D. Kuchera: Kazakhstan will become the "world leader" in the production of combat helicopters?

Kazakhstan plans to expand the production of military helicopters and declares ambitions to become "one of the world's flagships in the production of light attack helicopters," announced the defense enterprise of NK Kazakhstan Engineering JSC. The Republic signed a memorandum of cooperation with the European defense giant Eurocopter (a division of EADS) on the assembly and maintenance of EC 645 T2 helicopters - a combat version of EC 145 helicopters already produced in Kazakhstan. Here is the relevant excerpt from the press release:

"According to the document [signed by Bolat Smagulov, Chairman of the Board of NC Kazakhstan Engineering JSC, and Olivier Lambert, Senior Vice President of Eurocopter], Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering LLP, the only manufacturer of EU 145 helicopters in the CIS, will assemble and maintenance of military helicopters EU 645 T2.

The agreements reached ... will allow the joint venture to reach a new stage in its development, to set up an assembly (with mastering the production of some components) of more high-tech products. The EC helicopter 645 T2 is one of the latest developments available on the world market for similar technology. At the moment, its mass production is not started by any country in the world. In case of successful implementation of the signed document, Kazakhstan will become one of the world's flagships in the production of light attack helicopters. "

The EU 645 T2 helicopters are not yet in service in any country in the world, but the US Air Force is considering them as one of the options for equipping armed aerial reconnaissance units. The arsenal of "turntables" includes laser guidance systems and a whole set of missiles and aviation guns.

Apparently, Kazakhstan itself will be the first buyer of helicopters produced in the republic, although the above-mentioned press release says nothing about it. There are no similar systems in Kazakhstan yet; only larger military helicopters Mi-24 are in service. And, if memory serves, this is the third time in a row lately, when Kazakhstan announces an agreement in the field of military-air technology, not with Russia, but with a western partner. The leadership of the republic is too cautious to state this openly, but three times in a row this is already a trend, and it is not difficult to assume that Rosoboronexport and the Kremlin are watching all this with disapproval.

Editor’s Note: Joshua Kucera is a Washington, DC, -based freelance writer who specializes in security issues in Central Asia, the Caucasus and the Middle East, as well as the author of the blog The Bug Pit on EurasiaNet.

Comments

[vladsolo56]

We must come up with such nonsense: the leader of the world helicopter industry. For this, at a minimum, it is necessary: ​​a scientific base with extensive experience in this field, a production base with a large number of professionally trained specialists, and then who in the world is waiting for a new competitor, Kazakhstan, in the helicopter market. Or maybe it is supposed to sell Kazakhstan helicopters at low prices? So anyway lower than that of the Chinese will not work. So it’s not bad to dream, it’s bad not to dream.

[esaul]

Quote: vladsolo56

We must come up with such nonsense: the leader of the global helicopter industry

Volodya
Do not rush to blame Kazakhstan for overly inflated ambitions. It says:

- become "one of

And the title is incorrect ...

[vladsolo56]

Even one of. for this you need to have all of the above by me.

[Kasym]

Vladsolo56, please tell me where to start? If you look at the experience of Japan, China, Korea - did they also have a strong scientific school? By the way, my supervisor wrote reviews on the work of Chinese mathematicians. Then they had to withdraw their scientific works from all the scientific libraries of the world. My father-in-law is Dr. F.M. sciences, physicist, now it’s the turn of him from the world's leading publications to publish his works (I already wrote about this - see archive). And further . After the collapse of the USSR, he occupied the leading country in the field of mathematics in Asia ... AZERBAIJAN !!! There were 3 mathematicians with world names and each with a large (own) scientific school. The second is Kazakhstan. Neither Japan, nor China, nor Korea, nor Taiwan !!!
And further . After his resignation, Kunaev D.A. (who knows - the first person of the Kazakh SSR) was at our house, visiting. And what he was saying, he heard it with his own ears. “I have repeatedly asked the Politburo to create a closed production cycle (from raw materials to finished products). For a multinational republic, this is very important - there will be something to be proud of. grain, metals, uranium, etc. (but there is only one raw material on the list), and we will send everything we need to Kazakhstan - do not hesitate. As a result, Kazakhstan was ranked next to last among the republics of the USSR in terms of the welfare of its citizens. " Also from the history of our homeland with you, I want to remind you what events then took place in 1 in Alma-Ata.
For Kazakhstan, and for Russia, now that the world is in crisis and we have money, it is very important to switch from the supply of raw materials to finished products. Before the crisis, in 2005, Nazarbayev was in Japan and Korea and asked their auto giants to come to us with their assembly plants. In response, polite smiles and nothing more. And now, please, and KIA, and TOYOTA, and HENDA (Hyundai is not the correct pronunciation) and SAN YEN. In my opinion, now that peace has come. crisis - there is a reduction in consumption of products, there is a redistribution of jobs in world production. Capitalists need to transfer production to where the cost of production will be minimal. In China, for example, labor is getting more expensive, there are no raw materials. Our countries (Russia, Kazakhstan) have a chance in obtaining new technologies.
What can I say. Remember the creation of the T-34. Where did the little mess come to us? And what about aviation (I mean engines)? The list goes on.
Regards, Dauren!

[Sirocco]

You are absolutely bending a stick, and you are unreasonably crumbling "loaf" against Kazakhstan. After all, he is our partner in the CSTO, CIS, and the Customs Union. Our relationship is not bad. So what if what? then Rosvertol will help. Or maybe just there, Rosvertol and rullit, Who knows? The Kazakhs have aircraft repair enterprises, one of them seems to be assembling small aircraft.

[Alex45]

Quote: Sirocco

So what if what? then Rosvertol will help.

Of course, everything can be, perhaps it will help. It’s just that it will look strange if a Russian corporation that produces combat helicopters for its armed forces helps its ally produce light attack helicopters, the development and rights of which belong to companies located in NATO countries and planned to purchase troops of this unit.

[ia-ai00]

A partner is a partner, but Tony Blair's advisers .... I have no doubt that such "assistants" do everything to ensure that there is "tension" in relations with Russia.

[Kasym]

Dear Olga, hello! Have you thought about why you need such Blair and other influential people in the West, senators there and others? They are denied to them to defend our interests, to lobby them. That there were no color revolutions, that such productions appeared. Remember the role of the former Chancellor of Germany in creating a gas pipeline along the bottom of the Baltic Sea. What pressure did Russia experience on this issue? Even the Baltic states, I'm not talking about Sweden and Finland, put sticks in the wheels. I think Schroeder played not the last role there.
Yes, Olga, unfortunately this world practice - all, for example, American companies have similar lobbies in the US Senate and Congress. Recently there was a message to the world. Media that Mark Zuckerberg to lobby for the interests of Silicon Valley in the Senate and US Congress raises capital in the amount of $ 50 million. And there is no end to willing businessmen. This is it, the capitalist system. And the rule of the game is imposed on us.
Regards, Dauren.

[Kasym]

And yet, Olga. Do you remember this surname Tskhai (in my opinion) - Ch. coach of the Kazakhstan national boxing team. He is one of those who led our Korean diaspora. It was she who built bridges with South Korea, it was she who dragged LG and other Korean companies to us. And now we supply these products to neighboring countries. And our compatriots work there. And this is no longer a screwdriver assembly - you can find it on the Internet. Type "LG in Kazakhstan". This is lobbying of interests. We need influential people in different countries who would help our economy to get on its feet, unfortunately, no one will do such things for free. And Tskhai is known even in Korea, offered to move and head their boxing federation. But he stayed and benefited Kazakhstan. I knew his son - Yura. Something like that .
Once again, with respect to Dame (especially the countrywoman) on our site, Dauren.

[vladsolo56]

Nobody will help, and this is completely useless for Russia, it’s not even a matter of defense, but all the same competition, why grow a competitor with your own hands.

[Sirocco]

Quote: vladsolo56

Why cultivate your own competitor.

Have you seen the EU 135, 145 series, and our MI 8, 117? These two models are not competitors. They have different weight categories and, accordingly, tasks. And Mila Corporation, and Rosvertol, do not produce helicopters like the EU135. Well, there are no such cars with us.

[baltika-18]

Quote: vladsolo56

We must come up with such nonsense: the leader of the world helicopter industry.

Vladimir, this is just the title of the article.
Carrying out the "screwdriver" assembly, it is not possible to become a leader in anything.
The article quoted the words from the press release "assembly and maintenance will be carried out."
Everything is as usual a production site, working hands, ready-made car kits from behind a hill, can manufacture on site 10% of the simplest components.

[heavy tank]

Yes, you go with your own Ipresky abyts where further. were we supposed to buy old turntables from russia for millions or to produce ourselves? worthless ameva

[77bor1973]

So the Americans gave you a "gingerbread" so that you would not buy anything in Russia, and then this joint venture will be safely covered with a "copper basin", tea is not the first time! In general, aviation begins with aircraft modeling and flying clubs.

[Sirocco]

Quote: 77bor1973

! In general, aviation begins with aircraft modeling and flying clubs.

This is just what we all lack.

[ia-ai00]

You minus. I had to say, the moderator did not count this minus for you. And to buy old or new - it depends on the buyer. It means that the person in charge of the purchase has "unfastened" a good hat!

[Yarbay]

Quote: ia-ai00

You minus. I had to say, the moderator didn’t count this minus for you.

Honey, how can a moderator not count your minus?))))))))
Can someone compensate for the plus?)))))))))))

[baltika-18]

Quote: Yarbay

Dear, how can a moderator not count your mines?

Alibek, yes you are a gentleman ..... + + + + +

[Yarbay]

Quote: baltika-18

Alibek, you are a gentleman.

Hi Nikolay!
I try to keep up with you !!)))

[Kasym]

Alibek, welcome my friend! Is everything all right at home? How is your little son? I think that everything is good! From the beginning of March there was no time for the Internet, now a little time has appeared - since Saturday I’ve looked through all the old materials.
And the site is also the same - as for other republics of our country, except Russia, all with sarcasm. Well, nothing, that's what we are. But Russia itself, what can it offer in the class of light helicopters? Nothing but Ansat, which is damp. So ours want to occupy this niche, and what's wrong with that? Bandits and all kinds of religious fanatics and a light helicopter with a machine gun can be driven.
The only thing I don’t understand is why the 405 plant in Alma-Ata wasn’t given the assembly. By the way, since 2010, he has come out in profit, and before that he was in the cons. And now, they say, there is enough work, which cannot but rejoice. Risks would be lower if something goes wrong. Although Europe is now not up to fat and ambition - that's what they signed up for. Ours chose the right time.
I know that ours and Russia were negotiating, even Mikheev came (who does not know - General Designer of Kamov's helicopters). We signed some kind of memorandum, but that was the end of it. It's a pity we have money. And Russia to some extent depends on the motors "Motor Sich" (Ukraine). I read that they have made an engine there, which the same Mi-8 can lift to a height of over 8 meters. I don’t know how they did it? Maybe what kind of oxygen cylinder was stuffed there? Well done, you will not say anything !!!

[Yarbay]

Quote: Kasym

Russia, what can offer in the class of light helicopters? Nothing but Ansat, which is damp. So ours want to occupy this niche, and what's wrong with that? You can drive gangsters and all kinds of religious fanatics and a light helicopter with a machine gun

Hi Dauren !!
In general, I think that this will be a good experience and thanks to this, specialists will appear who will create their cars in the future !!
We must look ahead !!

Quote: Kasym

What a pity, we have money

There is money, they must be used correctly.
create industry and buy quality !!
All right!

Quote: Kasym

I read that they’ve done an engine there, which the same Mi-8 can raise to a height of over 8 meters

Well done of course !!

[Alibekulu]

Quote: vladsolo56 So anyway lower than the Chinese will not work

Yes, the Chinese, everything will be cheaper .. and including cheaper Russians ..

Quote: vladsolo56 Why cultivate your own competitor.

This is one of the main reasons why Kazakhstan cooperates with foreign companies ... Only, then there is no need to make a noise that K-n is "looking at the West .."
About Mi-8, that is to say Mi-17 ... I agree with Sirocco

These two models are not competitors. They have different weight categories and tasks accordingly.

Let me give you the following example: in the USSR there was no truck analogous to the Gazelle, which often led to the fact that it was necessary to send Kamaz and Zilas on the flight for loads that did not correspond to their carrying capacity at all, i.e. in such cases, "empty air" was simply fiddling around and this is, accordingly, costs ...
This subsequently led to a very great popularity of "Gazelles" .. They simply had no competitors in this class ...
These helicopters must have a civilian counterpart, and I think the demand for it will be good enough for Russia. And actually, one of the main reasons that firm agreed with Kazakhstan - this is a focus on the Russian market, in connection with the Customs Union ..
About, screwdriver production I would like to note that it’s better to work with a screwdriver than with a broom .. And jobs, taxes .. and engineers have the opportunity to work in their specialty ..

[Reasonable, 2,3]

That is a complete shnyaga.

[svp67]

Now our specialists will be able to "get acquainted" with European innovations in the field of helicopter engineering, right on the conveyor ...

[Nesvet Nezar]

What is there to get to know? Physics is the same for everyone.

[demon ada]

Ukrainians also wanted to buy transporters (Europe)
still waiting and hoping.

[Nesvet Nezar]

So I say ..... Everyone, like advertising victims, discusses and discusses only the topics suggested by the media. And the fact that the prospects for the development of our economy lie in small aviation and helicopter construction, no one even thinks. On small aircraft in general, the field is not plowed in the legislation. And this despite the fact that technological developments are dark darkness - only have time to produce. And in the helicopter industry, even though they were combing, they began to produce military helicopters, but small ones like the Ansat and the Ka-226 without production, that is, there will be no breakthrough in production and sales to the population ... -226 TO EVERY RUSSIAN "maybe then the legislators would have looked in this direction and supported the manufacturer only by expanding, organizing and regulating the domestic market of helicopters and aircraft ... And the Kazakhs are good fellows understand that their quantity and quality depends on the population density. I'm surprised that they are already producing helicopters.

[Alex45]

Phrase:
... will allow the joint venture to enter a new stage in its development, to establish assembly (with the development of the production of some components)

gives a complete picture of the prospects of Kazakhstan in the production of helicopters. Knots and details (for the most part) are imported from abroad, assembly remains. You can declare yourself (possibly sometime in the future) as one of the largest assembly lines in the CIS, but this is not a full-fledged, independent production.

[Fox]

Quote: Alex45

gives a complete picture of the prospects of Kazakhstan in the production of helicopters

it's like assembling foreign cars in Russia: the nameplate of the company is stuck, and order!

[ia-ai00]

Just like in the energy sector, Kazakhstan buys equipment from Western countries, and in the technical documentation there is only information on the "entrance" and "exit", it cannot be opened in the event of a breakdown, and repair and maintenance of crazy "bucks" costs, so their equipment becomes a milking machine!

[Trailer]

Oh, laugh! Thank! I will continue to work!

[pinecone]

Apparently, Kazakhstan itself will become the first buyer of helicopters made in the republic, although the above-mentioned press release does not say anything about this
It seems to be true, although it would be more correct to say "collected" .. With leadership, there is an overkill,

[Forget]

Helicopters are certainly good, but it would be better to develop metallurgy and mechanical engineering ...

[fenix57]

,

Quote: Fox

it's like assembling foreign cars in Russia: the nameplate of the company is stuck, and order!

Yeah, "constructor" in Kazakhstan.

[Ragnarek]

Well, something strongly doubt the global leadership of Kazakhstan. And so they’re building it, it won’t be worse, but for the CSTO it’s only better

[avt]

Quote: Ragnarek

Well, something strongly doubt the global leadership of Kazakhstan. And so they’re building it, it won’t be worse, but for the CSTO it’s only better

But the author and I will shame you! ----------- "The EU 645 T2 helicopters are not yet in service in any country in the world," ------ Ah, we had a bite! Here they will assemble the first flight copy and will be the only owners in the WORLD of such "combat" helicopters, which, not like we have, the amers do not have! It's a pity Serdyukov was removed - just after such an article he wouldn't bother with the KA-52, MI- 28, MI -35. So why gloat over - we congratulate the Kazakh helicopter builders on their breakthrough into the world elite, and so on.

[Krapovy32]

Yes, it certainly will not be superfluous, if only they could find a regular market and will be able to earn money. What is wrong with the Kazakhs creating jobs and production? You look and something is useful to us in this assembly technology.

[FunkschNNX]

to collect several alien helicopters is not leadership yet :-)

[KoRSaR1]

Horse-drawn helicopters, Kazakhs will succeed in this. This is how to say that Russia is a leader in the automotive industry, and that, with us, Ford and Toyota are going sarcasm

[valokordin]

Dear, I wrote that this article is a propaganda stuffing, but I was not allowed to publish, writing that it could not be published.

[romb]

... to become "one of the world leaders in the production of light attack helicopters" ...

Everything is fine))) This information is of a purely advertising nature, i.e. the organization makes it clear to potential buyers in advance: if anything, keep in mind, we can produce (assemble) and sell you one or another European helicopter. In addition, I am more than confident that this statement was agreed with Eurocopter itself. Personally, I am for healthy competition!

[USNik]

Hmm, if that's true, then that's even good. Let them set up a technical process, teach specialists, and refine equipment. Fortunately Kamovtsy and Milevtsy go on the "excursion" not far.

[Kyrgyz]

God says to help, but the pinwheel is nowhere in service, and how and what Kazakhstan will promote it to the difficult arms market is unclear, it looks like the naive stupidity of an official not related to the industry, IMHO they will collect from the aggregates and nothing more. maybe for neighbors at the request of the European Union they will collect 10 pieces for 10 years for grandmas of the same European Union.

[Semurg]

If during these 10 years they will be paid a salary, what’s bad? They’ll carry generals on the arsenal, they’ll buy it for their grandmothers. Maybe the neighbors will want to buy such an ashtray for flights, or else drive big turntables expensive. Yes, and some weapons which are screwed, God forbid come in handy.

[Kyrgyz]

Quote: Semurg

If during these 10 years they will be paid a salary than what is bad?

Nothing bad at all, that's good, but where does global leadership come in?

[Semurg]

Absolutely nothing wrong, this is good, but where does the world leadership? [/ Quote]
Purely business salaries, taxes, technical documentation for assembly, etc., which Russia could not or did not want to give. And world leadership? I think PR and advertising which has already been pecked by quite a few people here on the site, I think on other inform resources as well than what is bad?

[avt]

Quote: Kyrgyz

looks like a naive stupid non-industry official

Why is it not clear? We have a friend Silvio, and Twitter Ayfonych cuts the sky on the Mongoose having scored on KA-62, well, Nazarbayev’s friend Tony, who is Blair, had a combat competitor for Milevts and Kamovites. Like the Kazakhs will move their combat helicopter, so all our helicopter contracts will fly That grief is The only thing left to understand is whose one, Tonic brought in the "combat" helicopter to the Kazakhs to their delight.

[romb]

there was a combat rival among Milevts and Kamovites

And he, in general, is not a competitor to them, because will occupy a slightly different niche.

[avt]

Quote: romb

And he, in general, is not a competitor to them, because will occupy a slightly different niche.

Evono how! To become not just Kazakhstan will become the “World Leader” in helicopter construction, but also in its own slightly different niche! But what ?! Sounds great. That's how this fool author didn’t dopper like that before Well dumb! One word is American.

[romb]

I had in mind the EU 645 T2, which Russians have no direct analogue to.

[avt]

Quote: romb

I had in mind the EU 645 T2, which Russians have no direct analogue to.

At the expense of the analogue, and even direct I will say this, for a long time hanging over Moscow is one such as you are going to do, mainly as a traveling one, such as a Hegeralian suite in the Ministry of Emergency Situations in ovsky coloring. They also put on their own Ka-226, Ansat, Ka-62 salon, but only this needs to be brought to mind, to be engaged in production, and so the nameplate was attached and voila, and even money on the pocket for the contract! We do make helicopters of European quality! That we have a "plant" for the production of Augusta in the suburbs, that this is your "combat" miracle. And before that, they secretly assembled helicopters for the nouveau riche from customs cleared parts. Well, now what do you have for the "combat", that we will cut them at the luxury ones at the state expense. Why all this yes for that kind of money ?! Here is where you need a razvodilovo about a great helicopter power and a specific combat niche.

[marshes]

So he looks better.

[Genoezec.]

quotes in the title immediately make it clear

[Kazbek]

So who is to blame that the Kamovtsi have so much dough profiled, it’s necessary to work. In Russia, some Serdyukov can be found and will buy helicopters from us like Mistral.

[Marek Rozny]

Ulaanbaatar, Mongolia, / MONTSAME / Kazakhstani joint company Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering has signed a memorandum on the supply of a helicopter to Mongolia, according to national Internet resources.
So, according to the document, this company undertook to deliver an EC145 model helicopter and organize consulting training on piloting, repair and maintenance.
According to the commercial director of "Eurocopter Kazakhstan Engineering" K. Ablezov / Karybay Ablezov /, they plan to make such deliveries not only to Mongolia, but also to Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Azerbaijan and Belarus.
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Ukraine plans to purchase five Kazakhstan-made EU-145 helicopters.
Ukroboronprom Group of Companies and Kazakhstan Engineering JSC intend to conclude an agreement for the supply of five EU-145 helicopters, which will be assembled at a plant in Astana.