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Why no “no-fly zone” will be established over Syria

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Why no “no-fly zone” will be established over SyriaAlexey Sinitsyn, chief expert of the US-Azerbaijan Fund promote progress:


- It seems that the main Arab opponents of Assad, representing the self-righteous monarchies of the Persian Gulf, are deeply shocked by the swift attack of the Syrian government forces against the background of the frankly sluggish position of the US Department of State. Back in the spring, everyone in the Middle East was sure that the West was sending unequivocal signals about the opening of a “second front” in Syria, excuse me, of a “no-fly zone”, which, however, is one and the same. Now the West does not want a repetition of the Libyan scenario in Syria and the richest Sunni "kings of oil sands" have to look for confirmation of their hopes from transcendental sources. And already the Kuwaiti newspaper as-Seyassah, referring to a certain “great spiritual authority”, writes: “Very soon Obama will begin to supply modern weapons the Syrian opposition, along the Turkish border, will establish a no-fly zone - as the first step of the United States entering the war against Assad. ” Sorry, but the “great Authority” is clearly mistaken, although Washington knows that if Assad wins the “battle of all battles” for Allepo, then Damascus will approach the Geneva-2 conference with a full set of political trumps.

However, the fact is that the war in Syria has become the field of another exciting game - grinding the “political Islam” with the titanic efforts of the Sunnis and Shiites themselves. The Arab newspaper Al-Quds Al-Arabi claims that it was the American special services that lured two of their worst enemies, Al Qaeda and Hezbollah, into the Syrian trap so that they could fight each other in a mortal fight. Arab journalists, for the sake of importance, cite such a serious source of information as ... German intelligence. But this is not important, because even without the German BND, many experts came up with this “bright idea” - opening borders for jihadists at an early stage of the Syrian conflict by countries such as Turkey, Jordan and Lebanon, was pushed through by a “third force”. Only the many-sided American intelligence community can claim its role.

The goal is to attract the maximum number of Salafis to a geographically limited zone. It is behind them that the main beneficiaries of the “Arab spring”, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, are ready to export the ideology of “political Islam” to the whole Greater Middle East with all the resources. Now the richest Gulf states are “roofing” radical terrorist organizations that were previously controlled by the West by hand. Well, where, then, further, Jabhat al-Nusra, which is fighting in Syria - the creation of Prince Bandar, the head of the Directorate General of Intelligence of the Saudi kingdom - swears allegiance to Al-Qaeda. Here is another proof that a new unpredictable, passionate, unstructured force has arisen in the East, threatening all the good old political players with trouble: the USA, Israel, Russia, Iran, in the distant future - India, China, Central Asian countries, etc. Therefore, the “inevitable war” with Iran is postponed in the longest box, and in relations with Russia a new era of cooperation is opening up in the “fight against the terrorist threat”.

The Boston attack with the case of the Tsarnaev brothers arrived in a very opportune time. Of course, it was an explosion that changed the outlook of the Americans, who saw the Caucasian Salafis as knights of the anti-Kremlin revolution without fear and reproach. Now even such a “hawk” as Congressman Dana Rohrabacher - a clever “hawk”, who was his main speech writer on the Reagan team - calls for the closest cooperation between the special services of the United States and Russia. And do not remember the capture in Moscow of the unlucky "diplomat" from the CIA, Ryan Fogl. It is empty. This is not even winning a pawn in the geopolitical “Big Game” between Russia and the West, which never leaves the middle game-positional maneuvering stage. And, behold, the fact that the West finally surrendered Saakashvili with his idea of ​​turning Georgia into an anti-Russian Caucasian center is already a victim of a whole figure to Moscow.

So, in Syria, we have the “native” version of the war, if we consider that to be the uncompromising Sunni-Shiite confrontation. He has a lot of large areas to continue - Lebanon, Iraq, Bahrain. There are arenas and smaller. They will probably also play a bloody confessional drama, because the countries of "political Islam" have no place in the ranks of the old geopolitical players. But just do not think that Assad will come out of this war as an absolute triumph. When the agony of all these “Jabhat al-Nusra”, “Liva al-Tawhid”, Al-Farouq and other brigades is over, the West will obviously provide real serious help to the “pro-democracy” anti-Assad forces, which will have to go to guerrilla war. But it will be later. And now the Sunni-Shiite round is at stake, in which both sides will lose heavily. As they say, RealPolitik and nothing personal.
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  1. biglow
    biglow 14 June 2013 17: 53 New
    +6
    If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 June 2013 18: 38 New
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      Quote: biglow
      Russia will then arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing


      Mr. smith is this verified information?
      1. cartridge
        cartridge 14 June 2013 23: 00 New
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        He climbed into the Web, to learn something about the author-expert. Here is what I found out.
        The author of the article, Alexei Sinitsyn, worked as a photographer in Baku in the late 80s and early 90s.
        There is no higher education, no military education. He did not serve in the army.
        He is listed as the chief expert in the US-Azerbaijan Progress Assistance Fund. This fund is headed by his daughter Sinitsyna Olga Alekseevna. The fund was registered in 2004 in Houston. The fund exists at the expense of funds allocated by the presidential administration of Azerbaijan. A daughter permanently living in the USA is an employer for dad and, in fact, contains an alternate airfield to receive dad, if suddenly the events in Azerbaijan do not go according to plan.
        The military expert of this fund is Alexander Vasyak, who wears epaulettes of the general of the Azerbaijani army. At first they tried to give out this Vasya as a Russian military expert, then as a Ukrainian one. Why I don’t know. The Armenians on one of their sites explain this: "Most likely, Vasyak, at heart, understands that being a general of the armed forces of Azerbaijan, I'm sorry, it's bad and not prestigious."
        In any case, Vasyak, as a rule, appears as an expert exclusively in the fund of the Pope and daughter of the Sinitsyns, and they, in turn, refer to Vasyak as a great expert to give credibility to their opuses.
        It is enough to type “Sinitsyn Vasyak” in the search engine “US-Azerbaijan Progress Assistance Fund” and a whole cloud of mentions of this duet will come out, where the cuckoo praises the cock for praising the cuckoo.
        Ultimately, believe what Sinitsyn publishes (as does the Sinitsyn family-owned US-Azerbaijan Progress Assistance Fund, as well as the Azerbaijani Major General Vasyak, as well as their website net-fax.org, as well as the linking site and the official Azerbaijani propaganda site aze.az) do not respect yourself.
        Conclusion: the article is nonsense written by a rogue.
        1. Che
          Che 14 June 2013 23: 58 New
          +2
          General Vasyak wassat It is something. When the USSR was destroyed, my friend left for Ukraine, he wanted to make a career there - a complete bummer. So it is visible here.
        2. dark_65
          dark_65 15 June 2013 07: 25 New
          +3
          Thanks for the info.
          And then in the photo there is such an "impressive uncle, straight Solzhenitsyn in thought"
    2. YARY
      YARY 14 June 2013 18: 55 New
      12
      The article is nonsense.
      Secondary is given out as the main thing. Thoughts as facts, But something is generally sucked out of the finger.
      1. Nick
        Nick 14 June 2013 21: 22 New
        +4
        Quote: Ardent
        Article-nonsense

        Well what are you ... Just a version ...
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 15 June 2013 01: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Ardent
        The article is nonsense. Secondary is given out as the main thing. Thoughts as facts, But something is completely drained from the finger.

        Although the material is stifling, I don’t quite understand the poise of the users.

        I myself put the article +. Since the main idea is indicated. I understand that many were confused by the ending, that the USA would support the “moderate” opposition, but this is a “second day” question. the basic idea is true, albeit with a stretch. Muslims slaughter each other and very successfully. Moreover, the war is expanding and it’s no longer worth talking about a single Muslim coalition against Israel.

        It is clear that there are many questions that have not been raised and unaccounted facts, but the fact that Shiites are killing Sunnis and vice versa is obvious. Who benefits from this? Yes, absolutely everyone.
        What I would not agree with is that after the defeat of the Islamists a new wave of "armed opposition" will rise from the ranks of more moderate Sunnis. This is fundamentally not a valid assumption. Since August 2012, foreign mercenaries have become the main driving force of the militants, which is 100% Islamists and “sympathizers”. After their defeat, even with limited NATO intervention, the "moderate" will not have enough strength, not only to win, but even to keep any areas. The Syrians themselves have already “drunk” this war and have not gone to the carrots from the USA.
        I would suggest that the second stage of the Shiite-Sunni confrontation will take place in another territory, most likely Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.
    3. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 18: 58 New
      +1
      Quote: biglow
      If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing

      Could you evaluate the potential of the Israeli Air Force based on open sources?
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 14 June 2013 20: 02 New
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        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Could you evaluate the potential of the Israeli Air Force based on open sources?

        Do not overestimate your strength, although Israel has a good army in that region, but it can’t stand the war with Russia alone and without external interference. But I consider this conflict unlikely.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 14 June 2013 20: 13 New
          +7
          Quote: Phantom Revolution

          Do not overestimate your strength, although Israel has a good army in that region, but it can’t stand the war with Russia alone and without external interference. But I consider this conflict unlikely.

          With RA, of course, can’t stand it. But with the expeditionary force if nuclear weapons are not used, then it’s completely.
          And to be honest, I also can’t imagine the situation when Russia attacks Israel.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko 14 June 2013 20: 59 New
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            Quote: Aaron Zawi
            And to be honest, I also can’t imagine the situation when Russia attacks Israel.


            When Israel once again imagines itself a mini-USA, to which everything is allowed in this life and bombed by air defense with Russian personnel.
            1. afire
              afire 14 June 2013 21: 51 New
              +3
              there will be targeted attacks on military infrastructure, but not across the country. have mercy on god
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 35 New
              -3
              All this, of course, is ingenious, and it’s great to wave hats - but how? The USSR did not even reach such a point, although Soviet advisers also destroyed Israeli pilots, and they — Soviet advisers. Purely technically - tell me how?
              1. Suhov
                Suhov 15 June 2013 00: 30 New
                +6
                Quote: Pimply
                Before this even the USSR did not reach

                Brute force! I, too, have found the standard of the measure of evil ...
                no
              2. nerd.su
                nerd.su 15 June 2013 01: 03 New
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                Quote: Pimply
                Purely technically - tell me how?

                I tell you how Russia delivers precision strikes, purely technically smile
                Challenged D * Artagnan Ilya of Murom for a duel. He comes to Ilya Aramis, draws a cross on his chest with chalk and says
                - It’s precisely at this point that Mr. D * Artagnan will kill you!
                “Oh, how ...,” said Ilya Muromets. “Alyosha, sprinkle chalk with this moss and give me my mace!”

                We now have the "Bulava" "Vladimir Monomakh" waving, so we ourselves are afraid! Look, it can give up on the idea in the direction of the Kura, and it will get pointwise to Israel. Yes, even mixed up, but they will launch a military missile! I mean with warheads repeat
                So, you’re somehow softer towards Syria, you don’t have to, you see, put yourself above the collective (UN).
          2. afire
            afire 14 June 2013 21: 49 New
            +1
            Quote: Aaron Zawi

            when Russia attacks Israel.

            such idiocy is clearly not going to happen, if there will be a makhych, then only after a clear definition of its inhabitants, for whom they play, and in their own way it turns out - no one will allow
        2. atalef
          atalef 14 June 2013 20: 18 New
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          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Do not overestimate your strength, although Israel has a good army in that region, but it can’t stand the war with Russia alone

          Good morning . There will be no war between Israel and Russia even theoretically and there is no need to fall into silly thoughts. There are no geopolitical differences between us and the intersection of interests that could lead to war. They can not be and never will be. Through chur in different planes we exist. Israel is a regional country, Russia is a world power.
          There is no such situation that Russia decides (since it would be completely bifurcated to think that Israel would declare war on Russia) for an open armed conflict.
          It’s like in nature, the ranges of aquatic predators do not intersect with carnivorous predators. And the declaration of war by tigers - like some perches - a silly fantasy.
          Russia will not fight for Syria with anyone, just as the United States will not send troops there.
          Both will help. but will not fit. But such a country as France, on the one hand, seems not to be small (and Russia will not trample on it). but on the other hand it’s not a world power --- it can afford it (like Turkey, by the way)
          Leave already Israel alone. to us, these Arab springs are worse than hamorrhoids.
          1. grandfather
            grandfather 14 June 2013 21: 56 New
            +8
            leave you Iran alone, aggression is already sick of it, let's live together
            1. atalef
              atalef 14 June 2013 22: 31 New
              0
              Quote: bearded
              leave you Iran alone, aggression is already sick of it, let's live together

              But who the hell is he for? He would leave us alone and let himself live. We have nothing to look for in Iran for sure.
              1. grandfather
                grandfather 15 June 2013 01: 22 New
                +3
                we won’t play the fool if you didn’t need Iran, few would know about it in the world now where it is located at all.
                and in Iran, the leaders will be smarter than the Israeli.
                and in general, Iran is politically scared, and Israel is actually killing people.
                think about it.
            2. Pimply
              Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 36 New
              -1
              With great pleasure. But Iran is not far behind.
          2. Babon
            Babon 14 June 2013 23: 18 New
            +3
            I want to answer you, all of you are talking, you are a world power, we will not answer you. But all the same, it expresses hostility from you. I have Jewish friends, none of them will go to Israel, they say they will be nobody there. They do not need Israel! Well, how to hear from you?
          3. atalef
            atalef 16 June 2013 13: 15 New
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            Russia will not fight for Syria with anyone, just as the United States will not send troops there.
            Both will help. but will not fit. But such a country as France, on the one hand, seems not to be small (and Russia will not trample on it). but on the other hand, and not a world power --- can afford it (

            I was right. Wait for the LAS troops in Syria with the support of France.

            On the evening of June 15, Egyptian President Mohammed Mursi spoke to crowds of Islamists at the Cairo stadium. Mursi made a number of important statements. He announced the severance of diplomatic relations with Syria, and the closure of the Syrian embassy in Egypt. Mursi said that an “Arab Islamic summit” will be held in the coming days, the main theme of which will be the situation in Syria and the fight against Hezbollah. At the same time, Syrian opposition resources spread the message that the King of Saudi Arabia decided to direct military intervention in Syria, with the support of French aviation. .
        3. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 June 2013 20: 20 New
          +3
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          But here the war with the Russian Federation can not stand alone and without external intervention.


          Do you think it will come to this?
        4. Bronis
          Bronis 14 June 2013 20: 21 New
          +5
          Quote: Phantom Revolution
          Israel has a good army in that region, but it can’t stand the war with Russia alone

          And the most interesting thing is that Russia is not able to arrange a full-scale war with Israel in view of the geography and current structure (not even the state) of the armed forces. So, this is not unlikely, but almost impossible.
          1. Gecko
            Gecko 14 June 2013 21: 02 New
            +7
            If desired, with cruise missiles, it can take out all the significant military infrastructure.
            1. Bronis
              Bronis 14 June 2013 21: 27 New
              +2
              You mean the X-55?
          2. atalef
            atalef 14 June 2013 22: 35 New
            +1
            Quote: Bronis
            And the most interesting thing is that Russia is not able to arrange a full-scale war with Israel in view of geography and the current structure

            Well, Russia can arrange a full-scale war (with the use of nuclear weapons) to anyone. But with the use of conventional weapons only - only the United States, anyone, anywhere.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 54 New
              +9
              Quote: atalef
              But with the use of conventional weapons only - only the United States, anyone, anywhere.

              In addition to countries possessing nuclear weapons.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply 14 June 2013 23: 11 New
                0
                And with them too. I can remind you how completely conventional weapons the countries that own nuclear weapons fought. China-India, India-Pakistan, China-USSR
                1. Rink
                  Rink 14 June 2013 23: 38 New
                  +8
                  Quote: Pimply
                  I can remind you how completely conventional weapons the countries that own nuclear weapons fought. ... China-USSR

                  At the time of the aggravation of Soviet-Chinese relations, China did not possess nuclear weapons, and the USSR responded to aggression without exceeding the required level of force.
                2. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 47 New
                  +4
                  And who told you that we will not use nuclear weapons against American troops in the event of a collision with them? We are weaker now, and therefore we will be forced to do so.
                3. Che
                  Che 15 June 2013 00: 05 New
                  +6
                  Pimpled - because of Damansky Island? This is not a war, but a conflict. They gave the enemy brain, brought to their senses and dispersed. Yes, it seems like there was a "friendship".
            2. Bronis
              Bronis 15 June 2013 11: 32 New
              0
              Quote: atalef
              Well, a full-scale war (using nuclear weapons) Russia can arrange for anyone
              Technically, a nuclear strike (it can hardly be called a war) is possible. Legally, no, because Tzahal navryatli may threaten the existence of Russia. Well, using conventional weapons is difficult. Now they like to say that the whole infrastructure can also be destroyed by the Kyrgyz Republic. Can. But you need a lot of CDs and their carriers. And it is very, very expensive.
            3. Babon
              Babon 15 June 2013 12: 37 New
              +2
              conventional weapons

              So here I would argue. Only the U.S. thought of using a nuclear bomb. How in Iraq it sucks (Fallujah) immediately phosphorus bombs went, about cluster bombs, I think it's not even worth painting. The United States does not want to do just conventional weapons. It seems that the rules apply to everyone else, but not to the United States. And all the tactics of the Russian Armed Forces is based on repelling aggression from the outside. As in the old song, “We don’t need someone else’s land! But we won’t give our span!”
              I think that even discussing the conflict with Israel is groundless.
        5. afire
          afire 14 June 2013 21: 47 New
          +7
          What does it mean without external support?
          1) Israel alone will not get into an open confrontation with Russia.
          2) Whoever was with Israel at the same time against Russia-the bashing will be glorious and that I have great beliefs that we will see May 45 for the second time ....
          1. Pimply
            Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 37 New
            +2
            In Russia, too, they will not climb to confront Israel. Meaning?
        6. Pimply
          Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 33 New
          0
          Well, let's speculatively calculate how. Well, with the exception of a nuclear conflict.
      2. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 15 June 2013 01: 48 New
        +3
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Could you evaluate the potential of the Israeli Air Force based on open sources?

        And where does the Israeli Air Force?
        Russia will not fight with Israel, but Russian weapons can reduce the mood of the Jews. We need to understand who benefits from this confrontation? Well, the USA / Israel will try to establish a no-fly zone over a certain territory of Syria. Exactly without a UN mandate, and in the context of modern geopolitics, this is a very risky undertaking. If Syria has Russian air defense systems, even with all its potential, Israel and the United States will suffer significant losses. And what can they benefit? Will support Salafi fanatics? And how will the latter perceive this? The leaders are understandable, but a simple fanatical rabble? Are you sure that the Islamists, with the clear aggression of Israel against Syria, will not switch their attention from Assad to the Jews? And what will stop Assad from striking Israel, including using WMDs? Should he be cornered? Iran will strike one hundred percent on Israel and the US allies in the region. Is Israel ready for such a development of events and most importantly is it in its interests? But what if Iran already has something, maybe from North Korea?

        Israel has already made a colossal mistake by air raids. It was these attacks that led to the current situation in Syria, Iran and Hezbollah no longer doubt and fear. And if aggression intensifies, they will deliver a preemptive strike. However, in such a situation, only the USA will benefit, since American Jews will be forced to support their suffering brothers with their money, thereby financing the US military-industrial complex.
      3. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 15 June 2013 02: 44 New
        +4
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: biglow
        If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing

        Could you evaluate the potential of the Israeli Air Force based on open sources?


        It is approximately equal to the S-300 division ... if they don’t climb all at once, and 24 planes per call ... laughing
    4. Rink
      Rink 14 June 2013 19: 29 New
      +5
      Quote: biglow
      If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing

      ... even better - over America.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 14 June 2013 20: 00 New
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        Quote: Skating rink
        ... even better - over America.


        Hmmm! bully Military secrets can not be disclosed!
        1. afire
          afire 14 June 2013 21: 59 New
          +9
          no way .... noooooo
        2. pav-pon1972
          pav-pon1972 15 June 2013 00: 25 New
          +3
          It seems to me that if Anti-Syrian forces arrange a no-fly zone, in response, Iran will block the problems in the Persian and Oman gulfs, plus Hezbola will arrange some sort of "kak ... ku" in the Golan and on the border with Israel. Yes, and in Russia, China and the Kurdish "gifts" there. The initiative is now with Syria and its supporters. And do not forget, the same many Shiites in Jordan ... The people of Syria are tired and know that if they do not win, then they will die ...

          It is possible, for example, in the areas bordering Jordan, to conduct Iranian-Syrian-Chinese-Russian exercises with the suppression of the enemy’s air defense systems and fucking ... in the territory of Jordan. A bunch of options ....
    5. waisson
      waisson 14 June 2013 21: 29 New
      -3
      no one will arrange a rabbi of Israel said Moishe Volodya his
    6. Pimply
      Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 31 New
      -3
      Firstly - with what joy? And why exactly over Israel, and not over Turkey, Qatar or Saudi Arabia? Well, or France?
      Secondly - how? The Israeli Air Force is one of the largest in the world, and one of the most advanced.
      1. Rink
        Rink 14 June 2013 23: 32 New
        +3
        Quote: Pimply
        ... with what joy?...
        ... Israeli Air Force - one of the largest in the world, and one of the most advanced

        You yourself answered your question.
        That is why.
    7. Geisenberg
      Geisenberg 15 June 2013 02: 40 New
      +1
      Quote: biglow
      If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing


      No-fly zone = total bombardment of military targets. I misunderstood something, are we going to drive Israel into the Stone Age?
    8. serioga
      serioga 15 June 2013 09: 24 New
      +2
      A no-fly zone needs to be done over Qatar and Jordan, Saudi Arabia and all countries involved in this conflict
  2. serpentine fist
    serpentine fist 14 June 2013 18: 55 New
    22
    Assad has already passed several exams. The Battle of Allepo is another important GOS exam. there will still be electives, there may even be tails left. But by fall, Assad will catch up with the evil teachers of democracy. And the no-fly zone is a spray of saliva from despair.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 June 2013 20: 05 New
      10
      Quote: serpent-fist
      Assad has already passed several exams. The Battle of Allepo is another important GOS exam. there will be more electives there may even be tails left


      The cheat sheets on these exams would not have hurt Bashar al-Assad. The instructors and advisers with combat experience would be useful to these "cheat sheets".
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 14 June 2013 21: 04 New
        +2
        Quote: Hudo
        The cheat sheets on these exams would not have hurt Bashar al-Assad. The instructors and advisers with combat experience would be useful to these "cheat sheets".

        Looks like Alepo is just the beginning of the exam!
        The State Department wants to arrange on the territory of the University of Syria to arrange a fight between Sunnis and Shiites.
        Even sacrificed Saakashvili to attract us to his side
  3. piotr534
    piotr534 14 June 2013 18: 59 New
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    So far, the United States and Russia are playing positional games, either raising or lowering their tone. And this is already good, because at this time Bashar is doing his job pretty successfully. Well, we wish him good luck, let the Syrians quickly kill all this scum
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 14 June 2013 22: 46 New
      +4
      Quote: piotr534
      So far, the United States and Russia are playing positional games, either raising or lowering their tone. And this is already good, because at this time Bashar is doing his job pretty successfully. Well, we wish him good luck, let the Syrians quickly kill all this scum

      As they say, God forbid, or I involuntarily remember the parallels with Libya, there, too, dermocrats from all over the world did not climb until the troops of Qadafi besieged the last major stronghold of terrorists - Benghazi. And in Syria, the amers and the hedgehog with them moved suspiciously to the “mother of all battles,” as the battle for Aleppo Assad called. Is Aleppo the same Rubicon, followed by a no-fly zone and carpet bombing of defenseless people. If so, I hope our country will not sit back, it won’t do the same as with iPhone, standing aside and watching the fascist barbarians destroy the whole country, bringing it death and destruction for decades to come. Perhaps this is and will be a serious assessment of the maturity of our country after the collapse of the USSR, as the return of the Great Power on the world stage.
  4. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 19: 00 New
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    Our S-300s are clearly in the BDK in Tartus ... and they can be put into combat quickly ... the reason is the defense of our Navy Base and Russian citizens on the territory of Syria ... It is not in vain that our Navy squadron in the Mediterranean is paralyzing ... I’m thinking about the nuclear submarines too then near the bottom settled down .. In Armenia, the scanners deployed .. Then we will move to the US shores (the reason is the use of chemical weapons against the Indians! Chinganchkuk asked for help from Russia ... hehe
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 June 2013 19: 19 New
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      Quote: MIKHAN
      Our S-300s are clearly in the BDK in Tartus.


      I will send joyful news to my children. I will refer to Vitaly
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      2. MIKHAN
        MIKHAN 14 June 2013 19: 54 New
        -3
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Our S-300s are clearly in the BDK in Tartus.


        I will send joyful news to my children. I will refer to Vitaly

        Hello, pass it on !! and pass that the great strategist Vitaly covered the base .. laughing gee gee .. (pinned)
      3. atalef
        atalef 14 June 2013 22: 36 New
        0
        Quote: Vadivak
        Quote: MIKHAN
        Our S-300s are clearly in the BDK in Tartus.

        I will send joyful news to my children. I will refer to Vitaly

        And BDK, where? In tartus, he’s not there right now.
    2. evgen762
      evgen762 14 June 2013 22: 26 New
      0
      Excuse me, what submarines did you mean? Donskoy, 949 project with Granite, 945 (971) with torpedoes or Severodvinsk. About 941 and others .... I will not even write. For a moment, not 1983.
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  6. 128mgb
    128mgb 14 June 2013 19: 03 New
    +9
    Quote: biglow
    If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing

    Do not talk nonsense, Russia will not do that. But the United States can go vabank, at stake is the image .. cool peppers ,,.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 14 June 2013 21: 06 New
      +1
      Yes, for sure, because the USA imagines itself to be the gendarmes of the whole planet, who are allowed everything ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 14 June 2013 23: 36 New
        +1
        Yes, with what joy? Obama does not have a new presidential term, even if he wins a small beautiful victorious war. And again, they landed on Libya. They helped this scum, and they, in gratitude, defeated the consulate in Benghazi, killed the ambassador and with him three more suspiciously inflated boys. Remember my word, if Clintonshe can prevent anything from becoming the first president in history, this is the story in Benghazi - she was then secretary of state, and there is a demand for her. And to arrange a no-fly zone, or even leave axes costs money which in the budget of the country and so the deficit is not weak.
  7. Orik
    Orik 14 June 2013 19: 04 New
    +7
    Very, very bravura article, but there is no evidence of the promise. How will they bring down Syria, a question. There is no doubt that they will bring down for sure. Now the Americans are claiming the use of chemical weapons and begin deliveries of weapons.
    1. max73
      max73 14 June 2013 19: 20 New
      +3
      I agree ........ started to get nervous. for good reason it. I want to hope that Assad, the people and the army of the SAR will have enough will. on the "piano in the bushes" I also hope a little

      For the first time without warning Vadivak
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 14 June 2013 20: 33 New
        +3
        Quote: Orik
        Very very bravura article
        I’ll add, taken from the NET-FAX resource, and this is the information shout “Amer.-az. fund la-la-la ...” registered in Houston, Texas, USA. bully The author’s thought that the kingdoms of the Gulf “got rid of” and got out of US control, the wise American intelligence lured all the forces of evil to Syria and now there is an amazing chance to deal with them together and most importantly to whom: “The USA, Israel, Russia, Iran, in distant future - India, China, Central Asian countries, etc. "
    2. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 June 2013 00: 25 New
      +5
      Quote: Orik
      Now the Americans are claiming the use of chemical weapons and begin deliveries of weapons.

      Ava Nimitz entered the Mediterranean Sea. The aircraft carrier Theodore Roosevelt, which participated in the fighting against Iraq in January 1991, consisted of 78 aircraft (20 F 14 Tomcat, 19 F / A 18 Hornet, 18 A 6E Intruder) 6B Proler, four E 2C Hokai, eight S 3B Viking and four KA 6D), as well as six SH 60H helicopters.
      It and the Israeli aviation, apparently, will be entrusted with the task of ensuring a "no-fly" zone. And here is an ambush: it is one thing to bring down an Israeli, another is to overwhelm an American. This will immediately become the reason for the full-scale aggression of NATO. Then you can imagine for yourself.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 June 2013 00: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: BoA KAA
        It and the Israeli aviation, apparently, will be entrusted with the task of ensuring a "no-fly" zone.

        The Israelis themselves will not climb, and it will never occur to anyone to attract them.
        The participation of Israel is a huge trump card in the hands of Assad.

        In addition, this is a direct violation of the ceasefire, which you should not even try to justify with the right to self-defense
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 15 June 2013 00: 59 New
          +2
          Quote: Spade

          The Israelis themselves will not climb, and it will never occur to anyone to attract them.
          The participation of Israel is a huge trump card in the hands of Assad.

          That's it, let everyone remember how the Americans twisted their hands to Israel in 1991, so that he would not respond to shelling from Iraq.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 01: 18 New
            +3
            Not everyone understands that for the public there, the help of Israel is like a black mark.
  8. atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 19: 20 New
    +9
    I believe that a no-fly zone will not be established, it’s like a red rag for Russia and no one will tease it, because by the advent of so many years, it’s clear that an unmanned zone = Assad’s measured death. Russia will not allow this to happen, so I think they’ll start from deliveries about advanced weapons, primarily disgusting tank ones, then having trained * loyal "fighters to trust the park for some time, combined this with sabotage methods of incapacitating the air force (or infrastructure). The war will simply be delayed at least until the fall of winter, and in winter our weather is vile and not always flying (at the right time) It seems to me that now the war is coming to a climax, the Arabs and the West will not allow Assad to fall behind in power. Therefore, the war does not end, it is only just beginning
    1. FATEMOGAN
      FATEMOGAN 14 June 2013 23: 09 New
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      I believe that a no-fly zone will not be established, it’s like a red rag for Russia and no one will tease it

      I do not agree, especially since the US military proposed to introduce a partial (25 miles in depth) no-fly zone near the border with Jordan. Such a measure will allow unimpeded entry into Syria through Jordan of weapons, ammunition and the militants themselves. Let me remind you that military exercises are currently taking place in Jordan, during which almost 5 US troops, fighter jets and air defense systems were transferred there. And as Assad takes Aleppo, and then the north of the country under full control, Iraq is blocking the east, only Jordan will remain, so it is quite possible to establish an unmanned zone, otherwise their borada will turn out to be spiders in the bank, where they will be slammed.
      And about teasing Russia, so in my opinion, the Amers developed such addictive euphoria about their absolute permissiveness and impunity that without a good "bream" they are unlikely to leave their beaten-up gangster path. So, the main battle in front, that's for sure.
    2. Babon
      Babon 15 June 2013 20: 03 New
      0
      I would like to clarify. "loyal" fighters, just do not think of selling these weapons to Iran? It may be easier to send 1000 RPG-7 to Syria and 10 soldiers. than advanced weapons? They shoot not only at tanks. And so the rustle is normally brought about, even without advanced weapons.
  9. omsbon
    omsbon 14 June 2013 19: 21 New
    17
    The smell of a great war is getting stronger.
    To establish a no-fly zone over Syria, without the participation of Israel, is very problematic. For some reason, it seems to me that Israel has enough Jewish wisdom not to flattery this dirty business. The escalation of the war may well spread to their territory.
    1. Gecko
      Gecko 14 June 2013 21: 09 New
      +3
      They have already flown and more than once ...
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 14 June 2013 21: 15 New
        +4
        Quote: gecko
        They have already flown and more than once ...


        A clay jug will be used to walk on water, to be beaten. (proverb)
    2. Pimply
      Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 39 New
      0
      Why is it problematic? Have you seen the state of the Air Force SA, France and Turkey?
  10. Black
    Black 14 June 2013 19: 26 New
    +6
    Expert, US-Azerbaijan Progress Support Fund !!!!
    Oh how !!! Is it a sentence or a voluntary ????
    Article - minus! Tolkien and Germans! Political roman!
    1. mansur
      mansur 14 June 2013 20: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: Chen
      Expert, US-Azerbaijan Progress Support Fund !!!!

      At least one person paid attention to this - guys, let him go and leave his brilliant and clever thoughts either in America or Azerbaijan
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  12. atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 19: 32 New
    10
    Quote: omsbon
    To establish a no-fly zone over Syria, without the participation of Israel, is very problematic.

    No problem. Patriots + radar (one of the strongest in the BV _ already from Turkey. In Israel there are radars under the control of America, to bring a couple of ships to the coast. And in general that's all.
    But I can assure you that if a request is received from America to help with the radar coverage of Syria, no one will refuse. Although often, the participation of the Israeli armed forces in such messes will do more harm than good. because Assad’s main opponents are Arab countries, and open participation (or closed) will only complicate relations.
    The Arabs, after all, like-you can spread rot on each other. But here is a problem with Israel.
    Quote: omsbon
    The escalation of the war may well spread to their territory.

    Today, what Assad can save is some sort of mess with Israel (as a factor in uniting the people) Therefore, when it becomes completely worthless (Assad will have nothing to lose), the likelihood of armed conflict in the Golan will increase significantly.
  13. biglow
    biglow 14 June 2013 19: 32 New
    +3
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    Quote: biglow
    If the Americans want to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, then Russia will arrange a no-fly zone over Israel and then we will be on equal footing

    Could you evaluate the potential of the Israeli Air Force based on open sources?

    and you think that Russia will abandon Syria, it is unlikely, This is a matter of principle for Putin, there is no turning back.
    If Israel gets involved in this conflict without thinking about the consequences, then the consequences will not think for it ..
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 14 June 2013 19: 40 New
      +4
      Quote: biglow
      and you think that Russia will abandon Syria, it is unlikely, This is a matter of principle for Putin, there is no turning back.


      It is not clear, it can be simpler, namely, what will the leadership of our country do in your opinion?
      1. biglow
        biglow 14 June 2013 20: 20 New
        +3
        supply of heavy weapons to Syria, sending volunteers, open sending military. specialists, etc. There are always options. There is an experience of war in this region ..
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 14 June 2013 22: 13 New
          +5
          Quote: biglow
          supply of heavy weapons to Syria, sending volunteers, open sending military. specialists and so on. There are always options


          I get it now.

          Quote: biglow
          The experience of war in this region is


          It was. Veterans are already pensioners, and some left the kingdom to them heaven
    2. atalef
      atalef 14 June 2013 19: 45 New
      +2
      Quote: biglow
      If Israel gets drawn into this conflict without thinking about the consequences

      Israel will be drawn into this conflict (more precisely, the conflict will be new, because there is nothing in common between the SAS and Israel) in two cases.
      1. Attack of the Syrian troops
      2. The transfer of weapons to Hezbollah and the response to the bombing of the Syrian armed forces.
      There is no other.
      1. Andrew-001
        Andrew-001 14 June 2013 21: 33 New
        +4
        A little higher, you called a completely different (and in my opinion decisive for Israel) case:
        Quote: atalef
        But I can assure you, if a request comes from America to help with the radar coverage of Syria, no one will refuse.

        and if Obama asks Benya, then Benya himself will find weapons for Hezbollah, and he will organize an attack by the Syrian troops on Eilat.
        1. atalef
          atalef 14 June 2013 21: 39 New
          +1
          Quote: Andrew-001
          and if Obama asks Benya, then Benya himself will find weapons for Hezbollah, and he will organize an attack by the Syrian troops on Eilat.

          Well, yes, and the people here are stupid and do not understand anything. And how can he then be re-elected? Obama asks for a lot of things and far from always tricks, and this request is the height of stupidity. To drag Israel into conflict is what Assad wants.
          People here generally about Syria on the drum. The worse that the fact that the better.
          1. Andrew-001
            Andrew-001 14 June 2013 22: 52 New
            +4
            Your people are not stupid hi But politicians and people are still different concepts.
            As for "how will he be re-elected" - so a small victorious war adds rating.
            And I think that Assad just did not want to draw Izyu into the conflict - the calm southern border will bring more advantages than playing on the Arab dislike in Israel. But here is the leadership of your country, joyfully assenting to the minke whales, just actively actively drawn into this conflict.
            And all that I said was not reproached to you (what would you have lived up to 120 years), but my idea of ​​the situation.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply 14 June 2013 22: 41 New
          +1
          Beni and Obama have a difficult relationship. To start.
          Secondly, given the possible political consequences for Beni, this alignment is unrealistic.
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  15. Stock captain
    Stock captain 14 June 2013 19: 39 New
    14
    The Americans understand only the language of power until there is direct and proven assistance to Syria, be it the S-300, the Mediterranean squadron, the direct and voiced position of Russia — they wanted to spit on us.
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 June 2013 19: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Stock Captain
      The Americans understand only the language of power until there is direct and proven assistance to Syria, be it the S-300, the Mediterranean squadron, the direct and voiced position of Russia — they wanted to spit on us.

      Nonsense, up to 3 days ago, America’s participation in the war in Syria, compared to the Arab countries, Turkey and France --- was, if not zero, then tending to zero.
      1. Gecko
        Gecko 14 June 2013 21: 13 New
        +2
        These were, as always, excuses for diverting eyes and lulling vigilance, as America would refuse another mess to not participate and not play muscle in public ...
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  17. andrei332809
    andrei332809 14 June 2013 19: 45 New
    +5
    I don’t know, I don’t know ... that’s behind the scenes categorically declared that Assad uses chemical weapons. And it doesn’t matter, which is unproven. so let’s see, either Lavrov will “regret” the wrong policy of the West (which will mean bending over), or Russia will really be able and will do everything to repel the ghouls
  18. Dawn
    Dawn 14 June 2013 19: 56 New
    0
    It will be difficult for the Yankees to establish a no-fly zone over Syria, especially over Our squadron in Tartus laughing
  19. atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 20: 00 New
    +2
    In general, in addition to the radar coverage, the zone needs to be stupidly patrolled (if we recall the no-fly zones of Libya, Yugoslavia, Iraq).
    From Israel - it is excluded, Israel will not be involved in this matter. The zone in general can only be in the North (continuous deserts in the south. The North is primarily the border with Turkey) Jordan - the south - does not fit. Iraq (east 0 Iraq will not fit, Remains either aircraft carriers or Turkey. Turkish Air Force will provide this zone without any problems.
    What Russia will do with Turkey in this case is nothing. We put a fat point on this.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 15 June 2013 06: 17 New
      0
      You don’t even need to patrol. In Turkey, SAM Patriot deployed. Of course not the S-300, but 160 km from the Turkish border. Especially since Assad has more and more old MIG-21 and MIG-23, and even those few MIG-29s that also have not the latest modifications, so the Turks will cope with them.
      I really hope that Obama and others who want to help Islamize (oh, what was it? I had to “democratize”, otherwise it would be politically incorrect) Syria has the wisdom not to deliver MANPADS to these “democracy fighters”. Then the Stingers put the fools to the Afghan dushmans, and then they tried to buy them back at a frantic price, but they still missed many. I remember several times the NATO helicopters rattled in Afghanistan for reasons not yet clarified. Give these bandits in the hands of MANPADS, and go and then know where, when, and for whom they are naughty.
  20. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 20: 04 New
    +5
    The United States will clearly provoke another massacre .. Liked it first in Yugoslavia and then in Libya Iraq .. you fly the bomb with impunity .. The whole world failed with your worthless papers .. And the most annoying thing is that we also sponsor their military-industrial complex keeping our stabilization fund in banks and treasury US papers..and many countries of the world have to do it ....
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 June 2013 20: 07 New
      +7
      Quote: MIKHAN
      US clearly provokes another massacre


      God forbid that this time the striped ones should get out without salty slurping.
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  22. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 20: 20 New
    0
    I apologize .. that something is interrupted by my comments zadrativaetsya..delete if possible ..
  23. Max otto
    Max otto 14 June 2013 20: 25 New
    +6
    This is all water, and the facts are as follows: the F-16 is already in Jordan, the Marines of the DI Dostanskaya are also there, but about the S-300 there are only bazaars, whether they are there or are going there. Russia chews all the snot, and the enemy is already 2 moves ahead. These are the conclusions.
  24. Rumata
    Rumata 14 June 2013 20: 26 New
    -3
    And such news began to appear -
    According to the daily Al-Ahbar daily in Beirut, Lebanon’s capital, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad plans to open a “resistance” front to Israel in the Golan Heights, believing that such a move could unite the people and various opposition groups around the country's authorities. Assad already has a detailed plan for creating such a front, Al-Akhbar reports. According to the newspaper, his activities will be similar to those of the Shiite terrorist group Hezbollah in southern Lebanon.
    http://9tv.co.il/news/2013/06/14/152646.html

    True or not, it’s not known, but if Assad decides on something like that, then Israel will provide a no-fly zone on Syria ...

    It’s interesting if this is actually being discussed, Assad is considering this option seriously or trying to increase domestic support by arranging such “leaks”
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 June 2013 21: 13 New
      +7
      Quote: Rumata
      but if Assad decides on something like that, then Israel will provide a no-fly zone on Syria ...


      No matter how the overseas owners leaked the installer of the no-fly zones, as the Georgian Tsar Galstukoshvili had at one time. Wishing to put you in a pose of a deer on the hood of the Volga GAZ-21 - a dime a dozen.
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 15 June 2013 05: 52 New
        -1
        Quote: Hudo
        No matter how the overseas owners merged the installer of the no-fly zones, as the Georgian Tsar Galstukoshvili had at one time. Wishing to put you in a pose of a deer on the hood of the Volga GAZ-21 - a dime a dozen.


  25. GEO
    GEO 14 June 2013 20: 27 New
    +1
    the author began for health, finished for repose. article -
  26. homosum20
    homosum20 14 June 2013 20: 28 New
    +1
    A set of words.
  27. Grbear
    Grbear 14 June 2013 20: 28 New
    +2
    Whether the no-fly zone or the S-300 will be deployed are events of the same order and one plane. Namely, the external manifestation of political movements.

    The author of the article says something else. The USA and K (and Moscow too) are solving a parallel problem - weakening of Islamas a political player. Moreover, it does not matter the name Shiite, Sunni, Alafi, or anyone else. It is important that they crush each other more and become more accommodating and accommodating. So this war, for now, suits many.
  28. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 20: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Hudo
    Quote: MIKHAN
    US clearly provokes another massacre


    God forbid that this time the striped ones should get out without salty slurping.

    I also hope for this ... but it is unlikely that the world crisis with these green pieces of paper and offensive weapons has accumulated a lot of old things, you need to throw them off and recapture the new one .. Bleed them from ... to China ... let them wet each other just not nuclear weapons .. Of course .. We would have won time .. VPK raised ..
  29. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 14 June 2013 20: 36 New
    -4
    Put a couple of S-400 divisions and close this topic forever.
  30. Enot-poloskun
    Enot-poloskun 14 June 2013 20: 38 New
    +5
    Chemical weapons in Syria?

    It stinks from the "rebels" there when their government forces are grinding!
  31. sevtrash
    sevtrash 14 June 2013 20: 55 New
    -1
    If the Americans really realized all or partially predicted - well done, you can’t say anything. The Soviet Union collapsed, the Arabs staged a revolution, and what will China arrange?
    Here's how to work, you need to learn.
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 June 2013 21: 19 New
      +5
      Quote: sevtrash
      and what will China arrange?


      Tried in Tiananmen Square. It will be difficult for fools to collect a second time.
    2. mihasik
      mihasik 14 June 2013 21: 48 New
      +8
      And you and I are "suckers" because we sold a huge country for chewing gum and Coca-Cola. Although how else to deal with flawed. It’s like in a movie - the devil bought souls for desires ... So these are not good fellows, but we are Judas in relation to our common former Motherland!
  32. knn54
    knn54 14 June 2013 21: 10 New
    +2
    “However, the fact is that the war in Syria has become the field of another fascinating game - the grinding of“ political Islam ”by the titanic efforts of the Sunnis and Shiites themselves.
    Islamic Shiite radicals, on the one hand, and Al Qaeda, Sunni radicals, on the other, purposefully kill each other. The longer the better. This is the war with radical Islam in the West. And what kind of Caliphate can it be?
    -Therefore, the "inevitable war" with Iran is being put into the longest drawer ...
    While in Syria, Assad - Iran will not be attacked. Otherwise, a second front in the Golan region, and Syrian air defense will not let Israeli planes bomb Iran.
    “... who will have to go over to the partisan war.”
    Partisan war without the support of the population is doomed.
    -atalef: What Russia will do with Turkey in this case is nothing.
    A couple of three harmless explosions in the resort area of ​​Turkey is quite enough. Do not forget the Kurds, Dashnaks, Shiites and just "protectors of nature" ...
    PS And the declaration of a “no-fly” zone over Syria today is actually equivalent to declaring war on Russia. Then immediately the C-300 was on combat duty. Otherwise, it will be akin to the surrender of the Russian Federation.
    PP.S NATO will not get involved in the war: as the war in Libya showed, the victory of the coalition was not brought by bombing, ideology or planning. A Bribe and betrayal. In Syria, this did not pass.
  33. atalef
    atalef 14 June 2013 21: 19 New
    -1
    Quote: knn54
    A couple of three harmless explosions in the resort area of ​​Turkey is quite enough. Do not forget the Kurds, Dashnaks, Shiites and just "protectors of nature."

    In fact, it is much easier for Russia to introduce visas with Turkey and freeze projects. Only Syria, with all its giblets, is not worth the annual turnover between Turkey and Russia. And the introduction of visas will lead to the fact that the Russians are accustomed to the Turkish resorts and * All inclusive * Tear the Kremlin to pieces.
    Quote: knn54
    And the declaration of a “no-fly” zone over Syria today is actually equivalent to declaring war on Russia

    ????????
    Only the Soviet Union can declare a no-fly zone - and Russia has a veto there. Or Turkey (at its discretion) because it’s its border (which is de facto an announcement of the half-war of Syria), what Russia will do - again nothing. because Russia's interests in Turkey are much more important than the Syrian ones. But you understand, this does not happen from the bay-floundering. Before this there will be a long diplomatic war, and if they don’t agree, then everything can be.

    Quote: knn54
    as the war in Libya showed, coalition victory was not brought by bombing, ideology or planning. A Bribe and betrayal. In Syria, this did not pass.

    Blessed is he who believes.
    You do not know the situation. and judge by it only on the News of the first channel.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 14 June 2013 21: 50 New
      +5
      Quote: atalef
      Or Turkey (at its discretion) because this is its border (which is de facto a declaration of the half-war of Syria)

      This is the beginning of the de jure war. Turkey has the right to introduce a no-fly zone only over its territory, everything else is an act of aggression. And a violation of international law.
      1. atalef
        atalef 14 June 2013 21: 57 New
        +1
        Quote: Spade
        This is the beginning of the de jure war.

        You know, de facto neither Turkey nor Syria will want a war (since she has no chance at all in this matter)
        Turkey will grind Syria in 2 weeks (or less)
        And the preservation of the enclave at the border. with the subsequent development and separation of the Alawites into autonomy with guarantees - it is quite realistic

        Quote: Spade
        everything else is an act of aggression

        Of course, and?
        Georgia twitched for a long time. when peacekeepers entered Abkhazia and Ossetia (by the way, without the UN mandate)

        Quote: Spade
        And a violation of international law.

        You just got it now. What does the stronger have more rights, or what? And who will Assad complain about? In Sov. Without. UN Do you know what the veto is?
        1. RA77
          RA77 14 June 2013 22: 32 New
          +1
          Quote: atalef
          You know - de facto war will not want neither Turkey nor Syria

          And on a more global scale, everyone wants war! Everyone has already gotten this creeping economic crisis and many in their hearts want a big mess in number III. Although they understand that this is a terrible thing ((
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 14 June 2013 22: 33 New
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          You know - de facto war will not want neither Turkey nor Syria

          However, this will be an act of aggression, to which the UN Security Council will be required to respond.

          Quote: atalef
          Turkey will grind Syria in 2 weeks (or less)

          Is not a fact. Turkey does not have weapons of mass destruction, but Syria has. And the Syrians made it clear that they would use it in the event of external aggression.

          Quote: atalef
          Georgia twitched for a long time. when peacekeepers entered Abkhazia and Ossetia (by the way, without the UN mandate)

          Peacekeepers entered with the consent of Georgia.
          Troops forcing peace - in accordance with Russia's right to self-defense. It was not necessary to shoot these stupid for peacekeepers.

          Quote: atalef
          And who will Assad complain about? In Sov. Without. UN

          Exactly there. It doesn’t work out, it starts to shoot down Turkish planes, the Syrians do it well.
          1. atalef
            atalef 14 June 2013 22: 49 New
            -5
            Quote: Spade
            However, this will be an act of aggression, to which the UN Security Council will be required to respond.

            They will react, at first they will consult for 5 days, and then (if Russia persists) will veto it. at least France. Just believe me, Russia will not tolerate a veto on its proposal. veto, it's like spreading the word on the spot (according to international concepts) therefore a balanced statement will be issued - On the concern about the situation
            Quote: Spade
            Is not a fact. Turkey does not have weapons of mass destruction, but Syria has. And the Syrians made it clear that they would use it in the event of external aggression.

            Well, you're a storyteller. Syria vs Turkey chemical weapons. Assad may decide to such stupidity, who will do it?

            Quote: Spade
            Peacekeepers entered with the consent of Georgia.

            Then why didn’t they infringe after repeated requests?

            Quote: Spade
            It was not necessary to shoot these stupid for peacekeepers.

            it's certainly stupid to shoot peacekeepers. only the Austrians left (from the Golan), and the Russians remained (having torn Abkhazia and Ossetia)
            Therefore, let us not call the forces located in Georgia peacekeepers for a simple reason. We went in without a UN mandate, did not leave at the request of a legitimate government, and took an active part in hostilities. Call it anything, not peacekeepers.

            Quote: Spade
            Exactly there. It doesn’t work out, it starts to shoot down Turkish planes, the Syrians do it well.

            Blessed is he who believes.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 14 June 2013 23: 15 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Well, you're a storyteller. Syria vs Turkey chemical weapons. Assad may decide to such stupidity, who will do it?

              His guys will apply. In their incredible stupidity, the US authorities, using the example of Iraq, showed that you can’t give up. And the examples of Egypt and Libya only confirmed this.

              Quote: atalef
              Then why didn’t they infringe after repeated requests?

              Game to the public. And all were aware of this. One vote in the Georgian parliament on the denunciation of the treaty, and after half a year, not a single peacekeeper in South Ossetia or Abkhazia.
              And you probably listened to the news from Georgia and thought: "The Russians do not want to leave, although the Georgians demand"?

              Quote: atalef
              it's certainly stupid to shoot peacekeepers. only the Austrians left (from the Golan), and the Russians remained

              Because our peacekeepers do their duty even in case of danger. And some act like in Srebrenica. Or like the Austrians.

              Quote: atalef
              Therefore, let us not call the forces located in Georgia peacekeepers for a simple reason. We went without a UN mandate

              The mission was recognized as peacekeeping and monitored by the UN. Once every half a year a report on the situation in the Security Council.

              Quote: atalef
              did not leave at the request of a legitimate government

              There was no legally binding request.

              Quote: atalef
              took an active part in the hostilities.

              We used weapons for self-defense. They had a complete right.

              Quote: atalef
              Call it anything, not peacekeepers.

              Peacekeepers. The peacekeeping mission officially recognized by the international community.

              Quote: atalef
              Blessed is he who believes.

              You didn’t oversleep the downed Turkish plane?
            2. mihasik
              mihasik 15 June 2013 02: 23 New
              +3
              Have you already forgotten whose peacekeepers they ruined in South Abkhazia ?! Or do you think that these are justifiable losses? So let's spread our relatives in Israel and say that these are justifiable losses ...
    2. fisherman
      fisherman 14 June 2013 22: 07 New
      +5
      that Russians are used to Turkish resorts and * All inclusive * Tear the Kremlin to pieces.


      finally found real opposition to the Kremlin :)))
    3. nerd.su
      nerd.su 15 June 2013 00: 01 New
      +1
      Quote: atalef
      Only the Soviet Union can declare a no-fly zone - and Russia has a veto there.

      Something in Iraq without a zone for more than 10 years without the UN Security Council kept. And no one vetoed.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 15 June 2013 00: 06 New
        +1
        Formally, they referred to the decision of the Security Council. By the way, these zones suffered the most from their own. 26 people in two UH-60 helicopters shot down by mistake
        1. nerd.su
          nerd.su 15 June 2013 00: 37 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          Formally, they referred to the decision of the Security Council

          Formally, there was no such decision. However, formally and in Libya, the no-fly zone was very widely interpreted. Who is stronger, that and the law interprets more correctly.
          Or believe in the international tribunal over Obama and Sarkozy?

          Quote: Spade
          By the way, these zones suffered the most from their own.

          Well, these were UN mission helicopters. His with a reservation.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 15 June 2013 00: 52 New
            0
            At least they created the appearance of legality.
            1. nerd.su
              nerd.su 15 June 2013 01: 09 New
              +3
              Quote: Spade
              At least they created the appearance of legality.

              Hitler also created the appearance of legality. However, he preferred to poison himself rather than sue ...
              That's just no one now American fascism at the beginning of the road to stop. Again we have to fight when he is at the zenith.
  34. waisson
    waisson 14 June 2013 21: 32 New
    0
    offensively annoying but Syria we seem to be slip ...... m
    1. Hudo
      Hudo 14 June 2013 22: 27 New
      +4
      Quote: waisson
      offensively annoying but Syria we seem to be slip ...... m


      Sprinkle your head with ash early.
  35. mihasik
    mihasik 14 June 2013 21: 32 New
    +1
    I think that there will be no no-fly zone. If all of a sudden you decide, it will be the beginning of the Third World War. Why? Because there is our military base. And if the NATO itself will try not to get into ours, then others will do it under the guise of NATO to create a prince. And then it will begin. I note that there has never been a direct (official) military conflict between NATO, the USA and the USSR (Russia), because everyone understood - this is the beginning of the end!
    1. atalef
      atalef 14 June 2013 21: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: mihasik
      Why? Because there is our military base.

      Base - loudly said. Point MTOiS

      Quote: mihasik
      this will be the beginning of the third world.

      There will be no

      Quote: mihasik
      Why?

      Because because of Syria it will not start.
      1. RA77
        RA77 14 June 2013 22: 13 New
        +2
        atalef,

        If someone craps around the base (NATO or xs who, it doesn’t matter), this will be a weighty slap in the face of Russia, and it’s all the same in what country this happened. It may well reach the war.
        1. mihasik
          mihasik 14 June 2013 23: 20 New
          0
          Here I am just about it. Therefore, there will be another confrontation at the level of supplies and mercenaries ...
      2. mihasik
        mihasik 14 June 2013 23: 02 New
        0
        So what? There are no our military there? If your MTO bomb you just cry for your own and that's it?)) There will be no continuation?))
      3. mihasik
        mihasik 15 June 2013 01: 45 New
        -2
        I feel sorry for you, there are half of our Jews. Although they left, we consider them to be our own (unlike amers). Nobody will bomb "their" ones. So you do not spit in the well! If you follow the policy of Libya, there are no partners for a long time. Will have to be wet as traitors .... sorry. So sorry, but family ties are ending ....
  36. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 14 June 2013 21: 34 New
    0
    and that the base in Tartus doesn’t mean what? there while ours stand here is more like moving pawns on a chessboard
  37. fisherman
    fisherman 14 June 2013 21: 50 New
    0
    At the moment, a significant preponderance of power and control of the Syrian government. and this advantage must be maintained. Amer and der .. democrats are doing everything possible so that this advantage passes to them. You can’t give up positions. If Russia has to put s-300, then let it deliver as soon as possible. and it’s not bad that aviation and technology could be adapted to them. maybe only then will it be possible to stop the invasion. Porabi will put them in their place once and for all. We all must understand that this chaos will not stop in Syria.
  38. RUS-36
    RUS-36 14 June 2013 22: 06 New
    -4
    Lately, Russia has only talked about helping Syria, and only ... the USA, Israel, Turkey and other mischiefmakers actually drink blood from the Syrian people, and Russia is breeding demagogy, and what’s wrong, the United States will throw weapons to terrorists, and Russia will not throw ANYTHING The Syrian LEGAL government on this vile step of the USA, Bari Alibasova with a concert if only.
    1. xan
      xan 14 June 2013 22: 23 New
      +5
      Quote: RUS-36
      Recently, Russia has only talked about helping Syria and only ...

      Yeah, does nothing.
      BDK just so back and forth.
    2. RA77
      RA77 14 June 2013 22: 24 New
      +3
      Russia helps with weapons. All these BDK that go to the Mediterranean Sea, 99% carry weapons to Assad. Here in the news I even read somewhere that the last victories of Assad’s army are nekt. They connect it with the supply of this very weapon from Russia.
      As for the S-300, I myself am disgusted by how the top of Russia behaves. Like women, by golly! We will deliver, then we will not deliver. But on the other hand, it is clear that Russia wants to achieve its goals (so that Israel would stop attacking the territory of Syria) without deliveries of the S-300 to Syria. And it is right.
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  39. Gecko
    Gecko 14 June 2013 22: 20 New
    0
    Syria desperately needs the installation of volley fire "Tornado" can also be "Solntsepek", then cleansing the territory will go many times faster.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 15 June 2013 01: 29 New
      +4
      Quote: gecko
      Syria desperately needs the installation of volley fire "Tornado" can also be "Solntsepek", then cleansing the territory will go many times faster.

      RZSO will not be used in the city with civilians, among whom are terrorist rebels, mercenaries. For this will allow the States and K * to accuse Assad of disproportionate use of force, the genocide of his own people, a crime against humanity, etc. It will also be an occasion and justification for the intervention "for the sake of saving the innocent victims of the bloody regime."
  40. Vladomir
    Vladomir 14 June 2013 22: 28 New
    +1
    The American "hawks" McCain .... press on all the gas. The smell of beaten "rebels" was mistaken for chemical weapons. Even if there are certain agreements between Putin and Obama on Syria, the "hawks" of the USA, England ... no matter what. Looks like a lot is at stake, both for the Anglo-Saxons and for Russia. Plus elections in Iran and their consequences. For some reason, China abruptly backed up Syria, although at first Russia and China acted jointly in the UN Security Council. Turkey was frightened by another Arab "spring" due to its weak activity in the war with Syria. The CIA reported that three Russian ships in pairs are sailing into the eastern Mediterranean in addition to the Russian squadron there. A certain status quo should be fixed for the conference on Syria, and each side will force its own vision of the problem.
  41. darksoul
    darksoul 14 June 2013 22: 28 New
    +1
    You can guess as much as you like ... time will decide everything ... remember the impudent behavior of Georgia, the United States in 2008 .. did they think that Russia would decide on a full-scale war in the region .... scattered in the trash in 5 days, even many of us were surprised decisiveness ... honestly, I myself thought that the Ossetians, like the Yugoslavs, would be stupidly merged .... as they say, wait and see
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 15 June 2013 02: 57 New
      -1
      Yugoslavs are not merged. Remember the breakthrough of our airborne. So the Hungarians didn’t miss ... And the fleet in Middle-earth wasn’t ready for political “persuasion” and we were spread rot by whores from the British Navy putting our sailors in cancer without any UN sanctions landing from helicopters transporting grain to (at that time they shared loot and territories ) and this is the most GOOD, licking a point on the stinking ass of the Jewish gang of the United States! And our alcoholic (Bruise) drank everything at that time, as Khrushch sold Alaska and gave Crimea. So that they bastards in the coffin of Guantanamo dreamed !!!
  42. serpentine fist
    serpentine fist 14 June 2013 22: 56 New
    +3
    They want to provoke Russia to drive to the slaughter! Russia is doing the right thing, it is somewhere close to Syria, but not in Syria. There will be a game on the nerves, drooling, all sorts of resolutions, etc. etc. Assad's main thing is to establish control over Allepo and the sooner the better (only cats quickly ...) until Turkey has recovered from the unrest, has not opened its neo-Ottoman barrel organ.
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 14 June 2013 23: 31 New
      0
      Naturally provoke her. But we must rationally crush our line, so that we and our friends would be better off from it, and the enemies would haul their footcloths (socks)!)))
  43. pakfa-t-50
    pakfa-t-50 14 June 2013 22: 59 New
    0
    We are ready, as always,

    To defeat you without difficulty.
  44. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 23: 00 New
    0
    Quote: atalef
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: MIKHAN
    Our S-300s are clearly in the BDK in Tartus.

    I will send joyful news to my children. I will refer to Vitaly

    And BDK, where? In tartus, he’s not there right now.

    They sailed to the Israeli port .. hehe and straight from the deck will arrange an unmanned zone over Israel .. enough information ??
  45. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 14 June 2013 23: 11 New
    +2
    Attention, experts - the question is: why, by placing Patriots in Turkey, it is possible to create a threat to Syrian aviation while flying over its territory, and place similar S-300s in Syria so that they pose the same threat to Israeli aviation, a crime?
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 15 June 2013 02: 35 New
      0
      By the fact that this is not a NATO product))
  46. MIKHAN
    MIKHAN 14 June 2013 23: 30 New
    +1
    Quote: Kowalsky
    Attention, experts - the question is: why, by placing Patriots in Turkey, it is possible to create a threat to Syrian aviation while flying over its territory, and place similar S-300s in Syria so that they pose the same threat to Israeli aviation, a crime?

    Turkey is a NATO member in Syria, there is a war .. The effectiveness of air defense is primarily its secrecy .. The S-300 is a cool system .. mobile .. but in the desert it will not go far .. well if it is simply destroyed .. worse if it is dragged to Israel like in Egypt, our super-secret radar station from the Arabs from under the nose ... Here the special services should work (and they don’t work badly like ..) Syria’s air defense is not bad .. The S-300 is our trump card ... so far .. I’m thinking arrange an air show in Syria .. they have no choice .. (too many weapons accumulated ..) ..
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 15 June 2013 02: 01 New
      -2
      As far as I understand, in which case no one will protect Turkey. Try to convince me.
  47. soldier's grandson
    soldier's grandson 14 June 2013 23: 33 New
    +5
    Quote: Kowalsky
    Attention, experts - the question is: why, by placing Patriots in Turkey, it is possible to create a threat to Syrian aviation while flying over its territory, and place similar S-300s in Syria so that they pose the same threat to Israeli aviation, a crime?

    because the Jews are sitting in the Kremlin
  48. Kowalsky
    Kowalsky 15 June 2013 00: 57 New
    0
    Quote: soldier's grandson
    because the Jews are sitting in the Kremlin

    In my opinion, experts won :))
    1. mihasik
      mihasik 15 June 2013 01: 25 New
      0
      )))) I have a laugh before it starts. Then I will only regret ..
  49. Glory to Russia.
    Glory to Russia. 15 June 2013 01: 23 New
    +3
    I carefully read all the comments, to be honest, I don’t know what to say ...
    But personally, my vision of the situation, if Russia shows weakness, then the collapse is inevitable, probably everyone already understands that this is the beginning of the collapse of Russia. If, let Assad lose, the next Iran is unambiguous. From Iran, where will the refugees get to? And with them, the terrorists are silent. I don’t understand then our government, the whole people will not understand. Therefore, Russia needs to take a tough policy towards Syria, otherwise all and sundry will wipe their feet on Russia ....
  50. Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 15 June 2013 02: 47 New
    0
    And why is it minus? The person seems to have said everything in the case ...
    1. serpentine fist
      serpentine fist 15 June 2013 07: 31 New
      0
      Well, I don’t like you. wink