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Sergey Kurginyan: on the way to the USSR between drops of liberal rain

Sergey Kurginyan: on the way to the USSR between drops of liberal rain

Sergey Yervandovich Kurginyan today in Russia, and indeed not only in it, represents the left patriotic wing in the political life of society. The movement “The Essence of Time” headed by him is opposed to the current government in the Russian Federation, and on many issues and problems. Also this movement is completely and fundamentally antagonistic to the traditional liberal opposition.

Sergey Kurginyan is one of the few political scientists who decided to put his reputation at stake by violating the usual political science canons in this area. Namely, he departed from the discussion and from the usual abstract forecasts in the political life of Russia in the near term and in fact. More than two years ago, in his numerous video messages and speeches, he everywhere clearly, confidently and reasonably voiced the date - 2017. This year, according to Sergei Evrvanodovich, will be the peak of the systemic crisis of the political elite and the country's authorities. Moreover, the scenario may be different. But the essence is the same, little remains of today's stability. In later, one can say “today's” appeals, Sergey Kurginyan does not even try to evade responsibility for the approaching date of the conditional “apocalypse”, he still points to 2017. Cheap populism and playing on historical parallels? I don’t think so. Unfortunately, there are prerequisites. And there is something to ponder. Let's figure it out.

What does the non-marginal movement “The Essence of Time” offer? They have already demonstrated pickets, promotions, signatures and congresses. Thus, the traditional and classical tools of any political party are fulfilled, it remains only to rattle programs and fight for the electorate and flash in the media. But in the spring and summer of 2013, Comrade Kurginyan opened a part of his cards, which actually made me write these lines. Now it is already possible to substantively start a discussion about the possibility of building the USSR 2.0. These cards, which S. Kurginyan opened at the political poker table, surprised me pretty much. If we say allegory, then Sergey Yervandovich wants to pass between the drops of liberal rain. Now I will explain. We all have heard this phrase more than once: “We left the best in the USSR and acquired the worst from the West”. If we paraphrase this famous saying a little, the Kurginyan movement wants to return all the best from the Soviet Union and attention, to take the most good and practical things from the West. Well, if everything is clear with the good things in the USSR, then what can be taken of the normal from the morally fallen West ?!

Somehow I have already published my article on the website “Military Review” [b] “Eastern Europe. The last argument of the liberals "[/ b]. Despite the stated facts and understandable things, that publication was overwhelmingly emotional. Therefore, despite the high patriotism of the resource, there were many opponents who of course recognized the decline of morality and culture in the West, as well as the credit needle, and the factor of destructiveness of the consumer society. But at the same time, they rightly pointed to the stable legal system of the West, civil society and minimal corruption. This is not about banal elections and freedom of assembly. And above all, about the eternal trump card of the liberals: “a system of restraint and balances”. Therefore, it is difficult to counterattack a liberal at once, when he writes this, I quote him:

“What can be opposed to the existing non-ideal liberal system? How is she attractive? The minimum is that it brings at least some semblance of justice, above all equality before the law. The power adjacent to Europe for the most part does not fatten, since ours do not drive 140 km / h over "oncoming", when the whole city stands in traffic jams, their children fall on the front pages of newspapers by several orders of magnitude less often, and theft and inappropriate use budget is punished at times more often.

And while we are breaking our laws, hiding behind the fact that the authorities did not comply with the same laws, then with our “special spiritual mentality” and wedging the enemies from the outside, things will not be. Regardless of the price of gas and oil "

Many more often respond to this emotionally again, something like this: “Liberalism kills our culture and spirituality”, “too high a price for such a legal order is to kill the soul in itself”,etc. Those who are more prepared again appeal to the Soviet Union, where, even without liberalism, there was order on the roads, in courts of all jurisdictions, in housing and utilities, in medicine, etc. So do I. I hope everyone read and remember the article: “Is dictatorship always bad?”

What does Sergey Kurginyan and the “Essence of Time” movement offer us ?! Before answering this question. Need to ask another. What forces and resources should be possessed to change today if not the political system, then the state course? In any textbook of political science it is written that the goal of any political party is the conquest of power in elections and the implementation of its political program. If we proceed from the fairly widespread thesis that the current political parties are with us, these are peculiar closed "joint-stock" companies, where it is difficult to find a social elevator from the bulk to the Central Political Council of the party, then no one is interested in such a change of course and style, as well as the existing palette of public life. In addition, there are things that cannot be solved within the framework of a single, even if a patriotic, opposition party. For example, some constitutional norms, the priority of international law over national, international conventions. If it is even simpler, then how to change, turn back education reform with its USE? Then the same childish question. You can collect even 10 millions of signatures against juvenile justice as a set of laws and even stop their progress. But who and how will stop the legal acts of the elements of juvenile justice, resolutions of the Cabinet of Ministers, local authorities? Remember Putin: "torture the dust to swallow." Try, run after every anti-people act. After all, it is not necessary to conduct everything through laws in the State Duma, where it is vulnerable. If there is a country's course to "imitate" the West, then the question is only in the choice of a tool. You can take an abstract program with a noble name, and under it you can already line up anti-people "NPA". After all, nobody changed the course of the state? However, with the course, little is clear. In a broad sense, this is not only a foreign policy movement, I think this is clear to everyone? Just with the outside, everything is clear and correct - the CU, and with access to the Eurasian Union. That with the inner is not clear at all. He is still Western in spirit.

The movement "The Essence of Time" led by Kurginyan offers for this, you will not believe - liberal mechanisms. However, the term “liberal mechanisms” still needs to be understood. There are, for example, the term and concept democracy. Where he came from and what it means, I think it is not necessary to explain. Let us dwell on the shortest and simplest understanding that this is the power of the people. With liberalism more difficult. Someone thinks that he was "soiled" by the so-called neoliberals, and that in the original understanding and meaning, its definition is harmless. Using the example of Western Europe and the USA, we are convinced that the classic expression: “my freedom ends where I restrict the freedom of another person” stopped working at the beginning of 2000's. It was in those years that another, equally meaningful definition of “tolerance” began to gain weight. Since then, the expression “the majority must (read) must observe the rights of a minority” is popular, thereby contradicting the entire ancient pleiad of philosophers debating the notion of democracy. I do not make this insightful excursion in order to once again sprinkle ashes on my head and “curse” postmodernism. And so that you, dear colleagues and comrades on the “military review” website, helped me to clarify the question: “Is a civil and democratic movement possible in Russia, but with a patriotic and even a left, and not with a liberal bias? Is it possible to put an equal sign between liberalism and civil society? If not, how thin and durable is this edge? When the phrase “civil society” or “civil law” is mentioned, an image of Navodvorskaya, Latynina, Kasparov, etc. immediately appears. And again, before answering this question, you need to look at what Sergey Kurginyan offers.

During one of the speeches of Sergey Kurginyan (“the meaning of the game” program cycle), the concept of free civil territoryas one of the approaches constituting civil action. These are some “zones” that are free in the intellectual, spiritual and moral sense, and more generally free in the patriotic sense. As a person who was involved in creating “consumer societies” in Ukraine, or simply “cooperatives,” I will tell you that such decisions and actions will have far-reaching consequences for Russian society. In essence, this is the birth of a civil revolution. Since the current legislation that Russia, Ukraine, was written in 90-s by "friends" from the USA and imbued with a liberal spirit, it is "doomed" to success. No one can stop it and stop it. I'll explain why. One of the reasons is political. The current government in the Russian Federation has always declared that it treats the Soviet past and values ​​with respect, it is even legally enshrined. Namely, in the form of the status of the successor of the USSR. It is hard for me to imagine that the leadership of United Russia would go against the core of its electorate: retirees, workers, military, and simply patriots. On the other hand, the reaction of the West and the USA in particular, which always advocate the development of rights and freedoms in Russia, will be interesting. It is hard to imagine how the White House administration will support the crackdown and defeat by Putin of a growing civil movement, even if it is of a leftist and patriotic nature or vice versa. Although nothing can be ruled out. The second reason is legal and legislative. We are all used to seeing how marginal liberal rallies, actions and movements, including the notorious 31, are dispersed. But Sergey Kurginyan in his last speeches focuses on civil actions. And this is forgive, not quite familiar to us rallies and actions. What is this? And these are friends and colleagues, maybe group statements from parents of schoolchildren to the local education department, and these are claims of citizens of one or even several social groups, and these are mass civil initiatives in local authorities.

To make it completely clear what we are dealing with. One small fact. Kurginyan supporters are planning, or rather are already preparing to implement the concept "Charter School", "Charter Education". This is for those who do not want experiments with their child in the field of sex education and other pedagogical methods and techniques of the Ministry of Education in a secondary school. This is for those who do not want the school psychologist to see the picture of your child, where the mom and you dad in the picture will be more and in the spotlight than your child, do not call the guardianship. In France, these functions are performed by Catholic schools. For the elite of the West, private schools. And S. Kurginyan proposes this on a general basis and is legally justified. Someone will say that this is a parallel world for the country. However, remember what I wrote above, namely the inability today to change the course of the state even within the framework of one political force. As they say a forced measure. Will there be success in Russia in the field of charter schools? This is what Sergey Yervandovich himself says about this:

“... So, my dear, dear ones, the charter law: everyone has the right to the proportion of public funds allocated to the child! If two hundred, one hundred, or as many people as needed, charters collected and want to go to a school free from dirty tricks, no one has the right to interfere with them! And this is state money, so here, in charter, the principle of private, rich schools, and the principle of schools for the poor are equalized. Moreover, they have the right not only to a share relying on a child (and no one can withdraw this share from a child, no one can transfer it to the mother’s or father’s cottages) - this is given to the child to eat, to drink I had textbooks so that he would have a rest, and if his parents are still disadvantaged (in alcohol, for example), this does not mean that they cannot transfer money in this way ... ”

But what Sergey Kurginyan says about Civil territories:

"... We are creating a civilian territory, and on this civilian territory there will be a mass of other schools, yes, with developed programs, with a return to the Soviet – Russian tradition, with clearing all of this from moral evil, with such a suppression of attempts to shove children drugs and other that everyone will be frightened and everyone will move away from these schools, very far. Then civil action and civil protest will be united.
We do not delegate to the citizens everything. We perfectly understand the functions of the state, we sacredly honor the principle of a great centralized state and territorial integrity, we perfectly understand what a great army is, everything like that, we perfectly understand what a frame structure is, but if you need it to be in a reasonable condition even 5 years, we CAN'T put an entire generation in the hands of hidden or explicit juveniles for these 5 years. And also all the others. And bring yourself to protest .... "


Several years ago, Kurginyan, in one of his speeches, namely in the video entitled: "Kurginyan finish off Syria, Iran, and two years later for Russia " It directly states to the teaching staff and students of the Lebedev Physical Institute that in order to overcome the negative scenario for the Russian Federation, we need a supporting class, which must clear out the elite. See how it should be with 23 minutes, but for a complete and correct understanding of the picture, watch the video completely. I refer you to this video for a reason, since it is there that the alternative to “civilian territories” is shown, are you ready for this alternative? Let everyone ask themselves about it.

Now I want to return to the title of the article: "Sergey Kurginyan on the way to the USSR between drops of liberal rain ?!" Why so? Firstly, due to the choice of tools. One can discuss endlessly what is more here - a liberal or democratic approach, and a dry, impartial lawyer generally sees only a purely legal aspect in this matter. But for a wide audience, I repeat, the concept of “civil society” is perceived as a typically liberal principle, naturally characteristic of the West. But even if it is dry to approach this problem without emotions, in fact, Sergey Kurginyan offers elements, a little bit, of the same Anglo-Saxon law. However, this statement is easily disputed, since the self-organization of the population is not a sign of Western law. Such nuances and maneuvers are very important, especially in the light of the struggle of the “Essence of Time” movement with juvenile justice, as a product of their legal system. One way or another, Anglicisms were voiced, examples from Western closed schools, too. Is it good or bad? History teaches us that weapon the enemy, and in our case the organization of the legal life of Western society, can and should be used for good. The main thing is not to go through the lifestyle and values. Secondly, there is probably already a rhetorical question: how exhausted are other methods and techniques for returning to the socialist and Soviet way of life? Is the whole choice really reduced to the institution of fanatics and support groups or to the notorious “civil territories”? And thirdly, and very important, too, doesn’t Sergey Yervandovich open the Pandora’s box? Namely, does the “track” for schools “madrasas”, and for especially liberal centers and LGBT territories, be? The very idea and principle deserves deep respect and system analysis, reflection. Sergey Kurginyan, as he himself admits, is building a movement on the basis of network structures, a la "Muslim Brotherhood." My personal and purely subjective opinion is that he relies on the majority, which so far remembers what the USSR is and are some hidden carriers of his ideas. Thus, it is possible at the expense of just such a majority, and it is planned to turn the state course of the country to a more natural than Western one. If so, then there is a chance. But it is worth remembering that the majority of it is painfully unsteady, imbued with the spirit of consumption. And the minority is the opposite - creative, mobile and often monolithic. Therefore, followers of the movement "The Essence of Time" should be ready that the liberals will peck at them for the similarity of certain principles, smear and even publicly offer cooperation. In addition, given the development of mechanisms for the implementation of the "new" left-wing ideas through civil institutions, plagiarism and sheer discredit are not excluded.

I do not know if the Kremlin’s project is Kurginyan, but the fact that we lack this kind of conceptual discussion is a fact. Hence, Serdyukov, and Smetanov, etc. We love to criticize "House-2", but essentially discussing the case of the ex-Minister of Defense, we are no different from those who discuss the stars of the TV project. Let's get to the root, friends.
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  1. Just Vasilich
    Just Vasilich 6 June 2013 06: 32
    Dear author and forum users!

    I apologize for interfering in the discussion with the announcement off-topic.
    For those who are not in the know, an announcement was published on the site about the annual poll-2013 “Assessment of State and Political Figures”. Here is the link:

    This is a second survey, the first was conducted exactly a year ago and had a wide response on the site. This year, the persons involved in the survey (objects of assessment) are:
    1) Joseph Stalin
    2) Nikita Khrushchev
    3) Leonid Brezhnev
    4) Mikhail Gorbachev
    5) Boris Yeltsin
    6) Vladimir Putin
    7) Dmitry Medvedev
    8) Viktor Yanukovych
    9) Alexander Lukashenko
    10) Nursultan Nazarbayev

    To participate in the survey, you must submit an application in any form to the email address [email protected] In response, the survey participants receive a file in Excel format, which must be returned in full by 20 June 2013 year.

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    1. Komodo
      Komodo 6 June 2013 07: 07
      Quote: Just Vasilich
      To participate in the survey, you must submit an application in any form to the email address [email protected] In response, the survey participants receive an application file in Excel format, which must be returned in full by June 20, 2013.

      Why such difficulties? How many people will want to perform a similar procedure, how many will actually perform? In general, you buried the survey with similar difficulties.
    2. Grigorich 1962
      Grigorich 1962 6 June 2013 07: 28
      put the form here. here and answer
      1. Just Vasilich
        Just Vasilich 6 June 2013 11: 20
        Why such difficulties?

        put the form here. here and answer

        The questionnaire does not consist of a couple of questions for which you need to choose one of the proposed answer options. The survey used more serious and, accordingly, more informative methods. Unfortunately, they cannot be implemented on the site online. Hence the chosen way of sending, filling out and returning evaluation forms.

        However, if you are fans of mini-polls like "Do you support your president's policies?" with the answer options "Yes" or "No", then it really is not worth joining the survey participants. People gather there who are not afraid of mental work and are ready to sincerely express their opinions.

        These are the people I invite to participate in the survey. Sorry again for intruding on this topic.
        1. Komodo
          Komodo 6 June 2013 11: 47
          Quote: Just Vasilich
          Unfortunately, they cannot be implemented on the site online

          Is it possible to fly on a plane online, but cannot be done a survey? Do not be too lazy, hire a button, let it do it, if not all, then in parts. It's worth it. Lose some green papers, but availability will increase, respectively, and the result will be more accurate.
          In general, encompass not only the socially active part, but also those numerous, for whom elementary laziness, once, reluctance, then ... etc.
          I've posted.
    3. Nevsky
      6 June 2013 12: 30
      Just Vasilich

      I apologize for interfering in the discussion with the announcement off-topic.

      You do not accidentally avenge me for my terror in a personal on the topic "Contact? Have a contact!" laughing
      1. Just Vasilich
        Just Vasilich 6 June 2013 19: 21
        Nevsky: You do not accidentally avenge me for my terror in a PM on the topic "Contact? There is a contact!"

        No, of course, Stas, welcome! hi
        Just on the website, articles flicker with kaleidoscopic speed, and all forum users do not have time to familiarize themselves with them. My article announcement about the survey left the main page in 12 hours. So you have to dodge, publishing additional announcements about the survey, although I run the risk of running into negative.

        Now, essentially your article. Kurginyan’s concept has the right to life, and you set it out well, for which many thanks! But, I quote:
        Author: ... how exhausted are other methods and techniques for returning to a socialist and Soviet way of life? Is all choice reduced to the institution of fanatics and a support group or to the notorious “civilian territories”?

        No, they are not exhausted, there are alternatives. For example, I prefer the "Big Dash Strategy" of the Izborsk Club:

        There are also thinking and patriotic people there. I believe that by the very 2017 year that Kurginyan is talking about, the consolidation of all the healthy forces of society will take place and, finally, it will take on self-cleaning.
    4. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 6 June 2013 15: 02
      I think the comments should be in the subject. I'm not sorry.
  2. Komodo
    Komodo 6 June 2013 06: 51
    on the way to the USSR

    If anyone gets there, I will go with them to the end. With great relief, I will throw out all the "democratic values." There is still time to do something useful.
    Need a leader. Reformer, builder, revolutionary.
    This is not desirable: "the struggle for the Central Bank has been going on for 13 years."
    I'm afraid I won’t wait.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 6 June 2013 10: 00
      Quote: Komodo
      If anyone gets there, I will go with them to the end. With great relief, I will throw out all the "democratic values." There is still time to do something useful.
      Need a leader. Reformer, builder, revolutionary.

      I support. Only the Soviets and Socialism, and the Union. There is no alternative to this.
      1. neri73-r
        neri73-r 6 June 2013 16: 07
        I, too, for any squeeze, except for a hunger strike! (C) I join!
    2. FC SKIF
      FC SKIF 6 June 2013 23: 07
      Stas, as an idea cool communism, or at least socialism, which is the ideal system now, but our Putin V.V. often behaves like a liberal, but behaves like a LEADER, and pulls out the country, albeit very slowly. I wrote about this in the article "A Few Words in Defense of Putin". Looks like "Bulldogs under the carpet" have not yet "settled" everything. Sorry, but there is no charismatic person from the "opposition" and is not visible (and not necessary). Personality - (that is, GDP), you can fit the cult under it, the main thing is to fit the topic. And Kurginyan is a thinker, very smart, intelligent, intelligent, interesting (you threw me a link about Andropov), but, damn it, it was just those who were in power during the collapse of the USSR and ... So let the GDP, there are no others. As who will appear on 1/6 besides him, immediately speak.
  3. luka095
    luka095 6 June 2013 06: 53
    One cannot but agree with the author of the article that there is a shortage of ideas that one wants and needs to discuss and analyze. Kurginyan’s ideas are interesting, although at first glance they may seem utopian.
    In fact, the road will be overpowered by the walking one, not the one sitting and consuming ...
    Article plus.
  4. Petrovich-2
    Petrovich-2 6 June 2013 07: 07
    Kurginyan is an intelligent man.
    However, his lectures for 3 hours to listen intensely.
    1. Airman
      Airman 6 June 2013 09: 46
      Quote: Petrovich-2
      Kurginyan is an intelligent man.
      However, his lectures for 3 hours to listen intensely.

      I believe that Kurginyan, as an Armenian, defends the interests of Armenians. The confrontation between Armenians and Russians is taking place not only in the Stavropol and Krasnodar regions, but already in the Urals. They are already striving for power there, oppressing the Russians. And with a large number of immigrants from the Caucasus: Armenians, Azerbaijanis, Georgians and from Central Asia, the creation of large and powerful diasporas leads to destabilization of the situation in Russia. those in power, by virtue of their tolerance (what the West will say, human rights), support these occupiers, thereby violating the rights of the indigenous population. Academician SAKHAROV was right when he said: before giving freedom and secession, ALL REPRESENTATIVES OF THIS NATION must be evicted from Russia. Remember that Azerbaijanis, Tajiks and others worked with the Russians (and not only removed) in 1991-1993: killed, raped, forcibly expelled from the republics. This was not covered in the press, because the EBN could not protect its citizens on the territory of "sovereign" states. And now the "citizens" of these "sovereign" states are climbing into Russia, trying to establish their own order. Russia will be destroyed not by external enemies, but by internal ones.
      1. Nevsky
        6 June 2013 12: 28

        I believe that Kurginyan, as an Armenian, defends the interests of Armenians. The confrontation between Armenians and Russians is taking place not only in the Stavropol and Krasnodar territories, but also in the Urals.

        What is this vinaigrette for? How much do you get paid for this? First, you take an interest in the USSR 2.0 project and its place in other nationalities, it is more than worthy there.
        1. dmb
          dmb 6 June 2013 12: 54
          I wonder which sounds better: "You m..k" or "You m..k". Dear Alexander, I hope you understand that this is for your opponent, not for you. (I try not to swear, but sometimes too much). Very good article, competent. If I were you, I would try to place it so that Kurginyan himself could read it. While in many respects I agree, I do not share some of his ideas. But he gives the impression of a thinking person and not too involved with the authorities. (I still cannot understand that he and some other respected people were brought to the empty-hearted Prokhanov.) Such articles, in my opinion, will help him find ways to implement his correct ideas and discard unnecessarily intricate and utopian ones.
        2. Airman
          Airman 6 June 2013 21: 28
          Quote: Nevsky
          [b] P

          What is this vinaigrette for? How much do you get paid for this? First, you take an interest in the USSR 2.0 project and its place in other nationalities, it is more than worthy there.

          I’m RUSSIAN, and I support Russia, but you don’t sew to Russia .......... sleeve!
          1. Nevsky
            6 June 2013 21: 34

            I’m RUSSIAN, and I support Russia,and you don’t sew to Russia .......... sleeve!

            Please explain what you meant in the second part of the sentence?

            By the way, I am also Russian. Only like the remaining 20 million Russians after 1991 remained on one of the fragments of the Empire - Ukraine. Someone less fortunate: Central Asia, Chechnya. And someone in chocolate now is arguing whether it is worth fighting for the lost territories and population. Should I sew on my sleeves ... hi
      2. smile
        smile 6 June 2013 13: 57
        Yeah ... well. so let's take the Nuremberg laws - only about Russians. The rest will be driven into bantustans and happiness will become in Russia for us ... and what - half of the population behind the barbed wire, the second half guards it and enjoys life ... and most importantly, an unprecedented rise in the welfare of the country's population will follow ... yeah, I forgot - you must be soaked with Gypsies, you must respect the tradition ... you just wonder how lively the ideas of the unforgettable aloizievich are ...
        Mentioning the false nits of Sakharov, as well as Solzhenitsyn who applied their little hands to the destruction of the country, and, therefore, involved in the transfer of the Russians in the republics, the protector of the Russian people very paints ....
        We will not talk about the fate of Russians in the republics, I myself have raised this topic more than once, but this can only be discussed with adequate people ...
        And as for the internal enemies, you are right ... only, I suppose, it is worthwhile to attribute to these enemies those people who are going to evict half the country, neo-Nazis, and besides (wonderful water in the cloud!) Loyal apologists of Sakharov ...
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 16: 00
          Speaking about Russian-Azerbaijani relations, one cannot ignore such an important issue as the creation of excellent conditions for Russian citizens to live in Azerbaijan. Currently, more than 120 thousand Russians live in Azerbaijan - this is the largest Russian diaspora in the South Caucasus, which has preserved its ethnic identity, culture, linguistic and religious identity.

          All conditions have been created in the republic so that Russians, as well as representatives of other nationalities, fully integrate into the socio-economic, political and cultural life of the country. The Russian community is a real link between our peoples.

          It is gratifying that, unlike many republics of the former USSR, over the years of independence, the scope of the Russian language in Azerbaijan has not narrowed, but on the contrary, it retained its position in almost all areas of public life. Today, students from more than 20 comprehensive schools have the opportunity to receive full secondary education in Russian, and in 327 schools classes are conducted in Azerbaijani and Russian. All state and private universities of the country have faculties and sectors in which students receive education in Russian.

          Baku Slavic University, a branch of Lomonosov Moscow State University, and the Samed VURGUN Russian Drama Theater operate in Baku.

          Please do not confuse Azerbaijan with other republics ...... hi
      3. escobar
        escobar 6 June 2013 15: 13
        If you follow your dubious logic, then Mikhail Poghosyan defends the interests of exclusively Armenians. Silly. negative
        1. smersh70
          smersh70 6 June 2013 15: 50
          Azerbaijani government conducts alternative negotiations

          As a result of the efforts of the Armenians holding senior positions in the Russian aviation industry, negotiations on the purchase of Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 combat aircraft ended to no avail

          Armenians in leadership positions in the Russian aviation industry have hindered negotiations between Azerbaijan and Russia on the purchase of military aircraft. APA was advised by military sources.

          According to information received by the Azerbaijani side, as a result of the efforts of Armenians holding senior positions in the United Aircraft Corporation, as well as in MiG and Sukhoi enterprises, negotiations with Russia on the purchase of Su-27, Su-30 and MiG-31 combat aircraft ended to no avail. Russia refused to sell combat aircraft to Azerbaijan, with the exception of the Yak-130 training aircraft.

          Currently, the Azerbaijani government is conducting alternative negotiations to strengthen the fleet with new military aircraft.
          1. escobar
            escobar 7 June 2013 12: 51
            Don’t tell me laugh. Similar questions are solved at the very top based on the considerations of nat. security. And the fact that they did not sell is the right decision.
      4. smersh70
        smersh70 6 June 2013 15: 56
        About how P. Grachev really related to Azerbaijan, about his role in the Karabakh war and much more, Vesti.Az correspondent talked with the former Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan Ragim Gaziev, who, as you know, had friendly relations with Grachev.
        ---- The meeting of the heads of state of the CIS member states began, to which Azerbaijan was invited as an observer. The Azerbaijani delegation was led by Aydin Azizbekov, then vice prime minister. And then Yeltsin enters the hall while intoxicated. Morning in the yard, 10.00, and the Russian president is already drunk. She can't even talk normally. The meeting was opened by the President of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, who congratulated our delegation ... on the return to power of Ayaz Mutallibov.

        During one of the breaks of the meeting, I wanted to go up to Yeltsin and speak with him. Victor Barannikov, Pavel Grachev, Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Vazgen Sargsyan, the then Minister of Defense of Armenia, stood next to him. Yeltsin hugs Ter-Petrosyan, kisses him and says in a loud voice: “Listen, Levon Akopovich, I’ll put these Turks on your knees in front of you.” During that break, I could not talk to Yeltsin. But at the next break I managed to talk to him. Yeltsin remained seated in his chair in the conference room, and Grachev and Barannikov stood behind him. I approached him and said: “Boris Nikolaevich, I am not only the Minister of Defense of Azerbaijan, but also a member of the board of the Popular Front. The one who stood up for your defense in the days of the August coup. And now you support Mutallibov, who in the newspaper Pravda called you a schizophrenic, and who has always been on the side of Gorbachev. " And then Yeltsin seemed to be sober. He turned his head in the direction of Grachev, who was standing behind him, and roared: "To leave!" Only a few days later I realized that he ordered Grachev not to support Mutallibov. As General Shcherbak, the commander of the 104th Airborne Division in Ganja, told me a few days later, he was ordered by Grachev to advance with his paratroopers in Baku and support Ayaz Mutallibov. But then Grachev canceled the order.
        1. Andrey57
          Andrey57 6 June 2013 21: 42
          It was not the Armenians in the aviation industry that "interfered with the negotiations" on the purchase of aircraft, but your wagging your tail in front of the mattress mats, there are already posters flashing in Turkey with the inscription that Aliyev will be next. "Friendship" with mattress covers did not bring anyone to any good.
  5. Grigorich 1962
    Grigorich 1962 6 June 2013 07: 26
    In many ways, I agree with Kurginyan ... common sense, which also visited me. We must distance ourselves from the West, from its anti-moral values ​​... to protect our children from moral decay, to protect our families from juvenile justice. Create these "zones" in which we can save our .... Russian .... Slavic. The future is really worried. With such a Government with the MDA, we will soon start kissing the West passionately ... but we need it ?? !! ... We are a self-sufficient nation with a great history and identity! And we have nothing to bow before Western values. And each of us must realize this !!
  6. fenix57
    fenix57 6 June 2013 07: 35
    Quote: Just Vasilich
    I apologize for interfering in the discussion with the announcement off-topic.
    For those who are not up to date on the site

    Thank you, sent your opinion!
    I put a plus,
    just for
    that he didn’t glorify anyone ....
    And they say "astrologers", "and will come, but on a white horse and a man, and with the name of the Russian, and in TWO years will raise RUSSIA"
  7. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 6 June 2013 08: 10
    I agree with Kurginyan, I myself have long argued that only upbringing, the education of a new person, in new schools, will enable us to step over selfish degradation. Such schools are needed now. A new school should not just provide a set of knowledge. The essence of the new school is to educate a normal person, with normal universal values. The creation of such schools is not only the concern of a leader, it is the concern of parents. Only a community of parents who want well-being and well-being for their children can accelerate the process and keep under control school education. I hope that most parents do not care who their children grow up
  8. Gardamir
    Gardamir 6 June 2013 08: 13
    Ideas about civilian territories. have been visiting me for a long time. Let it be only a few hectares, but it will be a revived mini USSR.
  9. valokordin
    valokordin 6 June 2013 09: 16
    Мit’s not hard to imagine that the leadership of “United Russia” went against the core of its electorate: pensioners, workers, military and just patriots. I would not say that United Russia relies on this electorate. EP represents the interests of the bourgeois and corruption officials. The oligarch is without EP, it is self-sufficient. The capital of the oligarchy abroad.
    1. Nevsky
      6 June 2013 16: 26

      It’s hard for me to imagine that the leadership of United Russia would go against the core of its electorate: pensioners, workers, military and just patriots. I would not say that United Russia relies on this electorate. EP represents the interests of the bourgeois and corruption officials. The oligarch is without EP, it is self-sufficient. The capital of the oligarchy abroad.

      But I proceeded from the fact that the EP publicly adheres to this. All the same, workers Uralvagonzavod и Poklonnaya Gora, then Luzhniki. Even if it is symbolism and props, it is still a fulcrum in the media space.
  10. melkar
    melkar 6 June 2013 10: 13
    In my opinion, the video with Kurginyan’s speech was enough, without retelling from the author, because he perverted ideas very much, I don’t know how deliberately, but thanks for submitting for discussion.
    Although it is scary that there is no discussion again, again, babbling about Armenians, United Russia, etc.
    It’s just that Vasilich got in here in general with the goals of disrupting the discussion. According to voting advertising is more than enough everywhere, so no, the first post he turned arrows in a completely inadequate direction
    1. Nevsky
      6 June 2013 12: 24

      In my opinion, the video with Kurginyan’s speech was enough, without retelling by the author

      I will answer with a quote from another reader to this article:

      Kurginyan is an intelligent man.
      However, his lectures for 3 hours to listen intensely.

      I do not have editing skills to tear out everything interesting from 3-4 hour performances.

      because he perverted ideas a lot, I don’t know how consciously,

      What is the perversion? He quoted direct quotes from Kurginyan, links to complete ones too. I just showed a non-standard approach of political power for the first time in 20 years of the post-Soviet space, namely the rejection of traditional and customary PR actions and working methods.

      but thanks for submitting for discussion.

      Please drinks
  11. individual
    individual 6 June 2013 10: 22
    Recall the television debates of S. Kurginyan and N. Svanidze.
    A systematic 80-85% victory in S. Kurginyan’s debate always raised the howling of the liberals, which the people are not like that, they are not voting right.
    Moreover, it should be noted that all the media, TV and the liberal government sided with Svanidze. It was believed that the better the preconditions for Russia's development and prospects, the greater the opposition of these dark forces.
    Voting Shows that voting people and the liberal elite live in different dimensions, in different states.
  12. fenix57
    fenix57 6 June 2013 10: 49
    laughing No, I'm curious, because the comment is "harmless". Ali, your "anger" is directed at astrologers ... Yes, the flag is in YOUR HANDS AND A TRAIN TO MEET (WANTED THROUGH Ю WRITE). wassat
  13. Mhpv
    Mhpv 6 June 2013 13: 10
    Statements are being made more and more often that the 2017 year is just around the corner. Probably because there is some kind of analogy between those years and the current ones. Lack of firmness and determination in the country's political course, corruption and theft of those in power, impudent oligarchs to the limit, migration politics, etc. All this is like ripe chiri. People understand that they again became nobody in their country. More often they sound - Stalin, the USSR, which means that people need a leader and not a wizard, although I do not consider Putin as such , but also something prevents him from fully revealing himself, but a state that cares about people. Many may say that the USSR also did not care much about the people, but we who were born and raised in it have something to compare with and we understand that you couldn’t return it, but this is precisely where the goal arises as with Kurginyan, you don’t need to return anything, you have to go ahead taking the best. The Communists in this case are probably not able to lead people like that before, they need to change radically inside the party and only then try something.
    In general, a leader will appear who will play on the feelings of people and lead him. The question is different because many of us are not politically literate, moreover, many do not know stories anymore, because everyone knows how to teach it in schools and other educational institutions, therefore , promising like EBN with shit, you can go anywhere.
  14. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 13: 42
    Hmm ... the brainstorming session didn't work. From criticism: Armenian lobbyism and 7 silent cons. Liberals. Awww! Where are you, do not be silent, since "minusanuli" !!! fellow
  15. Mhpv
    Mhpv 6 June 2013 15: 04
    Quote: Povshnik
    I believe that Kurginyan, as an Armenian, defends the interests of the Armenians.

    dressed in a Moscow family of scientists. Father - Yervand Amayakovich Kurginyan (1914 — 1996), “a native of a remote Armenian village” [5], was a professor of modern history and a specialist in the Middle East. Mother - Maria Bekman (1922 — 1989) was a senior fellow at the Department of Literature Theory of the Gorky Institute of World Literature, a specialist in T. Mann, and the author of several monographs. His maternal grandfather, Sergei Nikolaevich Bekman, is a hereditary nobleman, a descendant of the Swede Beckman, who came to Russia and entered the service of Ivan the Terrible, and the Polish noble family Bonch-Osmolovsky, a white officer who switched to the Reds was shot in 1938 [6] . The mother’s grandmother is Maria Semenovna Bekman, a noblewoman from the Meshchersky clan from Smolensk, daughter of the nee Princess Meshcherskaya [7].
    In general, it is difficult to call him an Armenian.
  16. Ishtan
    Ishtan 6 June 2013 15: 08
    We have a political club at the university, the founder is a member of "The Essence of Time". We study the foundations of all types of wars, countering mass effects, looking for an idea for the USSR 2.0
  17. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 15: 41
    Just Vasilich]Dear author and forum users!

    I apologize for interfering in the discussion with the announcement off-topic.

    Uv. administrators of the site "VO". That is why I repeatedly bring up the topic of creating a "readers' news" section on the site so that this does not happen. As a result, 3-4 top posts are off topic. Here's what you need to do on the site and the like:
  18. Mhpv
    Mhpv 6 June 2013 16: 05
    Quote: smersh70
    Armenians in leadership positions in the Russian aviation industry have hindered negotiations between Azerbaijan and Russia on the purchase of military aircraft. APA reports this from military sources

    This was reported to the Azeri Press Agency sources in the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan.
    More details:
    For a long time and off topic.
    1. smersh70
      smersh70 6 June 2013 19: 26
      If you follow your dubious logic, then Mikhail Poghosyan defends the interests of exclusively Armenians. Silly.

      that was the answer ..... to a friend ....
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 6 June 2013 21: 53
        the dubious logic is just yours, since Poghosyan is not the government that makes the decision — this is the time, two, I’ve allocated you a source of information, on the Russian side I don’t have such information, I browsed the Internet, and for three, everyone sees what he wants to see, in this case you saw Poghosyan, that is, an Armenian, and for you he is not acceptable, which means he is a stumbling block between Azeibardzhan and Russia, what a pity that a person can be judged by his last name.
        Then who do you think this person is?
        1. Nevsky
          6 June 2013 21: 59

          Do not crucify, Azerbaijan has long been mentally and culturally different civilization unfortunately. recourse Another generation will pass, and there will be no sharp comments like that. Is it interesting that Apollo wrote in this thread ?! hi
          1. Mhpv
            Mhpv 6 June 2013 22: 09
            Well, perhaps I’ll add a little more for clarity, I apologize for being off topic:
            "The history of the Air Force of independent Azerbaijan began on April 8, 1992, when an Azerbaijani pilot, senior lieutenant Vagif Kurbanov, who served at the Sitalchay air base, where the 80th separate assault aviation regiment was based, hijacked a Su-25 aircraft and landed it at a civil airfield in Yevlakh. The number of combat aircraft in Azerbaijan has increased immeasurably. The number and level of combat training of the pilots of the Azerbaijan Air Force has also changed. If in 1995 there were only a few pilots in the Air Force, now there are several hundred well-trained pilots in the ranks of the armed forces of the republic. and internships in Turkey, Germany, USA and other countries. "
            That's the whole answer.
  19. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 16: 13
    This is some sort of ..... c! What’s the day off today? am am I hoped to hear the points of view on the possibility of civil-patriotic initiatives, the problems of the left movement, and on the reanimation of the USSR on new principles. And it all came down to the Armenian-Azerbaijani confrontation. The author is from Ukraine. Article on the Russian resource. Oh ... recourse

    Where are you gone Ascetic and other site analytics? what
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 6 June 2013 16: 25
      It's just the end of the day hi
      Many comments on articles, as usual, "started for health, finished for peace" yes
      I think by the evening everyone will appear.
      1. Nevsky
        6 June 2013 16: 32

        God grant drinks

        It's just that "civil territories" are a new phenomenon in the Russian Federation, especially that it was proposed left forcesand not liberals who care about human rights. laughing
        1. Mhpv
          Mhpv 6 June 2013 16: 54
          This is the most interesting thing, that there is no single and clear concept of what liberalism is.
  20. Mhpv
    Mhpv 6 June 2013 16: 32
    Let's try to push the people with the words of Kurginyan:
    "Manifesto of the" Essence of Time "movement

    In 1991, the USSR collapsed as a result of a catastrophe called “perestroika”. And a new system was established - anti-Soviet, anti-communist - the System, which was deeply alien to us.

    But our rejection of the System has never passed - and never will - into the rejection of the Russian Federation, a state that is extremely imperfect, and almost tightly soldered to the System.

    Aware of the acuteness of the present moment, we reiterate that no defects of this state justify perestroika-2, with its calls for the dismemberment of the Russian Federation, provocatively called "Putininna", "erefiey" and so on.

    We declare that no matter how imperfect, and sometimes ambiguous, this state is, the duty of every responsible citizen is to prevent a new perestroika, another amputation of the territory "in the name of recovery." Prevention of a new robbery of a decayed country by local thieves and their western patrons.

    The people should not lose the state, no matter how imperfect it may be. For, having lost the state, the people will lose everything.

    Based on this political axiom, we will form a broad opposition patriotic coalition.

    As for ourselves, we regard this imperfect state as a springboard from which alone an offensive in one direction or another can begin. “In whatever direction this offensive develops: Soviet (USSR 2.0) or all-imperial, it is possible only if there is such a bridgehead,” we always said and repeat now. “If this bridgehead disappears, there will be nothing but a collection of surrogate ideological ghettos: pseudo-nationalist, pseudo-communist, pseudo-democratic, and so on."
    And more:
    "And - in the future.

    We have always saved and will save the precious bridgehead for us called the Russian Federation. This bridgehead does not belong to the elites, but to the people. Not to conservatives or liberals, but to all of us. He is our last chance for a historical fate.

    If liberals deal with the destruction of the state, they will get a rebuff.

    If the government, as in the days of Gorbachev, begins to encroach on the state itself, surrendering it, dismembering it into parts, undermining its integrity, it will be rebuffed.

    If it is necessary to fight on two fronts, we will fight on two fronts. "
    1. Nevsky
      6 June 2013 16: 47
      Mhpv , are you by any chance from Ukraine, in particular from the South-East? ”Here the most painful topic is the collapse of the USSR, many are close to their hearts, and even through their hearts they carry it out.

      Sergey Kurginyan is 100% right. At this stage, I see only one minus of it, and although I am not a racist and have a normal friendly attitude towards Armenia, this is his last name. Even on this resource, where the word of the four letters of the USSR is not an empty phrase, they played the national card. What to speak for open spaces of a runet?

      I was born in 1985, but even 6 years of my childhood was enough for me to sober up from liberalism by the age of 25 and understand what we have lost. If I tell you now that our kindergarten was taken to the sea once a week for free in the summer, few people would believe the modern generation. And it's not even a social package, although this is also important. People were ...
      1. Mhpv
        Mhpv 6 June 2013 17: 01
        To the point. I’m from the once dying largest industrial Lysychansk. True, I have not lived there for a long time since 95, but he is my Motherland. In general, I have received a lot of good from 71 from that state. Alas, it's time to run away and drive home for almost 2 hours more. . hi
      2. smersh70
        smersh70 6 June 2013 19: 30
        You look at how Kurginyan’s ideas are pushed. All the lies a couple of days ago were here about him, and everyone spoke out mostly against him .... now here again his crazy ideas again .. I once wrote here, as in the 90s Kurginyan Yeltsin was protecting himself with foam at the mouth. on ORT, and now they are fighting at the mouth of RTR with Svanidze, who right now is a supporter of the ideas of liberalism and Yeltsin ......... that is, Purginyan is a co-worker. and always wants to stay afloat.....
        1. Nevsky
          6 June 2013 20: 41

          Everyone is mistaken.

          Only id ..... you do not change your views. W. Cherchel.

          In general, we all got lost and lost in the 90s, we believed in something, a fairy tale about capitalism and democracy. Honor and praise, who woke up and came to his senses. hi
          1. smersh70
            smersh70 6 June 2013 21: 35
            this is not a mistake --- this is betrayal, revisionism, as the WIL said. and the title of the article resembles a joke about Mikoyan, - comrade Mikoyan, it’s raining on the street .... nothing, my friend, and we will walk between the tricks laughing
            1. Nevsky
              6 June 2013 21: 41

              I am glad that you have a sense of humor. By the way, if you are scared or not happy with the restoration of the USSR, then nobody will forcefully drag on bayonets in 1917. Live calmly in accordance with traditional Islam, if possible, in the light of events in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Syria ... Turkey is a separate conversation ...
            2. Mhpv
              Mhpv 6 June 2013 21: 58
              everyone has the right to make mistakes or mistakes, each idea has a right to exist, but not every one has to be implemented, you decide where the truth is and where patriotism is cheers.
              Can not be forced.
        2. yuriy_dashkin
          yuriy_dashkin 6 June 2013 23: 12
          Now I often remember the end of the 80s. How many hopes there were .... I was about 20 years old, and I was an avid liberal, I read Jose Ortega y Gasset, Camus, etc., and I was sure that liberalism is the best thing that humanity could come up with. And now I really support Kurginyan ... People are changing))) So - ... What matters is what a person is doing now. And now he and "The Essence of Time" are doing more than all the patriots put together.
      3. Andrey57
        Andrey57 6 June 2013 22: 01
        And I was born in 1957, so I have a super graft from "liberalism" good
  21. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 16: 59
    Quote: mhpv
    This is the most interesting thing, that there is no single and clear concept of what liberalism is.

    If we open the wiki, then we will definitely find, again a few definitions laughing
    1. Mhpv
      Mhpv 6 June 2013 17: 07
      It turns out that liberalism is like our laws or the rules of the road — each one is interpreted in its favor.
      1. Nevsky
        6 June 2013 17: 15
        I do not want to repeat it once again, I have already written a publication on this subject. What such interpretations lead to:
  22. Mhpv
    Mhpv 6 June 2013 17: 21
    Quote: Nevsky
    even though I’m not a racist and I am normally friendly towards Armenia

    I don’t have very flattering memories about Armenia, they were a voucher class in Kamo and Yerevan back in the 88 year, although in general, again, it probably depended on some individuals with whom I had to communicate, but in general it was nothing. But this is a topic for another conversation .
  23. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 21: 47
    Quote: Andrey57
    It was not the Armenians in the aviation industry that "interfered with the negotiations" on the purchase of aircraft, but your wagging your tail in front of the mattress mats, there are already posters flashing in Turkey with the inscription that Aliyev will be next. "Friendship" with mattress covers did not bring anyone to any good.

    He said everything about the case. good

    Azerbaijanis, do not want the USSR and the great homeland to return where we were brothers, do not participate in the discussion .. Wait for your Arab spring and the caliphate.
  24. Nevsky
    6 June 2013 22: 12
    Quote: Andrey57
    And I was born in 1957, so I have a super graft from "liberalism" good

    That's for sure!!! drinks
  25. Avotiya
    Avotiya 17 June 2013 08: 44
    Quote: FC Skif
    the country, albeit very slowly, but pulls out

    Don't tell my sneakers, my dear. How does he pull out? In the WTO he "pulled out" - and this is a mock death of those remnants of the industry that did not plunder and did not manage to finish off in 2 years of crap. Under Yeltsin, the country fell in a steep dive to the bottom of the abyss - to a complete dispersion. Putin has stabilized the fall. It began to be carried out along a gentle descent. But this is still a descent into the same abyss. You have to pull it up, and they propose it. If Putin manages to stay in power and does not allow another breakdown into a steep peak, it will all be over by 2017 anyway. Because Putin has mothballed regression. Regression!!! And progress is needed to pull out the country