Shamanov spoke about the strengthening of the Airborne Forces before 2020.

The combat power of the Airborne Forces will be increased due to the formation of airborne assault and paratrooper regiments, new regiments will be formed before 2020, said Commander of the Airborne Forces of the Russian Federation Colonel-General Vladimir Shamanov.

"By the same date, it is planned to equip parts and formations with new weapons and military equipment at 70 percent and fully switch to contract service," Shamanov said at a meeting with military attaches of foreign powers on Tuesday, ITAR-TASS reports.

The headquarters of the Airborne Forces explained that it was a question of including in the current airborne assault and airborne divisions of the two-regiment composition of the third regiment, and each regiment should have an army company aviation and a unit for unmanned aerial vehicles.

Speaking about the prospects for the development of the Airborne Forces before 2025, the commander said that it was planned to switch to a mixed manning of airborne divisions, which would have three components - airborne, lightweight airborne, and airborne assault.

“The first of them is planned to be equipped with airborne combat vehicles capable of parachuting from military transport aircraft. It is planned to use such brigades at any continental theater of military operations, ”said Shamanov.

According to him, the light airborne component, represented by the relevant brigades, will be equipped with light armored combat vehicles on a wheelbase. This technique can be used in the mountains and urban environments.

The colonel-general emphasized that the brigades would participate in peacekeeping operations and local armed conflicts.

As for the promising airborne assault brigades, then, according to the commander, it is envisaged for them to supply promising airborne assault vehicles and other military equipment, unified with the equipment of the Ground Forces.

“These brigades are intended to carry out air assault operations both as part of a group of troops and independently,” Shamanov said.

30 May Shamanov spoke on the development prospects of the Airborne Forces at a meeting of the Defense Ministry board. After that, he told reporters that the Airborne Forces Command considers it necessary to have in the "winged infantry" formations army army units, unmanned aerial vehicles and An-2 aircraft.

Comments

[Vtel]

Moreover, each regiment should have a company of army aviation and a unit of unmanned aerial vehicles.

Anto shaw for the company of aviation and lope there vehicles on the nose. Interesting unfolding innovations that seem specialists.

[skeptic-]

Quote: Vtel

Anto shaw for the company of aviation and lope there vehicles on the nose. Interesting innovations unfold,

Their delivery vehicles, with the full development of landing and support. In the Air Force, as elsewhere - its own shirt is closer to the body. Need evacuation, or reinforcements, ammunition, and they have their own urgent tasks. As a result, unjustified losses. By lope there devices - in the army there is such a small feature as military secret, which in the end should be there.

[Orel]

I don’t know what all of this will turn out to be, but if the task of the landing is swift action, the capture and retention of strategically important objects until the main forces of the field armies approach, will there not be such a complicated structure for the landing troops? Heavy weapons are certainly good, but depending on what tasks are set. Or are we turning the landing troops into an independent structure that is capable of advancing and defending without the support of field armies?

[Mizhgan]

Exactly so ... An independent structure, as it was, it will be so ... There is practically everything in the regiment ... He served - I know. But modernization is needed ... And the Shamans know this ...

[Orel]

Exactly so ... An independent structure, as it was, it will be so ... There is practically everything in the regiment ... He served - I know. But modernization is needed ... And the Shamans know this ...

As far as I understand, we are talking about the fact that almost tanks will appear in the air assault regiments (military equipment unified with the technology of the ground forces). Will this affect the speed of deployment and the speed of the landing, which is their trump card and advantage?

[Lopatov]

Lighter components will ensure the landing of heavy equipment in a landing way.

[Mizhgan]

You are a little mistaken. The airborne forces have completely different tasks in reality - this is the seizure of the territory and retention until the arrival of the main forces, the destruction of important strategic objects .... etc. And your misconceptions are simply explained ... The landing was always not for its intended purpose, for the simple reason - it was the most combat-ready part of the army at all times of the airborne forces .... And as a result, they threw it not quite for its intended purpose into battle, although Margelov was planning a completely different thing ....
But despite all these small (????) shoals of our military commanders, the date "August 2" is known to every citizen of the Russian Federation, who has not even served in the Airborne Forces ...

[Oleg14774]

Quote: Mijgan

And the Shamans know this ...

I can add that Shamanov not only knows this, but knows how to do it!

[Atrix]

A question like this, as some "patriots" like to write here. What are we going to do with the enemy's air defense, how to send troops into enemy territory where there is air defense? Or as some "patriots" like to write again, does it work only against banana countries without air defense?
Anyone who served in the Airborne Forces with a higher rank? As previously imagined landing on enemy territory if there is air defense, because the downing of an airplane with paratroopers is already a disaster?

[urich]

http://ria.ru/analytics/20130226/924696124.html#13711111732644&message=resize&re
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Here is a link to a very good (in my opinion) article. There is in passing an answer to your question.

[igor36]

Quote: Atrix

As previously imagined landing on enemy territory if there is air defense, because the downing of an airplane with paratroopers is already a disaster?

A set of measures is being developed to ensure the landing, including: jamming, suppressing air defense, ensuring air supremacy during landing, without which it is senseless to send transporters.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Atrix

What will we do with enemy air defense,

They write those who have no idea about the rules of landing, that's about the distant 70s. “As for the capabilities of powerful SPS, their operation, even on one carrier, made it possible to drown out radio systems on the territory of a small state at once. When conducting exercises in Ukraine in 1973, the An-12PPS pair, rising from Starokonstantinov, interfered “in full”, disrupting not only air defense control, but also disrupting communications and flight control at nearby airfields. The bosses, having sorted through all the backup channels, barely managed to shout to the "noise men" with the order: "Turn everything off to ...... mother!" In our time, science does not stand still, success in this area is kept quiet, the more unexpected, the better the effect. Here is a link on "noisemakers" - http://www.xliby.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2011_03/p5.php

[Atrix]

Quote: Bort Radist

Quote: Atrix

What will we do with enemy air defense,

They write those who have no idea about the rules of landing, that's about the distant 70s. “As for the capabilities of powerful SPS, their operation, even on one carrier, made it possible to drown out radio systems on the territory of a small state at once. When conducting exercises in Ukraine in 1973, the An-12PPS pair, rising from Starokonstantinov, interfered “in full”, disrupting not only air defense control, but also disrupting communications and flight control at nearby airfields. The bosses, having sorted through all the backup channels, barely managed to shout to the "noise men" with the order: "Turn everything off to ...... mother!" In our time, science does not stand still, success in this area is kept quiet, the more unexpected, the better the effect. Here is a link on "noisemakers" - http://www.xliby.ru/transport_i_aviacija/aviacija_i_kosmonavtika_2011_03/p5.php

Yeah, that is, when they say about the extension of our air defense by suppressing its electronic warfare, everyone here is laughing wildly and they find hundreds of examples of the impossibility of this. But the potential enemy of its air defense, we so easily took and drowned. Do you yourself believe that everything was so simple the plane took off and drowned out all the air defense, and then the paratroopers flew in and captured everything?

[Bort radist]

Quote: Atrix

You yourself believe that everything is so simple the plane took off and drowned out all the air defense

The Shumoviks were our neighbors (in the VTA regiments). They once worked at 70% capacity, no one "saw" anything of their own either. I am far from being able to turn off everything, but "shooting like a dash" will not work.

[s1н7т]

So, in the "years of stagnation" to ensure the landing of one battalion was calculated to attract the forces and means of aviation only! - as a cover for OA, as long as I remember.

[Rustam]

I wrote for a long time that the Airborne Forces need their own specific equipment - the US Marine Corps should be taken as a basis

here are my previous posts, some concerns came true


Rustam  December 9, 2012 14:27 | The adoption of the Russian Airborne Forces BMD-4 resolved

what to say BMD-4
in which version will be normal or M ??
pros
1) replacement of obsolete mashiy type bmd-1 and 2
2) the main complex melon

Cons
1) old chassis
2) the high price and what I don’t like will be given to the Kurganmashzavod, which successfully failed the BMP-3 supply program to our army (a debt of 75 cars is hanging, money is allocated, there are no cars) a debt of 10 bmd-4
Shamanov himself spoke unflatteringly about the managers of the Kurganmashzavod
3) you can pick up better samples, cheaper in the west

RESULTS - At least something will get our airborne forces - since the former commanders specially recently developed the development of the airborne forces and specially hindered their development
and there are a lot of ideas and plans (to make it in the likeness of the US Marine Corps, which is a separate view and under it they make equipment like Cobra helicopters, osprey, hugh, armored vehicles, etc., etc.

still hanging in limbo programs and ideas
1) their helicopters (ka-52,50 (?) Mi-17
2) transport an-70, spanish s-295
3) new tracked air defense systems
4) blah

so bmd-4 is the first step, and the situation with the kurganmash is not clear

And the last
you need to think globally and not be too happy about receipt (possible)
BMD-4
I wrote about the development of the airborne forces and everyone agrees with this but did not give the development of the airborne forces fearing too much independence
As a model and example, I see the Moscow infantry of the United States which acts as a separate branch of the armed forces having its own aviation helicopters armored personnel carriers tanks etc - made specifically for them
example - when there was a question about closing the Bell V-22 Osprey program - only the marines rested their horn - only ospri and all (which they didn’t offer in return) we want it and that's it

that’s what I see as the development of the Airborne Forces and we will come to this
as well as they reduced the role of our Mo infantry by lowering its status and reducing it (before that, Gorshkov was cherishing it and she was getting all the best)

like this my friends
U.S. Marine Corps photo and us marins video as Pentagon separate fist

[Atrix]

Well, the Marine Corps during landing is less vulnerable than the Airborne. And also the Marines can land normal armored vehicles, which significantly increases its effectiveness for warfare.
And it seems to me that tactics 101st Airborne USA helicopter landing are best suited right now. More precisely, helicopters can better overcome an unnoticed front line or border to capture key points than transport aircraft.

[Rustam]

You misunderstood my thought

I repeat the proposal-On the development of the Airborne Forces I wrote above and everyone agrees with this but did not give the development of the Airborne Forces fearing too much independence
As a model and example, I see the Moscow infantry of the United States which acts as a separate branch of the armed forces having its own aviation helicopters armored personnel carriers tanks etc - made specifically for them
example - when there was a question about closing the Bell V-22 Osprey program - only the marines rested their horn - only ospri and all (which they didn’t offer in return) we want it and that's it

An example of the US Marines is that they operate autonomously having samples designed and made just for them

[Atrix]

Quote: Rustam

You misunderstood my thought

I repeat the proposal-On the development of the Airborne Forces I wrote above and everyone agrees with this but did not give the development of the Airborne Forces fearing too much independence
As a model and example, I see the Moscow infantry of the United States which acts as a separate branch of the armed forces having its own aviation helicopters armored personnel carriers tanks etc - made specifically for them
example - when there was a question about closing the Bell V-22 Osprey program - only the marines rested their horn - only ospri and all (which they didn’t offer in return) we want it and that's it

An example of the US Marines is that they operate autonomously having samples designed and made just for them

I understand what you are saying. But look who will deliver the same tanks for the Airborne Forces? After all, the concept of the Airborne Forces is the landing on the enemy’s rear to capture a point and hold until the arrival of the main forces, and the Marine Corps is another tactic. For the US, the Marine Corps is a major force simply for the reason that all its geopolitical opponents are overseas. And there is no heavy offensive equipment in the Airborne Forces, for the simple reason that it cannot be disembarked from aircraft.

[Scoun]

Quote: Rustam

as a model and example, I see the Moscow infantry of the USA which acts as a separate branch of the army having their aviation helicopters armored personnel carriers tanks t d - made specifically for them
example - when there was a question about closing the Bell V-22 Osprey program - only the marines rested on their horn - only ospry and that's it

Straight on the points plus plus ..
Must be a standard well-equipped, educated .......
about ospri ..
When I said, well, when did they give out a similar device, the people were ready to kick my ears .. with the words he’s difficult to manage))) but what is complicated is their problem and not ours .... but the device itself takes off a wonderful thing and it lands like a helicopter and flies at a speed of almost twice as much as a helicopter
Ours made a T-50 that flies better than the F-22 so why not make a tiltrotor better ..))

[Metlik]

Quote: Atrix

More precisely, helicopters can better overcome an unnoticed front line or border to capture key points than transport planes.

Definitely: Airborne + helicopter support = explosive mixture.
Mi 35 is perfect for landing.

[Lopatov]

This will not be the Airborne Forces.

[Bort radist]

Quote: Spade

This will not be the Airborne Forces.

Airborne forces should not stand still and tactics of application should change ......

[Rattenfanger]

Quote: Spade

This will not be the Airborne Forces.

What for? I quote from memory: "The Airborne Forces are a mobile branch of the armed forces capable of vertical maneuver (coverage)" ... and further in the text.
Landing from helicopters (by parachute or landing method) is not a vertical maneuver?

[Rustam]

Agree, even if you take the MI-35m it is not very intended for tactical landing (although it has a compartment for accommodating fighters)
The Airborne Forces want to have a drone Ka-52, and for the transportation of personnel new Mi-17.

But this is only the Shamanov Wishlist

[Mizhgan]

Rustam, did you serve in the Airborne Forces?

[Rustam]

Hello. I did not serve in the Airborne Forces.

[Army1]

Quote: Rustam

As a model and example, I see the Moscow infantry of the United States which acts as a separate branch of the armed forces having its own aviation helicopters armored personnel carriers tanks etc - made specifically for them

Perhaps, but then the number of airborne forces should be increased, and front-line aviation should be given.
In general, the physical appearance of the American Marines is impressive, I used to think it was only in the movies, it turns out not, right to pick, all strong are dense. Apparently, due to age and because of the service life, our soldiers are rather thin.

[Rattenfanger]

They are stupid fools. There’s no boom in my head. They climb under the barbell, they increase the meat. Shake bitsukha in front of the young ladies well on the beach. And in real life, the soldier should sinewy and hardy. And with this, as practice shows, they have strained.
We have running from fizukhi (like a cowboy horse), horizontal bars / parallel bars / presses are basic. Push-ups for every taste and color. KSU (Cooper test). As a result, a foolishness, like that of the Is-2 tank, and not an ounce of extra meat in six months.
As a result, a conscript soldier in a year fulfills the standard of a professional ranger from the 75th regiment.

[Atrix]

Quote: Army1

In general, the physical appearance of the American Marines is impressive, I used to think it was only in the movies, it turns out not, right to pick, all strong are dense. Apparently, due to age and because of the service life, our soldiers are rather thin.

You just need to believe less in agitation and look more at reality. People are the same everywhere and what a Russian soldier can do can be any other soldier, and also a turn. They also seem to be gaining from the age of 18, but there is a professional army that is engaged in training and exercises, and not like in our 90s the construction of summer houses for generals. Yes, and they have been paying decent money for a long time, and we only recently. And the prestige of the army there is very great, but with us you yourself know how they relate to the military.

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

The people treat the Army well and treat their children as badly as possible !!! A bad attitude to thieves in uniform, and idiots !!! Type stools !!!

[Mizhgan]

Quote: Army1

Perhaps, but then the number of airborne forces should be increased, and front-line aviation should be given.
In general, the physical appearance of the American Marines is impressive, I used to think it was only in the movies, it turns out not, right to pick, all strong are dense. Apparently, due to age and because of the service life, our soldiers are rather thin.

Duc are thin, this is from a shortage ... Mothers are afraid that their sonny-sucker will be slightly overexerted when jogging from the morning ... So they are smeared in all ways ... When I was at the recruiting station, I was very tough selection ... The "buyer-lieutenant" drove the recruits very hard. The selection was ... And quite tough ... 1991 - this was probably the last year of such selection. ((((

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

So the special told you, the most important special !!!

[erased]

Third regiments in divisions are good. What kind of aviation company? Turntables or what? They are more reasonable to include in the staff of the division as part of the regiment. Three types of divisions are overkill. Driving lightly armored vehicles into the city is a mistake. There should work equipment class BMPT with tank protection. Armored vehicles are good for delivering personnel outside the area of ​​direct fire contact, or contact of low intensity.

[Aleks tv]

Quote: erased

Three types of divisions - busting.

Quote:
... the commander said that it was supposed to switch to mixed manning of the airborne divisions, which would have three components - the airborne, light airborne and assault ...

Not three types of divisions but three components, these are two different things.

Quote: erased

Driving lightly armored vehicles into the city is a mistake. BMPT class equipment with tank protection should work there.

Actually, Shamanov’s speech is about this, therefore, attention is drawn to the components ...
This is just a replica, did not understand you. Your comment below.

[fisherman]

Shamans certainly well done, and local authorities need to provide for the construction of new fountains ...

[SASCHAmIXEEW]

Yes, without fountains we are nowhere !!!

[a.hamster55]

And yet the air defense squadron and the phalanx of the nuclear submarine! Dvoeshniki plaque fly!

[s1н7т]

"Army Aviation Company ..." I suspect that the phrase does not belong to Shamanov, but to the journalist. Well, and also some regiments, then brigades. Or did I read inattentively?

[Lopatov]

Maybe Shamanov just made a reservation. The fact is that American experience is clearly used here. And there it is the companies, battalions and brigades of army aviation.

[DeerIvanovich]

Are you hinting at the unification of the names of formations under foreign owners?

[Lopatov]

I hint at a deep study of the topic and the use of other people's experience.

[DeerIvanovich]

yes, Serdyukov is remembered that way and justified his reforms.

[Lopatov]

Which ones in the area of ​​OSH? So our brigades have nothing to do with the American, except for the name.

[bddrus]

what's wrong? or a company is not enough? although it certainly sounds like a clumsy

[Lopatov]

The company is not enough. The Americans in the airborne division have one army aviation brigade (54 attack, 53 multi-purpose, 12 transport helicopters, plus 12 attack drones), and in the landing assault as many as two.

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[Ivan.]

Quote: Spade

Rota is small

So after all, for a regiment and not a division + separately drones, a battalion will be obtained for a division - also not enough, it may come from real capabilities or others set tasks. But this is my mistake -

completely switch to contract service

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ivan.

But this is my mistake -
completely switch to contract service

If this is not done, then the units and subunits of the airborne forces will be impossible to use in full force. And the combined units that did not pass combat coordination are evil.

Nobody canceled the norm "for the war not earlier than after six months of service".

[Ivan.]

This is all understandable, but in case of mobilization these troops will not change numerically, they will not be able to serve urgent in these troops to get into them, I hope soon they will increase their service life to 1.5 years, provided that they are engaged in non-formal training, then this is enough, everyone should go through urgent and if you increase the share of contracted troops, where will the conscripts serve? Many types of troops require professionals due to the use of increasingly advanced technology and electronics. In general, I would like to be taken into the army at the age of 21 or after high schools (formed bodily, spiritually and intellectually).

[Lopatov]

Conscripts need to be trained not in the army, but in training centers.

[Ivan.]

Quote: Spade

Conscripts need to be trained not in the army, but in training centers.

and serve there?

[Lopatov]

This will be the service. Year of study at the training center. It is enough to prepare a reservist, which can be put into operation during mobilization

[True]

One could be glad for this if the words did not diverge from the deed.

[cartridge]

Everything would be fine, but I strongly doubt that Shamanov, due to his age, will command the Airborne Forces in 2020.
Although any strengthening of our army, including and Airborne I welcome unequivocally.

[hramckov2012]

shamans will not do worse. and how to enter the city he knows us better

[Lopatov]

Finally, they began to think about how to reconcile the airborne forces with the current realities. A big step forward.

[igordok]

The 76 DSD consisted of the 242 separate military transport aviation squadron. After these innovations, the An-2 and Mi-8 disappeared from their field airfield.

Tell me where (and when) the small emblem of the Airborne Forces with planes and a paratrooper disappeared, but now it’s unusual.

[a.hamster55]

In aviation, there are: VA, hell, up, squadrons, squads. And the companies are only in the Air Force support units!

[Rattenfanger]

The headquarters of the Airborne Forces explained that it was a question of including in the current airborne assault and airborne divisions the two-regiment composition of the third regiment

Did I miss something? Just 6 years ago in the 7th Guards Division there were just 3 regiments: 108 Novorossiysk, 247 Stavropol and Anapa artillery regiments (1144, it seems).

[Victor]

Quote: Rattenfanger

Did I miss something? Just 6 years ago in the 7th Guards Division there were just 3 regiments: 108 Novorossiysk, 247 Stavropol and Anapa artillery regiments (1144, it seems).

You are somewhat wrong. You described the division of the double-regiment, because art. regiments have always been considered a reserve and strengthening of the division commander. For example, my native 98 Guards. Until 1998, the VDD included (like the other divisions of the Airborne Forces) three airborne regiments and one artillery regiment. In 1998, one parachute airborne regiment (299th Guards. Regiment in which I served) was disbanded. It was the same in other divisions. Now the third RAP is being returned and the VDD is again becoming a three-regiment, because it is the RDP that is the main independent combat unit of the VDP. All other regiments (artillery, anti-aircraft missile, army aviation) serve to ensure the performance of combat missions by parachute airborne regiments, reinforcing any of their components. For example, there is a self-propelled artillery division in the RAP, it can be strengthened to the artillery group of the paratrooper regiment at the expense of the artillery regiment, etc. If something is not clear, ask, I will explain.

[Rattenfanger]

I made a mistake, I admit. Allow on the head

[Victor]

Quote: Rattenfanger

I made a mistake, I admit. Allow on the head

It’s not necessary on the head, this is the most, it is, in the sense of the head, a paratrooper a very necessary tool. My heart feels, very soon it will be necessary to become in service again and to recruit warriors again from the old guard.

[Senzey]

The main thing is that the conversion to new equipment is being planned. Aircraft of their own support are certainly needed, even if only a company (squadron). Well, in tactical terms, the three manning options are logical, let's not forget that all the equipment will also land, and in different conditions, manning the regiment will matter. Shamanov good luck in the implementation of plans to strengthen the airborne!

[Andrei]

Third regiments in divisions is good news, but I have a question: if, with the current strength of the Airborne Forces, we cannot transfer all units completely to a contract, then where will we get "recruits" for new units, if, according to recent news of the Airborne Forces, they become completely "contractual"? (in my opinion, all this started in vain). In my opinion, it was not bad to take the Soviet system of three regimental divisions and rework it a little - the first regiment is completely contractual, ready at any moment to "break" and "move" wherever ordered, the second regiment is partly contractual, partly from "conscripts" but also has a high combat readiness and capable in a short time to advance to the aid of the first, and the third regiment will have from a permanent composition only officers / warrant officers and contract sergeants, but at the same time it will be trained in reserve and reserve (not so long ago this news was discussed on this website ) and young soldiers who have just arrived from training units. Then the divisions will have a "rapid reaction" regiment, and at the same time, in case of war, (2nd regiments) will be created and (Third regiments) mob will be supported / retrained. reserve.

[Ivan.]

It’s very reasonable + a new strategy, to test and finish the equipment at the beginning on the contract parts and at the same time to prepare the trained replenishment in the draft units in case of mobilization and losses. In our setting, both varieties and a call and a contract are needed.

[Aleks tv]

Recreate the 3 Regiment in the divisions.

VDP - landing technique.
ICP - heavy equipment.
Peacekeepers on armored vehicles MPAP.

Shamanov said well, shortly and clearly: Each theater has its own organizational structure and its own equipment..
In principle, this was the case when the tanks gave the Airborne Forces during ground operations, and now they will introduce heavy equipment into the state, leaving them also airborne.
And then Mlyn, the BMD-4m non-landing party has already lured from all sides to suck ... You must jump to the Chinese border on BMD, Sprut and Nona. And enter the cities of Kurgan and Armata.

Good luck, Commander.
The real battle general.

[user]

All this is wonderful. Only in what form do you want to see aviation? Because if you introduce the aviation component into the state of the Airborne Division (well, at least for the staff of the 101st division of the USA), a lot of interaction issues arise from personnel, deliveries and repairs of aviation equipment, training of flight personnel, Flight Control Center, etc., etc., etc. ...
The most interesting thing in the Soviet Army did not completely solve this problem, since the paratroopers did not find understanding among the pilots and vice versa.
By the way, the best aviation organization was in Nazi Germany, the commander Hermann Goering. With small forces (compared with the Soviet Army + Allied Aviation) he was able to organize decent aviation support. This is achieved due to over-centralization of aviation in the same hands (with all + and -). All this made it possible to concentrate large forces in one place.

And we have parts of the Air Force, Air Defense, FSB and so on, so on. . .

Even a single control center has never been

[a.hamster55]

I envy the pilots who were subordinated to the army command, this is a fount of jokes! And master the flights in chrome boots, and you can get through the parade in boots.

[Petro]

A joke is the presence of army aircraft in the Air Force.

[a.hamster55]

Yes, develop your own NPP, create your own ATC and let it fly! There was already army aviation: + more general posts; - disgusting supply of all types of food allowances and hp; - the duration of the coordination of each sneeze with the structures of the Air Force and Air Defense. The usual answer is you who, or aviation or infantry in general, went to ...

[a.hamster55]

And what do you think, how much time does it take for the departure of a helicopter of the Ministry of Emergencies or the ambulance in the capital
Our Motherland - I think for at least an hour. But in the garrison of whatever N-ska you take a list with the heaps of heaps of switches and for a long, long time trying to shout! And it’s better to do this one day from the event.

[Petro]

After the transfer of AA to the Air Force, nothing has changed, as 10% remained in good order, the post of general command of the Air Force and Air Defense took over, while reducing the number of Air Force, the first to send AA and UAV units for reduction. Departmental egoism is not good.

[a.hamster55]

Guys do not forget to remember the 17 of June of the Hero of Russia B. Vorobyov - eternal memory to him and KA-50. Already
15 years ...

[jungler]

In my unenlightened view. The Airborne Forces as a branch of the military have in principle outlived themselves. Parachute jumps are the lot of small special forces and reconnaissance groups. It is not serious to talk about the massive use of airborne assault with modern air defense. But ... the army is strong in spirit. But jumping as an element of psychological training, I would oblige to introduce ALL servicemen. Like a litmus test. What is the "nerd" behind the control panel in the Strategic Missile Forces? Expensive. Very expensive ... but .. he lacks masculinity and understanding of seriousness. Since the war for him is not sweat and blood but ... "DOOM"