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Ukraine is interested in joint production of An-124 aircraft with the Russian Federation - Deputy Prime Minister

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Ukraine and Russia are preparing to implement a pilot project for the joint production of An-124 military transport aircraft. This was announced by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government, Yuriy Boyko.


According to him, the parties also plan to expand cooperation in the implementation of projects for the production of a number of other aircraft models. "Our proposal, supported by Russian colleagues, is to make a pilot project for the production of An-124, show how it works, and then go on to deeper integration with respect to other aircraft, both passenger and specialized," said Boyko.

The An-124 aircraft is attractive to Ukraine’s partners in the Russian Federation, the Deputy Prime Minister noted. "This is a very large aircraft, which can lift about 100 tons of cargo, take off from short lanes," - he stressed.

The Deputy Prime Minister noted that a joint venture (JV) could be created for the implementation of the An-124 construction project. “The most realistic project is the construction of an AN-124 aircraft by a joint venture, taking into account the contribution of each party,” he said. The Ukrainian side can bring a technological base and an innovative component to such a joint venture, while the Russian side can introduce a financial component and a market for sales. "In this case, the intellectual property of the joint venture should be protected by appropriate documents from the transfer to a third party," the deputy prime minister added.

According to Boyko, the creation of a joint venture by Ukrainian and Russian manufacturers aviation technology will allow them to avoid competition among themselves and to promote the promotion of joint venture products in the markets of third countries. “We are interested in the joint venture starting work as soon as possible. Russia has its own achievements, we are our own. If there is a corresponding pool of efforts, this, of course, will have a positive effect,” he said.

The Vice Prime Minister also expressed confidence in the successful implementation of projects for the construction of aircraft developed by the Ukrainian state enterprise Antonov. “All Antonov airplanes, and now more than 5000 flies them in the world, are very reliable machines. And the projects for their release will only be developed,” added Boyko.
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  1. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 25 May 2013 09: 59 New
    36
    joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything
    1. Nicholas C.
      Nicholas C. 25 May 2013 10: 21 New
      10
      So it says: "The Ukrainian side can bring a technological base and an innovative component to such a joint venture, and the Russian side can bring a financial component and a market for sales."
      1. Phantom Revolution
        Phantom Revolution 25 May 2013 10: 31 New
        15
        Quote: Nikolay S.
        financial component and market for sales. "

        Those. only Russia will pay, but the completed plane Ukraine can if not enough for the Chinese if you sell Che?
        1. orff
          orff 25 May 2013 11: 04 New
          16
          The situation is poor: In aircraft manufacturing, Ukraine asks for a financial partnership from Russia, although in anticipation of an incident with the EU, they could ask Europeans for money. Here are just a vector of activity of the vast majority of Ukrainian enterprises aimed at Russia. I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction. This year should be cleared up.
          1. AK-74-1
            AK-74-1 25 May 2013 12: 21 New
            +2
            Not a crazy situation. The situation indicates that part of the original Russian territory separately exists only with real sponsorship. And the main sponsor - America has no opportunity to provide the An-124 production with the proper resources, they themselves do not have enough of these resources.
          2. elmir15
            elmir15 25 May 2013 13: 32 New
            +6
            Quote: orff
            The situation is poor: In aircraft manufacturing, Ukraine asks for a financial partnership from Russia, although in anticipation of an incident with the EU, they could ask Europeans for money. Here are just a vector of activity of the vast majority of Ukrainian enterprises aimed at Russia. I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction. This year should be cleared up.

            Everything is known in comparison - now Ukraine has chosen the EU, accordingly Russia is curtailing many projects, introducing visas, and after some time even about European-minded Ukrainians, they will understand that they have chosen the wrong friend and will force the authorities to turn to Russia, but the EU backwards))) and enter in the TS, as a result of which mutually beneficial cooperation will come about, the abolition of visas, prosperity and other benefits.
            1. Russophile
              Russophile 25 May 2013 14: 12 New
              +3
              Only questions arise: in what form will Ukraine be asked in the TS and who will correct and correct everything there and with whose money?
          3. Suhov
            Suhov 25 May 2013 13: 57 New
            +5
            Quote: orff
            I am sure that this issue will be resolved only when Ukraine is determined in its political direction.

            Long search by the leadership of Ukraine for orientation:
            West or East
            indicate that:
            The management - homosexual.
            wassat
            There is something to do with this ...
            what
            1. bremest
              bremest 25 May 2013 14: 07 New
              +1
              Re-defeat the Swedes .....
          4. Gecko
            Gecko 25 May 2013 20: 59 New
            +2
            This is from the same opera as with Georgia with their water, wine, fruits. They are breaking into the EU under the motto Russia-the enemy, but for some reason they want to sell their products to their enemy, because in the EU their fucking chacha is not needed, and the Georgians somehow need to earn money.
      2. Interface
        Interface 25 May 2013 10: 59 New
        10
        It turns out that we will give them money, and they will repair the plant at home? Well, noooo, they’ll manage, we’ll better organize production at our place, it’s cheaper and more reliable. And what kind of aircraft quality will also be unknown, wagons go off the rails in the Urals due to defective Ukrainian-made platforms, and what will happen to the plane ....
      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 25 May 2013 18: 07 New
        +3
        The babble of the minister.
        The technological base remaining in Ukraine from Soviet times over 20 years has been largely lost. Nobody invested anything. Kharkov plant under the USSR produced more than a hundred Tu-134 per year, and now units with a creak "give birth"
        That's why they launched the production of An-148 at VASO. If such an enterprise were preserved in Ukraine, they would do it locally.
        And Ruslan will be made in Russia if there is a need and a political decision.
        Most likely, Ukrainian factories will participate in this, on pragmatic terms. In the framework of business cooperation with the KLA. And no joint venture will be required, because this is an extra link that Boyko, Broneboyko and others like to cut and kickbacks can easily stick to.
      4. vladimirZ
        vladimirZ 26 May 2013 11: 59 New
        +2
        Enough for politicians in Russia and Ukraine to vomit. The matter must be done in the interests of aviation in Russia and Ukraine. There is nothing to fly in the regions.
    2. Frogfoot 255
      Frogfoot 255 25 May 2013 12: 07 New
      +1
      C'mon, we have pennies too smile
      1. AK-74-1
        AK-74-1 25 May 2013 13: 10 New
        +6
        No one argues that you have a penny. Although there is another opinion http://hvylya.org/news/exclusive/pravitelstvo-v-panike-v-kazne-ostalos-800-tyisy

        ach-griven-deputat.html

        It's not about pennies, but in resources. For the production of An-124, titanium, magnesium, aluminum alloys, and gold are needed. And all this is needed on an industrial scale. Ameristan can only help with contracts for futures for resources, but not physical volumes. For production, futures and American candy wrappers are not needed. We need real physical volumes and constant timely deliveries.

        And the last thing you can talk about with the authorities of Ukraine after that http://rus.ruvr.ru/2013_05_25/Akcija-seks-menshinstv-prohodit-v-Kieve-nesmotrja-
        na-zapret-suda /

        As far as the execution of the court decision is known, this is the direct and immediate duty of officials of any authority
        1. chertjaga
          chertjaga 25 May 2013 13: 35 New
          -1
          An-124 production requires titanium, magnesium, aluminum alloys, and gold. And all this is needed on an industrial scale.

          Ukraine has NO problems with titanium and magnesium (Zaporizhzhya Titanium-Magnesium Plant, Magnesium CJSC), gold can be bought anywhere (the question is only in price), but there is no aluminum (in fact, there is no aluminum in Russia either)
          1. HAIFISCH
            HAIFISCH 25 May 2013 13: 44 New
            +6
            And RusAL ?, not Russian aluminum?
            1. chertjaga
              chertjaga 25 May 2013 14: 05 New
              +2
              I don’t argue with the fact that there is aluminum production in Russia, but whose producers do these raw materials use (more precisely, what is the ratio of Russian raw materials to imported raw materials?)?
              And Ukraine can also melt rough aluminum in Ukraine.
              1. sergey958ss
                sergey958ss 25 May 2013 18: 36 New
                +1
                aluminum can be remelted, but stamping on power elements where to get?
          2. bereg
            bereg 25 May 2013 13: 44 New
            +4
            made a laugh from the heart, in Russia they don’t even know what is and the brothers tell us that we don’t have aluminum
          3. bremest
            bremest 25 May 2013 14: 09 New
            +3
            Of course you can buy gold, but where can I get a penny on this?))))) laughing
          4. sashka
            sashka 25 May 2013 14: 55 New
            +4
            The issue is not the price but the availability of money. That’s why Russia didn’t think so much about Tochikiston. ? There are bauxites (aluminum). We can afford to find and do what we want and when we want. For a fee, of course .. What can Ukraine offer? Besides scandals and brainwashing?
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          6. lesnik.
            lesnik. 25 May 2013 17: 46 New
            +3
            Ukraine has NO problems with titanium and magnesium

            Russia, too.
            VSMPO-AVISMA Corporation OJSC is a Russian metallurgical company, the world's largest producer of titanium - ingots and all types of semi-finished products from titanium alloys. The corporation occupies more than 30% of the global titanium market.

            The Solikamsk Magnesium Plant (OJSC “SMZ”) is one of the oldest and largest operating magnesium plants in the world; it produces not only metallic magnesium and its alloys, but also compounds of niobium, tantalum, titanium and rare earth elements, a wide range of chemical products.
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      2. demeen1
        demeen1 25 May 2013 21: 41 New
        +2
        and, if you have pennies, then ask Russia, or you have your own, and Russia has money to raise your enterprises and your well-being
    3. bereg
      bereg 25 May 2013 13: 32 New
      +3
      And we don’t want, as long as there are Azarov and Ich !!!
    4. Siberian German
      Siberian German 25 May 2013 18: 45 New
      0
      why not pay bucks inflated for technology, the Chinese pay and do not complain
    5. valokordin
      valokordin 27 May 2013 09: 19 New
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything

      Do not exaggerate, everyone pays for himself. It's time to do something together. The plane is painfully good.
  2. svp67
    svp67 25 May 2013 10: 01 New
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    Ukraine and Russia are preparing to implement a pilot project for the joint production of An-124 military transport aircraft. This was announced by the Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government, Yuriy Boyko.

    I'm afraid that the next "fairy tale about a white bull ..."
    Again, Ukraine is showing a "strong" interest, most likely they will even conclude preliminary agreements, because Russia also needs such machines, but what will happen next? So far, in other projects, it’s “further” sad that Russia, having fulfilled its financial obligations, cannot wait for this from Ukraine and, for example, An70 will remain so, at best in prototypes, at worst it will begin to be mass-produced in China ...
    So from such proposals simply blows "a divorce ..."
  3. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 25 May 2013 10: 02 New
    +1
    The good news is it’s high time to restore the destroyed ties for the creation of aircraft, missiles. And through the economy to a rapprochement in the political sphere.
    1. domovoi
      domovoi 25 May 2013 10: 09 New
      13
      it's a money scam. Have you seen how the AN-70 is already entering the armed forces in batches?
      1. Suhov
        Suhov 25 May 2013 14: 16 New
        +3
        Quote: domovoi
        it's a money scam. Have you seen how the AN-70 is already entering the armed forces in batches?

        Most reliable - do not rely on anyone!
      2. LINX
        LINX 25 May 2013 14: 48 New
        +3
        According to AN-70 news dated 24.05.13

        The Ukrainian and Russian sides are constructively cooperating in the implementation of the project for the production of An-70 aircraft for the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation. This was stated in an interview to Channel 5 by the Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko, the words of which are conveyed by his press service.

        "Now we are in a constructive spirit and are working together to accelerate the implementation of the An-70, which should be released for the Russian Ministry of Defense," said the Deputy Prime Minister, commenting on the meeting of the Ukrainian and Russian delegations chaired by Vice Prime Minister of Ukraine Yuriy Boyko and Deputy Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation Dmitry Rogozin, which was held last week in Moscow.

        Speaking about the orders of 60 An-70 aircraft for the Russian Ministry of Defense, Boyko noted that the size of the order could significantly exceed the indicated figure.

        "There were negotiations on a line of aircraft, there were An-70s. If we move to closer cooperation, the number of aircraft involved will be much more than 60," said the Deputy Prime Minister.
    2. fokino1980
      fokino1980 25 May 2013 10: 31 New
      +7
      The news is good, but this is just another statement from the Ukrainian government. There is not a single signed document, and most likely will not !!! These are their games, unfortunately !!!
    3. sashka
      sashka 25 May 2013 18: 47 New
      +2
      Quote: Smac111
      And through the economy to a rapprochement in the political sphere.

      Not a Fact .. New pretexts and excuses will be devised to not fulfill the obligations undertaken. And at the same time continue to complain, cry and beg for money ..
  4. domovoi
    domovoi 25 May 2013 10: 03 New
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    I hope Russia will not again step on the Ukrainian rake. they want to integrate at the expense of Russia, they are looking for a sponsor.
    1. sir.jonn
      sir.jonn 25 May 2013 12: 33 New
      +2
      Quote: domovoi
      I hope Russia will not again step on the Ukrainian rake. they want to integrate at the expense of Russia, they are looking for a sponsor.


      One hundred pounds again rake, at least with the wording given in the article.

      Quote: domovoi
      and the Russian one - the financial component and the market for sales


      After all the stages of launching the airliner in a series in Russia have been completed, there will simply be no need (thanks for the grandmothers guys, and then we are the owners here alone). In addition to conflicts, such cooperation will not bring anything good, and the financial component will be sooooo no small. Obviously in such projects it is necessary to lay a component of the inseparability and equality of the parties; do together and sell together.
  5. gladiatorakz
    gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 10: 10 New
    -6
    Both Ukraine and Russia are interested in this project. Financial profits, industrial development, jobs, science development, etc. More such joint and mutually beneficial projects - more threads connecting our countries.
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 25 May 2013 10: 36 New
      30
      if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus, then it would HAVE ALREADY ALREADY and UNINTERRUPTIBLY been produced jointly by both the AN-70 and AN-124.
      and Yanukovych lacks the political will to send the West in three Russian letters. Lukashenko does this without fear, because he is under the cover of Moscow.

      and Ukraine ...
      1. gladiatorakz
        gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 11: 20 New
        -10
        Quote: djon3volta
        if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus

        If my grandmother had wheels, then it would be a tram.
        Tired of these cries already. Any topic is raised immediately start moaning and resentment. Ukraine is such and such. Constructive - zero only babskiy chatter.
        1. Gagarin
          Gagarin 25 May 2013 11: 41 New
          12
          Well, what if she’s such and such? She’s an extremely unreliable partner and, I hope, ours will be smart enough not to mess with it! First pay for the creation, and then buy with the whole world.
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        3. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 13: 12 New
          +4
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Constructive - zero only babskiy chatter.

          Consult with the gay EU with them, you better get today pedirasts from Europe and America under your protection along the Dovzhenko film studio walked, showing that they already have you.
          1. gladiatorakz
            gladiatorakz 25 May 2013 13: 53 New
            -12
            cherkas.oe Judging by how the homosexual topic bothers you, they have just you. Your orientation is not interesting to anyone; do not stick it out. I am glad another that in Russia there were still real Russians, and not all like the devil.
            1. cherkas.oe
              cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 17: 20 New
              +1
              Quote: gladiatorakz
              Your orientation is not interesting to anyone; do not stick it out.

              You, sir, from under the nails, I wrote about your orientation and you don’t need to move your arrows from a healthy head, today we loaded and drove our p-d-o-r-o-in in Moscow to the car park so that they do not stink, and you protected them with a "golden eagle", so that normal people do not beat the boshk to them.
              1. gladiatorakz
                gladiatorakz 26 May 2013 09: 37 New
                -6
                Quote: cherkas.oe
                Today we loaded our p-and-d-o-r-o-in in Moscow

                So do you write a dog with autosack? Or didn’t everyone load it? And about the fact that you have a healthy head, then it's all nonsense. Zelenki drink a comb, we can and let go. Although it looks like a birth injury.
      2. Frogfoot 255
        Frogfoot 255 25 May 2013 12: 31 New
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        Guys, why don’t you love us so much? We are the same SLAVES as you are. Many “immigrants” from Russia live in Ukraine. We speak another language, skin color is different, blood is of a different color ...? In Russia consider, if you live in Ukraine, it means against Russia. Among other things, when we served, HOMELAND had one. And joint projects, production, only bring us together. And at the expense of money, excuse me, the government does not choose, "IT" comes by itself smile
        1. cherkas.oe
          cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 13: 18 New
          +6
          tongue
          Quote: Frogfoot 255
          Guys, why don’t you love us so much

          Are you probably a stupid little brother? On the contrary, we love you very much, therefore we will now teach in an adult way, because your rulers do not understand hints, well, it will be shitty for a simple people, forgive me generously, then it will make you feel better.
        2. trenitron
          trenitron 25 May 2013 13: 35 New
          +9
          Yeah, for that you adore us. What you sow, you will reap ... maybe you heard such a proverb
        3. O_RUS
          O_RUS 25 May 2013 14: 43 New
          +5
          Quote: Frogfoot 255
          Guys, why don’t you love us so much? We are the same SLAVES as you are.


          You're right ...

          ... but there is such - LLC! Maskaliki came in large numbers (they say that to any Russian)
          ... LTD! - guest workers arrived to shoot down prices

          The separation of Russia and Ukraine sideways cost a simple resident of an independent
          1. sashka
            sashka 25 May 2013 16: 25 New
            10
            Quote: O_RUS
            The separation of Russia and Ukraine sideways cost a simple resident of an independent

            Naturally, Russia is to blame for this .. I did not look after my relatives suffering from autism ..
            1. O_RUS
              O_RUS 26 May 2013 17: 41 New
              -1
              Quote: Sasha
              Naturally, Russia is to blame for this.


              Russia?! In August 91, the Verkhovna Rada declared the republic an independent state. August 24, 91 - this is the USSR.
              The separation of Ukraine is a "conspiracy" watered by the elite of the UR, the desire to remain in power, to direct cash flows to another "channel" ie not in the budget of the USSR but in their own pockets

              Sasha are you an hour not a liberalist?
        4. gigiperfetto
          gigiperfetto 25 May 2013 15: 21 New
          +2
          Like - The king is bad, but we are furry and always have been: during the Chechen campaigns, the war with Georgia. And if I tell you that from afar I already feel, apart from the RUSSIAN SPIRIT, also “Bulgarian” and “Polish” smells (I mean state policy and its approval by the people). I noticed you said “we are Slavs”, but you should have said “we are Russian”. After 10 years, you say "we are little brothers." Feel the trend?
          1. Corneli
            Corneli 27 May 2013 00: 15 New
            -1
            Quote: gigiperfetto
            I noticed you said “we are Slavs”, but you should have said “we are Russian”. After 10 years, you say "we are little brothers." Feel the trend?

            Funny, in the USSR they also said that we brothers Slavs: Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians ... And lately, there has been no more ... Russian current. How do you brainwash !!! I thought at the current we are trying to make Bandera’s “heroes” ... not, “smart people” also live in Russia.
            My version: I think in 10 years on May 9 you will say that ALL Ukraine fought with the Russians (USSR) and generally attacked the first without declaring war ...
        5. Orchestrarant
          Orchestrarant 26 May 2013 09: 42 New
          +1
          They love women, men can only like it! laughing
      3. chertjaga
        chertjaga 25 May 2013 14: 39 New
        +1
        if such a plant were not in Ukraine but in Belarus

        it would be much better if Ukraine were Belarus, then An-s were probably made like Boeings </ sarcasm>

        and Yanukovych lacks political will

        Yanukovych has no political will; Akhmetov and several other businessmen have it

        and Ukraine ...

        and Ukraine manages to levy a customs fee as much as TWO times from the same product and no one likes it. That drag Ukraine into all kinds of TS and the Eurozone
    2. seller trucks
      seller trucks 25 May 2013 10: 56 New
      -6
      And do you know that Ukraine wants to put 148 / 158 in the number of 5 pcs to the terrorist state of Sudan
      http://www.unian.net/news/553960-nevziraya-na-sanktsii-oon-ukraina-mojet-prodat-
      sudanu-neskolko-samoletov.html
      1. stranik72
        stranik72 25 May 2013 11: 02 New
        +7
        For some time now, Sudan has become a terrorist state, and which Sudan terrorized you if you shot down an 8, yes, it’s dangerous there and they pay for it, and it’s the turn of those who want to get there through the UN throughout the former USSR.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 May 2013 11: 25 New
          -2
          International terrorism:

          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%E5%E6%E4%F3%ED%E0%F0%EE%E4%ED%FB%E9_%F2%E5%F0%F
          0% EE% F0% E8% E7% EC
          http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C0%EB%FC-%CA%E0%E8%E4%E0

          learn materiel. I would include Ukraine and Georgia in this list, but for them terrorist No.1 fits
          1. Curculum
            Curculum 25 May 2013 18: 48 New
            +1
            Quote: seller trucks
            learn materiel

            Do you have a “vetch” - a cognitive resource of materiel? Are more legitimately recognized sources too lazy to look for or lack of time?
      2. Lexx
        Lexx 25 May 2013 13: 50 New
        +5
        Sudan is considered a terrorist state only by the United States and its allies. Although they separated the oil-rich South Sudan, you can rule out that they have achieved their goals. And how would it be that the Russian Federation delivered 2000 MiG-12s to Sudan in the mid-29s? Yes, and now there are military supplies.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 May 2013 14: 21 New
          -2
          Quote: Lexx
          Sudan is considered a terrorist state only by the United States and its allies.


          Is Ukraine not an ally of the United States, or am I missing something? as far as I know, Ukraine aims to integrate and join NATO.
          1. wlad59
            wlad59 26 May 2013 19: 39 New
            +1
            As far as I see on TV, GDP hugs with Obama an order of magnitude more often than Yanukovych ... and Ulyanovsk serves as a transshipment base for NATO.
      3. LINX
        LINX 25 May 2013 15: 10 New
        +4
        And do you know that Ukraine wants to put 148 / 158 in the number of 5 pcs to the terrorist state of Sudan

        Well, what bothers you about selling a civilian plane to the state of SUDAN? just to throw raw materials on the fan?

        from your own link

        ... In 2004, the UN adopted a resolution against Sudan, which envisages an arms embargo, a freeze on assets and accounts. ..
        ... In the Antonov state enterprise they say that the contract does not go against the embargo. "We take into account the restrictions that exist for this state, and we cooperate with Sudan only on the supply of civil aircraft," Mr. Kiva said ...

        And they also transferred the first to Cuba and the DPRK (with which the US is not friends too) and will continue to sell.

        ... Serial production of aircraft led to a kind of breakthrough. Now the plant has signed agreements for more than 100 aircraft. This year it is planned to release 12 An-148 and An-158 aircraft, and already at the moment, 6 aircraft are at the collection stage ...

        Is Ukraine not an ally of the United States, or am I missing something? as far as I know, Ukraine aims to integrate and join NATO.

        According to the Constitution, Ukraine has non-aligned status and no one has changed this yet.
    3. Naval
      Naval 25 May 2013 22: 20 New
      +1
      Brand, honestly. Novokramatorsky Machine-Building Plant (NKMZ) is stocked with products, they cannot be exported to Russia due to high customs duties. What are the threads if Ukraine refusing to join the Customs Union, itself puts barriers to its own exports. fool
  6. lecturer
    lecturer 25 May 2013 10: 20 New
    +3
    Well, can it really be fun ... Rather, is it really possible to be glad for our fraternal Ukraine. And then, everything on Asian Kyrgyzstan began to "look like" (!)
  7. seller trucks
    seller trucks 25 May 2013 10: 24 New
    +1
    Deputy Prime Minister of the Ukrainian government Yuriy Boyko.


    oh, these statements of Ukrainian politicians are blurt out, then they start to think,
  8. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 25 May 2013 10: 53 New
    +1
    The plane is very necessary.
    It remains to bring to mind the An-70 and put into production.
    1. itkul
      itkul 25 May 2013 12: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Ivan Tarasov
      The plane is very necessary.
      It remains to bring to mind the An-70 and put into production.


      Well, Europe will bring to mind, and put into production, that they are stuck to us
      1. Ivan Tarasov
        Ivan Tarasov 25 May 2013 14: 53 New
        0
        that they stuck to us

        This is about whom?
        1. itkul
          itkul 25 May 2013 15: 36 New
          -3
          Quote: Ivan Tarasov
          that they stuck to us

          This is about whom?


          Well, if you think logically, I have the Russian flag on my avatar, then we are Russia, and they, that is, they are sticking, Ukraine. By the way, why is your flag not visible?
          1. Ivan Tarasov
            Ivan Tarasov 26 May 2013 17: 37 New
            0
            Stuck?
            And who, western or eastern?
  9. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 25 May 2013 11: 29 New
    +7
    The fraternal Ukrainian government is trying to get into the pocket of Russia, while constantly ignoring the calls of the Russian side to face their own problems. In Ukraine, there is a tough ideological treatment of the population, dictating cliches like: "... Russian occupiers," I heard from those who comes to us to earn money, this is especially true for young people. That's why people say that we are occupiers, and at the government level they flaunt and give generous promises, hypocrites! Let them fly their own planes into the sky, survive! stop
    1. Corneli
      Corneli 27 May 2013 00: 53 New
      -2
      Quote: gladysheff2010
      In Ukraine, a harsh ideological treatment of the population is underway, dictating cliches like: "... Russian occupiers," I heard from those who come to us to work, this is especially true for young people.

      And those young people, by any chance did not say where they came from? Well there Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk region.? If from there (which is very likely, because 90% of the zarobitans are zapadents), then one should not be surprised. I will say more, you can hear anything from them and the government has nothing to do with it. Example: when Yanukovych won the election, my sister’s husband (fortunately former) was a Westerner, in a panic, called to his homeland and urged everyone to almost run away to the caches ... When I asked him “why?” In awesome, he answered: "Yanukovych will unite with Russia and we will all be put in the gulag!" And this is not a joke, an adult guy lived and worked for 2 years in Kiev !!! And in all seriousness, he was broadcasting this (about what his relatives said, I just keep silent)
  10. Hyppopotut
    Hyppopotut 25 May 2013 11: 30 New
    10
    An 124 is produced in Russia, engines in Ukraine. What is the point of creating a joint venture?
    An 70 was cheated, like many good collaborations. This was especially noticeable during the reign of the "thieves-nationalist duo Yushchenko - Tymoshenko." Many enterprises operating in Ukraine in the military-industrial complex in Soviet times, and producing high-tech products, were generally destroyed (ZZPP). Miraculously, the surviving aircraft industry of Ukraine (although surviving due to orders from Russia, still eke out a miserable existence). Although the situation has changed for the better after the change of power, normal partnerships are still very far away. Unfortunately, the political elite in Ukraine stands on "little fuss" - with one foot trying to enter the European Union, the other in the customs union. Yes, and forced to look back at the nationalist-minded "zapadentsev" (which in the post-Soviet period massively pushed into all the power structures, and still have not been expelled from there ...)
    So, from applications to implementation, there’s a huge chasm ...
  11. reserve
    reserve 25 May 2013 11: 36 New
    -11
    We in Ukraine have such an enemy Party of Regions. So even its members from the upper echelon, so to speak, authoritatively claim that all joint activities with Russia in the field of aviation do not work due to Russia's fault. A certain Inna Bogoslovskaya, a deputy from the PR in the Supreme Council, recently said that we gave Sevastopol to Russia, concluded several aviation contracts, and not one of them works because of the “younger sister”. The newspapers wrote that Prime Minister Azarov ordered the construction of the AN-70 without Russia. So, it is likely that Madame the Theological does not lie as usual.
    1. stranik72
      stranik72 25 May 2013 12: 35 New
      +3
      You know, there are facts, for example, on engine building, where the Russian government is certainly not right. So that the truth, as usual in the middle.
      1. lesnik.
        lesnik. 25 May 2013 18: 05 New
        +3
        what we gave to Sevastopol to Russia

        And was he once yours?
        1. Corneli
          Corneli 27 May 2013 00: 45 New
          0
          Quote: lesnik.
          And was he once yours?

          I will open your eyes, he is OUR now!
    2. wlad59
      wlad59 26 May 2013 19: 44 New
      -2
      No need to flog nonsense .... otherwise someone else will foolishly believe!
  12. Yozhas
    Yozhas 25 May 2013 11: 47 New
    +1
    You can work with instead if production is in Russia. For example, at the Ulyanovsk or Samara Aviation Plant, one horseradish is not even half loaded. And right now, if you give the project, it will unfold and send you to hell when he orders for Okian's friendship.
  13. tegezen
    tegezen 25 May 2013 11: 47 New
    14
    Smartly - "The Ukrainian side can bring the technological base and the innovative component to such a joint venture, and the Russian side - the financial component and the market for sales." In other words, "we are very crazy, and you have enough money because you are sitting on oil." An ordinary shareholder ambition, they’ve been sitting on their bare ass for 20 years, but they haven’t learned to talk normally. Therefore, there will be no joint project. We need other options, develop our own, look for other partners. With present-day Ukraine, you don’t seem to cook porridge.
  14. sashka
    sashka 25 May 2013 11: 48 New
    +9
    Why joint and why? We seem to be able to do ourselves, without help. Well, if only out of a sense of sadomasochism. There are no more reasons.
    1. O_RUS
      O_RUS 25 May 2013 14: 46 New
      0
      Quote: Sasha
      Why joint and why?


      maybe for this - transfer x $ 000 000 to / to Ukraine
  15. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 25 May 2013 12: 06 New
    0
    Quote: Hedgehog
    You can work with instead if production is in Russia. For example, at the Ulyanovsk or Samara Aviation Plant, one horseradish is not even half loaded. And right now, if you give the project, it will unfold and send you to hell when he orders for Okian's friendship.

    why did you decide that our aviastar is not loaded? to the eye
    1. Babon
      Babon 25 May 2013 12: 21 New
      +2
      Is it loaded? I once lived in the New City, due to the fact that there was no work on Aviastar and I had to leave, I remember there were several planes in the workshop and they could not be sold to anyone, 2 "Ruslan" just stood there.
      1. evil hamster
        evil hamster 25 May 2013 12: 30 New
        +1
        Well, judging by the Soviet times, then he is probably underestimated now, but if you look at things soberly, they would have mastered the contract for 39 IL76MD-90A on time, in addition, they still have the current A124 modernization from the Air Force, and there will still be refuellers based on 76th
        1. sashka
          sashka 25 May 2013 12: 49 New
          +2
          Quote: evil hamster
          Well, judging by the Soviet era, then he is probably underestimated now,

          In Tashkent, only wings were made in the 24th workshop, and then only two cars a year or so. So did the whole country. Oh, and this is not an easy process, to bring the details of this monster there.
          Now everyone and everything has been gathered in one place. Again, problems. What else is missing? No one to do? So invite specialists from Tapo and Ch. Provide Russian guest workers with housing, Citizenship, etc. And the "projects" will start to be implemented and Respect can be earned. So no, everything pulls somewhere to the left. What the [htym?
        2. Suhov
          Suhov 25 May 2013 15: 20 New
          0
          Quote: evil hamster
          but if you look at things soberly

          What prevents to increase plant capacity?
          1. evil hamster
            evil hamster 25 May 2013 18: 52 New
            +1
            There are no problems with capacities, but it’s impossible to immediately increase production. We need qualified personnel and it needs a lot, we need to attract and retain young specialists. labor productivity doesn’t increase right away, people learn how to work, but this is not a quick process, moreover, it is necessary to defeat the turnover so that a person who has worked for several years and is qualified does not leave the enterprise. It’s easy to break up production, but setting up again is far from simple and fast.
            1. wlad59
              wlad59 26 May 2013 19: 51 New
              +1
              I agree .... therefore the question is whether the young specialist (graduate of the institute) agrees to work at the aircraft factory in Moscow, St. Petersburg or Kiev, and receive a salary of $ 500 - 700. Something tells me that it’s unlikely ... and this is also a very painful issue (for organizing production)
              1. O_RUS
                O_RUS 26 May 2013 23: 47 New
                +2
                Quote: wlad59
                receive a salary of 500 - 700 $.


                good salary What is wrong again?
                1. wlad59
                  wlad59 27 May 2013 15: 02 New
                  -2
                  What planet are you from here ??? I meant that an ordinary seller in a mobile phone salon (in Moscow) receives 50000 rubles. ($ 1600-1700) ... fuck this aircraft factory! And the fitter of the collector needs to be trained at least 2-3 years in vocational schools ...
                  1. O_RUS
                    O_RUS 27 May 2013 23: 10 New
                    +2
                    Quote: wlad59
                    (in Moscow) receives 50000 rubles. ($ 1600-1700) ...


                    all this nonsense.

                    But for a graduate of the institute this is a decent salary ... It will take a year and a half or two before the graduate can work independently, but for now, there are only schools of it.
                    About 8-10 students study, and the rest buy control ones, etc. .............

                    In order to have my salary, I had to master the entire “cycle” to perfection, and besides this, in order to keep abreast of all the innovations, I regularly travel to Russia to improve my skills.
                    Thank you Russians for your hospitality! Visited the Tula region of the Murmansk Leningrad Pskov regions
      2. Ragnarek
        Ragnarek 25 May 2013 19: 21 New
        0
        when did you leave? I just live in Ulyanovsk
  16. pahom54
    pahom54 25 May 2013 12: 21 New
    +4
    National security consists of several components, including economic and industrial security. What is its essence - yes, that this state is not dependent on others, that is, products. their own, and their own technique. Now we have both aviation and rocket science very tied to Ukrainian enterprises. Why the hell should I get the money in there when it’s easier to build an enterprise at home, and what about the technical documentation? Does the horseradish do foreign intelligence? And as for the specialists - there, how many sensible specialists escaped to the States and Singapore, and at least lured the remaining ones to Russia. And do not hell to look back and listen to the cries of the angry - over there, China already doesn’t rivet from not its own, but already supposedly its equipment !!!
  17. evil hamster
    evil hamster 25 May 2013 12: 23 New
    0
    These are all the dreams of the Ukrainian government. However, they are usually very “fast” guys. They became a project when it became clear that they wouldn’t put An124 into production in the next five years. In general, in light of the economic situation, the possible increase in the cost of contracts for the Navy and the whining of the Ministry of Finance, which can be reduced, all the tight and difficult to implement joint projects such as An70 and An124 were the first candidates for a shift to the right, or even drank from GPV.
  18. Fofan
    Fofan 25 May 2013 12: 58 New
    +2
    Yeah, you invest money in a plant in Ukraine, and then they will declare another occupation of the Russians and will begin to deal with the consequences of destroying and destroying what was created. already passed.
  19. cherkas.oe
    cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 13: 04 New
    +5
    Nafig, nafig - “died so died” it’s better to invest money in organizing Ruslan’s production, and not to support the Ukrainian aviation industry, the faster it bends with them, the better for Russia.
    1. sashka
      sashka 25 May 2013 13: 24 New
      +3
      Quote: cherkas.oe
      the faster it bends with them, the better for Russia.

      Here you my friend got excited. Russia will not get worse, but it will be better too. One problem creates another. Now, if you solve them together, in a clear language and without tricks. Then there will be a result. Shuffling back and forth does not make sense. Maybe just wait until they are "fed" with freedom and begin to think about what they actually want ..
      1. cherkas.oe
        cherkas.oe 25 May 2013 14: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Sasha
        and they’ll begin to think what exactly they want.

        That's until they begin to think, the Ukrainian aviation industry by that time will be bent.
        1. seller trucks
          seller trucks 25 May 2013 14: 41 New
          -3
          let the earth be to him ...
  20. Avenger711
    Avenger711 25 May 2013 14: 10 New
    0
    Does Russia need it? Want to produce weapons together, no EU. However, they can be allowed into the EU, they will run away in 10 years, and Moscow will no longer complain about it.
  21. APASUS
    APASUS 25 May 2013 14: 16 New
    +4
    AN-70 and AN-124 Two machines that our countries need and the foreign market can be supplied!
    What is shared there is incomprehensible, but this news is already tired !!
    They will release, then no ............ under the carpet players were able to two countries to us .. fuck!
    1. sashka
      sashka 25 May 2013 16: 44 New
      0
      Quote: APASUS
      AN-70 and AN-124 Two machines that our countries need and the foreign market can be supplied!

      What does it mean to supply? Let them buy and not in debt but for money. That's just no money. 800000 hryvnias left in the treasury. It's time to start to beg and start nurses. Well, don't get used to it ..
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 25 May 2013 19: 03 New
        0
        Quote: Sasha
        What does it mean to supply? Let them buy and not in debt but for money. That's just no money. 800000 hryvnias left in the treasury.

        If I’m not mistaken, then Ukraine initially ordered for its needs only two AN-124 and no more than a dozen AN-70.
        The money for the country is certainly enormous, but this project was developed more for Russian needs and exports. Ukraine planned to make money on this project rather than modernize its air force.
  22. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 25 May 2013 14: 40 New
    +2
    Moneyless Ukraine, is trying to create joint ventures at the expense of Russian denyuzhek. Well done! fellow Why do they think they are smarter than everyone ?. If you create a joint venture then with equal capital. Until Ukraine decides on the European Union, the issue of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution.
  23. Krilion
    Krilion 25 May 2013 15: 10 New
    +3
    Quote: Ragnarek
    joint in the Ukrainian sense - Russia pays for everything


    Ukrainian joint venture:

    1. Russia pays for jobs and aircraft production in Ukraine.
    2. "Provides a market", i.e. after that pays the loot for the planes.
    3. Ultimately, Ukraine has the support of the aviation industry, jobs, taxes to the budget and market, and what does Russia have? Has the ability to buy airplanes. If they will.
  24. Yozhas
    Yozhas 25 May 2013 15: 52 New
    0
    These are all echoes of the Soviet system. Then they did it specifically, they did one detail in Kazakhstan, the other in Belarus, the third in Ukraine, and they were assembled in some other republic. The point is - in cases where their parts were separated for hell, no one needed them. What happened in 1991 For example, a plant for the assembly of silt in Tashkent.
    1. I think so
      I think so 25 May 2013 20: 17 New
      +1
      These are not “echoes of the Soviet system”, but echoes of the IMPAIRNESS of the thieves dividing the ONE country and the most powerful and efficient production system!
      1. Ivanovich47
        Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 00: 22 New
        0
        So this moron is understandable. What to talk about it. Sir, say a word, do not speak simple things ...
  25. 1c-inform-city
    1c-inform-city 25 May 2013 15: 52 New
    +2
    Japan m-t. An124 was developed and built in the USSR. Russia is legally the legal successor of the USSR. What is such intellectual property of Ukraine. On what basis. If you need to build, then asking about An 124 from Ukraine does not make sense.
    1. wlad59
      wlad59 26 May 2013 19: 47 New
      0
      So why isn’t Russia building ??? Maybe it can not ... without Ukraine?
      1. papamahno
        papamahno 27 May 2013 01: 26 New
        -1
        Quote: wlad59
        So why isn’t Russia building ??? Maybe it can not ... without Ukraine?

        - Generally it can’t. Like other planes, helicopters, rockets, etc.
  26. Yozhas
    Yozhas 25 May 2013 15: 59 New
    +2
    Quote: 1c-inform-city
    Japan m-t. An124 was developed and built in the USSR ......


    I agree. Do not hell with them kindly. We take and build ourselves. And then, during the collapse, they gave Ruslan to them and now they think that since their Volga-Dnieper is the main carrier of heavy cargo in the world, now they also have ownership planes for their development.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 26 May 2013 18: 49 New
      +1
      1- Volga-Dnepr is more likely a Russian company, Ukraine’s share there is small.
      2-Do you want to cooperate in aviation? Well, now let's imagine that Antonov began to cooperate with China to the maximum (narrow-eyed only for).
      Well, you immediately raise the howl.
      1. Jurkovs
        Jurkovs 27 May 2013 07: 44 New
        +2
        The copyright holder is Ukraine, since the design bureau was located in the Ukrainian SSR, and the main documentation and description of technological processes were in the RSfSR and now belongs to Russia. What was in Tashkent already belongs to Russia, and what was done in Ukraine, the equipment was dismantled. So Ukraine can’t sell anything to China, because it simply won’t buy a pig in a poke. One way to restore joint production. But Ukraine does not need this plane, it just wants to maintain high technology and copyright. And whether Russia needs him, apparently, we have not decided.
  27. Gagarin
    Gagarin 25 May 2013 18: 11 New
    0
    Quote: Ivanovich47
    Until Ukraine decides on the European Union, the question of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution, the question of creating new joint ventures should be treated with caution.

    I agree! You don’t even have to stutter about it!
  28. waisson
    waisson 25 May 2013 20: 50 New
    +1
    nepoyma one hundred no other yes you are a cow for mu ....... you pull. STRENGTH BROTHER UKRAINIAN IN ASSOCIATION OF ONE INTERESTS AND IDEAS WELL WE ARE UNDERSTANDING ANOTHER
    1. sashka
      sashka 27 May 2013 15: 53 New
      0
      Quote: waisson
      .SILA BROTHER UKRAINIAN IN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF ONE INTERESTS AND IDEAS WELL WE ARE UNDERSTANDING ANOTHER

      Is not a fact. Systematically and deliberately, this line is erased .. It can be said for now. Where God will carry you further, Yanukovych also knows. You also vote within 146%.
  29. Ivanovich47
    Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 00: 30 New
    0
    nepoymy one hundred is no other yes you that the cow for mu ....... you pull.
    I copied the speech of my brother, Ukrainian ... That's how everyone in Ukraine understands each other ... And we are going to build airplanes with them. Oh, and they fly with us ... I think that Russian aircraft builders in Ukraine have nothing to do ...
  30. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 26 May 2013 12: 37 New
    0
    In principle, we can arrange the production of Ruslans ourselves, but there is also a political side to the issue, the more joint projects we have, the more influence we will have on Ukraine and finally we can squeeze the Americans away and finally add the Slavs to the Slavs!
    1. Ivanovich47
      Ivanovich47 26 May 2013 14: 31 New
      0
      Ukraine "fell in love" with the European Union. Let him go there. They are waiting for her there! And we somehow get along without it
      1. papamahno
        papamahno 27 May 2013 01: 25 New
        0
        Quote: Ivanovich47
        Ukraine "fell in love" with the European Union. Let him go there. They are waiting for her there! And we somehow get along without it


        Thank! We will do An-124 with the EU then in Germany! good

        An-124 - the next series in the Russian soap opera
        http://www.aex.ru/docs/2/2013/2/6/1727/
        1. Jurkovs
          Jurkovs 27 May 2013 07: 35 New
          0
          We must not shout to Ukrainian officials at the public, but write a detailed business plan. Then it will become clear that the existing capabilities of the Volgo-Dnepr transport company cover all the global requirements for the delivery of superheavy cargoes, and the aircraft available in the Russian Air Force are idle. Ukraine is the copyright holder of this machine and is trying to extract at least some benefit from it. God help you.
  31. nnz226
    nnz226 26 May 2013 13: 50 New
    +1
    If there is technical documentation for the production of aircraft in Russia, why "cooperation" with an independent ?! There will be another "Maidan" with assholes beating in barrels, and production will sprinkle due to disruptions in the supply of components linked by Kiev to the price of gas, for example ...
    1. Jurkovs
      Jurkovs 27 May 2013 07: 31 New
      0
      There is technical documentation, there are opportunities, there is money, and Ukraine is the copyright holder. Hence the whole fuss, we still share the heritage of the Union.
  32. vBR
    vBR 26 May 2013 17: 14 New
    +4
    Quote: Interface
    It turns out that we will give them money, and they will repair the plant at home? Well, noooo, they’ll manage, we’ll better organize production at our place, it’s cheaper and more reliable. And what kind of aircraft quality will also be unknown, wagons go off the rails in the Urals due to defective Ukrainian-made platforms, and what will happen to the plane ....


    You and all kinds of sashki, even imagine what the plane consists of? You will not give any money, do not worry, but you will continue to sit and scribble on the Internet after school, imagining that Ukraine is populated mainly by Bandera people mixed with fat lovers. Money is needed to start production, and Ukraine does not have such funds for obvious reasons, and even if it needs these planes, it’s a couple of pieces. They made the An-124 in the USSR in Ulyanovsk, and probably will continue there. The release of the aircraft is designed primarily to cover the need for the Russian army and is beneficial to all enterprises involved in production. In addition to the D-18T engines, all of them are located on the territory of the Russian Federation, and above all, enterprises for the development and production of flight and navigation equipment. Such things should be welcomed without reservation. Among other things, this is the restoration of the cohesion of pieces of the country
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 26 May 2013 18: 44 New
      0
      In Kiev, they also did it, but in the 90s, they dismantled the technological equipment.
      So except in Ulyanovsk. “Ruslan” has nowhere else to produce.
      1. wlad59
        wlad59 26 May 2013 19: 57 New
        +1
        A small clarification: the wing was made in Tashkent .... to transfer pr-in to Ulyanovsk you need at least $ 1 billion - where is the money Zin? (it's only on the wing ....
        1. Conepatus
          Conepatus 26 May 2013 20: 01 New
          +1
          I meant the final assembly.
  33. Vtel
    Vtel 26 May 2013 19: 22 New
    0
    He listened, listened and thought, and why Bendera do not like us so much. Russia + Belorus + Ukraine- "Fifth Columns" = one people - Holy Russia! Let’s be softer to each other, the money we have is flowing like a river and it’s not all there, Chubais take it. And you cannot buy friendship for money!
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 26 May 2013 19: 26 New
      0
      You got with your Banderaites. There are fewer of them in Ukraine than you Chechens.
  34. Jurkovs
    Jurkovs 27 May 2013 07: 26 New
    0
    Russia is not interested in the joint production of the AN-124 due to the uncertainty of the sales market. Available aircraft in the Russian Air Force are idle. But Russia is interested in becoming the copyright holder of this machine, since it is easiest to make an Air Start on its basis, and in this matter there can be no talk of joint technologies.
    1. Conepatus
      Conepatus 27 May 2013 10: 08 New
      -1
      "Air Start" is not "Ruslan", but "Mriya"