Three mistakes Khrushchev

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It is known that Khrushchev came out of Stalin’s closest, closest circle. According to the memoirs of contemporaries, in their famous nightly gatherings at Kuntsevskaya dacha, Stalin kept Khrushchev in a role in a kind of clown, a jester. But it was an evil jester and he took revenge on his sovereign in full.

However, I want to talk not so much about the personality of Nikita Khrushchev, but about the theoretical and ideological mistakes he made. And how much was in them from malicious intent and how much - from a lack of intelligence, let the reader decide.

I'll start from afar. The first children’s box was presented to me by my parents on May Day, it was bright red in color and it was written in golden letters “Peace to the world” on it. The inscription was incomprehensible to me, but fascinated by its mysteriousness. Then I met this slogan hundreds of times, sometimes in the most unexpected places, where people seemed not to go. But this slogan accompanied the Soviet man from the days of his October childhood to a prosperous old age. And since the age of pioneer, we already firmly knew that the USSR is fighting for peace and that the united Soviet people do not want anything like world peace. The idea of ​​the world was so natural and obvious that no one seemed to try to comprehend it in a theoretical aspect.

But he called himself a grudge - get into the back: a country that has declared the goal of its foreign policy to fight for peace voluntarily imposes certain restrictions on itself. For example, it cannot develop offensive weapons, it cannot create strike troop formations, cannot build aircraft carriers, cannot invade the territory of other states, in order to solve its geopolitical tasks. Yes, many things were done by the Soviet Union in their political and geopolitical interests and in spite of their own ideological attitudes, but they were done in secret.

Thus, instead of aircraft carriers, the construction of submarines successfully developed in the USSR. The submarine is definitely powerful weapon, but as a means of intimidation, psychological pressure on the enemy - does not go in any way with the surface fleet. And the Soviet Union was most often forced to render assistance to friendly regimes secretly - let us recall the participation of the USSR in the Korean and then the Vietnam War.

I want to mention the key moments that most affected the authority of the USSR and foreign countries' confidence in it: the suppression of the Hungarian uprising by forces of army units in 1956, the Caribbean crisis in 1962, the introduction of troops into Czechoslovakia in 1968. It is clear that in all these cases, the USSR solved its strategic tasks, but our state did not have a corresponding ideological justification, understandable to the Soviet people and inhabitants in the whole world. The struggle for peace has not simply tied our hands, it has deprived us of the moral strength that lies in the truth, in our righteousness.

It ended with the ideological catastrophe of 1979 of the year - the introduction of a "limited contingent of Soviet troops" in Afghanistan. Whatever the regular propagandists say about this, it sounded unconvincing precisely because there was no serious theoretical, ideological justification. It turned out that the USSR, speaking categorically against the “export of the revolution”, in fact carried out this export itself.

On the way to Afghanistan, the USSR was allowed another major ideological and political miscalculation - I mean the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe and the Helsinki Accords 1975 of the Year. In fact, it was the failure of the entire foreign policy of the USSR, which in the Soviet Union itself was falsely interpreted as a victory (see, for example, Chakovsky’s novel “Victory”). The West has finally untied its hands in relation to the USSR and officially received the right to "look after" its ideological opponent and interfere in its internal affairs. Without actually winning anything, the USSR received a foreign agent in its own home - the Moscow Helsinki Group, whose legacy in the person of Hon. Mrs. Alekseeva we can often see on TV.

The most annoying thing is that Russia still, in continuation of the Khrushchev's heritage, “fights for peace”, allowing European Lilliputians to entangle themselves from all sides with numerous bans. Is it not time for Gulliver to break the bonds and rise to his full gigantic height?

The second mistake of Nikita Khrushchev and his official theorists is the notorious competition of two systems. I do not know in whose head this slogan originated (“Catch up with and overtake!”) And by what motives it was dictated. On the one hand, this slogan equalized the goals of the two systems - it turned out that the USSR and the USA had the same goals, only the ways were different. On the other hand, this slogan put the USSR in the position of the catching-up side, giving rise to the corresponding psychological complex, which Russia still cannot get rid of ...

From that moment on, the indicators of the two countries (USSR and USA) were constantly compared in terms of personal consumption. However, comparing the two systems for this indicator meant only one thing - to recognize socialism as an unsuccessful copy of capitalism. As a result, the Soviet man ceased to be proud of his system and began increasingly to enviously glance in the direction of the United States. The famous lines of Mayakovsky "The Soviet have their own pride, we look down on the bourgeois!" Have lost their once-great significance.

And the third serious mistake of Khrushchev was that he decided to make the Soviet Union a more open society. The start was given by holding the World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow in 1957. Then foreign tourism began to develop in the country. At its core, the idea was not bad: to show firsthand the advantages of the socialist system. However, the question arises: who to show? A tourist is a special being, his view of the world is limited to the program of his stay and excursions, as well as living and service conditions. The tourist business is a service industry, and it is clear that the capitalist service “slaughters” the socialist service in the very first five minutes of the fight (for it is based on other principles). It was difficult for a tourist who came to the USSR to see our true wealth - Soviet internationalism and the brotherhood of nations, for example. But the shortcomings of service, as well as commodity poverty, the paucity of entertainment, immediately caught the eye. In turn, the Soviet tourist, having got to the West, did not see the class contradictions of capitalism point-blank, but the commodity abundance, level of service and the entertainment sphere plunged him into a cognitive and psychological shock.

In my opinion, it was these listed three elements of the policy of the Khrushchev era that first gave rise to dissidence, and then led to the rebirth of the socialist system in a bourgeois way. It was not for nothing that voluntarism was imputed to Khrushchev when he was removed from the main post in the party. So he really was. But we should not forget that Khrushchev was not an alien creature, he emerged from Stalin’s inner circle. Theoretically extremely poorly prepared, who did not overcome the petty-bourgeois psychology, he turned out to be the biggest (and fatal) mistake of Joseph Vissarionovich, who ultimately destroyed the fruits of Stalin's works.

However, L. Brezhnev, who replaced Khrushchev on the post of General Secretary, differed from his predecessor by the fact that he not only did not understand the nature of society in the country entrusted to his power, but did not even try to understand. In general terms, he mechanically continued the policy of his predecessor and, without major upheavals, led the country to a precipice ...
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  1. L. konstantin
    -9
    April 20 2013 06: 06
    There weren’t any mistakes! he spoke essentially and without fear! and our today's creatures are already going to sell su 35! I’d just for buying a house to raise children in Oxford, etc.! I would shoot such! China has had so much with us! what else do you need !? I do not understand corrupt skins! who are selling their homeland! ON THE SHOT WITH FULL CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY IN THE FLESH TO THE KNEE No. DOES NOT DEPEND ON HOW WE DID! so that others are not in the habit! Goat
    1. Alexander
      +2
      April 20 2013 08: 54
      Sales information first appeared in the Chinese media. The rest just picked up this duck.
      1. +13
        April 20 2013 23: 33
        I have nothing against Ukraine, but I believe that Khrushchev did not have the right to give Crimea to Ukraine, however, I hope this misunderstanding will soon disappear upon reunification into a single state.
    2. +15
      April 20 2013 10: 26
      Of course there were no mistakes.
      Khrushchev was a Petlyurovsky agent and a multiply recruited spy (first by the Nazis and then by the Americans).
      All his activities were aimed at the collapse of the USSR.
      And he knocked with a shoe to create the appearance of useful activity.
      1. k220150
        +7
        April 20 2013 10: 32
        Khrushchev is Stalin's biggest mistake, Zhukov is the second, the grandchildren of the internationalist commissars are the third. Voila ...
        1. +2
          April 20 2013 13: 50
          But Stalin, by the way, wanted to send Khrushchev to the next world.
          1. +8
            April 20 2013 14: 27
            If Stalin wanted to send Khrushchev to the other world, I am sure he would have sent. With Stalin, thoughts and deeds did not diverge along different paths.
          2. Alexander-81
            +1
            April 20 2013 19: 28
            hi and not only his ADVICE. Old people and many, many ...., http: //www.km.ru/tv/stalin-poslednyaya-taina-krasnog
          3. Quiet
            +1
            April 21 2013 15: 24
            But Stalin, by the way, wanted to send Khrushchev to the next world.

            I didn’t have time ... and the thought was so that the clown at his Stalin’s funeral would not dance ... wassat
        2. yak69
          +6
          April 20 2013 16: 45
          Quote: k220150
          Khrushchev is the biggest mistake of Stalin, Zhukov is the second

          Eeyore would slightly paraphrase "Khrushchev is a big mistake".
          As for Zhukov, your idea is not entirely clear to me.
          The sons of the red commanders are absolute evil and potential traitors (life has proved this more than!).
          Already wrote in past comments how Khrushchev told himself about the Master’s desire to shoot him. (why didn’t complete the mystery)
        3. +2
          April 21 2013 03: 09
          In our history it is often like this: Alexander III (he himself knew everything about his son) to the incapacitated Nicholas II; after Stalin (failed to prepare the transfer of power) - in the version of the pest Khrushchev, the clever Andropov who asked the bastard Gorbachev from the Stravropol Territory to pull out - is completely incomprehensible (personnel error? Putin instead of himself piled a shibdzik Dimona on the country's neck (another mistake? Or was he hoping that it would be easier to remove? But everyone is still suffering with this "nano-gift"!); regularity? Thank God, it seems that not quite: Putin managed to return!))
          PS Imagine how we would live if Alexander III or Stalin would succeed in returning?)))
          1. +3
            April 21 2013 06: 48
            But when will you finally understand that the whole board of Gorbachev is one big special operation ??? !!! Here is the link -
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcvei62yyFI

            The whole board of Gorbachev was a preparation for the events of 1991 ... When you evaluate what was in the country at that time from this point of view, a lot immediately becomes clear - and the collapse of the economy, and unilateral disarmament and the abolition of the Komsomol and the pioneers, and the massive invasion of dissidence and the introduction of an alien institution of presidency (changing the powers of the leader countries in order to "break easier" in the future) and the outbreak of "suddenly" many interethnic conflicts and much much more !!!
      2. 0
        April 20 2013 15: 36
        Quote: Andrey_K
        And he knocked with a shoe to create the appearance of useful activity.

        Alas, he did not knock a shoe, this is a fable.
        1. +1
          April 20 2013 16: 50
          Quote: Sirocco

          Alas, he did not knock a shoe, this is a fable.

          Not really. He pounded, not only on the podium, but in the hall. There is still some kind of diplomat on the ears got laces. smile
    3. Nitup
      +18
      April 20 2013 10: 29
      The fact of the matter is that Khrushchev said one thing, but did something else. For example, relations with China deteriorated under him, the fleet was put under a knife, many experienced officers who had gone through the war were dismissed from the army, the development of many types of weapons was slowed down. Ordinary cereals replaced with corn. We built these Khrushchevs. I believe that Khrushchev is such a small Gorbachev.
      1. vardex
        +6
        April 20 2013 11: 35
        Khrushchev was far from being an enlightened man himself, had one gyrus in his head and then on his hat. Indeed, it was a serious miscalculation of Stalin
        1. Nitup
          +2
          April 20 2013 19: 32
          And, yes, I forgot the most interesting: under Khrushchev, the USSR began to trade for dollars.
          1. Alexander-81
            0
            April 20 2013 20: 18
            in fact of the matter. It’s like with China at that moment!
      2. luka095
        0
        April 20 2013 17: 05
        The author of the article replaces the essence of Khrushchev’s activities regarding the collapse of Stalin’s heritage. These three mistakes are simply hanging noodles on the ears of readers of an article.
      3. Alexander-81
        0
        April 20 2013 19: 32
        + + + 1000000
      4. Vovka levka
        +3
        April 20 2013 20: 51
        A country cannot always live in a wartime economy, it will simply bend. And as for the Khrushchevs, you are the one you dear to those people, tell us who from the barracks and dugouts went to live in the Khrushchevs, and what they think about it.
        1. Nitup
          +4
          April 21 2013 02: 17
          The country after the war under Stalin developed at the highest rate in the world, and food cards were also canceled earlier than others. And salaries grew, and prices fell. And the houses under Stalin were built spacious and comfortable.
    4. Gladiatir-zlo
      +3
      April 20 2013 11: 13
      In many points I agree. Yes, salbo, and sometimes the requirement for the conceptual, philosophical level of training of the leader is not implemented at all
    5. +3
      April 20 2013 14: 38
      Perhaps the Crimea hrushchev handed over to Ukraine is also not a mistake ?!
  2. L. konstantin
    +6
    April 20 2013 06: 14
    It is a pity that NOW STALIN DOESN’T SEE IT HAS A HUNDRED TIME TURNED OVER TO THE Coffin! looking at the current \\\\\!
    1. +5
      April 20 2013 10: 25
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      It is a pity that NOW STALIN DOESN’T SEE IT HAS A HUNDRED TIME TURNED OVER TO THE Coffin!

      Have pity on Stalin. Reasoning in this way, he will have to spin a fan ...
      1. +1
        April 20 2013 14: 29
        Quote: Ribwort
        you have to spin the fan ..

        Yes, no worse than a sickle and a hammer on your avatar.
  3. sashka
    +17
    April 20 2013 06: 17
    And the fact that half of the country lived and rejoiced in the "Khrushchevs" is also a "mistake"? And what will the tandem boast about ??? . Breakup and theft? Oh yes, "promises" ..)))
    1. L. konstantin
      +2
      April 20 2013 07: 10
      The collapse seems to have begun under Brezhnev, and all you respect and now Lord of the Great Britain Gorbachev
      1. Alexander-81
        +3
        April 20 2013 19: 52
        The collapse began with the death of COMRADE STALIN. And all the followers in one form or another were involved in this, not even wanting it. But the hunchbacked was the finish line, DIDN'T COULD DEPLOY, YES AND DONT WANT FOR THE WEST (chest is better in crosses than head in bushes)
    2. Fox
      +17
      April 20 2013 07: 18
      Quote: Sasha
      And the fact that half of the country lived and rejoiced in the "Khrushchev"

      "Khrushchev" - Stalin's order. Only the ceilings were higher and the kitchens were larger, and the bathroom was uncombined, and Khrushchev only adapted its name. And initially the Franks did it. After the war, our people took it into service, began to build ZhBI factories. ,but as always.
    3. vilenich
      +16
      April 20 2013 09: 33
      Quote: Sasha
      And the fact that half of the country lived and rejoiced in the "Khrushchev"

      This is now Khrushchev - "Khrushchev", but remember when they began to build, after the end of the war not so much time has passed! And people were sincerely happy when they moved from barracks to separate comfortable apartments. I still remember when in the early 60s we moved from a communal apartment to a one-room Khrushchev (by the way, no one called them "Khrushchevs" then), how much happiness it was! Everything is relative...
    4. Alexander-81
      +2
      April 20 2013 19: 38
      Cab.min to the wall. PUTIN DO NOT TOUCH, I WILL ASK YOU!
      1. +1
        April 20 2013 19: 40
        Is that again the myth of the good king ????? Moving towards the Middle Ages gentlemen! :))))
        1. krest.ros
          +2
          April 20 2013 19: 54
          And what good kings do not suit you? And what was so bad in the Middle Ages?
          1. +3
            April 20 2013 20: 11
            It is known that the tale of the good king was distributed among peasants in various feuds - they say that vassals and courtiers are to blame for everything, and were very upset when the king personally ordered to cut heads and quarter to those who dared to go against the court and feudal lords :) - there was nothing - that is, nothing at all :)))
            1. krest.ros
              0
              April 20 2013 22: 08
              This is not an answer...
              1. 0
                April 21 2013 06: 54
                What answer did you expect? What needs to be written so that the answer is?
      2. Misantrop
        -1
        April 20 2013 19: 50
        Quote: Alexander-81
        Cab.min to the wall. PUTIN DO NOT TOUCH
        A brilliant idea, except for jokes. Especially if several times in a row. So all thieving freaks from the top of the lime can. Type of bait fishing laughing
  4. L. konstantin
    -11
    April 20 2013 06: 18
    he did everything right! not afraid! and now they’ll do everything so that the kids will study at Oxford! even su 35 will be sold without thinking about the consequences! What do you need more for the Jews !? sell your mother mom !? ! sell your homeland! this is actually a complete anus! and sell Siberia from the Far East! and MODERATOR! Do not share what is written! I understand what kind of poo you are. but you don’t have a drop of clothes)
    Sell ​​everything so that you are swept up in the ass! patriots! I won’t go to war with such people! although I'm fsbshnik)
    complete minus to you !!!! expensive! you did not live in Soviet times!
    1. +6
      April 20 2013 06: 22
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      sell Siberia from the Far East!

      Where can I buy my share of DV do not tell wink and who specifically sells?
      1. sashka
        0
        April 20 2013 07: 22
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Where can I buy my share of DV do not tell me and who exactly sells?

        Ask Chubais, Serdyukov, and of course the "invincible" tandem .. Not only will they tell you, but they will also show you where your "hut" will be.
        1. +11
          April 20 2013 07: 31
          Quote: Sasha

          Ask Chubais, Serdyukov and, of course, the "invincible" tandem.

          That Putin also sold Russia belay Yes nuts, how many are selling you, but all not sold at the site, come in. In 1998, in August, we’ll send you all, then maybe in 2013 you want to wink
          1. sashka
            +1
            April 20 2013 12: 24
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            That Putin also sold Russia

            Yes ... Exactly there are options?
          2. +5
            April 20 2013 14: 08
            send me to 1980 :)))))
      2. +1
        April 20 2013 14: 41
        I will tell you, but I will not please, your "share" Russian share - you will not be accepted into the society of Siberian owners! Not upset? smile
    2. +4
      April 20 2013 10: 28
      The debate on the topic “I won't go to war with such people!” Ends with one, the “stuffed cabbage” is disabled and spanked despite the fact that he is allegedly a FSB agent!
    3. +8
      April 20 2013 18: 49
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      patriots! I won’t go to war with such people! although I'm fsbshnik

      Respected! You are not an FSB eshnik! You are a system error, I think the office just kicked you out, cleaned it from its ranks. This is a time.
      And secondly, I doubt that you are a Russian person. The patriots will go to defend their homeland, not looking who is the "king". And they will protect their relatives and friends, and not PU, as you had a chance to put it. Well, wartime ... I do not envy you. Maybe you will find yourself among the Newlasians, there will still be leftists-hurray-patriots.
  5. Bator79
    +21
    April 20 2013 06: 25
    Khrushchev.
    1) Khrushch asked Stalin to increase the number of those who were shot, to which Stali told him, "Calm down"
    2) Khrushchev hated Great Stalin and after his death he hung all the dogs on Stalin
    3) It was during Khrushchev that another Judah-Gorbach began his career
    4) Khrushchev was removed when it became clear that he was destroying the country and removed it - Suslov, a man of the scale of Beria
    1. djon3volta
      +6
      April 20 2013 07: 11
      Quote: Bator79
      Khrushchev hated Great Stalin and after his death he hung all the dogs on Stalin

      and those who are now eager for power, that they love Putin? look at their slogans, shouts, interviews, is there at least one good word about Putin? do you think Zyuganov or Navalny want to take care of 143 million? and you also support such . you read Navalny’s last interview, they say I’ll become president and then I will judge Putin. Do you know what hatred I feel for Navalny? How Soviet people hated Hitler during the Second World War, so I hate Navalny, would have strangled him personally if I had such an opportunity .
      1. Kaa
        +10
        April 20 2013 09: 55
        Quote: djon3volta
        Khrushchev hated Great Stalin and after his death he hung all the dogs on Stalin
        and those who are now eager for power, do they love Putin?
        This is a special case, you can't figure it out without a bubble. "Among the paradoxes of our time, future historians will certainly study how one of the main organizers of mass repressions turned, in the eyes of many, into a person who condemned and stopped such repressions!" Ukraine sends monthly 17 18 thousand repressed, and Moscow approves no more than 2-3 thousand. Please take urgent measures "- NS Khrushchev telegraphed Stalin in 1938, when he was the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party (b) of Ukraine. To which the" bloody totalitarian dictator "replied to his excessively zealous subordinate: "Calm down!" Khrushchev's rule received an official impersonal assessment of “voluntarism.” Translated, this should mean “the dominance of strong-willed, rationally unjustified methods of political decision-making.” In Khrushchev's political biography, much more place is occupied by a purposeful career that did not neglect any means, that did not know moral prohibitions ..
    2. +16
      April 20 2013 09: 48
      Supplement to the post of the respected Bator 79
      The collapse of the country began precisely with Khrushchev.
      1. It was Khrushchev who abolished the Council of People's Commissars, wishing to take all power under him. But I.V. Stalin did not make such a division for nothing. He believed that the party should be engaged in ideology and education, and specialists in the Council of People's Commissars should be engaged in the economy. Khrushchev imagines himself to be a specialist in all areas, only unlike I.V. Stalin did not trouble himself with reading special literature and consulting with professionals. Hence, "Corn is everywhere!"
      2. JV Stalin said: "Do not rush with communism. Let people live under socialism!" But Khrushchu wanted to surpass Stalin and he announced "in 20 years we will live under communism", focusing on the pace of economic recovery after the Second World War. Hence the competition between the two systems, and "catch up and overtake". Only after his famous lecture on personality cult, there was no longer any confidence in the party. There was no such enthusiasm, and so much effort was not made to educate the new generation.
      3. Khrushchev gave unprecedented preferences to the top, starting with his beloved. I allowed myself to take diamonds from the Faceted Chamber and give them away to the artists they liked. True, after his death, they were returned. Khrushchev's daughter from her first marriage complained that Nina Petrovna flies to Paris on Sundays to do her hair, but does not take her with her (And this is not gossip. This is a fact that the lady to whom she complained, and "not later," but during her lifetime the current Khrushchev) Well, the rest of his entourage did not begin to clap their ears. Hence the sharp stratification of the party elite, honest communists and the people as a whole. The people lost faith and ceased to be a monolith. The slow destruction of the state began
      1. +4
        April 20 2013 09: 52
        Quote: Egoza
        The collapse of the country began precisely with Khrushchev.

        I don’t know about you, but I would start with Nikolai 2 ...
        Then, according to the list of Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Medvedev ..
      2. Kaa
        +11
        April 20 2013 09: 57
        Quote: Egoza
        The collapse of the country began precisely with Khrushchev.
        “Future historians will certainly study, among the paradoxes of our time, how one of the main organizers of mass repressions turned, in the eyes of many, into a person who condemned and stopped such repressions!“Ukraine monthly sends 17-18 thousand repressed, and Moscow claims no more than 2-3 thousand. I ask you to take urgent measures, ”N.S. wired Khrushchev Stalin in 1938, when he was the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Ukraine (b). To which the "bloody totalitarian dictator" replied to his excessively zealous subordinate: "Get down, you fool ... ! ”Khrushchev’s board received an official, impersonal assessment of“ voluntarism. ” In translation, this should mean “the rule of strong-willed, rationally unreasonable methods of making political decisions” .. In Khrushchev’s political biography, a more focused place is occupied by a purposeful career that did not neglect any means and did not know moral prohibitions .. The defining feature of all Khrushchev’s actions, both on the way to the highest posts in the state, and after their achievement, has always been a calculated desire for sole unlimited power. Vividly characterizes this side of Khrushchev’s personality: his replica at the famous meeting with creative intelligentsia on December 17, 1962, where he put the blast on Ernst Neizvestny, Evgeny Yevtushenko and other representatives of the liberal intelligentsia. “The people must decide in our country. And who is this people? This is a party. And who is the party? We are a party. So we’ll decide, I’ll decide now ” Khrushchev stands, as it were, at the source of the divergence of the two paths along which the Soviet political system could go. One way is the one that has emerged in the last years of Stalin’s power. This is the strengthening of the role of constitutional, state bodies (Council of Ministers, Councils of Deputies of various levels) due to extra-constitutional, party, rule of law and law. The other is the one that personified itself and onto which Khrushchev turned the country for a long time. This is an increase in the lack of control of the power of the party bureaucracy. Khrushchev was rebuilding the state from solving problems of nationwide development to serve the needs of this class. The fact that he did this quite consciously and purposefully is evidenced by his remark at a meeting in the Central Committee of the CPSU in late 1953 or early 1954, when, after criticism, G.M. Malenkov of the party apparatus, Khrushchev, to the applause of those present, exclaimed: “This is so ... But the apparatus is our support!” Khrushchev’s far-sightedness and prudence in the struggle for personal status as the defining features of his character are also evidenced by his actions after removal from the post of First Secretary. Illegally forwarding records of his memoirs for publication in the United States, Khrushchev did what he himself was in power without thinking would severely repress anyone. Being deprived of power, he could become a "dissident" not only out of necessity. He could well have foreseen that in the near future such behavior would bring political dividends. If he had lived as long as Kaganovich or Molotov had overthrown, he would have managed to reap the laurels of a “fighter against totalitarianism” during his lifetime. The logic of the struggle for power led Khrushchev back to the Trotskyists back in the 20s, then made him an ardent fighter against Trotskyism, then a self-derogatory slave to Stalin, then his equally furious whistleblower, after which he became a "dissident" .. The trouble is that when Khrushchev’s political position began to be directly reflected in the decisions of the state leadership of the USSR, it rarely met the objective needs of the country. The historian Emelyanov is probably right, when he likens Khrushchev in this regard to M.S. Gorbachev, finding in their personal characters many similarities.
        1. Kaa
          +9
          April 20 2013 10: 00
          Quote: Kaa
          “All this is so ... But the apparatus is our support!”
          In Khrushchev’s rejection, people of different views and beliefs can converge. The sovereign patriots will recall Khrushchev’s removal of Marshal Zhukov, unjustified reductions in the armed forces, the destruction of the latest types of military equipment, the abandonment of Soviet military bases in Port Arthur (China) and Porkkala-Udd (Finland), compliance in negotiations with US leaders on the Berlin and Cuban Issues. People of an economic way of thinking will undoubtedly blame Khrushchev for the unjustified abolition of branch ministries, the decline in the social status of scientists, the introduction of corn regardless of climate, the continuous cultivation of virgin lands. The massive construction of five-story slums created only the illusion of a quick solution to the housing problem, while dramatically lowering the standard of urban living. Under Khrushchev, the absurd practice of "gratuitous aid" began to the countries of Asia and Africa, announcing the "building of socialism." Russian traditionalist soil workers will recall the revival of the struggle against "great-power chauvinism" and the promotion of the nationalism of the titular peoples in the republics of the USSR, the elimination of "unpromising" villages and the destruction of horse stocks, the elimination of homestead plots of rural intelligentsia and the attempt to destroy household plots as a form of land use (the so-called Second dispossession). The Orthodox will add to this a new campaign of “militant atheism”, the closure and destruction of churches (more than 1958 churches were closed from 1964 to 3500). By the way, Khrushchev, who was in 1932-1935. second, and in 1935-1938. the first secretary of the Moscow City Committee and (since 1934) the regional party committee, bears primary personal responsibility for the destruction of architectural monuments of Moscow and the region at that time. Khrushchev’s assertion of the principle of the jurisdiction of the elite had little in common with the communist ideal. Khrushchev’s famous instruction to introduce execution for currency fraud and to repeatedly convict people already convicted under this article to sentence them to death, had no analogues in the degree of neglect of the right even during the Great Terror. Other unprecedented cases were the mass shootings of demonstrations in Tbilisi in March 1956 and in Novocherkassk on May 1, 1962. The first demonstration was a political protest against the conviction of Stalin’s “personality cult” at the Twentieth Congress. The second is a purely social protest against rising meat prices. Such speeches and a similar reaction of the authorities to them in Soviet cities have not been since the civil war. The speech in Novocherkassk was accompanied by numerous victims (26 people were killed and 7 subsequently sentenced to death) and is better known than others, but similar protests on a smaller scale in protest against the authorities' policies on various occasions took place in 1958-1961. in various cities of the country. Historians count them more than a dozen. A careful analysis of the events of 1953-1956. convinced some historians that the rehabilitation processes of convicts for political reasons, begun by Beria in the spring of 1953, were somewhat slowed down after his arrest. The statements and actions of Beria himself shortly after Stalin’s death (not only regarding the affairs and personality of the deceased leader, but also the expansion of the authority of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Union republics, the intention to abandon the construction of socialism in the GDR) suggest that the “condemnation of the personality cult” that would have occurred in if Beria won in the struggle for power, it could turn out to be deeper and more radical than it actually was at the Twentieth Congress. It could not be limited only to attacks on the leader, but would affect some properties of the system itself. "Khrushchevism" is a synonym for incompetence and arbitrariness in public administration, covered by ideological speculation and demagogy. http://www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/ot_trockista_do_dissidenta_2011-09-09


          . Htm
          1. +5
            April 20 2013 11: 17
            If you read Khrushchev's memoirs, then there he boasts of his secret support of local nationalists and former Petliurists, all the locals considered him a "hare" and went with complaints about the Nazis, and he pretended to sympathize, but instead he wrote to Stalin slanderous whitewashing of nationalists and denigrating their critics.
            And he patronized a gang of former Petliurists who, after the civil war, allegedly went over to the side of the Bolsheviks (some were "miraculously" found in Petlyura's prison after liberation - a classic way of sending agents at that time - others were introduced through other channels, including Khrushchev for them gave a guarantee) and joined the Communist Party, but during the famous famine of 33-34 it was they who occupied all the key positions.
            Then, when one of Khrushchev’s proteges (Lyubchenko PP) received a mysterious call during the plenum (someone warned him about the exposure), he returned home, shot his wife and shot himself - so honest people don’t do it (honest people usually hoped to the end, that an error occurred) is the behavior of a classic spy who has something to hide.
          2. +2
            April 20 2013 12: 03
            But in Ukraine, Khrushev monument, by chance, is not worth it? Gave Crimea, began to develop agricultural and other industries.
            1. +3
              April 20 2013 12: 45
              Quote: Vasya
              But in Ukraine, Khrushev monument, by chance, is not worth it?

              THANK GOD NO!!!!
              1. 0
                April 20 2013 14: 12
                Quote: Egoza
                THANK GOD NO!!!!


                In relation to the communist, it sounds like that ... recourse
              2. +3
                April 20 2013 14: 27
                But strange - next to Bandera you need to put one :)
          3. +8
            April 20 2013 12: 14
            Damn, the finger is tired to ply ... laughing
            Quote: Kaa
            Here is a special case, without a bubble you can’t figure it out

            Pour over a small ... drinks
            Quote: Kaa
            "Khrushchevism" is a synonym for incompetence and arbitrariness in public administration, covered by ideological speculation and demagogy

            From time immemorial, people are divided into "leaders" and "performers". In the case of Khrushchev, we can observe a clear "inconsistency with the position held", which explains the "voluntarism" of the first person of the state.
            All, or almost all of the acts committed under the slogan of "creation" have no direct relation to the lover of hopak and lard, which emphasizes his belonging to the category of narrow-minded but zealous performers. All his decisions, made in line with the country's leadership, bear a clear sign of "not letting go!"
            It is not a secret for anyone that on the state "Olympus" of the USSR a struggle was constantly waged between various groups (party, political, military) for the first places "in the orchestra" (it does not stop today). Today it is difficult to understand how a person who is not bright with intellect "crawled" into the chair of the leader, but there are many such facts at other levels, both at that time and today.
            Rounding off.
            The period of Khrushchev’s leadership cannot be positively estimated from the point of increment of any dividends by the country. If we put together the GDP and Nikita, only the blind will not notice the difference. After all, everything is known in comparison.
            hi
      3. +3
        April 20 2013 11: 51
        Quote: Egoza
        The collapse of the country began precisely with Khrushchev.

        Sometimes you start to wonder who Khrushchev licked so deeply to remain almost the only living secretary of the city committee at the end of 1937! At one time, Joseph Vessarionovich was reckless in relation to Nikita.
  6. sashka
    -12
    April 20 2013 06: 27
    Didn't say but DO. I can not imagine a "tandem" threshing shoes on the podium. They have all friends and partners. (Maybe homosexuals?) And Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the Country.
    1. +9
      April 20 2013 06: 36
      Quote: Sasha
      But Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the country.

      As he was a collective farmer, he remained so! One gift from Crimea is worth it.
      1. Baboon
        +15
        April 20 2013 07: 02
        And he presented the Nadterechny districts to Chechnya, too, it must be remembered.
      2. sashka
        -3
        April 20 2013 07: 25
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Sasha
        But Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the country.

        As he was a collective farmer, he remained so! One gift from Crimea is worth it.

        Maybe the "hohzly" will fight and we will get it again? Who knows what will happen tomorrow ...
        1. vilenich
          +3
          April 20 2013 09: 43
          Quote: Sasha
          Maybe the "hohzly" will fight and we will get it again? Who knows what will happen tomorrow ...

          The fact of the matter is that no one knows how the Turks would take his hands away!
          1. +4
            April 20 2013 10: 59
            Yes, they have a Tatar "lobby" on the peninsula ... and it is precisely this, together with the "Svidomo," opposing the stationing of the Russian Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol ...
      3. sashka
        -1
        April 20 2013 07: 53
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As he was a collective farmer, he remained so! One gift from Crimea is worth it.

        The country was ... why not. Now what? "republics with presidents" Pravda "banana". Well, we are for democracy)))
        1. +3
          April 20 2013 08: 55
          Quote: Sasha
          The country was ... why not. Now what? "republics with presidents" Pravda "banana".

          Found someone to set as an example!
          1. sashka
            -2
            April 20 2013 12: 12
            Quote: Sibiryak
            Found someone to set as an example!

            Who ? But it’s not medveput with Chubais .. They’ll definitely put
      4. +5
        April 20 2013 09: 26
        Yes, his level is a collective farm foreman. Yes, and even under good control ... Otherwise, I would stick corn somewhere in Kamchatka ... I don’t want to talk about Crimea - it’s a very sore subject for the Crimean ...
        And in the army, with aviation, he had great fun.
      5. vilenich
        +4
        April 20 2013 09: 42
        Good morning, Alexander!
        Indeed, for what praise this leader! Yes, I wanted, yes I was sick in soul, but for all this, we also need an outstanding thinking apparatus, the talent of a leader, etc. And what we see: a wild grudge, the laying of the tradition of nurturing predecessors, incompetence in many matters, a bloated I and a huge inclination for voluntarism, and adventurism too.
      6. Kaa
        +11
        April 20 2013 10: 18
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As he was a collective farmer, he remained so!
        Only very cunning and unprincipled. "World Leaders About N.S. Khrushchev
        Sharl De Goll: "This, in my opinion, is a cunning peasant who loves power very much and cannot in any way understand that the country needs real changes. He literally wants to oppose himself to Stalin and the Stalinist style. This deliberation is very often - to the detriment of Khrushchev and the authority of the USSR. For the good of the USSR and its peoples, liberalization of communism is needed, but, apparently, Khrushchev is not able or does not want to understand this ... He needed Khrushchev’s visit to France mainly to show his colleagues in the Politburo how he, Khrushchev, was warmly received abroad. ”
        Josip Broz Tito: “Khrushchev always wanted to seem simple - both to Stalin, and to me, and other politicians. But natural cunning was the wrong side of his apparent simplicity. He did not think too much about the consequences of his words, actions, decisions, and, accusing Stalin of autocracy, cult, unpredictability, he often behaved in the same way. This became especially evident after 1958, when the so-called “anti-party” group of Molotov-Bulganin and Zhukov — the most influential comrades-in-arms of Stalin and opponents of Khrushchev — were dismissed ... Khrushchev then declared Yugoslavia a fraternal socialist country, protecting it from criticism from China and Albania then he even included in the CPSU program (adopted by the XXII Congress of the CPSU in October 1961 - A.Ch.) the provision on Yugoslav revisionism. ”
        Mao Zedong: “People like Khrushchev are sleeping next to us, it's time to wake them up. Khrushchev began his betrayal with Stalin, and he or his successors - the Soviet Union - will complete this business. Khrushchev, changeable as a chameleon, unilaterally announced the recall of his specialists, terminated 343 contracts, interrupted the implementation of 257 joint scientific and technical projects, very sharply reduced the supply of key parts of complete equipment (in 1960-1962 - A.Ch.), Moreover, Khrushchev decided at the same time to settle accounts for the past by demanding calculations on the supply of arms during the period of US resistance and the help of the DPRK in1949-1953, as well as on material and other loans of the 50s. All this had a serious negative impact on the economic construction of China. But, the more Khrushchev presses, the stronger we become ...Stalin was a very authoritative political leader. But far-sightedness was not enough for him: during his lifetime he did not give clear instructions about his successor. And after his death, this same "troika" appeared (Beria-Malenkov-Khrushchev. - A.Ch.)., And the situation was at first very chaotic. Beria was killed, as a result, Khrushchev got the power, who knocks the heel of a leather boot on the table. His reign will not be long, but the consequences of his reign will affect for decades ”.
        Ernesto Che Guevara: “The works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Zedong must be published in a series of Marxist theoretical literature. But also - the largest figures of revisionism, especially Khrushchev and Trotsky. To create a school of Marxist thought - not dogmatic, but not revisionist - that’s the task ... The historical clock is spinning back in the USSR, in the Khrushchev period, categories and principles of capitalist economics are included in the communist theory and economic practice of the USSR ... ... In the USSR, leaders get everything bigger and bigger, leaders have no obligations to the masses. There is a "hybridization" of socialism, which stems from the erroneous concept - the desire to build socialism from the elements of capitalism, without changing the essence of the latter. .http: //www.stoletie.ru/territoriya_istorii/ot_trockista_do_dissidenta_2011-09-0

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        1. +8
          April 20 2013 12: 20
          Quote: Kaa
          Mao Zedong: “People like Khrushchev are sleeping next to us, it's time to wake them up. Khrushchev began his betrayal with Stalin, and he or his successors - the Soviet Union - will complete this business. Beria was killed, as a result, Khrushchev received power, who bangs a heel of a leather boot on the table. His reign will not be long, but the consequences of his reign will affect for decades. ”

          And here I poke a finger on the clave ... fool
      7. 0
        April 21 2013 20: 51
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        As he was a collective farmer, he remained so!

        "Kolkhoznik" is a dirty word for you?
    2. +6
      April 20 2013 08: 54
      Quote: Sasha
      I didn’t say, but DO.

      What did you do?! He did stupid things, he sowed all farmland with corn!
      Quote: Sasha
      I can not imagine a "tandem" threshing shoes on the podium.

      For this big mind, there is no need for courage either, what the first stupidity got into my head, I realized it! The public was good at playing people.
      Quote: Sasha
      But Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the country.

      Somehow strange he was building! In the late 50s, he made massive reductions in the army, both in terms of strength and technical means, and in economics he also did things in Novocherkassk to create a riot of workers. So the activities of Khrushchev can be put 100% fat minus! negative
    3. +5
      April 20 2013 09: 53
      Quote: Sasha
      But Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the country.

      Only did it "krivoruko". According to the maxim, he used everything that got from Stalin and could not bring anything worthwhile himself ...
    4. Nitup
      +3
      April 20 2013 10: 39
      To thresh shoes, a lot of mind is not necessary. And to raise the country from a state of devastation: now this is far from everyone can
    5. +7
      April 20 2013 14: 57
      Quote: Sasha
      But Khrushchev produced, built and worried about the country.

      Yeah. So much has made that I personally in the early 60s, as a kid, stood in line for a loaf of bread mixed with corn in winter for hours. It’s not my father who appointed new, doubled, temporary prices for sugar, meat, butter. These prices lasted until 1990. And who turned the ten into a ruble. A glass of gaz.voda 5 kopecks cost, began to cost a penny. And how much did the people calculate? On any product! For income, the father’s pension was 61 rubles, and the mother’s salary was 72 rubles. And this is in a very large city.
  7. +10
    April 20 2013 06: 40
    The assassination of Stalin and the preparation of the USSR for the collapse cannot be mistakes!
    Less article, for trying to whitewash the Trotskyist - Khrushchev.
  8. L. konstantin
    -4
    April 20 2013 06: 41
    sashka

    it means you don’t know what! question? how earned epaulettes !? shouted cheers?

    novels! You won’t find so much money to buy yourself a house in Sweden! there is a green zone !!!
    1. +6
      April 20 2013 06: 47
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      You won’t find so much money to buy yourself a house in Sweden! there is a green zone !!!

      Our nature is better than in Sweden.
    2. sashka
      -1
      April 20 2013 07: 31
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      sashka

      it means you don’t know what! question? how earned epaulettes !? shouted cheers?

      novels! You won’t find so much money to buy yourself a house in Sweden! there is a green zone !!!

      I don’t understand .. Are you talking to Romanov or Me? The boy with the grey th. Just wait and live ..
    3. sashka
      -6
      April 20 2013 08: 05
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      sashka

      it means you don’t know what! question? how earned epaulettes !? shouted cheers?

      The boy is a chipping. Here, fighting with the "three-volt" "esaulami" and you. For the third time. Which is what I wish for you too .. The site has stopped at TsgovnoC
      1. +6
        April 20 2013 11: 14
        Quote: Sasha
        ..The site is interrupted by

        Well, do not get dirty, go to another resource.
    4. +7
      April 20 2013 12: 24
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      question? how earned epaulettes !? shouted cheers?

      My friend, shoulder straps here are earned by respect for your "pearls" of interlocutors, opponents ...
      hi
  9. L. konstantin
    0
    April 20 2013 06: 47
    Ivan Tarasov is a plus for you! and "generals") minus
    1. +1
      April 20 2013 06: 49
      Quote: L. Konstantin
      Ivan Tarasov is a plus for you! and "generals") minus

      Put another one wink
      1. L. konstantin
        -2
        April 20 2013 07: 07
        nature is better but it will be safer there! "GENERAL" to you
        1. +3
          April 20 2013 07: 34
          Quote: L. Konstantin
          nature is better but safer there

          Well, go, go dear to your safe Sweden-live, enjoy. You can marry, there it is same-sex marriages are welcome lol
          1. bask
            +7
            April 20 2013 07: 47
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            . You can get married, it's same-sex there

            Getting married or getting married in Sweden is easy.
            Quote: L. Konstantin
            to buy a house in Sweden! there is a green zone
            rather ,, blue ,, zone. The flag is Swedish to you fellow
            1. +7
              April 20 2013 07: 54
              Quote: bask
              rather ,, blue ,, zone.

              And the police in Sweden will guard his bed .... or in bed request
              1. bask
                +5
                April 20 2013 08: 01
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And the police in Sweden will be

                Greetings to Alexander. The police in Sweden are generally a separate song, love
                1. +2
                  April 20 2013 11: 16
                  Quote: bask
                  . Sweden police generally separate, song,

                  Let her arrest me wassat
                  Hi Basque!
            2. L. konstantin
              -3
              April 20 2013 13: 57
              all of you have togas goes to scars yes you are here d "b" and "l" s
          2. L. konstantin
            -2
            April 20 2013 13: 56
            are you a stupid person? you need to get married! and I’m not your dear yet!
  10. -3
    April 20 2013 07: 04
    "And Khrushchev's third serious mistake was that he decided to make the Soviet Union a more open society. The start was given by holding the World Festival of Youth and Students in Moscow in 1957. Then foreign tourism began to develop in the country." - Thanks to this "serious mistake" the author is now sitting in the internet and can sunbathe on the beaches of Egypt !!!
  11. 0
    April 20 2013 07: 06
    Pay attention to the name and surname of the author of the article, and everything will fall into place. These were the "mistakes" that prevented the West from imposing their crap democracy.
  12. +2
    April 20 2013 07: 12
    Hm. The article is somewhat ... Yes, we were for peace. But they would try to attack us, they would get to the fullest. The fact that we were for peace did not prevent us from fighting all over the world, albeit secretly. The main mistake of Khrushchev (or maybe not a mistake) was to curtail scientific Marxism-communism. Down with private property, down with the family.
  13. L. konstantin
    0
    April 20 2013 07: 24
    we showed teeth and not milk fangs like a puppy! who has a puppy will understand what it is about
  14. +6
    April 20 2013 07: 33
    The minus article - with all its willingness to express the truth - the author somewhat distorts some events. For example, the entry of troops into Afghanistan was not done from Khrushchev’s whim, I won’t be engaged in demagogy - if the car is interested in information on an accessible Internet. The conclusions that the author draws are anti-Russian content and therefore biased.
    And the third serious mistake made by Khrushchev was that he decided to make the Soviet Union a more open society.
    This is nowhere at all - openness of society? The shooting in Novocherkassk is openness ??? Mr. Khrushchev played with democracy. These endless corn warriors with their own population, taxes that then seemed to be nonsense - like a tax on cattle. On the podium, democracy worked for him. A person who drowned under Stalin Moscow region in blood - a democrat? The only plus from his rule is the Khrushchevs. It was timely and correct.
  15. pinecone
    +2
    April 20 2013 07: 58
    It is not true that they "secretly" helped. At all corners they shouted about fraternal assistance to the peoples fighting against imperialism and neo-colonialism.
    In general, the article is weak, shallow.
    PS One of the forum participants wrote that Gorbachev was a protege of Khrushchev. This is not so, since the labeled one belonged to another generation of the party nomenclature and was the creature of Andropov.
    1. +7
      April 20 2013 12: 34
      Quote: pinecone
      It is not true that they "secretly" helped. At all corners they shouted about fraternal assistance to the peoples fighting against imperialism and neo-colonialism.

      Exactly.
      It was with Khrushchev that the vicious practice of "choosing" friends by unsubstantiated statements began, followed by "free" help. And the people paid for the help - with blood, a decline in the standard of living, bowing before the "poor and unfortunate" newly-born fighters for socialism, who until the last felt like "kings" and "shit" on the head of our people, coming to the USSR for study, treatment, not forgetting to fuck the girls along the way for a pair of tights.
  16. DPN
    +3
    April 20 2013 08: 01
    Khrushchev had one mistake, he could not forgive his son’s stupidity to Stalin and began to take revenge. He betrayed Stalin and went to the country for a hitch. He wouldn’t touch Stalin (it’s worthless that he was completely upset in the blood and couldn’t understand this) the offended EBN, and even Brokeback, would not have appeared. He also had good people. People still live in Khrushchev and have many other houses and do not shine. Take WWII veterans with them left with a gulkin nose and they can’t get housing! They are the youngest!
    Now there are no factories, no work, and the goal of the state is to reduce the indigenous population of Russia.
    1. dikiybober
      -8
      April 20 2013 10: 00
      Quote: dddym
      ... The person who drowned under Stalin Moscow region in blood - a democrat? The only plus from his rule is the "Khrushchevs"

      Well, the times were like that, Nikita Sergeevich himself never hid his "heroic past" in his interview to Roy Medvedev (after his resignation), he plainly stated "my hands are covered in blood" or someone may have illusions about a person who able to vibrate upward in a country like the Stalinist USSR? By the way, where are your complaints to the chief "top manager" on whose photo is actively jerking off almost the entire forum, which again overlooked, overlooked, cheated? But what about your mantras about extraordinary sagacity, Stalin's foresight, unerring assessment, etc.?
      1. +2
        April 20 2013 14: 45
        what Who are you talking to ???
        1. +6
          April 20 2013 15: 51
          Quote: dddym
          Who are you talking to ???

          Verbal diarrhea is a temporary phenomenon, if you do not notice the diarrhea. Or diarrhea?
          laughing
  17. +1
    April 20 2013 08: 10
    The minus article is the usual liberal demagoguery. Khrushchev's mistake was that in making the good slogan "Peace-Peace", as a result of his naivety and closeness, he compromised the interests of the USSR, inflicted damage on the country's defense capability. Khrushchev's mistake was that he debunked Stalin's personality cult by doing this he inflicted enormous damage on the ideological basis of socialism throughout the world. The slogan "We will catch up and overtake" was a mistake - I agree with this. The liberal author is mistaken: the Soviet people understood why troops were being sent to Hungary and Czechoslovakia. The authority of the USSR on the one hand grew, mk showed the decisiveness of the USSR, on the other hand, discord in the socialist camp manifested itself largely due to the mistakes of Khrushchev, which we are talking about. It was not a mistake to send troops to Afghanistan (I do not adhere to the liberal point of view). Afghanistan bordered on the USSR and it was extremely important for us, for Afghanistan to be included in the zone of our influence. Well, the fact that the policy in Afghanistan was mediocre is a separate topic, otherwise after 10 years, Afghanistan would turn into the "ordinary" Soviet republic and the entire world community would have forgotten about its existence. Well, yes, they were in a hurry with openness, of course, I agree with the author.
    1. dikiybober
      -1
      April 20 2013 10: 22
      Quote: krpmlws
      Khrushchev's mistake is that while making a good slogan "Peace-Peace", as a result of his naivety and closeness, he compromised the interests of the CCC

      in general, this narrow-minded and naive managed to outwit Stalin with Beria, then Zhukov, then Eisenhower, but with Kennedy he reduced everything to an honorable draw. and this "peace-loving" guy did not hesitate to drown the Hungarian uprising in blood, put the world on the brink of nuclear war, and all for the sake of the interests of the USSR. however, it must be added that this was not only his position, but the position of the military-political elite of the USSR as a whole. And Khrushchov was her impresario, so to speak ... it was Khrushchov who was against "surrendering positions" and softening anti-imperialist activity, it was from these positions that he criticized Malenkov and it was this tactic that brought him success in the struggle for power (and he was loyal to her not only in words). America was shocked by his pearly "we will bury you all" or "the Soviet pig will always negotiate with the American pig" (when he switched to reverse gear during negotiations)
  18. sashka
    -1
    April 20 2013 08: 26
    "President" Sounds cool. What is their Promise fulfilled? Let's say I was personally "promised" It's funny ..
  19. sashka
    -2
    April 20 2013 08: 28
    And we are "host" This is the "nashenski".
    1. sashka
      0
      April 20 2013 12: 20
      Probably "three-volt!" Hangs together with "esauk @ L Let's shout" Hurray "and everything will be ..
      1. djon3volta
        -1
        April 21 2013 07: 17
        Quote: Sasha
        Probably "three-volt!"

        count it, no! I went into this topic for the second time. I liked Khrushchev because he made Americans put it on his pants when he put a nuclear pistol at his temple and even cocked the trigger (Cuba)!
    2. sashka
      0
      April 20 2013 12: 30
      What is the problem..?
  20. AK-47
    +9
    April 20 2013 08: 37
    Three mistakes that Khrushchev did not have time to make in housing construction:
    - did not have time to make the lavatory through;
    - combine the toilet with the bath;
    - connect the floor to the ceiling.
    laughing
  21. SEM
    SEM
    +3
    April 20 2013 08: 49
    History doesn’t change, we have what we have, there is only one thing left to survive and we will survive. You can argue for a long time who is right and who was wrong then only we live now and this is most important in this case. Everyone needs to work so that there is something to pass on to the children and it would not be a shame, since it is too late to whine.
  22. Backfire
    +12
    April 20 2013 09: 30
    Khrushchev and "smart moves" are two incompatible concepts.

    To truly appreciate the era, you need to live in it. But thanks to the surviving footage and TV, we can get an idea of ​​Khrushchev. By the way, in life, we do this all the time - when we are dealing with a new person, then it is enough to talk to him, observe or at least listen to him and very soon you get an idea of ​​what he is. The so called "background".

    I personally had the impression of Khrushchev as of a narrow-minded person. Of course, he was a master of "undercover" intrigue, not a coward, but this is not enough for the leadership of the country.

    And if we talk about the course with which he led the country, then there are a couple of questions to him:

    Why was the course begun by Stalin in the early 50s on the creation of its own currency zone curtailed? By the way, if the version that Stalin was killed is true, then most likely it is for this. Such people are usually removed not for what they have done, but for what they are going to.

    Few people here understand how the USSR was dangerous to the "West". Rockets, tanks, planes, "Workers of all countries unite!" - that's all yes, but the main thing was different.
    All its existence, especially from the post-war era until its collapse, the Union was dangerous primarily because of its financial system built on other principles than the usurious interest.
    Perhaps Stalin "groped" the right direction and, most likely, wanted to create a single currency zone with China and Eastern Europe. The sharp cooling in relations with China, almost immediately after Stalin's death, is very eloquent.

    And the second question - why did he so pour mud over Stalin? Even 3 years after his death, this was a risky step - people still remembered what Stalin was and most importantly in what conditions he led the country.

    One of the obvious reasons may be that Khrushchev was personally involved in the elimination of Stalin.

    And another reason - for less than 3 years he broke so much firewood that he saw the only way out for himself to slander his predecessor.

    In any case, Khrushchev is simply mediocrity that "pissed off" a very interesting position.
    So he had only one mistake when he imagined himself to be a man capable of leading such a country as the USSR, especially when the people and world leaders still remembered Stalin.
  23. +5
    April 20 2013 09: 48
    One tyrant endowed with unlimited power will do many troubles in any country and in any system. Our General Secretary and their entourage what they wanted to do, this tradition was passed on to the Russian rulers and their proteges. Only how much nonsense was done uncontrollably by one tyrant Serdyukov, etc. etc .. MECHANISMS FOR MONITORING THE ACTIVITIES OF THE FIRST PERSONS OF THE STATE NEED real, not formal.
  24. dikiybober
    -12
    April 20 2013 09: 52
    Stalin kept Khrushchev in the role of a clown, a jester. But it was an evil buffoon and he took revenge on his sovereign in full.

    SuperJoker coped with the rest of the program ... And the little bat, having got drunk with the lab, laborers palicha, opened the pile of money and the road
    Quote: Backfire
    And the second question - why did he so pour mud over Stalin? Even 3 years after his death, it was a risky step - people still remembered what Stalin was and most importantly in what conditions he led the country

    It was just that the Soviet leadership decided to install a "presumptuous secretary from some sort of Ukraine" and close up the autopsy of the "under-betman", but Nikita Sergeevich and broke in their answer to the very best ...
    By the way, they got off easy - Zhukov, in his "famous" speech about the defeat of the anti-party group, so accidentally remarked "that NS Khrushchov had mistakes" and after reading the Jacobi raster lists signed by Khroshchovim, including the names of Kaganovich and Molotov, the truth immediately added looking directly at the subject, apparently there is some mistake laughing
  25. +5
    April 20 2013 10: 01
    It ended with the ideological catastrophe of 1979 - the entry of the "Limited contingent of Soviet troops" into Afghanistan. Whatever regular propagandists said about this, it sounded unconvincing precisely because there was no serious theoretical, ideological justification.
    But there was a military rationale. In Europe there were "Pershing" and the entire European part of the USSR was under attack. They did not reach the Urals, where all our military industrial potential was located. If we had not entered Afghanistan, the Americans would have come there. Placing "Pershing" there, they would have kept the Southern and Middle Urals at gunpoint. Flight time is 10 minutes. It is not possible to "fill" the head during this time. The entry was forced.
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      0
      April 21 2013 23: 20
      An old song, I listened to it in the 79th ...... you say nonsense, the introduction of troops became a thunder for amers out of the blue ....
  26. fenix57
    +4
    April 20 2013 10: 30
    Quote: L. Konstantin
    sell your homeland! this is actually a complete anus! and sell Siberia from the Far East! and MODERATOR! Do not share what is written! I understand what kind of poo you are. but there’s not a drop for you

    I am in Primorye; - and in the service to whom you write yours, I will raise your forks.
  27. dikiybober
    -8
    April 20 2013 10: 34
    Quote: vlbelugin
    In Europe there were "Pershing" and the entire European part of the USSR was under attack. They did not reach the Urals, where all our military industrial potential was located. If we had not entered Afghanistan, the Americans would have come there. Placing "Pershing" there, they would have kept the Southern and Middle Urals at gunpoint. Flight time is 10 minutes. It is not possible to "fill" the head during this time. The entry was forced.

    Chuv dzvin that does not know de vin. The invasion of Afghanistan was forced but far from necessary. And no one was going to introduce any "pershing" to Afghanistan. Tell this to some grandmother on the block. The decision to send troops was made in connection with the desire to support their own in the internal party struggle for power in which the "Stalinist" amine cut out the entire internal party opposition and just all who were not busy. Plus to Afghanistan unevenly gave China, which received Lyuli at the beginning of the same 1979 from the "soviets" in Vietnam and Cambodia. The introduction of Chinese troops was just real, America even gave the go-ahead (then they had a particularly ardent love with China ...)
  28. itr
    -2
    April 20 2013 10: 38
    I do not agree with the author!
  29. dikiybober
    -4
    April 20 2013 10: 43
    Quote: DPN
    He had a good one. People still live in Khrushchev and have many other houses and do not shine. Take WWII veterans with them left with a gulkin nose and they can’t get housing! They’re the youngest

    well, good to say the least, by the way, a curious link http://www.kvartira-spb.com/hronologiya-tipovoi-zastroiki.html
    The main message is that if the standards of the "Stalinist Empire" were preserved in construction, the country in the "golden stagnant" years would not have been counted in millions of square meters of living space.
    And citizens "historians" well remember who was there in the USSR (under Dzhugashvili) was the main specialist in architecture - to the point that projects such as the main building of Moscow State University required his visa ?? Well, what can we say about the conscience and intellect of this "person" ????
  30. dikiybober
    -12
    April 20 2013 11: 11
    Quote: Backfire

    Why was the course begun by Stalin in the early 50s on the creation of its own currency zone curtailed? By the way, if the version that Stalin was killed is true, then most likely it is for this. Such people are usually removed not for what they have done, but for what they are going to.

    Few people here understand how the USSR was dangerous to the "West". Rockets, tanks, planes, "Workers of all countries unite!" - that's all yes, but the main thing was different.
    All its existence, especially from the post-war era until its collapse, the Union was dangerous primarily because of its financial system built on other principles than the usurious interest.

    Vobsche is not the topic. It was Stalin who was one of the conductors of the Bretton Woods system according to which the whole world was thrown at the feet of the dollar ... And the USSR as well (yes, the stadophile’s siege). And this was done by tying the ruble to gold and confiscating monetary reform. which Khrushchov immediately outplayed without even having received all the fullness of power ...
    For help, google at least about the Rokotov case. This is what the Jews still cannot forgive him, because it was for them in the USSR that the death penalty was again introduced at the suggestion of Khrushchev. And not for some kind of gopniks or bloody murderers from the industrial Donbass, but for the elite of the Jewish world - currency speculators. By the way, the scale of this "business" speaks for itself without a roof at the very top, it was simply impossible to handle such cases, and whoever was at the very top then can answer.
    1. luka095
      +3
      April 20 2013 17: 21
      Unfortunately, your statements, dikiybober, are not the topic. They actually put everything upside down.
      For example, the monetary reform of Khrushchev was carried out in 1961. Khrushchev came to power in 1953.
      And many of your statements in the same vein ...
  31. dikiybober
    -9
    April 20 2013 12: 10
    At the beginning of 1944 in Kiev (after his liberation by the Soviet troops) N. Khrushchev said: “I understand that you, as a Jew, consider this issue from a subjective point of view. But we are objective: Jews in the past committed many sins against the Ukrainian people. The people hate them for this. In our Ukraine, we do not need Jews. And, I think, for Ukrainian Jews who survived Hitler’s attempts to exterminate them, it would be better not to return here. It would be better if they went to Birobidzhan ... After all, we are here in Ukraine ... Do you understand? Here is Ukraine. And we are not interested in the Ukrainian people interpreting the return of Soviet power as the return of the Jews [

    Appreciate you asp and not rest. Itself through all the local forums ... I water the lane qiu "Lyudin" but
    NOW NOT EVENING,
  32. Volkhov
    +6
    April 20 2013 12: 20
    Khrushchev did not have mistakes - this is a conscious policy and not invented by him. Stalin tried to bring Russia to sovereignty and technical development, and Khrushchev drove deeper into the colony.
  33. +7
    April 20 2013 12: 31
    There was one mistake. Turned the course of Stalin. Back in 36, Stalin wanted to hold alternative elections. And at the 19th congress, he declared that the party should be engaged in ideology, and for solving problems there are councils of PEOPLE'S deputies, which were not necessarily party members. Under Stalin, large-scale industry belonged to the state, cooperatives were engaged in the rest (among their members there were even heroes of labor). There were collective farms, but they also did not take away subsidiary plots and livestock from anyone (after Khrushchev's reforms they threw HIS farm and died in the city). Money was paid for cost reduction (part went to implementation, the rest went to premiums, moreover, constant). Anyone could become rich not just in obscurity, but in their own mind. MTS - why poheril? Station those. maintenance of tractor and other equipment. As a result, illiterate exploitation.
  34. Eric
    +2
    April 20 2013 12: 49
    You don't have to wear gray hair, like many of our comrades on the site, to understand "Khrushchev's role in history."
  35. dikiybober
    -6
    April 20 2013 13: 05
    here єVreysky komіsar mriіlivo posmіhayuchis think к yak vin will be rubati Ukrainian villagers on cabbage ...
    And here is schaslifiy final smile

    1. +3
      April 20 2013 19: 12
      Well, about this there is the right deal
  36. L. konstantin
    -6
    April 20 2013 14: 02
    dear "respected" generals and their henchmen! tie insult and impose your point of view! and there is no need to write a stigma about same-sex marriage !!! otherwise this is already ponocea! After that, I get the impression that you are most concerned about this! if you need it! then you need to correspond on a completely different site!)
  37. Bator79
    +5
    April 20 2013 14: 13
    Khrush and his accomplices poisoned Stalin. Beria (the man who stopped the repression who created the USSR’s Nuclear Shield) should have been Stalin’s heir), but Khrushch again shot Beria.
    1. +3
      April 20 2013 19: 15
      I completely agree with this. It seems to me that there was a Western conspiracy against Stalin, and his weapon was Khrushchev.
  38. fenix57
    +1
    April 20 2013 14: 24
    Quote: L. Konstantin
    u! although I'm fsbshnik)

    [b] You would say, "FSB officer .." and nothing else. At least to respect for the RUSSIAN LANGUAGE.

    After all, you are for RUSSIA, isn’t it ...?
    [/B]
  39. +2
    April 20 2013 15: 01
    Khrushchev has only one mistake - it is himself.
    1. +6
      April 20 2013 15: 16
      This is not his mistake but his parents wassat
      1. +7
        April 20 2013 15: 53
        Quote: Ruslan67
        This is not his mistake but his parents

        Eh, they didn’t have contraceptives ...
        laughing
  40. +1
    April 20 2013 15: 05
    Khrushchev himself mistake1
  41. Net
    Net
    0
    April 20 2013 15: 48
    But the lack of service, as well as product poverty, the lack of entertainment - were immediately evident. In turn, the Soviet tourist, having fallen to the West, did not see the class contradictions of capitalism at point blank range, but the abundance of goods, the level of service and the entertainment sector threw him into a cognitive and psychological shock.

    So think, what is the equivalent contrast - commodity poverty, the level of service against the class contradictions of capitalism. What could not establish abundance of goods, raise the level of service? It is not class contradictions to decide!
  42. Anton Russian
    +4
    April 20 2013 16: 50
    Khrushchev had only one mistake - he became Secretary General.
    1. -1
      April 21 2013 21: 01
      Quote: Anton Russian
      Khrushchev had only one mistake - he became Secretary General.

      You are mistaken two, the first and main because you were born
  43. +4
    April 20 2013 16: 54
    Quote: AntonR7
    Perhaps the Crimea hrushchev handed over to Ukraine is also not a mistake ?!

    This is not a mistake - this is a crime.
    1. +1
      April 20 2013 20: 33
      It didn't mean anything at the time. In the USSR, Ukraine lived freely (miners were paid decent wages for their work). Ask then, in the same Rostov region: do you agree to become a part of Ukraine? The majority would agree! It was not his crime, but the crime was drinking in "Belovezhskaya Pushcha" and its result.
  44. +1
    April 20 2013 16: 56

    Something like this. I will not forgive Sevastopol.
  45. Backfire
    +6
    April 20 2013 17: 04
    Quote: dikiybober
    Vobsche is not the topic. It was Stalin who was one of the conductors of the Bretton Woods system according to which the whole world was thrown at the feet of the dollar ...

    Yah? And that the USSR entered the dollar zone after the 2nd World War? Or accepted the Marshall Plan?

    This is you "not at all in the subject":
    The Bretton Woods agreements were signed in 1944, according to which the dollar became the main world currency instead of the pound sterling. And how could the USSR influence or be a "conductor" here ?!

    Stalin that during the war had to "set conditions"? Say, do not you dare to make the dollar the world's main reserve currency?
    How could he influence the agreements to which the USSR had nothing at all!

    Quote: dikiybober
    . And this was done by tying the ruble to gold and confiscating monetary reform. which Khrushchov immediately outplayed without even having received all the fullness of power ...

    What "confiscation reform" are you writing about?

    After the war, the USSR was in an extremely difficult situation - half the country was destroyed, a bunch of specialists were killed, the monetary system was upset.

    Who accumulated a lot of money during the war? Speculators and thieves!

    You at least read about the conditions for the exchange of money of that reform, look at the amounts that could be changed 1: 1 and compare with salaries.
    Honest people lost nothing from that reform.
    Lost only those who profited from the people's grief.
    1. +4
      April 20 2013 20: 07
      + You answered perfectly !!!!!!!!!! And we add that in the USSR, the Central Bank was nationalized and belonged to the state, but it is not clear to whom (in the person of the Fed), + RUBLE was tied to gold, and not to the dollar ... That is the fool understands that the USSR was in no way dependent on the world banking system .... And we did not give a damn about the fluctuations of the dollar exchange rate from a high bell tower hi
      1. dikiybober
        -1
        April 21 2013 07: 49
        Quote: Raven1972
        + RUBLE was tied to gold

        for those who are in the tank, with this phrase you said "the ruble was tied to the dollar (through gold)" because this was the essence of the Bretton Woods system. How many young morons (regardless of the number of years according to the passport) do not explain, they will never understand. After all, they did not read Capital, and they replaced the economic theory of Marx with "Stalin's true Orthodoxy."
        Khrushchev, and this is his greatest merit, broke this system and made the Central Bank completely controlled by the government of the USSR (under the steel, a system was in effect much similar to the current "currency board")
        1. 0
          April 21 2013 19: 40
          Nah, it’s what the gold standard is, and not the dollar exchange rate in gold ... This is a big difference ... And I read Capital better than some hi
          And this was done just under Stalin (the Central Bank was subordinated to the government of the USSR) and not under Khrushchev, so do not bother ...
          Py.sy. Only beavers do not know this, apparently, they except biting trees no longer know anything at all ... laughing
  46. luka095
    +5
    April 20 2013 17: 14
    Khrushchev's efforts to destroy Stalin's legacy are not "mistakes." This is a deliberate policy invented not only by Khrushchev himself.
    1. +3
      April 20 2013 19: 16
      He couldn’t come up with anything. He just used it as a pres
  47. luka095
    0
    April 20 2013 17: 25
    The author of the article is definitely a minus. He reduces the problem to propaganda slogans. And that’s all!
    1. Alexander-81
      0
      April 20 2013 20: 24
      Well, freedom of speech as it is now (WITH THE DECLARED LAW on freedom of speech before leaving) I do not need it, in ANY AMENDMENTS!
  48. 0
    April 20 2013 19: 24
    Stalin either went too far or didn’t finish that, as a result, Stalin’s entourage chose the secretary general of the jester.
  49. 0
    April 20 2013 19: 24
    Stalin either went too far or didn’t finish that, as a result, Stalin’s entourage chose the secretary general of the jester.
  50. 0
    April 20 2013 19: 25
    Stalin either went too far or didn’t finish that, as a result, Stalin’s entourage chose the secretary general of the jester.
  51. +1
    April 20 2013 19: 25
    Stalin either went too far or didn’t finish that, as a result, Stalin’s entourage chose the secretary general of the jester.
  52. Nitup
    +8
    April 20 2013 19: 42
    Khrushchev entered into a fight with a dead lion, and came out a loser. W. Churchill
    1. dikiybober
      -5
      April 21 2013 15: 26
      Quote: Nitup
      Khrushchev entered into a fight with a dead lion, and came out a loser. W. Churchill

      Well, yes, well, yes - out of the ordinary, our little goat ate a wolf. In fact, Khrushch, with the help of Beria, “helped Dzhugashvili accept final Orthodoxy” and then removed Beria himself... And then he demolished ALL the monuments to Dzhugashvili and who the question is lost. Khrushchev won and Stalin died
      1. Nitup
        0
        April 21 2013 16: 26
        Khrushchev is a nonentity, a political pygmy. No one really remembers him because he doesn’t deserve it. But Stalin was remembered, is remembered and will be remembered, because Russia’s greatest victories are associated with him. Under Stalin, the Russian people achieved the greatest influence and power in the world. And the one who squandered (I think, hardly out of his own bewilderment) the legacy left by Stalin’s Russia will face well-deserved oblivion. This is where Khrushchev’s defeat lies.
        1. dikiybober
          -5
          April 21 2013 20: 25
          OGA only when Truman so slightly shook his finger at Dzhugashvili, he immediately crap himself and immediately withdrew troops in 1946 from the territory of Iran and surrendered the local communists and surrendered southern Azerbaijan (which at that time provided about half of ALL oil production of the USSR) without a single shot. But you will still lick this potty's ass regardless of any facts. such is your nature of latent...
          1. Nitup
            0
            April 21 2013 20: 51
            You're already getting personal. A clear sign of a lack of reasonable arguments. And I won’t even discuss Truman with Thumb.
        2. -1
          April 24 2013 10: 57
          Stalin is even worse than Hitler - BECAUSE STALIN KILLED HIS OWN AND HITLER KILLED ALIENS!!!
          And the entire course of the Second World War, the colossal sacrifices - speak of incompetent and ostentatious command and control of troops, especially in the pre-war period!!! And many victories of the USSR (with all due respect to the veterans) are simply victories in numbers!!!

          Think about it: 20 million dead - and this is the very minimum number - it is very difficult to kill such a number of people, no matter how the Germans bombed and no matter how much they abused the civilian population...
          This number is determined by only one thing - massive military losses... How many mass graves are there from Stalingrad to Berlin? Who counted how many dead were buried there???

          Nobody knows and no one has counted - and everyone is fed stories on TV or slick films...

  53. -7
    April 20 2013 20: 06
    An absolutely crazy article - actually, the period of the reign of Khrushchev and Brezhnev was the peak of the development of the USSR - politically, economically and in the military sphere too...
    I would like to remind those who suffer from amnesia that it was under Khrushchev that the USSR directly threatened America near its borders and behaved in the international arena equally with the USA... It was during this period that the West negotiated on equal terms with the USSR - without any concessions or conditions.. It was during this period that half the world threw off the colonial yoke and for many third world countries the USSR was the freest country in the world!!! It was at that time that there were demonstrations of young people in support of socialism (by the way, under red flags) in all countries of Western Europe, and France was even considering the issue of moving to the Socialist camp!!!

    Under Khrushchev and Brezhnev, simply colossal material benefits were created for the country - many orders of magnitude more than is being done now, and we still use much of what was built then!!! Any political punks should not criticize political giants!!! You're not tall enough - kids in short pants - first learn to think at least approximately as globally as it was in Khrushchev and Brezhnev times...
    1. Alexander-81
      +4
      April 20 2013 20: 30
      Forgive me, who is not educated, but these BOTH lived on what was PLANNED AND CREATED UNDER THE FATHER OF NATIONS. This is my vision!
      1. -2
        April 20 2013 20: 32
        How do you know that this was laid down under Stalin? And West Berlin and the federal structure of the USSR - these clearly Stalinist mistakes - were these also laid down by the all-seeing and all-knowing Father of Nations? :)))

        but these BOTH lived on what was PLANNED AND CREATED UNDER THE FATHER OF NATIONS

        But the same Gorbachev, who lived on what was laid down before him, managed to get everything done in record time!!! And Khrushchev and Brezhnev still developed what was before them!!!
    2. MG42
      +4
      April 21 2013 16: 06
      Comparing Khrushchev and Stalin is not entirely correct, well, at least because there was a Second World War and to restore the country from ruins, although I have already given the example of “Khrushchev” - mass housing with small kitchens and low ceilings and compare with the “Stalinist” which of them built for the people ?, and the corn farmer Khrushchev, and knocked his shoe on the UN podium - I remember that. Brezhnev is a completely different story.
      1. 0
        April 24 2013 11: 12
        I am surprised by the desire of many to live surrounded by political myths and legends - it’s probably more comfortable this way... Everything seems simple and in place... Our whites are black enemies...

        By the way, under Khrushchev, for the first time in the history of the USSR, housing was built in entire microdistricts and en masse - for ordinary citizens... And Stalinka was mainly inhabited by the nomenklatura and hanger-on intelligentsia...

        Whether Nikita Sergeevich knocked on the table with his shoe or not - what difference does it make in the grand scheme of things? The main thing is that the West listened to him and respected him - and did not pretend to respect him - this is the attitude we see towards modern Russia..
  54. +3
    April 20 2013 20: 20
    “The criminal actions of Khrushchev and his
    handy will have long-term
    consequences, they will lead to rebirth, and
    then to the destruction of the USSR and the CPSU ... "
    Mao Zedong and Enver Hoxha.
    (Joint statement “On the day
    birth I.V. Stalin "from 21
    December 1964)
    “Of course, there is no direct evidence that Khrushchev contributed to the physical death of Stalin, but the fact that he was subsequently the initiator of the struggle against the dead Stalin, the gravedigger of his political and civil personality, human dignity, a discrediter of him as an outstanding leader of the party and the Soviet people , the leader of international communism and even desecrated his grave - all this does not honor Khrushchev and puts him on a par with those who wanted to remove Stalin long before his death.” (Dokuchaev M.S. History remembers.).
    Everything that is attributed in “+” to N.S. Khrushchev is “STALIN’S BACKGROUND”.
    P.S People remember Novocherkassk!
  55. +1
    April 20 2013 20: 23
    The biggest mistake: Khrushchev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, that they took up politics and not agronomy! In this field, they would have brought much more benefit to the USSR and the Russian Federation.
    1. -2
      April 20 2013 20: 37
      Just don’t equate Khrushchev with the political scum of the 80s... Gorbachev was simply an agent of the West - all his activities from 1985 to 1991 were the direct dismantling of the Soviet system!!! No wonder the West rewarded him so richly!!!

      In order not to be unfounded, here is the link -

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rcvei62yyFI
  56. Alexander 1958
    +4
    April 20 2013 20: 23
    That’s right - the achievements are truly impressive, but we must remember that the foundation of these achievements was laid during the time of Stalin, and now we are taking advantage of it. What about.. Learn to think GLOBALLY like Khrushchev..- belay , and can you say anything else funny? laughing Alexander 1958
    1. -1
      April 20 2013 20: 54
      I don’t understand why you see everything in black and white!!! Why idealize Stalin? - a bunch of people were allowed in his possession strategic mistakes!!! And all responsibility lies with him personally!!! The same Khrushchev and Brezhnev never had the power that Stalin had!!!

      Learn to think GLOBALLY like Khrushchev..-, and can you say anything else funny? Alexander 1958


      Well then, think globally according to Yeltsin - vodka, Mercedes, bribe, dacha on the Canary Islands, call girls, lemon tanks - well, let the country be in complete ass... This is probably more global than words from the Khrushchev era - space, satellite, virgin lands , atom, icebreaker, campus...

      As they say - no comments!!! :))))))))))))))
      1. +1
        April 21 2013 22: 58
        I don’t understand why you see everything in black and white!!! Why idealize Stalin? - a lot of strategic mistakes were made under him!!! And all responsibility lies with him personally!!! The same Khrushchev and Brezhnev never had the power that Stalin had!!! Well then, think globally according to Yeltsin - vodka, Mercedes, a bribe, a dacha on the Canary Islands, call girls, lemon tanks - well, let the country be in complete ass- tse...This is probably more global than words from the Khrushchev era - space, satellite, virgin soil, atom, icebreaker, campus...

        As they say - no comments!!! :))))))))))))))

        Something all lumped together - why does Yeltsin = Stalin??? And why does all responsibility, including for Khrushchev’s mistakes, lie with Stalin? Khrushchev really wanted to catch up and overtake - and overtook “but in the field of ballet we are ahead of the rest” (Yu. Vizbor). And something broke - and his insatiable ego broke. Endless and obscene.
  57. -1
    April 20 2013 20: 34
    Quote: Selevc
    How do you know that ALL of this was laid down under Stalin? And West Berlin and the federal structure of the USSR - these clearly Stalinist mistakes - were these also laid down by the all-seeing and all-knowing Father of Nations? :)))
    1. Alexander 1958
      +1
      April 20 2013 21: 09
      There is no need to fly into a rage and answer a question with a question!
      Quote: Selevc
      How do you know that ALL of this was laid down under Stalin

      - Well, if you still need proof that industry, the defense industry and the army and much more were founded during the reign of Stalin, then it’s no longer interesting. stop
      Alexander 1958
      1. -6
        April 20 2013 21: 33
        Well, excuse me, but did Stalin lay the foundations of the Soviet army by shooting many Soviet marshals and other officers? Original approach!!! And if Stalin was such a far-sighted military leader, then why did the disaster of 1941 happen? After all, before this everything was so beautiful - military parades, exercises, congresses and reports!!! And then June 22nd came!!! And in fact, everything turned out to be far from being as rosy as Stalin’s falcons sang!!! :)))

        As for the civilian sector of the economy - after the war, Stalin ruled for only 7 years and by the time Khrushchev came to power, much was still in ruins, outdated and undeveloped!!! By the way, under Stalin there was a famine on the 33rd and 47th... And under Khrushchev, at least people no longer starved...
        1. Misantrop
          +4
          April 21 2013 00: 21
          Quote: Selevc
          By the way, under Stalin there was a famine on the 33rd and 47th... And under Khrushchev, at least people no longer starved...

          Between what? Can you tell me who led the starved Ukraine in 1947, not Khrushchev, by any chance?
          1. -4
            April 21 2013 06: 55
            In the USSR during the reign of Stalin - I will repeat ALL more or less important decisions were made exclusively with HIS personal approval!!! Khrushchev was just a tool in the hands of Stalin!!!

            The famine of 1947 was a consequence of political decisions... If Stalin had wanted, he could have agreed with the governments of other countries on the supply of food to the USSR, but for some reason he did not do this...
        2. dikiybober
          -5
          April 21 2013 07: 35
          Quote: Selevc
          By the way, under Stalin there was a famine on the 33rd and 47th... And under Khrushchev, at least people no longer starved...

          You're crucifying yourself for nothing. How many scattered people do not see the dew in their eyes? As Nakita Sergeevich said, many miss the owner’s whip. I’ll add on my own behalf “dear scattered people” are simply created for her. Now, if Putin, for the slightest doubt in his “genius,” began to imprison millions and shoot hundreds of thousands - well, at least those who do not strictly follow the “Edra” line in everything, like many on this forum. Then “they” would sing hosannas to him. those who would survive, of course.
  58. Seraph
    0
    April 20 2013 21: 36
    Khrushch, aka Perlmutr, is a rabid Trotskyist, a revisionist, a traitor to the people and, in addition, a stupid person. But who is Robertson, the author of the article? Where does he work, what does he do? Does anyone have any information?
    1. 0
      April 20 2013 22: 01
      Quote: Seraphim
      Where does he work, what does he do? Does anyone have any information?

      Yandex has everything. laughing
      that's what it looks like. A little. But if you look harder, I think you can dig up more.
      http://4781.odnako.org/
  59. +3
    April 20 2013 21: 37
    So you read, read the comments and think - well, how many of the SMARTEST PEOPLE we have! And most importantly, everything is so simple - good, bad, good... Simple, like everything ingenious! Stalin is good, and after that everyone is bad! And now it’s completely dark! I don't want to live! However, everyone lives and even writes! A mystery of nature?! An even bigger mystery is how, given such a terrifying life after Stalin, the Union even existed and how many local authors were able to survive and even be born, and how, with such a “terribly anti-people modern government” in Russia, they are not afraid to openly express their disagreement?! In general, the real heroes are the sages! True, it reminds me very much of the main character in one of our classic works, called “A Profitable Place.”
  60. Vtel
    +1
    April 20 2013 23: 11
    Khrushch's main mistake is that he was born in the USSR, and not in Africa in some tribe, he would have grown bananas with corn there, but now he is probably burning, may God forgive me, in Hell.
    1. -4
      April 20 2013 23: 59
      Why don’t you like corn - by the way, corn is a food source for agriculture... Corn in many countries is used to feed animals... May I ask, what kind of sausage do you eat? From ancient Argentine buffalo meat or from Polish or Danish pork stuffed with chemicals?

      Take popular science literature from the times of Khrushchev and watch films of various genres of those years - maybe you will get out of democratic darkness and stupidity at least a little!!!
  61. Misantrop
    +5
    April 21 2013 00: 17
    Quote: Selevc
    Why don’t you like corn? By the way, corn is a food source for agriculture...
    Corn has one very negative feature - it does not want to ripen in a week, even on the direct orders of the Politburo of the CPSU Central Committee. And it is also in no hurry to grow on permafrost. Terribly politically incorrect culture request
    1. -4
      April 21 2013 06: 41
      What are you driving? - Russia (not to mention the other republics of the USSR) is one of the world leading countries in terms of the amount of arable land... What kind of permafrost? You have plenty of land to grow everything!!!

      On my shelf there is a thick scientific tome from the time of Khrushchev’s reign and there is an article by a Norwegian scientist about growing some crops in northern conditions - on bare rocks and practically without soil!!! So read the materiel - I think that the passion for frost-resistant plants was not only here but all over the world at that time!!! Or do you think Norwegians are fools too? :)))
      1. +3
        April 21 2013 08: 30
        Quote: Selevc
        On my shelf there is a thick scientific tome from the time of Khrushchev’s reign and there is an article by a Norwegian scientist about growing some crops in northern conditions - on bare rocks and practically without soil!!! So read the materiel - I think that the passion for frost-resistant plants was not only here but all over the world at that time!!! Or do you think Norwegians are fools too? :)))

        Of course not. Just by reading this book, the Norwegian farmer decides for himself whether to take risks or not, because he himself will be responsible for these actions. But with us it all looked completely different. It is not known what Khrushchev read and where. Most likely he heard or saw somewhere - and then away we go...And the worse we are, we must also catch up and overtake... So, without any theoretical preparation, we began to implement the “general line of the party” and what was the result? And as a result, we began to buy grain... It’s like the proverb - make a fool pray to God, he’ll break his forehead...
        1. +1
          April 21 2013 10: 09
          No, by the way - we were developing virgin lands... What's wrong with that? In any country where there is virgin land, reclaiming it is a benefit for everyone!!!

          As for Norway, this is fundamental research by a scientist!!! This is a serious article in a beautiful book, colorfully designed, from the field of breeding, designed to popularize science, accessible to everyone and not a manual for use...Can I ask what Russian scientists are writing now? And who needs this in the grand scheme of things?

          By the way, the famous academician Velikhov - his first articles on physics also appeared in that book... By the way, during the time of Khrushchev, and by the way, he was published at the same level as world scientists - then still a young Soviet “luminary of science”... And how many works are covered there in medicine, nuclear physics, genetics, chemistry, psychology - listen, such a level of accessibility for the masses of science and education does not exist now and is not expected in Russia or Ukraine!!!

          Do you happen to buy any food products overseas now? I think that both you in Russia and here in Ukraine the situation is approximately the same... The village is dying out and is unprofitable for the most part, for some reason large herds of cattle and livestock farms are not visible - but all the shops - from the stall to the supermarket - are littered sausages and balyk... THAT IS, IT'S ALL IMPORTED!!!
          1. +2
            April 21 2013 13: 58
            Quote: Selevc
            THAT IS, IT'S ALL IMPORTED!!!

            There is such a thing, but we no longer buy grain abroad, but sell it ourselves, just like you. The point here is not to interfere with the agricultural producer, but to manage wisely and not with the instructions of a party official, but to conclude agreements, the farmer, because if he is able to do something, he will do it, but if not, then he will not undertake it.. .
  62. dikiybober
    -3
    April 21 2013 07: 59
    Quote: dddym
    But strange - next to Bandera you need to put one :)

    If it’s not a Vichar, we’ll definitely install it (although he would be against it - and besides, it was he who gave the order to kill S.A. Bandera)
    But the fact is that Khrushchev did as much for Ukraine as none of her sons did before him... and it’s not a fact that anyone will be able to do at least as much, let alone more...
  63. sashka
    +1
    April 21 2013 08: 07
    Crimea is OUR.. and HERE NOT EVEN STANDING CLOSE.. YOU ARE “GIFTED TO YOURSELF”
    1. dikiybober
      -5
      April 21 2013 09: 38
      OGA yours, yours. just like the Far East... What goes wrong is gone. or do you have illusions about this?
  64. sashka
    +1
    April 21 2013 08: 09
    Didn't understand ? Little Russian is a dirty word?
    1. +1
      April 21 2013 13: 59
      Quote: Sasha
      Didn't understand ? Little Russian is a dirty word?

      No, but here ka in “classics” is a dirty word and I ask you not to use it... feel
  65. L. konstantin
    +1
    April 21 2013 08: 19
    opera! Half the kids are here! what will they understand? Do you see what kind of shoulder straps they have!? they are proud of it! captain generals! yes yes I'm talking about you Sasha)
  66. +2
    April 21 2013 10: 54
    Well, if you don’t take into account obvious trolls, and you shouldn’t pay attention to them, I’d like to say this. The radicalism is simply sincerely surprising, i.e. attempts by many local authors to paint everything in frankly black or white tones! Khrushchev was not good or bad, Brezhnev was not, and even Stalin (I’m not afraid of this word here) was not either! I'm not talking about such odious personalities as Gorbachev and Yeltsin.
    Politicians of this magnitude may or may not have strong personalities. We are not talking here about the outright betrayals of Gorbachev's time and not about the vicious personalities of Yeltsin's who grabbed political luck by the tail... Khrushchev was not an enemy during his reign, taxes were reduced and purchase prices for agricultural producers increased, we were the first to go into space, nuclear parity with the USA was achieved and even the naive passion for corn was dictated by good intentions! Nevertheless, I will say that Khrushchev did not make three mistakes! He accomplished many more! This is gigantomania and attempts to solve global problems in record time and what I have the opportunity to observe every day in Crimea and... A politician, statesman of this magnitude may or may not meet the interests of the vast majority of society, I’m talking about modernity. Hence the assessment of his activities in history! I don't believe in democracy. A minority, if it is constructive, must create a constructive opposition, promote it, and convince them of the correctness of their views. The destiny of the unconstructive opposition is the inscriptions on the fences. Putin is a thief! Those. I shit myself in the entrance and felt like a real revolutionary!
    Some authors are clearly guilty of nihilism and bazaarism. It was especially funny to observe how many, who were essentially heterogeneous intelligentsia, threatened to break up this very intelligentsia.
    And the mistakes of historical figures are especially visible from the outside after a significant time has passed. It has become easy to criticize their brilliant minds!
    I have a quick question - was IVAN THE TERRIBLE good or bad?
    Quote: L. Konstantin
    opera! Half the kids are here! what will they understand?

    Unfortunately, I can’t clearly judge the age of the authors, but if children read it, it’s already good!
  67. +2
    April 21 2013 14: 35
    I agree with Opera. Khrushchev is a mass of erroneous strategic decisions with some successful ones. One gets the feeling that the man had a vague idea of ​​his goals, but really wanted to be and look like a big player. And Stalin’s biggest mistake in the last years of his reign was that he did not have time to carry out a purge, similar to 37, in the highest echelons of power and among those close to them. The purge of '37 made it possible to inject fresh blood and renew the state. For those who do not understand, I am arguing from the global point of view of benefits for the state, and not from the point of view of emotions and humanity (it is impossible to be guided by them when governing the state).
    By comparison, Napoleon made the same mistake by not updating his approach after 1809. As a result, he relied on people who had already received everything, imagined themselves to be superior, and could no longer and did not want to act the way he needed. And all Personalities in History have made such mistakes. Well, returning to Khrushchev - he was not a personality and, accordingly, it is naive to expect strategically correct decisions from him...
    About the article - what the author was trying to say by mixing everything together is unclear. The fact is that the title does not correspond to the content - therefore a minus...
  68. dikiybober
    -7
    April 21 2013 15: 09
    Quote: Arkt
    The purge of '37 allowed fresh blood to be injected

    It’s a pity that you ... .... then they cleared out your ancestors, or your ancestors ... so where ... are the moderators looking?
    I wonder what the difference is between... the bastards who sing “my grandfather was an SS commander” and this...
    1. MG42
      +5
      April 21 2013 15: 51
      Quote: dikiybober
      So where... are the moderators looking?

      Indeed, wherever they look, the comments in Surzhik and Stepan Bandera drove you, but they are very loyal.
  69. 0
    April 21 2013 17: 10
    Stalin's most important mistake (for which I cannot forgive him) is that he "dried out" this bald nit
  70. +1
    April 21 2013 17: 12
    Khrushchev made no mistakes. The mistake was himself. But was it Stalin's mistake? Not at all. Stalin's strongest side was the selection and placement of personnel who were supposed to solve the tasks outlined by Stalin for the short and long term. So it was with Khrushchev, so it was with Zhukov. Where it was necessary to get rid of competitors, people like Khrushchev were suitable. Where it was necessary to drive people without thinking, people like Zhukov were suitable to attack machine guns and cannons or into the inferno of an atomic explosion. Well, he kept reflective personnel, such as Malenkov and Beria, for completely different tasks. Well, after Stalin’s death, Khrushchev turned out to be more agile than all other competitors in Stalin’s place. Moreover, Zhukov really wanted to hide his ends in the water and remove those who knew too much about his “great” victories,” orders to execute not only military personnel but also members of their families and other dark affairs. Well, when will getting rid of witnesses happened and two tyrants found themselves in the same boat, they began to ruin the army with such zeal that it still can’t come to its senses. It’s good that the Cuban missile crisis, initiated by Khrushchev, was put on the brakes. Otherwise, it’s impossible to write comments on this there would be no one on the site now
    1. 0
      April 21 2013 17: 19
      If these are your thoughts, then you are +++. I, in principle, agree with you. And they made a national hero out of this bastard (Zhukov)!
      1. dikiybober
        +1
        April 21 2013 23: 45
        Quote: Den 11
        And they made a national hero out of this bastard (Zhukov)!

        Yes, really without G.K. Nikita and other warriors would not have been able to deal with Beria and his henchmen. But this only confirms that Zhukov is not a cartoon but an absolutely real Hero!!!
        1. 0
          April 23 2013 18: 55
          So, did someone prove that Beria was a greater bastard and executioner than Zhukov? Perhaps this is exactly what it is, i.e. the desire to blame the sins on Beria and not allow him to say everything he knew about Zhukov, Khrushchev and some other “comrades-in-arms” of Stalin was the main reason that Beria was hidden in a bunker, tried in a closed court, a lot of crimes were blamed on him and were not his and shot like a dog. What kind of people are he? Out of ignorance, he is ready to grab everything and approve any decision of his “native party and government”, and unanimously. They will say that today you are the leader, they will shout hurray in honor of you, beloved. Tomorrow they will tell him that it turns out that you were nothing and not a leader, but an English spy, and then all the people, amid the same cries of cheers, will bury you and erase you from history.... until the men at the top change and everything goes in a new circle. Dialectics, in kind.
  71. +2
    April 21 2013 18: 08
    Beaver, if you learn to write in Russian, come. And talking to a clueless teenager is somehow not comme il faut. Yes, and remember, you can’t buy brains - you can only acquire them, although for some people this is no longer possible...
    1. -1
      April 21 2013 18: 21
      Scarecrow, are you talking to me? Read good historians, not history textbooks for the 7th grade. What a fool!
  72. +1
    April 21 2013 21: 03
    Khrushchev made a mistake by being born
  73. +2
    April 21 2013 21: 56
    Quote: gregor6549
    gregor6549

    Maybe you can still say a few words about Ivan the Terrible... Well, really, very interesting! Was he also a mistake or is it because of the oprichnina that the Russian army still hasn’t come to its senses?
    Quote: gregor6549
    Where it was necessary to get rid of competitors

    Quote: gregor6549
    drive people, without thinking, into an attack against machine guns and cannons or into the inferno of an atomic explosion

    Quote: gregor6549
    turned out to be quicker than all other competitors in place

    Quote: gregor6549
    I really wanted to hide the loose ends and remove those who knew too much

    Quote: gregor6549
    about executions of not only military personnel but also members of their families and other dark affairs

    Quote: gregor6549
    disposal of witnesses took place

    Quote: gregor6549
    they began to destroy the army with such zeal that it still cannot come to its senses

    Quote: gregor6549
    There would be no one to write comments on this site now

    Wow!!!! So much expression, intrigue and blood! How brilliantly twisted the plot is and it’s all in 11 lines. Tarantino will shoot himself with envy!
    We look forward to your further literary and historical research.
    1. 0
      April 22 2013 12: 24
      Well, it’s to whom what is given. Some can write, others can only count. If only someone who learned to count to 11 could understand what is written in at least one of the lines....
  74. wax
    +1
    April 21 2013 23: 12
    Robert Robertson showed us that he had learned to write, but had not yet learned to think.
  75. WW3
    WW3
    +2
    April 21 2013 23: 24
    The economic miracle of Khrushchev's housing construction was an increase in the number of square meters due to lower ceiling heights and a reduction in the total area of ​​housing and common areas. However, why do we need quality of life? There is a resettlement plan.
    In continuation of Kuzkina Mother - here is the video
    1. +1
      April 22 2013 00: 33
      Quote: WW3
      The economic miracle of Khrushchev's housing construction was an increase in the number of square meters due to lower ceiling heights and a reduction in the total area of ​​housing and common areas.

      Another nonsense - a house needs a foundation, therefore the foundation determines the height of the building, and if the foundation has 10 floors - what is the point of building 5, and even shrunk to the point of impossibility, years have passed and now you can clearly understand the stupidity and high cost of maintaining these “cheap houses” - everything was done there not thanks to, but in spite of. "Stalin buildings" are still standing and despite the worldview of the apartment OWNERS - the price is only growing, which somehow does not fit in with the "Khrushchev buildings", it seems that they were built later, and more modern, and even cheaper - Oh, isn’t that what they fought for??? WHO NEEDS THEM!!! People want to live in a house, and not in a run-down house for migrant workers to live in (theirs, of course). How much more comfortable are the more spacious PANEL houses of the Brezhnev era, the price of apartments has not changed much, but the attitude towards people has changed, you can already live in them. Lately I have noticed a certain renaissance - a revival of the construction of brick houses, albeit more difficult to build, but how much more convenient to use and warmer!!
      1. WW3
        WW3
        +2
        April 22 2013 00: 44
        I had the opportunity to live in both Stalin and Khrushchev, I know the difference. It’s cold in Khrushchev, it’s hot in summer, the sound insulation leaves much to be desired, the shortcomings of panel houses, the chandelier hangs on the head, but you can get used to it, just like with a small kitchen and bathroom, there are also problems with ventilation. Then the task was mass relocation from communal apartments. But even in modern times, there are residents who prefer the old communal apartments in the center to the Khrushchev-era apartments on the outskirts of the city....
  76. dikiybober
    -1
    April 21 2013 23: 43
    Quote: WW3
    The economic miracle of Khrushchev’s housing construction - an increase in the number of square meters due to lower ceiling heights and a reduction in the total area of ​​housing and common areas

    everything is correct - that is why the ordinary Soviet hard worker got a chance for his own personal real and not virtual everyday happiness. Why are you unfinished Jews still unable to forgive this Man? After all, according to the canons of the Torah, only “God’s chosen ones” like Beria’s executioners “Wassermans” “Kohans” and other steins have the right to life, and the goyish must pull the strap without raising their heads, leading an existence somewhere in barracks or semi-basements, while “ ordinary" Jewish desks. functionaries could proudly turn up their noses in their “apartments” with the parameters of a basketball hall (the height of the Stalin ceiling is 3.6 m) and looked with contempt at the plebs swarming around him... Damn you!!!
    1. WW3
      WW3
      0
      April 21 2013 23: 52
      You'll break a beaver's teeth, creaking with anger on this branch. laughing I have nothing to do with Jews - as they say, you played, but didn’t guess a single letter. And curses tend to come back.
    2. WW3
      WW3
      +2
      April 22 2013 00: 21
      Wild beaver, I don’t know about you, but obviously not Bandera, you’ve harnessed yourself to Khrushchev and are tearing your ass up for the German cross like your Bandera, only because Nikita gave Ukraine Crimea and you consider him the greatest hero of all times and peoples among independentists, but how are your favorites Bendera and Shlyukhevich?, you are here to teach language.
      Quote: dikiybober
      But it’s a fact that Khrushchev did as much for Ukraine as none of her sons did before him... and it’s not a fact that anyone can do at least as much, let alone more...
  77. +1
    April 22 2013 14: 29
    Quote: gregor6549
    Well, it’s to whom what is given. Some can write, others can only count. If only someone who learned to count to 11 could understand what is written in at least one of the lines....

    You see how wonderfully you can do it without any nonsense, mass murders and nuclear explosions! It’s clear about Khrushchev, Zhukov and others like them! About Stalin, the army and the Caribbean crisis, your opinion is also clear! In general, you have branded the history of the USSR! You don’t want to talk about Ivan the Terrible! Tell me, was there any light at all in Russian history? A? I promise not to count lines!
    1. 0
      April 22 2013 16: 44
      They've already found black stuff in my 11 lines. Talent, though. And of course there was more than one gap. Here you are, for example. True, until this gap turned into a “yellow-black” color. A trifle, of course, is not a clearing, but an eclipse, but what can you do, not attribute the decomposition of the red color of the USSR flag into all the colors of the rainbow, including yellow-black, to chernukha. So, a play of colors and rich imagination... about "independence" from Russia
  78. 0
    April 22 2013 19: 20
    Grigory, dear, aren’t you a fan of one “Nash leader”, even outwardly similar to Khrushchev? He was also bald, with a spot... So he, too, was such a smart man!!! As soon as he starts talking, then the whole country is scratching its head... What did he say? About what?
    From your previous posts it follows that everything in the USSR was bad! And they won the war (or maybe they didn’t?) because Zhukov drove the troops in herds to machine guns and, just in case, shot the families of the fighters and commanders, and then Khrushchev the tyrant, as you write, took it and, apparently out of boredom, created the Caribbean crisis ! But it was also caused by this crisis that it was barely possible to put the brakes on it! I just don’t understand, who lowered it?!
    In general, you beautifully and clearly explained to us orphans and wretches that any dirty trick can be expected from us! I felt so sick! And I asked you with hope, maybe there was something good in our history? Can we also be proud of something? And you tell me -
    Quote: gregor6549
    And of course there was more than one gap. Here you are, for example. True, until this gap turned into a “yellow-black” color. A trifle, of course, and not a clearing, but an eclipse

    Either stand, even fall... In general, I didn’t understand your lofty thought! Apparently this is not what they taught in Soviet institutes and Russian academies! About zhovto-blakitny this is not for me. I am a citizen of Russia, Russian! Therefore, forgive me for the intrusiveness, I’ll repeat my question - so what do we, Soviet, Russian, Russian people have to be proud of? From your point of view, did we have worthy leaders and rulers?
    1. 0
      April 23 2013 16: 11
      Igor,
      I have never been a fan of kings, general secretaries, presidents, marshals and other high-ranking idols, who from time to time were raised to a pedestal by the jubilant people, and then overthrown from their pedestals and trampled into the dirt. It has been going on since time immemorial, continues today and seems to have turned into a beloved and never-ending folk game. But every nation has its own games and no matter what the people amuse themselves, as long as they do not organize a revolution and overthrow their “favorite” rulers.

      Do the peoples of the former USSR have anything to be proud of? Of course have. First of all, by the fact that they managed to withstand and survive, despite the “fatherly care” of their numerous leaders for them, to whom all these people have always been in one place. These same leaders initiated the endless rewriting and falsification of the history of their own people, and now the initiators and copyists themselves cannot figure out where the truth is and where the lies are.

      Maybe he can also be proud of the fact that he could create in cold, hunger, from second-rate materials and components what other peoples could not create even in much more comfortable conditions.

      And in general, I would very carefully separate worthy people from their not entirely worthy or completely unworthy rulers. I have seen and see worthy people, but alas, worthy rulers. Of course there were smart, strong and cruel rulers. The same Peter 1, Stalin. There was and is tension with the worthy ones. This is my personal opinion and I do not impose it on anyone. I will die with this opinion.

      Well, if you like to adore one of the past or current rulers who have constantly led and are leading a truly great people “forward into the past,” then this is your personal business. Tastes could not be discussed. Moreover, with the change of leaders, these tastes change for many. Flexibility of taste and spine has always been in demand. Especially those rulers/leaders we are talking about
  79. 0
    April 23 2013 19: 48
    Thank you, I almost guessed your answer and even the identity of one of the rulers you cited. Respect to you for answering (I doubted it a little), to me for guessing one ruler, because you cited only two of them as an example! In general, the game is as you say!
    Everything is very clear - the Soviet people and the Russians in particular, in your opinion, can be proud of their unimaginable survival rate with only tyrants and tyrants in power. I forgot, we can also create something out of nothing under inhuman conditions! Well, thank you Gregory and that’s it.
    To be honest, I expected something more. Everything is so banal and as old as the world - Western values, true human ones... Well, you won’t argue, if everything is so bad here, then somewhere there must be good? Well, at least you can compare! Well, not in Africa? It's clear where!
    So let’s each go our own way, remembering the incredible vitality of the Russian people and one more thing: Russia cannot be understood with the mind, it cannot be measured with a common yardstick! She has a special personality and it’s better not to touch her at all! From an appeal to Western fighters for “true values”!
  80. 0
    April 24 2013 07: 33
    Igor, again you have confused me with someone. And what does this have to do with hints of “true values”? I have lived in the world enough and I know the value of all these values, both Russian and foreign origin, quite well. Or here we have Schellenberg’s famous phrase that someone smoking American cigarettes means that this smoker has sold himself to the enemy. I, thank God, was born and lived most of my life in the USSR, or more precisely in the now “independent” Belarus. I am Belarusian, but we have Polish, Russian, Ukrainian and Lithuanian blood in our family. What to do if Belarusians were from time to time crushed by one or the other. I believe that in Russia the concept of “purebred Russian” is very conditional, bearing in mind that Russia has also been trampled by everyone (Varangians, Tatars, Mongols, Germans, French, and other various Swedes). And each of them left a memory of themselves not only in the memories of the Russian people but also in their genes. And even now Russia is far from homogeneous. There are also Crimean Tatars in it, who destroyed Soviet soldiers with particular cruelty during the occupation of Crimea by the Nazis, and are now very offended that they were evicted to remote places after the war. There are also Chechens in it, “famous” for similar “exploits” during Patriotic and all subsequent wars which are still not over and are unlikely to end in the foreseeable future. And among the Russians and Belarusians there were many traitors, policemen, punitive forces, etc. And Khrushchev, with his “broad” soul, forgave all of them and others like them at once and ordered them to forget that there were some “unpleasant moments” in the history of the USSR and Russia. Those. It’s really difficult to understand Russia and its rulers, but it’s possible if you want. There would be a desire to understand and not shout “hurray” at the gadfly and for no reason. But it is just as difficult to understand, although it is also possible, other countries and their rulers, who, alas, do not differ in any significant way from the rulers of Russia. All of them always had one task - to break through to the top, and having broken through, squeeze out of their subjects everything that is possible and even impossible. Naturally, everyone had and still has different methods for achieving these goals, but this does not change the essence. Accordingly, my attitude towards all these rulers who think one thing, say another, and do something else, and “do it” on the heads of their subjects, first of all, convincing the subjects that this is an amber, and if you’re lucky, then on the heads of the subjects of other countries. So all your maxims addressed to me about “true values”, my misunderstanding of Russia, etc. fly by. Aim for the wrong person, Igor.