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Domestic aviation industry comes to an end?

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To assess the degree of implementation of the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of May 7, 2012 No. 596 regarding development aviation industry for the needs of civil aviation The Control Department of the Presidential Administration of Russia conducted an appropriate audit. Below are its results.


Domestic aviation industry comes to an end?


Over the past 12 years, the number of passengers transported by air transport has increased almost threefold and in 2011 amounted to 64,1 million. It was possible to achieve these indicators mainly due to the use of foreign aircraft. Since 2000, in the Russian operating commercial fleet, the number of foreign aircraft has increased almost 15 times, and by the beginning of 2012, it was 616 units, or 41,4% of the total.

To ensure the competitiveness of civil aviation equipment in the domestic and foreign markets, to equip airlines with highly efficient aviation equipment produced by Russian enterprises, a decree of the Government of the Russian Federation on October 15 from 2001. No. 728 was approved by the federal target program "Development of Russian civil aviation technology on 2002 - 2010 years and for the period up to 2015 of the year" (hereinafter - the Program). It included measures for the development, modernization and production of 17 types of aircraft, 9 helicopters, 18 engines.

Analysis of the implementation of the Program showed that over the period of its validity, it was corrected 6 times, as a result of which funding levels and targets were changed. Thus, the financing of its activities increased by 66,1 billion rubles and amounted to 207,5 billion rubles, including from the federal budget - 59,3 billion rubles and 119,2 billion rubles, respectively. In addition, the development of the aviation industry in 2007 - 2012 in the form of contributions to the share capital, subsidies, etc. United Aircraft Corporation was allocated 247 billion rubles.

With the almost complete development of the allocated funds, the objectives determined by the Program were not achieved.

Not ensured the implementation of measures to develop a modern competitive aircraft. The serial production of the IL-96-300, Tu-204 / 214 aircraft was not organized, although the federal budget spent about 14 billion rubles to bring their parameters to conformity with the requirements of international standards.

Industrial production of the regional Tu-334 aircraft is not secured. Moreover, in 2005, work on this project was excluded from the Program. However, the development, manufacture of the prototype and certification of the aircraft from the federal budget was spent 6 billion rubles, and from extrabudgetary sources - 10,7 million US dollars. The production of new types of Ka-62 and Mi-38 helicopters, which was planned for 2008 and 2009, respectively, has not started. 7,4 billion rubles were spent on their development, including 3,5 billion rubles from the federal budget.

During the period of the Program, the financial position of aircraft manufacturers producing aircraft for civil aviation deteriorated sharply. Thus, according to the results of 2011, the major manufacturers of aircraft equipment are Aviastar-SP CJSC, Voronezh Aircraft-Building Company Joint-Stock Company, Kazan Aviation Production Association OJSC. Gorbunova ”losses amounted to 2,5 billion rubles, 1,5 billion rubles and 1,8 billion rubles, respectively.

The fixed assets of aircraft manufacturing enterprises are physically and morally obsolete, the number of personnel and its professionalism are steadily decreasing. At the enterprises there is practically no mass production of aircraft. Each year, the factories produce about 5-8 aircraft, and only in 2009, they were produced 16. Under these conditions, their cost exceeds the cost of similar foreign aircraft.

A significant negative impact on the competitiveness of domestic aircraft has a lack of engines that meet modern requirements. Existing and future developments are tied to a specific model of the aircraft and do not have interchangeable components. Thus, the SаМ-146 engine, developed by SNECMA (France) and NPO Saturn, is manufactured exclusively for SSJ-100 aircraft. At the same time, the share of Russian components in the total volume of material costs is only 12 percent. The production of each such engine brings losses in the amount of 40 million rubles.

The PD-14 engine is being developed by Perm Engine Company OJSC for the MS-21 aircraft. According to experts, this engine is approximately at the same level with promising projects of the new generation of foreign turbojet engines. However, it is likely that this project will not be breakthrough.
A similar situation exists with the supply of avionics, components, spare parts, which by their characteristics are also inferior to foreign analogues. Thus, over the past three years, the share of avionics for civil aviation in the total revenue of Concern Aviapriborostroenie OJSC was reduced from 21% to 14 percent.

Polymer composite materials that increase the strength of parts, reduce their weight and susceptibility to corrosion are not sufficiently used in the aviation industry. At Boeing and Airbus, the use of composite materials is 40-50% by weight of the aircraft, while at Tupolev and Il, at most 5-10%, Sukhoi (SSJ-100) is 5 percent.

For the above reasons, domestic aircraft do not compete with foreign aircraft in terms of reliability, efficiency, environmental friendliness and comfort. However, in the Russian Federation, the system of after-sales service support for domestic aircraft has not yet been fully established. Analysis of world experience shows that foreign leaders in aircraft construction offer a full range of modern tools, technologies and services for after sales support to customers. This allows the supply of spare parts for aircraft repairs within 24 hours.

The maintenance system existing in Russia does not correspond to the modern requirements of a market economy, as a result of which an increase in the duration and increase in the cost of aircraft repairs occurs. For example, for An-24 / 26 aircraft, which are not mass-produced since the 80-s of the last century, most of the units are not produced at all. As a result, the volume of the repair fund on the market is constantly decreasing and airlines have to purchase nodes at an overpriced price. Aggregates of Mi-8 helicopters in general can only be manufactured by prior request on a prepayment basis in the period from 2 to 3 years. This negatively affects the financial position of the airlines, worsens the position of the Mi-8 helicopter in the highly competitive aviation market. An effective tracking system has not been created for the new SSJ-100. Delivery of more than 70% of spare parts and materials is carried out up to 10 days, and the rest - even longer.

Given the current situation in the aviation industry, Russian airlines are forced to purchase foreign-made aircraft, including used ones. Currently, in the existing commercial fleet, the share of foreign aircraft among the main aircraft has reached 76%, regional - over 30 percent. Major air carriers - OJSC Aeroflot, OJSC Transaero, OJSC Airline Rossiya and OJSC Airline Siberia practically ceased operation of domestic aircraft.

In recent years, in the absence of domestic aircraft, the segment of long-haul (more than 6 thousand km) and medium-haul (from 2,5 to 6 thousand km) traffic in Russia is provided by foreign aircraft made by Boeing and Airbus. The Russian Federation has practically lost its niche in this aircraft market. To date, only X-NUMX Il-11 aircraft are operated in the long-haul segment, representing 96% of the total number of aircraft of this type. According to the information of JSC Aeroflot, which has such aircraft in its 12,3 fleet, it is planned to decommission them before 6 due to low efficiency. Thus, the average IL-2013 flight time per incident is 96 thousand hours, while its B-1,6 and A-767 counterparts have 330 thousand hours and 5 thousand hours, respectively.

In the segment of medium-haul aircraft, Tu-154 aircraft, which were developed as early as the 60 years of the last century, continue to operate. Despite the fact that these planes, based on the resource, can still fly up to 2015, many companies refuse to operate them due to the low fuel efficiency of the NK-8 and D-30 engines installed on them. Thus, the fuel consumption of the D-30 engine is almost two times greater than that of the main CFM56 engine used on modern foreign ships.

Currently, Russian carriers are rapidly replacing the Tu-154 with foreign-made aircraft. From 2000 to 2011, the year JSC Aeroflot decommissioned 26 of such aircraft, JSC Sibir Airlines - 28. An analogue to replace the Tu-154 could be the Tu-204 and Tu-214 series aircraft. However, due to uncompetitive operating parameters, as well as the high cost of these aircraft are not in demand. In this regard, with the 2000, the entire 44 of such aircraft has been released. Currently undergoing certification tests with a planned completion date at the end of 2012, an upgraded version of the Tu-204CM aircraft, featuring new engines, as well as an updated onboard equipment and avionics. It is assumed that 2012 - 2021 will produce 12 of such aircraft per year. However, according to the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the cost price of one machine will be 55 - 60 million US dollars (excluding VAT), which is 15 million dollars more than market prices for similar new Boing aircraft (B-737-800, B-737-900ER) and Airbus (A-320-200, A-321-200). This will not ensure the planned volume of sales in the domestic market.

The situation was especially difficult with regional transportation (from 1 thousand to 2,5 thousand km), whose share in the total passenger turnover is 4,8%, while the United States is about 70 percent. The fleet of regional aircraft on 70% is made up of domestic aircraft of previous generations, having an average age of more than 30 years. Before 2015, the exploitation of most of them is expected (Tu-134, Yak-40 and An-24). At the same time, to replace the retiring aircraft by air carriers, 10 SSJ-100 aircraft from 12 were purchased. The development and production of this aircraft made it possible to preserve the scientific and production potential of the industry. However, the operation of this aircraft has shown that it needs some work. In 2011 - 2012, 18 incidents occurred with aircraft of this series, of which 16 is related to the failure of the equipment. Up to 45% of calendar time, it takes an unscheduled repair of SSJ-100, while at Boeing and Airbus this figure does not exceed 3 percent. Moreover, the total amount of expenses for the SSJ-100 on the 1 seat / kilometer during the Moscow-Copenhagen-Moscow flight is 3,3 rubles, and that of the A-319 aircraft of the same type, 2,8 rubles. In addition, only 100 airfields with artificial turf, or a quarter of their number, are currently allowed to receive SSJ-28.

The necessary characteristics for successful work on regional lines, including in difficult climatic conditions, are An-148 aircraft. Over the past three years, 10 manufactured such aircraft. At the same time, according to experts of Rossiya Airlines OJSC, which has such aircraft in its 6 fleet, a certain refinement is required to increase the efficiency of their operation.
One of the options for replenishing the regional aircraft fleet can be the organization of production of IL-114 aircraft in Russia. According to the calculations of JSC Aviation Complex. S.V. Ilyushin ”, for the implementation of this project will require 4 of the year and an investment of 10,6 billion rubles.

The situation is extremely unsatisfactory with the provision of airline airlines and helicopters for organizing local air transportation (up to 1 thousands of km) in the regions of the Far North, Siberia and the Far East that do not have other transport infrastructure. Currently, local air travel is 1,4 million, or 2,2% of the total number of passengers. This segment of transportation is provided by morally obsolete, An-2 and L-410 aircraft, which are lagging behind in terms of technical parameters from several generations, their age is of the order of 50 years. In the absence of new efficient aircraft development for local airlines, the operational replenishment of the aircraft fleet can be the restoration of airworthiness and the modernization of the An-2 aircraft. This project is supposed to be implemented by the forces of the FSUE “Siberian Scientific and Research Institute of Aviation named after S.A. Chaplygin ”with the participation of Honeywell (USA) by installing a modern turboprop engine on the aircraft. This will reduce fuel consumption 1,2 times and the cost per flight hour 5 times. In addition, a memorandum of cooperation, signed by this company with an American company, provides not only the supply of these engines, but also partial localization in Russia.

At the same time, with the modernization of the An-2 aircraft, there are certain problems in relations with the Antonov State Enterprise, located in Ukraine and being the developer of these aircraft. In accordance with the aviation rules developed by the Interstate Aviation Committee, Russian companies can modernize airplanes whose type certificate holder is abroad only on its terms, which dramatically increases costs for the Russian side. For example, Volga-Dnepr Airlines, which operates An-124 aircraft, during the 20 years paid to Antonov for refining design documentation in excess of 200 million dollars. At the same time, in a similar situation with the modernization of the domestic Il-76TD aircraft, the cost of finalizing the design documentation did not exceed 2 million dollars.

It should be noted that the aviation rules in Ukraine allow interventions in the typical design of airplanes and helicopters by any licensed aircraft developers without the approval of the type certificate holder. In this regard, it seems necessary to consider as soon as possible the revision of aviation regulations in force in the Russian Federation in order to minimize the costs of the Russian aviation industry when modernizing aircraft, developed by a foreign company.

Significant volumes of cargo and passenger transportation on local airlines are performed by helicopters. The basis of the current fleet are Russian-made helicopters of the Mi-8 series (73,2% of the total) and Mi-2 (20%) developed by the 60s of the last century. At the same time, there was a tendency to reduce the supply of commercial vehicles to the domestic market from 39 in 2010 to 15 units in 2011, or 2,6 times. The massive retirement of these helicopters, as well as the delay in the creation of new Mi-38 and Ka-62 helicopters, can lead to the replacement of domestic helicopters with foreign aircraft. Recently, their purchases are increasing. While in 2008, the share of such aircraft in the total fleet was 5%, in 2012, it already reached 12,2 percent.

It should be noted that the reduction of regional and local traffic has a negative impact on operations from airports in the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. Many of them are in critical condition. The disruption of the air transport structure and other negative trends in the field of regional and local transport have led to a violation of the air transport communication between the administrative centers of the constituent entities of the Russian Federation. At present, the population of the Siberian and Far Eastern federal districts is often forced to reach the neighboring regions via Moscow, which causes an increase in the cost of travel and an additional burden on the Moscow aviation hub.

An analysis of the current situation shows that it is necessary to provide a scientific and technical groundwork for the creation of aircraft carrying out regional and local transportation. If in the near future the aviation industry does not begin the mass production of such aircraft, these segments of the air transportation may also be occupied by foreign aircraft. Under these conditions, in order to preserve the personnel potential in the aviation industry, as well as the professional level of workers, it is advisable to consider accelerating the creation of mass production of such types of domestic aircraft at Russian aircraft manufacturers or organizing foreign assembly production with subsequent localization of component production in the Russian Federation .

By the concept of the country's long-term socio-economic development, the average growth rate of the air transport market to the 2020 year is estimated as 7,5% per year. This will ensure the growth of aviation mobility of the population in more than 4 times. To ensure the increasing volumes of passenger traffic on air transport and the necessary mobility of Russian citizens, it is necessary to increase the production of modern competitive domestic aircraft. According to expert estimates, up to 2020, the need of Russian airlines can make 1000 - 1200 passenger aircraft, including 700 - 850 mainline and 300 - 350 regional and local aircraft, and 55 - 90 cargo aircraft.

The basic policy of the Russian Federation in the field of aviation activities for the period up to 2020 year provides for the formation of a competitive aviation industry. By the Decree of the President of the Russian Federation of 7 in May, 2012 No. 596 was entrusted to develop a state program for the development of the aviation industry, providing measures to ensure the needs of civil aviation. The Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia has developed a draft state program of the Russian Federation “Development of the aviation industry” for 2013 - 2025 years (hereinafter referred to as the Project). Despite the fact that its development was started a year before the decree of the President of the Russian Federation was issued, the Ministry of Industry and Trade did not provide high-quality project preparation.

The first draft of the Project was developed by United Aircraft Building Corporation in 2011 in accordance with the contract concluded with the Ministry of Industry and Trade for the amount of 42,4 million rubles. However, due to numerous comments by the Ministry of Finance, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Transport of Russia and Rosaviation, the Ministry of Industry and Trade decided to develop a new version of the Project. From June to October, 2012 of the Scientific and Research Institute of the Economy of the Aircraft Industry CJSC developed the Project, the cost of which was 32 million rubles.

The draft state program of the Russian Federation “Development of the aviation industry” for 2013-2025 was approved at a meeting of the Government of the Russian Federation on November 23 of the year 2012. At the same time, the Ministry of Industry and Trade, the Ministry of Economic Development, the Ministry of Finance and other interested ministries were instructed to finalize state support measures for the sale of Russian-made aircraft during the formation of the draft federal budget for 2014 and the planned 2015 and 2016 period, specifying, if necessary, the relevant measures of the state program and their benchmarks. It was also instructed to take the necessary measures to create a quality control and pricing system in the production of domestic aviation equipment, to increase its competitiveness, and also to implement maintenance and repair of aviation equipment primarily by the manufacturers.

We would consider it expedient for the Government of the Russian Federation, when specifying the measures of the state program and its benchmarks, to take into account the materials of the audit conducted by the Control Department of the President of the Russian Federation.

Control Department of the President of the Russian Federation
December 2012 g


Comments from the editors of Industrial Gazette

In 2011, 64,1 million people were transported by air in Russia. Of this amount, foreign companies transported 15,9 million passengers, the volume of international traffic amounted to 31,3 million, and domestic - 32,7 million people. For comparison, in 1990, 120 million passengers were transported in Russia. Since people usually fly "there and back", the number of Russians who have access to air transport is hardly more than 20 million people today. Moreover, a significant part of them - sent, repeatedly flying not for their money. Thus, the plane in Russia turned into an elite vehicle. And this is with our spaces and distances. Suffice it to say that in the north, around 300 airfields are closed.

Today, the airfield network includes 315 airfields; in 1997, they were on the order of 700. Therefore, there remains an excessive concentration of passenger traffic at the airports of the Moscow aviation hub. In the segment of domestic airlines, almost 75% of all passengers transported by Russian airlines flew to Moscow or left it. In the segment of international air travel, more than 68% of passengers also chose Moscow as the starting or final points of their journey.

Medium and long-haul transportation prevails in the country. The share of regional and local air transportation is extremely small, which reflects the extremely low availability of air transport services for a large number of citizens of the country.

The reason is in effective demand, the low level of which is due to the low incomes of the majority of the country's population and the high cost of tickets. And since the effective demand for passenger air traffic predetermines the ability of air carriers to pay for the maintenance of the infrastructure of the air communication system and buy new airliners, their fleet is replenished mainly due to foreign-made aircraft leased. This is explained by the fact that for almost 15 years, orders for domestic aircraft factories were sporadic, which led to the collapse of a significant part of the technological base and its collapse. After that, she could not recover.

As of the beginning of 2012, the current fleet of Russian airlines included 605 mainline and 340 regional passenger aircraft. At the same time, the use of western types of aircraft, whose contribution to the passenger turnover of Russian airlines in 2011 amounted to 89% (compared to 18% in 2000, year), is becoming increasingly significant. The share of modern Russian aircraft in the volume of passenger traffic was maximum in 2006, when it was 9%, and now it has decreased to 5%.

The volume of shipments of passenger aircraft to the Russian fleet is growing, and 2011 aircraft reached 149 in the year. Over the 2006-2011 years, 557 of foreign-made passenger aircraft was delivered and only 40 of new domestic cars.

Prior to 2015, it is expected that the operation of most domestic and foreign aircraft of previous generations will cease. By 2020, it will be necessary to replace part of the B-767, Il-96, B-737, A-320, Tu-204 aircraft, as well as almost all regional aircraft. Considering the write-off of obsolete types of aircraft in connection with the development of resources and the loss of competitiveness, the need to supply passenger aircraft to Russian airlines in the period up to 2020 year is estimated at 1030-1200 units. In the 2000s, more than 900 passenger aircraft were delivered.

The disposable carrying capacity of the existing fleet by 2020 will be halved, and the fleet carrying capacity of the fleet will have to increase by 90%. This determines the airline's need for 700-850 long-haul and 300-350 regional jets up to 2020.

The fundamental flaw in the federal target program “Development of Russian civil aviation technology” lies in its fragmentation and is indicated in its very name. After all, airliners themselves are not needed by anyone if there is no adequate effective public demand for air transportation, and it predetermines the effective demand of carriers for aircraft equipment and their financing of the maintenance of the infrastructure of the air transportation system.

Therefore, we should talk about a comprehensive program for the restoration and development of the passenger air transportation system in the country, which will include all of its segments: production of aircraft, airfield networks and air traffic control.

And so the current program is reminiscent of the intention to build electric locomotives without taking into account the need to maintain and develop the railway network, train stations, train control system and build comfortable cars. What the “castrated” program, in particular, leads to is shown above: only 100 airfields with artificial turf, or a quarter of their number, are currently allowed to receive SSJ-28. Another flaw in the current program is the lack of personal responsibility for its development and execution.

On the question of how to be a program for the restoration and development of passenger air travel, the editorial staff will return shortly.
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  1. Fregate
    Fregate 28 March 2013 18: 43 New
    +2
    Will not come. Yes, there are many problems, but the end will not come.
    1. VAF
      VAF 28 March 2013 19: 38 New
      +8
      Quote: Fregate
      Will not come. Yes, there are many problems, but the end will not come.



      Unfortunately you are wrong .... if this continues to continue, then it is the civilian domestic aircraft industry that has almost come to an END!

      The article is still softly written, do not forget who it is for !!!
      1. Fregate
        Fregate 28 March 2013 23: 40 New
        +1
        Even if the end comes, there will be a rebirth, I have no doubt.
        1. Anti
          Anti 29 March 2013 02: 12 New
          0
          Quote: Fregate
          if the end comes.


          Operation of An-148 aircraft in Angara and Sukhoi Superjet 100 in Aeroflot, Yakutia, Lao Central Airlines and Sky Aviation.

          The end will come to those who preach it, stories and horror stories, look at those here: http://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/?id=87
        2. sleepy
          sleepy 29 March 2013 02: 40 New
          +3
          Quote: Fregate
          "Even if the end comes, there will be a rebirth, I have no doubt."


          Missed time does not return. Catch up again?
          But there were created sufficient personnel for the aviation industry.
          With the current approach to the needs of aircraft instrumentation in engineers, highly educated specialists,
          technologists, assemblers, assemblers ... soon there will be nobody to collect.
          What do new teachers teach - to sell their services more expensively and to buy kerosene cheaper?
          1. Fregate
            Fregate 29 March 2013 10: 01 New
            +2
            Those. You want to say we will lose civilian aircraft and we will never have it again, even after 200 generations? Yes, it’s sad that this is happening in our “century”, but what is happening in the country (profit above all) will not last forever.
        3. sleepy
          sleepy 29 March 2013 02: 40 New
          0
          Quote: Fregate
          "Even if the end comes, there will be a rebirth, I have no doubt."


          Missed time does not return. Catch up again?
          But there were created sufficient personnel for the aviation industry.
          What do new teachers teach - to sell their services more expensively and to buy kerosene cheaper?
  2. Wedmak
    Wedmak 28 March 2013 18: 46 New
    10
    It’s sad. Learned to steal on an industrial scale.
  3. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 18: 50 New
    +6
    In Russia, all industry is from the country of councils.
    1. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 March 2013 21: 14 New
      +6
      The remnants of industry ... How many factories and factories in the WORLD have started up, it is scary to imagine!
    2. ia-ai00
      ia-ai00 28 March 2013 21: 15 New
      0
      The remnants of industry ... How many factories and factories in the WORLD have started up, it is scary to imagine!
  4. Andrey57
    Andrey57 28 March 2013 18: 53 New
    +1
    We’ll choose, the Ulyanovsk plant has started, Samarsky buys all the documentation for the An-140 in the transport version and becomes the owner, there is no need to coordinate the subsequent changes with Ukraine, then Ilyushin’s developments should be tightened up, the Tupolevs also probably have some backlogs and thoughts, you just need to establish tough rules for state funding and asking the result is also tough ... Many have collapsed, but after Cyprus it probably became clear to everyone that import substitution is the only way for the country. hi
  5. Andrey57
    Andrey57 28 March 2013 18: 53 New
    +3
    We’ll choose, the Ulyanovsk plant has started, Samarsky buys all the documentation for the An-140 in the transport version and becomes the owner, there is no need to coordinate the subsequent changes with Ukraine, then Ilyushin’s developments should be tightened up, the Tupolevs also probably have some backlogs and thoughts, you just need to establish tough rules for state funding and asking the result is also tough ... Many have collapsed, but after Cyprus it probably became clear to everyone that import substitution is the only way for the country, in addition, it is necessary create a system of leasing Russian aircraft, such that the airline was profitable to take domestic planes. hi
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 29 March 2013 02: 44 New
      +1
      From the Internet.

      "... Most of all there I was struck by the in-plant movement - whole streams of people back and forth, colored helmets in the shops,
      some cars go, conveyors, cars almost in chains. I haven’t seen such a spectacle a long time ago,
      because managed to get used to the sad silence of post-Soviet engineering plants, and even to the ruins -
      or to turning them into masses of trading depots.
      And here, everything was buzzing and rustling, just like in the "Red Sormovo" model of November 1986,
      which I still vaguely remembered from the moment of my very first Kamchatka business trip. Well, of course, adjusted for the time ...
      ...- Why are you so strict about filming?
      - Why take us off? We have a regime factory.
      - Well ... how many thousands of readers would know and see what the plant lives and breathes ...
      - And we do not need advertising. We work in three shifts, they barely have time to execute the program.
      - Che, so straight loaded?
      - Yes strong. Contracts are already concluded for 2015, and even for 2016. We are doing as many helicopters now as ever!
      - But the plant is from the Soviet era? Are you really doing more than under the USSR ???
      - (a little thought) ... no, the Union does not surpass us. Then there was Afghanistan, helicopters riveted like sausages.
      But now the cars are not typical, with them more fuss - we only have about twenty cabin sets.
      And then everything was simple, military. But in 20 years they have never done so much.
      “I see ... and how many cars are you doing?”
      - Well, now somewhere around 130-135 ... that's a lot. Five years ago they made less than a hundred. And the program is very large,
      we have deliveries to 31 countries except us. A repair! Repair and recompilation is also very much!
      Our service shop can barely cope.
      - And during the USSR?
      - Uuu ... then, probably, about two hundred and fifty ... But in those days it was just, basically, a new production,
      and the salons are very simple, military. Less fuss with a complete set ... "
      http://periskop.livejournal.com/1007465.html
  6. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 18: 59 New
    +2
    SSJ then chassis still
  7. domokl
    domokl 28 March 2013 19: 00 New
    +5
    Not an expert, but a passenger ... The truth is written ... Our planes are inferior to many foreign ones and are not yet needed by airlines .. Previously, I quietly flew hunting, now the local airport is closed
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 28 March 2013 19: 29 New
      +6
      domokl "I used to fly hunting calmly, now the local airport is closed"
      Ek, you remembered ... Well, when the sworn commies were hehehe..We flew to Moscow to drink beer on weekends from Siberia. They lived badly, badly.
      Well, now everything is recovering for 20 years in Russia from scratch the airport in Yakutia was built by Surgut oil workers ... everything is getting better. In 20 years we’ll build another one ... everything will be fine. The country is developing and it’s good.
      1. domokl
        domokl 28 March 2013 20: 02 New
        +6
        Quote: Nagaibak
        Well, now everything is on the mend for 20 years in Russia from scratch Surgut oilmen built an airport in Yakutia
        And we took off the takeoffs in the regional centers, the regional local airport is closed .. And in Surgut, by the way, and in Soviet times, airplanes flew from us..Any and Yak ... Now they are not
      2. Samsebenaum
        Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 21: 01 New
        +6
        Nagaibak

        Quote: Nagaibak
        Well, now everything is recovering for 20 years in Russia from scratch the airport in Yakutia was built by Surgut oil workers ... everything is getting better. In 20 years we’ll build another one ... everything will be fine. The country is developing and it’s good.

        And how many airports have closed, which is tantamount to completely worthless, you know? Re-read the article again.
        And you joked about the pace of development, not otherwise ... Shame on you.
        1. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 29 March 2013 15: 26 New
          0
          Samsebenaume "And about the pace of development you joked, not otherwise .."
          I joked about everything ... seriously discussing something, we’ll come to the miscalculations of our beloved leadership.
          Samsebenaume "how many airports have closed, which is tantamount to total disrepair, you know?"
          I imagine that, because I knew many airports that are now closed.
          Your question should be redirected to our management. Apparently they believe that this is normal, that's all. Why didn’t I see a plan for the development of the aviation industry and the aerodrome network in Russia.
          1. sleepy
            sleepy 30 March 2013 00: 52 New
            0
            Aviation Doctrine of Russia.

            The doctrine is a response to the critical state of the Russian aviation activity and demoralization of the professional aviation community (for a detailed analysis of the situation in the aviation industry, see the last section of the Doctrine “Analysis of the situation in the Russian aviation sector at the beginning of 2012”).
            http://kroupnov.ru/aviadoktrina.html

            1. Nagaibak
              Nagaibak 30 March 2013 14: 13 New
              0
              sleepy "The Aviation Doctrine of Russia."
              This is visible to the fact that there are plans. Does the government relate to this plan?
    2. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 28 March 2013 19: 29 New
      0
      domokl "I used to fly hunting calmly, now the local airport is closed"
      Ek, you remembered ... Well, when the sworn commies were hehehe..We flew to Moscow to drink beer on weekends from Siberia. They lived badly, badly.
      Well, now everything is recovering for 20 years in Russia from scratch the airport in Yakutia was built by Surgut oil workers ... everything is getting better. In 20 years we’ll build another one ... everything will be fine. The country is developing and it’s good.
  8. k-yu
    k-yu 28 March 2013 19: 01 New
    0
    the first sample pd-14 was already assembled, in the summer it was driven at the stand, a year later they were going to tear it at another stand
  9. ramsi
    ramsi 28 March 2013 19: 28 New
    -7
    until Putin dies, nothing moves
    1. queen
      queen 28 March 2013 19: 59 New
      -1
      Quote: ramsi
      until Putin dies, nothing moves

      Do not forget, they pull him by the strings.
    2. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 50 New
      +5
      ramsi

      Harshly. However, there is something ...
      1. queen
        queen 28 March 2013 21: 01 New
        0
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Harshly. However, there is something to it.

    3. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 51 New
      +1
      ramsi

      Harshly. However, there is something ...
    4. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 55 New
      0
      ramsi

      Harshly. However, there is something ...
      1. queen
        queen 28 March 2013 21: 03 New
        +4
        Quote: Samsebenum
        Harshly. However, there is something to it.

        1. Papakiko
          Papakiko 28 March 2013 21: 20 New
          +2
          Apparently Litvinov will soon be seated in the ministerial chair.
          It painfully sharply "growls".
          Extreme examples: Igor Rurikovich Kholmanskikh,
          Sveta from Ivanova, Pavel Alekseevich Astakhov and so on.
  10. rapid1934
    rapid1934 28 March 2013 19: 31 New
    +8
    If you can’t achieve "maintaining the human potential in the aviation industry, as well as the professional level of employees"neither money nor any managers will help.
    Now, in the aviation industry, accountants and managers are in charge, and specialists are simply leaving because they are paid a penny. hi
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 28 March 2013 20: 26 New
      0
      ? The control department of the Presidential Administration of Russia said a weighty word: With the almost complete utilization of the allocated funds, the goals set by the Program have not been achieved. So can the accounting chamber and financial intelligence find out where the budget money went? Before allocating new funds? something "detuning", return my avatar hi )))
    2. Hemi cuda
      Hemi cuda 28 March 2013 21: 56 New
      +3
      It’s already running long, VASO is not clear, it seems it’s not dead at all, but it can’t be called living either, almost all kapets plants in the city.

      "Judging by the collapse that the last year has been deliberately spending, the plant’s future is sad. During this time, they managed to lose as many qualified personnel as they did in the 90s. And they succeed further - reducing engineering and engineering by 50% will lead to disaster!"
  11. 120352
    120352 28 March 2013 19: 42 New
    +7
    Superjet - not our plane. This is a screwdriver assembly of foreign components. The task of foreign partners at the launch of Sukhoi was to completely deprive the production of Russian aircraft of their independence. The fact that this did not work with the PAK FA is explained by the fact that this is a military production, where it is much more difficult for saboteurs to penetrate.
    It seems that we must return to the practice of the Stalinist "Sharazhek". There, at least money will be harder to steal. Yes, and they gave results.
    Russia was left without aviation and without a fleet, which means that if the matter is not fixed in the shortest possible time, Russia will not be at all!
  12. 120352
    120352 28 March 2013 19: 42 New
    +4
    Superjet - not our plane. This is a screwdriver assembly of foreign components. The task of foreign partners at the launch of Sukhoi was to completely deprive the production of Russian aircraft of their independence. The fact that this did not work with the PAK FA is explained by the fact that this is a military production, where it is much more difficult for saboteurs to penetrate.
    It seems that we must return to the practice of the Stalinist "Sharazhek". There, at least money will be harder to steal. Yes, and they gave results.
    Russia was left without aviation and without a fleet, which means that if the matter is not fixed in the shortest possible time, Russia will not be at all!
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 30 March 2013 00: 36 New
      0
      Superjet killing people and the aircraft industry.
      http://krupnov.livejournal.com/396070.html

  13. 120352
    120352 28 March 2013 19: 43 New
    +1
    Superjet - not our plane. This is a screwdriver assembly of foreign components. The task of foreign partners at the launch of Sukhoi was to completely deprive the production of Russian aircraft of their independence. The fact that this did not work with the PAK FA is explained by the fact that this is a military production, where it is much more difficult for saboteurs to penetrate.
    It seems that we must return to the practice of the Stalinist "Sharazhek". There, at least money will be harder to steal. Yes, and they gave results.
    Russia was left without aviation and without a fleet, which means that if the matter is not fixed in the shortest possible time, Russia will not be at all!
  14. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 19: 44 New
    -5
    And what about Putin?
    1. queen
      queen 28 March 2013 19: 51 New
      +5
      Quote: Genady1976
      And what about Putin?

      And where is he not here?
      1. WS
        WS 28 March 2013 20: 02 New
        -4
        After the disaster, the Yak-42 heard what Medvedev said to the whole world? It was a great shame. Thank God, Putin at least believes so far.
    2. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 46 New
      12
      Genady1976

      Quote: Genady1976
      And what about Putin?

      And really, where?
      His position is unenviable and very modest - therefore, what is the demand?
    3. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 46 New
      0
      Genady1976

      Quote: Genady1976
      And what about Putin?

      And really, where?
      His position is unenviable and very modest - therefore, what is the demand?
  15. niskifss
    niskifss 28 March 2013 19: 49 New
    0
    saboteurs must be sought in other places, and we will get to the times of minin and fire, I think we will have time to see all this.
  16. queen
    queen 28 March 2013 19: 49 New
    +4
    the patient is more likely dead than alive. (((((((((( recourse
  17. arnulla
    arnulla 28 March 2013 20: 12 New
    +4
    I want Stalin ... A year later, we would have watched reports on the readiness to launch a series of domestic aircraft. Well ess-developed earlier.
  18. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 14 New
    +6
    What do you want to say to the president, the prime minister and those who are rowing and steering with them now and are plotting the course?
    "And you, friends, no matter how you sit down, everyone is not good at musicians."

    Thanks to a separate author who directly pointed to the low solvency of most Russians and the sky-high prices for air transportation ...
    And failed programs and endless adjustments are already so commonplace that they do not surprise anyone.
    1. queen
      queen 28 March 2013 20: 42 New
      +3
      Quote: Samsebenum
      And failed programs and endless adjustments

      Under each program, a ministry is created, which is under the control of the ministry and is adjusted by the ministry of modernization .....
  19. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 28 March 2013 20: 21 New
    +3
    The Control Department of the Presidential Administration of Russia said a weighty word: With the almost complete utilization of the allocated funds, the goals set by the Program have not been achieved. So can the accounting chamber and the financial intelligence find out --- where did the budget money go? Before allocating new funds?
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 28 March 2013 20: 36 New
      +8
      Thunderbolt

      Quote: Thunderbolt
      The Control Department of the Presidential Administration of Russia said its weighty word:

      It would be good now to say my weighty word to the prosecutor’s office ...
      However, I started to dream ...
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 28 March 2013 21: 44 New
        +3
        Quote: Samsebenum
        However I dreamed

        What a bold flight of fancy you have, I couldn’t even think about it .... bully drinks
  20. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 20: 44 New
    +3
    Well, dreaming is not harmful.
  21. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 March 2013 20: 56 New
    +4
    The article, along with the display of true facts, is somewhat "black-handed".
    "Thus, the fuel consumption of the D-30 engine is almost two times greater than that of the main engine used on modern foreign ships."
    But, the specific consumption, "according to the ABC book" for D-30 is -0,7 kg * kgf / h, for CFM56-0,55.
    Less, of course, but not twice.
    There is no answer, who is to blame for this state of affairs in the aviation industry? Blame not even in the low tech. civil aircraft data. In modern cars, they are not so bad. Who is to blame for the fact that there are no more or less large series of Tu-214, Il-96-400, An-148, (well, the superjet is even more or less)
    How in the absence of a normal series can an affordable price arise, service is established, etc.?
    The devastation in the heads of the government, these bright heads would have been sent to clean the toilets, but they would bring ruin there and establish kickbacks.
  22. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 March 2013 20: 57 New
    +3
    The article, along with the display of true facts, is somewhat "black-handed".
    "Thus, the fuel consumption of the D-30 engine is almost two times greater than that of the main engine used on modern foreign ships."
    But, the specific consumption, "according to the ABC book" for D-30 is -0,7 kg * kgf / h, for CFM56-0,55.
    Less, of course, but not twice.
    There is no answer, who is to blame for this state of affairs in the aviation industry? Blame not even in the low tech. civil aircraft data. In modern cars, they are not so bad. Who is to blame for the fact that there are no more or less large series of Tu-214, Il-96-400, An-148, (well, the superjet is even more or less)
    How in the absence of a normal series can an affordable price arise, service is established, etc.?
    The devastation in the heads of the government, these bright heads would have been sent to clean the toilets, but they would bring ruin there and establish kickbacks.
  23. Volkhov
    Volkhov 28 March 2013 21: 07 New
    +2
    Well, in Latin America, the production of submarines for the transportation of agricultural products was established, if air defense and unnecessary state structures are destroyed, then production of aviation for the people will begin here ...
    1. NOBODY EXCEPT US
      NOBODY EXCEPT US 28 March 2013 21: 34 New
      +2
      And what? IL-76 is a good plane, large, noisy only, but its own, people get used to nothing, it’s better to go bad than to go well ....
  24. stranik72
    stranik72 28 March 2013 21: 30 New
    +2
    "Units of Mi-8 helicopters can generally be made only by prior request on a prepayment basis for a period of 2 to 3 years. This negatively affects the financial position of airlines, worsens the position of the Mi-8 helicopter in the highly competitive aviation market. ""
    Lodges, all contractual obligations are fulfilled on time, there is a problem with the number of produced swash plates and rotor bushings for the domestic civilian market. small airlines because of the reluctance of manufacturers to increase the volume of production, but today it is practically resolved. So, for reference, out of 1300 Mi-8 helicopters in the registry of the Civil Aviation Administration of the Russian Federation, only about 800 flies an average flight time of 300 hours per year, is the Mi-8 aerial work market not capacious and what for produce excess units?
  25. stranik72
    stranik72 28 March 2013 21: 30 New
    0
    "Units of Mi-8 helicopters can generally be made only by prior request on a prepayment basis for a period of 2 to 3 years. This negatively affects the financial position of airlines, worsens the position of the Mi-8 helicopter in the highly competitive aviation market. ""
    Lodges, all contractual obligations are fulfilled on time, there is a problem with the number of produced swash plates and rotor bushings for the domestic civilian market. small airlines because of the reluctance of manufacturers to increase the volume of production, but today it is practically resolved. So, for reference, out of 1300 Mi-8 helicopters in the registry of the Civil Aviation Administration of the Russian Federation, only about 800 flies an average flight time of 300 hours per year, is the Mi-8 aerial work market not capacious and what for produce excess units?
  26. stranik72
    stranik72 28 March 2013 21: 33 New
    0
    "Units of Mi-8 helicopters can generally be made only by prior request on a prepayment basis for a period of 2 to 3 years. This negatively affects the financial position of airlines, worsens the position of the Mi-8 helicopter in the highly competitive aviation market. ""
    Lodges, all contractual obligations are fulfilled on time, there is a problem with the number of produced swash plates and rotor bushings for the domestic civilian market. small airlines because of the reluctance of manufacturers to increase the volume of production, but today it is practically resolved. So, for reference, out of 1300 Mi-8 helicopters in the registry of the Civil Aviation Administration of the Russian Federation, only about 800 flies an average flight time of 300 hours per year, is the Mi-8 aerial work market not capacious and what for produce excess units?
  27. Simple
    Simple 28 March 2013 21: 45 New
    +1
    I read the article, yes, sadly.
    It seems that the cause is systemic - a wormhole (from the "nineties"?), Which reduces all good intentions to nothing.
    Gave a link a couple of days ago.
    I'll post it again, maybe someone will be interested.
    http://www.mashportal.ru/machinery_russia-23660.aspx
  28. Simple
    Simple 28 March 2013 21: 46 New
    0
    I read the article, yes, sadly.
    It seems that the cause is systemic - a wormhole (from the "nineties"?), Which reduces all good intentions to nothing.
    Gave a link a couple of days ago.
    I'll post it again, maybe someone will be interested.
    http://www.mashportal.ru/machinery_russia-23660.aspx
  29. arnulla
    arnulla 28 March 2013 21: 47 New
    +3
    Aviprom can and can only raise the state. Too financially and technologically intensive industry. Hence there must be hard-willed decisions. And nothing else. And along the way, you can and should raise businessmen. But the state should play the leading role (at first).
  30. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 21: 56 New
    -1
    They hanged a snot about me.
  31. ed65b
    ed65b 28 March 2013 22: 25 New
    +3
    I still don’t understand where the money is ??????
    1. Genady1976
      Genady1976 28 March 2013 22: 28 New
      +5
      Money on the island of Cyprus
  32. ed65b
    ed65b 28 March 2013 22: 25 New
    0
    I still don’t understand where the money is ??????
  33. ed65b
    ed65b 28 March 2013 22: 25 New
    0
    I still don’t understand where the money is ??????
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 28 March 2013 22: 46 New
      +3
      Quote: ed65b
      I still don’t understand where the money is.

      Where? Where? - in Karaganda. There is another rhyme, but it is unprintable.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 28 March 2013 22: 46 New
      +1
      Quote: ed65b
      I still don’t understand where the money is.

      Where? Where? - in Karaganda. There is another rhyme, but it is unprintable.
  34. Genady1976
    Genady1976 28 March 2013 23: 08 New
    0
    Damn one more.
  35. not good
    not good 28 March 2013 23: 08 New
    +3
    Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, please take a look at your instructions, it seems that your comrades-in-arms do not inform them further than the latrine.
  36. Makarov
    Makarov 28 March 2013 23: 32 New
    +2
    They used to steal millions, now they steal billions ... we are growing .... 6 billion euros is sure that the development of the industry is quite adequate with the correct distribution and targeted use of funds ....
  37. Makarov
    Makarov 28 March 2013 23: 32 New
    0
    They used to steal millions, now they steal billions ... we are growing .... 6 billion euros is sure that the development of the industry is quite adequate with the correct distribution and targeted use of funds ....
  38. Makarov
    Makarov 28 March 2013 23: 32 New
    0
    They used to steal millions, now they steal billions ... we are growing .... 6 billion euros is sure that the development of the industry is quite adequate with the correct distribution and targeted use of funds ....
  39. Makarov
    Makarov 28 March 2013 23: 33 New
    0
    They used to steal millions, now they steal billions ... we are growing .... 6 billion euros is sure that the development of the industry is quite adequate with the correct distribution and targeted use of funds ....
  40. imperiolist
    imperiolist 29 March 2013 02: 12 New
    0
    forbid to buy planes over the hill and that's it
  41. imperiolist
    imperiolist 29 March 2013 02: 12 New
    +2
    forbid to buy planes over the hill and that's it
    1. queen
      queen 29 March 2013 07: 59 New
      +1
      Quote: imperiolist
      forbid to buy planes over the hill and that's it

      48 + s ..... but ...... flights outside of Russia? Development and certification will take a lot of time request
  42. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 29 March 2013 05: 00 New
    +7
    There is simply no civil aviation industry in the country, it has already been destroyed and for a long time. So the article is too late, this is the first. The second one, judging by how our government works, will not give a damn about the aircraft industry in Russia or not.
    1. sleepy
      sleepy 30 March 2013 01: 12 New
      0
      Quote: vladsolo56
      "There is simply no civil aviation industry in the country, it has already been destroyed and for a long time. So the article is too late ..."


      Previously, there were no such articles, and those who were worried about aviation were called alarmists and amateurs.
  43. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 29 March 2013 05: 01 New
    0
    There is simply no civil aviation industry in the country, it has already been destroyed and for a long time. So the article is too late, this is the first. The second one, judging by how our government works, will not give a damn about the aircraft industry in Russia or not.
  44. svp67
    svp67 29 March 2013 08: 23 New
    0
    Well, well, the problems and reasons are named, it remains to find another Shoigu, that would move the matter ...
  45. Avenger711
    Avenger711 29 March 2013 08: 24 New
    -1
    Another garbage ravings. If no one even planned to order any rot like the Tu-334, then why the hell wasting time and developing production? Tu-204 was 10 years late even when it appeared.

    What should have died, then died. It would be necessary to cover the An-148, because there is one SSJ, and let ukry whatever they want, then they do it with their own little bastard, which, unlike SSJ, no one will buy in the world, since there are no certificates.

    Everything was ruined even under EBNe, and before that, 20-30 years rotted like the auto industry, and you should not think that in the world it’s just that we will be allowed to occupy the market, so make claims to the authorities that they are doing what they can, and not just dreaming, just stupid.
    1. Hort
      Hort 29 March 2013 08: 35 New
      0
      And what, are we building Superjets in hundreds to cover the An-148?
      And by the way, the An-148 is quite a normal aircraft in its class
    2. Hort
      Hort 29 March 2013 08: 36 New
      +2
      And what, are we building Superjets in hundreds to cover the An-148?
      And by the way, the An-148 is quite a normal aircraft in its class
  46. Avenger711
    Avenger711 29 March 2013 08: 24 New
    0
    Another garbage ravings. If no one even planned to order any rot like the Tu-334, then why the hell wasting time and developing production? Tu-204 was 10 years late even when it appeared.

    What should have died, then died. It would be necessary to cover the An-148, because there is one SSJ, and let ukry whatever they want, then they do it with their own little bastard, which, unlike SSJ, no one will buy in the world, since there are no certificates.

    Everything was ruined even under EBNe, and before that, 20-30 years rotted like the auto industry, and you should not think that in the world it’s just that we will be allowed to occupy the market, so make claims to the authorities that they are doing what they can, and not just dreaming, just stupid.
  47. Avenger711
    Avenger711 29 March 2013 08: 25 New
    0
    Another garbage ravings. If no one even planned to order any rot like the Tu-334, then why the hell wasting time and developing production? Tu-204 was 10 years late even when it appeared.

    What should have died, then died. It would be necessary to cover the An-148, because there is one SSJ, and let ukry whatever they want, then they do it with their own little bastard, which, unlike SSJ, no one will buy in the world, since there are no certificates.

    Everything was ruined even under EBNe, and before that, 20-30 years rotted like the auto industry, and you should not think that in the world it’s just that we will be allowed to occupy the market, so make claims to the authorities that they are doing what they can, and not just dreaming, just stupid.
  48. Hort
    Hort 29 March 2013 08: 28 New
    0
    The civil aviation industry development program has been adopted, God forbid, to be implemented normally. Not everything is so bad, i.e. certainly bad (in the part of the citizen), but there is still hope that we will restore.
  49. Hort
    Hort 29 March 2013 08: 28 New
    0
    The civil aviation industry development program has been adopted, God forbid, to be implemented normally. Not everything is so bad, i.e. certainly bad (in the part of the citizen), but there is still hope that we will restore.
  50. sanyabasik
    sanyabasik 29 March 2013 08: 56 New
    +4
    Native American BY Yesterday, 20:17
    Pogosyan normal dude, did a lot of good.

    This is what scares us everywhere. dudes - in the government, the State Duma, at the head of corporations, and they attach their children ..
    We should put decent and honest people there, professionals, but this, as it seems to me, is already a question for the main dude..