Three new submarines will be operational this year.

This year, the Russian Navy will receive three new submarines. Two of them are the nuclear rocket carriers of the 955 "Borey" project and one more is an atomic multi-purpose submarine built according to the 855 "Ash" project. This information was provided by Andrei Vernigora, director of the department of the main military department for the provision of state defense orders.

Vernigora stressed that the pace of work, which is recorded in relation to new submarines, allows us to say that the boats will be sent to the fleet in the current year. The first serial submarine of the Borey project, which will be transferred to the Russian Navy in September 2013, will be the Alexander Nevsky. Approximately in November-December, the second submarine of the same project, the “Vladimir Monomakh”, will be handed over to naval sailors. Tests of these submarine cruisers are being carried out, after which the boats will go to military bases.

Before the submarine of the 855 “Ash” project will be handed over to the Navy, it is necessary to conduct all types of state tests, including firing with the use of shock weapons. This boat, presumably, will also come to the fleet in December. The name for it is already defined. This is Severodvinsk.

If you recall the words of Sergei Shoigu about the full course of modernization of the Russian Navy fleetthen, by 2020, 54 surface ships and 24 submarines of various classes should enter service. The total cost of upgrading the fleet is budgeted as part of a whopping 5 trillion rubles.

24 submarines for 7 years are impressive plans. Literally, wholesale boats for sale from manufacturers, which should bring them substantial income and contribute to the development of production capacity with the involvement of new personnel. By the way, it is about the staff that there is a serious discussion today. The acuteness of the issue lies in the fact that many military-industrial enterprises have lost high-class specialists over the years of lack of money. In addition, young people reluctantly go to these factories, as they are dissatisfied with the level of funding. In order to attract highly professional workers and engineers, it is necessary to solve the accompanying social problems, which are primarily related to the provision of housing. The housing problem is also of concern to those who have worked for decades in defense industry enterprises, but have not received an apartment. It is possible that the new program of modernization of the Russian fleet will help solve these problems.

Comments

[Belo_ticketnik]

3 boats is good. If only there were no pads again this year

[Reasonable, 2,3]

Have you considered how many amers have ?.

[Belo_ticketnik]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

Have you considered how many amers have ?.

I don’t care about someone else’s garden while in my mess.

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: author

Three new submarines will be operational this year.

something like this they get up
The Russian Navy in 2012 received five warships
http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20130221/923967404.html

[Nick]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

Now, in the North and Pacific Fleets - units of nuclear submarines, and diesel in the Northern Fleet and Pacific Fleets - units

And you have a critical mindset, Socrates, but I dare say that 10-12 years ago, we had only dreamed about adopting 3 submarines for service by our Navy in one year ...

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: Nick

10-12 years ago, the adoption by our Navy of 3 nuclear submarines in one year only had to dream ...

at that time it was possible not to accept at all, but only to adequately preserve the Soviet legacy (endured time and time.)
while giving birth for 16 years this truly priceless Borei "Yuri Dolgoruky" without missiles - "The Navy has written off up to 80-85 percent of surface ships, submarines, combat aircraft." http://open-eyes-russia.com/ society / army-weapons / 443-deleting-the-navy-to-
russia.html
I mean that in modern Russia there is no interest in the defense industry. all great projects - the summit, Sochi, Skolkovo and Borey, including exist only for the "effective" assimilation of the budget

[Nick]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

at that time it was possible not to accept at all, but only to adequately preserve the Soviet legacy (endured time and time.)

I completely agree with you. +

Quote: Patriot of Russia

I’m all about the fact that in modern Russia there is no interest in the defense industry.

And here, sorry, you're wrong. 23 trillion to strengthen the country's defense capability is not a seed ... And they began to buy weapons, nuclear submarines, aircraft. Increased defense science funding. Exercises of all levels have been regularly held, modernization of communications and command and control systems is underway, exercises at all levels in the troops, etc. All this suggests that Putin does not want the fate of Libya for Russia, but for himself the fate of Gaddafi ...

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

Yes, and began to buy weapons

They wouldn’t have bought before

Quote: Nick

submarine ships, aircraft

More specifically. And in comparison with previous years (for example, 90-mi)

Quote: Nick

Steel exercises are regularly conducted at all levels.

Previously carried out even more often.
Just about it less tryndely on TV (and there was no Internet)

Quote: Nick

and for themselves the fate of Gaddafi ...

)))

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

They wouldn’t have bought before

When is this before? More specifically ... During Soviet times? Then of course! ...

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

More specifically. And in comparison with previous years (for example, 90-mi)

More specific? Take the trouble yourself, and I’ll quote the budget:
2000 year - defense spending of about 141 billion rubles.
2012 year - defense spending of approximately 1,9 trillion rubles.
Defense spending increased almost 14 times.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Previously carried out even more often.
Just about it less tryndely on TV (and there was no Internet)

More specifically ... When was this before? Held more often - is it not how much?
Fewer tryndels on TV - how much less? in percent indicate ...

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

)))

...

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

When is this before? More specifically ...

15 years ago. Borya is an alcoholic. "dashing nineties".

ships were being built! 6 built submarines, a dozen laid submarines (so far none of them have been completed), TAVKR (26 thousand tons, honestly completed by 98 year), BOD, 2 destroyer, a dozen small ships
compare this to the 2000 years when they began to talk so much about patriotism

Quote: Nick

2000 year - defense spending of about 141 billion rubles.
2012 year - defense spending of approximately 1,9 trillion rubles.
Defense spending increased almost 14 times.

Money is a completely slippery and meaningless argument. I did not hold these amounts in my hands and I can’t verify the accuracy of this statement
Let me give you statistics of ships under construction / mortgaged / built. And everything will become very obvious

Quote: Nick

More specifically ... When was this before? Held more often - is it not how much?

Campaign of the warship of the Northern Fleet in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean (1996 year)
Or Kursk in the Mediterranean Sea (1999)

The only difference with our time is that at that time the Russian Navy had more ships, there were more aircraft on the Kuznetsov's deck (just in those years, supplies of Su-33 carrier-based fighters began), and our naval exercises looked much more solid. There were bases in Cam Ranh (closed in 2002) and a radio interception center at Lourdes (Cuba, closed in the same year).

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

15 years ago. Borya is an alcoholic. "dashing nineties".

Why are you distorting the facts !?
What was introduced into the fleet under Bohr was built during the Soviet era.
Do not mislead people.

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Money is a completely slippery and meaningless argument.

What are you saying! In your opinion, it turns out that the state is wasting money on defense in vain. You can strengthen the defense without money! And we didn’t know. So teach us homespun ... Share your knowledge.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

What was introduced into the fleet under Bohr was built during the Soviet era.

K-141 "Kursk" bookmarked on March 22, 1992, launched on 16.05.94. accepted into the Federation Council on 30.12.94/XNUMX/XNUMX
where is the USSR? Okay, go ahead:
- K-150 "Tomsk" was laid down in August 1991, launched in July 1996, on March 17, 1997, K-150 became part of the 1st flotilla of submarines of the Northern Fleet. In 1998, the latest nuclear-powered submarine sailed to the Far East under the ice of the Arctic Ocean. It is currently part of the Pacific Fleet.
- K-419 "Kuzbass". Bookmark 1991. Launch: 1992. Admission to the fleet in 1992.
- K-295 “Samara”. Bookmark 1993. Launching 1994. Admission to the fleet in 1995.
- 157 The Boar. Bookmark 1990. Launching 1994. Admission to the fleet in 1995.
- K-335 "Cheetah" Bookmark 1991, transferred to the fleet - 2001

Conclusions: most of the nuclear submarines built in the 1990 were already initially built in the Russian Federation.

It is simply amazing that over the past 10 years, despite the cries of patriotism, the fleet has not received a single new nuclear submarine !!!

Quote: Nick

What was introduced into the fleet under Bohr was built during the Soviet era

And what is being built now (3 boats a year, aha!) Is laid down in the "dashing nineties"
K-329 "Severodvinsk" - 1993 (not accepted into the fleet until now)
K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" - 1996 (somehow completed by 2013)
The remaining 2 submarines (SSBN pr.955 "Borey") are built from sections of nuclear submarines pr. 971 and 949A, laid down in the 90s, but removed from the slipway in the 2000s

Quote: Nick

In your opinion, it turns out that the state is wasting money on defense in vain.

How do I know - increases or decreases, on the contrary?)) I did not hold this money in my hands - maybe they have already plundered it. Or there were none at all.
But I see the ships - they are on the roadstead, they enter the SRZ-82. Among them there is not one built over the past 10 years.

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

- K-419 "Kuzbass". Bookmark 1991. Launch: 1992. Admission to the fleet in 1992.
- K-295 “Samara”. Bookmark 1993. Launching 1994. Admission to the fleet in 1995.
- 157 The Boar. Bookmark 1990. Launching 1994. Admission to the fleet in 1995.
- K-335 "Cheetah" Bookmark 1991, transferred to the fleet - 2001

So the bookmark until 1992 is the USSR. The only "Samara" was founded in 1993. All! Borya received a powerful industry from the RSFSR. If you imagine a little how the economy works, then you understand that this is exactly the one, the Soviet economy still continued to work in the first years of Yeltsin's rule. But by 1996 Timurovich and his team managed to slow it down and ruin it, with the full support of EBN. So there is no need to tell a fairy tale about the flourishing of the army and navy in the nineties. Everyone who turned 20 by 1992 understands that in the 90s there was a stagnation of the economy, army and navy. Therefore, after 1993, no boats were built. We are just starting now, but better late than never ...

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

So the bookmark until 1992 is USSR

So what? They were HONESTLY CONSTRUCTED a few years later

Quote: Nick

The only "Samara" was founded in 1993.

bookmarks:
K-141 "Kursk" - 1992
K-152 "Nerpa" - 1993
K-329 "Severodvinsk" - 1993 (the newest SSGN pr.885 "Ash")
K-535 "Yuri Dolgoruky" - 1996

So the current situation was not nearly lying around. In the 1990 year, new boats almost every year were laid down and surrendered to the fleet.

Quote: Nick

But by the 1996 year, Timurovich and his team managed to slow down and break it down, with the full support of EBN

Is it really that Borya sold the 2 of the newly built destroyer to China in the 2000 year?
Navy Kamran also closed Borya?

Quote: Nick

Therefore, after 1993, no boats were built

Impudent lies - all facts are listed above.

Quote: Nick

Just getting started

What exactly are you starting?
Rather aggravate

ps / as I understand it, there was nothing to answer to the bottom comment (about Sharp and Tapir)

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

ps / as I understand it, there was nothing to answer to the bottom comment (about Sharp and Tapir)

You did not answer half my questions, I think it is pointless to continue the discussion. Total...

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

Campaign of the warship of the Northern Fleet in the North Atlantic and the Mediterranean (1996 year)
Or Kursk in the Mediterranean Sea (1999)

And it's all? Not much. Now our ships are constantly on duty in the Mediterranean Sea, and, mind you, they are already in detachments, and not sail alone.

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

Now our ships are constantly on duty in the Mediterranean Sea, and, mind you, they are already detachments, and not sail alone.

In 90, our ships were on duty not only in the Mediterranean))) For example, the VMB Kamran (Vietnam), closed in the 2002 year, acted

Quote: Nick

already detachments, and not walk alone.

It is interesting to look at these Squads
Is it possible that the Smetlivy ICR (built in 1966) is again accompanied by the Tapir large landing craft (also built in the 60s). Remains of the plundered fleet of the once great country.

[vovxu]

here you are a ghoul, it’s kind of good news, but you would only have to pour mud. Sent?

[afire]

haaaa)) after such statements with sites, I usually check what kind of site they recommend me to read here, and oh my gosh! what I stumbled upon))) - open-ice-russian turns out to be a shit site .... I’m tyuyu, they don’t even twist it right, stupidly lay a gavish on it, and then someone refers to these ala articles. Hey you! horseradish patriot! - get out of here with your shit links!

[elenasvetlova]

also checked, shnyaga pushes us. mishandled Cossack, in his emergency

[Botanologist]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

while giving birth for 16 years this truly priceless Borey "Yuri Dolgoruky" without missiles

Have given birth and do further.
Maybe you could have dealt with your bright mind in a year, huh?

[Santa Fe]

Quote: Nick

Socrates, but I dare say that as far back as 10-12 years ago, we only dreamed about adopting 3's nuclear submarines for service in our navy for one year only ...

just coincided)))
Severodvinsk, of which there are so many trynds, built since the 1993 of the year - we’ll see if the Navy will finally be given the boat this year

ps / in the 90s, the USSR Navy was replenished with 5 nuclear submarines (for example, K-141 Kursk, built in 94-95) + the sixth, K-335 Cheetah (adopted in 2001, but in fact built in the "dashing nineties")

pps / in the 2000 years, despite the cries of patriotism, the Russian Navy did not receive a single nuclear submarine

[Nick]

Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN

ps / in the 90s, the composition of the USSR Navy was replenished with 5 atomic submarines

So then In the USSR, and then in Russia ... Do not you feel the difference?
In the 90s, only one nuclear submarine "Samara" was laid down and built in Russia. The few submarines that were commissioned in the 90s were laid down and built back in the USSR.

[lecturer]

From the article:
"Before the submarine of project 855" Ash "will be transferred to the Navy, it is necessary to conduct all types of state tests, including firing with the use of shock weapons. This submarine, presumably, will also come to the fleet in December."
- As far as I understand, as a "former from the fleet", BUT, the submission to the "Register" (in our opinion), or "state acceptance" according to the modern, is one of the next difficult checks of each "bolt and nut assembly"! The dissatisfaction of the young and hot guys from our readership can be suspended by recollections of unsuccessful tests of naval strategic missiles (!) In past years. Requirements must be "strictest" for each complex (as it was in Soviet times). And how many missiles amers have and we have - no need to compare. Since, their "speed" and "quantity" JUST balances in power with OUR required QUALITY! An example of a toyu, please compare the 5th generation aircraft (!) HERE is both their quantity and quality !!!

[Patriot of Russia]

The "Bulava" has passed. "If you suffer for a long time, something will work out." Out of 12 launches, 5 were "recognized as successful". Billions of Ugrohans. If we assume that this is a success, then okay.

About 10 percent of the USSR fleet remained. And every year this percentage decreases. And what comes to replace, let's say, "needs improvement."
http://flot.com/nowadays/concept/views/dyingelephant/

[Army1]

And you are not an "ardent" patriot of the Motherland. It is clear that not everything is in chocolate, but you need to start somewhere.

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: Army1

And you are not an "ardent" patriot of the Motherland. It is clear that not everything is in chocolate, but you need to start somewhere.

though she’s usually bitter, but you need to start with the realization that our main enemy is in the Kremlin, and how a cancerous tumor sucks juice from an already half-dead Russia

[Army1]

Yes, but who is the main tumor for you?

[Army1]

If Putin, then this is a big problem, but if all these officials, who are certainly not paid to the cia by all, of course, some. Then it is necessary to identify them to destroy like parasites! I am worried about one Question! The GDP covers them, or he is simply loyal and a weak leader, one must be tougher. Stalin raised the level of production from 49 to 118% of level 40.

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: Army1

I am worried about one Question! GDP covers them, or is he just a loyal and weak leader,

but no matter how you twist it is not in its place.

[Larus]

Bravo, it turns out that Putin bought all the officials are deceiving, but he doesn’t see anything)) Do not tell, because. Putin can’t do anything for our money, which is stolen, for 13 years now, and piece cases give out for fucking changes.

[Lord of the Sith]

If only Putin, like Gorbachev or Yeltsin, was breaking up Russia and drawing out all the juices. Then he would be awarded various world prizes and grants and clapped on the shoulder. And so they only condemn the dictatorial regime and all sorts of acts of the magnetic and other matters in the European courts start. Then Alekseeva and others would not hiss. also liberal hamsters would not hiss and curse the president’s name.

[VseDoFeNi]

Our main enemy, the Anglo-Saxons, the hands of corrupt brainless communists ruined our country twice in the last century. In 1917 and in 1991. It seems to me that you are a patriot of AI, not Russia.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

Our main enemy, the Anglo-Saxons,

I am more and more inclined to think that our main and most dangerous enemy is ourselves.

[yak69]

Quote: VseDoFeNi

the hands of corrupt brainless communists ruined our country twice in the last century. In 1917 and in 1991

Our main enemies are opportunists, cowards and brainless fools (like you) who do not have the mind to understand what is happening!
Haite the communists ?! Stalin and many of his prominent associates who ruled the country were communists. The country, which has made a colossal leap in development, did so under the leadership of the Communist Party. And the country in 91 was destroyed by traitors who made their way into the party for this very purpose, and even the citizens themselves, screaming "Boris, our king!"

[yak69]

And reading such articles is nice! As if life-giving balm on the heart!
The soul rejoices at such news!

[luka095]

Dear, but after the February Revolution of 1917, it was not the Communists who came to power, but the predecessors of modern liberals. And they did so in a few months that the mess in the country by October 1917 was already unlimited.
So the liberals of that time are brainless.
And about the Anglo-Saxons - I completely agree. This is a system adversary.
Regarding 1991, it was not the Communists who were at the helm; they simply were members of the CPSU. Agree that this is not the same thing.

[Lord of the Sith]

What is the truth in the fact that you knowingly or mistakenly made a mistake on the 6 starts of the Mace? Instead of 18 starts, they wrote 12. Is this true?

[kris]

So I would like to read similar news in the complex:
First, how much do we get?
Secondly, how much do we write off?
Only in this way will a clear picture be seen of what will be in the navy.

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: kris

So I would like to read similar news in the complex

Navy composition table before 2010. overall, to date, the dynamics have not changed
http://www.murm.severm.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.127

[kris]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

Navy composition table before 2010. overall, to date, the dynamics have not changed
http://www.murm.severm.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.127

Thank you.
In the 90s, I saw myself how the KChF was on sale.
Admirals became very wealthy people.

[shpuntik]

kris Today, 12:15 ↑
In the 90s, I saw myself how the KChF was on sale.
That's for sure. There were six screws at the factory, one of them is titanium, in the open. Suddenly, one night, they were gone. China was near ...
Before that, they were covered with a tarpaulin: so that they would not be "copied".
The mess went, do not stop. Who guards what he has.
Ah, the size of the screws is good, like on a schB ...

[submex]

An interesting table, but incorrect, the information is very distorted

[submex]

An interesting table, but incorrect, the information is very distorted

Quote: Patriot of Russia

Quote: kris

So I would like to read similar news in the complex

Navy composition table before 2010. overall, to date, the dynamics have not changed
http://www.murm.severm.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.127

[submex]

to the patriot of Russia: the table is false, you don’t know the situation in the fleet yourself - do not mislead people. I do not see patriotism in underestimating the actual composition of the Russian Navy.

[Kolya]

"The housing problem also worries those who have worked at enterprises in the defense industry for decades, but have not received an apartment." - the multibillion-dollar military-industrial complex was plundered, and the people who worked there do not have the bare essentials.

[vovxu]

ghoul come out !!!!!!

[Nick]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

Navy composition table before 2010. overall, to date, the dynamics have not changed
http://www.murm.severm.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.127

On this site, the data is underestimated at times! Here are the data on the composition of the fleet for 2013: http: //www.russian-ships.info/

[Nick]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

Out of 12 launches, 5 were "recognized as successful"

Not true! Before the Bulava was put into service, 18 launches were carried out, of which 10 were successful and 2 were partially successful, and the last six were all successful. And in general, each new product requires testing and refinement, without this there is nothing.

[Lord of the Sith]

I’ve just brought an infographic on launches - 12 successful ones.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Patriot of Russia

The "Bulava" has passed. "If you suffer for a long time, something will work out." Out of 12 launches, 5 were "recognized as successful". Billions of Ugrohans. If we assume that this is a success, then okay

The mace has been fully tested and adopted.

[Lord of the Sith]

This is who is looking for and how to perceive information. Here you have the infographics from the same RIA news. Of the 18 launches, 12 are successful.

Clickable Image

[vovxu]

, here you are a ghoul, anyhow, to shit in every news you will find what domakhatsya. And do not care that the fleet is being updated, just scream "fucked up polymers" - here you are stoned liberals ..... kapets

[Lord of the Sith]

Yeah, 2 of them were late for a month. Well for effects we write "received less this year1111" In January we received that we did not manage to get it before NG.

[waisson]

not perspective thought

[Phantom Revolution]

We cannot compete with amers in military budgets, we do not print candy wrappers.

[DPN]

Correctly, not a single fragment of the USSR will be able to compete with the states in the next 50 years. If there were no Soviet nuclear forces, Russia would have collapsed long ago, so this is a great holiday for our HOMELAND, God forbid that they stop at this and keep them on duty constantly off the coast of the states.

[patsantre]

You might think that besides typing candy wrappers they do nothing.

[Lord of the Sith]

I agree, they still buy generals for candy wrappers and then capture the country. After that, contracts go to the United States for the extraction of raw materials. They buy weapons for candy wrappers and again seize countries.

[Nick]

Quote: patsantre

You might think that besides typing candy wrappers they do nothing.

They do, but the candy wrappers are the main thing ...

[wolk71]

The number is not always the case; the quality and power of weapons, as well as tactics and speed of striking, more often decide.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

...... Do you know how much the RPK SN country needs for sufficient defense ????. Read for interest in the military literature ....... the number of boats only affects the survivability (survival) of them ..... ..and with the modern capabilities of missile systems, launch can be carried out even from the pier, .... even from the Caspian Lake ... to overtake the boat there in the dock is elementary .... (this is of course from the realm of fantasy) but the meaning is that ... ....... And a successful salvo of only one boat will leave, for example, a charred desert from all the US ....

[Delta]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

and with the modern capabilities of missile systems, launch can be carried out even from the pier, .... even from the Caspian Lake ... to overtake the boat there in the dock is elementary .... (this is of course from the realm of fantasy) but the point is exactly that ..... ..... And a successful salvo of only one boat will leave, for example, a charred desert from all the US ....

And why, then, generally placing them on a submarine? let everyone be located in mines, on the ground

[Old_kapitan]

And why, then, generally placing them on a submarine? let everyone be located in mines, on the ground

I think he meant that the more boats, the greater the chance that at least one would survive by the time H, and there would be enough of her to show the Americans the sky in diamonds.

[redwar6]

What about the Yankees? Let them exist. But we are building boats.

[Army1]

Three will arrive, not three in service

[Gluxar_]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

Have you considered how many amers have ?.

A strange question, is it difficult to see for yourself?
The United States has not built nuclear missile carriers for about 17 years; it is an Ohio class. And ordinary nuclear submarines are still being built. 2 pieces were laid 2 years ago, the deadlines are still unclear, and now there is also a budget sequestration. And these are Virginia project boats, with an underwater displacement of 2 times less than our Ash trees.

[tlauicol]

Ohio is also 2.5 times smaller than Typhoon, and there are more missiles on it. Moreover, more accurate and reliable. And how many Ash-trees do we have to compare?

[WIN969]

Russia relies not on quantity, but on the quality of equipment, one of our submarines is valued as 10 Amer.

[APOCALIPTIC]

Quote: WIN969

Russia relies not on quantity, but on the quality of equipment, one of our submarines is valued as 10 Amer.

Nonsense, not 10 but like 50 !!!!!!!

[patsantre]

Who is valued? Brainless underpatriots?

[Alexei]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

Have you considered how many amers have ?.

Why the hell when you count them (submarines). You seem to be reasonable ...

[Andrey Yuryevich]

the thicker, the less misses ...

[Good Ukraine]

Quote: Reasonable, 2,3

Have you considered how many amers have ?.

And why should we consider them?
To count, there are such "Intelligents" as you.

[AndreyAB]

Believed and what? Those missiles are currently enough to burn the ball into a light one, and the quantity transferred to the quality removes the quantitative indicator. I understand that it is abstruse but something like that.

[Civil]

no longer funny ... which year promise

[Hunghuz]

According to the defense order, in 2010 10 rocket catamarans should be built) And where they ....... ???????? Under Stalin, the cavalry was already shot and lousy) but the plan for Aligarham was underfulfilled ......))

[Army1]

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CC%E0%EB%FB%E5_%F0%E0%EA%E5%F2%ED%FB%E5_%EA%EE%F0%
E0%E1%EB%E8_%EF%F0%EE%E5%EA%F2%E0_21631
Do not confuse people, they have been building since 2010, and they will not build in 2010, already 2 have been built are being built 3.

[era1979]

all this is not true

[AndreyAB]

If only Chubais was not involved in modernization, then he would.

[Krapovy32]

Our submarine fleet is our pride. We would not spare only money for re-equipment and training of personnel.

[Belo_ticketnik]

3 boats is good, if only there would be no overlays again this year

[Canep]

I can comment on the phrase from the cartoon: - "It will not be enough." Hopefully by the year 20 they will build what is planned.

[nikolas 83]

In the photo a beautiful boat

[Canep]

Not sure, in my 705 "Lear". 41 submerged knots (76 km / h).

[Old_kapitan]

What is "Lyra"? She has a man-sized cabin! This is Project 885 Severodvinsk.

[Canep]

Thank you for the clarification.

[Old_kapitan]

Yes, not at all, I just saw "Lira" - she is near "Ash" like a moped near KAMAZ

[Patriot of Russia]

Quote: nikolas 83

In the photo a beautiful boat

I highly recommend watching these photos, the Soviet FMF in modern Russia

http://open-eyes-russia.com/society/army-weapons/443-deleting-the-navy-to-russia

.html
this is power! still sawing and enough for another 20 years

[nikolas 83]

It is a pity that the boats do not make the boats according to the typhoon project. They are so huge, probably the largest.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: nikolas 83

It is a pity that the boats do not make the boats according to the typhoon project. They are so huge, probably the largest.

You will probably be surprised, but the length of these submarines shown in the photo is almost the same, the difference is 2-3 meters.

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

It is not a matter of length, but of displacement, all the more so since the Sharks (Typhoons) 941 ave.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

It is not a matter of length, but of displacement, all the more so since the Sharks (Typhoons) 941 ave.

By displacement pr.941 is twice as much as pr.955
Well, the possibilities in the ice of the Arctic are different.
What Wikipedia gives
The design feature of the boat is the presence inside the light hull of five inhabited strong hulls. Two of them are basic, have a maximum diameter of 10 m and are located parallel to each other, according to the principle of a catamaran. In front of the ship, between the main strong hulls, are the missile silos, which were first placed in front of the wheelhouse [22]. In addition, there are three separate airtight compartments: a torpedo compartment, a control module compartment with a central post and a stern mechanical compartment. The removal and placement of three compartments into the space between the main hulls made it possible to increase the fire safety and survivability of the boat. [23] According to the general designer S. N. Kovalev

[Old_kapitan]

And what does the ice of the Arctic have to do with it? Vitality, it is either there or not. No matter where. Take our dead boats, even one lost in the ice? And we broke the ice in the 81 body, as you see, I’m writing ...

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Vitality, it is either there or not.

And what is wrong with Shark survivability, or even maneuverability compared to other strategists except for Boreev. Not a single Shark died.

Quote: Old_Kapitan

And we broke the ice in the 81st building, as you see I write ...

Is it not on Squid by accident?

[Old_kapitan]

And what is wrong with Shark survivability, or even maneuverability compared to other strategists except for Boreev. Not a single Shark died.

I'm not talking about survivability at all, I'm wondering what the Arctic has to do with it? But it didn’t die ... So neither did the "Murena" die, but many more were built. And they went to the seas much, much more, since the beginning of the 70s.

Is it not on Squid by accident?

"Krlmar" was later, I think in 83rd, and the first was K-447 pr. 667B "Murena", in July 81st.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Yes, I'm not talking about survivability at all, I'm interested in what does the Arctic have to do with it?

Ice shark can break thicker, therefore, the sector of military use it has is larger, but somewhere, as I understand it, it may be wrong. I am not against the Boreans; I am just sorry for pr. 941.

[Old_kapitan]

Ice shark can break thicker, therefore, the sector of military use it has is larger, but somewhere, as I understand it, it may be wrong. I am not against the Boreans; I am just sorry for pr. 941.

You will be pleasantly surprised - there from the edge of the pack ice to the very pole the thickness is approximately the same - 2-4 m, although it happens up to 10 and more, but rarely. And why did you get the idea that the Shark breaks thicker ice?
And about "sorry" ... If you mean the cut - I'm sorry too. Only there is no point in building new ones.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

And why did you get the idea that the Shark breaks thicker ice?

Everything is much simpler: the boat gets under the "Spat" without moving, slowly floats up, breaks the ice with its hull.
And if there is no progress, then probably the tanks of the main ballast are blown, but the Shark has a lot of ballast and consequently the buoyancy after blowing will be great, somewhere like that.

[Old_kapitan]

We’ll talk tomorrow, while I’m disconnecting.

[Old_kapitan]

About the "Shpat" system. You probably know that without moving the boat cannot stay in place, it either floats up with positive buoyancy, or - having negative buoyancy - sinks. To the very bottom ... It's like a predator of the seas - a shark. These fish, unlike the rest, do not have a swim bladder and are forced to be in motion all the time. So they came up with this system: as soon as a stopped boat starts to fall through, water begins to be pumped out of special tanks by pumps of the "Shpat" system and the boat floats up. Automation immediately switches the pumps to pumping and the boat fails again, etc. etc. That is, the boat does not stand still, it "walks" up and down (not much, of course).
Now about the law of Archimedes. Theoretically, you are right: the volume of "Shark" is much larger than "Borealis", which means that the buoyancy force is greater. But! The buoyancy force even in Borey is such that it is time to think not about the thickness of the ice, but about the strength of the structures. Otherwise it will crack like a nut.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

The buoyancy force even in Borey is such that it is time to think not about the thickness of the ice, but about the strength of the structures. Otherwise it will crack like a nut.

I dare to suggest that the construction of the Shark is stronger than Borea in the maximum immersion depth (though not by much). And yet, two catamaran-type hulls and a robust wheelhouse create a triangle in cross section, and the triangle is the strongest figure.
Also, if one of the sides is hit, the boat will most likely not lose mobility and continue to carry out its task, Borea has less chance.

Quote: Old_Kapitan

About the "Shpat" system. You probably know

In general, I saw the submarine only on the TV screen and computer, you probably already suggested that.

[Old_kapitan]

I dare to suggest that the construction of the Shark is stronger than Borea in the maximum immersion depth (though not by much).

20 meters? Let me tell you a secret - this figure is relatively conditional. When "Komsomolets" went to the limit (1000 m), the submariners conferred and plunged to 1025 m.

And yet, two catamaran-type hulls and a robust wheelhouse create a triangle in cross section, and the triangle is the strongest figure.

Since when? The strongest is a ball or an ellipsoid. Remember the bathyscaphes.

Also, if one of the sides is hit, the boat will most likely not lose mobility and continue to carry out its task, Borea has less chance.

Extremely erroneous opinion. K-8 sank due to a fire in 1 from 9 compartments, K-219 due to an explosion in 1 from 14 mines located in 1 from 10 compartments.

In general, I saw the submarine only on the TV screen and computer, you probably already suggested that.

So what? Apparently, you are a curious person, so you might well have known. Not about "Spat", of course, but about the fact that the boat sinks without movement.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Since when? The strongest is a ball or an ellipsoid. Remember the bathyscaphes.

The ball is the optimal shape of the object, provided that when the force from all directions of the medium is the same, and when considering the supports it is a triangle, it is found everywhere: structures of bridges, tower cranes, roofs, etc. .. Design with a minimum number of connections, so that In this case, I will not agree with you.

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Extremely erroneous opinion. K-8 sank due to a fire in 1 from 9 compartments, K-219 due to an explosion in 1 from 14 mines located in 1 from 10 compartments.

K-8, K-219 is the lineup from which Borey came from (with one solid case), but I wrote about the Shark, which has several strong cases that are separated by transitions.

Quote: Old_Kapitan

So what? Apparently, you are a curious person, so you might well have known. Not about "Spat", of course, but about the fact that the boat sinks without movement.

To be honest, before communicating with you, I did not know that the boat is constantly in motion, I did not think about it, and indeed it is practically impossible to balance such a huge ship with blowing and pumping, it is remotely reminiscent of riding a bicycle, besides, the professional concept of "Spat" it was familiar.

[Old_kapitan]

I am leaving on duty, we will continue tomorrow (there is something to talk about, if you do not mind).

[FREGATENKAPITAN]

I did not understand a little about the opportunities in the Arctic ??? ... The possibilities are normal ..... with a start signal, it starts at the rate of a torpedo (Ya) to open ice and launch - 16-20 ICBMs .... .beneath the ice, no one sees the boat ... and if the PKK SN escaped pursuit when leaving the base ... then ...... hello to the participants

[Waterfall]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

nobody sees a boat under the ice

American submarines apparently drowned everything ...

[Old_kapitan]

American submarines apparently drowned everything ...

Why did you drown? I have already told in the comments to the article "Very Cold War. Special Operations in the Arctic" - under the ice the hydroacoustic situation is such that the boat will hear the boat only by almost sticking its nose into it.

[Old_kapitan]

I did not understand a little about the opportunities in the Arctic ??? ... The possibilities are normal ..... with a start signal, it starts at the rate of a torpedo (Ya) to open ice and launch - 16-20 ICBMs .... .beneath the ice, no one sees the boat ... and if the PKK SN escaped pursuit when leaving the base ... then ...... hello to the participants

Where does this information come from? Everything is much simpler: the boat gets under the "Spat" without moving, slowly floats up, breaks the ice with its hull, and then it goes on.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: FREGATENKAPITAN

I did not understand a little about the opportunities in the Arctic ??? ..

Yes, you correctly understood about the opportunities in the Arctic, but again I have a question, what is the probability that when using a torpedo with nuclear warheads the boat itself will not be caught in the wave, and have such tests been carried out in reality?

[Old_kapitan]

I today in 18: 50 told how this is actually done (I have a real photo on the avatar after that ascent). If we assume that the commander went crazy, decided to break the ice with a nuclear torpedo, then even if after the explosion at a maximum distance the boat survives (a hydraulic shock will be more powerful than an air blast wave), then while it sweeps there, all conceivable forces of the NATO PLO will already be there .

[Nick]

Quote: nikolas 83

It is a pity that the boats do not make the boats according to the typhoon project. They are so huge, probably the largest.

This is for sure, and besides this, very tenacious due to its design features, but the Typhoons have one major drawback, they are too noticeable for modern detection equipment.

[Old_kapitan]

Damn, what a fashion minus on the sly! I do not agree - deny it, maybe I will agree. Although in this case not, even though "They are so huge, probably the most were." Why produce these mastadons, "if the Boreas are much better?

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Why produce these mastadons, "if" Boreas "are much better?

Anecdote
Armenians are sitting at the table opposite the Georgians.
Suddenly the Georgians get up and say:
- Georgians are better than Armenians.
Then the Armenians jump up and say:
-What's better.
- Than the Armenians.
The Georgians answer.

[Old_kapitan]

Yeah ... And a few trillions of infrastructure for them ...

[Canep]

Typhoon is gigantomania. Its dimensions in my opinion were determined by the dimensions of the missiles. Although you, divers, should like to go hiking with a sauna and a swimming pool.

[Old_kapitan]

Yes, the trip is not to the pools with saunas for any I had a shower in the compartment in the vestibule - that’s raspberry! And you don’t have to go anywhere.
As for the dimensions - missiles (17 m P-39 versus 14 m the largest at that time P-29) plus 2 robust hulls.

[Evgeniy667b]

Dear Old Kapitan! I totally agree with you about the submarine monsters. In the Soviet Union, it was a mania. Better to have less and more. And then one Typhoon will fall out of the system, very noticeably. Optimal multipurpose project 705th, 670th for long-range CD. On the basis of "Losharik" it is possible to design normal submarines, but what about SSBNs, let there be Borei

[Delta]

Quote: nikolas 83

It is a pity that the boats do not make the boats according to the typhoon project. They are so huge, probably the largest.

yeah, and the noisiest. The most easily detectable. So there is nothing special to regret. Nostalgia is not practical.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: Delta

yeah, and the noisiest. The most easily detectable. So there is nothing special to regret.

There is an opinion of submariners who served in the Sharks.
andreitk20 March 12, 2013 17:54 ↑
I don’t know what you saw, but I’ll answer so that when the missiles were disposed of in 2001 by blasting when 12 missiles were launched, then the observers from America very quickly went to their cabin, since the Americans did not achieve such reliability until now.
they have a crew with a smaller size of 180 people, in contrast to the 170 shark crew.
In terms of noise, the TK-20 at the time of the descent was close to Ohio, and then the lack of repair led to its growth.
The competition between BDRMi and Sharks had a great impact on the fate of sharks, so as the fate of which ships to decide at that time was decisive, a strong role was played by the fleet commanders coming from dpl bdrm. Moreover, since 1997, all division commanders have been temporary workers - newcomers and they were on them
that's why we have ships that were designed in 60 years, and more and more freshly cut first of all "patriots" bdrm your ship is all that could be squeezed out of azuha.

[APASUS]

New boats are good, of course, but these boats were built exclusively for the Bulava missile. And here we have not everything in order, but it’s just an empty piece of metal!

[crocodile25]

Quote: APASUS

New boats are good, of course, but these boats were built exclusively for the Bulava missile. And here we have not everything in order, but it’s just an empty piece of metal!

I mean, not everything has been all right recently since 2011, like everything was a bundle.

[tlauicol]

Trident out St. 130 accident-free starts in a row! But the Mace was adopted sooner because of hopelessness - the money was spent on development, and the boats need to be armed. Sadly, that's all.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Tlauicol

Sadly that's all.

go cry for the echo of Moscow.

[Nitup]

Trident during tests undermine in the air some time after launch. And this is considered to be a successful test for them. And in our country, the defeat of all targets at the training ground is considered successful. Do you feel the difference? All tests of the Mace since 2010 have been successful. And, besides, the number of failures during the tests of the Mace is comparable to that of the tests of Soviet missiles, which were subsequently adopted and considered the best missiles. That's why they are tested to understand what is wrong and fix it. Another thing is if the missiles already adopted for service fail.

[tlauicol]

The flight path of Trident rockets launched from the US Eastern training ground begins at Cape Canaveral and stretches south-east along the ridge of the Bahamas, over the island of Grand Turk (Eng. Grand Turk Island) (1280 km from the launch pad), Puerto Rico (1600 km ), along the coast of Guiana (3500 km), Brazil (6000 km), across the Atlantic Ocean to Cape of Good Hope on the southern coast of Africa (12 km) and across the Indian Ocean to Antarctica (000 km). Along the flight path of the rocket are funds that track the flight of the rocket. These include ground stations, surface ships and aircraft

[bddrus]

How many thousands of kilometers did you count? What a marvelous range?

[416494]

And they refuel in the air.

[a jacket]

Quote: bddrus

How many thousands of kilometers did you count? What a marvelous range?

It looks like a round trip. Plus on the road flew on business.

[Old_kapitan]

Lord Where did you get this heresy?

[Old_kapitan]

They launched themselves, al told who? When the Trident was tested, there were no Internet connections, and it was not customary to talk about successful or unsuccessful launches. Do you know how many successful launches of R-29 (D-9 complex) were? So I'll tell you - as many as 172 in a row! Refute me.

[tlauicol]

The flight path of Trident rockets launched from the US Eastern training ground begins at Cape Canaveral and stretches south-east along the ridge of the Bahamas, over the island of Grand Turk (Eng. Grand Turk Island) (1280 km from the launch pad), Puerto Rico (1600 km ), along the coast of Guiana (3500 km), Brazil (6000 km), across the Atlantic Ocean to Cape of Good Hope on the southern coast of Africa (12 km) and across the Indian Ocean to Antarctica (000 km). Along the flight path of the rocket are funds that track the flight of the rocket. These include ground stations, surface ships and aircraft

[tlauicol]

172 failed starts? This is bad

[vilenich]

Quote: Tlauicol

172 failed starts? This is bad

On the contrary, successful!

Quote: Old_Kapitan

Do you know how many successful launches of the R-29 (D-9 complex) were? So I'll tell you - as many as 172 in a row!

[tlauicol]

it's great ! especially against the background of the mace

[DPN]

It is easier for Russia to produce billionaires than to build new plants and pay a good salary from here is all sadness. The course of the country is as follows.

[Nitup]

The course of the country, fortunately, is not so. And new factories are being built, and salaries, although not so fast, are growing.

[APOCALIPTIC]

the man told the truth and they blundered how. That's right, the truth is unnecessary here, we need opium for the people

[Ascetic]

Quote: Tlauicol

Trident out St. 130 accident-free starts in a row! But the Mace was adopted sooner because of hopelessness - the money was spent on development, and the boats need to be armed. Sadly, that's all.

Something today there are a lot of raids on "Bulava" to the place and out of place .. The order has gone like this .. Who would it be?

Quote: Tlauicol

Trident out St. 130 accident-free starts in a row!

Mar 21, 1989 4 seconds after the start of the flight, at an altitude of 68 m (225 ft), a missile exploded. The failure occurred due to a mechanical or electronic malfunction in the gimbal of the nozzle controlling the rocket. The reason for the self-destruction of the rocket was high angular velocity and overload.
02.08.89/XNUMX/XNUMX Test was successful
15.08.89/1/8, the 4st stage solid propellant rocket ignited normally, but an automatic missile detonation system worked XNUMX seconds after the launch and XNUMX seconds after the rocket left the water. The cause of the rocket explosion was damage to the thrust vector control system of the solid propellant rocket engine and, as a result, deviation from the calculated flight path. Damage was also received by email. cables of the first stage, which initiated the on-board self-destruction system.
04.12.89/XNUMX/XNUMX Test was successful
13.12.89/XNUMX/XNUMX Test was successful
13.12.89/37,5/3 Test was successful. The missile was launched from a depth of 4 m. The submarine moved at a speed of 175-97 knots relative to water. The absolute speed was zero. The course of the submarine was XNUMX degrees, the launch azimuth is XNUMX degrees.
15.12.90/XNUMX/XNUMX The fourth successful launch in a row from underwater.
16.01.90 The test was successful.
Test launches from the submarine revealed the need to make changes to the design of the first stage of the rocket and the launch shaft, which ultimately led to a delay in the acceptance of the missile for armament and a decrease in its flight range. The designers had to solve the problem of protecting the nozzle block from the effects of the water column that occurs when SLBMs leave the water. After completing the tests, Trident-D5 entered service in 1990.

Well, then yes, in October 2012. 143 missile launches from the English submarine were carried out. But the Mace has not yet been conducted combat training launches from a standard carrier.

The number of test launches of SLBMs in 1959-2008

[APASUS]

Quote: krokodil25

I mean, not everything has been all right recently since 2011, like everything was a bundle.

Are you talking about that ?? What a bunch ??
State continued testing
The number of starts 19
- successful 11
- unsuccessful 6
- partially unsuccessful 2
Boats out of the docks, but no missiles !!
Is this luck?

[crocodile25]

In short, it has already been adopted and to stamp them is already a matter of time !!!

[APASUS]

Quote: krokodil25

In short, it has already been adopted and to stamp them is already a matter of time !!!

Stamped cans for canned food, and the production process for the construction of a rocket such as Bulava can go on for years.
You know, dear puncher, that one 9M96E1 missile used in the S-300 takes 2 years !!!
So don't write nonsense! The missiles must be ready before the boat leaves the dock! Otherwise it turns out that we will have three boats, and the missiles are still being "stamped" !!

[crocodile25]

Well ***. If something is not clear, then I wrote this question of time, where are you in a hurry, dear?

[Nitup]

What nonsense ??? The mace has long been adopted.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Nitup

What nonsense ??? The mace has long been adopted.

Do not mislead people. Since 2013, it has been accepted for "trial" operation.
Now they promise to take into service after the proposed launch in 2013
http://globalconflict.ru/armed-forces/16055-npo-avtomatiki-v-2013-godu-planiruet
sya-do-dvux-puskov-bulavy
Database readiness is promised for 2014.

[AleksUkr]

Nuclear submarine missile carriers of the Borey project have a displacement of 24 tons and are capable of diving to a depth of 450 meters. The submarines are capable of speeds up to 29 knots. In addition to the missile silos for the R-30, the submarines have six torpedo tubes.

WHAT CONCERNS BASIC WEAPONS:
1. In September 2005, the first launch of the Bulava was made from the surface. The tests were successful.
2. In December 2005, Bulava launched from a submerged position. The tests were successful.
3. In September 2006, launch from a submerged position. A few minutes after the start, the Bulava deviated from the set trajectory and fell.
4. In October 2006, the launch from an underwater position. The rocket deviated from the trajectory.
5. In December 2006, the Bulava self-destructed a few minutes after the launch.
6. In June 2007, a partially successful start. One of the warheads did not reach the target.
7. In November 2007 "Bulava" deviated from the trajectory and fell into the sea.
8. In September 2008, the flight of the rocket was normal. At the final stage of the flight, a malfunction in the operation of the warhead breeding system occurred.
9. November 28, 2008 a successful test launch of the rocket.
10. In December 2008, the Bulava, after being launched from the nuclear submarine cruiser Dmitry Donskoy, self-destructed by exploding in the air.
On July 11.15, 2009, the Bulava self-destructed due to the abnormal operation of the first stage.
12. November 9, 2009 failure in the work of the third stage.
13. October 7, 2010 successful launch.
14. October 29, 2010. Successful launch from the Dmitry Donskoy SSBN
15. 28 June 2011. The first launch from the standard launch vehicle of the L-535 SSBN Yuri Dolgoruky. The start-up was recognized as successful.
16. August 27, 2011. Successful launch from the Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear submarine to the maximum range.
17. October 28, 2011. Successful launch from the nuclear submarine "Yuri Dolgoruky"
18. December 23, 2011. Successful salvo launch of two Bulava missiles from the Yuri Dolgoruky nuclear submarine

In June 2009, after another unsuccessful launch of the Bulava, the chief designer of the rocket and director of the Moscow Institute of Thermal Engineering Yuri Semyonovich Solomonov resigned, which was accepted. Alexander Sukhodolskiy headed the development of Bulava.
On March 20, 2012, Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov announced the successful completion of the Bulava trials.

Notes:
1 - the maximum range of 9300 km was achieved during the 16th test launch on August 27, 2011.

“The Navy has absolutely no reason to doubt the reliability of this new solid-fuel marine rocket,” S. Ivanov said, answering journalists' questions in Severomorsk.

Ivanov noted that the Bulava’s tests were completed before the Yuri Dolgoruky missile carrier itself was completed. 11.01.2013/XNUMX/XNUMX
Read more: http://vpk-news.ru/news/13935

[Kaa]

Quote: APASUS

Boats out of the docks, but no missiles !!

Maybe the point is that successful launches began after these events? “Today, on May 18, a closed trial against a citizen of the Russian Federation A. Gniteev, an employee of the special-mode FSUE NPO Avtomatiki im. Academician NA Semikhatov "accused of high treason (Art. 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation).
The investigation of the case was conducted by the Investigative Department of the FSB of Russia, the reason for its initiation was the operational materials of the FSB of the Russian Federation for the Sverdlovsk Region. The investigation established that Gnitev, on instructions from representatives of foreign special services, collected and transmitted information, incl. constituting a state secret, about domestic developments in the field of rocketry. As reported to Nakanune.RU in the press service of the FSB of the region, by the decision of the Sverdlovsk Regional Court Gniteev was found guilty of committing a crime under Art. 275 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (high treason) and he was sentenced to 8 years in prison in a strict regime colony. Recall, as previously reported, we are talking about transferring information about the Bulava missile control system. The FSB does not specify which country the technologies were transferred to. At the same time, a source in the region's law enforcement agencies told Nakanune.RU that this is a "huge Western state." However, the source does not specify what kind of state it is, since “the case may be continued http://www.nakanune.ru/news/2012/5/18/22274313/
On Wednesday, in the St. Petersburg City Court, the verdict was announced to two professors of the Baltic State Technical University (BSTU "Voenmech") Yevgeny Afanasyev and Svyatoslav Bobyshev. Both scientists were found guilty of transferring information constituting state secrets to China, in particular concerning the Russian sea-based intercontinental ballistic missile Bulava. However, the degree of participation in the crime of each of them and the terms of imprisonment differ slightly. So, Evgeny Afanasyev was found guilty of high treason and sentenced to 12,5 years in a strict regime colony. And Svyatoslav Bobyshev was guilty of aiding Afanasyev and sentenced to 12 years. Scientists from Voenmekh have repeatedly traveled to China to give lectures at local universities. And at some point in this country we met a group of comrades who, as it turned out, were employees of the local special services. The latter were very interested in Russian developments in the military sphere, especially missile systems. In the verdict, in relation to what the defendants wrote in their notebooks and spoke about, the names such as "Bulava", "Topol-M", "Iskander", "Borey", etc. were repeatedly mentioned.
According to the judge, the Russians could not help but realize at some point that they were dealing with Chinese intelligence agents. However, they not only did not report where they should be contacted, but, realizing that this could harm Russia, they passed on to them information that constitutes state secrets. FSB operatives also found secret information in the laptops of the professors while inspecting their belongings at Pulkovo Airport, when they had already returned from China. And in the notebooks of professors appeared the names of Chinese spies. http://blackseafleet-21.com/news/21-06-2012_v-koloniju-za-bulavu-dva-professora-
Baltijskogo-Gosudarstvennogo-tehnicogo-universite
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[VohaAhov]

This means that in 2013 the fleet will include not 3, but 4 nuclear submarines. In January 2013, the Yuri Dolgoruky APKSN joined the fleet. If everything is "covered in chocolate", then this is not bad, but simply wonderful. Keep it up!!!

[Chuck-norris]

Even 20 boats per year will not be enough for polymers, just to crap the country. How can one enjoy humiliating, insulting something? Is this a new upbringing? Offer something interesting, unique and to the point! Think with your head and not your ass.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Chuck-Norris

Even 20 boats a year will not be enough for polymers

they think that building boats is like baking pies, or how to make cars, they say 2-3 boats a month are needed))) no one in the world builds a month and half a boat.

[Chuck-norris]

People with an active civic stance today consider it right to shit on their country. Call it “roissay” or “rashka” (yes, with a small letter), add some swear word to the distorted name, underestimate all our successes and exaggerate all our failures.

This behavior would be understandable if they worked, say, for the States and followed the instructions received at the State Department. However, the harsh truth of life is that only the very top of the unsystematic opposition craps Russia for grants. The vast majority of belolentochnyh writes honestly and disinterestedly, for the idea.

Let's figure out their perverted logic. Why do they consider themselves the right in every possible way to dishonor and insult Russia?

1. In the first place, perhaps, is the traditional meanness of bad parents who scold their children so that they “shake themselves up” and become better. Say, Vasya, you are a lazy person and a foolish person, become a hardworking clever girl, otherwise you will get drunk, go to jail and end up under the fence.

2. Another reason to blame Russia is personal accounts. Like, my uncle’s rights were taken away when he drove out into a drunken lane and crushed a traffic cop. When considering the case, the judge did not interrogate the uncle's witnesses. The bloody regime is worthy of destruction; you cannot feel safe in this filthy country.

3. Next is the position of the Captain transferred to the medical unit of Evidence. “You smoke,” the bitchy grandmother sitting on the bench happily informs you, “you need to quit smoking, otherwise you will die of cancer six months later.” According to the grandmother’s logic, the smoker should thank her for valuable information: he himself did not know before that smoking is harmful to health and did not at all associate cigarettes with such a terrible disease as cancer.

4. Often there is a kind of "principle of Stalin." The essence of the idea is that Stalin first fought backward Tsarist Russia almost with German money, and then built a powerful and modern Soviet Union on its ruins.

5. Sometimes the principle "friend of my enemy is my enemy." Kreakly believe that officials are to blame for all their troubles - from impotence to obesity. Thus, patriots who do not consider the revolution and mass shootings to be the best option for the development of Russia automatically become their enemies too. And since patriots love Russia, then the best way to hurt them is to spoil their subject of love and pride.

6. The next item is the habit of kissing the West, which has buried itself in the blood of many creaks. Since the nineteenth century, they believe that Russia is worthy only to crawl in front of the West on its knees, and are incredibly shy when the leadership of our country dares to contradict the white gentlemen. As Dostoevsky rightly noted at the time, “Our Russian liberal is, first and foremost, a lackey and is just watching how to clean someone’s boots.”

7. Residents of other countries, from Ukraine to Canada, deserve special mention. Their reasons for shitting on Russia are so transparent that they need no explanation.

8. And perhaps the main reason. This is fashion. When a person with a weak character sees that everyone around is mocking his Motherland, he needs a lot of courage to go against the “collective” and directly declare that his friends are Sodomites and he is d'Artagnan. It’s much easier to convince yourself that millions of flies cannot make mistakes, and join the unstable chorus of shrill voices.

As you can see, I have listed a significant part of the excuses that creacles resort to when they justify their spitting in the direction of Russia. However, I am sure that this list is far from complete. Please complement me in the comments.

[lecturer]

Chuck-Norris: ... However, I'm sure this list is far from complete. Please complement me in the comments.
YES, YES ... and a thousand times YES !!! I shake your hand, and ask permission to insert your word in the comment:
- The result of the upbringing of our younger generation! Unfortunately, the words of parents who love their children: "no armies, we got in our years (hunger, hazing ...!)," No factories or vocational schools "(only at Yur.Fak!)!. We cannot or do not want to understand that we are raising our own idlers, licks, cowards ... etc. Unfortunately, back in the 90s, our boys glared at films like "Police Academy", where they had a "worldview" 2-3 months, "YOU" graduated from the Academy (!), You are the king, the master of the World !!!. I look forward to continuing the thought!
I would like to follow on further additions to the comment by Chuck-Norris

[djon3volta]

you see 3 new boats will go into operation, and you are talking about housing and communal services and corruption.
last week, they showed an electricity bill in Germany, a piece of paper, for light - 2XX euros, more than 200 euros ONLY for light !!! I wind up 450-500 rubles, this is about 12-13 euros per month, and in Germany 200 Euro per month!
that's why I am for Putin and the Navy, and not for Germany with its standard of living.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: djon3volta

you see 3 new boats will go into operation, and you are talking about housing and communal services and corruption.

Is there a connection?

[sergeschern]

There is always a connection. Here is the money stolen by our officials, but put into business, but. ... ... simple people puff: "Home / Finance / Article" Indexation of salaries of military personnel will be suspended for a year "
Indexation of salaries of military personnel will be suspended for a year

30.11.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX Posted by Veniamin SergeevRubrika: Finances No reviews »
Rosbalt

The Federation Council approved a law suspending the provision on indexation of military personnel salaries in the amount of inflation until January 1, 2014, this is stated in the official message of the Federation Council.

The accompanying documents explain the reasons for the suspension. The fact is that from January 1, 2012, a new monetary allowance system was introduced in relation to the military personnel of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, the Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the employees of the internal affairs bodies of the Russian Federation. From January 1, 2013, the allowance will be reformed for military personnel of other federal executive bodies, in which federal laws provide for military service (military personnel of the FSB, Ministry of Emergencies, FSO, SVR), as well as law enforcement officials.

Earlier, Deputy Minister of Finance Alexei Lavrov explained that this could lead to unequal conditions for military personnel of other federal bodies, as their salaries will not be indexed in 2013.

Senators discussed the possibility of suspending certain legislative norms that are not provided with funding sources for 2013-2015. Thus, it is proposed to suspend the indexation rate by January 1, 2014, taking into account the inflation rate, the salary levels for the military personnel of the Armed Forces and Internal Troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, as well as for employees of the internal affairs bodies of Russia.

Indexing is supposed to be carried out after the completion of the reform of the monetary allowance of all military and law enforcement officials. The issue of suspension for one year (until January 1, 2016) of the law "On the basic cost of the necessary social recruitment" will also be considered.

In order not to give rise to different approaches to indexing and increasing the monetary allowance of servicemen of various federal executive bodies, the government proposed to skip one year, and then index salaries to all servicemen as provided by law.

[Hleb]

I don’t know what it is about electricity, but a relative came from Germany, eyes were bogging down at our prices. I brought sausages to try (although we have everything), she says she paid 2 euros for this loaf, it will definitely cost 200 rubles for us. they compared furniture, etc ... so today we are not far behind Europe at prices.
some kind of granny we have these several hundred for the light of the earth oh how a burden (that even once again do not include). and she does not care how many boats went into operation this year.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Gleb

here for this loaf says 2 euros gave

I watched a program like that about sausage and how much meat they put in Europe and Russia, an expert spoke who worked with GOSTs back in the USSR. In Russia, even economical shops put meat more than in the best sausage factories in Europe. What can be in sausage for 2 euros ??? in Russian cheap sausages, at least there is poultry meat (in more expensive beef and pork, without any E and GMOs, when I buy it I read it specially), and in European what? read the label ...
a relative came - ask what they have there for electricity and how much they pay, only first let him drink 200 g of vodka and tell the truth.

[Hleb]

We are of course aside, but still. I myself tried sausage. I’m telling you, it’s normal. and about vodka in vain, does it make sense to lie? also there beer costs three times cheaper than ours and the quality can’t be compared. sprinkled with white nonsense).
By the way, some moments surprise me)) Yesterday, for example, in some article some cried that today we produce low-quality goods, the same sausage, there is no good meat in stores, or Chubais is an enemy, energy prices are exorbitant. but today there is an opinion that both we do not pay much for light, and we still have good meat ...?
By the way, they talked about mortgages, if they take the house for 100 thousand, then over 20 years they will overpay (if I’m not mistaken) 15 thousand. And we have? 100-120 percent?
submarines are great, but the fact that "some who are about housing and communal services and corruption" write, have reasons for this and they often do not care about boats but about families

[Gagarin]

What kind of sausage is this for 2 euros, for dogs? My relative went to Europe in the late 90s and brought sweets and sausage. Only the packaging was impressive! And our grannies may not think about submarines, but about our future for sure, not about sausage !!!

[Hleb]

What kind of sausage for 2 euros, for dogs?

and who said that it should be more expensive? and 500 rubles per kg. with our pensions, is it for whom? for cattle? and gasoline at such a price in such a rich country for whom? for suckers? and interest on loans why in Europe such? for dogs? and here you will pay 5 times more on these loans "Are you a man? Grannies may be thinking about the future, how to save for a funeral. Who would think about grannies

[tlauicol]

and what? I am also for Putin and the Navy, but Mace didn’t get any better from this

[Chuck-norris]

Quote: Tlauicol

and what? I am also for Putin and the Navy, but Mace didn’t get any better from this

Where does infa come from? Personal observations? (Participated in the trials?) Or read an article on any site?

[djon3volta]

Quote: Tlauicol

but the mace didn’t get any better

Ascetic laid out stsyl excellent, familiarize yourself, you will be worth it.

In general, today a common place in all discussions on the Internet and in the media has become the assertion that the Russian Strategic Nuclear Forces are at the last stage of their destruction. After a year or two, after the expiration of the statute of limitations, they will surrender them to scrap, cut them into circular saws and then the Americans will show us where the crayfish hibernate. There will be everything that is necessary in such cases: humanitarian bombing of Russian cities, intervention of NATO ground forces, occupation of our territories, disarmament of the remnants of the Russian army and all the processes that accompany it.

Depending on who paints these perspectives at the moment - a liberal or patriotic author - the tone changes a little: the liberal can hear bliss and anticipation of his triumph (it’s easy to read his mind in the face - then we will show you the Americans ..), and the patriot has a voice of inevitability in his voice (his thoughts are also read without difficulty - nothing can be changed, everything is lost forever, our death is predetermined and we can only silently look at the completion of the process of extinction of Russian Civil nation).

http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2012/06/08/sostoyanie_nashih_strategicheskih_yadern

yh_sil_na_dannyj_moment /

[vilenich]

Quote: djon3volta

Ascetic laid out stsyl excellent, familiarize yourself, you will be worth it.

An excellent article, but in my opinion today the ratio has already changed somewhat in accordance with the reduction agreement in our favor.

[gispanec]

Quote: djon3volta

here last week showed an electricity bill in Germany

last fall, they showed how much a pensioner earns in France ..... 4500 euros is the minimum, and his entire housing and communal services is 2200 .... while his social network is completely free, since he worked at a factory for 20 years, so your ace isn’t trump card.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gispanec

last fall, they showed how much a pensioner earns in France ..... 4500 euros is the minimum

How much, how much pension in France You dig in the internet and then write what is the minimum pension.

Quote: gispanec

..and his social network is completely free,

Even greater nonsense.

[gispanec]

I do not delve into the internet, I just lived in France ... there is such a small town ANSI .... not for 3 months, but it’s not on a branch to google via Google.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gispanec

I do not delve into the internet, I just lived in France ... there is such a small town ANSI .... not for 3 months, but it’s not on a branch to google via Google.

the minimum wage in France is 1300 euros. The average pension in France is 700 euros, retirement as far as I remember at 67 years old. This is from the official data for 2011. That's the Frenchman!

[gispanec]

don’t be stupid ... 1300 euros ... scribe in winter ... then tell us the minimum? 1200 rubles .... and so, and the rent in Russia is 3500 average, excluding electricity and telephony .., but what do you think about how the monetary allowance of the organization’s employees is calculated ?? what is it?? s / n ?? .. but figs with oil, but since you don’t know it’s not a troll !!! ... I consider it to be inappropriate to explain further, since you don’t understand anything in this matter, but the troll is just great ... I think this is your hobby. And as for social programs, here you are also in the ass !, free city transport + treatment (our clinics) + tax benefits if you continue to work with an individual. activity +++

[Prorox]

gispanec

Do you speak French?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_yGVWxC9LU&list=PL9994F28D11709F05&index=3

[Tersky]

Quote: gispanec

.you then say the minimum? 1200 rub.

At present, the minimum wage of the Russian Federation is about 4611 rubles, the minimum wage in France is 1, 393 euros with a 82-hour work week (without deductions), every tenth employee, or 35 million people. In France, the minimum age for retirement is 2,5 years. If the Frenchman worked for 60 years over his years, then he will receive a full pension. If his seniority is less - the pension is reduced by 41% for the missing quarter of seniority or the number of years missing to 1,25. But if a citizen goes on a well-deserved rest at 65, then he will receive his benefit completely, regardless of when he started to work. Today, the minimum pension is about 65 euros per year, 6,000 / 6000 = 12 euros per month, the maximum is twice as high. So who is trolling then? MINUS!!!

[Joker]

! I wind up on 450-500 rubles, this is about 12-13 euros per month, and in Germany 200 euros per month!

Compare salaries first. We have a rare sn 18 000 p. and in Germany, on average, from 3 to 4 thousand euros per month, think about it, only 9 times less. And in the United States, there’s a sea of ​​benefits for the military, pensioners, large families, and disabled people. So we don’t even have to compare our prosperity with them, people have times worse than they live in 5, in the USA the norm is their private house, which we have 10 000 000 and they have 150 000 $, 2 car, some even own boat, but what do we have? Mortgage until the end of life for a one-room apartment and a car that is embarrassing to call a car, old basin. I remember someone saying that they say cars in the yards cost a million, so forgive me, these cars are designed for the MIDDLE class, and all of Russia should go to such cars, with the exception of drug addicts and lazy people. Do you even remember that when the Russian people lived well? Never, all our take-offs concerned only the state, the army, and ordinary people always lived poorly.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Joker

And in the United States, there’s a sea of ​​benefits for the military, pensioners, large families, and disabled people.

You are very and very wrong, about the military yes, but about the rest, alas

Quote: Joker

our people live 5 times worse than they live, in the USA the norm is a private house, which we have 10 and they have 000 cu, 000 cars, some even have their own boat, and what do we have?

Do not watch Hollywood films, the situation in the USA is much worse than in Russia, below the poverty line 46%, paupers 18%. House, two cars is a Hollywood picture

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Do not watch Hollywood movies,

If you believe their films there, every nurse has a luxurious apartment in the center of New York

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Ruslan67

If you believe their films there, every nurse has a luxurious apartment in the center of New York

Seriously, something like this

[Ruslan67]

And if in the outback it’s worse than in our villages. Even the roads are very similar to ours.

[djon3volta]

Quote: Joker

Mortgage until the end of life for a one-room apartment

where did you see that a person would take a mortgage for the rest of his life? well, if you only take it at the age of 60 for a period of 10-20 years. or do young people take a mortgage for a period of 40-50 years? my friend at the Ministry of Internal Affairs works, I took a mortgage for 10 years kopeck piece. after 10 years, she will not be 70 years old and will not end her life.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: djon3volta

It’s useless to argue with me!

It's definitely useless with you But fun

[limon]

Good news. Most importantly, the process has begun. Well, quality and quantity is already (to some extent) dependent on you and me.

[gland]

Intense, powerful, no-one conquered by anyone! For some reason, this song came to mind! look and think about what we can! and as much as we can! whiners let their women teach cabbage soup ... good whining! all perfectly!

[SPACE]

Haste is needed when catching fleas ... And in such an important matter, there is no need to rush anywhere. Here it is surprising, well, why, we have it all the time ... Suddenly, for the wrong reason, we become peaceful and do not know what to do with weapons and we begin to cut, cut, cut, sit, sit then bang, remember that there are wolves around and we are lagging behind them. And starting to strain all our forces, stumbling we run to catch up with the rest. Is it really impossible, without haste and without straining carefully, to build equipment on the sly, instead of the one that we are removing from the composition, and so that it goes on evenly for decades and the total amount of necessary equipment does not decrease. It is enough for Russia to build and commission now one or two large submarines a year, minus export ones, in addition to this it is unnecessary to strain the economy and it is useless, but at the same time, there is no need to squander what is already there, "in a good economy and a bull rope". For example, why not re-equip missile silos on Typhoons like the Americans did, make replaceable cups for various types of missile weapons. Let them be those spare battleships on the siding.
Z.Y. Large and expensive submarines and ships must be universal initially, must be load-bearing platforms, under various weapons and systems. Easier to upgrade than rebuild. Therefore, the first media should be designed so that they can be easily adapted to these geopolitical situations, which will quickly compensate for emerging threats. And the second media should be centenarians not at 20-30 years of operation, but at 50-100 years.

[erased]

The housing problem is also of concern to those who have worked at defense industry enterprises for decades, but have never received an apartment. It is possible that a new program to modernize the Russian fleet will help solve these problems ...

This tale of a white bull lasts forever. Already a purely sporting interest - will something come out of Shoigu? At least half?
And 24 boats in 7 years - not so much. But not a complete zero, of course.
The situation is much worse with personnel. Here, by orders and repressions, nothing can be done. Personnel must be raised 5-7 years. And then increase their experience for another 10 years. To restore the chain of continuity, the transfer of knowledge to new generations of workers, engineers, designers. We need new machines and equipment, but it is not there either.
The complete collapse of the industry, training systems. And for this, all no one suffered any punishment. Although for this it is really necessary to shoot. Even enemy bombing and missile strikes could not do more harm than internal enemies.
But apparently the authorities do not want to touch the "heroes of the occasion". Or dare not.

[SmacXnumx]

Great news MORE ATOMIC AND DIESEL BOATS !!!

[VohaAhov]

Dear forum users, good day! I suggest you make one small but important calculation. As I wrote above, in 2013, the fleet will include 3 APCRSN: "Yuri Dolgoruky" has already entered, "Alexander Nevsky" and "Vladimir Monomakh" will enter before the end of the year. What we have in the end. The Strategic Nuclear Forces will include 48 missiles and 288 warheads with a capacity of 150 to 250 kT, with a KVO-250 m, and with the ability to overcome enemy missile defense. Each of these boats could cut up to 5 US states, leaving a simple lunar landscape there. Now let's think, is it good or bad. I think the Russian person will be fine, but the enemy will sleep better.

[patsantre]

Sense of counting? We are already like 50 years old able to wipe everyone off the face of the earth, and several times. The problem is not at all in this, and if you think the total power of the warhead, then compare with what it was before.

[Old_kapitan]

The meaning of the count?

Have you heard anything about "nuclear deterrence"? So this is it: the point is that now they will think too much 300 times before pouring over to Russia. Simple, right?

[patsantre]

LISTEN, AS WELL AS WITHOUT YOUR INSTRUCTIONS, THERE WERE EARLIER ??? YES YOU DIRECTLY OPENED MY EYES TO LIFE !!!

[Old_kapitan]

So why then ask stupid questions?

[patsantre]

Show me my stupid question? If the meaning of the message does not reach you, then at least this should not be demonstrated.

[UFO]

Interesting - who put the minus article? Does anyone not like the good news in Russia?

[vilenich]

Quote: UFO

Interesting - who put the minus article? Does anyone not like the good news in Russia?

Of course, someone does not like such news and, I think, for a long time you do not need to guess!
Let our enemies tremble abroad !!!

[gispanec]

Quote: UFO

Does anyone not like the good news in Russia?

and where is the news here and even positive ???? ... besides the words there will probably be nothing more ... this is not an article ... here when I accept then an article with the + sign

[djon3volta]

Quote: gispanec

here when I accept here then an article with a sign

when they accept, you will still find something to complain about. even if they accept a month later, you will yell I KNOW THAT they WILL NOT TAKE IN TIME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!

[1c-inform-city]

By the way . The next service test of Minuteman ended unsuccessfully. All the cries of amers about the reduction of armaments from their realization that a significant part of their missiles turned sour. And they themselves write about it. Now they have hope only for a trident. And with Bulava I think everything will be fine. 17 launches are a drop. In the USSR, some missiles were tested even worse by the notorious Satan.

[bddrus]

I don’t like the term "December" - the term will obviously float away in 14 years. And in terms of the number of pledges, we will wait for the next 4-5 years, unfortunately. I hope they will run the processes and the next ones will go faster

[gispanec]

I haven’t read the comments, the article is bold -, the journalists with articles will be embarrassed !!!, but they won’t !!! Tired of reading info-throw, it's just that the real troll writes. That's when they enter the Russian Navy, then I’ll scream Hurray !!

[Odysseus]

Quote: gispanec

That's when they enter the Russian Navy, then I’ll scream Hurray !!

Exactly. This is especially true of poor Severodvinsk. He has already been promised to be put into operation 200 times.

[TekhnarMAF]

[Quote] 24 submarines in 7 years are impressive plans.