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The head of the SSA wanted to discuss with Moscow the end of the war in Syria

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The commander of the Syrian Free Army, Salim Idris, said he was ready “right now” to meet with Russian officials to discuss ways to end the armed conflict in his country.


The head of the SSA wanted to discuss with Moscow the end of the war in Syria


“If they have any interests, then we will discuss the future role of Russia (in Syria). We will be very positive, ”he said in a published interview with The Washington Post.

As the newspaper notes, “the willingness to work with Russia” and the fairly moderate views of Idris explain, in particular, why he managed to gain support from the administration of Barack Obama.

The United States makes it the main stake among the leaders of the Syrian opposition and recently began direct deliveries of military equipment and humanitarian aid to the Syrian free army he heads.

This week, Idris sent a letter to the White House with a request to expand support for the Syrian rebels who are fighting with President Bashar Assad, and the United States has assured them that they will step up these efforts. At the same time, Washington continues to refrain from supplying combat weapons systems to the rebels, although it does not exclude that it may reconsider its approach to this problem.

In an interview with the publication, Idris also said that he gave orders to his units to distance themselves from the Dzhebhat al-Nusra (Front of Victory) group, linked to the Al-Qaida terrorist network.

“We do not work with An-Nusra, we have nothing to do with them,” said Idris, who had the rank of general in the Syrian government forces and switched to the rebels last year.

According to the American newspaper, “the most difficult thing for him will be to establish control over the Islamist militants, who have been the backbone of the Syrian Free Army for almost two years,” ITAR-TASS reports.

On the eve of the White House spokesman Jay Carney said that the US authorities will increase support for the Syrian opposition, but have not planned to supply it with weapons.

He said these words, commenting on the publication in The Washington Post that President Barack Obama is preparing to order supplies weapons Syrian rebels.

The US authorities have previously made it clear that they can use military force in response to the use of chemical weapons by the Syrian authorities.

Last Tuesday, the media issued a statement by the Syrian authorities, who accused opposition militants of using chemical weapons against civilians in the city of Sarakeb in the province of Idlib in the north-west of the country, in order to later blame the government forces.

The Syrian government has announced that on March 19, the opposition used chemical weapons in the province of Aleppo. The opposition, in turn, claims that government forces used it in Homs in December.

However, the UN asks the Syrian authorities to allow an investigation into the possible use of chemical weapons. Damascus is asking to join the investigation of Russian representatives.
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  1. FC SKIF
    FC SKIF 4 May 2013 06: 23 New
    29
    If this figure really wants to blame for his country, then let him shoot himself
    1. Alexander Petrovich
      Alexander Petrovich 4 May 2013 07: 26 New
      16
      They feel that they will lose, otherwise they would not have declared their readiness for negotiations.
      1. Canep
        Canep 4 May 2013 08: 46 New
        15
        Yes, he is a representative of one of several groups. He cannot negotiate on behalf of all the rebels.
        1. APASUS
          APASUS 4 May 2013 09: 13 New
          11
          Quote: Canep
          Yes, he is a representative of one of several groups. He cannot negotiate on behalf of all the rebels.

          And what is the point for us to negotiate?
          Only if about the surrender of weapons!
          1. Retx
            Retx 4 May 2013 10: 31 New
            +4
            Yes, so that later Fradkov’s department wouldn’t plop it, obviously. Or, unlikely, conscience woke up.
          2. wax
            wax 4 May 2013 19: 12 New
            +3
            He is a defector, i.e. traitor, Judas. Afraid of his life.
        2. patline
          patline 4 May 2013 09: 16 New
          17
          Now, this Idris the traitor needs to clean up Syria from terrorists in cooperation with government forces, and then go to the polls and try to defeat Assad, which I doubt very much.
          This will slightly resemble the Chechen scenario, when Kadyrov Sr. stopped supporting the militants.
          1. Russian
            Russian 4 May 2013 10: 12 New
            +7
            Something I hardly believe in it! If he has betrayed him once already, he should not be trusted, apparently they bought him with giblets.
            And to negotiate with terrorists means to admit your weakness, I think you can only speak with them if in the language of weapons!
            Good luck, patience and courage to the Syrian government forces and the peaceful people!
          2. Canep
            Canep 4 May 2013 10: 52 New
            +5
            In Syria, many Chechen parallels can be drawn.
            1. Phantom Revolution
              4 May 2013 11: 03 New
              +7
              Quote: Canep
              In Syria, many Chechen parallels can be drawn.

              The sponsors are the same. The handwriting is the same.
              1. Canep
                Canep 4 May 2013 12: 53 New
                0
                And the response of the authorities is the same, and the tactics of military operations are the same.
        3. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 4 May 2013 12: 07 New
          +6
          First of all, he is a TRAITOR FROM YOUR PEOPLE and a CHANGE OF THE MOTHERLAND, he has no weight, he is just another mummer, al-Qaeda and nusra by the baroban, which you can talk to him about, you need to bring them up with a vengeance. Assad must be helped, with weapons, money, military experts.
      2. vanya
        vanya 4 May 2013 11: 50 New
        +1
        He wants to discuss the conditions, what interests of Russia in Syria will remain if Russia surrenders Assad
        1. RUSSIA 2013
          RUSSIA 2013 4 May 2013 12: 14 New
          +4
          Quote: vanya
          He wants to discuss the conditions, what interests of Russia in Syria will remain if Russia surrenders Assad

          If we surrender Assad, our navy base will be immediately covered, Christians will be simply slaughtered, the genocide of the Syrian people will begin. That’s the complete support of Assad, we are the only Syrians counting on Cavo, so we don’t see our allies, brothers.
      3. skeptic
        skeptic 4 May 2013 13: 07 New
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Petrovich
        They feel that they will lose, otherwise they would not have declared their readiness for negotiations.


        Sorry, but this is more like an attempt at "ideological distribution". Any negotiations with them is a stab in the back of Assad. Judas Syrian, with his proposal, is trying to say that after the fall of the legitimate, Syrian leadership, Russia can keep its business if it refuses to support Assad.

        I hope that Putin will not do this. Preserving the former Syria is Russia's authority in the Middle East. This is a less tense situation on the southern borders of the Russian Federation itself.
    2. Vashestambid
      Vashestambid 4 May 2013 13: 20 New
      -4
      Quote: FC Skif
      If this figure really wants to blame for his country, then let him shoot himself

      Why is that? The guy wants the Russians to support him and to drive out Assad, otherwise he sat down at home !! This is the only way to end the war, not decisiveness and indifference of Russia is not peculiar as a great power and a permanent member of the UN !! smile
    3. Phantom Revolution
      4 May 2013 13: 43 New
      -1

      You said correctly.
      1. bogdan
        bogdan 4 May 2013 16: 36 New
        +2
        With terrorists, you can negotiate only to throw in disinformation, and use the situation for their further complete destruction.
    4. avt
      avt 4 May 2013 16: 47 New
      +3
      Quote: FC Skif
      If this figure really wants to blame for his country, then let him shoot himself

      Yes, he put on his country and its good. Like all rats, he prefers to shoot others. But the rat-frog sensed the stranglehold on his hike and began to rattle a rat. This is good, it pleases.
    5. de klermon
      de klermon 4 May 2013 19: 01 New
      +3
      Shoot, don't shoot, Idris is still a corpse! Whatever one may say, but in any case, he will not live: Assad will win - his Western special services will be removed (they always remove witnesses), the Islamist International will win - again he is amba - these guys need such a "competitor" even less than the Americans! Can't believe it? And what happened to the liberal oppositionist in the now Islamist Tunisia? And this is in the homeland of the "Arab Spring", where there was no civil war at all !!!
      So it turns out that one should not be surprised that this suicide bombers (without any exaggeration or quotation marks) he vibrated: if you want to live, you’ll still be wrapped up !!!
  2. Kaa
    Kaa 4 May 2013 06: 23 New
    22
    “If they have any interests, then we will discuss the future role of Russia (in Syria). He obviously confused something. Promise something that doesn't belong to you ... some kind of childhood. And in general, how many such leaders have already gone to the houris ... "The fact is that a person is mortal, and most often suddenly mortal ..."
  3. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 06: 33 New
    +6
    "It is obvious that the main goal of all international efforts is a political dialogue aimed at ending the bloodshed," said the official representative of the UN Secretary General Martin Nesirke, answering the question of the correspondent. ITAR-TASS. Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, commenting on the statement of the commander of the Syrian Free Army, Salim Idris, about its readiness to meet with Russian officials at any time, said that Moscow is ready for dialogue "with all opposition groups" in Syria.
    Against this background, US State Department spokesman Patrick Wentrell said that Washington intends to increase the provision of non-military assistance to the Syrian opposition. According to him, we are talking about "non-military support". He recalled that on April 30, Washington carried out "the first consignment of supplies of medicines and food directly to the Military Council / one of the key opposition groups /". "This is the first of a series of supplies. As you know, we are stepping up our assistance to the Syrian people and the opposition, in particular to the Military Council," said a spokesman for the State Department, mentioning that support will be provided in the amount of up to $ 250 million. He noted that while it is about the provision of medicines and food. "But our non-military assistance extends to other areas. We will continue to work with the Syrians to determine what they need the most," Ventrell said. According to the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry, to arm Bashar al-Assad's opponents is to add fuel to the fire and bet only for a military scenario. "To start a conversation about whether to supply the opposition with weapons, lethal, non-lethal products, this is a bet on a military scenario, and not on a political settlement," ITAR-TASS quoted him as saying.
    Touching upon the problem of Syrian refugees, Sergey Lavrov noted that the creation of humanitarian corridors and no-fly zones, which are proposed in the UN Security Council, may result in an attempt to prepare external intervention in the conflict, therefore Moscow and Beijing are against this idea.
    1. Kaa
      Kaa 4 May 2013 14: 21 New
      +3
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      this is a bet on a military scenario, not on a political settlement "
      "US Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel acknowledged that Washington does not rule out the possibility of supplying weapons to the Syrian opposition. President Obama also confirmed this. For the first time, US administration officials made it clear that the United States could revise the ban on supplying weapons to rebels in Syria." Arming the rebels - this is an option, "- Hagel told reporters, stressing that no final decision has yet been made." It is necessary to consider and rethink all the available possibilities. At the same time, it is not necessary that you use them, "the US Secretary of Defense added.
      Hagel's statement came at a joint press conference in Washington with British Secretary of Defense Philip Hammond.
      As for Britain, Hammond said, so far she has not had the opportunity to supply arms to the Syrian opposition because of the ban imposed by the European Union. However, as soon as the ban expires, and this will happen in just a few weeks, the British authorities, according to Hammond , will return to the discussion of this idea. http://podrobnosti.ua/power/2013/05/03/903027.html
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 15: 02 New
        +2
        Quote: Kaa
        as soon as the ban expires, and this happens literally in a few weeks, the British authorities, according to Hammond, will return to discussing this idea.
        Is it that the "rebels" will bleed to death for several weeks? Well, tse good, good. But what kind of weapons, perhaps, are they planning to supply? Small arms, ammunition? So, smuggling supplies for the money of the Cathar is the secret of Polichinelle. Maybe the West wants to attend to " a no-fly zone "so that it would be more convenient to distribute humanitarian weapons? I am lost in conjecture. The UN is now such passions boil. Vitaly Churkin said (though at the end of April, not the point):" We cannot but worry the attitude of a number of countries to supply illegal groups in Syria a weapon that ultimately risks settling in the hands of terrorists operating on its territory. If the stake on war to the bitter end, encouraged by the aggressive minority of the world community, prevails, this will cause further degradation of the situation and the growth of terrorist activity, including in neighboring countries. ”In neighboring countries! Think about it ...
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 4 May 2013 15: 13 New
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .Only what weapons maybe they plan to supply?

          Anything, considering that now the list of "humanitarian supplies" includes not only food and first aid kits with blankets (gentlemen's set), but also night vision devices (to better evacuate in the dark) and even ARMOR CARS (for the safety of refugees, as I understand it) negative
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 15: 30 New
            +1
            Well, yes. Probably, the Red Cross and the Red Crescent helps to seal the containers before sending. Without personally contacting anyone personally on this site, I just want to shout: AND U D!
  4. Eric
    Eric 4 May 2013 06: 44 New
    14
    One of the belligerents, requests a truce only when the continuation of the struggle is impossible. Conclusion, scum blown away. Conclusion, it's time to WET! drinks Hurray FRIENDS!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 07: 04 New
      +6
      Quote: Eric
      Conclusion, scum blown away. Conclusion, it's time to WET!

      But the British media disagree with you and even admire Al Qaeda and its actions. Soon deleted from the list of terrorist organizations and declared a beacon of democracy, which cares for everyone around ..
      Meanwhile, according to British media, the al-Qaida international terrorist network has created a Sharia court to strengthen its power in Syria. According to this information, it has become the main authority in Aleppo, the largest city in the north of the country. Its influence extends to the opposition-controlled areas of the neighboring province of Idlib. Residents of the captured areas of Aleppo are forced to appeal to the Sharia court to resolve emerging conflict situations.

      The secular wing of the opposition created its own court in the city - the United Legal Council, but it does not enjoy influence, since it does not have a “force” to enforce its decisions. In addition, al-Qaeda representatives took control of food supply for these neighborhoods, maintain electricity and water supply systems in working order, British media report.
      http://news.mail.ru/politics/12976591/
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 07: 11 New
        11
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Al-Qaeda representatives took control of food supply for these quarters, maintain electricity and water supply systems in working condition
        What a touching concern for the Syrian people. But, personally, I, the Stormbreaker, do not move, I only clench my fists. And in London, it seems, there is nothing left except the rats ...
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 4 May 2013 07: 21 New
          11
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          .And in London, it seems, except for rats, there was nothing left ...

          Well, why, there is the mayor of London, very much supports the Islamists laughing Soon Queen Elizabeth will accept Islam, all by wink laughing
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 07: 29 New
            +6
            What on the street? These "guys" need to be received in oval offices, as is their custom am
          2. antidote
            antidote 4 May 2013 07: 47 New
            +3
            Gay politicians are playing with the Islamists. They will not be able to play this card. the fastest way to get these hedemocrats in harems as cleaners
          3. Phantom Revolution
            4 May 2013 11: 08 New
            +8
            Britain 2020.
            1. Canep
              Canep 4 May 2013 12: 56 New
              0
              Only Sukhov and Petruha are not enough, who will drive the Mujahideen there.
          4. Kaa
            Kaa 4 May 2013 14: 25 New
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, why, there is the mayor of London, very much supports the Islamists
            And they him and all the glorious kingdom ...
            1. knn54
              knn54 4 May 2013 15: 41 New
              +8
              A Paris school teacher checks the presence of students:
              - Mustafa ibn Kemal?
              - Here.
              - Yakin Badr-Haretdin?
              - Here.
              - Alla in bar Bier?
              “Master, my name is pronounced“ Allen Barbier ”.
              1. Artmark
                Artmark 4 May 2013 16: 34 New
                +3
                Soon both in Holland and in Belgium and in all of Europe it will be so
                1. fatty
                  fatty 4 May 2013 21: 18 New
                  +1
                  I agree with you, and the wife of Allen Barbier will be some Monsieur Nicolas Oland.
          5. APASUS
            APASUS 4 May 2013 23: 24 New
            0
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Well, why, there is the mayor of London, very much supports the Islamists

            There, already, “Sharia courts” are already operating. Soon they will put on the famous English justice !!!
            In good old England, a real scandal is brewing. The authorities can do nothing with the self-proclaimed Sharia courts, which threaten to take control of the whole of Great Britain.
            The UK Department of Justice has refused an investigation into the case of secret "Shariah councils" that are engaged in the search for "Islamic justice" in the country. The reason - they could not take the track. And the Muslim courts themselves refused to help Scotland Yard.

            The failure of the Department of Justice has created a panic among politicians who have long been alarmed by the growing influence of Sharia law in England. They are concerned that the decisions of such courts may work against the law of the country, especially in settlements where the Muslim majority oppresses English women.
        2. tm70-71
          tm70-71 4 May 2013 10: 09 New
          -15
          In Syria, there is an inter-confessional war (the Sunnis against Shiites, peasants, etc.), so the statement that the whole people of Syria supports Assad is mildly untrue. I was impressed that Putin and K support Assad, it was said that We won’t surrender more of our own, however, Islam in Russia is also of the Sunni movement, and how Assad’s support in Russia may later come back to the same Russia, h. Assad can already be said to have lost, despite the support of Iran and the Lebanese Shiites. Why? Why? that everyone declares one thing, but in reality everything is different, arms and ammunition rushing in a large stream from Turkey and Qatar, the Sauds also offered a hand, which will be longer - we'll see, but it seems to me that the outcome is close.
          1. Phoenix-D
            Phoenix-D 4 May 2013 10: 41 New
            +6
            tm70-71, you thought you said -
            Assad can already be said to have lost,
            ? When are opponents, clearly losing, asking for a truce? )))
            And the war there is between the CITIZENS of Syria and the radical Islamists, and not just between the Sunnis and Shiites.
            And the tales of his defeat, and that he "has not long left", we have heard from you for the second year.
            1. tm70-71
              tm70-71 4 May 2013 11: 17 New
              -4
              I agree that Assad is also supported by sane Sunnis, but you need to really look at things, Alepo is completely controlled by the Islamites (as you wrote), there are also fights in Tartus, Israel bombed something there for the second day, do you think this is in the hands of the loyalists? one third of the territory is being controlled, and it’s a tight fit, but you don’t notice that the rebels are getting more and more advanced equipment and weapons every day, I’m not talking about mass desertion in the army. Do you think I advocate for Assad’s faster delivery? Are you mistaken as soon as Assad’s regime arrives , dances on bones will begin there, how long they will last HZ, look at the example of Libya and Iraq.
              1. Phantom Revolution
                4 May 2013 11: 57 New
                +4
                Quote: tm70-71
                I agree that Assad is also supported by sane Sunnis, but you need to really look at things, Alepo is completely controlled by the Islamites (as you wrote), there are also fights in Tartus, Israel bombed something there for the second day, do you think this is in the hands of the loyalists? one third of the territory is being controlled, and it’s a tight fit, but you don’t notice that the rebels are getting more and more advanced equipment and weapons every day, I’m not talking about mass desertion in the army. Do you think I advocate for Assad’s faster delivery? Are you mistaken as soon as Assad’s regime arrives , dances on bones will begin there, how long they will last HZ, look at the example of Libya and Iraq.

                Where did you get these tales?) With echo matzah?)
                1. tm70-71
                  tm70-71 4 May 2013 12: 39 New
                  -6
                  I didn’t take anything with an echo or matzo. Turn on the brain and go to foreign-language forums, if with languages ​​O, turn on the translator and you will be informed.
                  1. skeptic
                    skeptic 4 May 2013 13: 31 New
                    +8
                    Quote: tm70-71
                    I didn’t take anything with an echo or matzo. Turn on the brain and go to foreign-language forums, if with languages ​​O, turn on the translator and you will be informed.


                    You, good sir, first find a translator into Russian, without mistakes. And then offer foreign mouthpieces for the "information war" that state "only the truth and nothing but the truth." The fall of Assad is possible only by physically eliminating him, or by open intervention of the West. And it is not necessary to say that there is an interfaith war in Syria, there is a lot of rabble from different countries, including from the intelligence services of the East and West.
                    1. tm70-71
                      tm70-71 4 May 2013 14: 18 New
                      -5
                      And you are not in the know that on Assad’s side, besides Hezbola, there are also Iranians? And who are the militants from Hezbola? And who are the Iranians. If you are impatient and you will find a translator (the seeker will find it out), and it’s not worth it, why look for something. And the fact that weapons and military equipment are being squandered by barks, and it’s stupidly cooling off, as you call it, the rebels have already started firing tactical missiles at the airport, noticeably central, there is no central one.
                    2. tm70-71
                      tm70-71 4 May 2013 14: 27 New
                      -2
                      The position “Hurray everyone, we’re bothering everyone with the boots of the Skorokhod factory,” I don’t sympathize with. There is information, let’s discuss. Why then hang labels?
                  2. Phantom Revolution
                    4 May 2013 19: 24 New
                    +2
                    Quote: tm70-71
                    I didn’t take anything with an echo or matzo. Turn on the brain and go to foreign-language forums, if with languages ​​O, turn on the translator and you will be informed.

                    You’re too rich for fantasy, sir).
                    1. tm70-71
                      tm70-71 4 May 2013 19: 45 New
                      -1
                      Again I ask, in essence, is what?
                      1. Phantom Revolution
                        4 May 2013 20: 04 New
                        +1
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Again I ask, in essence, is what?

                        You recall, Georgian trolls after August 2008 d)))
                        You yourself essentially did not say or show anything. Only imaginary sources that refer to others, and those to third, etc.)
                        I'm not going to prove anything to you) For time to waste) You need to go to YouTube, there are a lot of different video reports, it is video, and not "Ibrahim reports")
                        So go ahead, translator and on YouTube) The fact that you are sounding here, I saw the opposite in my eyes.
                      2. tm70-71
                        tm70-71 4 May 2013 20: 45 New
                        0
                        Quote: Phantom Revolution
                        Quote: tm70-71
                        Again I ask, in essence, is what?

                        You recall, Georgian trolls after August 2008 d)))
                        You yourself essentially did not say or show anything. Only imaginary sources that refer to others, and those to third, etc.)
                        I'm not going to prove anything to you) For time to waste) You need to go to YouTube, there are a lot of different video reports, it is video, and not "Ibrahim reports")
                        So go ahead, translator and on YouTube) The fact that you are sounding here, I saw the opposite in my eyes.

                        Where did you see the links from me? Do you speak Russian? I don’t need to prove anything, I’m not an adult, I don’t suffer political politicians!
          2. tm70-71
            tm70-71 4 May 2013 14: 31 New
            -2
            Have you personally heard this statement from me?
        3. T-130
          T-130 4 May 2013 18: 18 New
          +1
          Initially, it probably was so, but I think the situation has changed a bit, on the opposition side there are a lot of mercenaries (who are not familiar with moral principles), many are taken as army under the threat of weapons, not many like it, so do not talk about denomination support those or other forces, for everyone this is personal! As a matter of fact, there is a redivision of the world, and there is no place for its organizers for Russia, so no matter what Russia does, fanatics will find it wrong to declare war for it, especially if they pay money for it, and if we don’t surrender Assad, it will be a signal to other countries!
          1. tm70-71
            tm70-71 4 May 2013 19: 14 New
            0
            All the so-called Islamists adhere to Sunni Islam, the bulk of Shiite loyalists, I think you won’t argue against this. And is there a revival of Khazbola, a Shiite terrorist organization? And do the guardians of the Islamic revolution belong to which denomination?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 4 May 2013 19: 34 New
              +1
              Why did you decide that Hezbollah is a terrorist organization? What terrorist attacks did it take upon itself? What is trying to protect the interests (and lives) of its people? Probably because it was able to defend Lebanon's independence from one aggressive country (as opposed to the official "operetta "the army of your state).
              1. tm70-71
                tm70-71 4 May 2013 19: 41 New
                -1
                Hezbola is recognized as a terrorist organization all over the world, it has money from selling drugs, google it. It’s even enough for me.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 4 May 2013 19: 54 New
                  +2
                  You can write whatever you want (who owns all the world's media?). I just know that a religious war is going on in Syria. The "oppositionists" will win - they will cut out Christians and Alawites and Shiitov to the root. Then all this rabble will rush to our Caucasus. Hezbollah fights for his fellow believers. By the way, the money for its maintenance was unfastened by Assad and Iran
                  1. tm70-71
                    tm70-71 4 May 2013 20: 07 New
                    0
                    Everything was written correctly, from my point of view, regarding the media, whoever orders the music there pays, Personally, I draw my information. Hunger through forums, including from people who are in the thick of things. But that wouldn’t be like that As you write, you don’t need to throw caps over it, but analyze all the information and take a sober look at the things that are happening and write, including here on this site.
    2. Eric
      Eric 4 May 2013 07: 23 New
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      But the British media disagree with you and even admire Al Qaeda and its actions. Soon deleted from the list of terrorist organizations and declared a beacon of democracy, which cares for everyone around ..

      And when did they agree with us? :) Only when the ass burned, and only Mother Russia can help out! :) wassat
  5. RUSSIA 2013
    RUSSIA 2013 4 May 2013 15: 13 New
    +2
    Quote: Eric
    One of the belligerents, requests a truce only when the continuation of the struggle is impossible. Conclusion, scum blown away. Conclusion, it's time to WET! drinks Hurray FRIENDS!

    I also think so, remember the first Chechen one when there was a real chance to put an end back to 1996, and then a shameful truce, and all of you know how it came out. so here a cat smells its fat from eating.
    1. tm70-71
      tm70-71 4 May 2013 17: 54 New
      -1
      Who has a cease-fire and with whom? What are you talking about? What is the FSA? Who supports it in Syria? The radicals rule the ball there, they are male Paul .. Org ... put on the SSA.
      1. tm70-71
        tm70-71 4 May 2013 19: 08 New
        -1
        Citizens of the Russians, to say, in essence, there is WHAT? You at least minus, from these minuses I am neither cold nor hot. And there is nothing to say. Or shout "everything is gone", or hurray hurray!
  • Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 4 May 2013 06: 47 New
    +6
    and who does he represent? there are such "dieders" for 50 kopecks per bundle.
  • AlexxxNik
    AlexxxNik 4 May 2013 06: 51 New
    +6
    Quote: Kaa
    Promise something that does not belong to you.

    the guy seems to have decided to bargain, the poor fellow still does not understand what it is about, he seems to still sincerely think that Russia in Syria Tartus is defending economic nyashki. Strategies Mlyn
  • SPACE
    SPACE 4 May 2013 06: 55 New
    +6
    “If they have any interests, then we will discuss the future role of Russia (in Syria). We will be very positive. ”Komar Says Bear laughing
  • aszzz888
    aszzz888 4 May 2013 07: 05 New
    +3
    Yes, today, terrorists fired rockets at an airfield in Damascus. As they say, they waited. Although this all went.
  • krokodil25
    krokodil25 4 May 2013 07: 15 New
    +5
    Who imagines himself that he really thinks that someone will talk to him !!! angry
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 4 May 2013 07: 37 New
    +5
    They will ask the campaign that Assad would not be helped. I hope that the situation with Libya will not be repeated when we were asked for something, perhaps promised, and then sent tries.
  • Humpty
    Humpty 4 May 2013 07: 39 New
    +4
    It seems that the traitor to the people of Syria wanted to live. With traitors you can talk only about surrender with a guarantee of a fair trial.
    1. antidote
      antidote 4 May 2013 07: 50 New
      +4
      Traitors can never be trusted, but can be used. I think it is necessary to take advantage of the differences of Assad’s opponents, and bet on the former general, caress and direct against the Islamists
  • JIaIIoTb
    JIaIIoTb 4 May 2013 07: 42 New
    +6
    Remember the Chechen company (the first), as soon as the fighters began to smell fried, they immediately sat down at the negotiating table and agreed on a ceasefire.
    1. Phantom Revolution
      4 May 2013 09: 07 New
      +6
      The thing is going. It’s better to crush them.
  • fenix57
    fenix57 4 May 2013 07: 50 New
    +4
    Quote: Kaa
    . Something he clearly confused

    This activist has beguiled with whom he asks (!) To talk ...
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    But the British media disagree with you and even admire Al Qaeda and its actions. Soon deleted from the list of terrorist organizations and declared a beacon of democracy, which cares for everyone around ..

    And what can they do if: “The UK will become the most 'mixed' country in Europe in five years, and by 2050 - the most 'mixed' country in the world.“ Mass immigration has changed our country forever, ”writes Chris Roycroft-Davis in an article for Express. The journalist cites demographic data Professor David Coleman." see http: //www.imperiya.by/news.html? id = 109663
    They are already under the heel, it remains only to praise .... hi
    1. Phantom Revolution
      4 May 2013 11: 02 New
      +1
      Quote: fenix57
      They are already under the heel, it remains only to praise .... hi

      Not to mention the vigilantes of Sharia norms and foundations. Soon in Britain there will be no way out without a burqa.
  • Delink
    Delink 4 May 2013 07: 54 New
    +5
    SyShyA rely on Salim Idris. They taught us what and how to say (demand), so we are ready to negotiate with Russia. I hope that Lavrov will not step on a rake. Will give a decent answer. And above correctly said "Let him shoot himself" for his country.
  • vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 4 May 2013 08: 52 New
    +3
    With a clear conscience, I can snuck. What is so hot immediately agree to negotiations? at least something to snatch in a losing situation. When the Syrian army began to beat the SSA so effectively, then they asked for negotiations. Previously, when the United States hoped for help, NATO set conditions and requirements. What have you come with now? Really just want to keep their corrupt skins. They can’t only be trusted, they need a break, the hope of persuading the West to direct intervention has not disappeared. The conditions under which you can negotiate is only the trial of all traitors.
  • Rauf V.
    Rauf V. 4 May 2013 09: 31 New
    +4
    Gospoda-tovarishi .. Ne putaite pozhaluista Islam s tem, chto staraetsya pripodnesti raznaya mraz. Oni potomu i mraz, chto nikakih islamskih cennostei oni ne ispoveduyut i moralnyh pricipov ne imeyut. A delayut i zayavlyayut oni to, chto im veleno demokratichnymi hozyaevami. Vot kak oni obhodyatsya s mirnym naseleniem is shiitami v chastnosti:
    https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/p480x480/229632_564836670
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    ili vot eshe:
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  • George
    George 4 May 2013 09: 42 New
    +6
    Hello all.
    No negotiations with the Syrian Vlasov.
  • shinobi
    shinobi 4 May 2013 09: 53 New
    +5
    In the Koran, literally now I will not reproduce it, there is a direct indication of how to behave in relation to the faithful in relation to the infidels. The meaning is as follows: if the faithful does not have the power to subjugate the infidel and take possession of his property, then he must live in peace with him, conclude contracts, etc. .As soon as a true believer gains strength, he must forget about everything and take away, turn into slavery those who resist to kill. If during this process he weakens, he must go to negotiations on the conclusion of peace until he regains strength. The Koran quite clearly says who the faithful is with whom the Muslim must live peacefully. They are called "people of the book". These are the followers of the Torah, Christians and actually Muslims. Everything is simple and understandable. But here is the trick, the Sharia, the code of law gives an interpretation of the concept of "wrong" within the framework of the people of the book. Without going into In detail, for a long time, I note, Sharia allows you to declare anyone wrong within the framework of the law. After that, the faithful is in the right, and often is obliged to inflict maximum harm on you for the benefit of himself. when the rebels of the Muslim region go to negotiations, it only means that they have grabbed not sickly people and they need time to lick their wounds.At the diplomatic level, Assad's opposition finally realized that Russia could not be ignored, the world alignment is not the same as it was in the 90s.
    1. Rauf V.
      Rauf V. 4 May 2013 11: 57 New
      +1
      Chush! Eto vy v Korane sami prochitali?
  • radio operator
    radio operator 4 May 2013 10: 17 New
    +3
    The United States makes it the main stake among the leaders of the Syrian opposition and recently began direct deliveries of military equipment and humanitarian aid to the Syrian free army he heads.

    And why should we not, in this case, supply weapons to Assad?
  • Phoenix-D
    Phoenix-D 4 May 2013 10: 34 New
    +5
    If the Syrian bandits ask for a cease-fire, it means they are losing, and they urgently need a respite to regain their strength, a respite that cannot be granted to them in any case!
    1. bord731
      bord731 4 May 2013 10: 59 New
      +4
      Quote: Phoenix-D
      If the Syrian bandits ask for a cease-fire, it means they are losing, and they urgently need a respite to regain their strength, a respite that cannot be granted to them in any case!

      I completely agree with you - you can’t repeat the mistake of the first Chechen, no negotiations - wet, wet, wet ...
  • luka095
    luka095 4 May 2013 11: 06 New
    +1
    "If they have any interests, then we will discuss the future role of Russia (in Syria). We will be very positive."
    Apparently, this former general needs to buy time. Now he shares the skin of an unkilled bear - he does not rule Syria, but he wants to promise Moscow something. Therefore, it promises "positivity" in advance. It seems that something bad is being prepared in Syria ...
  • dc120mm
    dc120mm 4 May 2013 11: 29 New
    +5
    Quote: luka095
    In an interview with the publication, Idris also said that he gave orders to his units to distance themselves from the Dzhebhat al-Nusra (Front of Victory) group, linked to the Al-Qaida terrorist network.

    How does it "distance"? laughing fighting together laughing Mu - akotot Idris.
  • Ram chandra
    Ram chandra 4 May 2013 11: 33 New
    +5
    The most beautiful thing now is not to recognize him as the leader of the militants, to say that we will not talk with the dick from the street. And - to accuse him of betraying his people, to convict him of using a chemical. weapons, attribute all sins to him.
  • mizantropi
    mizantropi 4 May 2013 12: 01 New
    +2
    A betrayer will always betray one day. There is nothing to talk about with such freaks, how can one not divide the militant into the right and the wrong. With this audience, only on the GDP system to water in the toilet!
  • Naval
    Naval 4 May 2013 13: 07 New
    +3
    At first they smashed a blossoming, beautiful country, destroyed thousands of people, for the sake of shit and geyevrope, and now, when pressed, let's talk. Only complete disarmament, and then negotiations and elections, but disarmament ahead ..
  • Day 11
    Day 11 4 May 2013 13: 16 New
    +1
    You can, of course, be bogged down (after all, a secular education), but he is, after all, among the SSA "zero without a stick." Well, he will pull along (if he’s drunk) part of the pre-retirement electorate, and their youth is thoroughly saturated with fundamentalism and it is whether he will move. No, it is not he who decides questions there!
  • honest jew
    honest jew 4 May 2013 13: 20 New
    +3
    The head of the SSA wanted to discuss with Moscow the end of the war in Syria
  • Canep
    Canep 4 May 2013 13: 57 New
    +2
    On RT recently:
    The Arab League suspended the membership of the National Coalition of Opposition and Revolutionary Forces (NKORS) until a transitional government was formed in the country. This is stated in a note sent by the Permanent Mission of Syria to the UN in the missions of other countries.


    In the document, Damascus calls on the UN to vote at the General Assembly against the draft resolution recognizing the NKRS as the legal representative of the state.

    At the summit of the Arab League in Doha, Syria was represented by a coalition of opposition forces and the so-called “provisional government”.

    From now on, according to Damascus, the Arab League changed its mind.

    According to the Permanent Mission of Syria, the secretariat of the League of Arab States verbally warned their offices around the world that before the formation of a transitional government, representatives of the “coalition” should not attend league meetings.

    The mission also cites a statement made by 20 on April, by the chairman of the inter-Arab parliament, Ahmed Al-Jawran Al-Shamisi, where the diplomat points out that the membership of the opposition coalition in the inter-Arab parliament depends on its authority and ability to be a true representative of the Syrian people.


    LAS seems to merge the SSA, so they twitched, they want peace talks.
  • Ruslan_F38
    Ruslan_F38 4 May 2013 13: 58 New
    +2
    All the enemies of Syria are subject to destruction, bandits and all who support them. the United States, Israel, Turkey, the Saudis and others should think about it - a war can start on their territory, then they won’t think enough, by the way, I really hope for it, let these states feel all the charms of a civil war in their own skin.
  • Artmark
    Artmark 4 May 2013 16: 31 New
    -1
    And I think these are all political games. Then they want to talk and on the other hand their ally (Israel) is bombing. No negotiations! the enemies of the people of Syria must be punished !!!! angry
  • albai
    albai 4 May 2013 16: 41 New
    +1
    Apparently, the Syrian Army has only now realized how to kill the militants. And she really changed the tactics of actions during the "battle in the city" and the militants suffered irreparable losses. Moreover, territorial losses, they are losing control over many areas of the terrain. They can no longer accumulate ammunition and recruits. And they cried out for help from their patrons. And those in response were shouts: about the use of chemical weapons and the possibility of armed intervention, though with the proviso IF they used it, with an eye on Russia. This is where the legs grow, about the possibility of a dialogue between the opposition and Russia. But Assad does not need to look back at these tricks, and build up strikes on bases and clusters of militants, until then and this has time to send many of them to drink wine to the gurias.
    1. Yarbay
      Yarbay 4 May 2013 17: 07 New
      +1
      [quote = albai] Apparently, the Syrian Army has only now realized how to kill the militants. And she really changed the tactics of actions during the "battle in the city" and the militants suffered irreparable losses. Moreover, territorial losses, they are losing control over many areas of the terrain. They can no longer accumulate ammunition and recruits. And they cried out for help from their patrons. And those in response were shouts: about the use of chemical weapons and the possibility of armed intervention, though with the proviso that they used IF, with an eye on Russia. This is where the legs grow, about the possibility of a dialogue between the opposition and Russia. But Assad does not need to look back at these tricks, and build up strikes on bases and clusters of militants, until then and this has time to send many of them to drink wine to the gurias.
      It was no accident that the representative of Ayatollah Khamenei spoke that Iran was ready to send hundreds of thousands of volunteers to Syria, but not to allow the dismemberment of Syria !!
      The same performance was made by Nasrallah * Hezbollah leader * !! And now, as part of the Syrian army, volunteers from Iran and Lebanese soldiers * Hezbollah * are actively fighting, this solves the problem of manpower for the Syrian army !!
      and as for the houri, don’t say what you have no idea
  • knn54
    knn54 4 May 2013 17: 47 New
    +1
    The SSA consists predominantly of Sunnis who deserted after the outbreak of unrest from the Syrian army, in addition, the SSA is constantly replenished with jihadists from Lebanon, Iraq, Tunisia, which the authorities of these countries have repeatedly recognized officially.
    Deliveries of weapons to the SSA units are carried out from the reserves of the Saudi Arabian army. Communication equipment was supplied from France. The distribution was controlled by representatives of the CIA in order to prevent the entry of weapons to radical Islamists.
    In the summer of 2012, Turkey delivered 20 MANPADS. It should be noted that just at this time, the Syrian air force began to suffer noticeable losses; from August to October, they lost at least 6 aircraft and 4 helicopters.
    The militants of the group kidnapped the journalist Ankhar Kochneva, a citizen of Ukraine, for whose release they demanded a ransom. Call for the killing of Ukrainians, Russians and Iranians in Syria and beyond. Later, two Russians and an Italian were kidnapped - and again with a ransom demand. In September 2012, extremists from the SSA in the village of Gassania near Homs, where the Christian population lives, killed five residents of the village, 17 people were taken hostage.
    The UN accused the FSA of recruiting minors to participate in armed clashes. According to some media reports, this is due to a lack of adult fighters.
    And to negotiate with these freaks ???
  • Vtel
    Vtel 4 May 2013 17: 54 New
    0
    Idris’s “willingness to work with Russia” and reasonably moderate views explain, in particular, why he managed to secure support from the Barack Obama administration.
    The United States is betting on it among the leaders of the Syrian opposition and have recently begun direct deliveries of military equipment and humanitarian aid to the Syrian Free Army led by him.

    Most likely the United States and Israel are doing it, and it’s as if he himself was born, so cool with guns, the same thing to me a phoenix. Cashmen of the whole world boil this porridge and put on many shoes, and they themselves seem to have nothing to do with it - bullshit. No wonder our Kings did not love them.
  • T-130
    T-130 4 May 2013 18: 24 New
    +1
    It looks like the SSA is doing really bad, either the states and their allies squeezed money, or the instructors do not teach well, well, they can’t fight! And looting is good!
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak 4 May 2013 20: 04 New
    0
    Well, let's say that the minke whales will provide armored vehicles to the gangsters, as promised. The moment is not clear, but how will they transmit this armored vehicles, walkie-talkies, etc., including their favorite toilet paper across the border. The paper will pass, clear, and the rest? Are armored personnel carriers in the form of commodity packaging declared ??
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 4 May 2013 20: 08 New
      +1
      They camouflage it under agricultural machinery. In general, through Turkey, it’s easy
      1. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak 4 May 2013 20: 13 New
        +1
        Quote: Den 11
        .And generally through Turkey, it’s easy

        Do you think border guards do not exist there? Or are they like our officials - corrupt? laughing
        1. Day 11
          Day 11 4 May 2013 20: 18 New
          0
          Are you laughing? Or is it your kind of banter or you are not at all "in the subject". Whose border guards?
          1. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 4 May 2013 20: 50 New
            +1
            Quote: Den 11
            Are you laughing Whose border guards?

            1. Both that and another.
            2. Both those and others.
            You have not heard how recently the Turkish border guards fired on freedom-loving Syrians who wanted to enter Turkish territory. Why are you so sure that the Syrian army will miss equipment? This is not a dozen machines.
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 4 May 2013 20: 56 New
              +1
              There are NO government forces!
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 4 May 2013 21: 10 New
                0
                Now he looked at the top view and found out that if there is an alienation strip from the Turkish side and a highway for Turkish border guards passes along a possible PSC, then the fields will start immediately from Syria! Well this is some kind of horror.
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay 4 May 2013 20: 44 New
          +1
          Quote: Hedgehog
          Do you think border guards do not exist there? Or are they like our officials - corrupt?

          Dear Eugenius, it was the lack of border control that led to the current situation in Syria !!
          And only after government forces can establish control there, the mess will end!
          1. Day 11
            Day 11 4 May 2013 20: 47 New
            0
            And me, not knowing the situation, minus
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak 4 May 2013 20: 52 New
              +1
              Quote: Den 11
              me, not knowing the situation, minus

              You can be sure, not my job. Definitely!
          2. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 20: 50 New
            +1
            22.04.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX The EU Council decided to relax sanctions on oil imports from rebel-controlled areas of Syria. EU companies are now allowed to purchase oil from Syrian rebels, as well as invest and sell equipment for oil production in Syria.
            RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/arab_riot/20130422/933984785.html#ixzz2SLLJ7sVM Is this a political statement or evidence that there is no border?
            1. Day 11
              Day 11 4 May 2013 21: 04 New
              +2
              But this is already serious! Under this business it is possible to finance legally everything and supply all types of weapons (including armored vehicles), so to speak, to protect these very wells
              1. Thunderbolt
                Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 21: 10 New
                +1
                I don’t know how realistic it is to produce oil in war conditions, but cargo transit is possible.
                1. Day 11
                  Day 11 4 May 2013 21: 15 New
                  +1
                  Banal Operation Cover
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 4 May 2013 21: 23 New
                    0
                    I found a map. Through it, the oil pipeline leads me to Tartus ........
          3. Ezhaak
            Ezhaak 4 May 2013 20: 59 New
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            it was the lack of border control that led to the current situation in Syria

            Alibek, well, of course, I understand that this is quite real. BUT not to the same extent that the stripes can publicly declare their plans publicly. Again, I understand the transfer of communications, but I just can’t understand how to skip the technique. Moreover, knowing about it.
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 5 May 2013 07: 34 New
              0
              Quote: Hedgehog
              Again, I understand the transfer of communications, but I just can’t understand how to skip the technique. Moreover, knowing about it.

              There, specifically, a vast part of the border is not controlled by government forces !!
              tanks are hardly imported there, of course, but machine guns, missile shells and manpower are easy!
              1. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak 5 May 2013 10: 15 New
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                There is specifically a vast part of the border

                Yes, Alibek, a little later I looked at the border with Turkey from above, a photo from space. Yes, on the Syrian side, it (the border) practically does not exist. Maybe there is some kind of insignificant obstacle, but there is none like that from the Turkish side.
                Here is an example photo of the border near the village.
                [img = left] http://www.panoramio.com/photo_explorer#user=531166&with_photo_id=2032
                9262 & order = date_desc [/ img]
                And here the question begs. But is it necessary to reduce the army in Russia so much ??? Is not the example of the same Syria necessary for us?
  • fatty
    fatty 4 May 2013 21: 22 New
    +1
    the terrorist wanted to raise the status. no negotiations with the killers!
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 4 May 2013 21: 27 New
      0
      Once such a situation has gone (about oil) --- this hell might want to rub something with us. But Assad definitely needs to drag to his side those who are at least somehow sane
  • 120352
    120352 4 May 2013 21: 29 New
    +1
    Why discuss it here? Bandits must cease hostilities unilaterally, as they began, and surrender. And then - the court.
  • gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 4 May 2013 22: 07 New
    0
    In the case of the introduction of a cover operation for oil counterparties, mass provocations and even full-scale military operations are possible. Assad must be activated, and we should in no case allow this scenario!
  • knn54
    knn54 4 May 2013 23: 18 New
    0
    In the 90s, upon reaching adulthood, the Syrians received interest-free loans of $ 50000 from the authorities and settled well outside the homeland. Traders all over the planet, they and Iranians, as a rule, are religious and enjoy the support of their communities, which in turn are associated with the authorities. This is a considerable army, not inferior to mercenaries in number, patriotic and potentially capable of delivering covert but effective attacks on NATO. And not only with their own hands, but also with the hands of the same Albanians, Bosnians and other "co-religionists" ...
    1. Day 11
      Day 11 4 May 2013 23: 27 New
      0
      You have mixed everyone together. If they are patriotic, then they are at least not Sunnis (the majority), then where do the Albanians and Bosnians?
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay 5 May 2013 07: 37 New
        0
        Quote: Den 11
        If they are patriotic, then they are at least not Sunnis (most)

        respected in Syria is not a war of Sunnis and Shiites, so they want to present, but it is not!
        about the rest, you're right!
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay 5 May 2013 07: 38 New
      0
      Quote: knn54
      Traders all over the planet, they and Iranians, as a rule, are religious and enjoy the support of their communities, which in turn are associated with the authorities.

      nonsense)))
      And the rest trade less ??
      everything is much more complicated there!
  • v53993
    v53993 5 May 2013 01: 42 New
    0
    FSA wants to discuss ending the war in Syria? The question is of course interesting, but I, as a Russian, would like to discuss the self-liquidation of the SSA, as the most painless way to save the lives of its creators, who will be cleaned up by the United States. But, on the other hand, fewer people will die.
  • v53993
    v53993 5 May 2013 02: 03 New
    0
    Gentlemen (and in the near future, probably comrades) Jews, you have played too much. An attempt to blow up Russia from the inside is fraught with consequences primarily for you. An explosion, this will smear you on the outskirts of ecumena. Self-hypnosis about the drunk and nothing capable Russian people is a fairy tale for your people today. What do you say to your people tomorrow? Again, crawl to Stalin (i.e. Putin) with a request for revival?
  • gggif
    gggif 5 May 2013 03: 29 New
    0
    Let the guns agree! Idris ... No, I don’t know! Fire
  • piotr534
    piotr534 5 May 2013 03: 54 New
    0
    Amer made a bet on this, and so he suffered, imagines himself the main one in the opposition. What should Russia talk to him about, what kind of preferences in future Syria? The most combat-ready units are (an-nusra), and even in its gangs there are a lot of Islamists who do not need civilized Syria. The conclusion of all shoot, let Allah deal with them, this is his flock !!! But Assad needs to continue to help, it would not hurt to be more active.
  • Eric
    Eric 5 May 2013 04: 16 New
    +1
    Quote: RUSSIA 2013
    Quote: Eric
    One of the belligerents, requests a truce only when the continuation of the struggle is impossible. Conclusion, scum blown away. Conclusion, it's time to WET! drinks Hurray FRIENDS!

    I also think so, remember the first Chechen one when there was a real chance to put an end back to 1996, and then a shameful truce, and all of you know how it came out. so here a cat smells its fat from eating.

    That's it!
  • ed1968
    ed1968 5 May 2013 12: 21 New
    0
    I don’t think it’s necessary to discuss anything with them, it all starts with one hand reaching for a bite and then the next one and then all the same, all the more it is worth remembering their good graffiti on Russia