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Doors of European weapons manufacturers open for Azerbaijan

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In the spring of 2013, information about Russia's refusal to sell military aircraft to Azerbaijan was held, with the exception of the Yak-130 training aircraft. Just a few days after that, a number of leading European countries gave a green light to their defense companies for the sale of military products to the countries of the South Caucasus, including Azerbaijan. This gives Europeans the opportunity to sell military equipment and military products, previously impossible due to the embargo imposed on countries in conflict or on whose territory there are unresolved territorial issues. The authorities of France, Italy, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Denmark, Holland, Croatia, and Canada organize meetings of their military and defense industry representatives with the authorities of regional states.




Companies such as THALES, EUROCOPTER, AGUSTA VESTLAND, EADS CASSİDİAN, RENAULT TRUCKS, DASSO AVİATİON, İVECO, BERETTA, SAAB, BUMAR, SELEX, RUAG, specializing in aviation, communications, military vehicles, fire control equipment, small arms, are looking for opportunities to enter the promising Azerbaijani market. The ministers of defense of Spain, Italy and Croatia have already visited Baku. Representatives of the defense industry of France are particularly active. The first contracts have already been concluded. Canadian company CAE İnc. will deliver simulators for training pilots of aircraft and helicopters. Agusta will supply a test batch of helicopters. Earlier, a Turkish company won a tender to modernize the Sitalchay military airfield. Note that the UK and Germany so far adhere to the embargo previously adopted in relation to the countries of the South Caucasus.

By the level of pilots training, the military aviation of Azerbaijan occupies one of the leading places in the region and in the entire post-Soviet space. Pilots periodically undergo training in foreign countries. The country plans to modernize and update the existing fleet.
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  1. Vadivak
    Vadivak 10 June 2013 07: 32
    13
    In the spring of 2013, there was information about Russia's refusal to sell military aircraft to Azerbaijan,


    Namely, the Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 were tried to explain the refusal of the Russian side in Azerbaijan by the efforts of the Armenians, who occupy senior positions in the United Aircraft Corporation, as well as in the MiG and Sukhoi enterprises, and someone believes that of behind the Gabala station.
    1. xetai9977
      10 June 2013 07: 46
      -8
      As for Gabala, it’s not serious to occupy a huge territory in the middle of tourist complexes (the center of the travel industry is there) and pay the price of the 1st Bugatti CAR per year, and sell weapons to Azerbaijan at WORLD prices! Yes, in the tourism business we can earn at least 10 times more in the same territory. As for airplanes, well, a holy place does not exist. Do not sell, you will sell others.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 10 June 2013 15: 13
        +1
        Quote: xetai9977
        Yes, in the tourism business we can earn in the same territory at least 10 times more


        Why would a country that wants to get up on tourism buy ultra-modern combat aircraft? True - unnecessary. Therefore, some people were refused.
        1. xetai9977
          10 June 2013 15: 24
          +4
          So according to your idea, the UAE, Turkey, France, etc., where the tour is very developed. The industry should do without an army. One is not a hindrance to the other.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 15: 47
          +2
          Quote: Geisenberg
          Why would a country that wants to get up on tourism buy ultra-modern combat aircraft?

          and who said that he wants to rise ??
          Like already risen!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 07: 47
      +6
      Quote: Vadivak
      Namely, the Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 were tried to explain the refusal of the Russian side in Azerbaijan by the efforts of the Armenians, who occupy senior positions in the United Aircraft Corporation, as well as in the MiG and Sukhoi enterprises, and someone believes that of behind the Gabala station.

      Here, of course, there is politics, but it seems to me that the overload of orders from Russian plants played a significant role here !!
      That is, I don’t see that how they could find free production facilities to ensure the execution of a major contract!
      Then I would have to refuse to fulfill internal orders, because, apparently, Azerbaijan wanted to buy the most advanced aircraft!
      1. xetai9977
        10 June 2013 07: 52
        -4
        I don’t think that Russia refused because of the overloaded factories. Most likely because of the protests of Armenia and the pro-Armenian lobby in Russia
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 10 June 2013 11: 26
          +4
          The Armenian "lobby" in Russia is probably somewhere there, but why come up with such complex designs? Everything is simpler in life - Russia is not satisfied with Baku's policy, its flirting with Sash and Israel, a consistent break in relations in all spheres. In this light, it is foolish to strengthen your potential enemy, or rather the enemy of your ally (since Azerbaijan is a very conditional enemy for Russia). As for the supply of European weapons, it’s like a flag in hand, but if it comes to real use, it’s preferable that Armenia would shoot down Eurofighters ...
          1. Our
            Our 30 December 2013 22: 00
            +1
            My opinion is that if Russia at the beginning of the 20th century managed to achieve that, Azerbaijanis fought in such a way that many envied (the Wild Division) Mehmandarov, Shikhlinsky who believed in Russia, and not just fought on the side, but completely gave themselves up with a huge difference mentality, faith, ethnos, even now when a large half of the population knows Russian, and is close mentally where my Russian is very popular (the years in the USSR have said) Russia needs to achieve more. And you don’t need snot and saliva like this, they themselves pulled west. Wines P Russian politics. If, in the Composition of the Russian Empire, in the absence of knowledge of the Russian language, the Wild Division fought against Turkey in essence with their blood brothers. So why shouldn’t we be interested in them now so that they themselves will be guarantors and support to us from the Caucasus. Russia hopes for someone betrayed all whose subjects they were. Iran, Turkey, Byzantium, Georgia, Azerbaijan. And the betrayer once betrayed and another it is proved by history. Whose state was formed only and only with the Russian hand and now don’t be such a state they are still in sight, but they still manage to yelp and glance west and negotiate with them.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 10 June 2013 08: 23
        +4
        Quote: Yarbay
        Apparently, Azerbaijan wanted to buy the most advanced aircraft!

        Apparently he will buy them, but not with us
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 08: 26
          +3
          Quote: Vadivak
          Apparently he will buy them, but not with us

          You do not know what will happen to the Su planes that India returned, like they were going to put up for sale !?
          And if you buy planes in another country, this will lead to the destruction of the entire fleet of technical support !!
          1. Greyfox
            Greyfox 10 June 2013 09: 09
            +4
            Su-30K of the first issues (without PGO) that you are talking about are located in Belarus at the 588 ARZ (Baranovichi). There they were capitalized and buyers were looking for them, but I did not hear that they were offered to Azerbaijan or Azerbaijan expressed interest in buying them. Although the price is very attractive. I honestly see no reason not to sell them to your country if such an interest arises.
            1. Panahkhan
              Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 26
              +9
              Because of the embargo, there are things that are not talked about. If you look at the list of what Azerbaijan purchased from Israel, there is only half a lyama described, and the rest is not a word. The Azerbaijani authorities have repeatedly appealed to Rosoboronexport about the desire to acquire Mig and Su. What was denied. It's not about Gabala. Namely, in the Armenian officials who did their job. This is not the first time that the Russian authorities have suffered such a loss because of the Armenians. And thanks to the Armenians, you can read on the news about the recent protest rally. Pay particular attention to the inscriptions on the posters.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 June 2013 09: 35
              +4
              Quote: Greyfox
              . Honestly, I see no reason not to sell them to your country if such an interest arises.

              There are reasons !!
              The sale of modern aircraft to Azerbaijan will finally and irrevocably change the balance of power in the Caucasus!
              1. Greyfox
                Greyfox 10 June 2013 09: 48
                +5
                I already wrote to you that my great desire is that you and the Armenians settle the matter peacefully, but if you want war, then nothing will stop you from striving to buy more weapons. Therefore, what difference does it make from whom you get it. Both parties striving for hemorrhage do not cause sympathy in me.
                PS A party of 18 aircraft will definitely not upset the balance of forces in Transcaucasia ...
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay 10 June 2013 10: 21
                  +4
                  Quote: Greyfox
                  PS A party of 18 planes will definitely not upset the balance of forces in Transcaucasia ..

                  considering that the potential enemy does not have, in principle, more than one aircraft ??
                  We have airplanes, but they are getting old!
                  New ones will give a final advantage, which in the next 50 years the enemy will not be able to compensate for due to the economic situation!
                  Look at all the parameters of weapons, we surpass the enemy at times !!
                  Lacking only new modern aircraft!
                  1. ayyildiz
                    ayyildiz 10 June 2013 10: 53
                    +3
                    Here, not only against Armenia but also against Iran, you also need to have new fighters!
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 07
                      +3
                      Quote: ayyildiz
                      Here, not only against Armenia but also against Iran, you also need to have new fighters!

                      the fact of the matter is the purchase of a large batch of aircraft gives a great advantage to Iran!
                      If we take into account the air defense of Azerbaijan, then Iran remains an advantage only in manpower!
                      1. Panahkhan
                        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 30
                        +1
                        You are very deeply mistaken Yarbai.
                        You open the search engine, write the population of Iran.
                        And then see how many Azerbaijanis, Turks, Sunnis are there and then see how many Persians. It is the Persians. This is food for the mind brother!
                      2. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 55
                        +1
                        Quote: Panahkhan
                        You are very deeply mistaken Yarbai.
                        You open the search engine, write the population of Iran.
                        And then see how many Azerbaijanis, Turks, Sunnis are there and then see how many Persians. It is the Persians. This is food for the mind brother!

                        I mean the population and of course the official Iranian army!
                      3. Panahkhan
                        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 07
                        -1
                        My brother, if Iran gets on Azerbaijan, it will acquire personal enemies in the face of many Muslim countries. 1) THIS will be Pakistan. Yes, it is Pakistan. 2) Turkey. OIC organizations give only an excuse.

                        Plus, inside their country, no one will save them from rallies and coups.

                        Iran is really very afraid of Azerbaijan for 2 reasons.

                        1) This is the number of Azerbaijanis
                        2) Relations of Azerbaijan

                        Therefore, they verbally swear to us in love and in real life they die like a strong Azerbaijan. They remember their sins. Do not forget!

                        But they cannot and cannot openly go against us !!!
                        Believe me, even a jackal can kill a lion if it bites correctly.

                        And they know that too!
                      4. smersh70
                        smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 57
                        +1
                        Thanks to Pakistan !!!!!!! a holy place does not happen)))))))))) money will flow to them))))))))
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 10 June 2013 12: 59
                        +3
                        Quote: smersh70
                        Thanks to Pakistan !!!

                        Thank you, thank you)))
                        Only these aircraft can not be compared with the latest SU!
                      6. smersh70
                        smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 23
                        0
                        if konkretno ... nobody saw them in business too ..
                        there was an article about how Jews fought against the best aces of the USSR and Mig-21 ....
                        and the Soviet flight school was ooyoi MIG-21 praised everywhere .......
                        so it turns out ...... Jews were better hi
                      7. xetai9977
                        10 June 2013 15: 22
                        +3
                        "Su" aircraft to achieve air superiority over enemy aircraft. And what kind of aircraft does Armenia have? In the best case, they will fly a couple of old "moments". And the jf-17 is quite a combat-ready machine. If the "gripenes", "rafali", "eurofighters" do not fit, in extreme cases we will buy them.
                      8. Arminian power
                        Arminian power 4 October 2013 20: 20
                        0
                        Quote: xetai9977
                        In the best case, they will raise a couple of old "moments".

                        wassat laughing
                  2. Greyfox
                    Greyfox 10 June 2013 14: 05
                    +2
                    Tornado, these aircraft (JF-17) have Russian engines. So again, Pakistan will not decide. Russia will get its share for anyone. As an option, you can take it with a Chinese engine, but it will already be a "Chinese iPhone". And of course it is still an ersatz in comparison with the "adult" aircraft.
                  3. Gooch
                    Gooch 10 June 2013 14: 18
                    +2
                    Quote: Greyfox
                    Tornado, these aircraft (JF-17) have Russian engines. So again, Pakistan will not decide. Russia will get its share for anyone. As an option, you can take it with a Chinese engine, but it will already be a "Chinese iPhone". And of course it is still an ersatz in comparison with the "adult" aircraft.

                    Powerplant: 1 × TRDDF RD-93 (or a copy of WS-13); possibility of installation provided GE F404 / RM12 or Turbo Union RB199
                  4. Greyfox
                    Greyfox 10 June 2013 14: 55
                    +2
                    Russian RD-93 engines on Pakistani JF-17 fighters have demonstrated high reliability. Khalid Mehmood, deputy director of the JF-17 program in the Pakistani Air Force, said this in an interview with the weekly Weekends Weekly.

                    As Khalid Mehmud emphasized, “we have a JN-17 fighter jet in the amount of 7 thousand flight hours and we don’t have any problems with the RD-93 engine.”

                    Under a contract signed by China and Russia, Moscow will supply Beijing with 100 RD-93 engines with the possibility of additional supply of another 400 units.
                    According to the publication, although China is working on replacing the JF-17 power plant, the Pakistan Air Force command is encouraged by the fact that their program partner has strong ties with Russian RD-93 developers, which ensures that enough engines are delivered to China to satisfy production needs of JF-17.

                    Information from Wikipedia is often at odds with reality. However, you can take the "Chinese iPhone".
                  5. Gooch
                    Gooch 10 June 2013 14: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: Greyfox
                    Information from Wikipedia is very often at odds with reality. But you can take the "Chinese iPhone".

                    did not think that General Electric and Rolls-Royce became Chinese lol
                  6. Greyfox
                    Greyfox 10 June 2013 15: 09
                    +1
                    You will find a JF-17 with General Electric and Rolls-Royce-inform. Provide a hole of the required diameter and actually install the engine, and then prepare an aircraft with a "non-native" engine for mass production. The closest example of remotorization is IL-76 ( Translation to PS-90). It only seems that he suspended another engine and flew. Pakistanis will fly on RD-shkah, otherwise the airplane will turn golden.
                2. Semen Semyonitch
                  Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 21: 57
                  +2
                  Information from Wikipedia is often at odds with reality. However, you can take the "Chinese iPhone".
                  Do they have a lot of choices? I think if there was a line of flu, rafals and typhoons, then talking about Pakistani fighters would not go.
                3. xetai9977
                  11 June 2013 07: 36
                  +2
                  Everything is just beginning. Maybe there will be a queue.
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 18
            +2
            Quote: Greyfox
            Tornado, these engines (JF-17) have Russian engines. So, again, it will not be Pakistan who decides. Russia will get its share for any



            and we - which is against ..... we always pay with live, green money ... ... not that some .... like children .... grab on mom's skirt .... and more shouting to the whole world about the invincible army of the NKAR ..... hi
          3. Greyfox
            Greyfox 10 June 2013 15: 30
            +6
            and we - which is against ..... we always pay with live, green money ......

            So I don't mind. Just don't put any "battery" in the "Chinese iPhone", it will remain a "Chinese iPhone".
          4. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 15: 52
            +1
            Quote: Greyfox
            Just don't put any "battery" in the "Chinese iPhone", it will remain a "Chinese iPhone".

            Cool words)))))
            They killed)))
            Take into service))))
          5. Greyfox
            Greyfox 10 June 2013 15: 54
            +2
            Cool words)))))
            They killed)))
            Take into service))))

            I am pleased to issue a license hi
          6. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 16: 13
            0
            Quote: Greyfox
            I am pleased to issue a license

            Thank you)))
            Well, seriously, I support your opinion!
            Firstly, this plane is still not run-in, raw!
            It is still not known how many problems will be in operation, there will certainly be improvements that will affect the delivery time!
            But Su weapons tested!
            My opinion, if you can’t get Su, then at this stage you need to buy proven weapons!
      3. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 16: 06
        +3
        and we want to buy real Russian weapons !!!!!!!!!!!! like Kalash !!!!!! but Uncle Vova rested .... smile so advise him)))))
      4. Greyfox
        Greyfox 10 June 2013 16: 18
        +2
        I don’t want to offend anyone, but with your (Azerbaijan’s) ambitions, Su-34 would have suited you the most so that a smoky crater would have formed in the place of Yerevan. That’s why Uncle Vova resisted. yours to Aliyev). And I remind you of my position - I am against bloodshed. But at the same time I would like to see Azerbaijan as a friendly state. By God, try to somehow break up with the Armenians in the world.
      5. xetai9977
        10 June 2013 16: 35
        +4
        Dear, advise how to disperse the world and liberate the occupied lands that the aggressor does not want to liberate in a good way.
      6. Greyfox
        Greyfox 10 June 2013 16: 44
        +4
        Somehow he proposed an option, but it caused frenzied discontent among the Azerbaijanis (they had a hard hit with Yarbay then), and the Armenians were also displeased. The main problem is that no one wants the option "Give it to me, not to you." You (both Armenians and Azerbaijanis) have only the version of the unforgettable Ostap Bender: “I would take it in parts, but I need it right away!” How can you judge, the devil knows. Until you compromise yourself, things will not move.
      7. xetai9977
        10 June 2013 17: 09
        +5
        Dear, look at the world map. Under whose colors is Karabakh indicated? 4 UN resolutions on Karabakh's membership in Azerbaijan have been adopted. ALL COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD recognize Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan. So what other evidence do you need?
      8. Greyfox
        Greyfox 10 June 2013 18: 06
        -1
        The fact of the matter is that I DO NOT NEED ANY EVIDENCE! Azerbaijanis and Armenians have already decisively proved to me that they need a stop signal like a rabbit. I already said that there are only two ways — or an agreement based on mutual concessions or blood for bringing the card to the right color. you choose.
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 18: 00
      +3
      Quote: Greyfox
      Somehow he proposed an option, but it caused furious discontent among Azerbaijanis (with



      you can exchange a machine ... clothes, a pen .... but the land ... it is sacred .... I don’t want to bring analogies with Serbia .. with Russia .... YOU are familiar with the same problems ... With Regards ...
  2. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 22: 11
    +2
    Quote: smersh70
    and we want to buy real Russian weapons !!!!!!!!!!!! like Kalash !!!!!! but Uncle Vova rested .... smile so advise him)))))

    Judging by your belligerent mood, there is no choice but a military one?
  3. smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 22: 23
    +4
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Judging by your belligerent mood, there is no choice but a military one?


    I myself am a military man .. I spent about 15 years on (in) the ront .... war is a dirty business .... I saw everything .... everyone wants a peaceful path ...... and who is against ... well, not the aggressor wants to leave ... that they just didn’t offer ... and bribes ... and participation in regional projects. promising millions of dollars of Armenia ... well, YOU be in our place .... as the Russian proverb says (again I turn to her) - wedge out wedge by wedge ....
  4. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 23: 12
    +1
    I myself am a military man .. I spent about 15 years on (in) the ront .... war is a dirty business .... I saw everything .... everyone wants a peaceful path ...... and who is against ... well, not the aggressor wants to leave .. that just did not offer.
    What am I talking about? I would really not like to intervene in the conflict of two states close to us. It is pleasant to realize, in spite of the ostrich policy of our leadership in resolving this conflict, good relations between ordinary people have been preserved! Someone is very profitable to fish in troubled waters, I guess ... but this is a separate issue.
  5. smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 28
    +2
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Someone is very profitable to fish in troubled waters, I guess ... but this is a separate issue.



    I AGREE !!!!!! RESPECT !!!! hi
  6. Yarbay
    Yarbay 10 June 2013 22: 27
    +2
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Judging by your belligerent mood, there is no choice but a military one?

    But what about a friend!
    Motherland, mother, she cannot be surrendered!
    Would you also tell your relatives if your enemies would sit in Smolensk?
  7. Semen Semyonitch
    Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 22: 43
    0
    Quote: Yarbay
    Quote: Semyon Semyonich
    Judging by your belligerent mood, there is no choice but a military one?

    But what about a friend!
    Motherland, mother, she cannot be surrendered!
    Would you also tell your relatives if your enemies would sit in Smolensk?

    The fact of the matter is that occupants must be wetted. To my great regret, I am not strong in the history of this conflict and how it all began. I will try to fill this gap.
  8. Predskazamus
    Predskazamus 26 August 2013 09: 39
    0
    ))))))))) 00problem I do not see))) the engine in China)) and I assure them they can establish production there)) they already set the assembly line in an instant. Like the USSR, it copied everything at one time.
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 12: 55
    0
    will be soon))))))))
  • Arkan
    Arkan 10 June 2013 11: 33
    +9
    Quote: Greyfox
    PS A party of 18 aircraft will definitely not upset the balance of forces in Transcaucasia ...

    Good afternoon! The fact is that the purchase of such weapons systems implies the further strengthening of relations in the military sphere with the country (countries) of the supplier in view of some technological dependence of the buyer on the supplier (repair and maintenance, provision of ammunition, spare parts and units, modernization. ..). In addition, this will require the transition of some services of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces to NATO standards, which in the future will adversely affect the trade in Russian weapons in this country (at least!). Such contracts are primarily political! Azerbaijan, offering Russia such a contract makes it clear that it wants to remain in Russia's sphere of interests ... But Russia's refusal is not a very far-sighted decision, in fact, Russia itself is pushing Azerbaijan to technological dependence on the West (with all the ensuing political consequences). The purchase by Azerbaijan of such weapons systems in Europe can really change the balance of political and military forces not in favor of Russia. IMHO
    1. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 08
      +6
      Very good post Arkan. You are a plus from me.
    2. Our
      Our 30 December 2013 22: 26
      +1
      Dyakuyu. Completely written
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 10 June 2013 11: 27
    +1
    Quote: Greyfox
    Honestly, I see no reason not to sell them to your country


    Quite. You need to be friends with your neighbors
  • Vadivak
    Vadivak 10 June 2013 11: 26
    +4
    Quote: Yarbay
    And if you buy planes in another country, this will lead to the destruction of the entire fleet of technical support !!


    You are not afraid, Baku oil is the best in quality
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 12: 33
      +3
      Quote: Vadivak
      You are not afraid, Baku oil is the best in quality

      Vadim, I do not agree!
      and then what about the fleet with Russian airplanes !!
      I do not know countries in the world where they can afford to have aircraft of two completely different manufacturers !!
      1. Gooch
        Gooch 10 June 2013 12: 55
        +4
        I do not know countries in the world where they can afford to have aircraft of two completely different manufacturers !!

        Pakistan, India.)
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 01
          +3
          Quote: Gooch
          Pakistan, India.)

          Therefore, millions are seen starving there?)))))))
          1. Gooch
            Gooch 10 June 2013 13: 05
            +5
            Quote: Yarbay
            Quote: Gooch
            Pakistan, India.)

            Therefore, millions are seen starving there?)))))))

            You won’t spread a plane for bread.) You just need to use contraceptives.)
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 26
              0
              GOOCH !!!!!! thanks for the picture ..... here I answered the vardan)) fellowlaughed all night how you pinned them))))
              and by the way you're still a foreman! it's time to climb the mountain))) help, friends !!!!!!!
              1. Gooch
                Gooch 10 June 2013 13: 34
                +2
                Quote: smersh70
                GOOCH !!!!!! thanks for the picture ..... here I answered the vardan)) fellowlaughed all night how you pinned them))))
                and by the way you're still a foreman! it's time to climb the mountain))) help, friends !!!!!!!

                It feels like the site turned into a circus) what a violent reaction, to ordinary srach. :)
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 24
        +2
        Finland, Germany .. Czech Republic ... and especially the Serbs ...... quite got along with 2 different weapons systems)))
  • Geisenberg
    Geisenberg 10 June 2013 15: 14
    +1
    Quote: Vadivak
    Quote: Yarbay
    Apparently, Azerbaijan wanted to buy the most advanced aircraft!

    Apparently he will buy them, but not with us


    And not the most modern :) ... do you think he will sell f-22 or Typhoon ?? They will give BU F-16 and F-14 from the decommissioned ones and thank you for your attention.
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    1. xetai9977
      10 June 2013 15: 48
      +2
      PANAKHAN, my brother, they forget the eastern wisdom: IF SOMEONE CHEATED ME, ALLAH WILL REPRESENT HIM. IF HE DECIED ME THE SECOND TIME, THEN ALLAH WILL PUNISH ME. Apparently they forgot that when they told them about "brotherhood", the Armenians are slowly switching to foreign models. Chinese MLRS, Japanese tractors, Serbian rifles, Polish modernization of tanks ...
  • ayyildiz
    ayyildiz 10 June 2013 10: 49
    +2
    Maybe Azerbaijan will be able to buy several squadrons of GIPFEN NG!
    1. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 58
      +3
      There are such conversations and discussions.
      The question is different. Greens will again start shouting to the whole world that the next Swedish company is friends with the dictator + Armenians.

      Now in Sweden they are engaged in the deportation of Armenians, who gave false information to the migration service that they are an ethnic family.

      I.e.

      Arrives an Armenian family. They say the husband is Armenian and the wife is Azerbaijani, saying that ethno family cannot live in Baku not in Yerevan, and therefore I ask you to give us a residence permit. So they got a residence permit in Europe.

      Permanent residence is not given for hunger!

      Now ours are engaged in order to bring them to clean water. Permanent residence has been taken away from a couple of dozen families. Now the Swedish parliament is busy with this very issue so that, in the presence of new treaties, special problems with the Armenians would not arise. The main thing for Swedes is money. Who pays the one and orders the music.

      There is talk of acquiring Gripen. Eurofighter is not considered.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 11: 11
      +2
      Quote: ayyildiz
      Maybe Azerbaijan will be able to buy several squadrons of GIPFEN NG!

      a good idea!
      And how to service it ???
      tomorrow the Swedes will change their government and refuse to provide technical service1
      voobshe entire system have to redo!
      I am very interested in how our leaders will solve this difficult task!
      1. Greyfox
        Greyfox 10 June 2013 11: 21
        +2
        You think Yarbai realistically in this matter. There is an American kit on Grippen (engine in particular), so the Swedes will not sell Grippen without the permission of amers. And the maintenance of Western equipment will also cost a pretty penny (especially the initial investment).
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 40
          0
          Volvo Aero RM-12 engines, although based on the General Electric. And the United States does not climb into the Swedish military industry to whom and what to sell.
      2. Panahkhan
        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 37
        +1
        Yarbai in Sweden only 2 parties rule. These are social democrats and moderators. Both of them will do anything for the sake of money. But ours also learned to play chess. At the conclusion of the contract, the condition will be precisely the service in any situation. Swedes in words are always peace-loving, but they like to sell weapons to others. If ours decide to purchase Gripen, then believe me there will be no problems with technical service. The question is different. He is an expensive plane. Many times cooler than eurofighter. I really love this plane. Even sat in her cabin. I have pictures) I talked with people on this topic, they say its maintenance is very simple, unlike other aircraft. Plus for Gripen does not need a special strip. Grippen can make a landing everywhere. Need a direct strip somewhere around half a km. There he served, armed and again take off. I saw with his own eyes his maintenance. Only 2 people can bring it to mind if something goes wrong. The machine is multifunctional and very reliable. Swedes do wisely. Now, if they still would have sold their corvette to us, then in general they will not have a price. http://www.armstrade.org/images/news/big14636.jpg Our people really want it. Very much.

        And so do not worry about our attitude. Our strong diaspora is being built in Sweden. Further, our LORENCE abused her tricks in Baku. More precisely, she was in her house; her colleagues raped her.
      3. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 10 June 2013 11: 45
        +2
        Azerbaijan must do the maintenance itself!

        That is, Azerbaijan must be produced!

        Quote: Yarbay
        tomorrow the Swedes will change their government and refuse to provide technical service1
        voobshe entire system have to redo!


        Everything must be negotiated in the contract hi
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 10 June 2013 11: 53
          +5
          Quote: ayyildiz
          Azerbaijan must do the maintenance itself!

          I think no one will build the entire production line in Azerbaijan in order to provide components for 18 fighters. smile
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 June 2013 12: 26
            +4
            Offset deal, Azerbaijan can easily buy 36 fighters!
            Switzerland and for 22 offered hi
            1. Arkan
              Arkan 10 June 2013 12: 48
              +3
              Quote: ayyildiz
              Offset deal, Azerbaijan can easily buy 36 fighters!
              Switzerland and for 22 offered

              This is not important! Even China, with its powerful industrial base and human resources, is technologically dependent on Russia, and one of the reasons is that its aircraft engines are much inferior to the Russian ones ...
        2. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 15
          +2
          Exactly Ayyldyz.
          I say, ours also learned to play chess :) Each hole will be considered.
          As a result, Russia will lose. They lose billions because of Armenians. Those who support them, economically, also lose billions.
          If anyone remembers, I wrote here a year ago here that if Russia continues a similar policy towards Azerbaijan, then Azerbaijan will respond to this culturally. It was 1) a radar station 2) a refusal to pump oil through Novorossiysk 3) a refusal to purchase arms from Russia 4) a trans-Caspian pipeline.
          Yarbai should remember this.
          What happened? All 3 points have occurred)))))))) Want to continue in this spirit with us? For God's sake!
          I wrote about this for a long time.
          Now the next forecast.
          If Russia even begins to blackmail Azerbaijan indirectly, the next steps will be
          1) Azerbaijan withdraws from the neutrality agreement that it signed in Malaysia, THEREFORE made it clear to Russia that we would not join NATO or would not fight with anyone for the sake of NATO interests. And after the termination, all this will speak otherwise.
          2) Actively begin meetings on joining NATO.
          3) Azerbaijan is armed to the teeth with Israeli and Western technology
          4) A military alliance with Pakistan will be created. In the event of war, Pakistan will intervene with Turkey. Although with Turkey there is only Nakhchivan.
          5) Troops of 6 countries will appear in the Caspian.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 38
            +2
            Quote: Panahkhan
            If anyone remembers, I wrote here a year ago here that if Russia continues a similar policy towards Azerbaijan, then Azerbaijan will respond to this culturally. It was 1) a radar station 2) a refusal to pump oil through Novorossiysk 3) a refusal to purchase arms from Russia 4) a trans-Caspian pipeline.


            I remember very well !!))
            For which, at first, you became known as an * extremist * here first)))
      4. kirieeleyson
        kirieeleyson 10 June 2013 11: 55
        +3
        Good day, Yarbai. An interesting knot, of course. So, under NATO standards, in any case, you will have to customize everything, especially infrastructure. I am interested to understand what your view of the current situation is on the Turkish coast, as a representative of a close ally. Against the background of this factor, how do you assess the open corridor of European arms to the country. There is an idea that this step will affect the aggressive militarization of the region (pumping with weapons) as a whole.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 12: 45
          +3
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          An interesting knot, of course. So, under NATO standards, in any case, you will have to customize everything, especially the infrastructure

          Well, the infrastructure has been translated into NATO standards since 2005!
          I care about having to change the completely material and technical base of service in the Air Force!
          I don’t know, I’m not an expert, maybe I'm wrong!
          Quote: kirieeleyson
          I’m interested in understanding your view of the current situation on the Turkish coast as a representative of a close ally.
          empathize with the Turks !!
          The current events, I think, sober up Erdogan and his team, in the fact that many people still stand firmly on the ideas of Ataturk!

          Quote: kirieeleyson
          Against the background of this factor, how do you assess the open corridor of European arms to the country. There is an idea that this step will affect the aggressive militarization of the region (pumping weapons) in general

          in principle, this will allow to obtain new technologies and help the development of the military-industrial complex, I'm glad !!
          As for militarization, it will certainly affect, but even if Western countries do not sell, they will still find someone to buy from (South Africa, KOREA, ISRAEL)!
          And then there is one more moment, except for Azerbaijan, other countries in the region will not be able to buy, something serious and in large quantities!
      5. xetai9977
        10 June 2013 15: 40
        +2
        Now is not the time (crisis) that someone should refuse spare parts. and we should not forget that the service centers of Europeans in many countries.
    3. Gooch
      Gooch 10 June 2013 12: 41
      +1
      Quote: ayyildiz
      Maybe Azerbaijan will be able to buy several squadrons of GIPFEN NG!

      I can’t understand why Gripen and why the Swedes? You can’t buy F-16 Block 52+ from the same Turks, serve with them, and carry out those on their territory. service is so much cheaper and more practical than a bicycle
      1. ayyildiz
        ayyildiz 10 June 2013 12: 50
        0
        Could sell would sell long ago, then something is in the way!
        Not easy Turkey wants to create its own fighter. Azerbaijan also pushes Turkey to create its own fighter and also finances the project! hi
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 12: 53
        +2
        Quote: Gooch
        You can’t buy F-16 Block 52+ from the same Turks, serve with them, and carry out those on their territory. service is so much cheaper and more practical than a bicycle

        In principle, this would be great, especially since all the flight personnel periodically practice on these aircraft !!
        All without exception!
        The question is different, that the United States will not give this go-ahead!
        1. Gooch
          Gooch 10 June 2013 13: 03
          +1
          Quote: Yarbay
          The question is different, that the United States will not give this go-ahead!

          Pakistan sold, Bahrain sold .. what's the problem, it is not clear ..
          1. Arkan
            Arkan 10 June 2013 13: 08
            +2
            Quote: Gooch
            Pakistan sold, Bahrain sold .. what's the problem, it is not clear ..

            I believe that the problem is in a rather strong Armenian lobby in the USA ... smile
          2. smersh70
            smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 32
            +1
            GUCH !!!!!!!! the problem is that amerokosa, when they sold the license for F-16, were forbidden to sell aircraft without their consent. And at that time there was a confrontation with the USSR .. and the Turks agreed ........
            it’s true ... when the Iranians first flew into the sky of Azerbaijan at the beginning of 2000, they wanted to sell them bypassing the Turks, well, through shell companies, though this time for some reason ours didn’t want to ... ...... right, Yarbay .... ours are very strong Engineering of airports, bases .... aviation ..... but they all understand Soviet technology ..... but .... in foreign - it takes time))))
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 44
            +1
            Quote: Gooch
            Pakistan sold, Bahrain sold .. what's the problem, it is not clear ..

            Well, such a decision has been made by the United States and Western countries, so as not to send weapons to the countries participating in the conflict!
            Judging by the article, some countries decided to change their minds, but Germany, England and the United States still stand their ground!
            For example, the cases of self-propelled guns * Fyrtyn *! Turkey sold a batch to Azerbaijan, having learned about this the German company engine manufacturer refused to deliver it to Azerbaijan!
            Of course they decided the question, they found another engine manufacturer, but the fact remains!
            And the Armenian lobby plays a role!
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 37
    +4
    Quote: Vadivak
    Namely, the Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 tried to explain the Russian side’s refusal in Azerbaijan by the efforts of the Armenians,


    finally! how much I kept repeating about it ..... and you, our Russian friends, did not believe ..... as the Russian proverb says - a holy place does not happen .......
    and how many money, living, green, could the Russian budget get ......... in light of the fact that Medvedev said that the budget for 2014 is terribly scarce ....... Pogosyan will probably fill ..... hi
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 15
    0
    Quote: Vadivak
    Namely, the Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 tried to explain the Russian side’s refusal in Azerbaijan by the efforts of the Armenians,


    here are the tricks of the Armenian diaspora, but thank God ... everything fell into place - worn out that he said - the main goal in my life I fulfilled - gave the homeland the best model S-300PMU ...
    At the end of May, the procedural check against Igor Ashurbeyli, the former director general of the largest and successful defense enterprise GSKB Almaz-Antey, was completed.
    Law enforcement conducted an audit during the year. Based on the results of the verification measures, a reasonable procedural decision was made - to refuse to initiate a criminal case due to the absence of corpus delicti in the actions of Igor Ashurbeyli, the Moscow Monitor reports.
    Igor Ashurbeyli, who headed Almaz-Antey State Specialized Design Bureau from 2000 to 2011, became one of the most prominent figures in the Russian defense industry. Great demand from foreign customers for the anti-aircraft missile systems developed by GSKG guaranteed both GSK and the entire air defense center, a steady income and the best positions in the ratings of Russian defense industry enterprises. Ashurbeyli came to Almaz in 1994 year - one of the most difficult periods of the enterprise.
    Almaz, which Igor Raufovich headed in the 2000 year, was just beginning to emerge from the crisis. One of the main achievements during this period was the adoption and arming of the S-400 Triumph air defense system. The company provided a full development cycle of anti-aircraft missile systems with the production of prototypes in-house. In addition, the great merit of Igor Ashurbeyli as CEO was that he sought to maintain a unique talent pool, a brilliant galaxy of scientists, followers of the creator of anti-aircraft missile weapons in Russia, Academician A. A. Raspletin.
    Under the leadership of Ashurbeyli, an internal restructuring was carried out at Almaz and its subsidiaries, which resulted in the absence of taxes, wages and energy debts. The capitalization of the defense enterprise by the efforts of Ashurbeyli has grown 37 times. He managed to return the NGO to the number of leaders of the Russian defense industry.
    Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/16280
  • Scandinavian
    Scandinavian 10 June 2013 07: 47
    +3
    Former socialist republic, and the impression is that we see each other for the first time. It is a pity that Azerbaijan has other goals in politics!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 07: 53
      -1
      Quote: Scandinavian
      Former socialist republic, and the impression is that we see each other for the first time. It is a pity that Azerbaijan has other goals in politics!

      What others ??
      You have chosen our enemy as allies !!
      Your enemies and I were not in alliance!
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 10 June 2013 08: 34
        11
        You have chosen our enemy as allies !!

        But Russians are not enemies for you ?? I am not delighted with Azerbaijan ... I was born in Baku and in the 90s I ran away urgently, because you Azerbaijanis drove everyone and everything ... I could not go for bread, threw stones ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 09: 22
          +1
          Quote: Skarte
          But Russians are not enemies for you ?? I am not happy with Azerbaijan ..



          what are you talking about ..... The Russian diaspora has about 120 thousand people ... 2 deputies of the MM ... senior posts in the ministries .... in the army ...... and that they all cannot go for bread .......
          some tension was due to the introduction of troops in January 1990 ... due to the fact that 131 people were killed ...... because of this half-broomman Gorbachev .......
          1. Panahkhan
            Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 34
            +4
            He is a provocateur. You should not even say such things. Even the Armenian Jew KASPAROV does not say that about Azerbaijan, but then some Russian was born in the 90s and fled in the 90s. He is either an Armenian or a Russian provocateur.

            I gave everyone advice. Classmates open, write any Russian name, city and country of Baku Azerbaijan and press search. And then they will ask any Russian. What is it to them in Baku. I'm sure not Honey, but not pepper. They live like everyone else.

            And if you really want to let them go to Ismayilli in the village of Ivanovka. There Russians live as Old Believers, and at the same time they do not even make very bad money by selling their goods. By the way, my family also buy their dairy products.
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 10 June 2013 12: 44
              +2
              Quote: Panahkhan
              And if you really want to let them go to Ismayilli in the village of Ivanovka. There Russians live as Old Believers, and at the same time they do not even make very bad money by selling their goods. By the way, my family also buy their dairy products.

              Mother told about Ivanovka, residents like Molokans called? :) there are also villages like there with Russian residents, Novosaratovka, Chukhur Urd and Novo-Ivanovka)
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 34
                -1
                there are still Russian BORISS .... Mikhailovka .... everywhere the land has been privatized by the former collective farmers .... and only the Molokans because of their way of life at the time asked Aliyev ... to leave the collective farms ......
                1. Arminian power
                  Arminian power 4 October 2013 20: 43
                  -1
                  your cynicism has no limits am
        2. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 31
          +2
          You're lying! If you are Russian, I’m ready to pay for your flight to Baku and go to Baku and speak exclusively Russian, and then Russian, you go to Armenia and speak Russian there, you will see the result.

          If you are an Armenian and ran away, you did the right thing! You don’t need to get dirty in the holy lands with your presence, and so your spirit smelled al more than 100000. And if you are Russian, then ask your father what sin he ran away for. Since the Russians here are not touched, how they lived and how they live.

          If in doubt, go to classmates and write any Russian name, then the city of Baku, and click search. And then ask how they live there.

          Do not carry nonsense. Do not mislead people.

          But if you mean Sumgayit, please tell me what you did to the relatives of those who arranged Sumgayit a couple of months before Sumgayit in Armenia. SPEAK A, speak and B.
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 10 June 2013 09: 51
            +3
            You're lying!
            I'm lying like it was before? Or how is it now? As it is now I know. Everything calmed down and calmed down, many acquaintances remained in Baku ... I really respect the native Baku people who have lived there since Soviet times ...
            And if you're Russian, then ask your father what sin he ran away for.

            Would you hold back your language, father is Russian, but ran because he was saving his family ... I remember very well the favorite phrase of that time ... "Ginger cat, go back to your Russia" ... and in this case, I am not provoking , I write what impression I have of that country ... but you want to convince me of the opposite, i.e. to say that this is what I came up with is impudent of you ...
            1. Panahkhan
              Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 53
              0
              You're lying !!! Born in the 90s and in the 90s he ran away and, moreover, he was also afraid of the newborn Russian standing in line for bread :))))))))))))))

              who are you kidding?
              1. Skarte
                Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 00
                +3
                I was born in 87, left in 96 ... I lived in Ahmedlah, the house was inhabited by the military, they were all taken out in the early 90s, then the house was inhabited by your citizens who came from the province and then the real joy of being of that place began ... about which I said above ...
                Why is 100 thousand left!

                And how many Russians left ??? And how many Azerbaijanis moved to Russia ???
                1. Panahkhan
                  Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 50
                  +2
                  And so if you lived in Ahmedlah, then you are not quite from a wealthy family in material terms. In the 90s, not only Russians left, but also many of my Azerbaijanis neighbors in Germany, Russia and Israel. We had an apartment in Ahmedlah when they destroyed houses on Sovetskaya. In the 90s, everyone was feeling lazy, because people could not support their families. The Jews left not because they were tormented, but for a better life. Like Russians like Azerbaijanis.

                  You yourself indirectly admit that you came from a province, and why? How do they say pigs huh? They came because people had nothing to eat. I stood in line with coupons for butter and meat. Including bread.

                  But you forgot to tell one truth. About refugees. Many houses that were not completed, refugees already moved in there. Do you remember the unfinished 16th floor then which, after a landslide, moved a couple of meters?

                  And now about the main thing, do you think the refugees did not know whose hand it was that they ran away from their lands, abandoned their homes?

                  Do not know who is to blame for this? Think .........
            2. xetai9977
              10 June 2013 16: 06
              0
              skarte
              Now my neighbor Viktor Ivanovich is sitting with me, surprised at your words! His daughter moved to Moscow 3 years ago, and returned a year later. You couldn’t live there. You just remember 1990, the bloody entry of troops in Baku. They didn’t even spare the groom and the bride. Their graves are nearby, in Nagorny Park.
              1. Skarte
                Skarte 10 June 2013 16: 35
                +4
                Yes, I remember all these events. I am not saying that this affected every Russian. And it's good that Viktor Ivanovich was not affected. I have acquaintances Russians stayed in Azerbaijan, they still live, they have not been touched and are not touched ... I said that I got (they did not beat me) only called names and shouted "get back to Russia", perhaps it depended on the place where , who lived ... Some lived in Primorsk, others in the 6th microdistrict, a house along the main street, under it there was also a police station ... And it caught me in Akhmedli. I do not hate Azerbaijanis, only a residue remains
                1. xetai9977
                  10 June 2013 16: 44
                  +4
                  And you analyze! How many Azerbaijanis offended you before the events of 1990? And now they do not offend anyone. And all the current tensions between our countries are solely due to the openly pro-Armenian policies of the Russian leadership. God don’t understand whose interests they cherish - Russia or Armenia, which sits with a stone on the neck of your country and doesn’t think to get down from there
                  1. Skarte
                    Skarte 10 June 2013 16: 51
                    0
                    I don’t see the point in supporting Armenia, apparently the Russian government knows better, maybe just old commitments ... I live in Astrakhan and there are a lot of Azerbaijanis and Armenians. And horror, it was such a surprise for me when they, here, in Russia were biting because of Karabakh, living in a completely different state.
                2. Skarte
                  Skarte 10 June 2013 16: 45
                  0
                  It was all thanks to the efforts of Elchibey, under Aliyev, the situation changed ... where did Elchibey then slander !? Is it to Turkey ?!
                  1. Skarte
                    Skarte 10 June 2013 17: 05
                    -2
                    My purely personal opinion, the problems of Karabakh should be solved only between two countries, BUT without blood, otherwise it has been shed so much lately, moreover it’s innocent, but will this solution be bloodless !? And nobody knows that.
                  2. xetai9977
                    10 June 2013 17: 15
                    +2
                    You are simply not informed. The first visit of Elchibey as president was to Russia. His first decree was to protect the rights of national minorities. He pardoned and handed over to Russia 12 Russian saboteurs who, as part of Armenian troops, tried to blow up bridges. He died in 2000.
                    1. Skarte
                      Skarte 10 June 2013 18: 16
                      +2
                      Yes, and I read another ...
                      In foreign policy, Elchibey took an anti-Russian and anti-Iranian position. He articulated the idea of ​​uniting independent Azerbaijan with South Azerbaijan, which is part of Iran. On September 12, 1992, he paid a visit to Moscow, during which the "Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Mutual Security between the Republic of Azerbaijan and the Russian Federation" was signed. At the same time, he refused to speak Russian and negotiated through an interpreter. In early December, he visited Kiev, where Elchibey and Ukrainian President Leonid Kravchuk signed the "Treaty of Friendship and Cooperation between Ukraine and the Republic of Azerbaijan." A week before his visit to Ukraine at the II Congress of the Popular Front, Elchibey said that in foreign policy the Republic of Azerbaijan will focus on strengthening ties with the United States and Great Britain, and "as for the republics of the former Union, priority will be given to Ukraine."
                      1. xetai9977
                        10 June 2013 19: 49
                        0
                        And you look at it from a different angle. The country waged a difficult war., In which Russia was openly on the side of the enemies. And Ukraine was one of those few countries that supplied us with such necessary weapons at that moment.
                      2. Skarte
                        Skarte 10 June 2013 20: 16
                        +1
                        Armenians are cunning. Russia was on the side of Armenia for only one reason, my assumption ... Armenia ratified the CIS agreement on February 18, 1992, provided that Russia supported them in the conflict ... Elchibey categorically refused to join the CIS, Azerbaijan ratified September 24, 1993 already at how Heydar Aliyev broke through the authorities ... Now, if Elchibey hadn’t included his nationalism and entered the CIS a year earlier, it’s not known how history would have turned ... Under Heydar Aliyev, on May 5, 1994 the Bishkek Armistice Protocol was signed and Russian peacekeepers ...
      2. Yarbay
        Yarbay 10 June 2013 09: 38
        +2
        Quote: Skarte
        But Russians are not enemies for you ??

        Of course not enemies!
        I am talking about country politics !!
        Quote: Skarte
        I was born in Baku and in the 90s urgently ran away from there, because you Azerbaijanis drove everyone and everything ..

        Why is 100 thousand left!
        For some reason, my neighbors have remained, still !!
        Quote: Skarte
        I couldn’t go for bread; they threw stones at me.

        do not tell tales)))
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 56
          +1
          Of course he tells tales.
          The Russians left the country as did Azerbaijanis and others, because after the collapse it was difficult to live in Baku and in Azerbaijan as a whole. There was a deficit of everything. There was no work. It was hard for the people. Yes, and people were starving.

          That's why they left.

          And this type writes that he was born in the 90s and was afraid to go in line for bread. Himself harnessed the stroller and come on for the bread.

          Maybe your father saved your family, but not from Azerbaijanis, but because of the situation in the country.

          Tell the truth!!! Here, not all greens are sold !!! Do not communicate with suckers !!!
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 09
            +3
            I already wrote to you whom I was years old and where I lived, it was 94-95 and if you know how to count, then I was not 1 year old ... and your sarcasm can be taken as an insult ... if you do not want to believe, yours Problems
            1. Our
              Our 30 December 2013 23: 05
              +1
              and why is it a 7-8 year old boy to send to the store in troubled times?
          2. Skarte
            Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 12
            0
            Yes, bring me a quote from my comments, where it was said that I was born in the 90s ??? I can give you how it was written
            I was born in Baku and in the 90s urgently ran away from there
            ...
        2. Skarte
          Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 03
          0
          do not tell tales)))
          Unfortunately, I can’t prove it, you don’t believe my words, and you can’t find those teenagers anymore ... But it's up to you to believe or not ... I say it was)
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay 10 June 2013 10: 25
            0
            Quote: Skarte
            Unfortunately, I can’t prove it, you don’t believe my words, and you can’t find those teenagers anymore ... But it's up to you to believe or not ... I say it was)

            it means a lot of vomiting and peers mutuzi you))))))

            Something Sanych no one dared to offend!
            He is here on the site, I believe him more !!)))
            1. Skarte
              Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 33
              +4
              I never "drove out" ... I clearly wrote how the native Bakuvians behaved, they helped us to leave and how the Azerbaijanis who came from the provinces and who settled in that house behaved ... many Russians left the area, as it was in I don't know the rest of the parts. I have quoted a phrase that was repeatedly shouted at us ...
              1. Panahkhan
                Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 06
                0
                And now I will tell you SCART one story.
                My aunt had 2 apartments in those days. In 1, insolently climbed, or rather, the refugees invaded and no one could drive them out of there. Even the court. And what do you say to that? And there weren’t such cases. Any Azerbaijani will confirm this to you. These were not those from the province, but REFUGEES from Armenia and Karabakh.

                I hope after my post, you will no longer speak any nonsense. Be honest.

                Because of your words, others draw conclusions about my country. And I love when they tell the truth.

                I hope we understand each other.
              2. Our
                Our 30 December 2013 23: 08
                +1
                not from the provinces but refugees who have lost their loved ones, mothers, fathers. running away from them and here live those who refrain from singing
            2. kotdavin4i
              kotdavin4i 10 June 2013 11: 16
              0
              Good afternoon Alibek, no one offends me even now, I am like in the "red book" - in good standing with the authorities. The 90s were difficult for everyone, no one argues - BUT to say so openly that they were persecuted is a LIE!
              1. Skarte
                Skarte 10 June 2013 13: 07
                +1
                you accuse me of lying, but you cannot refute my words, just as I did yours ... everyone saw the different sides of that conflict, you haven’t been touched, you’re living well now, I’m happy for you ... I’m living well and not complaining but that conflict didn’t pass me by, so my family left ... Why are you trying to say that I’m a liar, only based on what you saw ?? Then I can also say that you are a liar.
      3. Apollo
        Apollo 10 June 2013 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: Skarte
        I am not happy with Azerbaijan


        ..... I personally am not enthusiastic about you, dear man. You have written down my whole country directly as outcasts. Note that, unlike you, I have always been sympathetic and very respectful, I am and will be with Russia.
        1. Skarte
          Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 55
          +1
          Excuse me, but what impressions should I have left? Positive? Yes, I apologize for my generalization, now it’s completely different there ... but I wrote what kind of sediment remained with me, apparently there were just troubled times ... Now I want to see how Baku has changed, there is nostalgia ... But I also said that not all Azerbaijanis are the same ...
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 10 June 2013 11: 02
            +1
            Quote: Skarte
            Now I want to see how Baku has changed


            please



            1. Skarte
              Skarte 10 June 2013 11: 08
              +3
              I can find links to the video myself ... zaminusli, curious, all the same, the truth is clear and not pleasant!
              1. Apollo
                Apollo 10 June 2013 11: 36
                +2
                Quote: Skarte
                I can find links to the video myself ... zaminusli, curious, all the same, the truth is clear and not pleasant!


                Listen, you stubbornly oppress your line, namely, engage in provocation.
                Look carefully and do not drive the blizzard here.




                1. Skarte
                  Skarte 10 June 2013 12: 46
                  +5
                  and what should I see, I wrote that maybe it was not in all parts of Baku, maybe I ended up in such a part ... now you are trying to convince me that this allegedly did not happen to me ... stupid ... you do not believe my words, I also may not believe your words "that the Russians were not touched" ... you accuse me that I gathered everyone in one comb, but didn't you do that when the Armenians were slaughtered ... Many Armenians lived in Baku since the USSR, and did not give orders to the military about the occupation of Karabakh ... it was on the conscience of the rulers of Armenia ... but you slaughtered and drove ordinary people who did not participate in this ... and now you are trying to say that you white and fluffy and everyone around you provoked?
                  1. mansur
                    mansur 10 June 2013 13: 06
                    +2
                    ACCORDING TO THE REPORT OF THE CHAIR OF THE RUSSIAN COMMUNITY OF AZERBAIJAN MIKHAIL ZABELIN, in 2004 there were about 168 thousand Russians left in the country, while as of January 1, 1979 there were about 476 thousand citizens of Russian nationality in Azerbaijan, there were about 22 Russian settlements and settlements in 70 regions of the republic. In 1989, 392 thousand Russians lived in Azerbaijan (not counting other Russian-speakers), in 1999 - 176 thousand ...
                    Against this background, the mass of Azerbaijanis successfully settled in Russia, in Moscow. But this seemed not enough, and in January 2007 the Organization for the Liberation of Karabakh issued a threat to the Russians who remained in Azerbaijan. The threat was motivated by the alleged discrimination against their compatriots in Russia: "The situation of Azerbaijanis in all regions of Russia and, in particular, in the central cities, is deplorable. Trade facilities belonging to our compatriots are closed, those who try to open new ones are subject to checks, imposed on them. fines, searches and violence are carried out in the homes of Azerbaijanis. This insidious and cruel policy towards Azerbaijanis in Russia is carried out with the permission of officials and expresses their position, which is to completely evict Azerbaijanis from this country. (...)

                    We demand that the Russian leadership put an end to discrimination against our compatriots living in this country, otherwise the KLO will take concrete steps to suspend the activities of the Russian embassy in Baku and to evict Russians from Azerbaijan, "the message said.
                    1. smersh70
                      smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 36
                      -2
                      we are here about airplanes ....... and you're talking about yours again)))))))) you are still scary ..... but you seemed to be a lieutenant))))))))) well, you have nothing soon everything is ahead fellow
                    2. Semen Semyonitch
                      Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 22: 37
                      +3
                      Is the number of stars on uniform so important to you? A man sets out his point of view.
                    3. smersh70
                      smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: Semyon Semyonich
                      Is the number of stars on uniform so important to you? A man sets out his point of view.


                      here is a military site and everything should be like in the Army .... good
                      this is not a point of view ... but incitement. and provocation. my friend .....
                      as Suvorov said, that soldier is bad ... who does not dream of becoming a general ... drinks
                    4. Skarte
                      Skarte 11 June 2013 16: 02
                      +3
                      this is not a point of view ... but incitement. and provocation. my friend .....
                      and your attitude towards the Armenians, isn’t there something like that? you in each comment indicate that they are to blame! What do you advocate with this ?????
                    5. Arminian power
                      Arminian power 4 October 2013 20: 53
                      0
                      Quote: smersh70
                      here is a military site and everything should be like in the Army ....

                      da kiberasqyalllllllli wassat
  • Panahkhan
    Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 03
    +1
    Azik, my dear, I noticed that those who go against Russia do not insult them Russians. Have you ever seen a Russian insulting Chechens and Dagestanis? Units. Did you see Georgians being insulted? Units. Everyone scolds Saakashvili. What is this talking about?

    Enough with us sublimon. More precisely peaceability. They hate us so that we do not. Do you understand? Turkic factor.

    Until we begin to respect ourselves in full, the picture will remain the same. MARKET.
  • kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 10 June 2013 11: 12
    +3
    what do you mean, and I was born at 78, grew up, learned and serve my camp! and NOBODY has never pointed out to me that I am "not the titular nation" !!! AND NECESSARY HERE TO SPREAD NATIONALISM!
    1. Skarte
      Skarte 10 June 2013 13: 21
      +2
      Member of Milli Majlis - Azerbaijani parliament. He recalls that before there were more Russians in Azerbaijan. They began to leave the republic in the early 90s, when the Soviet Union collapsed and Azerbaijan fell under the influence of the National Democratic Party "Popular Front" ... A familiar party ??? Do you remember what they promoted ?? Yes, then they were ousted and Heydar Aliyev took over the presidency, he defended the Russians, but this does not mean that people in all corners of Azerbaijan who adhered to the ideas of the Popular Front and there were not a few of them, so apparently I got into the region, where people lived these views!
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 25
        +1
        Quote: Skarte
        and there were not a few of them, so apparently I got into the area where people of these views lived!



        Democracy is my friend ..... we are not living in a communist system .... so that everyone steps on the same music ..... recently Muscovites were accepted, so they were all against Putin ....... and what...... hi
        1. Skarte
          Skarte 10 June 2013 17: 18
          +2
          And whose democracy ?? Democracy is thoughts out loud. Communism, thoughts to oneself) As people had their own views on life, they will remain with them under any authority, it only depends on how loudly they speak them)
  • Arminian power
    Arminian power 4 October 2013 20: 41
    0
    And Turkey ?????????????????????????????????
    Quote: Yarbay
    Your enemies and I were not in alliance!
  • smersh70
    smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 35
    -1
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Former socialist republic, and the impression is that we see each other for the first time. It is a pity that Azerbaijan has other goals in politics!


    we don’t have any other goals .. besides living in peace and harmony with all peoples inside and in the neighborhood !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it’s a pity that only one neighbor does not understand this, .. ... well, nothing, soon this student will understand where the crayfish hibernate ..... fellow
  • Apollo
    Apollo 10 June 2013 10: 47
    +2
    Quote: Scandinavian
    Former socialist republic, and the impression is that we see each other for the first time. It is a pity that Azerbaijan has other goals in politics!


    So I don’t understand, you write as if Azerbaijan is an enemy of Russia. Azerbaijan in the most difficult times, was and will be next to Russia. Regarding the goals, it is one, to restore the territorial integrity of the republic. We didn’t chop off and we insolently occupied 20% of the territory .Azerbaijan will never come to terms with the occupation of its territory. This is not even discussed.Regardless of who will be in power in Azerbaijan, the return of the occupied territories has been and remains the main priority.
  • Lech from ZATULINKI
    Lech from ZATULINKI 10 June 2013 07: 49
    +3
    Azerbaijan needs modern weapons to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue once and for all.
    In this case, all arms manufacturers will warm their hands.
    In general, everything is as old as the world, in the dialogue - RIGHT THOSE WHO HAVE A 45-caliber COLT GUN.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 07: 52
      0
      Quote: Lech s ZATULINKI
      Azerbaijan needs modern weapons to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh issue once and for all.
      In this case, all arms manufacturers will warm their hands.

      You are right, but until recently everyone in the West stood in a proud pose, they say we won’t sell it!
      1. skeptic-
        skeptic- 10 June 2013 10: 08
        +1
        Quote: Yarbay
        You are right, but until recently everyone in the West stood in a proud pose, they say we won’t sell it!


        Hello everyone. Sorry to interfere in this conversation.
        The main reason for the change in the views of the West is the change in priority to a potential "organizer of CHAOS" in the Caucasus region. It did not grow together with Georgia, but together with Azerbaijan, you can wrap a LARGE ZAVARUSHKA, simultaneously in the Black Sea and Caspian basins. In addition to purely business - this topic will eventually be involved. request
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 10: 29
          +3
          Quote: skeptic
          The main reason for the change in the views of the West, in the change of priority to a potential "organizer of CHAOS" in the Caucasus region.

          My opinion, banal money!
          Now the West is in crisis!
          Look, they are writing off their weapons, they can’t buy for their MOs, production must be saved!
          And Azerbaijan is solvent and buys weapons in large quantities!
          They saw that Israel had already grabbed a big jackpot and now they want to!
          1. ayyildiz
            ayyildiz 10 June 2013 11: 05
            +1
            I consider not only money. Europe has understood the importance of Azerbaijan in this region! Azerbaijan is an important supplier of energy to Europe!
            1. Panahkhan
              Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 25
              +2
              This is one of the reasons but not the main one.
              The main goal of the West is that everyone be under them!
          2. Panahkhan
            Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 25
            +2
            Yarbai, my dear, they themselves created a crisis. Why? So that the rich become richer and the poor even poorer. That's all.

            target?

            put everyone on their knees and create a single supermega state in the world.


            to achieve this goal, what needs to be done?

            Namely, to remove from the heads of all their culture and traditions and faith.
            Juvenile justice, freedom for gays and lesbians, and much more.

            Why is this all done? to destroy countries.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 37
              0
              Well done Panahkhan !!!!!!!! for such a day such success !!!! bravo !!!!!!!!! I wish you to become an officer !!!))
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 10 June 2013 14: 13
                0
                Quote: smersh70
                Well done Panahkhan !!!!!!!! for such a day such success !!!! bravo !!!!!!!!! I wish you to become an officer !!!))

                Panahkhan for a day became in due time a senior officer))))))))
                Gardashdyr)))))))
        2. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 23
          +4
          Skeptic, there is truth in your words. Only the Azerbaijani government knows this too. Therefore, the main thing, if you want peace, get ready for war.

          Azerbaijani government is trying to peacefully resolve the Karabakh issue. The fruits are not small.

          1. Armenia is getting poorer every year in every sense. What is at hand for the government of Azerbaijan

          2. Armenians will soon begin to deviate from the position of one owner of the outpost to another. This cannot continue either.

          The West has 2 goals. Iran and closer to Russia. That's all.
          But Azerbaijan will never intervene in the war with Iran. For one reason. Many of them live there.
    2. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 39
      0
      Yes, Azerbaijan is waiting and sooner or later it will start a war for its lands. But what will be the position of Russia? I am sure that if someone in the year 41 from the countries of the former union would have sided with Hitler, you would not be pleased. If the Russian authorities want the second time to be Nazis, for God's sake. But do not forget that you sow and reap. For this reason, you are surrounded only by enemies. You have NO real friends. Even Belarus and Ukraine are not friends with you. What I will not say about Soviet times. Divide and conquer politics is good. But for the time being. Karabakh was originally Azerbaijani land.

      Even if, suppose Karabakh was not Azerbaijani, so what is it to find suckers among us? Then let's remember the story and return to everyone who and what belonged.

      Armenians do not live in their "primordial ancient Armenia", they run away, and then give them Karabakh.

      They proved that they can not live on their own. Give them the whole Caucasus and Transcaucasia, they still will not have their own I. They have lived all their history under the leadership of either the Turks or the Persians, and the last century, under the Russians.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 10: 09
        +1
        Quote: Panahkhan
        Armenians do not live in their "primordial ancient Armenia", they run away, and then give them Karabakh.


        here on the site is a cool article - The Great Exodus. Why Armenians do not want to live in their homeland, in the Opinion section .... and mind you, no neighbor there wrote a comment .... laughing to read this article to CARTRIDGE and others like him, who so advocates for Armenians))))
      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 10: 43
        0
        . If the Russian authorities want the second time to be Nazis, for God's sake.
        But from this place in more detail, please. When were they "Hitlerites" for the first time?
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 20
          +3
          1. Read about the siege of Irevan Khanate and how many years they condemned. 70 years old. Not a little? Read carefully and especially look how the former Irevan became Yerevan, and especially look at the pictures there you will see at least one church? But count how many minarets you see.

          2. Next, read about the deportation of Azerbaijanis from Irevan and Karabakh.
          Especially about Maraga.

          3. Next, look and read about Sumgait and about Eduard Grigoryan.

          4. Next, read about the January events of the 90th year, especially look at the pictures and then find SHAHIDLYAR HIYABANA in Google or Yandex and look there.

          Read everything and then continue the conversation.
  • gabatikuk
    gabatikuk 10 June 2013 07: 49
    +3
    "The military aviation of Azerbaijan occupies one of the leading positions in the region and in the entire post-Soviet space in terms of pilot training."





    Yes ... Yes, they are just assy, ​​they are the best! They are masters of their affairs to such an extent that during the last parade in Baku they asked the Israelis to fly together. As long as the Tellers, and new tales!
    1. xetai9977
      10 June 2013 07: 54
      +2
      And who is the author of this tale in your performance? unlike you, we don’t carry models in parades.
    2. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 10 June 2013 07: 57
      +7
      I didn’t think that my close friend, an Air Force officer, who flew a lot on the MiG-29, including one who participated in the parade, is an Israeli Air Force officer, how he disguises himself so well ...
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 24
        0
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        I didn’t think that my close friend, an Air Force officer, who flew a lot on the MiG-29, including one who participated in the parade, is an Israeli Air Force officer, how he disguises himself so well ...


        laughing drinks good
    3. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 24
      -1
      Quote: gabatikuk
      Yes ... Yes, they are just assy, ​​they are the best! They are masters of their affairs to such an extent that during the last parade in Baku they asked the Israelis to fly together. As long as the Tellers, and new tales!


      my friend ... read the Musavat newspaper less ........)))) the newspaper itself later gave a refutation.
      and about their skill, look when bombs fly on your head ... fellow
      1. Panahkhan
        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 43
        +1
        This is hysteria. Take it easy.
        They brought the Iskander type to the Russian base in Gyumri and the Armenians rejoice more)))) They say they’ll fly to Azerbaijan :) What do you expect from them after that?
      2. gabatikuk
        gabatikuk 10 June 2013 17: 31
        0
        I respected the Musavat newspaper, I have never read it, and your bombs and planes will not be able to fly on my head, they will simply be shot down if the airspace of Armenia is violated.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 21: 05
          0
          Quote: gabatikuk
          shot down in violation of the airspace of Armenia.


          yes)))) our planes have been flying over the occupied territories for a long time ..... and how many of your Pvoshniks received reprimands for this .....)))
          Well, you shoot only from the installations - "SLINGSHOT-700P" ...... fellow
          1. gabatikuk
            gabatikuk 10 June 2013 22: 03
            +3
            What are you talking about, probably about your sold UAV? Ours repaired and named "nver" -gift
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 10 June 2013 22: 19
              +1
              Quote: gabatikuk
              What are you talking about, probably about your sold UAV? Ours repaired and named "nver" -gift

              This adit? :)) Something doesn’t look like an Israeli one) oh, you Armenian stuntmen, they shot down their own UAV, and are glad. :) In general, they made a good face with a bad game. Beat your own so that the aliens are afraid, especially deliver the appearance, cut off the lamp post, solder the fan from the old air conditioner, weld a couple of wings and all? NERV turned out? )



              Azerbaijan now urgently needs to write a complaint to the UN, the Armenians staged the genocide of drones.

              PS Pay attention to the flag of the UAV which is in the "Ural" on the first photo, was too lazy to draw Azerbaijani? Have you left yours? :)
              1. smersh70
                smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 16
                +1
                Quote: Gooch
                This adit? :)) Something he does not look like in Israel) about



                and he is Comrade Judge flies on Armenian cognac .... laughing
            2. smersh70
              smersh70 10 June 2013 23: 18
              +1
              Quote: gabatikuk
              What are you talking about, probably about your sold UAV? Ours repaired and named "nver" -gift



              A military parade will be held in Baku on June 26, at which it is planned to demonstrate part of the modern unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) taken by the Azerbaijani armed forces in recent years.
              This was reported to APA in military sources.
              Along with tactical UAVs of the Aerostar type, mini-UAVs of the Orbiter-2M type made at local enterprises, the UAVs of the Heron and Hermes UAVs purchased from Israel will also take part in the parade.
              Note that the UAVs included in the arsenal of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were first shown to the public at the 2008 military parade.
              In 2011, in Baku, together with the Israeli company Aeronautics Defense, production of UAVs of the Aerostar and Orbiter-2M type was launched. In 2011-2012, Azerbaijan purchased Heron, Hermes-450, and Hermes-900 drones from Israel. A demonstration is planned at the parade. so compare June 26th, if we have such a bird))))) if there is a resemblance. I’ll put a box of beer .... no better canister of gasoline and diesel drinks
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    5. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 41
      +5
      We have at least the Israelis flying our planes under our flags. We, unlike you, are independent and have our own self. And in your parade Russian tanks with the Russian flag. Though I would be silent.

      Moscow, too, was not built immediately. Who will show what time.
      1. smersh70
        smersh70 10 June 2013 10: 11
        +1
        Quote: Panahkhan
        And in your parade Russian tanks with the Russian flag. Though I would be silent.



        and unih, Comrade Judge, in the parade the tanks were on tractors))) probably either there were no solariums, or there was no air to start fellow
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 11: 23
          +2
          Well, what were you waiting for dear? If they raise their masters from one raising of Russian gas with the words VON NZ ARMENNN, where do they get diesel fuel for tanks from? The Russians saved their faces. They found diesel fuel in the database))))))))) They did not share with the outpost)))))) And here in another topic the Armenians decided that they would share the Iskander))))) wahahaha
        2. gabatikuk
          gabatikuk 10 June 2013 17: 37
          -3
          once your sultan has started a phrase .. more precisely a fairy tale and they repeat until when to receive a new fairy tale.
  • cartridge
    cartridge 10 June 2013 07: 57
    +3
    Russia will not allow Karabakh to give back to Azerbaijan and arms purchases here will not help him. After the incident with the Gabala radar station, the last blinders fell from the eyes of the Kremlin and Azerbaijan took a firm place in the list of countries hostile to Russia.
    As for the possible appearance of Western weapons in the Aliyev army, over time, all of it will go to Russia either for study (if there is something to study) or for use, for resale to third countries. So it was with the army of Saakashvili, who was also promoted as a super-duper of the military sovereign of Transcaucasia.
    But as you can see Caucasians history does not teach anything.
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 10 June 2013 08: 11
      +5
      Good morning everyone that you are so attached to Gabala? according to modern doctrine and policy of the Russian Federation - all of its space tracking stations are located in Russia. In addition, the station worked for a rather long time and almost exhausted its resource, and it is less advisable to carry out modernization. And most importantly, this system is outdated.
      1. Army1
        Army1 11 June 2013 17: 40
        -2
        Quote: kotdavin4i
        Good morning everyone that you are so attached to Gabala? according to modern doctrine and policy of the Russian Federation - all of its space tracking stations are located in Russia. In addition, the station worked for a rather long time and almost exhausted its resource, and it is less advisable to carry out modernization. And the main thing is this system


        Yes, I personally don’t care on the radar, that’s not the point, it’s really old, the question is why did Baku suddenly decide to raise the rental price not 2 not 5 not 10, but 40 times?
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 11 June 2013 17: 56
          -2
          Quote: Army1
          it suddenly decided to Baku



          as in trade - the seller sets the price))) .. one could come to a common denominator .. as usual in trade again ..))). but Russia did not want .... and left ... her choice must be respected. .
          and now the counter question - why do we pay for Russian weapons with live money at world prices .. here the price was indicated - more than 2 billion dollars. well, we are not red)) all the same, we are in the CIS)) .. and you give freebies to Armenia to the detriment of the budget Russia ...... and discard us ....))))) but no ...))) these are the things))))
          1. Army1
            Army1 11 June 2013 18: 07
            +1
            Quote: smersh70
            as in trade - the seller sets the price))) .. one could come to a common denominator .. as usual in trade again ..))). but Russia did not want .... and left ... her choice must be respected. .

            Quickly you left the question however. The issue is the price, it was one that became many times more, again not 10 times, but more, somehow not according to the CIS.
            Quote: smersh70
            .a Armenia give free then to the detriment of the budget of Russia ...... and discard us ....))))) but no ...))) these are the things))))

            Not for free, but for a cheap price, since Armenia is a member state of the CSTO. Where did you get: "for free"?
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    2. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 08: 29
      0
      As for the possible appearance of Western weapons in the Aliyev army, over time, all of it will go to Russia either for study (if there is something to study) or for use, for resale to third countries. So it was with the army of Saakashvili, who was also promoted as a super-duper of the military sovereign of Transcaucasia.
      But apparently Caucasians history does not teach anything. [/ Quote]

      Don’t confuse your pocket with the state one! Comrade Saakhov said so laughing Our army. compared with the Georgian)) don’t tell me .. you don’t know the real situation .... we also have flaws. no one disputes ...... but to make sure you get up on the line of fire .... and see) )))))))))
      1. Sochi
        Sochi 10 June 2013 08: 50
        0
        It is interesting, where and in which wars gained experience, and the Azerbaijani army learned to win? is it possible in the markets trading in parsley? You are still not able to deal with Nagorno-Karabakh.
        1. kNow
          kNow 10 June 2013 09: 06
          0
          Quote: Sochi
          It is interesting, where and in which wars gained experience, and the Azerbaijani army learned to win? is it possible in the markets trading in parsley? You are still not able to deal with Nagorno-Karabakh.

          In the same Karabakh war, in constant exercises. We are in a position to deal with Karabakh. But as they say - "his example is another science", we do not want to be in the state of Georgia, we are waiting for a more suitable win-win moment.
          1. Sochi
            Sochi 10 June 2013 10: 55
            +1
            How many years has the conflict been inconclusive? And the end to this is not yet visible ...
          2. gabatikuk
            gabatikuk 10 June 2013 17: 39
            0
            dear you have to wait forever
            1. P-15
              P-15 10 June 2013 17: 44
              +1
              Nothing is eternal under the Moon.
              Everything has a beginning and a naturally logical end. I think we will not leave this problem to our descendants. So dear, it is very possible we will meet on the line of fire this century. Unless of course you change your mind.
        2. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 09: 24
          0
          Quote: Sochi
          It is interesting, where and in which wars gained experience, and the Azerbaijani army learned to win? is it possible in the markets trading in parsley? You are still not able to deal with Nagorno-Karabakh.


          and you will be neutral for 1 month .... look .... am . truth based on the fact that he left the city of Sochi ... it is clear whose ears are peeping ... wassat .
          1. P-15
            P-15 10 June 2013 17: 02
            +1
            Yes, there are no ears, brother, there is such a bearer, not even a bearer, but a whole BOKL like a rhino.
        3. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 47
          +3
          Who sells parsley and who mothers and sisters. Each has his own.
          Where and when and how to figure it out you'll see. We have nothing to lose. Already lost. So it will not be worse.
        4. Yarbay
          Yarbay 10 June 2013 10: 02
          0
          Quote: Sochi
          It is interesting, where and in which wars gained experience, and the Azerbaijani army learned to win? is it possible in the markets trading in parsley? You are still not able to deal with Nagorno-Karabakh.

          of course interesting !!!))
          Someone sells parsley, someone sleeps drunk and pissed in the porch!
          Someone is fighting, someone is writing books, someone is teaching children!

      2. Semen Semyonitch
        Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 11: 10
        +1
        Don’t confuse your pocket with the state one! Comrade Saahov said laughing our army. compared with the Georgian)) don’t tell me .. you don’t know the real situation .... we also have flaws. no one disputes ...... but to make sure you get up on the line of fire .... and see) )))))))))

        There are people with an inflamed imagination - do not be like them. Take the example of Yarbay. Do you call to stand on the line of fire? Even if it’s a joke, it’s very unsuccessful. And, God forbid, this scenario will come true, hold out not much longer than Georgia. Based on your statements, I realized that the war with Armenia is a matter of time. If most of you think so, then business is bad, for Russia and NATO will be involved in the conflict.
        1. P-15
          P-15 10 June 2013 17: 11
          +5
          I’m very interested, when Russia put things in order in Chechnya everyone called it a counter-terrorist operation to restore order and no NATO or anyone else intervened. And as we begin to bring the separatists to their senses on our territory (recognized by the same Russia and all other countries), so immediately Russia and NATO can intervene. What a fright ??? There is a good Russian proverb about this. They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their own charter.
          1. Semen Semyonitch
            Semen Semyonitch 10 June 2013 21: 47
            +2
            Quote: P-15
            I’m very interested, when Russia put things in order in Chechnya everyone called it a counter-terrorist operation to restore order and no NATO or anyone else intervened. And as we begin to bring the separatists to their senses on our territory (recognized by the same Russia and all other countries), so immediately Russia and NATO can intervene. What a fright ??? There is a good Russian proverb about this. They don’t climb into a strange monastery with their own charter.

            I agree with you. And I do not make any distinctions between Azerbaijan and Armenia. There is also a good Russian proverb: “Two fight, the third does not climb.” But Armenia is currently our strategic ally in the region and a member of the CSTO. With all the consequences ...
            1. Gooch
              Gooch 10 June 2013 21: 57
              +2
              Quote: Semyon Semyonich
              But Armenia at the moment is our strategic ally in the region and a member of the CSTO. With all the ensuing ...

              NKR is not a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization; accordingly, the agreement does not apply to its territory
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 10 June 2013 22: 31
              +2
              Quote: Semyon Semyonich
              But Armenia at the moment is our strategic ally in the region and a member of the CSTO. With all the consequences ..

              Yes, for God's sake, but you have chosen the country of the aggressor as your allies, you worry !!
              Honestly, I am ready to be in the forefront and will necessarily take my son!
              I agree to be the only victim of a future conflict, but if only it would start faster, while I still can! I believe in victory unconditionally !!
            3. P-15
              P-15 11 June 2013 08: 07
              0
              You did not carefully read my post, I wrote - on its territory.All occupied territories are Azerbaijani and this is recognized throughout the world. And no one is going to climb into Armenia. So the CSTO will have to just watch that the Azerbaijani armed forces do not go beyond their established borders. But having such neighbors as Armenia, I can give a 100% guarantee that they will do everything to draw Russia into this war. And I would really like Russia to not be led by such neighbors' maneuvers. And they are masters of this kind of tricks.
    3. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 46
      0
      Cartridge, you don’t have to make a sacrifice of yourself. What should I remember Iravan? Should I remember about Karabakh? Should I remember Sumgait? Do I remember the 90th of January?
      With such a neighbor and join NATO is not a sin!
      You shout too loudly about the resale of Azerbaijani weapons. Azerbaijan is not Georgia for you. Yes, and you have enough power for dwarf countries.
      Even Syria could not help. Dali back. I am silent about Iran and Lebanon. With such a dignity, I would be silent and not bother!
      I also found a hector.

      What have you been waiting for, they will bow at your feet for all that they have done?
  • pinecone
    pinecone 10 June 2013 07: 58
    +6
    The influence of the Armenian lobby certainly takes place.
    1. xetai9977
      10 June 2013 08: 03
      0
      And how much does Russia win by listening to the Armenian lobby?
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 10 June 2013 08: 42
        +9
        And what will we gain if we listen to you ???
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 09: 59
          +3
          I'm glad you wrote that. What do you win. Thank you for honestly confessing who you are. The penny of your FRIENDSHIP is worthless.

          You do not understand that from your writings, certain individuals draw conclusions. You are so ignorant and stupid that you openly write that Russia will have what if it listens to us.

          Thanks to Scarta.

          Once again, I concluded myself who you are !!!
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 10 June 2013 10: 17
            +2
            I concluded that you are not a well-mannered person ... If you can insult so unfoundedly ... you don’t know how to accept someone else’s point of view, you don’t know how to communicate normally, you try to make fun of everything ... learn restraint!
        2. xetai9977
          10 June 2013 19: 56
          +1
          So far, you are losing HUGE MONEY.
      2. svp67
        svp67 10 June 2013 08: 48
        +5
        Quote: xetai9977
        And how much does Russia win by listening to the Armenian lobby?
        Exactly as much as not listening to you ... Here 50 \ 50 ...
        1. Panahkhan
          Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 01
          +1
          Nothing wrong. There are many arms sellers in the world. Do not want money, for God's sake, give to those who want.

          For it is not a sin to begin the trans-Caspian pipeline. Understand what is not to listen.
  • Prophetic
    Prophetic 10 June 2013 08: 22
    -2
    Pilots periodically undergo internships in foreign countries.

    Azerbaijanis are preparing for the implementation of their part of the US project "Greater Middle East". The owner said "fas", the bug said "woof". They hope to cut themselves a solid piece at the expense of Iran. My question is: what the hell are our potential opponents' organizations doing in Moscow? It is high time to check them for funding from abroad.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 09: 26
      +1
      Quote: Prophetic
      Azerbaijanis are preparing for the implementation of their part of the US project "Greater Middle East".


      first, we would still have to deal with the restoration of our territorial integrity ...... but we do not pretend to a piece of Iran ..... let the US understand .... hi
    2. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 03
      +4
      Prophetic, when Hitler attacked the USSR and when the whole Soviet Union began to fight against fascism, is this also a project of the USA?)))))))))))))))

      Since when has the US been our master? If they were our masters, then Karabakh and Armenia as a whole would not exist.

      Thanks for your post, neighing!
  • Skarte
    Skarte 10 June 2013 09: 18
    +1
    Quote: Yarbay
    Your enemies and I were not in alliance!

    Yes, it’s strange ... Turkey-Azerbaijan cooperate very closely and Turkey actively supported Azerbaijan during the conflict ... And as you know, Turkey is a member of NATO and indirectly our enemy ... In the entire Russian-Turkish history, there has never been an alliance, but there were only warriors and always in favor of Russia: D There, Turkey openly assented to the USA, trying with all its might to show that it was their ally!
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Skarte
      Yes strange

      Nothing strange, we began to cooperate with Turkey after the fact that Russia officially became an ally of Armenia and much later!
      And Azerbaijan is not included in the military bloc of the enemies of Russia!
      The difference is huge!
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 09: 42
      +3
      Quote: Skarte
      Yes, it is strange ... Turkey-Azerbaijan cooperate very closely and Turkey actively supported Azerbaijan during the conflict ... And as you know, Turkey


      and we from Russia for 2 years bought weapons for $ 2 billion .... and one of the parades that were massively held ... Russian officers helped ... they have extensive experience in conducting these parades .... and there was not a single Turkish officer ...........So what.................. hi
      1. Panahkhan
        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 10: 05
        +1
        What are you upset about? Nobody think you sell planes? The Swedes are ready to sell the upgraded version of Saab to Azerbaijan. And many others. Ukraine is ready to supply engines for the Sino-Pakistan project. They are ready to sell. And many others.
    3. Alexandr0id
      Alexandr0id 10 June 2013 10: 16
      11
      Quote: Skarte
      trying hard to show that she is their ally!

      so she is an ally - they are in one block. By the way, we are constantly conducting joint exercises with this unit, how can I explain this?
      Quote: Skarte
      In the entire Russian-Turkish history, there has never been a union, but there were only warriors and always in favor of Russia

      how can people refer to history without knowing where such self-confidence comes from?
      there were wars with the Ottoman Empire, in fact, with the Turkish Republic under Lenin and Kemal, there were allied relations, albeit for a short time. The Russian-Ottoman confrontation can be divided into 2 periods - the Russian-Crimean (16-17 centuries), in which the score is rather in favor of the Crimean khans (Moscow was burning, hundreds of thousands of Russians in slave markets, tribute had to be sent to the Crimea), and the Russian -Ottoman (18-20 century according to the first world), in which the score was in favor of Russia, but with a couple of defeats - the Prut campaign of 1712 and the Crimean war of 1853. And there was also such an episode of the Napoleonic wars as the "second coalition", where Russia and the Ottoman Empire were allies.
      but in general, to invent enemies based on the events of bygone years, ignoring the current relationship, in my opinion is wrong. So we and Germany must be recorded as enemies, and Finland, and the Mongols TMI remember.
  • borisjdin1957
    borisjdin1957 10 June 2013 10: 16
    -2
    from Don.y behind him, Getzropa somewhere nearby, the loot is pouring, rushing lads !!!
    Just in case, not the weapon is at war, but the people who control it!
  • Vtel
    Vtel 10 June 2013 10: 19
    +2
    The number of weapons always grows into quality - into war. But the main director here is not Armenia and Azerbaijan, but cooks from Israel and Washington and London. Most likely, Russia will have to separate it.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 10 June 2013 11: 10
    +4
    Quote: Panahkhan
    But what will be the position of Russia

    Russia will support Armenia, no doubt! And with what a fright it should be different.
    Moreover, the Azerbaijani authorities themselves strive for [b] NOT ALLIANCE WITH RUSSIA [/ b].
    "... in Baku they fear that in the event of a possible escalation of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Russia will intervene on the side of Armenia. Moreover, the political scientist considers this to be the most likely option of all possible. “Until recently, speaking about the most preferable line of behavior for Moscow, one could consider the option of neutrality. But the recent deterioration of relations between Moscow and Baku brings to the fore the version that Russia will intervene on the side of its strategic ally and partner - Armenia "..."
    [b] See. [/ b [b]] http://www.regnum.ru/news/1661444.html [/ b]
    1. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 48
      0
      1) Tell me 2 reasons why Azerbaijan should be in alliance with Russia. I'm just curious what reasons you list.
      2) And then tell me 2 reasons why you consider Armenians your allies.
      3) And then tell me by what criteria should a friendly alliance between countries be built?
      I really look forward to an answer to my questions. If not difficult, write the answer.

      I will give you advice, if you will, before you answer, think carefully about how I would use your words against you and then how you would not look, to put it mildly, you would not look from the bad side.

      Think carefully before answering.
      1. Panahkhan
        Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 22
        0
        Thank you for not answering my questions.

        Believe me, I would be ashamed then of what I wrote above.
  • Semurg
    Semurg 10 June 2013 11: 14
    +5
    Azerbaijan is waiting in the wings to resolve the issue of the occupied territories, but for now it’s getting ready and buying weapons. Armenia, due to economic weakness, cannot do this and relies on Russia completely in this matter. Russia can guarantee only the integrity and inviolability of Armenia itself, but not of Karabakh, on this site do Russians often confuse the protection of Armenia itself as a member of the Collective Security Treaty Organization and Karabakh of part of the territory of Azerbaijan, or Russians do not confuse but are ready to participate in the occupation of part of Azerbaijan? Russians often look for what is above the battle and they just don’t need a war on the southern border, but why then they don’t make efforts to resolve the Karabakh issue (maybe they can, maybe they don’t want, or maybe they are indirectly pushing for war to close this issue, or maybe they benefit from tension) in general, it’s clear that the matter is dark.
  • valokordin
    valokordin 10 June 2013 11: 15
    +2
    Quote: Vtel
    The number of weapons always grows into quality - into war. But the main director here is not Armenia and Azerbaijan, but cooks from Israel and Washington and London. Most likely, Russia will have to separate it.

    All that has happened and will happen is the consequences of the betrayal of Hunchback and Elzind, as well as their minions, damned and there is nothing to be done, you will have to force everyone to peace, and this is blood, blood and much more blood. Wake up Putin, how much misfortune Russia is everywhere, and you are not 37 years old, finally grasp power and justice in the interests of the people, not your bourgeois.
  • Algor73
    Algor73 10 June 2013 11: 39
    +3
    Relations between Azerbaijan and Armenia have always been complicated. And now they are entering the final phase in complexity - they are intensely preparing for war. Russia openly took the position of Armenia. Azerbaijan is forced to seek help in other countries, primarily NATO countries. I doubt that it will be possible to avoid a military conflict. If Russia gets involved, it will be necessary to prepare for terrorist attacks, etc. The main thing is that this issue does not go to a peaceful settlement - neither Russia, nor Europe, nor America show interest. And if it explodes, it is doubtful that only these two countries will be hooked.
    1. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 12: 01
      0
      Algor, Russia is forced to save Armenia, as we take our Karabakh, the next day, not a hundred Armenians in the center of Yerevan will hold posters with the inscription RUSSIA VON FROM ARMENIA but in their thousands. If by then not everyone would run away from Armenia. Plus, Armenia will be the first country in the post of Soviet space that will be vehemently requested by NATO and which will give the green light to the American missile defense system.

      When the Kremlin did not live up to the hopes of the Armenians, there was a terrorist attack in the Moscow metro. This story was still under the king.

      Russia will have a question
      1. Lose an outpost Armenia
      2. Have good and warm and friendly relations with Azerbaijan (Azerbaijanis know how to be grateful)

      But the question is, paragraph 1 is not eternal, the Armenians already everywhere show their dissatisfaction and it will be more difficult to keep this outpost every year. The lever of pressure will turn into a lever of hatred.
    2. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 07
      +1
      Elena Kasumova, assistant professor of political science at the Academy of Public Administration under the President of Azerbaijan:

      - If international analysts departed from the private problems of the negotiation process, the main question today would be obvious: is Armenia ready to begin the liberation of illegally occupied territories? The answer is also predictable: no, not ready. Only serious political pressure from the outside, which the main political patron, the Russian Federation, can exert on it. In the modern world of double standards, it is naive to think that states, which are “centers of power”, are pursuing someone else's interests, rather than their own, in resolving any political conflict. But today, Russian interests in the South Caucasus, realized mainly through Armenia, are exposed to serious risks due to their ambivalent, i.e. dual politics of Yerevan. Incompatible active membership in the Collective Security Treaty Organization, with which Yerevan “intimidates” neighbors, with intensive cooperation with NATO. And Moscow’s explicit invitation to take part in the integration processes in the post-Soviet space is clearly contrary to Yerevan’s insistent desire to sign an associate membership agreement with the European Union. By the way, Russia also loses a lot from Armenia’s annoying desire to achieve relative energy independence, not only by modernizing its own energy sector with Western money, but also by purchasing more expensive Iranian gas than Russian. And here is the result - Russia is raising gas prices for its “faithful ally”.

      But the main thing is happening on a purely political plane. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov makes an almost sensational statement: "The status quo means not only the unresolved issue of the return of Azerbaijani territories, but also the economic blockade of Armenia, so there is no need to convince anyone of the unacceptability of this status." Through the lips of the Russian Foreign Minister, Moscow for the first time, in fact, is in solidarity with the position of Azerbaijan, insisting that the issue of releasing Armenia separately from the liberation of the occupied territories cannot be considered. All this can be seen as a factor of political pressure on Yerevan, which should play a role in the Karabakh settlement.
  • Yeraz
    Yeraz 10 June 2013 12: 12
    +3
    Buying such an expensive weapon is money once and even more is tying this country to you, because these planes need to be serviced.
    As a citizen of the Russian Federation, why should I participate in the maintenance of Armenia to lose the money of Azerbaijan?
    Many here shouting we will help Armenia, well, I’ll look at what kind of buzz you will send young Russian guys and how they will go there. It won’t work, acc. With Georgia, when the Chechen Yamadayev battalions dispersed the Georgians, send Muslims against the Muslims especially for Armenians, no one he won’t sit and browse the Internet, let’s go, we’ll go to war, but we’ll see how Russian mothers will be ready to give their sons' lives for the occupying Armenians.
  • maxbrov74
    maxbrov74 10 June 2013 12: 59
    +4
    I came to a conclusion. So that we do not do good for Russia, they will never appreciate it and will not even say thank you. More than once I didn’t see any of the Russians here, I wrote thanks to the Azerbaijani authorities for spending money in our shelters in Russia for our orphans, for repairing schools, for giving so many resources for nothing during the Great Patriotic War , human lives and much more.


    I have come to the conclusion that the Azerbaijani authorities, together with no less worthy Azerbaijani peasants, should bow at the feet of the Russian people for the contribution to your economy that our people are investing at exorbitant prices for the gifts from your gardens in our markets. And forgives (for the time being, of course, of course) all sorts of assaults from proud hunchbacked guys who stubbornly get into someone else’s monastery with their own charter.
    Well, in general, we could and thank you for almost 200 years of cultural prosperity and economic growth.

    Damn ... I read the comments, some non-Russian flags. Gentlemen, who did not understand this - "Russian Military Review", so be polite and when inserting quotes try not to spit in the feeding hand.
    1. Yeraz
      Yeraz 10 June 2013 13: 11
      +2
      Quote: maxbrov74
      I came to a conclusion. So that we do not do good for Russia, they will never appreciate it and will not even say thank you. More than once I didn’t see any of the Russians here, I wrote thanks to the Azerbaijani authorities for spending money in our shelters in Russia for our orphans, for repairing schools, for giving so many resources for nothing during the Great Patriotic War , human lives and much more.


      I have come to the conclusion that the Azerbaijani authorities, together with no less worthy Azerbaijani peasants, should bow at the feet of the Russian people for the contribution to your economy that our people are investing at exorbitant prices for the gifts from your gardens in our markets. And forgives (for the time being, of course, of course) all sorts of assaults from proud hunchbacked guys who stubbornly get into someone else’s monastery with their own charter.
      Well, in general, we could and thank you for almost 200 years of cultural prosperity and economic growth.

      Damn ... I read the comments, some non-Russian flags. Gentlemen, who did not understand this - "Russian Military Review", so be polite and when inserting quotes try not to spit in the feeding hand.

      Oppa started again, we pulled them out of the mountains, washed, dressed, etc. Even I will not comment on this.
      And about the contribution to the economy of Azerbaijan, work hard, google the structure of the economy of Azerbaijan and understand the Russian contribution. And especially about the fruits, thanks to the sales that TIPO lives in Azerbaijan, just don’t fall off the chair when you see the share of these sales in the economy . Enlighten more and do not live illusions of hysterotypes.

      Regarding the Russian military site. The site says that there can only sit and discuss residents of Russia or Russian nationality, to which your complaints are to the admin.
    2. Gooch
      Gooch 10 June 2013 13: 15
      +2
      Quote: maxbrov74
      I have come to the conclusion that the Azerbaijani authorities, together with no less worthy Azerbaijani peasants, should bow at the feet of the Russian people for the contribution to your economy that our people are investing at exorbitant prices for the gifts from your gardens in our markets. And forgives (for the time being, of course, of course) all sorts of assaults from proud hunchbacked guys who stubbornly get into someone else’s monastery with their own charter.

      We look at the summary of the state plan for 1989. tell more tales about investing at exorbitant prices and contributions to the economy.
    3. Panahkhan
      Panahkhan 10 June 2013 14: 20
      +3
      maxbrov74: As I understand it, you are 74 years old. And write to her God that you are in school. So.

      In the first, open the Internet and read about the state of Caucasian Albania, its structure, culture, architecture and all that. And then compare with yours.

      In the 2nd I heard about the camp of the UAE? (Dubai and Abu Dhabi) They lived 50 years ago, lived worse than you did when you lived in Atropaten times 1000 years ago. They lived by fishing and roaming camels with their camels. Now go and tell them that those who build you skyscrapers taught you to live in a civilized way. You will either be sent or thought you are not friends with your head.

      So now you are trying to prove to me that Nizami Ganjavi, Nyasimi and other poets of Azerbaijan, the Russians taught the story to do.

      In Baku there is the GIRL TOWER, the palace of the Shirvanshahs. Compare these buildings that were built 1000 years ago and compare what buildings you had 1000 years ago. And you want to say you taught us this? Do not make me laugh for God's sake.

      And what you built for everything, you took 1000 times more money.
      Free cheese only in a mousetrap happens winked
    4. xetai9977
      10 June 2013 16: 31
      +2
      MORE, in the days of the Union, only 3 republics were self-sufficient - Russia, Azerbaijan, Ukraine. Russia never fed and did not subsidize Azerbaijan. You confuse us with Armenia, which you still feed at your own expense and will feed you for a long time, if not forever.
    5. Our
      Our 30 December 2013 23: 55
      +1
      Minus you from me. to be not with Russia does not mean to be backward. This is what annoys our neighbors with arrogance. They didn’t recognize China. They laughed. And now. They already grind our teeth. Azerbaijan did not betray anyone. With whom it was friends until the end.
  • Sochi
    Sochi 10 June 2013 13: 15
    0
    Quote: smersh70
    and you will be neutral for 1 month .... look ....

    There are strategic interests, Russia takes them into account ... Therefore, it supports Armenia (although in my opinion it’s in vain). If only the interests of Russia were supported by Azeibardzhan, then this is not a question. And ears, nobody's sticking out, these are your hallucinations.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 10 June 2013 13: 42
      +2
      SOCHI !!!!!!! but what about the grammar))) so many mistakes ..... I swear someone writes non-Russian nationality)))))
      but about the second part of your judgment !!!!!!!!! I'm just in shock! keep it up !!!!!!!!
      1. Skarte
        Skarte 10 June 2013 13: 47
        +2
        You are following your grammar and syntax. You have errors too.
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 10 June 2013 15: 31
          +1
          Quote: Skarte
          You follow your grammar and syntax



          I actually wrote Sochi ..... and you, if you please, ask ..... signed up for voluntary lawyers))) ... it seems we are fighting here with one person .... fellow
          1. Skarte
            Skarte 10 June 2013 15: 37
            +2
            No, I didn’t record. In my understanding, if someone points out errors, he must write without errors! Well, okay, really, I'm not getting into my own business.
            1. smersh70
              smersh70 10 June 2013 16: 18
              +2
              Scarte ..... plus I put !!!!!))))
          2. Army1
            Army1 11 June 2013 17: 58
            +2
            Quote: smersh70
            we are fighting here with one person ...

            Are you going to fight here? Let's get real then. Anya these Internet wars, measured by someone longer
      2. Sochi
        Sochi 11 June 2013 15: 04
        +1
        I am a crest. And I’m not writing a dictation.
      3. Army1
        Army1 11 June 2013 17: 54
        +1
        Quote: smersh70
        SOCHI !!!!!!! but what about the grammar))) so many mistakes ..... I swear someone writes non-Russian nationality)))))
        but about the second part of your judgment !!!!!!!!! I'm just in shock! keep it up !!!!!!!!

        SOMETHING, well this is for reference. Nobody obliges you.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 10 June 2013 13: 51
      +2
      Quote: Sochi
      There are strategic interests

      the fact of the matter is that this does not coincide with the strategic interests of Russia!
      But this was left as a legacy from Yeltsin, and you couldn’t drive out * an ally * just like that !!
      Russia was in a difficult position on this issue!
  • Orel
    Orel 10 June 2013 13: 32
    0
    Perhaps Azerbaijan will not even buy foreign weapons. All the same, one should not lose sight of the influence that Russia has in this region. Azerbaijan needs an ally in the person of Russia, by virtue of Iran’s gaining power and already fully strengthened China. Neither the USA, nor Europe, in this region will provide such support and protection of their interests for Azerbaijan as Russia can provide. Therefore, we will not be so critical, as long as there is a Karabakh problem, the armies of Armenia and Azerbaijan should be strengthened very carefully ...
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  • smersh70
    smersh70 11 June 2013 22: 31
    +4
    A military parade will be held in Baku on June 26, at which it is planned to demonstrate part of the modern unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) taken by the Azerbaijani armed forces in recent years.

    This was reported to APA in military sources.
    Along with tactical UAVs of the Aerostar type, mini-UAVs of the Orbiter-2M type made at local enterprises, the UAVs of the Heron and Hermes UAVs purchased from Israel will also take part in the parade.
    Note that the UAVs included in the arsenal of the Azerbaijani Armed Forces were first shown to the public at the 2008 military parade.
    In 2011, in Baku, together with the Israeli company Aeronautics Defense, production of UAVs of the Aerostar and Orbiter-2M type was launched. In 2011-2012, Azerbaijan purchased Heron, Hermes-450, and Hermes-900 drones from Israel. A demonstration is planned at the parade.