Testing mine protection vehicle IVECO 65E19WM

The specialists of KAMAZ OJSC kindly agreed to tell in detail about the mine safety tests of the IVECO 65E19WM vehicle. Next to them is the word:

In the period from 07 to 12 in March 2011, together with experts from the Russian Ministry of Defense and OJSC KAMAZ, special tests were carried out to determine the protective properties when exposed to damaging factors modern weapons.
The head of the Main Automobile and Armored Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Russia, the General Director of KAMAZ OJSC, the chief designer of KAMAZ OJSC and other representatives of the defense department and the military industry attended the tests.

Measurement control devices:

Dummy Hybrid III (Hybrid III)
The following basic measuring instruments were installed in the dummy:
- load sensor in the lower part of the tibia bones of the lower extremities (on both limbs);
- acceleration sensor in the pelvic area: vertical acceleration;
- load sensor on the upper part of the neck: shear force, axial force and bending / tensile moment.

The following additional measuring devices are also used:
- five-coordinate load sensor in the lower part of the tibia bones of both lower extremities;
- five-axis load sensor in the upper part of the tibia bones of both lower extremities;
- three-axis acceleration sensors on both lower extremities, located in the middle of the tibia bones;
- one-coordinate load cell (shear force) on both thighs;
- three-axis acceleration sensors in the pelvis, chest and head;
- five-coordinate load sensor in the lumbar spine;
- six-coordinate load sensor in the upper part of the neck.

Other sensors:
- Accelerometer - bottom area under the driver
- Accelerometer - driver's footwell
- Accelerometers (4 device) - the front and rear of the roof.

In accordance with the specified parameters of the Customer (the Ministry of Defense) and the STANAG 4569, AEP55 standardization agreement, volume 2; 2 level, the mine exploded in the 6 steel body kg (trotyl) was carried out under the front left wheel.

Explosive preparation:

Video detonation:



Inside view





After blasting

In accordance with the STANAG 4569 standard, when a mine explodes, its crew and passengers are exposed to shock waves, movement and deformation of local structural elements of the vehicle. The following parts of the body are considered the most vulnerable:
- Lower legs (feet / ankles / tibia);
- Thoracic and lumbar spine;
- Head / neck area;
- Gas-filled internal organs.
The car was evaluated according to the criteria of the load and the degree of damage to these parts of the body (loads on other parts of the body are considered less critical).

Also at the request of the Customer (demonstration of protection for 1 level STANAG) the following explosions were carried out:
- copies of the anti-personnel mine DM31 (without outer shell) on the front right transverse suspension arm (total weight 600 gr.)
- copies of the anti-personnel mine DM31 (without an outer shell) under the foot space on the right rear side below the bottom 470 mm from the side and at the height 200 mm from the ground (total weight 600 is gr.).
The Italian side claims that the car provides mine protection to 7 kg of TNT under any wheel and 3 kg of TNT under the bottom.

UPD.
The hatch of the LMV opens by means of increased accelerations and is independent of the internal overpressure. During the tests, this issue was discussed with the Customer, and it was confirmed that problems with overpressure for the personnel in the vehicle cabin do not exist.
Opening the roof hatch is not an automatic process; it is just the destruction of the hatch lock. It is quite possible to strengthen this lock, but none of the Customers demanded this.
In this situation, it is better to have an open exit in order to leave the cabin, because during energy absorption the cabin may be deformed, and this is a normal process.

Comments

[Vanek]

I do not know what is there and how, but the chains just "killed"

Hello to everyone.

[Genera]

Please note that it even has a spoiler. Looks like such an incredible speed develops.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Vanek

I do not know what is there and how, but the chains just "killed"

Ivan, . Also drew attention to this, the chains say that the car is shitty in the snow.

[dmitreach]

chains say that

Vladimir,
Chains say that they are installed and nothing more. Rubber can be different. Yes, it is a fact. Reading the comments, I get the impression that many do not just forget this most obvious moment, but simply do not know this. Rubber can be highway, mud, for low pressure (ShND), seasonal, etc. ... Options - a car. The fact that we did not see Iveco with SHND or mud tires, only says that this issue was not puzzled properly. And if you put it?
Why demand from a car intended for patrolling on country roads (namely, for the war against partisans, with their mine-subversive activities, it was created) to demand the quality of a swamp / all-terrain vehicle? There is another type of technique for this.

[klimpopov]

Hi Wan!
PPC. Is this news? News for 2011 year?
By the way, a photo of the terminator undermining
In general, I have a lot of photos of different techniques and a foreign lined. So everything is burning, and the American is not worse ...

[Krasnoyarsk]

It would be Iveco in the 90s, so many guys in Chechnya would survive.

[dmitreach]

about that and speech! the machine is, on the whole, correct. Elib is not "Serdyukov's cider" ...

[JonnyT]

So I do not understand, the crew survived?

Article - Iveco advertisement and nothing more ......

And yet, anyway, the equipment for the RF Armed Forces should be domestic, I will never believe that in our state they will not be able (or cannot) create an analogue that surpasses Iveco in all respects. Kickbacks want to stick to cash flows ...

[Alikovo]

created the same tiger

[JonnyT]

What is a tiger? They say a lot about him. Someone says that it’s a bad armored car, it’s falling apart, it doesn’t hold an explosion, and it’s super (like a mustache) ... The tiger has not been worked out yet.
Iveco is an advertised car, the Italian and our PR managers tried ..... and does anyone know the real statistics of Iveco's use in conflicts, for example, in Afghanistan (are there any at all). How many times were undermined and what is the result? I haven’t seen any particular information, and this leads to bad conclusions. If Iveco successfully defended the entire network from undermining, it would simply be teeming with information about what a good armored car it is, and NATO has used it more actively.
The tiger needs a battle check, then all the flaws will be removed. In general, I think the concept of such armored cars is ineffective and not reasonable. High security cannot be achieved with such a lineup, it is suitable only for street showdowns with crime, and not for large-scale military operations and confrontations with a rich, well-trained enemy.

[ULxaw86]

Here is the info:
http://trucks.autoreview.ru/_archive/section/detail.php?ELEMENT_ID=71469&SECTION
_ID = 2072

[MilaPhone]

Quote: JonnyT

So I do not understand, the crew survived?

Apparently, yes.
By the way, the Hybrid III dummy costs more than IVECO.

[Pimply]

At the moment, 10 countries have been using the car in Afghanistan for several years. And, importantly, most of those who use already bought the options that were.

I recommend starting with the study of the last 4-5 wars in which Russia took part.

[dmitreach]

Does anyone know the real statistics on the use of Iveco in conflicts, for example in Afghanistan (are there any at all). How many times were undermined and what is the result? I haven’t seen any particular information, and this leads to bad conclusions.

JonnyT , TopWar had an excellent article about the practice of using Ivek in hot spots. article by reference.
This is long open information. Read:
http://topwar.ru/11182-a-na-voyne-kak-na-voyne.html#
IVECO LMV Lince

"And in war, as in war!"
February 4 2012
LOSS OF ARMORED CARS OF THE IVEKO LMV (Light Multirole Vehicle) FAMILY
AND THEIR CREW AS A MEMBER OF THE ISAF MISSION IN AFGHANISTAN
(1 edition, not enlarged and uncorrected)
According to open foreign and Russian sources

[Pimply]

The article competently does what it is intended to do - to ruin Iveco. If desired, based on the same data, the author would have concocted a reverse document

[Pimply]

A tiger with the same mine resistance was not created. 6A has remained the move of marketers.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: JonnyT

So I do not understand, the crew survived?

According to the table, it is clear that the overload occurred only in the region of the right lower leg. Conclusion, the right leg of the driver is crippled.
Good day to all.

[vilenich]

I wonder why they interviewed specialists of OJSC KAMAZ and not representatives of the Moscow region.
Representatives of the Defense Ministry, in theory, should give more objective information than representatives of the defense industry.

[Ezhaak]

Quote: vilenich

I wonder why they interviewed specialists of OJSC KAMAZ

Probably for a reason that is simpler than a steamed turnip. It is KAMAZ LLC that is the assembler of this car. The collectors were asked. They are better off types of damage as manufacturers.

[MRomanovich]

One fact that interests us is whether there were specialists from the Moscow Defense Ministry who closely watched how they cooked, put in a charge and examined the car before testing, or were there only comrades with large stars who watched everything from a respectful distance?
Very suspicious is the lack of detailed information (truly detailed) about this event by the MO. Given the time, it seems that they watched everything really only from far away or ordered to be silent.

[Pimply]

There were representatives of Moscow Region, and representatives of KAMAZ. What is suspicious? In my opinion, there is just more information on Iveco than on anyone else.

[MRomanovich]

The fact that they were from the Moscow Region is not in dispute, but the question was which of the Moscow Region was in testing and what was their role. This is the main point. Speaking directly about the machine itself, it is definitely protected not badly, but still not as much as it is advertised.

[vladsolo56]

Firstly, the car stood, and therefore all the impact force fell on the front axle and the engine, when moving, the impact would fall just into the passenger compartment, and for some reason there are no tests, it’s rather strange. In addition, who said that the explosive mass will certainly be up to 6-7 kg. Well, they’ll do it before 10, and then what. As for the fact that such a thing could help in Chechnya, this is a mistake, well, RPGs and all business will hit him.

[Atrix]

Quote: vladsolo56

In addition, who said that the explosive mass will certainly be up to 6-7 kg. well, they’ll do it before 10, and then what

Basic IEDs - up to 8 kg (86%)
In Afghanistan, more than 10 kg are laid with just 5% of IEDs.
http://twower.livejournal.com/876901.html
Yes, and read the dialogs on the original article about what you can lay 20-30 kg and then will not save the car
http://twower.livejournal.com/1023082.html

[yanus]

Quote: Atrix

Basic IEDs - up to 8 kg (86%)

Because this is still enough. Will not be enough - IEDs will get heavier right away. Explosives are cheap and easy to make in artisanal conditions.

[Pimply]

Not easy. Production is very problematic, since it is not made from air. Moved mainly in standard buckets. The process is time-consuming, there are very few specialists, and an active hunt is also underway. Yes, in theory it’s beautiful - well, why should I put more? In fact, it costs a lot. It's hard

[vladsolo56]

in Chechnya, a landmine was often used; its mass is certainly more than 6 kg. so if you want everything is possible.

[Pimply]

And apply. Only usually it’s such garbage.

If desired, everything is possible. Only dreary and problematic. Because most WU barely crawls up to 8kg

[PSih2097]

Quote: Pimply

Not easy. Production is very problematic, since it is not made from air. Moved mainly in standard buckets. The process is time-consuming, there are very few specialists, and an active hunt is also underway. Yes, in theory it’s beautiful - well, why should I put more? In fact, it costs a lot. It's hard

yeah, a bag of ammonium nitrate (50 kg) ... (you’ll guess for yourself later) ... instead of the detonator, the parts from the radio-controlled machine - voila, a 15-20 kg mine of TNT equivalent is ready ... the problem is that it will be suitable only one day, then options are possible.

[Pimply]

Yeah. How many such examples can you give - in 50kg? I recommend to search. In theory, everything is good and beautiful. Practice, however, suggests that such a charge is an order of magnitude more difficult to manufacture and get ingredients, convey, lay. The vast majority of WUs now have up to 8 kg, and the weight of 10 kg exceeds only 5%, and then, for the most part - by two kilograms. The 15-20 kg you mentioned is a rarity, from the category of a black man on the street of a provincial Russian city without any specialized university.

[Atrix]

Quote: yanus

Because this is still enough. Will not be enough - IEDs will get heavier right away. Explosives are cheap and easy to make in artisanal conditions.

I already wrote read the original article by Denis and look at the discussion of one troll about the charge hobby, and they explained to him that it is not so simple as it seems even told on the fingers where he was wrong and brought the facts.

[Pimply]

Making 10 is problematic. It seems - easier than the lung, but in fact, a problem.

[vorobey]

And here is a sequel from Denis Mokrushin.
In our region, in Molkino, two of these. only more often in columns Tigers dangle.

http://twower.livejournal.com/862741.html

[Sirocco]

I don’t know about you, but here we have these dangling

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

Dvigun is probably a stranger, like in Dakar ....

[Sirocco]

No, it’s not Dakar, it’s possible Sp.Naz frolics. I saw Kamaz from them, very similar.

[vladsolo56]

On Dakar, do not believe everything native to those who are lying, it is better to read the sources

[ULxaw86]

You probably mean domestic, not native ?!

[Pimply]

Hand on hand for violation of the speed limit on a public highway

[corp67]

Competition is needed in any way. Otherwise, our defense industry will whine so that it is impossible to bring protection to grade 6.

[Algor73]

It has long been necessary for designers to think about the Man who will operate this or that machine. It has become so customary with us since the 30s that "first of all, the planes ...". The first thing to do is to be human.

[Sirocco]

Remembering the conflict in Yugoslavia, even the Amers preferred to patrol the area on our armored personnel carriers, and not on the Hamers. The thing is that under the podry, (see photo above) this vehicle will not move anywhere. An armored personnel carrier has a wheel, two, and it is able to leave the line of fire. And the fact that in Iveco, as if "survived" is not a fact, machine guns and grenade launchers will finish their job, with an immobilized car.

[Dmitry 2246]

Of course, patrolling is best done on a combat vehicle, rather than on an armored vehicle — in our army there are none at all.
And so BTR for water, to the store - BTR, and so on.
Up to 40 km / h "bronik" accelerates on 6 wheels (2 on one side burned out) drove 230 km on the asphalt.
In fact, Iveco is the first armored car in modern RA.

[Canep]

The armored personnel carrier agrees to protect against mine blasting an unsurpassed car, but the problem is to force the soldiers on the march in armor to sit, rather than draw on the armor. With the undermining of armored personnel carriers on an anti-tank mine, everyone on the armor is the 200th.

[NOBODY EXCEPT US]

It is strange that tests are being carried out in Germany, and it seems to me that if the detonation were in motion, the explosion would have been just under the crew and the consequences would have been different, more deplorable, and it looks like an attempt to justify the loot, because you have to buy 2000 pcs according to the already achieved arrangements ....

[Pimply]

Under the bottom - 3 kg, and this is also a very decent result.

[dmitreach]

Quote: Vladimirets

the chains say that the car is shitty in the snow.

Chains say that they are installed and nothing more. Rubber is different. Yes, it is a fact. Reading the comments, I get the impression that many do not just forget this most obvious moment, but simply do not know this. Rubber can be highway, mud, for low pressure (ShND), seasonal, etc. ... Options - a car. The fact that we did not see Iveco with SHND or mud tires, only says that this issue was not puzzled properly. And if you put it? Why, from a car intended for patrolling on country roads (namely, for the war against partisans, with their mine-subversive activities, it was created) to demand the quality of a swamp / all-terrain vehicle? There is another type of technique for this.

[timeout]

I don’t understand everyone ran into this Iveco. Someone relies on the data provided here, someone on the personal opinion of Mokrushin, whom I personally do not trust. And even no one tried to search for data on this unit on Western sites. Crawled up and there is a complete bummer, except that Russia does not write anything about buying this shushpanzer, I found one forum on which Iveko is also discussing http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?98523-Iveco-LMV-in-Afghanist
an, and no useful information, conclusions like ours, as well as bravura reports from Afghanistan. Here is another http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/carreviews/2750782/Iveco-LMV-Dangerous-World
.html This is a review from a British journalist, also not unique. Until the car really enters the troops to Private Vasya and he does not speak out. Or if the RF Ministry of Defense does not conduct official tests for detonation at the GRAU training grounds, then we will still transfer from empty to empty. Just have to wait ...