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"Heavenly Riders": the winged eyes of Israeli combatants

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On the battlefield, soldiers and commanders have to confront not only the enemy, but also the unknown - the so-called "fog of war." This term was introduced by the great military theorist Carl von Clausewitz to emphasize: war is an area of ​​inauthentic, and the belligerent always encounters not what he expected.


To disperse the fog, to provide the IDF with the fullest possible information about what is happening, to help the commanders to make the right decision is called for by the unit "Heavenly Riders" ("Rohev Shamaim"). Mini-UAVs that are on its armament, transmit combatants accurate information about what awaits his fighters on the battlefield.

About how this is happening, NEWSru.co.il told 33-year-old graduate of the "Technion" Major Dudu Gabay. After receiving a degree in programming, he was called to the IDF and began service in the technological management of the ground forces. Our interviewee is responsible for development related to small UAVs, and oversees the project "Heavenly Riders."

How did this unit come about?

The start of the "heavenly horsemen" project was laid in 2003-2004. We decided to see what would happen if we installed a small camera on a small drone. As a result of these checks, we came to the conclusion that such a development would significantly expand the capabilities of combat units. They will be able to get a much more complete picture of what is happening on the battlefield. As our work progressed, the army command came to the same conclusion. Then it was decided to create a special unit within the ground forces.

It was created by 10.10.2010. Such a "ten cubed" was chosen intentionally?

I do not think that someone did it on purpose. Just a coincidence.

What equipment do you use?

Our system consists of two parts - flight and ground. The flight part is an aircraft whose mass is about seven kilograms. It is very easy to assemble and disassemble. It resembles a children's designer - all the components of our fighters are on their backs. The calculation accompanies the battalion on the battlefield, and when the battalion commander decides to use the UAV, it is assembled in just ten minutes.

The aircraft consists of only ten parts - wings, tail stabilizer, engine, etc. Then the operator launches it into the sky with a catapult, the "leg" which is strengthened in the ground. The decision to start the engine is made by the second operator, who controls the aircraft in flight.

The operator in charge of the ground part has a computer, and he controls the flight using special software. It is very easy to do this - the operator does not control the aircraft as a bench model, but determines the point on the map over which it should be. The rest of the UAV does automatically. This allows the operator to focus on the job, without being distracted by the control of the aircraft.

In this area all the time there are new developments. What innovations await the IDF?

We are completing work on a new modification of the "heavenly horseman", the so-called tenth model. This is a new generation UAV. Outwardly, it differs little from what is in service now, but it carries fundamentally new electronic equipment.

We improved communication - it became possible to get better data, added a thermal imaging camera that expands our capabilities in the dark, improved aerodynamics - it became easier for the aircraft to operate in windy weather, installed a new on-board computer. Somewhere in June, the new system will enter into service with the IDF.

How much does your development affect what happens on the battlefield?

The battalion commander in real time can get information about what his fighters are waiting for and prepare for this in advance. The one who finds out first acts first and achieves success. So this information is very important. When the commander receives accurate and high-quality data about what awaits him in two or three kilometers, it gives him the opportunity to manage the battle much more effectively, choosing the path of attack and avoiding unnecessary losses. We were able to detect tunnels, resist rocket launches and the use of anti-tank weapons.

You helped to avoid casualties among military personnel. Have you ever lost a UAV?

We realize that the reliability of our system is not the highest, and we know that the aircraft may fall to the ground or be lost. But no operational damage is not caused. From a technological point of view, the fall of the UAV does not threaten.

That is, the losses were, but you should not overestimate their value?

Exactly. All data is encoded, and any information from the fallen UAV is impossible to obtain.

How do you feel in the field units? Two soldiers come with a suitcase and begin to "launch airplanes."

The divisions with which we work recognize the benefits we bring, the valuable information we provide. Our devices are increasingly in demand, almost all field battalions want to get their "heavenly rider". So demand exceeds supply.

How similar are these developments for the IDF?

In this area, Israel is one of the world leaders in terms of both the number of UAVs in service and quality indicators. In other armies, similar developments are underway, but they are not as extensive. The IDF went on to create a special unit, directly within the ground forces, and from a conceptual point of view it is a revolution.

Have you ever talked to colleagues from other armies?

We interact with other armies, meet at conferences. They are very interested in Israeli developments, how our division operates. This is the most advanced direction, and Israel occupies a leading position here.

Israel’s opponents also pay significant attention to unmanned aerial vehicles. Do the Israelis have cause for concern?

I would not like to touch this question. He goes beyond my job duties.

Why does this unit belong to artillery, and not to the air force?

The doctrine of the "heavenly horsemen" requires that they be as accessible as possible to maneuvering units. For this, it is necessary for the unit to be an organic part of the ground forces. Various options were considered for whom to subordinate them, but the choice was made in favor of artillery.

The unit symbol is Pegasus. Why?

It is called "Heavenly Riders." The winged horse is the best symbol, because it is a ground unit that has wings. According to the concept, our plane is a winged camera rather than a plane with eyes.

And how was such a poetic name chosen - "Heavenly Riders"?

It is found in Scripture. In Deuteronomy there is a blessing to Asher's tribe, where the "heavenly horseman" is mentioned, and such a combination of heaven and earth seemed appropriate.

(Note that the Russian translations of Deuteronomy do not preserve this expression. They speak of "sitting in heaven" and "the one who saddled the heavens").

"Heavenly Riders": the winged eyes of Israeli combatants






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  1. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 10 2013 13: 12 New
    19
    A circle of Jewish model glider pilots at competitions ... Why can't I see a team from Russia !? laughing
    1. Plowing
      Plowing April 10 2013 13: 16 New
      -6
      Because there are no Russian UAVs in nature, but there are only piece crafts.
      1. Vtel
        Vtel April 10 2013 13: 34 New
        +7
        Well, the pipes were and are ours. Of course, they have not yet reached the desired steepness, but wait and see. If it weren’t for the Taburetkins + The Fifth Column + Russian Happiness - it’s alright + Dubocrats = We would have had UAVs steeper than kosher ones for a long time. So here it is!
        1. Plowing
          Plowing April 10 2013 13: 35 New
          -6
          Well, it’s not just that they took Israeli products from the bulldozer. So something did not like.
          1. Joker
            Joker April 10 2013 16: 05 New
            +6
            Well, not just the same from the noodle took the Israeli production.

            I want to disappoint you, I bought Israeli UAVs Taburetkin, now they have refused to buy them, because it turned out that they could not stand our frosts (although the winter was not cold) No one will buy them anymore. Now Sukhoi and MiG (in my opinion) are developing their own drone drone, and such gliders as in the video we have in bulk, just until the hands reached them, at the last exhibition they showed different 10 pieces, and helicopters and airplanes, everything was there, just our skeptical attitude towards them. And maybe there are some peculiar requirements, but the fact remains that we have drones, but we don’t buy them yet, our equipment is our priority. After 2015, let's start purchasing equipment and everything else (at least it was said so)
            1. Sirocco
              Sirocco April 10 2013 16: 15 New
              +1
              Quote: Joker
              because it turned out that they could not stand our frosts (although the winter was not cold)

              The thing is that they are collected in heat-loving Azerbaijan.
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay April 10 2013 16: 31 New
                +3
                Quote: Sirocco
                The thing is that they are collected in heat-loving Azerbaijan.

                the thing is that they were going to collect in Russia where they like both warm and cold!
                and in Azerbaijan they are collected for themselves !!
              2. Pimply
                Pimply April 10 2013 17: 15 New
                +1
                And again, stupidity. Azerbaijan has its own, Russia has its own.

                http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/27496/
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 10 2013 16: 29 New
              +1
              Quote: Joker
              but the fact remains, we have drones

              there are, but they are much inferior to Amer and Israeli!
            3. Professor
              Professor April 10 2013 16: 34 New
              +1
              because it turned out that they could not stand our frosts

              Bullshit Israeli UAV Searcher was tested by Russian frosts
              1. Pimply
                Pimply April 10 2013 17: 17 New
                +2
                People do not know that with an increase in altitude, a decrease in temperature
            4. Pimply
              Pimply April 10 2013 17: 14 New
              +2
              I ask the proof of refusal of the purchase.

              Here, for example, their assembly in the E-burg.
          2. Murat 09
            Murat 09 April 10 2013 19: 38 New
            +1
            The reason why they took Israeli UAVs is called a saw cut, cut and rollback laughing
            1. atalef
              atalef April 11 2013 13: 39 New
              +2
              Quote: Murat 09
              The reason why they took Israeli UAVs is called a saw cut, cut and rollback

              Maybe the reason is different? Or the same rollback here?
              The Israeli defense concern "Aviation Industry" (TAA) is the main contender for the supply of equipment for five new-generation spy satellites ordered by the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.

              According to the newspaper Izvestia, the Italian concern Thales Alenia Space and the European multinational company EADS can compete with TAA.

              The main contractor of the defense ministry will be the Lavochkin NGO, which won a state tender of almost 70 billion rubles (approximately 2,3 billion US dollars). The satellites themselves will be built in Russia, however, the "filling" for them will be purchased abroad.
      2. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith April 10 2013 13: 51 New
        +8
        Okay, you tell me here. In Soviet times, there were many aviation modeling clubs. And now there is a UAV in service:

        ZALA 421-08 An Ultra-Small Scout and Artillery Spotter.

        Watch-85 Reconnaissance UAV

        Irkut-200 Reconnaissance UAV

        Outpost Tactical Reconnaissance UAV

        Bee-1T Reconnaissance UAV

        Fescue Reconnaissance BL
        1. Plowing
          Plowing April 10 2013 13: 53 New
          -1
          But they are produced piece by piece practically.
        2. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 14: 15 New
          +2
          An outpost is an Israeli Sercher, according to Fitchak, Bee, Hall. The reviews are below average - the equipment is so-so, and the time spent in the air is extremely short. Irkut did not go into the series. The Watch flies - but in extremely small quantities and is still on the fine-tuning.
      3. sergius60
        sergius60 April 10 2013 20: 53 New
        +5
        Dear Groin, healthy skepticism is good. But to engage in "self-imposition" - somehow, you understand, is excessive, or something. repeat We are developing a device of this class, I would say, a hell of a lot. But the brains of our generals are imprisoned for Kalash standards. And this is not a condemnation. BATTLE WEAPONS should be indestructible, trouble-free, simple, understandable for use by the contingent, as if softer - not burdened with an excess of information. Compare. Zion's “papelats” GOING FOR 10 minutes, the aerodynamic design is ridiculously similar to what I still collected in the club of “young technicians”. And there are cameras, by the way, only OBSERVATIONS.
        Now growing up. the landing gear is run by RANTsevy (he took it out, laid it out, pulled it from a manual catapult for just a few minutes), the "fly" of the circuit is a flying wing (any aerodynamicist will say this is an ideal in terms of weight return, plugs only with working out of course stability). With the transfer of information indicating the READY FIRST PARAMETERS of firing for artillery and BMP-4 (if you know, there are "weaving" - a mortar howitzer).
        And now explain to me, stupid, what the hell should I drool at the sight of the Jewish "heavenly mare"? Even if the guy says that they are ahead of the rest. Well, let him speak. Why upset. Life in the Sinai is so nervous. A man studied, tried, striving for something. And then he got such a "bummer". Cruel request
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 21: 28 New
          +1
          For the sake of interest - what kind of Zion pepelats are you talking about? Three were purchased.

          What kind of knapsack Russian are you talking about? About Pear?


          [media=http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4406/elberet545.61/0_63089_3994d5da_XL.jpg
          ]

          With such a cute little camera?

          [media=http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/5111/elberet545.61/0_63084_e208694d_XL.jpg
          ]

          And while in the airborne forces, it is she who is running in.

          Or about the Seeker, who has been in the air for half an hour, 40 minutes, and who is still waiting for refinement?
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 10 2013 14: 04 New
      +3
      Quote: pa_nik
      A circle of Jewish model glider contests ...

      More like a timer. laughing
      But, as they say, with a black sheep at least a tuft of wool. The value is that almost any soldier can transfer, assemble and launch. The main thing that the instruction was.
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 10 2013 20: 59 New
      +3
      Quote: pa_nik
      A circle of Jewish model glider pilots at competitions ... Why can't I see a team from Russia !?

      A good thing. The Ministry of Emergencies buys about such things as a mini and a large Irkut. That's about the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation is not in the know. Post in the article New development of AIR Group in. True, they are launched both manually and from a tripod. Depending on the modification of the UAV
      link



      The army chooses the best

  2. Plowing
    Plowing April 10 2013 13: 15 New
    -4
    By the way, I will tell you insider information. Belarusian super-nano-UAVs are made in the most ordinary aircraft modeling circle, in the very same where schoolchildren are sawing all kinds of gliders with jigsaws. I saw with my own eyes - the bazaar. True optics are already installed at the enterprise.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 10 2013 13: 18 New
      +6
      So what? The result is important.
      1. Plowing
        Plowing April 10 2013 13: 21 New
        +2
        Naturally. In a circle it is best - with soul and love.
    2. JonnyT
      JonnyT April 10 2013 13: 42 New
      +3
      Well, yes, where are we going to America, where the cost of one bolt for military drones is like the cost of a whole drone of Belarus.
      1. Sirocco
        Sirocco April 10 2013 14: 26 New
        +4
        In the United States introduce UAVs for combat in the city. This UAV is a model of a helicopter sold in the aircraft model store. So that’s the most important thing. The cost of this miracle from the Pentagon is about 300 greens. In the store, this miracle can be purchased for 000 bucks. Did everyone feel the difference? So they shouted that it was impossible to bring him down from small arms. I propose to shoot down these devices with a shotgun. Cheap and cheerful. laughing
        1. Atrix
          Atrix April 10 2013 14: 30 New
          +1
          The store also sells with such electronic filling and a link to the studio about what it sells in the store for 300 bucks, and the Pentagon buys for 300
          1. Sirocco
            Sirocco April 10 2013 16: 22 New
            0
            http://www.elway.ru/goods/rc_toys/helicopters/radioupravlyaemye_vertolety_fpv_hu
            bsan / radioupravlyaemyj_vertolet_s_videokameroj_5_mp_fpv_invader / In the United States introduce UAVs for combat in the city. the purpose of this unit is reconnaissance, not the destruction of the enemy hi
        2. Plowing
          Plowing April 10 2013 14: 32 New
          -1
          Sure sure. And the composites there, and NURSy, and the most accurate optics. Proof?
        3. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 14: 38 New
          +4
          You still can’t say that UAVs are not an aircraft model.
    3. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 10 2013 14: 20 New
      +2
      I will surprise you, I hope it's nice laughing In Israel, these circles from the former USSR are engaged in the production of UAVs. And the question for you, do you think, can you call the former citizens of the USSR Jews?
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 10 2013 14: 39 New
        +3
        Yes? Funny, but you might be surprised - they are not there. Israeli UAVs went from the American ones; there are very few immigrants from the former USSR in Taasia aviation aviation as developer posts.
        1. Plowing
          Plowing April 10 2013 14: 52 New
          -1
          I’ll double this, but I wouldn’t say that the legs of Israeli UAVs are growing from the USA. The same ancient Pioneer is a joint development, which the Americans are interested in.
          1. Pimply
            Pimply April 10 2013 15: 13 New
            0
            It is from the States. The first deliveries came in the 70s. Then the interest went.
            1. Plowing
              Plowing April 10 2013 15: 37 New
              0
              What? I do not agree, initially they took a dozen of the simplest UAVs purely for testing, but then the Israelis themselves began to rivet them, almost in the barn, "Mastiv" seems to have rolled out in the same 70s, or whatever it was.
              1. Pimply
                Pimply April 10 2013 17: 25 New
                0
                Mastiff Tadiranovsky appeared after UAVs from America appeared in the IDF and experience in their combat use was gained. Teledyne Ryan Fire bee Model 124, aka Mabat. Although, in principle, the Israelis did some development of the year from the 69th, the first serious Israeli swallow entered service only in 1978.
                So the roots are still in the Americans.
    4. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 10 2013 15: 31 New
      +2
      Quote: Groin
      By the way, I will tell you insider information. Belarusian super-nano-UAVs are made in the most ordinary aircraft modeling circle, in the very same where schoolchildren are sawing all sorts of gliders with jigsaws. With my own eyes I saw - the bazaar


      You are clearly misinformed !!))))))
      Beautifully lit))
      1. Plowing
        Plowing April 10 2013 15: 33 New
        -1
        No, they didn’t.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 10 2013 15: 45 New
          +3
          Quote: Groin
          No, they didn’t.


          I understand that you are offended, but better the bitter truth !!

          Therefore, never mind !!
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic April 10 2013 21: 04 New
            +5
            Quote: Yarbay
            Therefore, never mind !!

            Take a meter lower with a 180 degree turn. and leaning slightly smile I ask you not to attribute it to anyone's account, just Alibek aphorism recalled hi
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 10 2013 21: 14 New
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              Take a meter lower with a 180 degree turn. and bending slightly, I ask you not to attribute it to anyone, just Alibek aphorism recalled

              I’m ready to accept anything from you !!)))
              I respect you and it is always interesting for me to read you !!
              I liked the aphorism, took it into service!)))))
  3. svp67
    svp67 April 10 2013 13: 18 New
    +1
    Quote: pa_nik
    A circle of Jewish model glider pilots at competitions ... Why can't I see a team from Russia !? laughing



    Ours have been "harnessed for a long time", that's how you want them to "go" quickly and most importantly under the leadership of Shoigu. These "models", with skillful use, can save so many lives ...
  4. sibircat
    sibircat April 10 2013 13: 18 New
    +1
    The most interesting thing is that all these high-tech weapons will turn into a pile of scrap metal after an electromagnetic pulse. It is effective in local conflicts, provided the adversary has no interference with the directors.
    1. Plowing
      Plowing April 10 2013 13: 24 New
      0
      Unlikely. Why, then, did the Mig-29 call 888, if they could crush it?
    2. Pimply
      Pimply April 10 2013 13: 34 New
      +3
      Tell us how you imagine it in practice.
      1. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 10 2013 14: 03 New
        +9
        Do not wait for an answer, the "electromagnetic impulse" has become a panacea for all sorts of electronic lotions for hat-takers. Of course, they have no idea how this impulse is formed and what is the radius of action, not to mention the necessary power ... You can frighten such people with a "Faraday cage", for a long time it will drive into a stupor wink
        1. Atrix
          Atrix April 10 2013 14: 24 New
          +3
          Quote: Nayhas
          You can scare such people with the "Faraday cage", for a long time they will drive into a stupor

          This is five points. laughing
          1. sibircat
            sibircat April 10 2013 15: 15 New
            +1
            Read at your leisure (if you find) the document:
            Super EMP resistance test methods
            RD 319.03.23 - 96.
            For obvious reasons, I can’t publish.
            1. sergius60
              sergius60 April 11 2013 07: 58 New
              0
              Dear "Siberian Cat", what can you do, people are pleased to "pale-faced" in the mouth and under the tail to look! They simply do not understand or cannot understand that the conversation is about fundamentally different ENGINEERING SCHOOLS. When I first found out, and it was the devil knows when a long time ago, about the principle of the Soviet inertial ballistic missile guidance system, I was shocked by the simplicity of the solution! And just the "block-breaking" reliability. And the main incentive. lol Colleagues with their jokes are "embarrassed" if you decorate something "tricked out". One acquaintance joked: “They always want a bullet from shit.” Comrade JonnyT previously correctly noted the comparative cost of their bolt with our device. He did not even imagine how accurately he expressed the idea of ​​the difference in PRINCIPAL approaches in design. Just means reliable! good Different ways of thinking formed over the centuries of evolution of civilization. Fundamentally different CONDITIONS of formation!
        2. Professor
          Professor April 10 2013 15: 12 New
          +9
          In vain we ran into a comrade, in our army in the warehouse it was possible to get an electromagnetic pulse. Was in plastic packaging and in tin. Old-timers said they came across in wooden ones. I remember pouring a gram so 200 electromagnetic impulses into a head, you will drop 50 meters and everything, all UAVs immediately die out in a radius of 500-800 meters. fellow
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 10 2013 15: 35 New
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            In vain we ran into a comrade, in our army in the warehouse it was possible to get an electromagnetic pulse. Was in plastic packaging and in tin. Old-timers said they came across in wooden ones. I remember pouring a gram so 200 electromagnetic impulses into a head, you will drop 50 meters and everything, all UAVs immediately die out in a radius of 500-800 meters.

            Professor and there is a guarantee that does not hurt their own?)))))))))
            You never know the galoshe to return and a soldier will fly over the company))))))))))))))
            1. Professor
              Professor April 10 2013 16: 37 New
              +2
              Professor and there is a guarantee that does not hurt their own?)))))))))

              Here the most important thing is to put on the headphones so that the eardrum is not magnetized, otherwise it starts to fonit so that you won’t get rid of diarrhea.
          2. Nayhas
            Nayhas April 10 2013 16: 16 New
            +1
            I’m really “under the table” .... thanks ... at the end of the day I’ve been so amused ... thanks! wink
      2. Suhov
        Suhov April 10 2013 20: 49 New
        +1
        Quote: Pimply
        Tell us how you imagine it in practice.

        A device containing a mobile source of electrical energy and something similar to a laser source ...
        If I had taken up this problem, I would definitely study the influence of the geometry of the rod, the material of the ends, the material of the medium, etc. on the power and frequency of the outgoing radiation ...
        There is nothing fundamentally insoluble - no.
        The main limitation is the power of a mobile energy source, on which the exposure range depends.
        I think such devices should be ...
        hi
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 21: 29 New
          0
          Yeah, and now from fairy tales to reality. What is there in reality?
          1. Suhov
            Suhov April 10 2013 22: 14 New
            +1
            Information about the effectiveness of the use of such bombs is contradictory. The media has reports of the use of US electromagnetic radiation during the war in Yugoslavia. It is known that during the war in Iraq, the Americans dropped such a bomb on the Iraqi Ministry of Information, and silenced it for 10 hours, after which the technicians restored the equipment.
          2. sergius60
            sergius60 April 11 2013 08: 18 New
            +1
            Right now. Godkov ten years ago saw a "source of electricity" the size of a fire extinguisher. Pinned, ugh, conducted research on the operation of the welding machine in the country all day. This is nothing. Head art. schools for hunting and fishing with homies went on the "Carnation". Very convenient. "Shmaluli" on the lake, swam up, the device is amphibious, collected the catch-catch. And then - go gai-gai ... This is just an example of a tradition of solving problems. lol
  5. sibircat
    sibircat April 10 2013 13: 22 New
    0
    Belarusian super-nano-UAVs are made in the most ordinary aircraft modeling circle, in the very same where schoolchildren are sawing all sorts of gliders with jigsaws.
    Not on Makayenko street by chance?
    1. Plowing
      Plowing April 10 2013 13: 29 New
      +1
      No, on Mayakovsky.
  6. Burbulator
    Burbulator April 10 2013 13: 37 New
    -1
    From the video:
    I was always interested in the question: what kind of hoodies (?) On the protective helmets of Israeli soldiers?
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 10 2013 14: 11 New
      +4
      It is called mitsnefet. It performs the functions of breaking the contour - a person with it is less noticeable. It is sewn independently by fighters of units, quickly removable - when it is necessary to switch to the variant with the usual helmet outline for better identification.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 10 2013 15: 36 New
        +2
        Quote: Pimply
        . It performs the functions of breaking the contour - a person with it is less noticeable.

        who is less noticeable ???
        Well, probably at a very long distance ???
        1. Professor
          Professor April 10 2013 16: 40 New
          +4
          No matter what, the helmet has a hemisphere that is not natural for a natural background, and the cap takes on an arbitrary shape and does not attract the eye with its artificial silhouette.
    2. Rumata
      Rumata April 11 2013 12: 08 New
      0
      Quote: Burbulator
      From the video:
      I was always interested in the question: what kind of hoodies (?) On the protective helmets of Israeli soldiers?

      Here is an example. In poor optics, or even without it, the rounded shape of the helmet attracts attention. This, like the brain reaction, is not a sharp movement, not even the periphery of the angle of view, - an echo of our herbivorous ancestors =))
  7. tomket
    tomket April 10 2013 14: 02 New
    0
    and what is the range of these UAVs?
    1. Plowing
      Plowing April 10 2013 14: 06 New
      -4
      Why aren’t you trained in Google?
  8. Manager
    Manager April 10 2013 14: 06 New
    +1
    Is it really only the Americans that can do normal UAVs, including shock UAVs?
    1. Atrix
      Atrix April 10 2013 14: 27 New
      0
      Quote: Manager
      Is it really only the Americans that can do normal UAVs, including shock UAVs?

      In terms of the airframe, I don’t think it’s too hard to do, but I think that Russia has no such developments and production capacities for production of all the internal electric stuffing.
      1. sergius60
        sergius60 April 11 2013 08: 31 New
        0
        "Good morning"! One such "pessimist", probably for a week, supported the jaw with his hand, after visiting a generally ordinary ROOM "factory". If there are no addresses in Langley and Khakiriya, somehow I will refrain from prompts ...
  9. pa_nik
    pa_nik April 10 2013 14: 17 New
    +1
    Shozh you, comrades, all passwords-appearances of the Belarusian military-industrial complex have surrendered !? wassat
  10. Sirocco
    Sirocco April 10 2013 14: 18 New
    +4
    Smiled here is what info. Exactly. All data is encoded, and any information from the fallen UAV is impossible to obtain. I would say this, Never talk never, Here in Iran they put an American UAV, which cannot be intercepted.
    1. Pimply
      Pimply April 10 2013 14: 40 New
      0
      Nobody planted him. The footage that Iran later showed was footage from the old demo of this bird.
      1. Professor
        Professor April 10 2013 15: 15 New
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        The footage that Iran later showed was footage from the old demo of this bird.

        And from Kandahar. good

        Why did not a single Georgian drone land on 8.08.08?
        1. Plowing
          Plowing April 10 2013 15: 20 New
          -1
          Obviously, to let the MiG-29 bring down at least someone in 30 years laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor April 10 2013 15: 24 New
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            That was the case in Abkhazia for a very long time, and I'm talking about the complaints of General Shamanov:
            In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with this. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp for hours with impunity for hours because military air defense systems “didn’t take them”: ZU-23 anti-aircraft missiles didn’t penetrate, and MANPADS did not fly due to insufficient heat radiation from drones.
            Interlocutor: Vladimir Shamanov: “Sharpen the army structure for today's wars”
            1. Plowing
              Plowing April 10 2013 15: 32 New
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              How is it "long ago"? It was recently, in the 8th year.
              1. Professor
                Professor April 10 2013 16: 41 New
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                So the Persians are not too (if at all) overtaken the Russian army.
                1. Kaa
                  Kaa April 10 2013 17: 03 New
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                  Quote: Professor
                  Duc Persians not too (if at all) overtook the Russian army
                  And the nomads overtook Israel in general: "First, as the media wrote, the Iron Dome was not as iron as Rafael reported; supposedly a complex for detecting a missile, guiding and launching a missile defense 15 seconds are required instead of the declared one. At the same time, the majority of Israeli settlements subjected to mortar shelling are located very close to the border with the same Gaza Strip, so Palestinian missiles fired from this territory are capable of hitting targets faster than in 15 seconds. At the same time, the official authorities did not confirm the rumors, but did not refute them either. At the end of December last year The Haaretz newspaper wrote that there is some evidence that the Iron Dome is planned to be used to protect only military bases. .Thus, the Israeli newspaper concluded, taking into account the frequent cases of shelling of Israeli territory, the use of the Iron Dome would not be economically profitable, even if we take into account that the system is able to automatically calculate the flight path of an enemy missile and cancel its destruction if it should fall in an uninhabited area. According to the plans of the Ministry of Defense of Israel, to fully cover the northern and southern border regions of Israel, 20 batteries of the Iron Dome are needed, for the equipment of which 1200 anti-missile systems are needed. http://gunm.ru/news/izrail_pod_zheleznym_kupolom/2011-04-05-163
                  The Israeli military successfully tested in combat the missile defense system of the lower echelon "Iron Dome". April 7 - 9 she intercepted a total of eight hail and box office rockets out of 35 launched in Israel.
                  In other words, the system only intercepted 24 percent of missiles.
                  “It’s premature to draw conclusions on the effectiveness or inefficiency of this system,” said military expert Vladislav Shurygin. single missiles, but no one will guarantee how effective it will be in the event of a massive launch. As for the interception of missiles of the "hail" type, this is not something supernatural and back in Soviet times we had the corresponding successful experience. Whatever it was, Israel still does not have clear guarantees that it will be able to repel missile attacks by militants. So, during April 7-10, at least 350 mines of 81-120 mm caliber were released through Israel. However, there were no reports of the successful operation of the Iron Dome on mortar munitions. There are questions regarding the effectiveness of the Iron Dome against short-range missiles. Firstly, it is doubtful that it will succeed in the event of an Israeli settlement attack, since Palestinian militants in this case will strike from a short distance. And secondly, the question arises: will not further shelling ravage Israel? The fact is that the cost of one missile defense for the Iron Dome is about 40 thousand dollars, while the cost of short-range missiles available to Palestinian and Lebanese fighters is 200-1000 dollars per unit. http://vpk.name/news/51648_sistema_pro_zheleznyii_kupol_razorit_izrail.html
                  1. Sirocco
                    Sirocco April 11 2013 03: 22 New
                    +2
                    All this fuss around the dome resembles a bluff from the United States with the SDI program. I put the equal sign SOI = Iron Dome. The question is different, why all this bluff? No one to scare, reassure the population of Israel? A strange action, wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to negotiate peacefully with a shooting opposition? Or is this not part of the plans of the Israeli leadership? The intimidated ones are easier to manipulate, the image of the enemy is there, you can distract the people of Israel from the pressing problems.
                    1. Pimply
                      Pimply April 11 2013 12: 54 New
                      +1
                      My friend, didn’t you notice that the system, unlike the SDI, was worked out in practice?
            2. Sirocco
              Sirocco April 10 2013 16: 39 New
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              Is the Iron Dome of Israel so durable? Israel has successfully tested the Iron Dome missile defense system. During April 7-9, the low-echelon anti-missile defense system was able to intercept 8 of the 35 Kassam and Grad missile systems launched from the missile systems. The Israeli military announced the recognition of the results of combat testing as quite successful.

              Despite the fact that the system intercepted only 24% of the launched missiles, the developers announced its perfection. http://topwar.ru/4258-naskolko-effektiven-zheleznyy-kupol-iz Well, and to leaven. latest news http://topwar.ru/26531-plohie-novosti-o-zheleznom-kupole.html
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              1. Plowing
                Plowing April 10 2013 16: 42 New
                +1
                For starters, you would know that it only intercepts missiles that threaten protected objects, and does not knock down the remaining water pipes with sugar. And the system is excellent, and worked well, skipping only a few units.
              2. Pimply
                Pimply April 10 2013 17: 28 New
                +3
                Do not read Soviet newspapers at breakfast. (with)
                1. sergius60
                  sergius60 April 11 2013 08: 56 New
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                  Almost like the neutralization of SOI by launching 5 tons of shot into orbit on a counter-course. Formulas to calculate? What will make a 10 gram ball at 7.8 + 7.8 = 15.6 km / s.
                  And stop fooling with the Rusty Dome. Any SLA has a target saturation limit. Agreed at the place and time of the volley, and alles fertig. Another thing is that the "Semitic relatives" simply intend to wind up their nerves ... So now they are even more pleasant. What attention is paid to them and how beautiful it "sniffs" in the sky.
                  Everything in the world is relative. Rejoice in another. My mother-in-law will never come to you! Then perhaps you would choose a joint Iran-Korean-Pakistani nuclear strike. Relief. wassat
                  1. Professor
                    Professor April 11 2013 09: 27 New
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                    Almost like the neutralization of SOI by launching 5 tons of shot into orbit on a counter-course. Formulas to calculate? What a 10 gram ball will do at 7.8 + 7.8 = 15.6 km / s

                    In 1961 and 1963, Americans launched into the orbit of 3500-3800 km 480 million copper needles 1.78 cm long and 25.4μm and 17.8μm in diameter to create a screen effect (Project West Ford) to ensure stable radio communications. Space became unusable? wink
                    1. sergius60
                      sergius60 April 11 2013 11: 37 New
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                      Substantial clarification, dear. ORBIT PARAMETERS.
                      And most importantly, this is the mentality in the development of technical tasks and engineering decisions. "National symbol" - there is no admission against scrap. As Bismarck used to say that to any trick of the West, the Russians will answer with UNPREDICTABLE stupidity. It is politically correct it can be called - the NON-STANDARD decision.
  11. NAPOLEON
    NAPOLEON April 10 2013 14: 25 New
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    the photos look like they were made in a circle of young airmasterists soldier
  12. PACIFIST
    PACIFIST April 10 2013 15: 03 New
    +1
    We must also fly the UAV. I think they would save more than one soldier’s life in GROZNY if they knew where the militants were with their help. And the role is where and who makes them in factories and circles, the main thing is that there are the right amount. But Israel needs to learn how to value the lives of soldiers
  13. gregor6549
    gregor6549 April 10 2013 15: 54 New
    +2
    Guys, not only UAVs but also ACSs of the relevant units equipped with UAVs, up to the regimental level, were created in the Soviet Socialist Republic as early as the 80 and 90 years. All that is needed now is to get all this good from the sinker, brush off the dust, refine it a bit and you can compete not only with Israeli aircraft models but also with the US ones. And this is already being done.
    1. Plowing
      Plowing April 10 2013 15: 57 New
      -6
      Are you talking about those soviet rockets with optics? Thank you, I'll stand on foot.
      1. gregor6549
        gregor6549 April 10 2013 17: 29 New
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        I'm not talking about soviet rockets, but about Soviet UAVs. And those UAVs were developed according to all the rules for the development of military products, unlike many of the current "dragonflies" that are shown by various commercial organizations at all kinds of shows. Why do businessmen spend on all sorts of delights? And so they will buy it. In the meantime, they will figure out what they bought the businessman and the trace has caught a cold.
        Of course, the elemental base of on-board electronics and other UAV components (engines, materials, etc.) have since gone far forward, but the principles have remained the same. The fact that those UAVs, like many other Soviet developments, did not reach the addressee of the fault not of the developers, but of all sorts of "hunchback" politicians.
        1. Pimply
          Pimply April 10 2013 17: 31 New
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          Tell me, do you really think that the technique of 40-50 years ago is even relevant today?
      2. ded-mazai
        ded-mazai April 10 2013 17: 38 New
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        For scoops you minus
      3. ded-mazai
        ded-mazai April 10 2013 17: 41 New
        +1
        For scoops you minus
    2. Pimply
      Pimply April 10 2013 17: 29 New
      -1
      Folder, get the great-great-grandfathers musket from the attic, shake off the dust, let’s go with one bullet of all Merikos we will fill up! This is our musket, not the western M-16!
  14. Was mammoth
    Was mammoth April 10 2013 16: 07 New
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    Simple, effective, and in the troops.
  15. shurup
    shurup April 10 2013 16: 34 New
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    Again, not a word about EW. Only actions against wild Arabs that rush at people are supposed.
    From my experience in aircraft modeling, I know that the engine is a traditional bottleneck in Russian UAVs. Over the past 40 years, changes have been minimal. However, this applies not only to aircraft models.
    1. Professor
      Professor April 10 2013 16: 44 New
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      See above my comment from an interview with Shamanov. Did EW help? wink
    2. Pimply
      Pimply April 10 2013 17: 30 New
      0
      Tell us how you imagine it?
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 10 2013 21: 24 New
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      Quote: shurup
      Again, not a word about EW.


      In the main directions of a possible UAV flight, it is sufficient to place the M1 Shell and the electronic warfare suppression system. EW air defense systems of the type SPN-2, SPN-4, SPN-30 reliably counteract onboard UAV radars, making it impossible to give target designation on protected objects.
      The modernized jamming station SPN-30
      link



      "Rosehip-Aero" - anti-UAV equipment
      link



      "Rosehip Aero" - is the equipment to combat UAVs, stations of television and radio broadcasting, command points of communication, stations (modules) of cellular and other networks. The hardware provides both broadband and narrow-focus suppression of signals and frequencies, distortion of the transmitted information by the source. In the latter case, the struggle is not with the source, but with the receiver of information.
      It takes about 25 seconds to counter drones, from the moment of detection to suppression (signal interception). At known frequencies of operation of the control signal of the UAV, it takes no more than a second to counter. The main time is spent on processing, collecting and analyzing information on the detected UAV, the very suppression (interception) is performed instantly. Developers continue to work on reducing the time to counter the UAV and promise to significantly reduce it.
      Modern UAVs with a loss of control signal are provided with a program to return to the launch point. Dogro Aero prevents the program from being executed by setting a false navigation field with the replacement of dynamic coordinates. The UAV, guided by them, goes to a given hardware point. Time to create a navigation field.

      Initiative development of "Rosehip Aero" is not allowed to test the hardware to counter this UAV. At the moment, the hardware mainly opposed the UAV according to the submitted technical parameters of the Ministry of Defense. It is also known to conduct some tests at the Voronezh test site.
      1. Pimply
        Pimply April 10 2013 21: 48 New
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        And now the question is - where were they effectively applied?

        Rosehip-Aero is still only a promising development.
      2. sergius60
        sergius60 April 11 2013 09: 28 New
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        It of course and me "rushing" to share "info." But the thought, driven into the spinal cord, that 80-90% of the information is pumped from OPEN sources, somehow inhibits the "souls beautiful impulses." You need to be kinder to people. They believe that civilization is them. Yes, for God's sake, let them believe ...
        Just some kind of kindergarten. The argument in the dispute - on the "TV" showed, drop the link in "Google" ...
        Example. Media schnicks “squealed” during the “08.08.08” that the generals were FORCED to use cellular communications due to the shitty work of communications. And the fact that it was an army system of "..." closed cellular communications was somehow not told to them. bully Well, take the poor. Doubt even in the quality of analyzes.
  16. amp
    amp April 10 2013 21: 20 New
    +2
    So put me the minuses as much as you want, but in the Israeli army, unlike our people, they are cherished. Therefore, such things are there, but we don’t and never will. It is customary for us to fill up enemies with corpses, and then still be proud of it.
    1. Ascetic
      Ascetic April 10 2013 21: 49 New
      +5
      Quote: amp
      So put me the minuses as much as you want, and in the Israeli army, unlike our people, they protect. Therefore, such things are there, but we don’t and never will.

      The most vulnerable point of all UAVs is accurate positioning, that is, depending on the JP Es, GLONASS or Galileo to choose from. The UAV should know its geographical coordinates both for flying along a given route, and for returning to the base where it should bring intelligence information. Similarly, for point bombing, and for launching air-to-ground missiles, it is necessary to know with high accuracy the current coordinates of the UAV relative to the targets selected for destruction. The inertial navigation system and any others, except satellite systems, cannot provide the required accuracy for solving these problems. Therefore, it is additionally necessary to resort to using the satellite navigation system GPS
      What will happen if the on-board receiver of signals from GPS satellites or other similar systems is disabled by exposure to radio-electronic interference organized by the adversary? The answer is clear - the receiver will become useless, because will not be able to measure coordinates. Together with him, reconnaissance and strike UAVs will become useless.
      Back in 1997, at the Zhukovsky International Air Show, the Russian company Aviaconversion demonstrated the first radio-electronic jamming transmitter to GPS and GLONASS systems. This transmitter disrupted the receivers of these navigation systems. As a result, receivers lose the ability to measure the coordinates of the objects on which these receivers are installed. The jammer made a splash in the West. The first to evaluate the danger of new items for their military equipment was the Americans. The Pentagon bought several dozen of these “jammers” and tested them for all their weapons, whose operation was based on the GPS system. In particular, it turned out that high-precision weapons (Tomahawk cruise missiles, guided bombs with the JDAM system, etc.), which form the basis of the non-nuclear doctrine of the United States and other NATO countries, are no longer high-precision when they are exposed to organized radio electronic interference. The most important conclusion immediately follows from this: if any country wants to protect itself from high-precision weapons, then over the whole country and the whole theater of operations with the help of "jammers" it is necessary to organize a continuous electromagnetic interference field for GPS signal receivers. In this case, the correction of the flight of high-precision weapons using the GPS system will become impossible, and high-precision weapons will have huge misses relative to the goals that these weapons must destroy.
      link

      jammer to protect the territory of the country, the range of the transmitter is ~ 150 km.



      jammer to protect local warfare. Its radius of action is ~ 40 km, its mass is ~ 6 kg, i.e. It is more than the first transmitter suitable for installation on a UAV.

      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic April 10 2013 22: 09 New
        +5
        the highest accuracy for ANNs on ring laser geroscopes, namely they are used by the Tomahawk rocket, is 900m per hour of flight. The Block III program on Tomahawk has installed a GPS receiver integrated with the ANN (inertial navigation system) in the so-called “tightly coupled integration” mode, when GPS navigation information is used to correct ANN errors due to inaccuracy of calibration, and the information from the ANN serves to support the functioning of GPS tracking systems in speed and range in the conditions of radio countermeasures. GPS frequencies 1577 MHz (civilian channel) and 1230 MHz (military channel). Are valid for all spacecraft systems. At GLONASS, the military frequencies of each point (SC) are different, so by definition it is more difficult to muffle all GLONASS channels.
        Each GLONASS satellite transmits continuous navigation signals at its own carrier frequency in the subbands L1 and L2 (1 and 600 MHz). The Glonass system uses frequency separation of signals (FDMA) and in DZHPS code division of channels of CDMA
        1. Sirocco
          Sirocco April 11 2013 03: 49 New
          0
          They are trying to impose a model of behavior with these UAVs, IMPACT, RECOGNITION, and so on, rivet them, they say rivet, the time will come X, we will remove them from standing with the help of devices that create radio interference. And, as usual, ordinary planes enter the arena, with pilots. You can not succumb to such provocations with UAVs. The enemy is cunning and treacherous. UAVs are needed, and they are in Russia, but this is not a panacea for all ills, it’s like dietary supplements. laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor April 11 2013 09: 31 New
            +1
            the time will come X, we will bring them out of standing with the help of devices creating radio interference.

            Learn the materiel first, and only after that write your stupid things to the whole world.
            Vladimir Shamanov: "In the same Abkhazian direction, Georgian drones regularly flew over the positions of our troops, and in most cases we had to put up with it. These Israeli-made Hermes UAVs circled the paratrooper camp with impunity for hours, because the military air defense systems" didn’t take them " "ZU-23 anti-aircraft installations did not fire, and MANPADS missiles did not fly due to insufficient thermal radiation from drones."
          2. Pimply
            Pimply April 11 2013 12: 56 New
            +1
            Yeah. Definitely. That is why. The enemy specifically makes UAVs to deceive everyone. And so they are not needed. Ingenious! Well done!
      2. Vtel
        Vtel April 11 2013 09: 36 New
        0
        This is how we develop, speak cool and sell to the West, well, the “Fifth Column” damn is right.
    2. Sirocco
      Sirocco April 11 2013 03: 35 New
      0
      Quote: amp
      , and in the Israeli army, unlike our people are cherished.

      You are wrong, in the Israeli army they protect the Jews of the Orthodox, who do not serve and do not fight. They serve there, and here on the forum, citizens of the former USSR, who can hardly be called Jews. To put it mildly, these are the wise, who fled in search of a better life, with the slightest difficulty in their homeland. And when there they take for one place, or the life that they dreamed of does not work out, they come back with the same happy faces with which they left. I have a couple of such families, friends. Here (in Russia) I had a housekeeper, and there I became one. This is literally from the words of the returning family.
      1. atalef
        atalef April 11 2013 08: 00 New
        +4
        Quote: Sirocco
        You are wrong, in the Israeli army they protect the Jews of the Orthodox, who do not serve and do not fight.

        belay ?

        Quote: Sirocco
        citizens of the former USSR, who are hardly Jews.

        And who is not difficult to name?

        Quote: Sirocco
        . To put it mildly, these are the wise, who fled in search of a better life, with the slightest difficulty in their homeland.

        Do you think that Israel is smeared with honey, by the way, now you have everything O, K, (as the people write) and Russia has knelt down and stability, so why Jews do not return en masse in search of a better life?

        Quote: Sirocco

        . Here (in Russia) I had a housekeeper, and there I became one. This is literally from the words of the returning family.

        somehow it does not fit with your words fled to a better life, but the fact that you need to work in Israel. so it’s a fact, that’s what those who are accustomed to beating are running around. In general, everyone has the right to live wherever he wants.
        1. crambol
          crambol April 11 2013 08: 15 New
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          Well done, atalef! Plus to you!
        2. Vtel
          Vtel April 11 2013 09: 44 New
          -2
          They also flee because "NOT RUSSIA" - that is, the rootless. And Russia that nurtured them is not their homeland, and in Zion they are not Aryans. So poor fellows rush about as their "native" Berezovsky. They think - you can buy a homeland.
        3. Pimply
          Pimply April 11 2013 12: 58 New
          0
          Dude burns to the fullest
      2. Pimply
        Pimply April 11 2013 12: 57 New
        0
        Listen, can I still? I just collect nonsense in jars, I haven’t come across such a marvelous thing for a long time.
    3. sergius60
      sergius60 April 11 2013 10: 00 New
      0
      Oh really? Did Comrade Khrushchev tell you this? He said a lot of things. I even gave advice, read orders, to aircraft designer Antonov how to reduce noise in the An-10 cabin. Find out for yourself. Will deliver.
      Take an interest in the ratio of losses. How many artillery divisions were "supermen", and how many in the Red Army. What methods were used to calculate the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe. I guarantee it will surprise a lot. This is of course if you are interested to know. I have been interested in the initial period of the War for 30 years. Once there was an “event”, and there was a candidate of historical sciences who defended himself in the initial period of the war, the genesis of German fascism. The men then said that I mixed it with shit. Note, without rudeness, not that contingent. I would not be understood. Then I even felt sorry for him. And he, honestly, is not to blame for anything. BALLA clear setting of the PARTY. Stalin, this ......... The amount of crap on the head of the Generalissimo is not limited, but even welcomed. And do you now believe in the “freedom of expression” of all these “memoirists”? The 5th KGB Directorate would instantly help correct the "involuntary errors" in the presentation of the material. Rokossovsky, Tymoshenko simply did not write on the topic. Well, no, and no trial. So there is nothing to “fix”.
      Frankly, I did not climb onto the podium with my “discoveries”. Not suicidal, sir. So, in a narrow circle of their own, on the basis of reciprocity.
  17. crambol
    crambol April 11 2013 08: 07 New
    +1
    [Quote]... we will remove them from standing with the help of devices that create radio interference. [ / Quote]


    Dear, you are not in the know! At our last exercises there was an attempt to disable the GPS receiving system installed on the Boeing (ours, of course), which imitates the intruder of our space. The attempt failed. The GPS system was well protected.
    1. sergius60
      sergius60 April 11 2013 12: 03 New
      +1
      Naturally. You guys have "everything in a bunch." Just do not touch anything, do not change. And the fact that ......... Tyndyut forum users on sites all sorts of nonsense. Pipyrki measured. And what would you, minke whales were pleased, we generally say that we are "stupid always drunk russisch schwein."
      An acquaintance, a beer, said a couple of years ago that "Stalingrad" passed. Now, it seems, we are going through the Kursk arc. And there ... Well, of course, "the world domination of the resurrected Rus-Horde." fellow Maybe it’s not for nothing that the old fool remains the nerves "burned up" ...
  18. Rumata
    Rumata April 11 2013 12: 19 New
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    Professor, do you know if these UAVs have target illumination devices? Will it be able to highlight, for example, Maglan, located 5-6 km from the target?
    1. Professor
      Professor April 11 2013 13: 37 New
      +2
      There is no laser backlight, but this is not necessary for Maglan. He (his operator) needs to transfer the coordinates of the target and micro UAVs cope with this successfully.
  19. Rumata
    Rumata April 11 2013 12: 19 New
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    Professor, do you know if these UAVs have target illumination devices? Will it be able to highlight, for example, Maglan-u, located 5-6 km from the target?