Motor Sich Company Presents Ukrainian Helicopter in Russia

The Motor Sich Company, in the framework of the largest European helicopter exhibition which opened in Moscow, presented a helicopter of its own production, MSB-2.

SME-2 is built on the basis of one of the most honored helicopters in the world stories - Mi-2. However, it differs from its prototype by a more powerful engine: instead of the traditional GTD-350 power units, a modern, more powerful turboshaft AI-450M turbine engines produced by Motor Sich are installed on the Ukrainian helicopter.

Also on the helicopter is a modern air navigation complex. In addition, MSB-2 is equipped with new fuel tanks on the external sling, which made it possible to increase the useful volume of the cargo compartment, increase the ergonomics of the passenger compartment and increase the flight range.

In particular, the range of the machine presented in Moscow is 550 kilometers at a maximum speed of 235 km / h, and cruising - 200 km / h. The maximum take-off weight of the new helicopter is 4 tons. The certificate of the developer of this helicopter, Motor Sich, was obtained in 2011, and in April, 2013 began its testing and preparation for mass production. To certify the helicopter is planned before the end of this year.

The passenger version of the helicopter is presented in Moscow: it is capable of taking on board up to 9 passengers and is controlled by one pilot. Such helicopters are planned to be used to deliver goods and passengers to remote and inaccessible settlements, as an air taxi, for corporate transportation, etc. In addition, Ukrainian engineers developed several other modifications of the MSB-2: machines designed for emergency situations, sanitary aviation, fire extinguishing, processing of agricultural crops.

And for military needs, a modification of SME-2MO was created: in addition to the usual equipment, two weapon farms are installed on such helicopters to house blocks of unguided rockets or universal gun containers.

The estimated cost of the SME-2 helicopter is 1,5 million dollars. At the same time, according to Motor Sich, the total need of Ukraine for helicopters of this type is 400-460 machines, of which 300 is for the needs of the national economy, and 100-160 is for the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the fire brigade, sanitary and border services.

Comments

[kosmos44]

This is "your"! As always. No comments ....

[Algor73]

"... presented a helicopter of its own production... "Learn to read, and not see only the bad.

[ayyildiz]

Well done Ukrainians! If they stop the internal political war and pay more attention to the economy, they have a very big prospect!

[fktrcfylh.h09]

So Motor Sich seems to slowly redirect its production to Russia (moving), who knows?

[svp67]

That is, most likely in Poland they "bought out" the equipment for the production of Mi2 and set up production at home ... Well, you say, quite a good move. They spin as they can, there is a lot to learn. It remains only to find out what the prospects for this reincarnation of Mi2 will be. And it is high time already on the territory of Russia to organize the production of its own helicopter engines, especially since there are all the prerequisites for this ...

[characterization]

you are evil uncle

[Alexander D.]

Quote: svp67

That is, most likely in Poland they "bought out" the equipment for the production of Mi2 and set up production at home ... Well, you say, quite a good move. They spin as they can, there is a lot to learn. It remains only to find out what the prospects for this reincarnation of Mi2 will be. And it is high time already on the territory of Russia to organize the production of its own helicopter engines, especially since there are all the prerequisites for this ...

Prospects will be for the simple reason than buying an AW in Italy and spraying funds for financial assistance to NATO countries, Ukraine decided to independently produce helicopters of a similar class. Moreover, our president opened the fashion for flying around cities by helicopter.

[fktrcfylh.h09]

they are made, but not enough ..

[Professor]

Well done.
MSB-2 - Mi-2 upgrade option from Motor Sich

[pensioner]

Beautiful car! Hello Professor. On the Mi-2 I flew quite a lot and fly. All the old ones already. The paint on the fuselage of layers 5-6 has. A replacement is requested. I look: it’s like that for gas workers, oil workers, etc. And you can say: the cost of operation compared to Mi 2 - how? About...

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Hello Professor, sorry that is off topic, but do you have 10 in service?

[Professor]

Quote: Alexey Prikazchikov

Do you have 10 in service?

Not. Helicopters, F-16 and, more recently, UAVs took over the function of attack aircraft.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

No offense, if anything, but the skill is already relieved from the heart.

[Lord of the Sith]

They are being reduced in the USA too, 275 are left and most likely they will not participate at all in future operations. In one of the news a year ago it was written that 17 squadrons would be fully withdrawn to the reserve.

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

We also reduce the rooks and more than 200 in the troops they will not be.

[svp67]

Quote: professor

MSB-2

It would be interesting to know what SME means.

[Fregate]

Quote: svp67

It would be interesting to know what SME means.

The first two letters are apparently Motor Sich, and the third is probably the Future.)))

[mga04]

SME - Motor Sich Boguslaev

[atos_kin]

Motor Sich Boguslaev - the name of the general.

[Akim]

Quote: professor

Well done

To be honest, I visually do not like the entrance to the salon through the "ass" - although the designers know better.

[Vanya]

but functionally

[Semurg]

such a helicopter was needed yesterday well, at least today they did it, it remains the matter of poor quality of performance, operation and maintenance.

[Alexander D.]

Quote: Semurg

such a helicopter was needed yesterday well, at least today they did it, it remains the matter of poor quality of performance, operation and maintenance.

Well, since they produce an engine for the entire nomenclature of Milevskie helicopters, then the quality of execution on Motor Sich is at a level!

[seller trucks]

Motor Sich Company Presents Ukrainian Helicopter in Russia

Copyright held by KB Mil, I wonder if there is a license? or as always counterfeit

[Professor]

More than 1965 years have passed since the 25 year. There is no copyright anymore.

[stranik72]

There are copyrights, so he and SME-2.

[Professor]

Copyright has a maximum limitation period of 25 years. And the name was changed in order to show how "new" helicopter it is.

[stranik72]

Once again, now in more detail Mi-2 is the developer of Milya Design Bureau and its trademark, helicopter manufacturer Poland, and this right also remains with him. Ukraine cannot make any modifications to the Mi-2 design that are not agreed upon with the Developer. This is international law, just like Poland, by the way, and Miles can do anything without them. Now the AI-450 engine as part of MI-2 is being tested at Mila. Ukraine, in order to gain some experience in the development of helicopters, took Mi-2 as a basis, and together with Poland and Antonov Design Bureau plus, during this time Boguslaev trained several young designers at the Moscow Aviation Institute, including internships, who developed this one while the helicopter mock-up is flying under the name MSB-2, and this is their helicopter, therefore what you are talking about does not carry any truth in your remark.

[Professor]

Quote: stranik72

Once again, now in more detail Mi-2 is the developer of KB Mil and his trademark, the manufacturer of helicopters Poland, and this right also remains with him.

You absolutely do not own the material. No copyright lasts forever and for a helicopter developed in the 1960's, it has not been extended for a long time. Now Mi-2 can be done by anyone who wants to completely legally.

[stranik72]

Well then, I just absolutely have nothing to talk about with you. Try in the world of aviation before that no one else did. Although judging by the flag, there was already something. Mirage and then in my opinion they called him a kfir? France seemed even outraged, a bit.

[Professor]

Quote: stranik72

Well then, I just absolutely have nothing to talk about with you.

Laws are stubborn and the terms of copyright are clearly stated there. I’m declaring this as a person who has registered several patents. I can start throwing links, but tearfully ask you to believe in words.

Quote: stranik72

Try in the world of aviation before that no one else did.

Forced to disappoint you, the Tu-4 was one-on-one scuffled with the American B-29.

Quote: stranik72

Mirage and then in my opinion they called him a kfir? France seemed even outraged, a bit.

It's true. Most of it was stolen. We had to design some elements ourselves; not all documentation boxes were stolen in Switzerland.

[stranik72]

"I have to disappoint you, the Tu-4 was one to one scrapped from the American B-29."
Yes, this is so, just do not "disappoint" me, the leading designer on this topic at the Technical University and most other specialists, just you were. Only I repeat it was not a B-29, but a TU-4, and by the way, with completely different characteristics. And the Mi-2 and other equipment, despite your references, no one, not even China, has ever been made under its original brand.

[Professor]

Quote: stranik72

The leading designer on this topic at TU and most other specialists, just you were.

Then I was not even born.

Quote: stranik72

Only once again I repeat it was not B-29, but TU-4, and by the way with completely different characteristics.

Everything was copied there, one to one (there were troubles with the translation from inchey to the metric system), right up to the stand under the stake and the hook on which the pilot had a home camera. The fact that they couldn’t hold on to some x-ki (which I doubt) is another conversation.

Quote: stranik72

And Mi-2 and other equipment, despite your links, no one, even China, under its original brand, no one ever did.

Are you again for yours? Mi-2 already in the 1985 year lost ALL of its copyrights. Everything. Another thing is a trademark. If it was registered (which I doubt), then the release of Mi-2 under a different name, for example MSB-2, is absolutely legal. Ask any copyright attorney.

[stranik72]

For my own, I work there, about the brand for sure.

[Professor]

I'm glad you're working there. Go to the Patent Office, they will educate you about the limitation period of copyright. Regarding the Mi-2 trademark, I am not sure that it was ever registered at all. In the USSR, such "nonsense" was not fouled.

[stranik72]

Yes, it has already passed, Ukraine (Vinitskiy ARZ) tried to establish production of MI-2 there 3 years ago, they turned to Poland, they sent them to us, (there is no MI trademark in the world), copyright (as a developer) is confirmed, the only thing is that upsetting, according to our tradition, "not to themselves people" were denied. Although they spent a lot of money on creating the production of HB blades, created composite tail rotor blades from 0, and did a lot of things worthwhile for the Mi-2, even a glass cockpit, for the Air Force, a couple of 10 helicopters were installed from the repair fund in a simple configuration, we help GA keep it still in the sky. Yes, people like Boguslaev have to pray, but we are all playing the sovereigns. Here, athletes have recently applied, asking for the Mi-2 to be returned, they are not pulling foreign cars for sports, let's see if Uncle Vova gives the command to return.

[Professor]

Quote: stranik72

copyright (as a Developer) is affirmed

Go to the patent department, they will enlighten you on the statute of limitations of copyright. If I can’t do it myself, I’ll throw off the links to regulatory legal acts.

[svp67]

Quote: professor

Forced to disappoint you, the Tu-4 was one-on-one scuffled with the American B-29.

Well, this is not entirely true ... Tu4 was a rework of the B29, yes, but not completely identical, since it was made in the "metric" system, and not in the "inch" system for Soviet-designed engines ...

[dominatus]

Stop talking nonsense. what's in this helicopter from Mi-2?
Engines are different, avionics is different.
The helicopter was invented by the American Igor Sikorsky. he patented the car. He patented the design of the machine itself, a single-screw circuit with a screw swashplate. CB "Mila" - bought a license from him?
On what basis did it manufacture and produce helicopters?
admit honestly - the toad crushes that others managed to do something to which neither the imagination nor the skill themselves had enough.

[stranik72]

"The helicopter was invented by the American Igor Sikorsky." Fool, the helicopter was invented by Leonardo Da Vinci, Yuryev's swashplate, about imagination and skill, are you talking about the Jew Mil, or about the Russian Ukrainian Boguslaev, why a cry. They have already proved everything to everyone, we have a controversy with the professor on the topic of whether the design bureau has lost, the Mi-2 developer's Milevskoe right or not. And I saw the Boguslaevsky helicopter live, a beautiful model, God forbid it fly EVERYTHING,

[dominatus]

Judging by your style, you just have screams. And yell because you still cannot clearly explain - does the Mil design bureau have a license to manufacture an aircraft similar in shape, design and layout to the device (Vought-Sikorsky 300), patented by Sikorsky in 1939, and even more similar to the S-55.
The fool is you. No need to pose as a scholar - any student is aware of the work of Da Vinci. And only a complete idiot can argue that the Da Vinci drawing was a prototype of a modern helicopter. By the way - how long did Da Vinci last in the air? That's it, and the Vought-Sikorsky 300 flew by. With the same success, Da Vinci can be called the first designer of modern tanks. Only such a fool as you can call the prototype of a modern tank is not a Renault FT-17 but a drawing of an Da Vinci armored vehicle.

Since you are so well aware of SME-2, then list what is common between Mi-2 and SME-2.

[Windbreak]

Quote: dominatus

and the Vought-Sikorsky 300 flew by

Before him there were quite a few flying helicopters

[dominatus]

Patented?
The question is not who first flew. This is a license issue. Agree - the USSR did not buy a license.
So, talking about copyright on the Mi-2 is stupid. Moreover, in the SME from the Mi-2 there was practically nothing left except the fuselage.

[seller trucks]

It’s even hard for me to imagine what kind of screeching a gang of Pharisees from Israel would have raised, at least touch their copyright, but unfortunately for 60 years of the state’s existence they have not invented anything, perhaps except for the "Merkava", terrorists, what to do.

[Professor]

Quote: seller trucks

but unfortunately for 60 years of the state's existence they have invented nothing, perhaps except for the "Merkava", terrorists, what to do.

You know how to flood, but with a knowledge of international copyright you have a bad time. Mi-2 cannot be counterfeit, since too much time has passed since its creation.

[11 black]

Quote: seller trucks

For 60 years of the state's existence, they have invented nothing, perhaps except for the "Merkava"

As far as I know, the Merkava has serious engine problems, Israel ordered 2012 replacement engines in 800, but they will only start arriving in 2013, so the Merkava is not yet a Merkava

and on the topic, so replacing mi2 has been asking for a very long time - it's a shame a little that we are not ourselves, but you can’t succeed in everything and everything, and the modernization seems to be quite good. Russia needs such helicopters very much - especially in the sanitary (to the north) and the Ministry of Emergency Situations (fire fighting) so it would be nice to establish joint production ...

[karbofos]

It is time for Ukraine to join the Customs Union. our market is just ready for such products and indeed the military-technical cooperation without problems in any field from automatic to missiles !!! article plus

[dominatus]

1. What remains of the MI-2 (except for the fuselage)
2. The helicopter was invented by the US citizen Igor Sikorsky, his invention is patented. Does the Mille Design Bureau have a license to manufacture helicopters in general? The very design of the machine, a single-rotor circuit with a screw swashplate is an invention of Igor Sikorsky.
Or is the Mi - 2 a completely new machine that has absolutely nothing to do with the Vought-Sikorsky 300 created in 1939 and the S-55 created in 1949?

[11 black]

Quote: dominatus

The helicopter was invented by the US citizen Igor Sikorsky, his invention is patented. Does the Mille Design Bureau have a license to manufacture helicopters in general?

Do you have it?

[dominatus]

There is. Exactly the same as yours. How much did you pay for the license to Sikorsky Aero Engineering Corporation?
We are exactly the same.

[11 black]

Quote: dominatus

There is. Exactly the same as yours.

hey - in the 1 post back you claimed that we don’t have a license, so where did it come from now?

in 2 Igor Sikorsky was a Russian émigré and the first citizen of his Russian empire, he also studied at Russian schools and institutes, so calling him a US citizen is rather a Russian who acquired US citizenship, but it doesn’t mean that Milevians developed their own turntables themselves, and did not copy from Sikorsky. All parts were designed from scratch - by the way about the details:

this helicopter has a lot from 2 — for example, a rotor with hinged blades — a copy from the M2, a transmission, all its gearboxes, shafts and couplings — a copy from the MI2 fitted to a new engine, a booster control system with hydraulic boosters in the longitudinal and lateral control channels and control the general step again stripped off the MiNUMX, finally the supporting fuselage structure is semi-monocoque of the 2 parts - and again from the MiNUMX. All these devices are designed by KB Mil for 2 helicopters - please present a license.

[dominatus]

You do not understand the irony.
I said that our license is exactly the same as yours.
That is - no. You also do not have it. The USSR did not buy any licenses for the production of helicopters.
So, it is foolish to demand a license from someone who himself, at one time, did not acquire licenses. Present the license for the production of Mi-2.

Read the posts below, there are answers to your question about the license.

[mga04]

"Boguslaev always explains his right to modernize helicopters with international practice at the first opportunity:
- In Europe, a standard has been issued - if the developer refuses to modernize the aircraft for the operator, then the latter has the right to hire a competent contractor to replace any main module. Ukraine has joined the standard. Now we have our own certified design bureau in Zaporozhye, production with ten years of experience. "
Author support for the MI-2 helicopter was discontinued in the 80s. Boguslaev and his Motor Sich have the right to do whatever they want with this helicopter. In addition, the old Soviet helicopters do not have a certificate of the type of aircraft they were introduced into production by government decree. And the absence of a type certificate removes all legal restrictions for changing the design of an aircraft.

[stranik72]

Almost to a point, only international rules speak of something else, see FAR-21, if the country that undertook this, has in its structure an AT developer recognized by the world community, and in Ukraine there is Antonov, so if Boguslaev wants to certify the Mi-2 internationally standards, with modernization from Antonov (not the main, but secondary) then the flag is in hand, and if Estonia then no one will even speak to it. But there will already be problems with the main one, Miles will be needed. Therefore, Boguslaev went to replace the name (index) of the MBR-2 and Mi-8SBM (and, as they say, MI means Mistyachkovy).

[omsbon]

Stop feeding someone else’s producer, you have to do your own!

[pensioner]

Mi2 helicopter is very successful. If Ukrainians made a good version based on it, then why not establish joint production? They themselves in any way will not be able to establish production. If they only value their market at 400 boards, how much is needed in Russia? And we ourselves will try to modernize 2k-time we lose. /And more. Maybe they upgraded of course, but did not see it. And didn’t even hear. But to buy helicopters of this class beyond the hill is not an option. A helicopter pilot here - would enlighten ...

[Gari]

Quote: retired

A helicopter pilot here - would enlighten ...

Good day to all.
I am not a helicopter pilot and I myself am interested in hearing the opinion of a professional, but what I am sure is that there is a need for such machines if the Mi-2 has been used since the beginning of the 60s of the last century, I remembered the film ,, Mimino ,,, there were times

[Alexey Prikazchikov]

Ansat if we finish it will be mi 2 worthy replacement. True, with Eurocopters and amers we are too early to compete in light turntables. The main segment (in terms of payback) of this type of equipment is civilian. And here we have nothing to catch. I doubt that simple people and prosperous people will take ansats for it is too expensive and excessive.

[pensioner]

Hello Gary! Once upon a time, he taught physics to Armenians at EVACU. There were good guys! Almost friends. and what brandy (as a bribe) they urged me to - be crazy !! I didn’t drink anything tastier in life !! The cunning only, but not that attacked. Decrypted immediately (well, from 2-3 times).

[Gari]

Quote: retired

Hello Gary!

Hello, it was very nice to hear, but so cunning is the same, physics is not just sound, it is the basis of all sciences without exception,
I can’t forget, this poster hung at school in the physics office, but I'm very far from physics

[pensioner]

they tried to understand me to give out Karapetyan (1st of 5th or 6th I don’t remember) to both Bodosyan, Akopdzhanyan, Harutyunyan, and the other Karapetyans did not disdain this. I thought in a week their faces would be forgotten. Schazz.

[Gari]

Yes, student tricks, but you can’t be fooled

[andrejwz]

Thank you:

Quote: Gari

Mi-2 since the beginning of the 60s of the last century serves, remembered the film ,, Mimino ,,, there were times

I’m wondering, woeful patriots are not outraged by the presence of a Georgian actor at the helm of Mi-2?
They have already been puzzled by the quality of legal support for Motor Sich's developments. Outraged, are you lawyers? Where does bile come from?
The guys have developed and presented the car necessary for both Ukraine and Russia, as well as other republics (sorry, "independent states"). You need to congratulate.
If we pour pouches of mud on the neighbors, then ourselves in chocolate? It is necessary to work, not to flood.

[Civil]

Joint production of something with Ukraine is impossible in principle

[pensioner]

It depends on how you organize ... First, a joint. Then...

[characterization]

What are you talking about?

[Curculum]

Quote: omsbon

Stop feeding someone else’s producer, you have to do your own!

Ka-226TG: max. take-off weight - 3,6 tons with a payload of 1,3 tons, max. speed - 250 km / h, cruising - 220, practical ceiling - 5,7 km, range with main tanks - 500 km, passenger capacity - 7 people.
Ansat: max. takeoff weight - 3,6 t with a payload of 1,3 t, max. speed - 275 km / h, cruising - 220 km / h, service ceiling - 4,8 km, range - 515 km, passenger capacity - 8 people.
Ka-62 (medium multifunctional): max. take-off weight - 6 t with a payload of 2 t, max. speed - 308 km / h, cruising - 290, practical ceiling - 5,7 km, range with main tanks - 770 km, passenger capacity - up to 15 people.

[pensioner]

Thanks - enlightened. Why, then, everything on Mi2 and Mi8 in the north fly. Well, 8k is hard to replace, but 2k? Has the production of new ones begun or not? I have been working in kmndr in the north since 2007. I saw 8ki (and all sorts of it) and 2ki (old) and that's it (except for the Vipov imported ones for cones 2 times).

[Curculum]

Quote: retired

Has the production of new ones begun or not?

Russian Helicopters Holding Russian Helicopters and CJSC Federal Research and Production Center NefteGazAeroKosmos signed a contract for the supply of 18 new Ka-226TG light helicopters. Deliveries of helicopters are planned for 2013-2014. Under the terms of the contract, 6 Ka-226TG helicopters will be delivered in 2013, the remaining 12 helicopters are expected to be delivered to the customer in 2014. By the time the contract was concluded, the parties had signed the terms of reference and determined the configuration of the new machine. The Ka-226TG helicopter is a modernized version of the Ka-226T, designed in accordance with customer requirements specifically for operation in the Far North and the shelf of the Arctic seas in conditions of poor visibility and sudden changes in air temperature.
The Ka-226TG helicopter is equipped with a complex of on-board equipment with improved characteristics - KBO-226TG, which allows you to perform work in isolation from the main base, at night, with fog and high-density rainfall. Another difference between the helicopter and the basic modification was the presence of an additional fuel tank, due to which the helicopter flight range was significantly increased.
The Ka-226TG purchased by the NefteGazAeroKosmos Federal Research and Production Center is intended to be transferred to Gazprom Avia, which intends to use them to patrol the gas distribution system and other infrastructure facilities of Gazprom. Helicopters will also provide corporate transportation, repair work and will be involved in the provision of transport services.
Helicopter already certified.

[pensioner]

Well, wait then. To live ...

[Algor73]

And what is their price? SME-2 costs $ 1,5 million. The question is price.

[Akim]

Quote: Algor73

And what is their price? SME-2 costs $ 1,5 million

If you believe Wikipedia (tell me more reliable sources) for one Ka-226 you can buy 3 SMB-2. Or for one "ANSAT" - 2 Ukrainian helicopters.

[Curculum]

Quote: Akim

If you believe Wikipedia

You should have noticed that wiki is internetresource source, which, in turn, everyone is free to choose for their own faith. For some (do not think that I am about you!) And "Murzilka" is a source.

[Akim]

Quote: Kurkul

For some (do not think that I am about you!) and "Murzilka" - a source.

Therefore, I attributed: (tell me more reliable sources).

[Curculum]

Quote: Algor73

And what is their price? SME-2 costs $ 1,5 million. The question is price.

"The cost of one helicopter of the Ka-226T modification is about 28-30 million rubles."
http://www.pravda.ru/news/science/17-05-2013/1156622-0/
"According to D. Petrov, the cost of one KA-226TG helicopter for Gazprom in the ordered configuration is more than 300 million rubles."
http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/20120906164522.shtml
"However, there is no information on prices for the new Ansat yet. In September 2011, it was reported that the total cost of ten Ansat-U under the 2009 contracts for the Ministry of Defense was 10 million rubles."
http://periscope2.ru/2012/05/05/5871/

[Akim]

Quote: Kurkul

The cost of one helicopter of the Ka-226T modification is about 28-30 million rubles. "

Indeed Wikipedia is lying. So the Indians say that it costs about a million dollars.
http://indrus.in/news/2013/05/18/russia_wants_to_supply_ka-226t_helicopters_to_i
ndia_25119.html

[Curculum]

Quote: Akim

So the Indians say that it costs about a million dollars.

"The cost of one Ka-226T helicopter is about $ 1 million." - yes of mow.
And if we compare pricing with SME-2, then it is also necessary to take into account a customs clearance of 20 - 25% of the purchase price for deliveries to the Russian Federation.

[Akim]

Quote: Kurkul

it is also necessary to take into account a customs clearance of 20 - 25%

In fact, customs clearance is not provided for in the free trade zone. Moreover, such a crazy percentage. But by the way, I do not care. Let the logisticians consider them.

[Curculum]

Quote: Akim

In fact, customs clearance is not provided for in the free trade zone.

"Unified customs tariff. Rates of import customs duties. Section XVII: Means of land transport, aircraft, floating craft and transport-related devices and equipment. Group 88: Aircraft, spacecraft, and their parts" - http: // www. rusimpex.ru/Content/Custom/Poshlin/readposition.php3?section=17&group
= 88 & position = 2

[mga04]

What customs clearance? For the vehicle market, a helicopter will be made in Orsha; Boguslaev bought an aircraft factory there for this purpose. And judging by the pace of Boguslaev, while the KLA will be scratched, he will put the MSB-2 and the modernization of MI-8T in the stream in Orsha.
For Ukraine and others, the customer is building a plant in Zaporozhye (a site has been allocated), and while there is no plant, everything is done at Aviakon in Chuguev.

[Curculum]

Quote: mga04

For the vehicle market, a helicopter will be made in Orsha; Boguslaev bought an aircraft factory there for this purpose.

But this is very true, such competition (healthy) is necessary. Then it will become clear whose products will be in demand.

[trenitron]

I absolutely agree and I’ll add that this machine should never be allowed to enter the Russian market, nor can a joint project on this machine be conducted

[sergey158-29]

I am happy for the revival of any production in the post-Soviet space, so I will support some here ... GOOD FELLOWS !!! If only he did not remain in the only exhibition model. It’s a shame for the Russians, they have developed a modern ANSAT, but they won’t let them go into the series ... And as for the USSR’s developments, they built everything with the union and we all have rights to them, another thing ... try to do it yourself, as they say, and to you - WEAKNESS?

[bddrus]

\ Ansat is being supplied to the troops. What do you mean by "serialization"?

[shark]

Russia does not need this helicopter. We have enough of our own machines in this segment. They are both more modern and more reliable. These are both Ansat, and KA 62, Ka226, MI-34. Another question is that they are not produced in proper quantities. But this a question of demand. And this Ukrainian dragonfly is most likely intended to patch holes in the helicopter fleet of Ukraine itself, at the same time they hope to refuse to import our or European cars. There is not much money .. But we unfortunately need their engines! Just like air. In my look, the complete dependence in this matter on the manufacturer from the country on which you don’t know what to expect is a threat to national security. Although work is underway, I read that it seems that something is starting to stir up with engines for the KA-52 in Kazan. But this is not enough. with engines not only in aviation. Navy construction is slowed down, auto-armored vehicles are constantly inventing something with imported dvigl ... We damned moon rovers on the moon, but we can’t cope with a simple engine? Yes, we all can. They just missed the whole industry and I see that they would take it ..

[Vitaly Anisimov]

Ukraine again invents "Ural bicycles" ...

[dominatus]

Ukraine does not invent a bicycle.
Ukraine simply gets rid of the Russian monopoly on the production of helicopters in Eastern Europe and begins OWN production of this equipment. SME is just the first swallow (God forbid, that would not be the last) Dashing trouble began.
In the same way, the USSR started production of tanks in its time. When the American "Christie" was taken as a basis, they finalized it by creating the BT, which later (after the creation of the next, more advanced models) made it possible to create the T-34, KV, IS.
Those that were before the creation of the BT (for example, MS-1) - and that’s not to be called tanks. So, to hell and that bow on the side.

[gladiatorakz]

Well done guys, a great helicopter. Needed by everyone. Ukraine, Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, the entire Caucasus. Boguslaev is handsome! I think if Russia gives a worthy order, then they will be allowed to share. And the prospect of sales in foreign markets is great. All is well.

[Conepatus]

He would increase the range to 800-900km.

[Letnab]

such a machine is necessary! especially in sanitation! For extinguishing forest fires, it will only be used for transporting people, and then at short distances, for active extinguishing, it will not pull from the VSU-5A (spillway device). For a patrol, it will work if the cost of a flight hour is low, which I doubt. It would be interesting to compare with the Polish V-3 Falcon, also based on the Mi-2, but its value is awesome !!
The above data Ka-62. a helicopter from another niche, the class will be higher, this one is more or less suitable for fighting fires according to its characteristics, but also not yet in a series ... (

[pensioner]

A Ukrainian for patrolling, delivering specialists with equipment (for example, pilots or gas analyzers, etc.), an initial assessment of the scale of the accident - that’s it. And 8ku is not necessary to drive. And the volume allows you to download everything for a qualified examination of oil and gas pipelines + 2 specialists. And no more. And he will probably be able to sit down more where compared to 8koy.

[Windbreak]

Quote: Letnab

It would be interesting to compare with the Polish V-3 Falcon

[shark]

You specially stretched the picture? What would look more solid?

[GEO]

Quote: shark

Russia does not need this helicopter. We have enough of our own machines in this segment. They are both more modern and more reliable. These are both Ansat, and KA 62, Ka226, MI-34. Another question is that they are not produced in proper quantities. But this a question of demand. And this Ukrainian dragonfly is most likely intended to patch holes in the helicopter fleet of Ukraine itself, at the same time they hope to refuse to import our or European cars. There is not much money .. But we unfortunately need their engines! Just like air. In my look, the complete dependence in this matter on the manufacturer from the country on which you don’t know what to expect is a threat to national security. Although work is underway, I read that it seems that something is starting to stir up with engines for the KA-52 in Kazan. But this is not enough. with engines not only in aviation. Navy construction is slowed down, auto-armored vehicles are constantly inventing something with imported dvigl ... We damned moon rovers on the moon, but we can’t cope with a simple engine? Yes, we all can. They just missed the whole industry and I see that they would take it ..

Engines, like, Klimov in St. Petersburg for our makes and we abandoned Sichevsky

[Abakanets]

There is also a kind of joint production technology sich

[stranik72]

The Mi-2 was late with the modernization by 20 years. The helicopter itself, as a training desk, is excellent. But in order to certify it for mass use, it must be completely redone, and this will no longer be MI-2. The aviation rules for the creation of helicopters during this time have changed a lot, especially since some of the units of this helicopter in Russia and Ukraine are not produced at all. Yes, the design bureau is able to offer a new transmission and a rotor hub with a swash plate and much more, but this time and money, and they are already on the Mi-2. One option is to put Ukrainian engines on the Mi-2, and allow a helicopter to fly to the Moscow Region and DOSAAF. They are for the whole of Russia and we need no more than 200 pieces, we can handle it, there are still 600 pieces of them all over Russia due to the repair fund.

[pensioner]

Thank. He hoped to find out something. That is, still fly. And then let the young ones fly. On new ones.

[Ivanovich47]

Let's be happy for the neighbors. In our difficult economic time, they created (copied) a good car. Let them produce it! I think. that all sorts of unpleasant remarks are out of place. Let them fly, heaven is enough for everyone!

[shark]

I would warn against rainbow pan-Slavic fun. Competitors, on the other hand.

[Fofan]

is it "your" mi-2?

[Uzer 13.]

Last year there was information that MI-2 helicopters were decommissioned. Now it turns out that they haven’t gone anywhere and they’re in full use. Nobody can be trusted! Moreover, it turned out that the cat wept and could not afford to buy new helicopters. And I I thought that there are so many helicopters in the north that they stand near each plague, lightly sprinkled with snow, and they tied deer to them with a rope so that they would not run into the forest.

[Wlad59]

Boguslaev is handsome ... the avionics on the MSB-2 are French (Sagem), a gearbox and propellers: new, Mil. To promote helicopters to the Russian and Kazakh markets, he bought an aircraft repair plant in Orsha. And he also managed to "knock out" UAH 700 million from the budget under the helicopter program. ((The plans for the near future are to set up production of the modernized Mi-8 (MSB-8) and the development of a "purely" Ukrainian helicopter, in the weight category of 6 tons.

[Kars]

Quote: wlad59

Boguslaev handsome

And what museum did he make in his own name. Just a class. In front of the museum there is a platform with Mi-24 on a pedestal, and many samples of military equipment from Cruise missiles to Hyocinth B

[Conepatus]

Well, okay. But the man is busy with business and does not allow the industry to bend. If he can still make Ukraine a helicopter-building country, then he should be praised. And Yanukovych-p about c.

[Warrawar]

Down with Ukrainian counterfeit!

[stranik72]

Let it fly, for our Ansat and KA-226, only for limited, internal use, and the Mi-34 theme is closed, there is no engine for it.

[on it]

Attack helicopter MSB-2

According to Motor Sich, the total demand of Ukraine is 400-460 cars, of which 300 are for the needs of the national economy, and 100-160 for agricultural structures.

Just a circus! Especially for the needs of nh! Under the cut budget.

The niche of helicopters weighing 2-4 tons is the most demanded in the world. In this regard, a design bureau was created at Motor Sich JSC, which will independently develop helicopters of this class.

.... however, the Russian side does not show interest)))))

[OTAKE]

This is nishtyak!

[Gecko]

Selling a given helicopter to Russia is like offering an Eskimo to buy ice.
Without joining the Eurasian Union, Ukraine has no prospects of selling high-tech products to Russia and other countries of the Eurasian Union, and Europe does not need your products.
An attempt to produce this helicopter in Belarus may stumble upon Mil’s claims regarding the issue of counterfeit goods, and these issues will be resolved in the Customs Union easier, especially in a union state.
In foreign markets, this helicopter will compete with the Polish clone Mi-2, in the face of a conflict of interest.

[Fofan]

Quote: gecko

Do not worry so. Ukraine has a lot of layouts. Well, one more will be added to the heap to the scimitar, damask steel, bmp and others like them. By the way, the fifth generation fighter they have not yet decided to do?

[shark]

Plus, very accurately noticed!

[Wlad59]

As I understand it, you consider the helicopter and aircraft engines that Motor Sich annually sells to Russia for hundreds of millions of dollars as "low-tech" products. Did I understand correctly?

[Gecko]

Read carefully.
Selling while you are not in the EU.

[Wlad59]

I read it carefully .... "Without joining the Eurasian Union, Ukraine has no prospects of selling high-tech products to Russia and other countries of the Eurasian Union ..." - and the EU (European Union) will never accept Ukraine. (so that Russia will buy both engines and helicopters.

[Gecko]

Oh, if only, all your parties (except for a few communists) are racing to the EU "away from the Eastern barbarians", while competing who is the strongest to throw mud at Russia.
Russia is interested in cooperation, but Ukraine is not, the desire to make money in Russia and at the same time to blame Russia is not cooperation.
Even the association of Ukraine with the EU makes it a kind of offshore for European goods that can flow into the Customs Union without protective customs payments, ruining our remaining industry.

[Fofan]

Quote: gecko

can flow into the TS without barrage of customs payments, ruining our remaining industry

it feels like the child is being told why planes fly. I would also explain to the children why Russia will buy only engines, but not helicopters.

[Marconi41]

Mi-2 has always been in demand both in agriculture and in DOSAF and among athletes. So if Ukrainians pull the serial production, then the Russian Federation will also not purchase them in small batches through private companies. It's all about the final price of the product.

[Fofan]

Quote: Marconi41

Mi-2 has always been in demand both in agriculture and in DOSAF and among athletes. So if Ukrainians pull the serial production, then the Russian Federation will NOT purchase them either in small batches through private companies. It's all about the final price of the product.

Russia will purchase the RF Antsat and Ka226, and Ukraine will become a forest

[dominatus]

Flag in hand and wind in the back.
In Russia, the light did not converge.

[dominatus]

Ukraine has signed a contract with China for the supply of aircraft engines for Chinese fighters. The amount of the contract is 5,7 billion dollars.
http://topwar.ru/28877-ukraina-postavit-v-kitay-aviacionnye-dvigateli-na-57-mlrd

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