Ukraine is interested in joint production of An-124 aircraft with the Russian Federation - Deputy Prime Minister

Ukraine and Russia are preparing to implement a pilot project for the joint production of An-124 military transport aircraft. This was announced by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government, Yuriy Boyko.

According to him, the parties also plan to expand cooperation in the implementation of projects for the production of a number of other aircraft models. "Our proposal, supported by Russian colleagues, is to make a pilot project for the production of An-124, show how it works, and then go on to deeper integration with respect to other aircraft, both passenger and specialized," said Boyko.

The An-124 aircraft is attractive to Ukraine’s partners in the Russian Federation, the Deputy Prime Minister noted. "This is a very large aircraft, which can lift about 100 tons of cargo, take off from short lanes," - he stressed.

The Deputy Prime Minister noted that a joint venture (JV) could be created for the implementation of the An-124 construction project. “The most realistic project is the construction of an AN-124 aircraft by a joint venture, taking into account the contribution of each party,” he said. The Ukrainian side can bring a technological base and an innovative component to such a joint venture, while the Russian side can introduce a financial component and a market for sales. "In this case, the intellectual property of the joint venture should be protected by appropriate documents from the transfer to a third party," the deputy prime minister added.

According to Boyko, the creation of a joint venture by Ukrainian and Russian manufacturers aviation technology will allow them to avoid competition among themselves and to promote the promotion of joint venture products in the markets of third countries. “We are interested in the joint venture starting work as soon as possible. Russia has its own achievements, we are our own. If there is a corresponding pool of efforts, this, of course, will have a positive effect,” he said.

The Vice Prime Minister also expressed confidence in the successful implementation of projects for the construction of aircraft developed by the Ukrainian state enterprise Antonov. “All Antonov airplanes, and now more than 5000 flies them in the world, are very reliable machines. And the projects for their release will only be developed,” added Boyko.

Comments

[Ragnarek]

joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything

[Nicholas C.]

So it is said: "The Ukrainian side can bring a technological base and an innovative component to such a joint venture, and the Russian side can bring a financial component and a market for sales."

[Phantom Revolution]

Quote: Nikolai S.

financial component and market for sales. "

Those. only Russia will pay, but the completed plane Ukraine can if not enough for the Chinese if you sell Che?

[orff]

The situation is poor: In aircraft manufacturing, Ukraine asks for a financial partnership from Russia, although in anticipation of an incident with the EU, they could ask Europeans for money. Here are just a vector of activity of the vast majority of Ukrainian enterprises aimed at Russia. I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction. This year should be cleared up.

[AK-74-1]

Not a crazy situation. The situation indicates that part of the original Russian territory separately exists only with real sponsorship. And the main sponsor - America has no opportunity to provide the An-124 production with the proper resources, they themselves do not have enough of these resources.

[elmir15]

Quote: orff

The situation is poor: In aircraft manufacturing, Ukraine asks for a financial partnership from Russia, although in anticipation of an incident with the EU, they could ask Europeans for money. Here are just a vector of activity of the vast majority of Ukrainian enterprises aimed at Russia. I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction. This year should be cleared up.

Everything is known in comparison - now Ukraine has chosen the EU, accordingly Russia is curtailing many projects, introducing visas, and after some time even about European-minded Ukrainians, they will understand that they have chosen the wrong friend and will force the authorities to turn to Russia, but the EU backwards))) and enter in the TS, as a result of which mutually beneficial cooperation will come about, the abolition of visas, prosperity and other benefits.

[Russophile]

Only questions arise: in what form will Ukraine be asked in the TS and who will correct and correct everything there and with whose money?

[Suhov]

Quote: orff

I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction.

Long search by the leadership of Ukraine for orientation:
West or East
indicate that:
The management - homosexual.

There is something to do with this ...

[bremest]

re-"crush the Swedes" .....

[Gecko]

This is from the same opera as with Georgia with their water, wine, fruits. They are breaking into the EU under the motto Russia-the enemy, but for some reason they want to sell their products to their enemy, because in the EU their fucking chacha is not needed, and the Georgians somehow need to earn money.

[Interface]

It turns out that we will give them money, and they will repair the plant at home? Well, noooo, they’ll manage, we’ll better organize production at our place, it’s cheaper and more reliable. And what kind of aircraft quality will also be unknown, wagons go off the rails in the Urals due to defective Ukrainian-made platforms, and what will happen to the plane ....

[Alekseev]

The babble of the minister.
The technological base remaining in Ukraine from Soviet times over 20 years has been largely lost. Nobody invested anything. The Kharkov plant under the USSR produced more than a hundred Tu-134 a year, and now only a few are giving birth with a creak
That's why they launched the production of An-148 at VASO. If such an enterprise were preserved in Ukraine, they would do it locally.
And Ruslan will be made in Russia if there is a need and a political decision.
Most likely, Ukrainian factories will also participate in this, on pragmatic terms. Within the framework of business cooperation with the UAC. And no joint venture will be required, because this is an extra link, to which Boyko, "Broneboyko" and other lovers of cuts and kickbacks can easily cling to.

[vladimirZ]

Enough for politicians in Russia and Ukraine to vomit. The matter must be done in the interests of aviation in Russia and Ukraine. There is nothing to fly in the regions.

[Frogfoot 255]

C'mon, we have pennies too

[AK-74-1]

No one argues that you have a penny. Although there is another opinion http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/pravitelstvo-v-panike-v-kazne-ostalos-800-tyisy

ach-griven-deputat.html
It's not about pennies, but in resources. For the production of An-124, titanium, magnesium, aluminum alloys, and gold are needed. And all this is needed on an industrial scale. Ameristan can only help with contracts for futures for resources, but not physical volumes. For production, futures and American candy wrappers are not needed. We need real physical volumes and constant timely deliveries.

And the last thing you can talk about with the authorities of Ukraine after that http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_05_25/Akcija-seks-menshinstv-prohodit-v-Kieve-nesmotrja-
na-zapret-suda /
As far as the execution of the court decision is known, this is the direct and immediate duty of officials of any authority

[deviljaga]

An-124 production requires titanium, magnesium, aluminum alloys, and gold. And all this is needed on an industrial scale.

Ukraine has NO problems with titanium and magnesium (Zaporizhzhya Titanium-Magnesium Plant, Magnesium CJSC), gold can be bought anywhere (the question is only in price), but there is no aluminum (in fact, there is no aluminum in Russia either)

[SHARK]

And RusAL ?, not Russian aluminum?

[deviljaga]

I don’t argue with the fact that there is aluminum production in Russia, but whose producers do these raw materials use (more precisely, what is the ratio of Russian raw materials to imported raw materials?)?
And Ukraine can also melt rough aluminum in Ukraine.

[sergey958ss]

aluminum can be remelted, but stamping on power elements where to get?

[coast]

made a laugh from the heart, in Russia they don’t even know what is and the brothers tell us that we don’t have aluminum

[bremest]

Of course you can buy gold, but where can I get a penny on this?)))))

[sashka]

The issue is not the price but the availability of money. That’s why Russia didn’t think so much about Tochikiston. ? There are bauxites (aluminum). We can afford to find and do what we want and when we want. For a fee, of course .. What can Ukraine offer? Besides scandals and brainwashing?

[lesnik.]

Ukraine has NO problems with titanium and magnesium

Russia, too.
VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation OJSC is a Russian metallurgical company, the world's largest producer of titanium - ingots and all types of semi-finished products from titanium alloys. The corporation occupies more than 30% of the global titanium market.

Solikamsk Magnesium Plant (SMZ OJSC) is one of the oldest and largest currently operating magnesium plants in the world, producing not only metallic magnesium and its alloys, but also compounds of niobium, tantalum, titanium and rare earth elements, a wide range of chemical products.

[demeen1]

and, if you have pennies, then ask Russia, or you have your own, and Russia has money to raise your enterprises and your well-being

[coast]

And we don’t want, as long as there are Azarov and Ich !!!

[Siberian German]

why not pay bucks inflated for technology, the Chinese pay and do not complain

[valokordin]

Quote: Ragnarek

joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything

Do not exaggerate, everyone pays for himself. It's time to do something together. The plane is painfully good.

[svp67]

Ukraine and Russia are preparing to implement a pilot project for the joint production of An-124 military transport aircraft. This was announced by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government, Yuriy Boyko.

I'm afraid that another "fairy tale about a white bull ..."
Again, Ukraine is showing a "strong" interest, most likely even leading agreements will be concluded, Russia also needs such machines, but what will happen next? So far, in other projects this is "further" sad, having fulfilled its financial obligations, Russia cannot wait for this from Ukraine and, for example, the An70 will remain so similar, at best in prototypes, at worst - it will begin to be mass-produced in China ...
So from such proposals just blows "a divorce on the grandmother ..."

[SmacXnumx]

The good news is it’s high time to restore the destroyed ties for the creation of aircraft, missiles. And through the economy to a rapprochement in the political sphere.

[domovoi]

it's a money scam. Have you seen how the AN-70 is already entering the armed forces in batches?

[Suhov]

Quote: domovoi

it's a money scam. Have you seen how the AN-70 is already entering the armed forces in batches?

Most reliable - do not rely on anyone!

[LINX]

According to AN-70 news dated 24.05.13

The Ukrainian and Russian sides are constructively cooperating in the implementation of the project for the production of An-70 aircraft for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This was stated in an interview to Channel 5 by the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko, the words of which are conveyed by his press service.

"We are now on a constructive track and are cooperating to accelerate the implementation of the An-70, which is to be produced for the Russian Ministry of Defense," said the Deputy Prime Minister, commenting on the meeting of the Ukrainian and Russian delegations chaired by Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko and Deputy Prime Minister of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, which took place last week in Moscow.

Speaking about the orders of 60 An-70 aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense, Boyko noted that the size of the order could significantly exceed the indicated figure.

"There were negotiations on a line of aircraft, there were also An-70s. If we move on to closer cooperation, then the number of aircraft involved will be much more than 60," the Deputy Prime Minister said.

[fokino1980]

The news is good, but this is just another statement from the Ukrainian government. There is not a single signed document, and most likely will not !!! These are their games, unfortunately !!!

[sashka]

Quote: Smac111

And through the economy to a rapprochement in the political sphere.

Not a Fact .. New pretexts and excuses will be devised to not fulfill the obligations undertaken. And at the same time continue to complain, cry and beg for money ..

[domovoi]

I hope Russia will not again step on the Ukrainian rake. they want to integrate at the expense of Russia, they are looking for a sponsor.

[sir.jonn]

Quote: domovoi

I hope Russia will not again step on the Ukrainian rake. they want to integrate at the expense of Russia, they are looking for a sponsor.

One hundred pounds again rake, at least with the wording given in the article.

Quote: domovoi

and the Russian one - the financial component and the market for sales

After all the stages of launching the airliner in a series in Russia have been completed, there will simply be no need (thanks for the grandmothers guys, and then we are the owners here alone). In addition to conflicts, such cooperation will not bring anything good, and the financial component will be sooooo no small. Obviously in such projects it is necessary to lay a component of the inseparability and equality of the parties; do together and sell together.

[gladiatorakz]

Both Ukraine and Russia are interested in this project. Financial profits, industrial development, jobs, science development, etc. More such joint and mutually beneficial projects - more threads connecting our countries.

[djon3volta]

if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus, then it would HAVE ALREADY ALREADY and UNINTERRUPTIBLY been produced jointly by both the AN-70 and AN-124.
and Yanukovych lacks the political will to send the West in three Russian letters. Lukashenko does this without fear, because he is under the cover of Moscow.

and Ukraine ...

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: djon3volta

if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus

If my grandmother had wheels, then it would be a tram.
Tired of these cries already. Any topic is raised immediately start moaning and resentment. Ukraine is such and such. Constructive - zero only babskiy chatter.

[Gagarin]

Well, what if she’s such and such? She’s an extremely unreliable partner and, I hope, ours will be smart enough not to mess with it! First pay for the creation, and then buy with the whole world.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Constructive - zero only babskiy chatter.

Consult with the gay EU with them, you better get today pedirasts from Europe and America under your protection along the Dovzhenko film studio walked, showing that they already have you.

[gladiatorakz]

cherkas.oe Judging by how the homosexual topic bothers you, they have just you. Your orientation is not interesting to anyone; do not stick it out. I am glad another that in Russia there were still real Russians, and not all like the devil.

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: gladiatorakz

Your orientation is not interesting to anyone; do not stick it out.

You, he-r-nya from under the nails, I wrote about your orientation and it is not necessary to transfer from a sore head to a healthy arrow, today we loaded our p-i-d-o-r-o-in in Moscow into police wagons and took away so that they do not stink, and you guarded with a "golden eagle", so that normal people do not knock out their heads.

[gladiatorakz]

Quote: cherkas.oe

Today we loaded our p-and-d-o-r-o-in in Moscow

So do you write a dog with autosack? Or didn’t everyone load it? And about the fact that you have a healthy head, then it's all nonsense. Zelenki drink a comb, we can and let go. Although it looks like a birth injury.

[Frogfoot 255]

Guys, why don't you love us so much? We are the same Slavs as you are. There are many "immigrants" from Russia living in Ukraine. We speak a different language, different skin color, blood of a different color ...? they think that if you live in Ukraine, it means against Russia. By the way, when we served, we had one HOMELAND. And joint projects, production, only bring us closer. And at the expense of money, sorry, the government is not chosen, "IT" comes by itself

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Frogfoot 255

Guys, why don’t you love us so much

Are you probably a stupid little brother? On the contrary, we love you very much, therefore we will now teach in an adult way, because your rulers do not understand hints, well, it will be shitty for a simple people, forgive me generously, then it will make you feel better.

[trenitron]

Yeah, for that you adore us. What you sow, you will reap ... maybe you heard such a proverb

[O_RUS]

Quote: Frogfoot 255

Guys, why don’t you love us so much? We are the same SLAVES as you are.

You're right ...

... but there is such - LLC! Maskaliki came in large numbers (they say that to any Russian)
... LTD! - guest workers arrived to shoot down prices

The separation of Russia and Ukraine sideways cost a simple resident of an independent

[sashka]

Quote: O_RUS

The separation of Russia and Ukraine sideways cost a simple resident of an independent

Naturally, Russia is to blame for this .. I did not look after my relatives suffering from autism ..

[O_RUS]

Quote: Sasha

Naturally, Russia is to blame for this.

Russia?! In August 91, the Verkhovna Rada declared the republic an independent state. August 24, 91 - this is the USSR.
The secession of Ukraine is a "conspiracy" of the watered elite of the UR, a desire to stay in power, to direct cash flows into a different "channel" ie. not to the budget of the USSR but to your own pockets

Sasha are you an hour not a liberalist?

[gigiperfetto]

Like - the Tsar is bad, but we are fluffy and have always been: during the Chechen campaigns, the war with Georgia. And if I tell you that from afar I already feel, besides the RUSSIAN SPIRIT, also the "Bulgarian" and "Polish" smell (I mean the state policy and its approval by the people). I noticed you said "we are Slavs", but you should have said "we are Russians." In 10 years you will say "we are brothers". Do you feel the trend?

[Corneli]

Quote: gigiperfetto

I noticed you said "we are Slavs", but you should have said "we are Russians." In 10 years you will say "we are brothers". Do you feel the trend?

Funny, in the USSR they also said that we brothers Slavs: Russians, Ukrainians, Byelorussians ... And recently it turns out to be no longer ... Russian current. How are you brainwashed !!! I thought at the current we have Bandera trying to make "heroes" ... no, "smart people" and live in Russia.
My version: I think in 10 years on May 9 you will say that ALL Ukraine fought with the Russians (USSR) and generally attacked the first without declaring war ...

[Orchestrarant]

They love women, men can only like it!

[deviljaga]

if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus

it would be much better if Ukraine was Belarus, then An-s were probably produced as Boeings

and Yanukovych lacks political will

Yanukovych has no political will; Akhmetov and several other businessmen have it

and Ukraine ...

and Ukraine manages to levy a customs fee as much as TWO times from the same product and no one likes it. That drag Ukraine into all kinds of TS and the Eurozone

[seller trucks]

And do you know that Ukraine wants to put 148 / 158 in the number of 5 pcs to the terrorist state of Sudan
http://www.unian.net/news/553960-nevziraya-na-sanktsii-oon-ukraina-mojet-prodat-
sudanu-neskolko-samoletov.html

[stranik72]

For some time now, Sudan has become a terrorist state, and which Sudan terrorized you if you shot down an 8, yes, it’s dangerous there and they pay for it, and it’s the turn of those who want to get there through the UN throughout the former USSR.

[seller trucks]

International terrorism:

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%E5%E6%E4%F3%ED%E0%F0%EE%E4%ED%FB%E9_%F2%E5%F0%F
0% EE% F0% E8% E7% EC
http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%EB%FC-%CA%E0%E8%E4%E0

learn materiel. I would include Ukraine and Georgia in this list, but for them terrorist No.1 fits

[Curculum]

Quote: seller trucks

learn materiel

Do you have a "Vika" - a cognitive resource of materiel? And more legitimately recognized sources - too lazy to seek or lack of time?

[Lexx]

Sudan is considered a terrorist state only by the United States and its allies. Although they separated the oil-rich South Sudan, you can rule out that they have achieved their goals. And how would it be that the Russian Federation delivered 2000 MiG-12s to Sudan in the mid-29s? Yes, and now there are military supplies.

[seller trucks]

Quote: Lexx

Sudan is considered a terrorist state only by the United States and its allies.

Is Ukraine not an ally of the United States, or am I missing something? as far as I know, Ukraine aims to integrate and join NATO.

[Wlad59]

As far as I see on TV, GDP hugs with Obama an order of magnitude more often than Yanukovych ... and Ulyanovsk serves as a transshipment base for NATO.

[LINX]

And do you know that Ukraine wants to put 148 / 158 in the number of 5 pcs to the terrorist state of Sudan

Well, what bothers you about selling a civilian plane to the state of SUDAN? just to throw raw materials on the fan?

from your own link

... In 2004, the UN adopted a resolution against Sudan, which envisages an arms embargo, a freeze on assets and accounts. ..
... The Antonov State Enterprise says that the contract does not run counter to the embargo. "We take into account the restrictions that exist for this state, and we cooperate with Sudan only in the supply of civil aircraft," said Mr. Kiva ...

And they also transferred the first to Cuba and the DPRK (with which the US is not friends too) and will continue to sell.

... Serial production of aircraft led to a kind of breakthrough. Now the plant has signed agreements for more than 100 aircraft. This year it is planned to release 12 An-148 and An-158 aircraft, and already at the moment, 6 aircraft are at the collection stage ...

Is Ukraine not an ally of the United States, or am I missing something? as far as I know, Ukraine aims to integrate and join NATO.

According to the Constitution, Ukraine has non-aligned status and no one has changed this yet.

[Naval]

Brand, honestly. Novokramatorsky Machine-Building Plant (NKMZ) is stocked with products, they cannot be exported to Russia due to high customs duties. What are the threads if Ukraine refusing to join the Customs Union, itself puts barriers to its own exports.

[lecturer]

Well, really, really make it ... Or rather, can you really be happy for our fraternal Ukraine. Otherwise, everything began to look like Asian Kyrgyzstan (!)

[seller trucks]

Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government Yuriy Boyko.

oh, these statements of Ukrainian politicians are blurt out, then they start to think,

[Ivan Tarasov]

The plane is very necessary.
It remains to bring to mind the An-70 and put into production.

[itkul]

Quote: Ivan Tarasov

The plane is very necessary.
It remains to bring to mind the An-70 and put into production.

Well, Europe will bring to mind, and put into production, that they are stuck to us

[Ivan Tarasov]

that they stuck to us

This is about whom?

[itkul]

Quote: Ivan Tarasov

that they stuck to us

This is about whom?

Well, if you think logically, I have the Russian flag on my avatar, then we are Russia, and they, that is, they are sticking, Ukraine. By the way, why is your flag not visible?

[Ivan Tarasov]

Stuck?
And who, western or eastern?

[gladysheff2010]

The fraternal Ukrainian government is striving to get into the pocket of Russia, while constantly ignoring the calls of the Russian side to turn to face its own problems. In Ukraine, now there is a harsh ideological indoctrination of the population, dictating clichés such as: "... Russian invaders" who comes to us to work, this is especially typical for young people. So, people are told that we are invaders, and at the government level, they swear and give out generous promises, hypocrites! Let them launch their planes into the sky, we'll survive!

[Corneli]

Quote: gladysheff2010

In Ukraine, now there is a tough ideological treatment of the population, dictating clichés such as: "... Russian occupants", I heard from those who come to us to work, this is especially typical for young people.

And those young people, by chance did not say where they came from more specifically? Well, are there Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk regions? If from there (which is very likely, because 90% of the migrant workers are Westerners), then there is no need to be surprised. I will say more, you can hear anything from them and the government has nothing to do with it. Example: when Yanukovych won the election, my sister's husband (fortunately the former) is a Westerner, in panic he called his homeland and urged everyone to run almost to the caches ... When I asked him "why?" answered: "Yanukovych will unite with Russia and we will all be put in a gulag!" And this is not a joke, an adult guy lived and worked in Kiev for 2 years !!! And in all seriousness he broadcast this (I will just keep silent about what his relatives said)

[Hyppopotut]

An 124 is produced in Russia, engines in Ukraine. What is the point of creating a joint venture?
An 70 was lost, like many good joint projects. This was especially noticeable during the rule of the "thieves-nationalist duet Yushchenko - Tymoshenko." Many enterprises that worked in the military-industrial complex in Ukraine in Soviet times and produced high-tech products have been completely destroyed (ZZPP). Miraculously survived the aviation industry of Ukraine (although it survived due to orders from Russia, it still eats out a miserable existence). Although the situation changed somewhat for the better after the change of power, it is still very far from normal partnership relations. Unfortunately, the political elite in Ukraine is on "raskoryachki" - with one foot trying to enter the European Union, the other into the customs union. Moreover, they are forced to look back at the nationalist-minded "Westerners" (who in the post-Soviet period were massively pushed into all power structures, and have not yet been expelled from there ...)
So, from applications to implementation, there’s a huge chasm ...

[reserve]

We have such an enemy Party of Regions in Ukraine. So even its members from the upper, so to speak, echelon authoritatively assert that all joint activities with Russia in the field of aviation do not work due to the fault of Russia. A certain Inna Bogoslovskaya, a deputy from the PR in the Supreme Soviet, recently said that we gave Russia Sevastopol, concluded several agreements on aviation - and none of them works due to the fault of the "younger sister." The newspapers wrote that Prime Minister Azarov gave instructions to build the AN-70 without Russia. So it is likely that Madame Bogoslovskaya is not lying as usual.

[stranik72]

You know, there are facts, for example, on engine building, where the Russian government is certainly not right. So that the truth, as usual in the middle.

[lesnik.]

what we gave to Sevastopol to Russia

And was he once yours?

[Corneli]

Quote: lesnik.

And was he once yours?

I will open your eyes, he is OUR now!

[Wlad59]

No need to flog nonsense .... otherwise someone else will foolishly believe!

[Yozhas]

You can work with instead if production is in Russia. For example, at the Ulyanovsk or Samara Aviation Plant, one horseradish is not even half loaded. And right now, if you give the project, it will unfold and send you to hell when he orders for Okian's friendship.

[tegezen]

Boyko - "The Ukrainian side can bring a technological base and an innovative component to such a joint venture, and the Russian side can bring a financial component and a market for sales.", In other words, "we are awesome, and you have a lot of money because you are sitting on oil." The usual sharovar ambition, they have been sitting on their bare ass for 20 years, but they have not learned to speak normally. Therefore, there will be no joint project. We need other options, develop our own, look for other partners. It looks like you can't cook porridge with today's Ukraine.

[sashka]

Why joint and why? We seem to be able to do ourselves, without help. Well, if only out of a sense of sadomasochism. There are no more reasons.

[O_RUS]

Quote: Sasha

Why joint and why?

maybe for this - transfer x $ 000 000 to / to Ukraine

[Ragnarek]

Quote: Hedgehog

You can work with instead if production is in Russia. For example, at the Ulyanovsk or Samara Aviation Plant, one horseradish is not even half loaded. And right now, if you give the project, it will unfold and send you to hell when he orders for Okian's friendship.

why did you decide that our aviastar is not loaded? to the eye

[Baboon]

Is it loaded? I once lived in the New City, due to the fact that there was no work at Aviastar and I had to leave, I remember there were several planes in the shop and they could not sell them to anyone, 2 "Ruslans" were definitely standing.

[evil hamster]

Well, judging by the Soviet times, then he is probably underestimated now, but if you look at things soberly, they would have mastered the contract for 39 IL76MD-90A on time, in addition, they still have the current A124 modernization from the Air Force, and there will still be refuellers based on 76th

[sashka]

Quote: evil hamster

Well, judging by the Soviet era, then he is probably underestimated now,

In Tashkent, only wings were made in the 24th workshop, and then only two cars a year or so. So did the whole country. Oh, and this is not an easy process, to bring the details of this monster there.
Now everyone and everything is gathered in one place. Again problems. What else is missing? No one to do? So invite specialists with Tapo and Ch. Provide Russian migrant workers with housing, Citizenship, etc. And the "projects" will begin to be completed and Respect can be earned. But no, everything is pulling somewhere to the left. What the [htym?

[Suhov]

Quote: evil hamster

but if you look at things soberly

What prevents to increase plant capacity?

[evil hamster]

There are no problems with capacities, but it’s impossible to immediately increase production. We need qualified personnel and it needs a lot, we need to attract and retain young specialists. labor productivity doesn’t increase right away, people learn how to work, but this is not a quick process, moreover, it is necessary to defeat the turnover so that a person who has worked for several years and is qualified does not leave the enterprise. It’s easy to break up production, but setting up again is far from simple and fast.

[Wlad59]

I agree .... therefore the question is whether the young specialist (graduate of the institute) agrees to work at the aircraft factory in Moscow, St. Petersburg or Kiev, and receive a salary of $ 500 - 700. Something tells me that it’s unlikely ... and this is also a very painful issue (for organizing production)

[O_RUS]

Quote: wlad59

receive a salary of 500 - 700 $.

good salary What is wrong again?

[Wlad59]

What planet are you from here ??? I meant that an ordinary seller in a mobile phone salon (in Moscow) receives 50000 rubles. ($ 1600-1700) ... fuck this aircraft factory! And the fitter of the collector needs to be trained at least 2-3 years in vocational schools ...

[O_RUS]

Quote: wlad59

(in Moscow) receives 50000 rubles. ($ 1600-1700) ...

all this nonsense.

But for a graduate of the institute this is a decent salary ... It will take a year and a half or two before the graduate can work independently, but for now, there are only schools of it.
About 8-10 students study, and the rest buy control ones, etc. .............

In order to have my own salary, I had to master the entire "cycle" perfectly, and besides that, in order to keep abreast of all the innovations, I regularly travel to Russia to improve my qualifications.
Thank you Russians for your hospitality! Visited the Tula region of the Murmansk Leningrad Pskov regions

[Ragnarek]

when did you leave? I just live in Ulyanovsk

[pahom54]

National security consists of several components, including economic and industrial security. What is its essence - yes, that this state is not dependent on others, that is, products. their own, and their own technique. Now we have both aviation and rocket science very tied to Ukrainian enterprises. Why the hell should I get the money in there when it’s easier to build an enterprise at home, and what about the technical documentation? Does the horseradish do foreign intelligence? And as for the specialists - there, how many sensible specialists escaped to the States and Singapore, and at least lured the remaining ones to Russia. And do not hell to look back and listen to the cries of the angry - over there, China already doesn’t rivet from not its own, but already supposedly its equipment !!!

[evil hamster]

These are all the dreams of the Ukrainian government. However, as usual, they are very "fast" guys. They gave birth to a project when it became clear that An124 would not be put into production for the next five years. In general, in light of the economic situation, the possible rise in the cost of contracts for the Fleet and the Ministry of Finance's whining that it is impossible to reduce it, all sorts of tight and difficult-to-implement joint projects like An70 and An124 are the first candidates for a shift to the right, or even generally not drank from the GPV.

[Fofan]

Yeah, you invest money in a plant in Ukraine, and then they will declare another occupation of the Russians and will begin to deal with the consequences of destroying and destroying what was created. already passed.

[cherkas.oe]

Nafig, nafig - "died so died" it is better to invest money in organizing your own production of "Ruslan", and not maintaining the aviation industry of Ukraine, the sooner they will bend it, the better for Russia.

[sashka]

Quote: cherkas.oe

the faster it bends with them, the better for Russia.

Here you are, my friend, got excited. Russia will not get worse, but better too. One problem creates another. Now, if you solve them together, in an intelligible language and without frills. Then there will be a result. Shuffling back and forth does not make sense. Maybe just wait until they are "sated" with freedom and begin to figure out what they actually want ..

[cherkas.oe]

Quote: Sasha

and they’ll begin to think what exactly they want.

That's until they begin to think, the Ukrainian aviation industry by that time will be bent.

[seller trucks]

let the earth be to him ...

[Avenger711]

Does Russia need it? Want to produce weapons together, no EU. However, they can be allowed into the EU, they will run away in 10 years, and Moscow will no longer complain about it.

[APASUS]

AN-70 and AN-124 Two machines that our countries need and the foreign market can be supplied!
What is shared there is incomprehensible, but this news is already tired !!
They will release, then no ............ under the carpet players were able to two countries to us .. fuck!

[sashka]

Quote: APASUS

AN-70 and AN-124 Two machines that our countries need and the foreign market can be supplied!

What does it mean to supply? Let them buy and not in debt but for money. That's just no money. 800000 hryvnias left in the treasury. It's time to start to beg and start nurses. Well, don't get used to it ..

[APASUS]

Quote: Sasha

What does it mean to supply? Let them buy and not in debt but for money. That's just no money. 800000 hryvnias left in the treasury.

If I’m not mistaken, then Ukraine initially ordered for its needs only two AN-124 and no more than a dozen AN-70.
The money for the country is certainly enormous, but this project was developed more for Russian needs and exports. Ukraine planned to make money on this project rather than modernize its air force.

[Ivanovich47]

Moneyless Ukraine, is trying to create joint ventures at the expense of Russian denyuzhek. Well done! Why do they think they are smarter than everyone ?. If you create a joint venture then with equal capital. Until Ukraine decides on the European Union, the issue of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution.

[Krilion]

Quote: Ragnarek

joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything

Ukrainian joint venture:

1. Russia pays for jobs and aircraft production in Ukraine.
2. "Provides the market", i.e. after that he pays the loot for the planes.
3. Ultimately, Ukraine has the support of the aviation industry, jobs, taxes to the budget and market, and what does Russia have? Has the ability to buy airplanes. If they will.

[Yozhas]

These are all echoes of the Soviet system. Then they did it specifically, they did one detail in Kazakhstan, the other in Belarus, the third in Ukraine, and they were assembled in some other republic. The point is - in cases where their parts were separated for hell, no one needed them. What happened in 1991 For example, a plant for the assembly of silt in Tashkent.

[I think so]

These are not "echoes of the Soviet system", but echoes of the INSANITY of the thieves who divided the ONE country and the most powerful and efficient production system!

[Ivanovich47]

So this moron is understandable. What to talk about it. Sir, say a word, do not speak simple things ...

[1c-inform-city]

Japan m-t. An124 was developed and built in the USSR. Russia is legally the legal successor of the USSR. What is such intellectual property of Ukraine. On what basis. If you need to build, then asking about An 124 from Ukraine does not make sense.

[Wlad59]

So why isn’t Russia building ??? Maybe it can not ... without Ukraine?

[papamahno]

Quote: wlad59

So why isn’t Russia building ??? Maybe it can not ... without Ukraine?

- Generally it can’t. Like other planes, helicopters, rockets, etc.

[Yozhas]

Quote: 1c-inform-city

Japan m-t. An124 was developed and built in the USSR ......

I agree. Do not hell with them kindly. We take and build ourselves. And then, during the collapse, they gave Ruslan to them and now they think that since their Volga-Dnieper is the main carrier of heavy cargo in the world, now they also have ownership planes for their development.

[Conepatus]

1- Volga-Dnepr is rather a Russian company, Ukraine's share there is small.
2-Do you want to cooperate in aviation? Well, now let's imagine that Antonov began to cooperate with China to the maximum (narrow-eyed only for).
Well, you immediately raise the howl.

[Jurkovs]

The copyright holder is Ukraine, since the design bureau was located in the Ukrainian SSR, and the main documentation and description of technological processes were in the RSfSR and now belongs to Russia. What was in Tashkent already belongs to Russia, and what was done in Ukraine, the equipment was dismantled. So Ukraine can’t sell anything to China, because it simply won’t buy a pig in a poke. One way to restore joint production. But Ukraine does not need this plane, it just wants to maintain high technology and copyright. And whether Russia needs him, apparently, we have not decided.

[Gagarin]

Quote: Ivanovich47

Until Ukraine decides on the European Union, the question of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution, the question of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution.

I agree! You don’t even have to stutter about it!

[waisson]

nepoyma one hundred no other yes you are a cow for mu ....... you pull. STRENGTH BROTHER UKRAINIAN IN ASSOCIATION OF ONE INTERESTS AND IDEAS WELL WE ARE UNDERSTANDING ANOTHER

[sashka]

Quote: waisson

.SILA BROTHER UKRAINIAN IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ONE INTERESTS AND IDEAS WELL WE ARE UNDERSTANDING ANOTHER

Is not a fact. Systematically and purposefully, this line is erased .. You can say YET. God knows where Yanukovych will take you next. You also vote within 146%.

[Ivanovich47]

nepoymy one hundred is no other yes you that the cow for mu ....... you pull.
I copied the speech of my brother, Ukrainian ... That's how everyone in Ukraine understands each other ... And we are going to build airplanes with them. Oh, and they fly with us ... I think that Russian aircraft builders in Ukraine have nothing to do ...

[Prapor Afonya]

In principle, we can organize the production of Ruslans ourselves, but there is also a political side of the issue, the more joint projects we have, the more influence we will have on Ukraine and finally we can squeeze the Americans out of there and finally join the Slavs to the Slavs!

[Ivanovich47]

Ukraine "fell in love" with the European Union. Let him go there. They are waiting for her there! And we somehow manage without it

[papamahno]

Quote: Ivanovich47

Ukraine "fell in love" with the European Union. Let him go there. They are waiting for her there! And we somehow manage without it

Thank! We will do An-124 with the EU then in Germany!

An-124 - the next series in the Russian soap opera
http://www.aex.ru/docs/2/2013/2/6/1727/

[Jurkovs]

We must not shout at the public to Ukrainian officials, but write a detailed business plan. Then it will become clear that the existing capabilities of the Volgo-Dnepr transport company cover all the world's needs for the delivery of super-heavy cargo, and the aircraft in the Russian Air Force are idle. Ukraine is the copyright holder of this car and is trying to derive at least some benefit from it. God help you.

[nnz226]

If there is technical documentation for the production of an aircraft in Russia, why "cooperation" with the Square ?! There will be another "Maidan" with idiots hitting barrels, and production will crumble due to disruptions in the supply of components that are linked by Kiev to the price of gas, for example ...

[Jurkovs]

There is technical documentation, there are opportunities, there is money, and Ukraine is the copyright holder. Hence the whole fuss, we still share the heritage of the Union.

[vBR]

Quote: Interface

It turns out that we will give them money, and they will repair the plant at home? Well, noooo, they’ll manage, we’ll better organize production at our place, it’s cheaper and more reliable. And what kind of aircraft quality will also be unknown, wagons go off the rails in the Urals due to defective Ukrainian-made platforms, and what will happen to the plane ....

You and all kinds of sashki, even imagine what the plane consists of? You will not give any money, do not worry, but you will continue to sit and scribble on the Internet after school, imagining that Ukraine is populated mainly by Bandera people mixed with fat lovers. Money is needed to start production, and Ukraine does not have such funds for obvious reasons, and even if it needs these planes, it’s a couple of pieces. They made the An-124 in the USSR in Ulyanovsk, and probably will continue there. The release of the aircraft is designed primarily to cover the need for the Russian army and is beneficial to all enterprises involved in production. In addition to the D-18T engines, all of them are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, and above all, enterprises for the development and production of flight and navigation equipment. Such things should be welcomed without reservation. Among other things, this is the restoration of the cohesion of pieces of the country

[Conepatus]

In Kiev, they also did it, but in the 90s, they dismantled the technological equipment.
So, except in Ulyanovsk, there is nowhere else to produce Ruslan.

[Wlad59]

A small clarification: the wing was made in Tashkent .... to transfer pr-in to Ulyanovsk you need at least $ 1 billion - where is the money Zin? (it's only on the wing ....

[Conepatus]

I meant the final assembly.

[Vtel]

I listened, listened and thought, and why Bendera don't like us so much. Russia + Bellorus + Ukraine- "Fifth Columns" = one people - Holy Russia! Let's be softer to each other, money is already flowing from us and everything is not there, Chubais take it. And you can't buy friendship for money!

[Conepatus]

You got with your Banderaites. There are fewer of them in Ukraine than you Chechens.

[Jurkovs]

Russia is not interested in the joint production of the AN-124 due to the uncertainty of the sales market. Available aircraft in the Russian Air Force are idle. But Russia is interested in becoming the copyright holder of this machine, since it is easiest to make an Air Start on its basis, and in this matter there can be no talk of joint technologies.

[Conepatus]

Air Start is not Ruslan, but Mriya