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Russian accent Finnish huntsmenWith cadet Sergey Ilyukhin and private Ilya Tiitto, natives of Sortavala and Petrozavodsk, we met in Helsinki on the island of Santahamin, in the Guards Chasseur Regiment of the Finnish Ground Forces. Sergey, a military specialist in communications and a civil engineer, completed his military service, was preparing to go to the reserve in the rank of junior lieutenant in a couple of weeks, and Ilya, the driver of an armored personnel carrier, still continued to pull the soldier’s straps. the stock was not very much - only a month and a half.


They were presented by the Russian delegation headed by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu after we visited the barracks where recruits live, the commander of the Chasseurs regiment Colonel Pekka Saariho. “You can speak Russian with these soldiers,” said the colonel.

Finnish warriors introduced themselves to the Minister of Defense. They told him who they were and where they were from, how they turned out to be in the country of Suomi and what they like about their military service. Then, when the main group of our delegation switched to other objects that the hosts showed us, I talked with Sergey Ilyukhin for a few minutes, as far as time allowed. His monologue about himself and about service in the Finnish army - a little later. And now a little more about Sergey Shoigu’s visit to our friendly Finland.

PROTOCOL

The visit was very short. Only for one day. But according to the protocol of the visit, drawn up in advance and agreed upon, our head of the military department managed to do quite a lot during this time. He met and held talks with his young colleague, Finnish Minister of Defense Carl Christopher Haglund (born 1979), and exchanged views on a wide range of issues, ranging from the situation in Syria and Afghanistan, the expansion of NATO and the strengthening of European security and ending with the problems of military and military-technical cooperation between the two armies and states.

Sergei Shoigu laid wreaths at the grave of the famous son of Suomi, her prominent military, political and state leader - Lieutenant-General of the Russian Imperial Army, Marshal of Finland, who fought against our country before and during World War II, and its President from March 1944 to August 1946 years of Carl Gustav Emil Mannerheim. He visited the Helsinki parliament and in the absence of the head of state, who is now on a trip from the country, met there and held talks with Foreign Minister Erkki Tuomioja. Then he moved to the island of Santakhamina already mentioned by us, where he became acquainted with the training system of the armed forces of this country and, in particular, the Guards Chasseur Regiment of the Finnish Ground Forces.

Our neighbors showed the Russian defense minister not only military equipment in service with the Finnish army, but also how hot Finnish guys live and serve, and by the way, girls too. In the battle formation, including in the company of the guard of honor, who met Sergei Shoigu at the memorial complex "Hietaniemi", no less than 10% of women.
And if there is a universal military duty for the guys in the country of Suomi, everyone should serve, except, naturally, the sick and maimed, up to 30 years, then the girls enter the military service voluntarily. And serve with all on equal terms. Is that the barracks and showers they have separate.

TERRORISTS ARE REMAINED BY SCIENCE

And the fact that Finnish guys, like girls, dressed in camouflage and pretty well equipped with various kinds weapons and combat support systems, can actually operate with high dynamism and tension, Sergey Shoigu was shown by guards huntsmen in a planned or arranged in honor of the Russian minister ostentatious occupation. On the territory of the regiment there is a special building, arranged inside as an apartment dormitory of the corridor type. As conceived by the leaders of the classes, it was allegedly captured by terrorists, and the gallant huntsmen, rushing into the house, deafeningly firing their machine guns (of course, with blank cartridges), freed up room after room. And then, using special devices, they descended through the manhole into the basement, where they also “soaked” a certain number of “terrorists”.

The roar from idle shots of machine guns in the closed room of the training center was deafening, the cries of the jaegers, who were supposed to stun the invaders, also exceeded all permissible decibels. And the one who previously did not get saving headphones or earplugs, came out of this house a little deaf after the end of the showroom classes. Sergei Shoigu, like the entire Russian delegation, had headphones. The author of these lines frivolously put them on, remembering that in his youth he served in artillery and stood on the ranges for three years while firing near the 122-mm howitzers. Like, and not heard such a rumble. Not that I later regretted my hindsight, but I wouldn’t have started to chuckle a second time. I think that, despite the headphones, our delegation was very impressed with the ostentatious roar.

ARMOR - PROSPECT

The Finns showed our minister his articulated tractor for the northern, mossy regions of the tundra. Sergei Shoigu even sat on the site of his driver, drove through the territory. I do not know how he liked the head of the military department. But, in my not very enlightened opinion, our similar tractors are no worse, even more powerful. Just on the eve of his visit to Finland, our head of the military department at the Bronnitsy firing ground got acquainted with the Russian tracked articulated armored personnel carrier DT-3PB, and he had the opportunity to compare our car and the Finnish one. Our similar machines are much better protected from bullets and shrapnel. And the sides of the Finnish looked like flaky plywood. Although they are warm, like a thermos, surely cherish properly.

The Finns and their new modular eight-wheel (4х4) armored personnel carrier AVM (Armored Modular Vehicle) demonstrated the head of the Russian military department. Actively praised him for his dignity, noticing whether it was a joke, or seriously, that it was “not the best, but the best,” as of today, an APC. They said that he could change his ground clearance depending on what ground he went on - in sand, snow or hard ground, that an 105-mm cannon, 120-millimeter mortar, and 7,62 machine guns could be in service with an armored vehicle. millimeter. On the turret of the car, which was shown to the minister, there was already a large-caliber machine gun with an optical and thermal sight. The creators of the car stressed that it was already bought by the Swedes, the Poles, the Slovenes. Apparently, they hoped that we would go the same way. However, when the author of these lines asked the commander of the training center whether the armored personnel carrier had a remote weapon control panel, which has now become a common place in Western armored vehicles, they were told in the presence of the minister that they had already ordered such a system to the company that AVM produced.

It is clear that order and have - the concepts are different. But it is curious that, by advertising their weapons to the Russian minister, the Finns also said that their army also needs re-equipment and modernization. Although the country's budget for these purposes is very small, and that should be reduced by 10%. Nevertheless, they are interested in military-technical cooperation with us. The army of Suomi, which, according to Western sources, including the well-known directory The Military Balance, has thousands of people in the 16 ground forces, has two hundred of our BMP-1 and -2, 250 tracked MT-LB, 350 122- mm D-30 howitzers, as well as Buk-М1 anti-aircraft missile systems, Igla man-portable air defense systems. Now the Finns are holding a tender for the purchase of new MANPADS, where in addition to our “Needle”, the American “Stinger” and the Polish “Thunder” are participating - in fact, our “Needle”, and by the autumn they have to decide what to buy. The chances of Kolomna mechanical engineering design bureau, where the “Needles” are made, as we have hinted, are very high. It is said that the Finns would not have refused from our Su-30MK multifunctional fighters, which should replace the American F / A-18C Hornet that is in service with them. But this is not the neighbor, not tomorrow's choice.

Although, according to experts, the prospects for military and military-technical cooperation are great. But here is the problem.

At the Academy of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Russia only one Finnish officer is currently studying. There are no ours in their academy. Russian language in Finland is quite popular. We have Finnish - not very. A translator for our minister was taken from the Russian embassy in Helsinki. There is something to think about.
Yes, I almost forgot - about a conversation with cadet Sergey Ilyukhin.

SERVICE IS NECESSARY AND INTERESTING

He came to Finland with his parents at the age of nine. He graduated from school and university here, became an engineer. Then he went to serve in the army. In Suomi, there is a universal military duty, and if you for some reason (not due to illness) evaded it, your future career will be in doubt. Any personnel officer, and even more so in a state institution, will ask: why did you not give a military debt to your homeland? No one will listen to the excuse with all the ensuing consequences.

Serving in the Finnish army, as Sergey assured me, is easy and even interesting. After eight weeks, he had already fired a machine gun, and on the tenth he threw battle grenades. The service life of the Finns is divided into three periods - six months, nine and twelve. To whom how many to serve, define still before a call in analog of our military registration and enlistment office. Depending on the psychophysical qualities of a young man, his education and abilities. Engineer Ilyukhin had a one-year term, and he was sent to junior lieutenant courses before completing his service, and now he will be in reserve as an officer. Retraining every three years.

Another interesting fact is that those who serve six months are paid on 5 euros per day. Ilyukhin and his associates, twelve months, on Euro 11,80. For the year, you can save up to more than three thousand euros. For the first time after the demob a very decent amount.

We talked one-on-one with the cadet. None of his commanders listened to us, and the fact that the soldier was so pleased with his service seemed to me quite remarkable. I really want our fighters to feel before leaving to the reserve that it was not for nothing that they gave or devoted a year of soldier’s life to their country (as you wish).
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  1. vitas
    vitas 8 June 2013 15: 40 New
    +7
    Here is an interesting vidos about Finns
    1. Army1
      Army1 8 June 2013 15: 51 New
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      Oh well, everything is beautiful of course, but for me it's just window dressing. The level of technical equipment is impressive, but we are not done by anything, there are both MTR and cargo and equipment. As I understood from this video, the UAV’s great significance is that it would fly in front of the column, with a thermal imager, or with something else, and the khan would be Finnish trackers.
      1. FC SKIF
        FC SKIF 8 June 2013 20: 53 New
        +2
        Remember, not so long ago the Scandinavians were hysterical, arguing over who would lose faster than Russia, and this show-off is simply show-off.
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      3. cartridge
        cartridge 9 June 2013 01: 22 New
        +2
        A joke about the Finnish army:

        Trying not to make noise, a company of Finnish scouts crept to the enemy headquarters. Residents of all the surrounding villages came to see this.
    2. Yves762
      Yves762 8 June 2013 15: 54 New
      +1
      B # @ !, even more actors are more active and you can even go to the Oscars !!! At least from hire to the new Panzer division would be collected ...
    3. ole
      ole 8 June 2013 16: 03 New
      +3
      It’s just awful what warriors they would have in Chechnya to the hot Caucasians.
      1. sub307
        sub307 8 June 2013 16: 47 New
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        If we had remained part of Russia (we are reading history), in all likelihood we met “hot Caucasians” in Chechnya. Well, and so, unfortunately, maybe not - this is a “headache” exclusively for Russian citizens.
        1. Setrac
          Setrac 8 June 2013 19: 37 New
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          Quote: sub307
          Well, and so, unfortunately, maybe not - this is a “headache” exclusively for Russian citizens.

          Militants in Syria - the headache of the Syrian government ?. The headache is not the terrorists, they are the consequence, the headache is the sponsors of the terrorists - the United States and Britain, without them the world would not have known such a word - terrorism.
      2. Karabu
        Karabu 8 June 2013 20: 18 New
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        Quote: ole
        It’s just awful what warriors they would have in Chechnya to the hot Caucasians.

        Check out the history of the 1939-1940 war. Finland and the USSR. surrenders to me "hot Caucasians" these guys easily tear a point
    4. cartridge
      cartridge 8 June 2013 20: 42 New
      0
      If you want peace, get ready for war! This should fully apply to Russian policy towards Finland. Complacency should not come from the fact that our tourists there buy coffee and the Finish.
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    6. timurpl
      timurpl 9 June 2013 13: 19 New
      +2
      Thanks to the Finns, everything is clear, we won’t go on foot ... for a long time!
      -HISKANDER-Faster fellow
    7. Rattenfanger
      Rattenfanger 9 June 2013 16: 44 New
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      "Camping" for the writer of this opus is an unfamiliar set of sounds, do I have to put it?
  2. ole
    ole 8 June 2013 15: 53 New
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    From the Kola Peninsula. In a friend, the son returned from the army in the 12th year, the 200th brigade of constant combat readiness - 4 thousand people completeness in kind is about 3 thousand, says about half of the equipment a terrible junk (I think less) is on the border with Norway, well, and partly killed, because before the presidential election officers were given a salary of 70t.r. , soldiers 1,5 tr. added, and the next month everything was halved right away, quitting as a sergeant offered a contract but didn’t want with such tricks.
    1. Dilshat
      Dilshat 8 June 2013 22: 57 New
      +7
      That's it. The Finnish army, no matter how small and compact, would not forgive the enemy for the low level of training and training of soldiers and officers.
  3. Egoza
    Egoza 8 June 2013 17: 30 New
    +4
    But for me it’s significant
    “In Suomi, it’s a universal military duty, and if for some reason (not due to illness) you avoided fulfilling it, your future career will be in doubt. Any personnel officer, and even more so in a government institution, will ask: why are you "Didn’t give military duty to the motherland? No one will listen to excuses with all the ensuing consequences."

    And we have everything. In the fall, the last call, and then only the contract soldiers. Let anyone defend their homeland .... belay
    1. smart ass
      smart ass 8 June 2013 19: 15 New
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      How many years have you served?
    2. OTTO
      OTTO 8 June 2013 22: 42 New
      +1
      Quote: Egoza
      Autumn last call, and then only contract soldiers

      Where does the information come from ???
  4. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 8 June 2013 18: 23 New
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    To create a high level of support for the ground forces of the country, which have 16 thousand personnel, is not a difficult task. This is not the millionth army of Russia ... But if a soldier wants to serve in the army of his state, then there the care of the soldier is set at a high level. Our Duma is only going to adopt the Law: did not serve in the Army, you can’t see the civil service! Yes, and take care of our soldier more.
    1. eagle11
      eagle11 9 June 2013 05: 00 New
      +3
      ivanych47, in the Russian army the TOTAL is 1 000 000 people, but (I will tell you a secret) this is the staff number, and not available. In the land, the shortage is the largest. Yes, the army in Suomi is small, but the country is small, and the population is small. Almost 30 times less than in Russia, so the number of aircraft is comparable.
  5. Grenz
    Grenz 8 June 2013 18: 25 New
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    Well article as an article. There are many of them, where it is good in the army abroad. If only Shoigu would cross the border and visit our border garrisons with the author. There are also Russian guys. Such a laudatory article would not have happened. Here is the question for our soldiers - “Are you interested in serving with their families in frozen barracks?” Oh there would be an answer !!!
    And more. The author calls Finland a friendly country.
    This is from a set of facts such a conclusion.
    If the pages of the story show a guy from Sortavala, apparently he was in the Death Valley, where his ancestors disappeared under Finnish bullets. If on issues of geopolitics, then the Finns are sleeping and see themselves as part of GREAT FINLAND, which includes our territories - Karelia and the North of Russia, inhabited by the peoples of the Finno-Ugric group. Vyborg will soon speak only Finnish. (Yes, there are similar cards in any kiosk).
    Before concluding that Finland is friendly, it’s not a sin to recall what Finnish politicians think (but do not speak openly) about Russia. Apparently the author’s name Johan Backman It’s a known person who has done a lot in defending the interests of Russia in Finland. Including, for the protection of our children, who were taken from Russian parents. (Maybe Sergey is also from there?)
    Here are some of his findings: “... many Finnish officials expect Russia to fall apart in 2015–2025, with the result that vast territories will move to Finland. According to the Finns, Russia is economically an insignificantly small parasite state.
    Finnish media broadcast extremely negative information about Russia and Russians. According to the Finns, all Russian women are prostitutes, and men are thieves and bandits.
    Unfortunately, the Russians have formed an overly positive image of Finns and Finnish politics. At all times, Finland presented itself as a benevolent country. But everyone who lived in Finland knows that the atmosphere in Finland is anti-Russian. Finnish revanchist sentiments are hidden. The Finns know that Russians should not openly threaten. ”
    Here are just some of the less stringent assessments of Finland’s attitude towards Russia.
    IN CONCLUSION
    THIS FOR REFLECTION OF SUCH ANY AGGRESSION THE HUGE FINNISH GUYS ARE SUCCESSFULLY PREPARED, AND SORRY (EXCEPTION) FROM RUSSIA. All neighbors, except Russia, are in the American team !!!
    WELL, IF THE ANSWER IS NOT UNDERSTANDED - THEN SEEN ANOTHER VALLEY OF DEATH MAY APPEAR UNDER SORTORALS.
    1. Setrac
      Setrac 8 June 2013 19: 40 New
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      Quote: grenz
      AND SORRY (EXCESS) FROM RUSSIA

      Why "sorry"? Truth is not an insult.
    2. OTTO
      OTTO 8 June 2013 23: 47 New
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      Quote: grenz
      THIS FOR REFLECTION OF SUCH ANY AGGRESSION SUCH FINNISH GUYS ARE SUCCESSFULLY PREPARED,

      And who is neutral Switzerland going to defend against? Any self-respecting country should have an army. And nobody, unfortunately, is going to play “giveaway” with us.
    3. Komsomolets
      Komsomolets 9 June 2013 06: 44 New
      +4
      grenz golden words, even nothing to add !!!
  6. individual
    individual 8 June 2013 18: 32 New
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    I don’t know how the Russian Ministry of Defense evaluates Finland?
    Probably politically correct.
    For me, one acquaintance with the practice of applying their juvenile justice, when disenfranchised children are taken away from disenfranchised parents a shame.
    I do not want this right to flow into our laws.
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 8 June 2013 18: 47 New
    +3
    It is alarming that Suomi wanted to participate in NATO maneuvers; there is talk in Finnish society about joining NATO. Therefore, I think that close military-technical cooperation will benefit both countries and keep Finland from not taking the necessary steps!
  8. Grenz
    Grenz 8 June 2013 19: 14 New
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    individual
    I don’t know how the Russian Ministry of Defense evaluates Finland?
    Probably politically correct.

    I agree with you. For the Minister of Defense, a similar position is acceptable. And I am sure the Minister knows and takes into account his strategic interest.
    But on our website, why are these SJ-SJ MU-SJ in relation to Finland. Are we lulling someone here?
    We have already decided what SUOMI is. Here is another gladiator preparing for war with Russian pigs.
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    2. Setrac
      Setrac 8 June 2013 19: 42 New
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      What kind of clown in the photo?
      1. Alexey Prikazchikov
        Alexey Prikazchikov 8 June 2013 20: 52 New
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        What kind of clown in the photo?


        Some kind of Finnish animal.
      2. Grenz
        Grenz 8 June 2013 20: 53 New
        +2
        On our forum there is material interesting on this topic: "Finland: forward, to the Russian bear?" October 15, 2012
        A review of Oleg Chuvakin on some of the strategic military aspects of Finland’s foreign policy towards Russia. This sample of Finnish warriors who gathered on a campaign to Russia is presented there.
      3. Uhalus
        Uhalus 8 June 2013 22: 57 New
        +9
        Come on, the guy is just fooling around, sort of like Rambo, or something like in a computer game - you shoot all the weapons on yourself and shoot everything. I saw such pictures with our soldiers.
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          1. UFO
            UFO 9 June 2013 04: 49 New
            -1
            Well this must blurt out! I’ve been looking in the mirror for a long time, “Superman”? It’s because of such “Napoleons” that the Finns’ attitude to Russia is wary (and not hostile), you never know if they come to power and want the Empire again, they won’t ask “subhuman”. You should be honest and honest with the Finns, as before Berlin, like cancer and the Russian Federation to the standard of living of Suomi, they do not go to us for permanent residence, but ours go there. fool
            1. Alexey Prikazchikov
              Alexey Prikazchikov 9 June 2013 09: 31 New
              +1
              Well this must blurt out! I’ve been looking in the mirror for a long time, “Superman”? It’s because of such “Napoleons” that the Finns’ attitude to Russia is wary (and not hostile), you never know if they come to power and want the Empire again, they won’t ask “subhuman”. You should be honest and honest with the Finns, as before Berlin, like cancer and the Russian Federation to the standard of living of Suomi, they don’t go to us for permanent residence, but ours go there


              Did you communicate with the Finns? I am yes. You were there? I am yes. To put it mildly, they hate us too. My opinion about them was formed in direct contacts with these animals. Yes, and remember the story of the children, little chtoli? And how did the chemists check the car with our tourists, huh? And the fact that they consider ALL Russian drunks and prostitutes is also normal? Stop protecting them. For them, you are simply untermanent and they will not appreciate it. Especially if you do not know then the Finns really degenerate especially in small towns. So I'm not so far from the truth.
              1. Setrac
                Setrac 9 June 2013 11: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                Well this must blurt out!

                I'll tell a joke on the topic:
                Two friends are talking
                “Tell me, what would you do if a bear attacked you?”
                -I would shoot from a gun.
                -And there is no gun?
                -From a gun!
                -No gun!
                -G climbed up a tree.
                -No tree.
                -I would run away.
                -Bear runs faster!
                -Listen, whose friend are you, mine or bear?
                Now attention is the question! Still respected UFO, are you Russian or Finn? What is your homeland, Russia or Finland? So go to your favorite Finns. In the information war against Russia waged by the West, you are a soldier of the enemy, and for this they can punish you for real, which is what I want for you.
              2. UFO
                UFO 9 June 2013 17: 55 New
                +3
                I myself am 1/4 Finn, although I was born and raised in Siberia and live here .. (this is about the "animals"). A grandmother from Izhora Finns (Myakkinen is her maiden name), her brother lives in Ust-Luga, speaks Finnish calmly, her third-cousin went with his family to Finland and does not regret. From Ivan the city to St. Petersburg (Kingisepp district), everyone is more or less connected with Suomi by blood ties, and therefore is more accurate with expressions. People in Russia have been living since the founding of the Russian state, so it is possible for Tatars and Evenks to drill under one comb - "all animals"! And as we degenerate in small towns, especially in the middle lane and non-black soil, the Finns still have to catch up with us. Do not believe? Take a ride in Smolensk or Kostroma reg. negative
                1. Setrac
                  Setrac 9 June 2013 18: 17 New
                  -1
                  Quote: UFO
                  I myself am 1/4 Finn, although I was born and raised in Siberia and live here ..

                  I myself am half Armenian, but I have no respect for the “small homeland!” And I do not consider Armenia as such.
                  Quote: UFO
                  And how do we degenerate in small towns

                  Each person degenerates on his own, do not say "we".
                  Quote: UFO
                  so it is possible and the Tatars and Evenks and drill under one comb - "all animals

                  It is not a matter of nationality, but of citizenship in a state hostile to us. The Russians in America or Israel have long been no longer ours, they are enemies, although Russian, though not all.
                  1. UFO
                    UFO 10 June 2013 06: 21 New
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                    Quote: Setrac
                    It is not a matter of nationality, but of citizenship in a state hostile to us. The Russians in America or Israel have long been no longer ours, they are enemies, although Russian, though not all.

                    Nothing like this. I will not say for the former Russian Jews or those who left for the United States, but those who have not “left” Russia in Suomi often visit here and worry about Russia's problems. yes
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 10 June 2013 19: 05 New
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                      Quote: UFO
                      Nothing like this. I will not say for the former Russian Jews or those who left for the United States, but those who have not “left” Russia in Suomi often visit here and worry about Russia's problems.

                      “Experiencing” is not an indicator, of course they are worried if the welfare of Finland, (including the welfare of the Russians who left for Finland) is largely dependent on the kindness of the Russian government, to tighten trade and the Finns will turn from proud Finns into slaughtered Chukhons, and so they are worried.
                2. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  Alexey Prikazchikov 9 June 2013 19: 01 New
                  -3
                  I myself am 1/4 Finn, although I was born and raised in Siberia and live here .. (this is about the "animals"). A grandmother from Izhora Finns (Myakkinen is her maiden name), her brother lives in Ust-Luga, speaks Finnish calmly, her third-cousin went with his family to Finland and does not regret. From Ivan the city to St. Petersburg (Kingisepp district), everyone is more or less connected with Suomi by blood ties, and therefore is more accurate with expressions. People in Russia have been living since the founding of the Russian state, so it is possible for Tatars and Evenks to drill under one comb - "all animals"! And as we degenerate in small towns, especially in the middle lane and non-black soil, the Finns still have to catch up with us. Do not believe? Take a ride in Smolensk or Kostroma reg.


                  Well, go to your Finland. What’s here, sit with us barbarians. And it is precisely that the Finns pathologically hate the Russians, it’s just a fact and you won’t run away from it.
                  1. UFO
                    UFO 10 June 2013 06: 14 New
                    -1
                    Go to hell yourself, but it’s good for me in Krasnoyarsk too. And Finland is not mine, just the people there deserve more respect than SOME here! The Finnish mentality regarding honesty and mutual assistance is currently comparable to our time of socialism (or even higher), and there is nothing to compare with today, today the Prikazchikovs are around. wassat
                    1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                      Alexey Prikazchikov 10 June 2013 10: 47 New
                      -1
                      Fuck yours ... What is the land area (and sorry if so)?
              3. Skunk
                Skunk 9 June 2013 18: 47 New
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                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                Did you communicate with the Finns? I am yes. You were there? I am yes.

                You write nonsense. Obvious enough for residents of St. Petersburg and the region. No, of course, you can run into hatred, especially if with the cries of "Tagil rules ..." (Or Krasnoyarsk? ...) swim in the fountain on the main square of the very small towns that you write about.
                I do not quite understand how to behave in Finland in order to run into the manifestation of open hatred from the Finns.
                Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                in direct contact with these animals

                I’m even afraid to suggest what kind of contacts are involved. laughing
                1. Alexey Prikazchikov
                  Alexey Prikazchikov 9 June 2013 19: 04 New
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                  You write nonsense. Obvious enough for residents of St. Petersburg and the region. No, of course, you can run into hatred, especially if with the cries of "Tagil rules ..." (Or Krasnoyarsk? ...) swim in the fountain on the main square of the very small towns that you write about.
                  I do not quite understand how to behave in Finland in order to run into the manifestation of open hatred from the Finns.
                  Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                  in direct contact with these animals

                  I’m even afraid to suggest what kind of contacts are involved.


                  Do not equate everyone on their own, if you are the only thing you can do is swim in the fountain and yell at Tagil (I haven’t even thought of it) then this is your personal problem. Moreover, I did not speak about open hostility.
                  1. Skunk
                    Skunk 10 June 2013 01: 48 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                    Do not equate everyone by yourself if you are the only thing you can do

                    Arguments at the kindergarten level ...

                    The only one here who hates someone is you.
                    Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov
                    This is not just Finns subhuman.

                    Hate Finns, and most likely not only Finns, but all countries, all nations that have been able to give their citizens more social guarantees and a higher standard of living than you have. I can assume that you also hate a neighbor who has more jeeps than you, as well as another neighbor who has a better house or apartment. You also probably consider them subhuman and "animals". It is probably hard for you to live with such views.

                    Returning to the Finns, you know, Alexei, there are such wonderful definitions of nationalism and Nazism:
                    Nationalism is the love of one’s nation.
                    Nazism is the contempt of other nations.
                    Think about it at your leisure ... wink
                    1. Setrac
                      Setrac 10 June 2013 19: 23 New
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                      Quote: Skunk
                      Hate the Finns, and most likely not only the Finns, but all the countries, all nations that were able to give their citizens more social guarantees and a higher standard of living than you have.

                      Social guarantees are evil that must be fought, the nation is weakening and dying. The entire social network lies on the shoulders of working citizens, which in itself is not fair in relation to the working people, moreover, the social network allows many citizens not to work, and produces loafers and parasites.
                      1. Skunk
                        Skunk 10 June 2013 21: 55 New
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                        Are you serious? Evil?
                        Firstly, social programs are not only unemployment benefits, but also free education, medicine. (By the way, the Finns have all education for free, including for non-residents, higher education is free) Is medicine and education evil? Are decent pensions also evil? And is support for single mothers and large families also evil?
                        You are either still very young or very stupid, just write such things. It smacks of youthful maximalism. It will pass with age ... If it does not, then read option two above.
                      2. Setrac
                        Setrac 10 June 2013 23: 18 New
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                        Quote: Skunk
                        Are you serious? Evil?

                        No, of course, for the common man, social is good. However, the social sphere negates such a process as natural selection (as it does not sound cynical, but nonetheless), and a nation that has recently bent half of the world suddenly faces internal problems.
                        Quote: Skunk
                        free education, medicine.

                        There is NOTHING FREE, for everything to be paid from the pocket of working citizens, a doctor or teacher does not eat the holy spirit.
                        Quote: Skunk
                        Is medicine and education evil?

                        Free medicine and education are definitely evil. Corrupts.
                      3. Skunk
                        Skunk 11 June 2013 00: 16 New
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                        You contradict yourself. Say that for a simple person, social is good, but at the same time assume that these very simple people will survive on the basis of natural selection. For, not a simple person does not need a social program, because he already has money. It turns out that, following your higher logic, only people with little money can and should survive by natural selection ...

                        Anyway, what kind of natural selection are you talking about? How do you imagine this process in a civilized society? And you yourself are sure that you will pass the selection that you are advertising?
                      4. Setrac
                        Setrac 11 June 2013 04: 53 New
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                        Quote: Skunk
                        You contradict yourself. Say that for a simple person, social is good, but at the same time assume that these very simple people will survive on the basis of natural selection.

                        Well, natural selection - it is said loudly - the social network gives an advantage in life to those who "deserve it" over normal citizens, it turns out to be a paradoxical situation, normal people who are honest, healthy, law-abiding, are engaged in dangerous professions (earn money), go to war, etc. cripples, criminals and deceivers who live at the expense of the normal, breed and educate their own kind remain behind.
                        Quote: Skunk
                        It turns out that, following your higher logic, only people with little money can and should survive by natural selection ...

                        Unexpected conclusion. this is because we forgot that money is not a value, but a medium of exchange.
  • OTTO
    OTTO 8 June 2013 23: 54 New
    +3
    And that very armed soldier with all his equipment from the enemies will be able to escape ??? wink
  • chehywed
    chehywed 9 June 2013 00: 44 New
    +4
    Gathered to Sidorovich, throw off the swag.
  • cartridge
    cartridge 9 June 2013 01: 31 New
    +5
    Finland. Terrible cold.
    Fishhead Finn without a hat. It's cold, ears are red.
    The second Finn comes up and asks:
    - Listen, why are you without a hat?
    - Yes, I fished yesterday in a hat, and on the other side of the pond, Russian drank vodka and called me.
    - So what?
    - I was in a hat and did not hear anything.
  • Revolver
    Revolver 9 June 2013 07: 30 New
    +2
    And on the chest hangs AK, and a very recent model. And the machine gun is waving heavily on the PC. In general, as Mikhalkov said, "But they eat Russian fat." http://www.peoples.ru/art/literature/poetry/contemporary/sergey_mihalkov/poetry_
    22275.shtml
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  • pogis
    pogis 8 June 2013 19: 53 New
    +2
    The Russian language in Finland is quite popular. We have Finnish - not really. An interpreter for our minister was taken from the Russian embassy in Helsinki. There is something to ponder. Over what? The author contradicts himself!
  • pogis
    pogis 8 June 2013 19: 56 New
    -1
    Armed with the army of Suomi, which, according to Western sources, including the well-known directory The Military Balance, numbers 16 thousand people in the ground forces! Or me, or skis are crooked! How can I compare RA with FA?
  • crambol
    crambol 8 June 2013 21: 04 New
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    Don’t say that good neighborly relations are a great thing!
  • Komsomolets
    Komsomolets 9 June 2013 06: 31 New
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    Unfortunately, Litovkin’s words about military-technical cooperation are overly optimistic. All Russian weapons from the Finns were received for the debts of the USSR. We had no money, so they chose the lesser of evils, to get at least something.
    Although later they were pleasantly surprised by our weapons. In particular, they liked Buk-M1 air defense systems very much; they placed three divisions around Helsinki.
    But today, this technique is nearing the end of its life cycle. The Buk-M1 air defense system will be definitely replaced by the Amer-Norwegian NASAMS. Armored vehicles are likely to face the same fate. And it’s hard to believe that a NATO country will be allowed to buy a Su-30, even if it is integrated into the NATO Air Force. They will force to support a western or overseas producer.
    But what we definitely need to pay attention to is the equipment of the Finnish military. In 2001, at the Smolensk Air Defense Academy, we looked enviously at the Finnish winter field uniform, and the Finns themselves praised it. And they really figure out how to dress the military in their latitudes.
    1. True
      True 9 June 2013 13: 20 New
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      Finland cannot join NATO. Like Sweden. And Japan. Learn the materiel.
      1. Komsomolets
        Komsomolets 9 June 2013 15: 56 New
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        True, I apologize, Finland is indeed not a NATO member, although this is not a matter of principle in this matter. Otherwise, I wrote everything correctly.
        And yet, Sweden is written without the "d", learn Russian ...
  • Grenz
    Grenz 9 June 2013 07: 20 New
    +3
    UFO
    To you, to the honesty and decency of the Finns, as to Berlin as cancer, as to the Russian Federation to the standard of living of Suomi, they do not go to us for permanent residence, but ours go there.

    As for hostility or wariness towards the Russians, this is a rhetorical question!
    And at the expense of living standards - we go to permanent residence because we have money - the Finns do not have free ones.
    About decency - you are very outraged here. And who takes away children from Russian families, demonstrating a pathological hostility towards Russians. And you did not observe how the Finns behave, for example, in Vyborg or Petrozavodsk. They are the Russians who are perceived as subhuman. Especially when they get drunk.
    No, we are all good.
    Yes, they work tirelessly, in cities and towns cleanliness, excellent roads. What about taxes?
    They brought the Finn to Vyborg to have an operation. I almost died on the road. Homes are very expensive.
    And at the same time, the territorial issue regarding Russia is being studied from the school bench. This is an undeniable fact.
    1. UFO
      UFO 10 June 2013 06: 43 New
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      Quote: grenz
      Especially when they get drunk.

      Have you seen how our people behave in relation to each other "when they get drunk", especially if one of them is a boss or a businessman? And the Caucasians? ..... Stupid argument.
      Quote: grenz
      And at the same time, the territorial issue regarding Russia is being studied from the school bench. This is an undeniable fact.

      And in this regard, one must face the truth. The territory to the north-west of St. Petersburg is originally Finnish, and it is not their fault that the USSR needed it for geopolitical reasons. However, compared with Japan, in relation to the Kuril Islands, the Finns do not yell at every corner and do not hold rallies "For the return of the territories", but rather closely cooperate with the Russian Federation, and even talk "about returning to Russia!"
      Quote: grenz
      And who takes away children from Russian families, demonstrating a pathological hostility towards Russians

      It's you in vain, see the statistics. They take away their children no less, and the "Russians" have nothing to do with it. Just stupid law, and we have few stupid laws? But in Ukraine now, under pressure from Geyrop, the “cocks” are bred and honored, and that they are no longer brothers? (Not fag. Meaning). request
      1. Setrac
        Setrac 10 June 2013 19: 25 New
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        Quote: UFO
        And in this regard, one must face the truth. The territory to the north-west of St. Petersburg is originally Finnish, and it is not their fault that the USSR needed it for geopolitical reasons.

        This is a fallacy, most of the so-called Finno-Ugrians remained in Russia and assimilated into the Russian nation, so let the Finns put their territorial claims into the stern.
  • ia-ai00
    ia-ai00 10 June 2013 21: 48 New
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    grenz RU
    ... The author calls Finland a friendly country.
    This is from a set of facts such a conclusion.

    This, too, somehow greatly surprised me ... I didn’t know that this was a friendly country! According to your text above, I agree 100%.
    And if you add information on topics to your words:

    St. Petersburg Governor Georgy Poltavchenko was awarded the “Honorary Rat” on June 30 in Finland for violating the human rights of lesbians, gays, bisexuals, and transgender people. This anti-prize is presented by the SETA Finnish Human Rights Organization for Sexual and Gender Minorities ...

    On June 27, Finland hosted the finals of the “Mr. Gay Finland 2012” contest. 6 people reached the final of the competition. The winner was 26-year-old Janne Tiilikainen, who will represent Finland in the competition "Mr. Gay Europe 2012" ...
    ,
    then the "portrait" of these highly moral people will be completed. That is why they take away Russian children, they themselves cannot give birth, but someone in the army must serve and even hate Russia from the school bench.