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Stratfor: The United States and Europe do not have the necessary power to stop the bloodshed in Syria

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Stratfor: The United States and Europe do not have the necessary power to stop the bloodshed in SyriaThe civil war in Syria, one of the longest-lasting consequences of the Arab Spring, has been under way for more than two years now. During all this time, during the confrontation, substantial interference from outside was observed. Alawites led by Bashar al-Assad enjoyed, in particular, the support of the Iranians. The Russians also did not pass by, albeit to a lesser extent. On the other hand, the Saudis and some other Gulf monarchies helped the Sunni rebels in various ways. As for the Americans, Europeans and Israelis, they, for the most part, took a position of non-intervention.


The end of April was marked by events that increased the likelihood of their intervention as well. Given the bitter experience of Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya, America, along with Europe, was not particularly eager to get involved in yet another "history"At the same time, neither America nor Europe wanted to find themselves in a situation in which intervention would be excluded even if necessary. Thus, they designated a conditional" red line ", the intersection of which would force them to reconsider their position. Namely - the use of chemical weapons.

There were two reasons why this “red line” was held. First, the United States and European countries do not tolerate the presence and use of weapons of mass destruction by other countries to colic in the guts, because they view this as a threat to their well-being, especially if such weapons fall into the hands of non-governmental organizations. But as for Syria, there was an even more weighty reason for rejection: everyone understood that Assad was not so careless as to use chemical weapons. The Americans felt that his whole strategy was based on refraining from direct invasion of the country. In the US, it was understood that Assad certainly would not pass the point of no return. This state of affairs quite suited both Americans and Europeans, because it allowed them to look extremely decisive without hitting them with their fingers.

However, in recent weeks, first the United Kingdom and France, and then Israel and the United States made statements that the government army used chemical weapons for the first time in the years of confrontation. No one was able to determine the scale of the defeat and indicate the exact number of victims. And the evidence for the use of chemical weapons was so vague that they relieved the parties concerned of the need for immediate intervention.

Recall Iraq, where, as it turned out, there was neither a nuclear nor any underground program to develop chemical and biological weapons, as was confirmed by American intelligence agencies. If such a program were to take place, then perhaps the American invasion would meet with great support from the world community. But even in this case, it is highly doubtful that the result would be better. The United States would continue to drive the Sunnis to a standstill, while the Iranians would still support the Shiite militias. Well, the Kurds would not give up trying to use the universal chaos to achieve the independence of their land. They would try to put an end to the conflict, but the end result was hardly any different from what we have today.

The lesson the United States gained in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya: it’s easy for conventional forces to destroy a government. It is much more difficult - if not impossible - to use the same force to impose a new type of government. The next government may be morally better than the previous one; it's hard to imagine anything more ugly than the regime of Saddam Hussein. But the regime that comes to replace it will first be called chaos, which will be followed by another one, keeping the US on a short leash. So whether it is a question of the notorious “red line” or not, few people want to be dragged into someone else’s war that revolves around weapons of mass destruction.

Interview: Arguments and Illusions

In general, so ... There are those who, for moral reasons, crave an invasion. In Syria, of course, there are problems of a moral and ethical sense, similar to those observed in Iraq. The current regime is fundamentally corrupt and vicious. It should not be forgotten that under the Al-Asad regime, mass pogroms were committed in the city of Ham in 1982, which resulted in the destruction of tens of thousands of Sunnis for daring to oppose the ruling clan. There was nothing new in this, and the world community could well maintain a position of indifference - at that time the media could silence the information on orders. Syria’s “elder brother” of the Soviet Union stood guard over the interests of the ruling clan due to its immediate interest in its prosperity. It was a struggle in which few people wanted to climb - the risk was too great.

Today everything is different. Today, Syria’s “patron” and “elder brother” is Iran, which, prior to the Syrian events, was trying to redo the balance of power in the region. Thus, from the point of view of American law and in the name of moral values, the invasion is fully justified, as it is intended to resist the regime that personifies evil. Some representatives of the left forces also wish to invade. In the 80, the primary concern of the left was the threat of nuclear war, and they viewed any intervention as a destabilizing factor that could upset the already delicate balance. The threat of nuclear war has sunk into oblivion, and the topic of military intervention in the name of protecting human rights for them is still a key, if not universal.

The difference between advocates of intervention from the right and left camps is an illusion that they diligently nourish. Despite the lessons taught by Afghanistan and Iraq, the right-wing advocates of the intervention still think that the United States and Europe have the power not only to assert regimes, but also to “plant” peace in the affected countries and create Western-style democratic states. The left believes that there is such a thing as neutral interference. This is when the United States and Europe invade to end once and for all with the evil of the world, but when evil is defeated, the country will choose a constitutional democracy in the Western manner according to its “good” will. Where the right cannot learn the lessons of Afghanistan and Iraq in any way, the left is incapable of perceiving the Libyan lessons.

When communism in Eastern Europe fell, everyone was delighted. And what could not like it? The evil empire collapsed - a reason for the joy of the right forces. The left fought in ecstasy about the restored human rights. But let's not forget that before Eastern Europe was captured by Joseph Stalin in 1945, she was under the yoke of Adolf Hitler. Eastern Europeans mostly hated both. The collapse of the Soviet Union gave them the opportunity to be who they were by nature. What was hidden under the surface layer - the suppressed, but still existing political culture and aspiration - was always there.

At the bottom of Afghanistan or Iraq there was nothing like that. These countries were not Europe and never wanted to be. One of the reasons why Hussein was despised was his principle of secularism, with which he violated the fundamental norms of Islam, both in his personal life and in the manner of governing the country. Many received a lot of dividends from the Hussein regime and gave him full support. But if we abstract from the regime as such, then the Muslim country remains eagerly, eager to return to its own political culture - just as Eastern Europe returned to its own.

In Syria, we see the struggle of two factors. Syria’s ruling Assad regime is Alawite (a branch of Shiism). But a far more important distinctive feature of this regime is its secularism, not guided either by the principles of democratic liberalism or by its roots in secular Arab socialism. Remove the regime, and all that remains under it will be - not another secular movement, this time democratic or liberal, but underground Islamic forces that were oppressed, but they didn’t pull out the roots to the end.

According to a New York Times article this week, there are no organized secular forces in Syrian areas controlled by Sunni insurgents. Formations of religious persuasion are used, and secularism - this concept refers to the Ba'ath Party and the Alawites. The regime and the Alawites were brutal, but get rid of them and you will not get a liberal democracy. This circumstance was missed by many observers for the Arab Spring. They believed that behind the screen of the secular and cruel totalitarian regime of Hosni Mubarak was a secular liberal democratic force. In Egypt, it was more than in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, but it did not prove to be a clear alternative to Mubarak. An alternative, perhaps not as explicit as in other countries, was the Muslim Brotherhood. Without the Egyptian army, the third was not given.

The complexity of the intervention

In the case of Syria, there are serious military tasks. The idea of ​​a smooth invasion will not work. Surgical precision strikes against chemical objects are a great idea, but field intelligence does not always work perfectly. Syria has an air defense system that cannot be destroyed without serious civilian casualties. Destruction of buildings that store chemical weapons may result in the leakage of chemicals before they ignite. Sending task forces into the interior of Syria - there will be no easy ride on a pair of helicopters. This country is an armed camp, and the destruction of chemical weapons storages is a difficult task, requiring the involvement of a large amount of human resources. To achieve this goal, you need to clear the ports, airports, as well as roads leading to the vaults. Then it all needs to be guarded.

For the complete destruction of chemical weapons in Syria (assuming that it is all concentrated on the territory controlled by Assad) will have to occupy these lands. The perimeter of the occupation will vary from day to day. Also, due to the dynamism of the civil war, it is highly likely that part of the stockpiles of chemical weapons will fall into the hands of Sunni insurgents. There are no methods that would guarantee a solution to the problem of surgical precision, whether it be point airstrikes, special operations, etc. As in the case of Iraq, the United States will be forced to occupy the country.

If Bashar Asad and the ruling elite of Syria are eliminated, his supporters - a significant minority - will continue to resist, just as the Sunnis in Iraq did. They achieved a lot under the Assad regime. In their understanding, the victory of the Sunnis will turn into a disaster for them. Sunnis, in turn, have enough brutality to repay the same. On the Sunni side, there may be a secular Liberal-Democratic grouping, but if so, it is very poorly organized, controlled by the Islamists and their more radical counterparts, some of which are associated with al-Qaeda. The civil war will continue until the US intervenes in the process on the side of the Islamists, crushes the Alawite regime and transfers power to the radicals. Something similar happened in Iraq, where the United States undertook to suppress the Sunnis, but did not want to transfer power to the Shiites. The result - all turned against the Americans.

This will be the result of neutral intervention or intervention designed to impose constitutional democracy. Those who decide to intervene will be trapped between Syrian reality and sophisticated fantasies, which from time to time guide US and European foreign policy. In the strategic plan, no serious damage will be incurred. The United States and Europe have an impressive population, many resources, so that they can afford to go on such invasions. But the United States cannot afford to suffer defeat over and over again as a result of interventions with some marginal national interests, especially when the goal is to solve irrational political problems. In a sense, power correlates with the perception of reality, and the habit of not benefiting from lessons undermines this power.

Many things are outside the military power of the United States. The creation of constitutional democracies through invasion is one of them. There will be those who will argue that the meaning of the invasion supposedly lies not in the expansion of Western values, but in the cessation of bloodshed. Others will say that an invasion, the purpose of which is not the introduction of Western values, is meaningless. And those and others are wrong. You cannot stop a civil war by supplying it with another party to the conflict, unless that party has truly unlimited possibilities. The power of the United States is great, but not unlimited. By the way, the use of huge power leads to huge losses. It is impossible to transform the political culture of the state from the outside if you are not prepared to empty it, as was done with Germany and Japan.

The United States of America, together with its European allies, does not have the necessary power to stop the bloodshed in Syria. If they try to do this, the burden of responsibility will hardly be comparable to the bloody result and the lack of victory in the strategic plan. There are places on the planet where it would be worthwhile to go and fight, but there should be few of them, and they should be extremely important. For the United States, bloodshed in Syria is no more important than for the Syrians themselves.
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  1. Che
    Che 6 May 2013 18: 38 New
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    To stop the bloodshed in any country, you do not need to prepare and untie it, and then supply the bandits and enjoy how they kill their people. Therefore, Assad defeats rats.
    1. sergey32
      sergey32 6 May 2013 18: 56 New
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      Those who call the invasion loudest should be sent there in the front ranks of both the right and left. You see, they will follow the filthy languages, Syria is not a geyropa for them.
      1. Geisenberg
        Geisenberg 6 May 2013 23: 36 New
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        Quote: sergey32
        Those who call the invasion loudest should be sent there in the front ranks of both the right and left. You see, they will follow the filthy languages, Syria is not a geyropa for them.


        A strange article. The beginning is quite good, and the ending is meaningless. What the avtyr calls for is incomprehensible, although not, he calls for accepting the terrorist war against a legitimate government as a civil one. In general, it is clear - if you let him develop the thought, we will see quotes from Hilary.

        To stop the bloodshed in Syria, you just need to stop giving money to the terrorists and the Syrian state machine will transfer them as soon as possible.
        1. CTEPX
          CTEPX 7 May 2013 06: 09 New
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          Quote: Geisenberg
          A strange article.

          The article is an excellent example of the algorithm fed to simulate the mental activity of the "golden billion".
          There is no doubt about the military right (in any form: from terrorist to direct) invasion of any state.
          There is only one thing that pretends to be - the ability to get the teeth in response and the degree of cost. And, pay attention, there is no doubt about the multivariance of the implementation of the invasion.
          But, fundamentally, this article is the creation of an opportunity for retreat)).
  2. Hudo
    Hudo 6 May 2013 18: 47 New
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    Stratfor: The United States and Europe do not have the necessary power to stop the bloodshed in Syria

    I am translating the title of the article into Russian - "The US Kalas and Euro-hyenas will need to get lost in a flock, since their hirelings are suffering defeat after defeat in Syria."
    1. elmi
      elmi 6 May 2013 20: 22 New
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      it’s hard to imagine anything more vile than Saddam Hussein’s regime.

      The idea of ​​a smooth invasion will not work. Surgically accurate hit on chemical objects - great idea

      Sending operational groups deep into Syria - there will be no easy walk on a pair of helicopters. This country is an armed camp, and the destruction of chemical weapons storage facilities is a complex task requiring the attraction of a large amount of human resources. To achieve this goal, you need to clean up ports, airports, as well as roads leading to storage facilities. Then all this also needs to be protected.

      For the complete destruction of chemical weapons in Syria (assuming that it is all concentrated in the territory controlled by Assad), these lands will have to be occupied.

      Article zakazuha, against B. Assad, S. Hussein generally has a clearly pro-Western or pro-Israeli regime. Why did Saddam Hussein not please them? because with him there was order and relative prosperity, and what happened after his overthrow was pro-Western forces ... I think everyone knows. And now, through these publications, they want to turn the majority opinion against B. Assad.
      I’m glad that people here know what’s what and you won’t be fooled on the chaff.
    2. Corsair5912
      Corsair5912 6 May 2013 20: 29 New
      +1
      I am translating the title of the article into Russian - "The US Kalas and Euro-hyenas will need to get lost in a flock, since their hirelings are suffering defeat after defeat in Syria."


      And Euros and Yusovites do not want to substitute their asses under the Syrian bullets. Shocking stsuki face to face fighting on equal terms.
      The dream is to drop 20 kilotons of nuclear sticks in Paris, London, Washington, the Pentagon, NATO and the United Nations. So that the bastards on their ass could hear what bombing is.
      1. Corsair5912
        Corsair5912 6 May 2013 20: 32 New
        +7
        How our children in the USSR sang:
        Maybe we offended someone in vain,
        Dropping a couple of extra megatons,
        See how fun the earth is boiling
        Where recently the Pentagon stuck.
  3. Belogor
    Belogor 6 May 2013 18: 51 New
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    "As for the Americans, Europeans and Israelis, for the most part, they took a position of non-interference."
    Well, yes, they are silent and do nothing, just white fluffy goodies.
    As they already got, these universal people with their hypocrisy and lies.
    1. Scoun
      Scoun 6 May 2013 19: 32 New
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      Quote: Belogor
      As they already got, these universal people with their hypocrisy and lies.

      Material from the free Russian encyclopedia Tradition
      The common man is a subtype of the liberal who professed to profess the principle of absolute primacy of the so-called “Universal values” not only over the norm of the current legislation of the country of residence, but also over any ethnic tradition, generally accepted norms of morality. As a rule, universal people most fully realize their aspirations in the role of the so-called. human rights defenders.
      In clinical terms, humans are generally sociopaths (antisocial psychopaths) or schizoid psychopaths. Due to this circumstance, informally, the original definition of “demshiz” was firmly entrenched in them. In addition, according to a not completely explainable regularity, among all human beings, various kinds of sexual deviations and perversions are much more common.
      Back in the early 1990s, a humorous definition appeared that “a universal person is a person who knows how to convert universal human values ​​into a freely convertible currency.” Most likely, it was due to its appearance that was quite clearly manifested by the desire of all people to receive all kinds of foreign grants.
  4. andrei332809
    andrei332809 6 May 2013 18: 54 New
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    As for the Americans, Europeans and Israelis, they, for the most part, took a position of non-intervention.

    Yes, well .... can I believe it?
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    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 18: 57 New
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      Quote: MY THOUGHT
      ASAD IS AFRAID TO BEHIND ISRAELI AIRCRAFT ?,,, I am very interested
      not afraid. EW.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 19: 21 New
        +9
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: MY THOUGHT
        ASAD IS AFRAID TO BEHIND ISRAELI AIRCRAFT ?,,, I am very interested
        not afraid. EW.


        He will deal with the zaslanets-hirelings, and he will snitch you right on the "Iron Kumpole", so that you will return to reality from ringing in your ears.
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 20: 54 New
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          Quote: Hudo
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          Quote: MY THOUGHT
          ASAD IS AFRAID TO BEHIND ISRAELI AIRCRAFT ?,,, I am very interested
          not afraid. EW.


          He will deal with the zaslanets-hirelings, and he will snitch you right on the "Iron Kumpole", so that you will return to reality from ringing in your ears.

          Wait and see. Maybe it will sound, maybe not.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 6 May 2013 20: 56 New
            +7
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            Wait and see. Maybe it will sound, maybe not.


            For such your art, to knock on the bastard - that’s it!
            1. Aaron Zawi
              Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 20 New
              +4
              Quote: Hudo
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Wait and see. Maybe it will sound, maybe not.

              For such your art, to knock on the bastard - that’s it!

              Georgians also dream of bothering you so what? Are you worried?
              1. Kaa
                Kaa 6 May 2013 22: 00 New
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                Quote: Hudo
                For such your art, to knock on the bastard - that’s it!

                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                Georgians also dream of bothering you so what? Are you worried?
                We are not, and you are yes... It’s your site that writes with a shaking hand: “On Monday, May 6, the Syrian ruler announced his subsequent plan of action in a message published in Moscow: a third Israeli strike will entail an instant Syrian response., he warned. Damascus will allow Palestinian organizations to "break the leash" in order to resume terrorist attacks against Israel from the Syrian Golan.
                This portends, according to our military sources, the launch of cross-border wars for the exhaustion by transit from Syria and Lebanon of Syrian soldiers and Hezbollah issued as Palestinian militants if Israel continues its attacks on Syria.
                Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast said on Monday that "acts of aggression against Syria will not go unanswered and Tel Aviv will receive a crushing response."
                Meanwhile, an Israeli operation in Syria is expected in late May and early June, ranging from American deliveries of weapons to Syrian rebels to the destruction of Syrian air forces and missile bases by American air strikes from Turkey, Europe and Israel. Barack Obama used this tactic to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi in Libya two years ago.
                Syrian rebels are systematically defeated and falling apart under the crushing weight of the Syrian army with the support of Iranian advisers, Moscow’s Hezbollah, supplying the rebels with weapons is more unsuccessful. . Meanwhile, the military operation of Israel changed the military equation for Syria. And then US President Barack Obama again tried to propose to Vladimir Putin a joint effort to end the Syrian war. He was not even against the Russian landing in Syria to ensure compliance with the cessation of hostilities. However, the American president did not move one iota to break Iran-Syria-Hezbollah relations — mainly because he was outwitted by Russia. On April 27, before Israel took action against Syria, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Mikhail Bogdanov entered into a new Russian alliance with Hezbollah in Beirut. It was Putin’s response to Obama’s direct appeal for partnership in efforts to end the Syrian conflict. Obama's response was the green light that he gave Israel to attack Iran and Hezbollah targets in Syria.Assad warned Moscow on Monday of its plan for a war of attrition against Israel using Palestinian fighters, while Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah turned their missile batteries toward Israel.Having considered that Syria is too busy with its war to give a decent answer, On Sunday evening, Israel deployed early warning systems near the northern borders of the country and the region, including the large port city of Haifa - at the highest level of readiness for war, closed its airspace for civilian transport for several days, and deployed the Iron Dome to vulnerable points , and advised the local authorities to go into standby mode.
                http://www.debka.com/article/22955/IDF-on-war-alert-Iran-Syrian-Hizballah-war-of
                -attrition-threatened-US-set-to-act-on-Syria
                WE DO NOT DO ANYTHING AGAINST GEORGIA, SO WHO IS AFRAID?
                1. Aaron Zawi
                  Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 12 New
                  -8
                  Debka? lol Tod oh.
                  1. Kaa
                    Kaa 6 May 2013 22: 57 New
                    +8
                    Quote: Aron Zaavi
                    Debka? Tod oh.

                    The law of pairing of cases, not otherwise, already today wrote to one amusing, I repeat for you-LAUGHTER FOR NO REASON - SIGN fool
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 6 May 2013 23: 03 New
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                      As far as I heard, they have Debka like our "MK" or "Independent". They don't really monitor the quality of the information provided.
                      1. Kaa
                        Kaa 7 May 2013 00: 07 New
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                        Quote: Spade
                        Do not particularly monitor the quality of the information provided.
                        Well, sorry for the flaw, as long as I have no sources of information in the Israeli government or IDF leadership. By the way, intelligence all over the world, EMNIP, up to 90% of information is obtained from open resources belay
                      2. Lopatov
                        Lopatov 7 May 2013 00: 19 New
                        +2
                        Quote: Kaa
                        By the way, intelligence all over the world, EMNIP, up to 90% of information is obtained from open resources

                        If the Americans got information about the Russian Armed Forces from NVO from Nezavisimaya Gazeta, they would have attacked us long ago.
              2. elmi
                elmi 6 May 2013 23: 06 New
                +6
                third Israeli strike will entail an instant Syrian response

                But the Israelis can substitute the Syrians - their third blow to Syria and, accordingly, use the guaranteed response from Syria in their own interests - for example, prepare a chemical explosion in their territory in the right place and at the right time to make an explosion, they will drive reporters to the place of the explosion and show everything the world what they are not good - use chem. weapons. This scenario cannot be ruled out.
            2. Hudo
              Hudo 6 May 2013 22: 06 New
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Georgians also dream of bothering you so what? Are you worried?


              Do "timid Georgians" (c) always share their dreams, fantasies and phobias with you?
            3. GSH-18
              GSH-18 6 May 2013 22: 33 New
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Georgians also dream of bothering you so what? Are you worried?

              Georgians do not dream, Saakashvili is dreaming. After all, American money was not fully worked out after all. For which his Condaliza scolded in due time laughing
            4. Geisenberg
              Geisenberg 6 May 2013 23: 39 New
              +1
              Quote: Aaron Zawi
              Georgians also dream of bothering you so what? Are you worried?


              Plus for the right train of thought. We don’t care about the Georgians, but we don’t even bomb them ...
        2. Rioter
          Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 05 New
          -13
          Syria warily warned that she had already warned that if anything, she would warn without warning.
          1. Hudo
            Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 15 New
            +5
            Quote: Rioter
            Syria warily warned that she had already warned that if anything, she would warn without warning.


            For an incomprehensible reason, you are somehow very pleased with any failure of government forces in Syria. Why?
            “There is no person who would be like an Island, in itself, each person is part of the Mainland, part of Sushi; and if the coastal cliff blows into the sea in a wave, Europe will become smaller, and also if it rinses off the edge of the cape or destroys your castle or your friend; the death of every Human also belittles me, for I am one with all of Humanity, and therefore don’t ask who the bell tolls: it rings for You ”Ernest Hemingway.
            1. Rioter
              Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 49 New
              -8
              I just scared Interseno to watch this exciting thriller to the end. the Arabians excelled themselves in developing this scenario. And now when there are signs that Israel has found a common language with the Arabs, I just burn with impatience. Israel and the Arabs together, in the same harness, stir up a thriller for Iran. Are you not interested in what will happen in the finale?
              1. Hudo
                Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 56 New
                +5
                Quote: Rioter
                Are you not interested in what will happen in the finale?


                Strange interests you have, you would seem psychiatrist.
                1. Rioter
                  Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 07 New
                  -7
                  Before the army examined. Said fit. The most that. True, it has long been. But even then such things were interesting to me. This is really a very interesting film and Bashar is only an intermediate act of this tragedy. But because of his stupid stubbornness, everyone does not show me the next scene. And this one seems too long. I want to surprise the next episode already.
                  1. Hudo
                    Hudo 6 May 2013 22: 13 New
                    +7
                    Quote: Rioter
                    This is really a very interesting film and Bashar is only an intermediate act of this tragedy. But because of his stupid stubbornness, everyone does not show me the next scene. And this one seems too long. And I want to surprise the next episode already.


                    If you look too enthusiastically at how someone else’s house is burning, you can miss the moment when your own one flames with might and main.
                    Threat. But to the doctor, nevertheless, show yourself. Do not delay.
              2. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 6 May 2013 22: 05 New
                +1
                Quote: Rioter
                Israel and the Arabs together, in the same harness, stir up a thriller for Iran. Are you not interested in what will happen in the finale?

                Israel has long found a common language with the Arabs and has long been playing on the Sunni-Shiite confrontation, it has long been clear who is watching these events;)
                1. Rioter
                  Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 08 New
                  -3
                  not so long ago. but most importantly before everything was under the carpet. and now, under this carpet, there are so many participants that they no longer fit there and something that can be seen.
              3. Phantom Revolution
                Phantom Revolution 6 May 2013 22: 12 New
                +2
                Quote: Rioter
                what will happen in the finale?

                I will not say, but in the event of the fall of Iran, there will be another game, directed either further into this region, displacing the influence of Israel and the EU, the influence of the Arab states is already growing in the EU by hook or by crook. So there may be a confrontation between the EU and the Arabs, which flows into a good mess.
                There may be a few more scenarios, but I will keep this for myself.)
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 23 New
                  +6
                  There will be no "fall of Iran". We missed the moment. And the unilateral sanctions from Europe and other American singers were a big mistake. Iran has become a Chinese hydrocarbon barrel. For example, the volumes of gas that were refused by polit. motivated by Japan, the Chinese ate it, and even asked for supplements.

                  And for this barrel, China will butt to the end. This is one of the pillars of their planned development.
              4. CTEPX
                CTEPX 7 May 2013 06: 32 New
                +1
                Quote: Rioter
                the arabians excelled themselves

                Something you appointed a new Hitler early)).
                In the candidates there go and Turkey, and Qatar, and Afghanistan ...
                Quote: Rioter
                developing this scenario.

                Do not distort. Even Israel was not allowed to develop)).
            2. Kaa
              Kaa 6 May 2013 23: 00 New
              +3
              Quote: Hudo
              For an incomprehensible reason, you are somehow very pleased with any failure of government forces in Syria.
              But he is anti-Semitic, since Syrians belong to the group of Semitic peoples ... repeat
    2. TUMAN
      TUMAN 6 May 2013 20: 53 New
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      not afraid. EW.

      Are these Israeli children giving "gifts" to Syrian children?
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 19 New
        -9
        Quote: TUMAN
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        not afraid. EW.

        Are these Israeli children giving "gifts" to Syrian children?

        Are you lying again?
        These are X-le gifts from children whose cities and towns regularly fired from Lebanon until July 2006. It took X-le to explain what was not worth it. She understood what, and in August of this year, it may be 7 years, as no one shoots Israel from Lebanon. Apparently I liked the gifts.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 29 New
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          From Israeli children to Lebanese children.
          Cool.
          In the place of a normal Israeli military, I would cut off the hands of both those who allowed this show "drawing on a projectile" to be arranged, and even more so the idiot photographer who captured it and made it public.
          1. Kars
            Kars 6 May 2013 21: 40 New
            +2
            Oh yes Lando. If you can search and find in Russian. And this photo is just cool M-109
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 49 New
              +3
              Cool. The shell on the tray, now they will throw in the rifling.

              Okay, this is a fighter. That he will write crap on the shell, then instead of a ... lost orphaned gilding spoon will find.

              By default, soldiers are not handsome boys with a harp in one hand and a volume of Andrei Bely in the other.
          2. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 50 New
            -8
            Quote: Spade
            From Israeli children to Lebanese children.
            Cool.
            In the place of a normal Israeli military, I would cut off the hands of both those who allowed this show "drawing on a projectile" to be arranged, and even more so the idiot photographer who captured it and made it public.

            Children from the frontline. The guns stood right next to their houses.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 58 New
              +6
              So what? In our military town 3, five-story buildings were blown up. But it never occurred to anyone to drag children into the park to paint shells.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 23: 01 New
                -5
                Quote: Spade
                So what? In our military town 3, five-story buildings were blown up. But it never occurred to anyone to drag children into the park to paint shells.

                In Buinaksk?
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 May 2013 23: 08 New
                  +1
                  Vladikavkaz, "Sputnik"
                2. ars_pro
                  ars_pro 7 May 2013 04: 28 New
                  +1
                  Dear Aaron Zavi, I have always read your opinion, but now I’m discouraged, you talk about children with such confidence,
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  Children from the frontline. Guns stood right next to their houses
                  , I am sad to read this all the more from you !!!
                  1. ars_pro
                    ars_pro 7 May 2013 05: 09 New
                    0
                    And the point is not that the children, (just in case, I tell you), I just would not send my daughter to paint rockets, intended for my neighbors, because one of the most important thoughts of all peoples do not do what you would not want what would you do !!! But in Israel, the laws do not apply?
          3. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 54 New
            -3
            Quote: Spade
            From Israeli children to Lebanese children.
            .

            Does it say "Nasrallah with love" or don't you want to read it? Written in English. Hopefully the leader of Hezbollah you are not a child?
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 03 New
              +5
              I hope you are aware that in the Second Lebanon, civilians raided the most? Which were by no means related to the Palestinians Nasrallah.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 16 New
                -3
                Quote: Spade
                I hope you are aware that in the Second Lebanon, civilians raided the most? Which were by no means related to the Palestinians Nasrallah.

                No, not in the know. Although the civilians went to the Israeli too. Let the Lebanese say thanks to Hezbollah. You know how it all began in 2006.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 27 New
                  +4
                  And they said. Now the Nasrallah’s guys are the main defenders of the Lebanese civilian population from an aggressive neighbor who has attacked their country twice.
                  You didn’t show yourself very well in the war itself, but you simply leaked the information completely.
                  1. Aaron Zawi
                    Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 58 New
                    -1
                    Quote: Spade
                    And they said. Now the Nasrallah’s guys are the main defenders of the Lebanese civilian population from an aggressive neighbor who has attacked their country twice.
                    You didn’t show yourself very well in the war itself, but you simply leaked the information completely.

                    The informational one was leaked. And they acted stupidly at the beginning. The political leadership chewed snot for a long time, so the IDF danced a card ballet "one step forward, two steps back." But in the end, they got hot and for 7 years already, X-la has been behaving like a goody. He gets angry, collects missiles, threatens, but here's the thing that doesn't shoot. Means the lesson was memorable.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 6 May 2013 23: 05 New
                      0
                      No need to remove the blame from the OAI. How many people in uniform after a debriefing kick kicked in the ass for retirement kicked?
                    2. Aaron Zawi
                      Aaron Zawi 7 May 2013 00: 51 New
                      +2
                      Quote: Spade
                      No need to remove the blame from the OAI. How many people in uniform after a debriefing kick kicked in the ass for retirement kicked?

                      Full of. Starting from the Moscow Region and the National High School.
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 7 May 2013 01: 01 New
                      0
                      That's it.
                      They say that there were problems with the concept of "network-centric combat operations" recently introduced into the practice of combat use of troops. The units waited for hours for artillery and air support.

                      Someone forgot that war is not a place for experimentation.
    3. TUMAN
      TUMAN 6 May 2013 21: 31 New
      10
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      Are you lying again?

      You lie, and your blood brothers, lies wherever Jews are. Recently, on this site, a pimp, professor, Karish-atalef with foam at the mouth proved that Israel does not support the Syrian fighters, that Israel does not give a damn about Syria and Assad. That Israel is so white and fluffy and blah, blah, blah. And you still dare to call someone a liar ?! Have you been fired from Syria? So fired or not? Why then bomb? And please do not tell us rubbish here about chemical weapons.
      1. Aaron Zawi
        Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 06 New
        -4
        Quote: TUMAN
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Are you lying again?

        You lie, and your blood brothers, lies wherever Jews are. Recently, on this site, a pimp, professor, Karish-atalef with foam at the mouth proved that Israel does not support the Syrian fighters, that Israel does not give a damn about Syria and Assad. That Israel is so white and fluffy and blah, blah, blah. And you still dare to call someone a liar ?! Have you been fired from Syria? So fired or not? Why then bomb? And please do not tell us rubbish here about chemical weapons.
        calmer. There is no need for hysterics and transition to nationalities, otherwise I can say a little about the people whose representative you are. It was not chemical weapons that were bombed, but warehouses with Fajar missiles intended for Kh-le. So why would Syria shoot us directly? They are doing very well arming and supplying Hezbollah and Hamas. By the way, the military doctrine of the Russian Federation also contains a point on which the Republic of Armenia has the right to strike at foreign territory if there are formations that threaten the security of Russia. Well, we take an example from the big ones.
        1. TUMAN
          TUMAN 6 May 2013 22: 20 New
          +4
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          calmer. I don’t need tantrums and switching to nationalities, otherwise I can tell Mr. people about the people whose representative you are.

          I belong to the Great people who defeated Nazism, to which you and your brothers owe life! My grandfather and his brothers fought, and went through the whole war, my grandfather has many military awards, and the Order of the Patriotic War of the first degree (I can prove there is a heroic deed), and my grandfather's brother died in Poland as a hero of the Soviet Union. And what can you tell me? Tell that to the Zionist oligarchs, who are robbing my people, robbing the one to whom they owe life. These are the pies, dear Aron. I would try to shame you, but your nation, the feeling of shame and conscience, is completely absent.
          1. Aaron Zawi
            Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 33 New
            0
            Quote: TUMAN
            Quote: Aron Zaavi
            calmer. I don’t need tantrums and switching to nationalities, otherwise I can tell Mr. people about the people whose representative you are.

            I belong to the Great people who defeated Nazism, to which you and your brothers owe life! My grandfather and his brothers fought, and went through the whole war, my grandfather has many military awards, and the Order of the Patriotic War of the first degree (I can prove there is a heroic deed), and my grandfather's brother died in Poland as a hero of the Soviet Union. And what can you tell me? Tell that to the Zionist oligarchs, who are robbing my people, robbing the one to whom they owe life. These are the pies, dear Aron. I would try to shame you, but your nation, the feeling of shame and conscience, is completely absent.

            Well, both grandfathers fought with me and not bad, and I can also give their data to podvignaroda. And I can tell you a lot. Including the fact that the Ukrainians gave the largest number of armed kolobarzionists who served Hitler. But this does not prevent me from respecting the people who gave the world heroes, workers and thinkers. For I am used to judging people not by the worst, but by its best representatives. As for the oligarchs, it seems that neither Akhmetov nor Yanukovych are Jews. Of course laziness, but I can go through the 100 list of the richest Ukrainians. You look, not only Jews show up.
            1. Apollo
              Apollo 6 May 2013 22: 47 New
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              As for the oligarchs, it seems that neither Akhmetov nor Yanukovych are Jews. Of course laziness, but I can go through the 100 list of the richest Ukrainians. You look, not only Jews show up.


              I don’t understand one thing, why are you breaking spears here, yes, the oligarchs don’t give a damn about people, nationality or religion. They have only one god - that’s money. As long as you bite here and they earn loot there.
            2. TUMAN
              TUMAN 6 May 2013 22: 50 New
              +2
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              And I can tell you a lot. Including the fact that the Ukrainians gave the largest number of armed kolobarzionists who served Hitler.

              Here is the data on those who financed Hitler. Then, if you are interested, I will give an info about the cooperation between the SS and the Zionists, and then, I will list the Jewish military who served in the Wehrmacht and the SS.

              About the contribution of influential Jews of that time to the formation of the Third Reich, the growth of Hitler’s influence, the “world community” prefers to remain silent. And the people who raise this issue are immediately accused of revisionism, fascism, anti-Semitism, etc. Jews and Hitler - this is one of the most closed topics in the world media. Although it is no secret that the Fuhrer and the NSDAP were sponsored by such influential Jewish industrialists as Reynold Gesner and Fritz Mandel. Significant help was provided to Hitler by the famous banking dynasty of Warburgs and personally by Max Warburg (director of the Hamburg bank MM Warburg & Co.).
              Among other Jewish bankers who did not spare money for the NSDAP, it was necessary to single out Berliners Oscar Wasserman (one of the leaders of Deutsche Bank) and Hans Privin. A number of researchers are convinced that the Rothschilds participated in the financing of Nazism, they needed Hitler to implement the project to create a Jewish state in Palestine. The persecution of Jews in Europe forced them to seek a new homeland, and the Zionists (supporters of the unification and revival of the Jewish people in their historic homeland) helped organize the creation of settlements in the Palestinian territories. In addition, the problem of assimilation of Jews in Europe was solved, the persecution forced them to recall their origin, to unite, there was a mobilization of Jewish identity.
              http://vakomi.livejournal.com/1303630.html
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 23: 14 New
                -2
                Quote: TUMAN

                Here is the data on those who financed Hitler. Then, if you are interested, I will give an info about the cooperation between the SS and the Zionists, and then, I will list the Jewish military who served in the Wehrmacht and the SS.

                Yes, I already read this nonsense on different sites, but here's what’s interesting. Well, there’s not just one document subject to these fantasies. But you personally can believe in anything.
                1. Rustiger
                  Rustiger 7 May 2013 23: 49 New
                  +1
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  I have both grandfathers fought and not bad, and I can also

                  Which one is grandfather ?????
                  - "Azohen wei! Sarah, this is our missing Srul! Do you remember how he escaped from the kibbutz after eating matzo!"
                  roe

                  Röhm, Ernst Julius. 9 Hebrew) One of the leaders of the National Socialists and the head of the SA, an open pederast.
                  Ryom created huge hiding places, which later were enough to arm a third of the Wehrmacht created in 1935. (how familiar?)

                  Hitler and Remus at a party day in Nuremberg - a double grind.
                  by two

                  Ernst Rem and Himler. (url and two kosher)
                  threesome
              2. Rustiger
                Rustiger 7 May 2013 23: 44 New
                +1
                Quote: TUMAN
                I will give an info about the cooperation of the SS and the Zionists, and then, I will list the Jewish soldiers who served in the Wehrmacht and the SS.

                Be healthy, brother Oleg! "Holocaust" a little? And I’m looking for this Aronchik in all the branches, and he’s grimacing here. ... ...

                Quote: Aron Zaavi
                it is clearly indicated that after 1933 all Jews were fired in the Reichswehr. In 1940, all halves were dismissed from the Wehrmacht. Since 1942, they began to be massively arrested. And only quarters could count on leniency.


                Hans Michael Frank - Maternal Jew Poured Benya Netanyakuylike his "heroic" daddy!
                Father: Karl Frank - Austro-German
                Mother: Magdalena Buchmeier - Ethnic Jewess

                Reichsleiter 1934 - 1942
                Governor General of Poland October 26, 1939 - January 1945
                The destruction of Poles and Jews on Polish territory was led by Hans Michael Frank, he was Governor-General of Poland in 1939-1945.
                In Nazi Germany, Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels, Canaris, Hess, Milch, Eichmann were Jews (to varying degrees).
                The main source of funds for Hitler was Fritz Thyssen and his “Bank für Handel und Schiff”. His father Augustus Thyssen, mother Hedwig Pelzer. Wife-Amelia Thyssen (Jewess). Fritz Thyssen was a member of a group of industrialists, bankers, and landowners who in November 1932 sent a letter to the Reich President Hindenburg demanding that Hitler be appointed Chancellor.
                1. TUMAN
                  TUMAN 8 May 2013 01: 36 New
                  0
                  Quote: Rustiger
                  Hello, brother Oleg

                  Hi Vadim! Yes, there’s no life from these God-chosen ones, they carry their own false propaganda here, you have to poke a face in the little shit!
            3. Kaa
              Kaa 6 May 2013 23: 24 New
              +4
              Quote: Aron Zaavi
              Ukrainians gave the largest number of armed kolobarzionists who served Hitler.

              Collaborators were in France and throughout Europe. But Mishling in the Wehrmacht served 150000 people, and Ukrainian, more precisely, Galician volunteers - only 40000.Something is not clear. "The only units of Eastern volunteers who entered the Wehrmacht from the very beginning of the Russian campaign were two small Ukrainian battalions, created in the spring of 1941. The Nachtigall battalion was recruited from Ukrainians living in Poland; The Roland battalion was recruited from Ukrainian emigrants, Only at the very end of the war did the Ukrainian volunteers find a worthy leader in the person of Pavlo Shandruk, he received permission to form the Ukrainian National Army (UNA) in early 1945. Shandruk managed to form two divisions in April 1945. The 1st division was recruited from the remnants of the former 14th Grenadier Division of the SS troops, formed two years ago from Ukrainians living in Polish territories. The 2nd division was formed from separate units of the Wehrmacht, namely: the 281st Ukrainian reserve infantry regiment, two guard regiments and the Ukrainian anti-tank brigade. The total number of UNA reached 40 soldiers.http: //bookz.ru/authors/karlos-urado/inostran_018/page-4-inostran_018.htm
              lFor reference, the 14th division is the ever-memorable "Galicia"
              Analyzing the literature on the 14th SS Infantry Division “Galichina”, we find that among many authors, the most prominent place is occupied by the book of memoirs of the former chief of staff of this division V.-D.Gaike “Ukrainian Division“ Galichina ”. "History of the Formation and Combat of the 1943-1945 Rocks".Gäike notes that about 32000 combatants passed through the division, who survived after Brody and merged into the aforementioned unit http://www.ukrstor.com/ukrstor/bezprava-kniga1-2.3.html
              But with the Jews, half-Jews, how can they be considered halachic or not, the picture is different. "In the summer of 2002, 30-year-old Brian Mark Rigg published his final work -" Hitler's Jewish Soldiers: The Untold Story of Nazi Race Laws and People of Jewish Descent in the German army. "Brian is an evangelical Christian (like President Bush), from a working-class family of the Texas" Bible belt " Israel Defense Forces volunteer soldier and a US Marine officer, suddenly became interested in his past. Why did one of his ancestors serve in the Wehrmacht and the other perish at Auschwitz?Rigg's calculations and conclusions sound quite sensational: up to 150 thousand soldiers who had Jewish parents or grandparents fought in the German army on the fronts of World War II.
              The term "mishlinge" in the Reich called people born from mixed marriages of Aryans with non-Aryans. The racial laws of 1935 distinguished between "mishlinge" of the first degree (one of the parents is Jewish) and the second degree (grandmother or grandfather is Jewish). Despite the legal "spoilage" of people with Jewish genes and despite the loud propaganda, tens of thousands of "mishlinges" lived peacefully under the Nazis. They were usually recruited into the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine, becoming not only soldiers, but also part of the generals at the level of commanders of regiments, divisions and armies.
              Hundreds of "mishlinges" were awarded Iron Crosses for bravery. Twenty soldiers and officers of Jewish origin were awarded the highest military award of the Third Reich - the Knight's Cross
              .http: //tinklai.dkd.lt/humor/jews_III_raih.htm
              ETERNAL DOUBLE STANDARDS?
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 7 May 2013 00: 50 New
                -2
                Have you read the book? It clearly states that after 1933 all Jews in the Reichswehr were dismissed. In 1940, all halves were dismissed from the Wehrmacht. Since 1942, they began to be arrested en masse. And only quarters could count on indulgence. Including conscription. For your information, Jews or Jewish women who entered into marriage with registers in the late 19th and early 20th centuries were en masse baptized and thereby left Jewry. Many of them had grandchildren who did not even know about the Jewish origin of their roots. So you can't do anything here, well, Hitler did not have Jewish soldiers. The Kaiser had, the Emperor of Russia had, but Hitler did not. "Having missed the theory." The Nazis took it seriously.
              2. Rustiger
                Rustiger 8 May 2013 00: 19 New
                +1
                Quote: Kaa
                Twenty soldiers and officers of Jewish origin were awarded the highest military award of the Third Reich - the Knight's Cross.

                And such medals, presumably, were "awarded" ten times more.
                medal

                I wonder how many "medalists" wore them in their pockets after the war, when there were Soviet awards on their jackets and tunics, "received for deeds in the fight against fascism"?
        2. DPN
          DPN 6 May 2013 22: 41 New
          -1
          IN RUSSIA THERE ARE NO SUCH DECIDED PRESIDENTS TO PREVENT A PREVENTIVE SHOCK. OTHERWISE, THE USSR WOULD BE ALIVE AND NOW. ENOUGHLY WAS ****** OR WARNING SAUDI ARABIA.
        3. Geisenberg
          Geisenberg 6 May 2013 23: 48 New
          +1
          Quote: Aaron Zawi
          By the way, the military doctrine of the Russian Federation also contains a point on which the RA has the right to strike in foreign territory if there are formations threatening the security of Russia. Well, we take an example from the big ones.


          In preference, for such words they beat with a candelabrum. This item appeared in 2008 if the memory is not lying, and written off clean from the doctrine of the United States and Israel.

          So now you owe us "to get on the jug with a candlestick".
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 6 May 2013 21: 41 New
    +3
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    not afraid. EW.

    What a fuck! C-300 spat on your reb. It protects missiles (and the deployment of positions) for Amer Fu-16 and Fu-35. Well, your mugs will be raked when the time comes for He, don’t worry, that's enough for everyone. am
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 47 New
      -2
      Quote: GSH-18
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      not afraid. EW.

      What a fuck! C-300 spat on your reb. It protects missiles (and the deployment of positions) for Amer Fu-16 and Fu-35. Well, your mugs will be raked when the time comes for He, don’t worry, that's enough for everyone. am

      Very original point of view. Especially regarding Ф-35. But if Assad is waiting for them, then he will have to wait a couple more years. The first combat squadron of the F-35B should not appear before the end of the 2015 year.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 6 May 2013 22: 29 New
        +1
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        The first F-35V combat squadron should appear no earlier than the end of 2015.

        I was not the first combat squadron (barely turned my tongue) F-35 had in mind. And single instances undergoing a secret run-in in combat conditions under the cover of F-16.
  • Hudo
    Hudo 6 May 2013 18: 58 New
    +6
    Quote: MY THOUGHT
    I DO NOT UNDERSTAND OUR GUYS SELLED ASADA WITH 300, WHY ISRAELI AIRPLANES FLY OVER THE HOUSE, WITH 300 IS NOT SO AWESOME? TANED GUYS ARE NOT ABLE TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE THEM? ASAD IS AFRAID TO BEHIND ISRAELI AIRCRAFT ?,,, I am very interested

    The phrase ".. without entering Syrian airspace they fired rockets ..", do you really understand?
    1. Melchakov
      Melchakov 6 May 2013 19: 39 New
      +8
      Quote: Hudo
      without entering the airspace of Syria

      That is, if they attack, but not in your airspace, then you cannot attack? Great! I propose, without entering Israeli airspace, to fire grenades at Ramat David from the Pike.
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 19: 45 New
        11
        Quote: Melchakov
        Quote: Hudo
        without entering the airspace of Syria

        That is, if they attack, but not in your airspace, then you cannot attack? Great! I propose, without entering Israeli airspace, to fire grenades at Ramat David from the Pike.


        Your proposal to bombard Ramat David is only worthy of support and approval.
        1. vdenisov56
          vdenisov56 6 May 2013 21: 35 New
          +3
          I fully support!
    2. Rioter
      Rioter 6 May 2013 20: 34 New
      -6
      Bastards! We make such good weapons! The best air defense systems! But these vile reptiles bombed everything with impunity again, because the vile and not so noble shot from around the corner, from behind the mountains, used the wrong missiles, refused to enter the affected area, and in general did everything differently from what the systems were designed for. The S-300 is the best complex in the world that will destroy any enemy who rushes on a raptor to a steep peak on the radar. But the scoundrels know about this and instead of an honest equestrian attack with a saber on the head, ...

      Quote: Hudo
      Do you really understand?


      Unclear. The task of air defense is to ensure the safety of objects from attacks from the air. Let the Syrians try to attack Israel without entering the airspace. I want to see if Israeli generals will have to make excuses later
      Quote: Hudo
      without entering the airspace of Syria fired rockets
      or they will do something different.
      And this phrase of Putin about the Carapaces: "No matter what it would be like for some to fly over the presidential palace." And the scoundrels not only fly, they are already plowing the garden in the backyard with bombs.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 May 2013 20: 40 New
        +3
        Quote: Rioter
        The task of air defense is to ensure the safety of objects from attacks from the air.

        You simply do not know what air defense is. As, however, and Assad. This is a system. And he could not build this system. Or didn’t want to.

        By the way, about the S-300: where did the wood come from? Assad has an old, albeit long-range S-200. Discontinued almost everywhere. Stationary True, because of the antiquity of the Syrian radars, they are practically not applicable. The Israelis are clogging them at times.
        1. Rioter
          Rioter 6 May 2013 20: 53 New
          -4
          Yes, there are no firewood. An air defense system is not S-300, 500, or 100500, but a whole range of measures and means that includes blah blah ... I know all this. S-300 in Syria is not likely. Although there are armor. But even if the S-500 were melted there with a stockade, without the air defense component, one hell would not have been saved. Just cheers-optimistic comrades sometimes amuse with their cries. When the shells shipped yelling, they say, well, let now f * cds, Saxons, green people only snoop! Everyone will wash themselves with something warm there. Once again poked around. didn’t wash anything, damn everything they wanted to bomb. But spiritualized comrades immediately otmazy who will not accept a manger. And all the talk, they say, if NATO sticks out there will be losses wow - just noise. And NATO is not necessary, they will click on Israel to plow everything there, and without any kind of Israel Israel will plow everything there. And Israel is not at all afraid of the monstrous losses, nature, the empire of Darth Vader is still stopping, but apparently kerosene is sorry for Assad and the whole reason.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 09 New
            0
            Quote: Rioter
            When the armor shipped the scream it was supposedly well now let the f * cds, Saxons, green people only snoop, everyone will wash themselves with something warm there.

            They were shipped a long time ago, in 2011, the supply contract was fully implemented. So no one could scream.
            1. Rioter
              Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 16 New
              -4
              And what is the contradiction? Until 2011, did everyone have their mouths sealed? Putin weaved about the palace already in 2005
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 21 New
                +4
                Until 2011, Assad was a very kind partner for the Saxons, they licked him for the sake of a gas pipe from Qatar.
                Strange, and how was it not disgusting for them to cuddle before this butcher and tyrant?

                Everything in your head just got mixed up. Yes, they shouted that they would wash their face warm. But not about the Pantsir, but about the anti-ship missile systems.
                1. Rioter
                  Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 31 New
                  -2
                  In the garden of elderberry and uncle in Kiev. Lopatov, what's wrong with you? Usually you are on business, and here ... where does the pipe come from Qatar and the flight of a group of Israeli aircraft over Assad’s palace in 2004 (or 2003? Need to clarify the date of the incident).
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 37 New
                    +2
                    Do you remember these antiquities? Or are you recording?
                    Honestly, I forgot about it. About the destroyed reactor, I remember. I also remember about the commissions from Russia, Belarus and Iran that came there after the incident.
                    Well, the flight is nonsense.
                    1. Rioter
                      Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 53 New
                      0
                      Well, in general I have a good memory :) In general, there is nothing to discuss in court. The article is hemp nonsense.
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 6 May 2013 22: 05 New
            +3
            Quote: Rioter
            but apparently kerosene is sorry for Assad and the whole reason.

            Dear, it seems to me that you are in a great hurry to rush things, and are doing bawking, sorry. If the "shells" are in Syria, then they are clearly not alone there, but with military instructors included. You can be sure: one missile, one enemy plane! Let the Jews cross themselves so that these winged cars did not arrive this time for a close acquaintance with them. Israel will not have a second such time.
            1. Rioter
              Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 11 New
              -3
              You promise? Well then, let's wait.
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 31 New
              0
              Quote: GSH-18
              Let the Jews cross themselves that these winged cars didn’t arrive this time for a close acquaintance with them.

              Dear, read the performance characteristics of the "Pantsir". He is as "terrible" to Israeli planes as a fly swatter crane.
              I understand that pride in a domestic weapon is right, but don’t have to hang something on it that it’s not intended to be by default.
              1. Aaron Zawi
                Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 22: 46 New
                0
                Quote: Spade
                Quote: GSH-18
                Let the Jews cross themselves that these winged cars didn’t arrive this time for a close acquaintance with them.

                Dear, read the performance characteristics of the "Pantsir". He is as "terrible" to Israeli planes as a fly swatter crane.
                I understand that pride in a domestic weapon is right, but don’t have to hang something on it that it’s not intended to be by default.

                You are not right . On the military-historical Hebrew-speaking site fresh, they took information about the supply of new air defense systems of Syria very seriously. Especially Israel is straining the possibility of supplying these systems from Syria to Hezbollah.
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 54 New
                  0
                  Quote: Aron Zaavi
                  On the military-historical Hebrew-speaking website, fresh took very seriously information on the supply of new air defense systems in Syria

                  Also, probably, they did not read the performance characteristics.

                  "Armor" is absolutely a niche car. A screw in the air defense system. Well performing his specific tasks that are entrusted to him.

                  In your case, a big problem for helicopters and for airplanes that directly support troops with cheap ammunition like free-falling bombs.
                  1. Volkhov
                    Volkhov 7 May 2013 04: 38 New
                    -1
                    Soviet / Russian air defense cannot, in principle, act against Israel and the United States, if only a random anti-aircraft shell - the management of factories in the Russian Federation is not very different from Israel and at the right time the air defense does not work.
                    Only Iranian, DPRK weapons can try to fight, the rest of the owners do not bite.
              2. GSH-18
                GSH-18 6 May 2013 22: 50 New
                +2
                I read: Quote: "Pantsir-C1 (GRAU index - 96K6, according to NATO codification - SA-22 Greyhound Designed for close cover of civil and military objects (including long-range air defense systems) from all modern and promising air attack weapons. to protect the defended object from ground and surface threats. "
                In your opinion, the Israeli planes are magical, and therefore cannot be shot down by the "Pantsir" ?? laughing
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 59 New
                  +1
                  Quote: GSH-18
                  In your opinion, the Israeli planes are magical, and therefore cannot be shot down by the "Pantsir" ??

                  No. It’s just that Israeli planes do not come close to their zone of destruction.
                  1. GSH-18
                    GSH-18 6 May 2013 23: 26 New
                    +2
                    Quote: Spade
                    No. It’s just that Israeli planes do not come close to their zone of destruction.

                    Characteristics "Carapace"
                    Range to target: 1,2 km - 20 km
                    Target altitude: 5 m - 15 km

                    Yes, if the attacking plane is at an altitude of over 15 km, or at a distance of 20 km, the "Shell" is not afraid of him. But rockets fired from this plane will hardly be able to hit the target. And the effectiveness of shooting or bombing from such a distance is in doubt. Conclusion: the complex has not yet been used for its intended purpose. Why is another question. Here, obviously, not everything is so simple and unambiguous. One thing is certain - if Israel continues to raid, it will no doubt run into anti-aircraft missiles.
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 6 May 2013 23: 32 New
                      +1
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      Yes, if the attacking plane is at an altitude of over 15 km, or at a distance of 20 km, "Shell" is not afraid of him

                      It will be much further.

                      Quote: GSH-18
                      But the missiles fired from this plane will vryat hit the target.

                      It will work out. ZhPS works wonders.

                      The Israelis strike only at large targets, they will not provide direct support to terrorists by default. So the "Pantsir" is definitely not a threat to the Jews.
                    2. GSH-18
                      GSH-18 7 May 2013 00: 39 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Spade
                      It will work out. ZhPS works wonders.

                      ZhoPS works wonders only in the toilet. You are an adult, but you believe in miracles. Give at least one real example of these "miracles" during the combat work of "Pantsir-s" ??? You can not? Then do not fool people into their heads. And I'll tell you, Pantsir will easily send the vaunted Israeli planes to their own ZhoPS! Mark my word. hi
                    3. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 7 May 2013 00: 53 New
                      0
                      Quote: GSH-18
                      You are an adult, but you believe in miracles. Give at least one real example of these "miracles" during the combat work of "Pantsir-s" ??? You can not?

                      How did you decide? In September 2007, Israel looted a reactor under construction in Syria. Without losing a single aircraft. The object, due to its special importance, was covered with brand new "Shells". The Russian commission was trying to figure it out.
                      Here are the facts for you.
                      The reactor is destroyed, which means the accuracy of the Jewish missiles is at the level. The planes are intact, which means they did not enter the "Shell" zone

                      What else do you need?
  • Melchakov
    Melchakov 6 May 2013 20: 41 New
    +2
    Quote: Rioter
    The task of air defense is to ensure the safety of objects from air attacks

    Yeah. Great excuse for invading Syria. Syrian rockets explode over Israel, and that’s it. The occasion is provided.
    Quote: Rioter
    And scoundrels not only fly

    And you can facts.
    1. Rioter
      Rioter 6 May 2013 21: 02 New
      -5
      Quote: Melchakov
      Syrian rockets explode over Israel
      - Over Lebanon, they would explode. And no reason.


      Quote: Melchakov
      And you can facts.
      - What are the facts? Not every month they fly and bomb just like on planned exercises, they bomb what they want. And you expect them to be fours of lilies and bells, how will they twist on an air show? So I didn’t know that we were producing systems not for war, but in order to bring down blast from the skies during air parades. And the Shell proved itself of course. Well, the plane, but didn’t bring down the missiles launched from them? Missile-cannon wonder-yudo.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 May 2013 21: 12 New
        +1
        Quote: Rioter
        Well, the plane, but didn’t bring down the missiles launched from them? Missile-cannon wonder-yudo.

        But he cannot do this without an air defense control system.
        1. Rioter
          Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 02 New
          -2
          How? but it’s advertised that this miracle does everything by himself. It detects itself, captures itself, intercepts itself, and this is a completely autonomous unit, which even in single pieces can ensure the safety of the column on the march. Of course, I did not believe in this before, but now you have completely lowered me from heaven to earth.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 06 New
            0
            For you the news is that the wunderwaffe, like the perpetual motion machine, is a mythical thing?
            1. Rioter
              Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 29 New
              -3
              Shovels, give me back my pink glasses!
              1. ultra
                ultra 6 May 2013 23: 26 New
                +3
                Quote: Rioter
                Shovels, give me back my pink glasses!

                They won’t help! You have a clinical case!
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 6 May 2013 23: 06 New
            +1
            Quote: Rioter
            How? but it’s advertised that this miracle does everything by himself. It detects itself, captures itself, intercepts itself, and this is a completely autonomous unit, which even in single pieces can ensure the safety of the column on the march. Of course, I did not believe in this before, but now you have completely lowered me from heaven to earth.

            Yes, "Pantsir" has never fired in Syria! What do you hate here in advance? Lacks the patience to wait for his combat use ?? Or just want to replenish ram without capillation ??! am
          3. Misantrop
            Misantrop 6 May 2013 23: 09 New
            +2
            Quote: Rioter
            advertised that this is a miracle yudo does everything himself
            Not all. This thing doesn’t decide on the use of weapons. request lol
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 6 May 2013 23: 35 New
              0
              Quote: Misantrop
              Not all. This thing doesn’t decide on the use of weapons.

              It's a pity! lol
      2. MY THOUGHT
        MY THOUGHT 6 May 2013 21: 55 New
        -1
        [quote = Rioter] Not every month they fly and bomb just like on planned exercises, they bomb what they want. And you expect them to be fours of lilies and bells, [/ quo BEAUTIFULLY SAID))))) ON THE AIR FORUMS ALSO SAY: TO KNOW THE BOVY OBJECTIVE IN THE CONDITIONS OF THE OPPOSITION DO NOT JUST LEARNED A LEARNED CASE TO DO IT! !!
        1. Rioter
          Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 34 New
          -3
          And you also need to have steel testicles. the Arabs sometimes didn’t stand up during Israeli air raids, and ticked to the rescue who could. for it is obvious that air defense calculations are the first target for a strike.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 44 New
            +1
            Do the Vietnamese have steel? In general, half-deathrs at that time were
      3. Know-nothing
        Know-nothing 6 May 2013 22: 49 New
        -4
        In recent firing at the Ashaluk range, the Shells had 0 (zero) targets hit.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 May 2013 23: 00 New
          +1
          Foul calculations prepare.
          1. Know-nothing
            Know-nothing 7 May 2013 08: 40 New
            0
            It should be added that they shot at "Pischali". The "Pantsir" is not intended against such targets, which has been confirmed both at the test site and, possibly, in combat conditions.
  • Hudo
    Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 09 New
    +3
    Quote: Rioter
    And this phrase of Putin about the Carapaces: "No matter what it would be like for some to fly over the presidential palace." And the scoundrels not only fly, they are already plowing the garden in the backyard with bombs.

    According to Western media reports, Syria purchased 36 Shell-S1 air defense systems from Russia.
    More details: http://www.vpk-news.ru/news/14477 How many of them were delivered and how they are placed is not known exactly. It is unlikely that 36 "Carapaces" are able to provide cover for all objects.
    1. Rioter
      Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 17 New
      -4
      bombarded the international airport! Where if not there to be? And before that, the complex is in close proximity to the palace!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 6 May 2013 22: 41 New
        +1
        Quote: Rioter
        bombarded the international airport! Where if not there to be? And before that, the complex is in close proximity to the palace!

        The crew on the armor was sunbathing, and their commander at the mistress drank tea. For Arabs, this is quite normal. Read about how the Jews from the Egyptians borrowed the latest radar in those days directly from the position.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 9 May 2013 07: 51 New
          0
          Quote: Spade
          The crew on the armor was sunbathing, and their commander at the mistress drank tea. For Arabs, this is quite normal. Read about how the Jews from the Egyptians borrowed the latest radar in those days directly from the position

          Yes, it was the finish !!!)))
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 6 May 2013 22: 23 New
      +3
      Quote: Hudo
      It is unlikely that 36 "Carapaces" are able to provide cover for all objects.

      This is a no brainer. The Jews there clearly are spies. And their planes fly where at this moment there are no shells. That's the whole trick. And there is nothing to blame for a good pompous complex. He will show himself.
      1. Rioter
        Rioter 6 May 2013 22: 26 New
        -3
        Will show of course. At the parade.
      2. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 22: 29 New
        +2
        Quote: GSH-18
        This is a no brainer. The Jews there clearly are spies. And their planes fly where at this moment there are no shells



        And then! For Israeli equipment and loot zaprnantsy and hirelings try.
  • Scoun
    Scoun 6 May 2013 19: 35 New
    +2
    Quote: MY THOUGHT
    OUR GUYS SELLED ASADA WITH 300

    when did you do it?
    little to sell, still need to train
    it’s not enough to train, you still need to make the right decision.
    I think there is no S-300 there or they are holding it up its sleeve.
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    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 May 2013 20: 43 New
      0
      This is the Israeli media launched a desu. When Russia was going to sell complexes to Iran.
      Say, "Syria has S-300s, and we bent them during an attack on a nuclear center, so there is nothing to fear"
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    3. vdenisov56
      vdenisov56 6 May 2013 21: 44 New
      +3
      In the 80s I happened to encounter Arabs-cadets at the training ground. So the Syrians were the most advanced of them. True, the range was artillery ...
  • CTEPX
    CTEPX 7 May 2013 06: 21 New
    +1
    Quote: MY THOUGHT
    OUR GUYS SELLED ASADA WITH 300

    Quote: MY THOUGHT
    ASAD AFRAID TO BROKE THE ISRAELI AIRCRAFT? ,,,,

    Firstly, not the fact that Syria has an S-300)).
    And secondly, with such a terrain, so that Damascus can be reliably protected from air attacks through the Bekaa Valley (Lebanon), it is necessary to have Syrian radars and air defense systems in Lebanon.
  • djon3volta
    djon3volta 6 May 2013 18: 59 New
    16
    Shiites, Sunites, Alafites ... answer me a simple question - was Gaddafi 42 years old good and then suddenly became bad? Assad (his father before him) was good for more than 10 years, sweat has become abruptly bad? Mabarak was 20 years old good, then he became bad? .. Putin was good for more than 10 years, but how did you go for the third term? SHARP became bad? listen, it doesn’t happen! to make a person bad in your eyes, you need someone to tell you about it said if you hadn’t seen this before or if you were happy with everything.
    all these regime changes through prickly revolutions, because they do not occur out of the blue, well, you know it very well, and why are you doing it? Well, do you understand that you are being manipulated and who is doing it, or do not understand? laughing
    1. SEM
      SEM 6 May 2013 19: 14 New
      +5
      HERE IT IS CLEAR WE ALL FOR THE USA "NON-PEOPLE" is an exact copy of Fascism, well, we all know how it ended, but how the big question will turn now ...
      1. djon3volta
        djon3volta 6 May 2013 19: 27 New
        +4
        Quote: SEM
        WE ARE ALL FOR THE USA "NON-PEOPLE" is an exact copy of Fascism

        Yesterday they showed it on TV, it turns out that in the USA in 1939 processions with fascist flags were often held along the central streets of large cities, exactly the same as in Germany under Hitler. But they are silent about this topic. There was a Nazi party. G. Ford The 20th century already began the propaganda of fascism, he published a newspaper and often published articles there. It is silent in the USA. It turns out that fascism from America has come!
        1. Corsair5912
          Corsair5912 6 May 2013 20: 18 New
          +4
          Fascism is the highest and final form of imperialist capitalism.
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2013 23: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: djon3volta
          Fascism from America is coming!

          He did not come. His democrats came to Germany.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 6 May 2013 21: 36 New
      0
      Quote: djon3volta
      .Putin has been good for over 10 years, but how did you go for the third term?

      In your opinion, the West applauded Putin for the Munich speech and dyuli-2008 to Georgians, and for the WTO, "not the base" in Ulyanovsk and 18% of the British in Rosneft obstructed? You shitty propagandist.
  • SEM
    SEM 6 May 2013 19: 07 New
    +2
    What is happening now is the result of all the policies of the United States, Israel and all of Europe and none of the European countries opposes, none of the countries of the world sends troops to help Syria and Iran, but there are also China and India and Russia who finally can cruelly object to what is being done the aggressors of the United States and Israel, such an ostrich policy at the end will lead to lawlessness and this is the policy of the defeatists towards aggression against these countries themselves. Aggressors do not do with their own hands but with the hands of militants, radicals, what they want and where they want horror.
    1. TUMAN
      TUMAN 6 May 2013 20: 00 New
      +4
      Quote: SEM
      such an ostrich policy at the end will lead to aggression against these countries themselves, this is a policy of defeatists. Aggressors do not do with their own hands but with the hands of militants, radicals, what they want and where they want horror.

      All this reminds me of the World, before the Second World War. One is unbridled, and all suffer and are silent.
      1. Kaa
        Kaa 6 May 2013 21: 20 New
        +5
        Quote: TUMAN
        One is rampant, and all suffer and are silent
        No, well, some bother Israeli impudence bosses and during their visits to other countries: "Russian President Vladimir Putin called on Monday Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu after he arrived in China on an official visit. They discussed the Israeli operation against Syria. At the same time, Foreign Minister Russian Sergei Lavrov spoke with Syrian Foreign Minister Walid Muallem. Neither side disclosed the content of their conversations. Http://www.debka.com/newsupdatepopup/4332/
        The Jew went to China to make an honest gesheft (apparently to make sure that he wouldn’t get anything for fulyuganism), grabbed 30 shekels, and then the call, as in an old tale, is threatened with a finger: "DUE !!!" But seriously, the only country that keeps Syria from a just desire to bang missiles, perhaps with sarin, is "undemocratic" Russia, all the rest verbiageengaged in verbiage ... negative
        1. Aaron Zawi
          Aaron Zawi 6 May 2013 21: 38 New
          -4
          Quote: Kaa
          seriously, the only country that keeps Syria from a just desire to bang missiles, perhaps with sarin, is "undemocratic" Russia, all the rest verbiageengaged in verbiage ... negative
          Well, I think you're wrong. The main thing that prevented Syria’s response is that when it struck Hezbollah’s warehouses in the suburbs of Damascus, not a single tank, plane, or soldier from the Syrian army was destroyed. Well, the idea that when the conflict escalates, the Israeli Air Force will send into battle not 10 aircraft, as it was during a night attack, but 300-400 vehicles. And then, not the interests of Iran, but the combat capabilities of the Syrian army will suffer a little. Does Assad need it? Lose an army in exchange for a few hundred or even a thousand killed Israelis?
        2. TUMAN
          TUMAN 6 May 2013 22: 08 New
          +3
          Quote: Kaa
          everyone else is engaged in verbiage verbiage ..

          It seems that events are developing very quickly, The world is on the verge of a large hedgehog. I hope the freaks who unleashed this war will get to the maximum.
        3. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 May 2013 23: 54 New
          0
          Quote: Kaa
          But seriously - the only country that keeps Syria from a just desire to bang missiles, perhaps with sarin, is "undemocratic" Russia, all the rest are engaged in verbiage ...

          I completely agree with you and support this point of view.
          However, infinitely restraining from fair retaliation will not work. This is very much expected and provoked from the State Department sad waiting for free hands. What will Assad answer? And we, in fact? belay
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  • smile
    smile 6 May 2013 19: 12 New
    +6
    What kind of statement is this: "When Joseph Stalin invaded Europe ...", "The collapse of the Union gave the Eastern Europeans the opportunity to be who they were ..." Who? WHO were you? Slaves of stronger states, which were ripped off in favor of the masters? Is it instead of an equal position, when they were not only developed, protected from the usual arbitrariness of the great powers, but also invested funds and resources in them? The author is a radish, a bad person ...
    1. Rioter
      Rioter 6 May 2013 20: 44 New
      -3
      I remember the Czechs in this slavery in 68 tried to break through. But we returned them to freedom with tanks. But in the nineties, they still put heavy shackles on themselves and for twenty years they were exhausted from slavery, but they did not want to be free. About one thought that the Russians will come and again drive them with happiness with an iron hand, that is, their hair will stand on end and begin to reduce one place. laughing
      1. Hudo
        Hudo 6 May 2013 21: 21 New
        +2
        Quote: Rioter
        their hair stands on end and begins to reduce one place.


        This is correct, let it be reduced, so as not to overzealous.
      2. Suhov
        Suhov 6 May 2013 23: 24 New
        +3
        Quote: Rioter
        I remember the Czechs in this slavery in 68 tried to break through. But we returned them to freedom with tanks.

        Two Czechs in Prague watching a news release. Report from Iraq, mountains of corpses ...
        - Listen, pan, how strong we are lucky!
        - In what? What have we joined NATO and the European Union?
        - No. Therein, that in 1968 the USSR was not yet a "democratic state".
        laughing

        It turns out:
        USSR in due time, and today - Russia behave more decently
        than NATO or the European Union.
      3. Sergio
        Sergio 7 May 2013 00: 05 New
        -4
        I know a lot of our compatriots who left for the Czech Republic, into slavery. And I don’t know a single Czech who broke free. For example, in the DPRK. )))))))
        1. Suhov
          Suhov 7 May 2013 07: 47 New
          +1
          Quote: Sergio
          And I don’t know a single Czech who broke free. For example, in the DPRK. )))))))

          In the DPRK "with freedom" you will not be allowed to "break in"))))))
          yes
  • waisson
    waisson 6 May 2013 19: 28 New
    +2
    without words my thoughts were expressed by comrades CHE and SERGEY 32 hi
  • vadson
    vadson 6 May 2013 19: 43 New
    +4
    amers milk the world, it turns out it is getting worse and worse, people are becoming smarter, the Internet has taken not the last place in this business. local politicians become uncomfortable with the opinion of the people on the type: this corrupt trash must be taken by the legs and fuck .. a bit about the corner. therefore, those in power have to go to meet their people, brainwash. a change in puppet regimes and not only puppet regimes is a policy of squeezing China out of Africa, Gazprom from Europe. thereby again lower us to the level of forgive him Lord Mozambique and China to the level of a free slave of power.
    and again on the old record beads in exchange for gold
  • UFO
    UFO 6 May 2013 19: 46 New
    +7
    The most interesting thing is that England, France, Israel are pounded ... !!! Time passes, the crisis continues, and Assad thwarts all plans! It's time to move on to the "Iranian problem", but they haven't finished with Syria yet, so damn it, Iran will create nuclear weapons (and there are already carriers)! It’s not good, so Israel can get kaput. What to do? We need to accelerate the "revolution" in Syria. hi
    1. djon3volta
      djon3volta 6 May 2013 20: 42 New
      +4
      Quote: UFO
      Iran and nuclear weapons will create (and carriers already exist)

      The need for further evidence arose after the then Prosecutor General of Ukraine Svyatoslav Piskun admitted in a March 2005 interview with the British Financial Times that his country sold 12 X-55 cruise missiles to Iran and another 6 to China.

      Upon completion of the withdrawal of ICBM warheads from Ukraine, the state news agency Ukrinform officially announced (later this information was removed from the agency’s tape, but was stored in secondary sources) only 1271 warheads were withdrawn. The divergence into a single warhead is of particular interest, given that it is not just a nuclear weapon, but a 550 kiloton nuclear weapon (for comparison - a nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima had a capacity of only 12 kilotons).

      The adventures of subsonic cruise missiles in Square http://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2011-12-23/12_rockets.html
  • Corsair5912
    Corsair5912 6 May 2013 20: 16 New
    +6
    Not an article, but a bunch of moronic lies.
    Neither the Euros nor pindosov are interested in the problems of Syria, they are interested in this territory, on which it is convenient to place military bases for attacking Russia and Iran, and for control over the oil and gas fields of the Caspian and Central Asia.
    There is no civil war in Syria, there is a war of USA mercenaries against a legitimate government, as was the case in Afghanistan, Yugoslavia, Libya.
    In Iraq, the number with the organization of the fifth column did not pass, the pindos had to substitute their asses because of this "vile regime of Saddam Hussein."
  • Tony tomahawk
    Tony tomahawk 6 May 2013 20: 16 New
    +4
    The US and Europe do not have the necessary power to end the bloodshed in Syria

    So they, in fact, do not need this, even vice versa.
  • Suhov
    Suhov 6 May 2013 20: 38 New
    +4
    Concerning Americans, Europeans and Israelisthen they, for the most part, took a position of non-intervention.

    Turkey forgot to mention with the plane.
    wassat
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  • dominion
    dominion 6 May 2013 21: 58 New
    +5
    Israel is a terrorist nest that needs to be stripped, and then USA.
  • mazdie
    mazdie 6 May 2013 22: 34 New
    +2
    It's just tin ...
  • DPN
    DPN 6 May 2013 22: 46 New
    0
    WHERE THERE ARE NO DISASTER IN THE AMERICA TERRITORY, THE STATES MAY DARE TO PUT ANY EXPERIMENTS AT ANYWHERE OF THE WORLD. EVERYTHING IS EQUAL IN THE Muzzle. NO ONE WILL GIVE THEM TO THEM.
  • MG42
    MG42 7 May 2013 02: 09 New
    +2
    When communism in Eastern Europe fell, everyone was ecstatic. And what could not like there ?! The evil empire collapsed - an occasion for the joy of right-wing forces. The left fought in ecstasy over the restored human rights. But let's not forget that before Eastern Europe was captured by Joseph Stalin in 1945, it was under the yoke of Adolf Hitler. Eastern Europeans mostly hated both. The collapse of the Soviet Union gave them the opportunity to be who they were by nature.

    You can immediately feel that it was printed in the USA, what pathos .. >>> Straftor CIA negative At the height of the Cold War, an actor of average rank and the same President R. Reagan dubbed the USSR the "Evil Empire". When the Union is reborn like a Phoenix from the ashes, they >>> then they will eat these cheap scribbles instead of breakfast. As a result, we have the dominance of tolerasts in Europe, that's what they wanted to be and that is what they have become.
    The civil war in Syria - one of the longest-lasting consequences of the Arab Spring - has been in full swing for over two years.

    As for the "Arab spring" well, and what have they achieved great successes by overthrowing, for example, the Mubarak regime in Egypt >>> now amers' flags are being burned there, and the American ambassador is being killed in Libya, is there an Arab bummer in Syria? not spring ..