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In a shootout with militants in Ingushetia, the commander of the special forces of the Russian Interior Ministry troops was killed

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In Ingushetia, during the special operation, three militants were liquidated, the commander of the special forces of the Interior Troops of the Russian Interior Ministry was killed, law enforcement agencies of the republic reported.


According to the source, as a result of the special operation, three members of the armed underground were destroyed. Two of them are the Ozdoev brothers. The identity of the third killed is established. The house where the special operation was carried out belongs to Yakub Mankiev, his father Bamat-Girey Mankiev was previously a deputy of the republic’s parliament, as well as the minister of agriculture.

As previously reported in the information center of the National Anti-Terrorism Committee (NAC), the operational headquarters received information on the possible whereabouts of several gangsters in the village of Dolakovo.

In 05.00, a counter-terrorist operation regime was introduced within the boundaries of this settlement, the bandits were blocked in one of the houses on Stepnaya Street.
On offer to fold weapon and the gangsters refused to surrender to the authorities, the criminals tried to break through the cordon.

“Resistance was crushed, and the bandits themselves were neutralized. They are identified as the Ozdoev brothers - Adam and Chalas. Two pistols, one of them with a silencer, and two home-made grenades, were found at the scene of the clash, ”the NAC representative said, according to ITAR-TASS.

According to the operational headquarters, the neutralized bandits were active participants in the Nazran criminal group.

“On account of this criminal community are a number of crimes of a terrorist nature: attempted murder and killings of law enforcement officers and military personnel, numerous facts of extortion of large sums of money from local entrepreneurs. There is also evidence of the direct involvement of neutralized bandits in organizing and carrying out a suicide bombing at a traffic police post on the administrative border of Ingushetia and North Ossetia, perpetrated on October 23 last year, when three police officers died, ”the NAK reported.

During the inspection of neighboring houses, special forces officers were fired from a firearm.

“The building from which the fire was fired was blocked. In order to convince the bandits to lay down their arms and stop the resistance, negotiations were held with the participation of their close relatives. Despite the opportunity given to them to surrender, the bandits resumed firing on the forces of law and order, ”the NAC said.
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  1. amp
    amp April 9 2013 07: 57 New
    +3
    The only way to defeat terrorism is to take revenge on the relatives of the terrorists.
    1. Murat 09
      Murat 09 April 9 2013 08: 08 New
      18
      are you a short-sighted person or a provocateur ???. The fanatics do not give a damn about their relatives, they don’t give their pennies a penny, and if they take revenge on relatives, their relatives will take revenge on them, etc., and the circle will expand. People of Russia will be its enemies, and this is only necessary for the enemies of our country who dream of ruining it. And in order to fight terrorism, young people need to be educated in true Islam, to explain to them that undermining is suicide, a great sin, etc., to fight the ideologists of terrorism, and also to fight injustice and corruption, because if in Russia young people see injustice drunk from hopelessness, in the Caucasus, young people take up arms.
      1. Jokervx
        Jokervx April 9 2013 08: 23 New
        +5
        I agree, the blood basically generates even more blood.
      2. Mitek
        Mitek April 9 2013 08: 25 New
        +8
        It’s a pity for the Officer ... Earth rest in peace. And I’ll catch this whole scum.
      3. atalef
        atalef April 9 2013 08: 27 New
        18
        Quote: Murat 09
        The fanatics do not give a damn about their relatives, they don’t put their opinions for nothing

        But this is you in vain. You don’t understand the mentality, Chechen, Ingush and, in general, a Muslim taken out of the family — it costs nothing. An alien clan will never consider it to be his own and without support from relatives, he will immediately be blown away. One way to fight terror in Israel is to expel terrorists from the West. coast (such cities as Jenin, Hebron, Ramallah) to Gaza. And here and there Palestine (they just don’t have a physical connection. It seems like they are all brothers. But when they get to a city where he has no relatives or connections, the same terrorist feels worse than in prison. Without relatives, people living in tribal relations ( as Ingush, Chechens) are worthless. Russians living at a higher level of social development cannot understand this. Therefore, pressure on relatives is an effective method of combating terror
        1. Murat 09
          Murat 09 April 9 2013 08: 40 New
          11
          I myself am from the Caucasus, in our republic, unfortunately, there were also manifestations of terrorism, let’s say the house was cordoned off, offered to surrender, his father came, ordered his son to surrender, he didn’t obey and died. They don’t even listen to their parents, although in Islam disobedience to parents it’s a terrible sin. And the example of Israel is not relevant for us, because Israel and Palestine are different states, separated by a wall many kilometers long. And what do we want to separate the Caucasus or something ?.
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 April 9 2013 09: 43 New
            +4
            For Murat 09
            Good afternoon! I think you're right that the bloody repression of relatives is a dead end, but something needs to be done! A terrorist does not become a terrorist in one day - it is a long process and it happens in front of relatives and family. If they did nothing to stop him, then they automatically become accomplices of terror. The family must either help a person stop or destroy him, independently or surrendering to the authorities, and for the incentive you need to introduce a rule, as the Israelis do, to blow up the house of a martyr. Tough, but no other way is visible. It is impossible to assign a guard to each, and the family can handle it. But the main problem of terrorism is its profitability for the North Caucasian elites. Intimidating Moscow with terrorism, they get good money for it, supposedly for development, but they settle in the pockets of the elite, while the people live in poverty.
            Alexander 1958
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 9 2013 10: 53 New
              +3
              Quote: Alexander 1958
              A terrorist does not become a terrorist in one day - it is a long process and it happens in front of relatives and families. If they did nothing to stop him, they automatically become accomplices of terror

              You are not right!
              In your opinion, a killer and a maniac and a thief do not become bandits, thieves and murderers in one day !!
              Let us hang or blow up all their relatives, neighbors and friends !!
              There will be no crime!
              Quote: Alexander 1958
              The family must either help a person stop or destroy him, independently or surrendering to the authorities, and for the incentive you need to introduce a rule, as the Israelis do, to blow up the house of a martyr.

              Nonsense!!
              Calling a bandit a martyr you make him an ad!
              The Israelis have achieved little of this !!
              Usually, Saudi Shaitanists built even better houses for relatives !!
              Let us, too, be responsible for the actions of your relatives and neighbors!
              This is nonsense and the recognition of the state and the Law of its powerlessness before the bandits !!
              As for the intimidation of Moscow, less need to enter into * business * relations with bandits !! Eradicate corruption and everything will be in order!
              The trouble in your country is that all thieves are thugs more popular than HONEST people !! When the life of a thief in law is shown on TV and they’ll publicize his life in plain text !! A month ago, on NTV, I saw about the * heroic * life of one of the thieves and the life of his * long-suffering * family lit up!
              1. Murat 09
                Murat 09 April 9 2013 14: 14 New
                +3
                Alibek, 1000 pluses per answer
              2. Alexander 1958
                Alexander 1958 April 9 2013 16: 30 New
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                Quote: Yarbay
                In your opinion, a killer and a maniac and a thief do not become bandits, thieves and murderers in one day !!

                Quite rightly, in one day they will not be assassinated, let alone terrorists. This all happens long enough before the eyes of loved ones, relatives, and sometimes a neighbor
                Quote: Yarbay
                Calling a bandit a martyr you make him an ad!
                - I didn’t even think, but it would be terrorist to remind fathers and brothers that they would not be financially redundant for their relatives, including financially. There is a norm in the Criminal Code for negligent parents about responsibility for children, and here, only in our case will relatives be financially responsible. Then they will have less desire to pretend that this is necessary and more desire to return the lost sheep to the herd.
                Quote: Yarbay
                This is nonsense and the recognition of the state and the Law of its powerlessness before the bandits !!
                Well, you contradict yourself, you say that you can’t be so cruel, you say that the state is weak ... There is the experience of General Ermolov. Tough but effective.
                Quote: Yarbay
                The trouble in your country is that all sorts of thieves are bandits more popular than HONEST people
                , but here I completely agree with you - this is the result of a link between power and crime that began back in the 70s
                1. Yarbay
                  Yarbay April 9 2013 19: 53 New
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                  Quote: Alexander 1958
                  - I didn’t even think, but it would be terrorist to remind fathers and brothers that they would not be financially redundant for their relatives, including financially.

                  So I remind you that then you are also responsible for your relatives, friends and relatives, and if at least one person commits a crime, prepare a kitten and go to jail with it, and the state will burn your house, and let the children fight along the streets !!
                  Quote: Alexander 1958
                  Well, you contradict yourself, you say that you can’t be so cruel, you say that the state is weak ... There is the experience of General Ermolov. Tough but effective.

                  I do not contradict myself !!
                  I’m talking about the need to punish bandits and bribe-takers, regardless of whose friend and brother he is, and do it according to the LAW, and not according to thieves * concepts * and * Mongolian customs *!
                  what do you generally know about Ermolov’s experience ?? only for la do everything mostly !!
                  I say that it is necessary to execute the LAW !!
                  I’m saying that it’s enough to endure corrupt officials and then no bandits will feel frivolous !!
                  The Law must be more important than the official!
                  Who in 20 years was put out of those who stole on the scale of Russia ??
                  1. Alexander 1958
                    Alexander 1958 April 9 2013 21: 38 New
                    0
                    Quote: Yarbay
                    So I remind you that then you are also responsible for your relatives, friends and relatives, and if at least one person commits a crime, prepare a kitten and go to prison with it, and the state will burn your house, and let the children take to the streets

                    Well, why is it so primitive .. I mean a family living under one roof, blood relatives who are obliged, according to unwritten laws of kinship, to HELP each other in difficult times, but the obligation to help implies the right to demand that relatives do not create problems for each other . It is quite a large fine at the price of a house and any shahid will think about it before entering this path like any father and older brother will be more attentive to what children and brothers do in their free time.
                    1. Yarbay
                      Yarbay April 9 2013 22: 33 New
                      +1
                      Quote: Alexander 1958
                      Well, why is it so primitive .. I mean a family living under one roof, blood relatives who are obliged, according to unwritten laws of kinship, to HELP each other in difficult times, but the obligation to help implies the right to demand that relatives do not create problems for each other . It is quite a large fine at the price of a house and any shahid will think about it before entering this path like any father and older brother will be more attentive to what children and brothers do in their free time.

                      You know all the trouble is Alexander, that alas, many of you know the problem very superficially and even do not go into it!
                      You again call the bandit the shaitanist the sacred word for the Muslim for the Muslim SHAHID!
                      For a Muslim Honor to be a Shaheed and relatives close to be proud of such a relative!
                      There are seven degrees of Shaheed, suicide bombers are not suitable for any of them!
                      The question is not in relatives!
                      The question is illiteracy, ignorance of the problem and unwillingness to fight it !!
                      and I repeat your suggestions are not suitable for this issue and are harmless!
                      How many of your compatriots know where their children, brothers, sisters are at night !! ???
                      1. Alexander 1958
                        Alexander 1958 April 10 2013 08: 32 New
                        0
                        Good afternoon! Well, don’t get so excited, Alibek! If I involuntarily hurt you with something, I am sorry! I really have a vague idea of ​​the difference in the degrees of shahidism ..
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        How many of your compatriots know where their children, brothers, sisters are at night !! ???
                        here you are at the point. Indeed, we have Slavs, the concept of reverence and obedience to elders is more vague than yours, but the essence of the proposal is to use closer family ties and responsibility to prevent young people from falling under the influence of extremists and additional responsibility for the actions of all family members
                        Alexander 1958
        2. Yarbay
          Yarbay April 9 2013 10: 47 New
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          But this is you in vain. You don’t understand the mentality, Chechen, Ingush and, in general, a Muslim taken out of the family — it costs nothing. An alien clan will never consider it to be his own and without support from relatives, he will immediately be blown away. One way to fight terror in Israel is to expel terrorists from the West. coast (such cities as Jenin, Hebron, Ramallah) to Gaza. And here and there Palestine (they just don’t have a physical connection. It seems like they are all brothers. But when they get to a city where he has no relatives or connections, the same terrorist feels worse than in prison. Without relatives, people living in tribal relations ( as Ingush, Chechens) are worthless. Russians living at a higher level of social development cannot understand this. Therefore, pressure on relatives is an effective method of combating terror

          Hi Sanya!
          You are wrong in this, because you confuse Wahhabi-Shaitanists with others !!
          Shaitanist nevermind his family, family and friends, if they are not shaitianists !!
          For a Wahhabi Shaitanist, his clan becomes a clan and a family are the same shaitanists as he and no one else !!
          Murat is right!
          1. atalef
            atalef April 9 2013 12: 33 New
            +4
            Quote: Yarbay
            For a Wahhabi Shaitanist, his clan becomes a clan and a family are the same shaitanists as he and no one else !!
            Murat is right!

            Alibek, hi.
            I agree with you, the terror in Israel has not only a fundamentalist component, but Islamic jihad, partly Hamas and of course the Salafists, too, have not gone far from the Wahhabis. But the impact on relatives is primarily the collection of information and intelligence. It’s easier to prevent terror than knocking out bandigans from their cronies. First of all, intelligence and relatives are a storehouse of information.
            By the way, the terror in Chechnya and Ingushetia is also not homogeneous and not only Wahhabi. Revenge, economy, homelessness - the same play a small role
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 9 2013 13: 06 New
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Of course, the Salafists, too, did not go far from the Wahhabis

              Understand Sanya Salafis and there are Wahhabis !!
              You will not meet more than one Wahhabi who will say that he is Wahhabi!
              All of them proudly call themselves * Salafis * and we all call them doing them a favor!
              Quote: atalef
              But the impact on relatives is primarily the collection of information and intelligence. Terror is easier to prevent than knocking bandits out of synch. First of all, intelligence and relatives are a storehouse of information.

              You are right, but there are good specialists for this!
              Buying is easier and much more effective than pissing off a person!
              Quote: atalef
              By the way, the terror in Chechnya and Ingushetia is also not homogeneous and not only Wahhabi. Revenge, economy, homelessness - the same play a small role

              Since the first war ended, there has been continuous terror from the Wahhabis and I am sure there are isolated cases where the one who has lost loved ones harnessed into terror !!
              You see, to force a person to blow himself up, for this you must have devilish methods of influencing a person!
      4. vadimus
        vadimus April 9 2013 10: 08 New
        +1
        How pathetic the lives spent on such bastards ... Glory to the heroes !!!
      5. kris
        kris April 9 2013 10: 26 New
        -2
        It's time to stop fighting the old fashioned way.
        The main goal should be the life of a soldier or officer.
        And no offers for surrender.
        Only destroy. To devil to hell with the house where they are hiding, and not to shoot from small arms. Churki understand only power!
      6. Ezhaak
        Ezhaak April 9 2013 10: 45 New
        0
        Ancient wisdom says that the son is not responsible for the father. But father is always responsible for his son. As he raised a child, he received in response. If the Caucasian son does not put his father in anything, this is ok, not his son.
    2. Andrey_K
      Andrey_K April 9 2013 19: 33 New
      0
      Scientific and technological progress is approaching a century when there will be no terrorists.
      Total surveillance - any person at any given time will be viewed by several cross video cameras.
      Computers always recognize anyone by any makeup.
      In forests and mountains, too, can’t hide - every meter is viewed and shot by drones.
      The technical capabilities of the state are steadily and inevitably approaching this.

      It is a pity, of course, that the future is leaning toward an era of total control, but obvious circumstances are pushing for this.
      We can say that the terrorists are now working for the devil - total control is far from an ideal future, which everyone would like to see.
      So then their business is absolutely hopeless - sooner or later they will kill everyone one way or another.
      Just like raising fish in a drying pond, it is already known that the pond will dry in 10 years, but someone is stubbornly building fish structures there.
      Why are they doing this?
      What are they counting on?
      It turns out - this is their (terrorists) task now - to push humanity onto the path of evil - no matter how pathetic it sounds - they carry out a certain strategic order.
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets April 9 2013 07: 58 New
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    Good memory to the officer, dogs dog death.
    1. avt
      avt April 9 2013 09: 36 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Good memory to the officer, dogs dog death.

      hi Died as a Warrior! Eternal Memory.
  3. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 08: 00 New
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    So I won’t believe that the son of the former minister went into action for the money. The permissiveness and impunity of officials is passed on to children. Everything in life is what else is needed.
    The death of the special forces commander is not clear, why negotiate, why engage in a shootout. We drove a tank and demolished everything and everyone together with the house. So that there would be no dust left. We make senseless losses.
    1. zambo
      zambo April 9 2013 08: 09 New
      +5
      The death of the special forces commander is not clear, why negotiate, why engage in a shootout.

      This is prescribed by law - first, offer the offender to surrender, and then begin the active phase.
      Also, when using a weapon: first warn the criminal about a possible use, then make a warning shot up and only then use to kill. And during this time, the employee will have time to kill ten times. These are the tolerant laws we have ... By stupidity we lose the guys. Everlasting memory.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov April 9 2013 08: 26 New
        +2
        Quote: zamboy
        ... By stupidity we are losing the guys.

        It’s just because of stupidity! And also because we still don’t value the life of a soldier, and this should be the main criterion for conducting such operations.
    2. Sasha
      Sasha April 9 2013 08: 11 New
      +1
      The death of the special forces commander is not clear, why negotiate, why engage in a shootout. We drove a tank and demolished everything and everyone together with the house. So that there would be no dust ...

      An UAV with precision weapons on board would be welcome.
    3. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 9 2013 11: 03 New
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      So I won’t believe that the son of the former minister went into action for the money. The permissiveness and impunity of officials is passed on to children. Everything in life is what else is needed.

      Absolutely true!
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The death of the special forces commander is not clear, why negotiate, why engage in a shootout. We drove a tank and demolished everything and everyone along with the house. So that there would be no dust.

      I also think the tactics are incorrect, but in this case, I understood from the text that the special forces were shot unexpectedly, it can be seen when moving in the village!
      I suspect that they didn’t know exactly in which house the bandits settled, perhaps they could only determine the village by intercepting radio calls or a telephone conversation!
      And in the case when they definitely know the place, they incomprehensibly act !!
      It is often easier to take on the street than to storm the house and for this there are experts of the highest class!
  4. Romn
    Romn April 9 2013 08: 01 New
    0
    Eternal memory to the fallen ...
  5. Pushkin
    Pushkin April 9 2013 08: 04 New
    0
    When will it all end ???
  6. fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 9 2013 08: 13 New
    0
    Hardingush is alive. The deceased had a wife and two children.
  7. Apollo
    April 9 2013 08: 19 New
    13
    Good morning everybody hi

    I will add information: the 32-year-old commander of the battalion of internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia was killed during a fierce battle with criminals in the village of Dolakovo in Ingushetia. Dzhambulat Amirarslanov will be posthumously awarded the Order of Courage for his valor and dedication in battle ......- At the cost of his life, Dzhambulat Amirarslanov completed a combat mission and saved the life of comrades. The deceased officer has a wife and two children, the representative of the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs concludes.
    http://lifenews.ru/news/112574

    Good memory to the hero.
    1. Dmitry 2246
      Dmitry 2246 April 9 2013 10: 19 New
      +4
      Such people cannot die "by stupidity." They die in battle, and battle is always unpredictable.
      Our soldiers cannot destroy everything in Russia, on their land, with artillery and drones. Therefore, the best die. Good memory to the hero.
      Dagestan borders on five states (by sea) and is subjected to ideological, economic aggression in the first place, restraining lawlessness on the Russian border.
      Honor and respect for our heroes. And if they move away, then in Moscow they will again begin to explode at home.
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 9 2013 11: 43 New
        +2
        Quote: Dmitry 2246
        Our soldiers cannot destroy everything in Russia, on their land, with artillery and drones.

        usually from the house that is being stormed judging by TV nothing remains!
        1. Dmitry 2246
          Dmitry 2246 April 9 2013 14: 34 New
          0
          The area then remained.
          1. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 9 2013 19: 58 New
            +2
            Quote: Dmitry 2246
            The area then remained.

            And what about the area ??
            They are in the same house, not in ten!
            Recently, from a ruined house for three days, the 5th bandits who shot from the hatch in the basement could not smoke!
            Three commandos were killed and several wounded!
            What's this??
            This is just a disregard for fighters and professionals !!
            It's a shame!
  8. Dwarfik
    Dwarfik April 9 2013 08: 34 New
    +3
    Bright memory to a courageous and courageous person! And the strength of the family to bear the loss!
  9. Krapovy32
    Krapovy32 April 9 2013 08: 35 New
    +2
    They need to be crushed sparing no effort, otherwise they will come to peaceful cities and will again blow up and kill.
  10. Vtel
    Vtel April 9 2013 09: 02 New
    0
    Glory to Russia! Glory to the heroes of Russia!
  11. Nayhas
    Nayhas April 9 2013 09: 21 New
    +4
    For all those seething with righteous anger, I inform you that the militants should be taken alive, because "the corpses do not talk," to combat any underground, you need information that can be obtained either by agents, which is extremely problematic in the Caucasus, or through prisoners. Is it possible to find out the composition of the group, the leadership, the places of caches, people helping the underground, sources of supply, financing from a dead fighter? NO. And to produce martyrs (which everyone demands here) is not difficult, thanks to this the war will continue for a long time ...
    1. itkul
      itkul April 9 2013 11: 04 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      militants need to be taken alive


      And why they are not poisoned by gas, we must have special developments
      1. Yarbay
        Yarbay April 9 2013 11: 10 New
        +2
        Quote: itkul
        And why they are not poisoned by gas, we must have special developments

        I agree!
        At least the one used in the Nord Ost!
      2. Black Colonel
        Black Colonel April 9 2013 12: 54 New
        +1
        Krasava! My thoughts, only a little earlier indicated. But really, why not treat it with soporific gas, as in Nord-Ost? Only without death.
      3. Nayhas
        Nayhas April 9 2013 15: 52 New
        0
        There are several answer options and some very bad ones ...
    2. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 9 2013 16: 00 New
      0
      Quote: Nayhas
      militants need to be taken alive because "corpses don't talk"

      Provided that they do not resist. Otherwise, there is one road for everyone. The lives of our fighters are more expensive!
    3. woland05
      woland05 April 9 2013 16: 41 New
      +2
      Plus from me. Poherna intelligence and operational work with the natives of the TFR. Success in this direction is sporadic. And she is not poher because there are no experienced agents. The fact is that a sluggish conflict is beneficial to so many. Well this is a bottomless abyss for state funding, benefits and, accordingly, kickbacks. IMHO
  12. Apollo
    April 9 2013 09: 24 New
    +5
    Special operation in the village of Dolakovo.
  13. Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 9 2013 10: 40 New
    0
    Quote: Murat 09
    The fanatics do not give a damn about their relatives, they don’t put their opinions for nothing

    Ancient wisdom says that the son is not responsible for the father. But father is always responsible for his son. As he raised a child, he received in response. If the Caucasian son does not put his father in anything, this is ok, not his son.
  14. Yeraz
    Yeraz April 9 2013 11: 09 New
    +1
    Well, if the son of the deputy and the former minister takes up arms, then not everything rests on money there. Therefore, in the Caucasus, a person who was in this position will have enough money. It seems that the central government is doing something wrong.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 9 2013 11: 22 New
      -2
      Dear, I’ll tell you a smart thing Adin, only you don’t take offense. (C) Mimino
      The central government made the biggest mistake when it allowed ALL those whom Stalin resettled to other lands to return to their old place of residence. Hence the problems of Russia in the North Caucasus, Ukraine in the Crimea.
      1. Yeraz
        Yeraz April 9 2013 11: 49 New
        +4
        Quote: Hedgehog
        Dear, I’ll tell you a smart thing Adin, only you don’t take offense. (C) Mimino
        The central government made the biggest mistake when it allowed ALL those whom Stalin resettled to other lands to return to their old place of residence. Hence the problems of Russia in the North Caucasus, Ukraine in the Crimea.

        Dear, I’ll tell you the second smart thing, what would be the difference between Russia and America, which expelled and slaughtered the Indians, because neither Chechnya nor America are the original territories of Russian and European migrants.
        Secondly, if Russia aspires to world leadership, a return to its former power, how it will achieve this if it cannot properly ensure the situation in the North Caucasus, when there are children already and notice this is not the first time that their close children take power for arms, well, talk about the poor.
        And if you propose Stalinist methods, then the time is not right, and the authorities can solve this problem, but it’s beneficial to see the tense situation there, the bearded requisitions from both officials and businessmen, the seizure of federal money by local people and all kinds of atrocities. And there will always be a man , which will direct everything in the right direction. While there will be corruption and lawlessness this problem can not be solved.
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak April 9 2013 11: 59 New
          -1
          Well, what does the comparison between Russia and America have to do with it? And they moved there, and only moved back to the USSR. Russia received all this as a hereditary disease. And all returns began with the proclaimed, self-aware, freedom of speech and pluralism of opinions. As I understand it, you have, in the past, a certain relationship with Baku? Your nickname seems to be coming from there.
          1. Yeraz
            Yeraz April 9 2013 13: 16 New
            +2
            Quote: Hedgehog
            Well, what does the comparison between Russia and America have to do with it? And they moved there, and only moved back to the USSR. Russia received all this as a hereditary disease. And all returns began with the proclaimed, self-aware, freedom of speech and pluralism of opinions. As I understand it, you have, in the past, a certain relationship with Baku? Your nickname seems to be coming from there.

            What I mean is that this is their native land, their resettlement or the destruction of their relatives is genocide, though if they had gone wild outside their republics then, but because of some, it would be completely wrong to resettle an entire people from their historical homeland like Stalin, and will not work.
            Well, to my nickname, I have to do with the Iravan Khanate. And so I am an Azerbaijani from St. Petersburg.
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 9 2013 13: 41 New
              +1
              Let me disagree with you regarding the "genocide". For:
              Genocide (from the Greek. Γένος - clan, tribe and lat. Caedo - I kill) - acts committed with the intention of destroying, in whole or in part, any national, ethnic, racial or religious group as such by:
              killings of members of this group;
              causing serious harm to their health;
              measures designed to prevent childbearing in such a group;
              forced transfer of children;
              deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group.
              Somewhere like that. Or near that. But the resettlement of the people is not genocide! Moreover, there is an opinion that Stalin, making such a decision, rather saved the resettled peoples. At leisure, read the book I’m not imposing, but maybe change your mind a little. Sure, not completely, but at least a little.
              And I lived in Baku for 41 years in the past. But Russian. And it was there that I came across the word Yeraz. Almost fellow countrymen fellow
              1. Murat 09
                Murat 09 April 9 2013 18: 12 New
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                Hedgehog, here about the genocide or not, I bet. I am a Karachai, in 1941-1943, with my people numbering 88000 people, 15000 people went to the front, almost all men, most of them volunteers, killed more than 9000 people on the battlefields, that is, almost two-thirds. Women, children, old people selflessly worked in the rear, there are even congratulatory letters of Stalin to Karachai workers. When the Germans came, 270 people from the whole people came to their side, this, according to the NKVD, is 0,25% of the whole people. And how many Germans served Russians, Ukrainians, etc.? A lot more than 0,25% !!! women, children, old men were sent into exile. There were no men, they were at the front, therefore there was no partisan resistance to expulsion.
                During the first year, more than half of the children, 30% of women and most of the elderly from starvation died during the exile. After the victory in 1945, many of the remaining third of the men after demobilization, not knowing about the exile of their people, returned to Karachay, where they were taken by those who settled in the houses of the Karachays, poured poison and food, then cut off their heads and received a reward for the killed bandits . And that was !!! so my people lost in four years three-fifths of their numbers. and this is not genocide in your opinion ??? !!!
                1. Ezhaak
                  Ezhaak April 9 2013 19: 11 New
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                  Quote: Murat 09
                  Hedgehog, here about the genocide or not, I bet.

                  Please argue as much as you like. Just not with me. The quote I cited was taken from Wikipedia. You can argue with TSB.
                  Regarding the percentage ratio, let me ask, and you considered the percentage ratio of Russian traitors. I personally doubt it. Vichy "significantly more" are not subject to any criticism. If you start to operate with numbers, continue to do this until the very end. You are welcome.
                  Regarding poison in food. I believe you have specific evidence and evidence. I remember how an Israeli court was forced to acquit a guard from a concentration camp because of insufficient evidence. And the testimony of witnesses seemed unworthy of trust
                  I will not say anything about how the immigrants from the Caucasus behaved on the front, especially since the reference to the exploits of some representatives is included in the list of extremist materials. At the same time, I will not cite the words of my father, who fought along with the Caucasians. They came from Mozdok to Berlin together. The reason is simple, you will not believe.
                  And war, this is war. It's not up to curtsy.
                  1. Murat 09
                    Murat 09 April 9 2013 19: 46 New
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                    good about numbers. 380 Russians were in the ROA, not counting the policemen in each occupied village or city, and this is probably hundreds of thousands more, they were not counted, with the then-Russian population of 000 million people, this is 100% of the people, and this is not counting policemen, and this is already more than 0,38% among Karachais. And as for the behavior of Caucasians at the front, look on the Internet for names- Osman Kasaev, Azret Uzdenov, Kichibatyr Khairkizov, Yunus Karaketov and many others who were surrounded in the occupied territory, all became commanders of the partisan detachments that smashed the Germans. Streets in the cities and villages of Belarus were named after them. Example- Kichibatyr Khairkizov and Yunus Karaketov were left alive from their units, met by chance in the forest, and worked together for 0,25 months, freeing the columns of captured Red Army soldiers and killing the guards, killed dozens of Germans and freed several thousand captured Red Army soldiers, then joined the partisans, became the commanders of the units and died in battle. The source is a book. They fought for their homeland, the 8 issue of Stavropol. As for the poison in food, it was told to me by the grandfathers who survived and were told about this by people who lived next to them on their return from exile, but did not tarnish themselves with this. Those who did it fled when the Karachais returned to Georgia and other places of their former residence.
                    1. Ezhaak
                      Ezhaak April 9 2013 20: 15 New
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                      Quote: Murat 09
                      The ROA consisted of 380 Russians

                      Well, almost everything is true except for some small things
                      Quote: Russian Liberation Army, ROA - the historical name of the armed forces of the Committee for the Liberation of the Peoples of Russia (KONR) ...
                      About 800.000 people wore the differences between the Russian Liberation Army (sleeve insignia) at different periods of time, but only a third of this number was recognized by the ROA leadership as really belonging to their movement. The end of the quote.
                      So, how many non-Russian citizens did the ROA include? Are you able to name their number? I suspect that I am not able to. Yes, and in the army, which led to surrender Vlasov served not only Russian, agree.
                      Moreover, do you know that the policemen were at will (traitors), if necessary, to save the inhabitants of their villages and villages, and Soviet partisan spies.
                      Yes, you are right, in that description of the “exploits” of Caucasians there were different surnames. And far from alone.
                      Sorry, you didn’t have a very necessary conversation. All the best.
                      1. Murat 09
                        Murat 09 April 9 2013 20: 25 New
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                        well about the size of other nations-
                        approximate number of representatives of various peoples of the USSR as part of the German armed forces

                        Peoples and National Groups

                        Strength

                        Notes

                        Russian

                        380000

                        Including approximately 70000 Cossacks. Of the rest, up to 200000 were in the ranks of Heavi *. Up to 50000 (including 30-35 thousand Cossacks) were part of the SS troops. More than 100000 at the end of the war were the Armed Forces of Armed Forces ** (including 50000 - ROA ***).

                        Ukrainians

                        250000

                        Up to 120000 - as part of the auxiliary police and self-defense, about 100000 - in the Wehrmacht, mainly as “heavy”, 30000 - as part of the SS ****.

                        Belarusians

                        70000

                        Up to 50000 as part of the auxiliary police and self-defense (including the BKA *****), 8000 as part of the SS troops, the rest as part of the Wehrmacht and auxiliary formations.

                        Latvians

                        150000

                        40000 as part of the SS troops, 12000 in the regiments of the border guard, up to 30000 in the Wehrmacht and auxiliary units, the rest in the police and self-defense.

                        Estonians

                        90000

                        20000 in the SS, 20000 in the regiments of the border guard, 15000 in the Wehrmacht and auxiliary units, the rest in the police and self-defense.

                        Lithuanians

                        50000

                        Up to 20000 in the Wehrmacht, up to 17000 in auxiliary units, the rest in the police and self-defense.

                        Azerbaijanis

                        38500

                        13000 - in combat, 5000 - in the auxiliary units of the Azerbaijan Legion, the rest - as part of various parts of the Wehrmacht) including in the Turkestan Legion) and the SS.

                        Armenians

                        22000

                        11000 - in combat, 7000 - in auxiliary units of the Armenian Legion, the rest - as part of various units of the Wehrmacht and SS.

                        Georgians

                        25000

                        14000 - in combat, 7000 - in auxiliary units of the Georgian Legion, the rest - as part of various units of the Wehrmacht and SS.

                        Peoples of the North Caucasus

                        28000

                        10000 - in combat, 3000 - in the auxiliary parts of the North Caucasus Legion, the rest - in the various parts of the Wehrmacht and SS.

                        The peoples of Central Asia

                        45000

                        20000 - in combat, 25000 - in auxiliary units of the Turkestan Legion

                        The peoples of the Volga and Urals

                        12500

                        8000 - in combat, 4500 - in the auxiliary units of the Volga-Tatar Legion (Idel-Ural).

                        Crimean Tatars

                        10000

                        Consisting of 10 battalions of auxiliary police and self-defense units

                        Kalmyks

                        7000

                        As part of the Kalmyk cavalry corps

                        Total

                        1178000

                        Including up to 150000 as part of the SS troops, 300 thousand in the ranks of the Khiva, up to 400000 in the ranks of the auxiliary police and self-defense
                        So I know the numbers, but I started this conversation, because it’s a shame for the people when they whitewash the crimes of Stalin, saying that he would supposedly save the repressed peoples by expulsion, or that they are all traitors, and I did not start this conversation.
                        And all the best to you.
                      2. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak April 9 2013 20: 36 New
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                        Aw, bravo! Return to my previous post and read that of the 800 attributed to the ROA, there actually was a third of that number. 000/1 of the 3 is 800. So your 000 lies sucked from your finger. You have been deceived. If Vlasov himself speaks of 267, who can know better than him? Unless you, Murat000.
                      3. Murat 09
                        Murat 09 April 9 2013 20: 47 New
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                        In the USSR, more than 350 people were convicted of cooperation with the Germans, and this is already more than you said about 000. And there were still those who died in battles, fled to the west, hid, and finally those who weren’t found. do not join well ?? And in the above link, does it say that they all served in the ROA, there are also parts of the SS, And auxiliary troops, etc.
                      4. Ezhaak
                        Ezhaak April 9 2013 20: 59 New
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                        Yes, I'm sorry. I ran into this ROA.
                        In this case, read, at the same time, calculate the exact numbers of all those arrested, released, and repressed. All figures are given by the author with links to specific documents. And this can be checked, unlike what you gave. I found a site where this is published.
                        Pykhalov Igor. Great slandered war
                        Pykhalov Igor. Great slandered war 2
                        Their two books, read on health. All the best. It's time to sleep. smile
                      5. Murat 09
                        Murat 09 April 9 2013 21: 02 New
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                        Good night smile
          2. Yarbay
            Yarbay April 9 2013 20: 03 New
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            Quote: Hedgehog
            Please argue as much as you like. Just not with me. Quote quoted by me

            So you yourself confirmed with your quote that there was * genocide * !!
            Exiled and killed because of ethnicity !!
            Quote: Hedgehog
            deliberate creation of living conditions designed for the complete or partial physical destruction of this group.

            At least it was !!!
            1. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 9 2013 20: 29 New
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              Quote: Yarbay
              Exiled and killed because of ethnicity !!
              ,
              Well, if you want it, I’m not able to interfere.
              Moreover, if you begin to publicly tell that after January 20, thousands of corpses were taken to the sea and drowned there, I won’t bother you. I love fairy tales. Remember, I was there and saw everything with my own eyes.
              Find and read a book, it can be downloaded for free.
              Pykhalov Igor. "For which Stalin deported peoples"
              Other conversations are useless.
              1. Murat 09
                Murat 09 April 9 2013 20: 55 New
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                Well, where in this little book of Pykhalov it is said about the Karachais, for which they were evicted, and ???
              2. Ezhaak
                Ezhaak April 10 2013 08: 53 New
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                Quote: Murat 09
                Well, where in this little book of Pykhalov it is said about the Karachais, for which they were evicted, and ???

                Good day to all.
                Fu, how indecent to call names. Well, I didn’t say anything like this about the super-production of a certain Drobyazko S. I., disseminating "indicative" data.
                Pykhalov has not a word about such a people as Karachais. Moreover, there is not a word and S. Drobyazko as if this people never existed. It seems that if there is not a word about you, then you won’t even read. This is already a biased attitude!
                So, you started talking about genocide and switched to traitors.
                Traitors do not interest me, because they did not deal with the genocide of the Karachais. You claim that the Russians did this. Let's get it right. Do you personally have any complaints against my father or against me? I doubt very much. Who gave the order for the resettlement of the peoples of the North Caucasus? Stalin. He is Russian"? NO, he is Georgian. All questions to the Georgians. Farther. Who was the main executor of the order?
                I believe the NKVD authorities. Who was the chief commander in the NKVD? I will answer for you so that you do not strain. Beria L.P. Is he "Russian" in your opinion? No, he is Georgian. Next comes a trifle of all stripes, including Russian. Karachais also served in the NKVD !!!
                I hope you understand who should make a complaint. And finally, I will repeat the words written below for Yarbay. Now, when the world or community of people approves the presence of the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire, then you will all have a reason to talk about the genocide of all of you. In the meantime, silence.
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay April 9 2013 22: 40 New
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              [quote = Ezhak] Moreover, if you start to publicly tell that after January 20, thousands of corpses were taken to the sea and drowned there, I won’t bother you. I love fairy tales. Remember, I was there and saw everything with my own eyes.

              And what about January 20 ??
              I also saw it with my own eyes !!
              Hundreds of unarmed people were killed using automatic weapons tanks and all kinds of weapons !!
              I didn’t talk about that !!
              I gave you a quote from your explanation of the genocide, which confirms that in relation to some peoples both in the Russian Empire (Shapsugs, Circassians) and in the USSR!
            3. Ezhaak
              Ezhaak April 10 2013 08: 22 New
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              Quote: Yarbay
              And what about January 20 ??

              Just in case. And every case happens! Now you have begun to lie, claiming hundreds of dead. At first, not “hundreds,” but one and a half hundred. Only. Personally, I saw the Volga with the driver killed in it. The machine in the hands is not a weapon, but it was a murder weapon directed against the soldiers who served in the Salyan barracks. And how many were killed with weapons in their hands? You do not know the case of shelling the Salyan barracks with a 16-story building nearby? And such examples are not few. Therefore, it is not worth affirming a certain genocide. Now, when the world or community of people approves the presence of the Armenian Genocide in the Ottoman Empire, then you will all have a reason to talk about the genocide of all of you. In the meantime, silence.
    2. Yarbay
      Yarbay April 9 2013 20: 01 New
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      Quote: Murat 09
      I am a Karachai,

      20 years ago I met a Karachai in Kislovodsk!
      To my surprise, your language is 100 percent the same as ours!
      1. Murat 09
        Murat 09 April 9 2013 20: 02 New
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        Yes, we are Turkic peoples, we have one language))) I have familiar Azerbaijanis, we understand each other without problems.
  • Ezhaak
    Ezhaak April 9 2013 13: 47 New
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    Pykhalov Igor. For what Stalin deported peoples
    Sorry, sclerosis, I forgot to copy the name of the book.
  • timurpl
    timurpl April 9 2013 11: 17 New
    +1
    dearly pay for loyalty!
    -two pistols were discovered .. whereas with such a combat advantage a well-equipped fighter could die ?!
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 April 9 2013 15: 03 New
      0
      They took more there, since four bandits were killed. All with weapons.
    2. Garrin
      Garrin April 9 2013 22: 47 New
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      Quote: timurpl
      -two pistols were discovered .. whereas with such a combat advantage a well-equipped fighter could die ?!

      Also surprised.
  • Himalayan
    Himalayan April 9 2013 14: 20 New
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    Quote: amp
    In order to convince the bandits to lay down their arms and stop the resistance, negotiations were held with the participation of their close relatives. Despite giving them the opportunity to surrender, the bandits resumed firing on the forces of law and order, ”they said in


    The inevitability of retaliation against criminals and accomplices!
  • Ruslan Bear
    Ruslan Bear April 9 2013 14: 23 New
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    Eternal memory to the peasant
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 9 2013 14: 29 New
    +1
    taken from the Hardingush site

    He tried not to call himself Amir. This is a bad omen - Amirs do not live long. But that did not help him. Ibrahim Mestoev was our main goal. The night did not sleep. Waited for the order. At dawn, and the order came - you can work. The place was blocked and offered to give up. Two immediately went on a breakthrough. They wrote in the news that these were Ozdoev brothers, but it seems to me that this is a mistake. One really was Ozdoev, and the second, as the opera said, was Arthur Pliev. They immediately tried to escape, abandoning their "amir". Courageous Mujahideen, so courageous ... Throwing your commander before the battle is very patsansky. They fired from pistols on the run. Far from running away. Bullets run faster.


    Mestoev and his driver, Mankiev, were in the neighboring house. (Yes, yes, everything is exactly the same for the terrorists: he became a small boss - he has a personal driver, ep). Mestoev, of course, gave up was pointless. But Mankiev had a chance for a short time, so he immediately shouted that they would not shoot, he was ready to give up. As far as I know, he was only harboring "amir" and aiding. Voluntary surrender and cooperation with the investigation - well, for 5 years he would have received the maximum.

    The house, I must say, is simply huge. Papa Mankiev was not the last person in the republic. He worked as a deputy and as a minister. The house met the status. We stopped, in short, we are waiting for Mankiev when he leaves. Does not exceed. The opera contacted him on his mobile, he answers - no, I can’t give up. Opera begin to think what next. The one who spoke with him explains that the guy is almost crying, obviously wants to give up, but most likely Mestoev will not let him in. Mankiev Sr. was brought. Incidentally, he is one of the opposition who loves to chew snot about the judicial executions and the killing of innocents. They gave him the phone - so talk to your son, otherwise there will be a judicial execution and the murder of an innocent. The son begins to whine to dad - I can’t do that. The father says: "Guys, I’ll come in now, kick the ass of this idiot and pull him by the neck to you." Just tried to enter the house (in his own house, by the way), they opened fire on him. The men pulled dad out of the fire and that's it - the negotiations are over. Papa Mankieva explains to us that he was building this house and it is essentially a fortress. We can’t get them out of there without destroying the house itself. Also, damn it, I found a problem.

    Began to roll out the house appliances. Nobody shoots, calmly everything, in working order, to break everything is not to build. Well, they demolished the house, went to clean up the special forces of internal troops. Examine, inspect, no one anywhere. And suddenly turn from the basement. Wounded Jambulat - company commander. He would calm down, give the guys the opportunity to cover up with fire and pull themselves out, but he decided that he should not let them jump out of the basement. And, probably, he got angry that he was wounded ... In short, he returned fire. The trouble is that he was in full view, and these rats in the hole. Wounded him in the head. Deadly wound.

    But the kam still failed to jump out. Their only chance of a breakthrough was captured by Jambulat. Now they understood that the basement was not only a refuge, but also a trap, and they were no longer destined to get out of it. They blew them up in the basement to hell and the whole conversation.
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 9 2013 14: 38 New
      +1
      The guys did everything right. Sorry for the deceased. Cove is not at all sorry. They do not deserve it.
  • Severin
    Severin April 9 2013 14: 56 New
    +1
    http://hardingush.livejournal.com/69714.html
    For those who are interested in the blog of a person who is involved in all of this.
  • fzr1000
    fzr1000 April 9 2013 16: 09 New
    +1
    Not quite in the subject, and I can not 100% justify the fighters, but I can understand for sure.

    A group of Indonesian special forces Kopassus stormed the prison on the island of Java. The attackers jumped over a one and a half meter fence, forced the guards to open the prison's doors and shot four of the defendants.
    Brigadier General Untung Yudhoyono, who was appointed the head of the investigation in this case, confirmed the information about the attack by Kopassus special forces on the prison in the Sleman district of the special district of Yogyakarta, located in the central part of the island of Java. The official representative of the Armed Forces of Indonesia did not deny the incident either.

    The main version of the killing of prisoners is revenge. Three days earlier, the defendants killed the commander of the Kopassus detachment, who tried to open a fight in a local cafe.

    The brigadier general also added that 11 special forces soldiers participated in the attack on the prison. They overcame the fence and, threatening to detonate a grenade, forced the guards to open the prison doors. After which they took the keys to the cells where the suspects were kept and shot them on the spot,
    1. Ezhaak
      Ezhaak April 9 2013 16: 26 New
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      Illegal action and they will be brought to this, I suspect, to responsibility. Probably someone will be condemned. But the guys acted correctly, otherwise the lawyers of the killers turned everything upside down. Retribution must be inevitable.
  • Garrin
    Garrin April 9 2013 20: 37 New
    +2

    Remember the guy. drinks