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Second Chechen snipers

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In the area of ​​Hippodromnaya street a sniper worked. And the sniper, as they say, from God. Beat confident meters from five hundred and six hundred. The distance for sniper shooting rather big. The sniper was guarded by a group of five fighters who had a Volga car at their disposal. The sniper worked, as a rule, from dilapidated houses. He left the guards downstairs, and he went upstairs and dug. During the shooting with him there was no one.


OPPONENTS

Of course, they hunted him too. In the 243 regiment, two snipers from among the contractors tried to calculate it. But it is abundantly clear that the level of training of the insurgent and these simple men who decided to earn extra money in the war was incomparable. Their positions were on the second floor of an industrial building. The windows of the room they laid slag blocks. The guns of their rifles protruded from the loopholes for half a meter.

“Spirits” appeared on their “Volga”. Most likely she served as bait for our guys, to which they immediately pecked, opening rapid fire from rifles at the car. Since the Volga was about six hundred meters, it was not included.

At this time, a special intelligence officer arrived at the position, who tried to rationalize "free shooters." He explained to them very well that they should not take a position at the loopholes in the windows. It is best to sit in the back of the room, put a table and chair, and even better - a chair. Convenience in this situation is worth a lot. Long squatting is very tiring. Sector shooting should be small. After a half to two hours, you can shift to the side, changing the sector of observation and shooting. This method allows you to provide stealth observation and shooting. The sound of the shot made inside the room is extinguished and the outside is heard weakly or not heard at all. Scout very popularly explained why snipers act in pairs. The point here is not that they should not be bored, and not to increase the density of sniper fire. Acting in a pair, only one of the snipers is firing, the second is watching the enemy and corrects his fire. After all, it is difficult at the same time to shoot and watch those who are firing at you.

"POOLS"

The lesson on the elimination of sniper ignorance was barely completed, and the teacher left the house, as indiscriminate shooting rang out first, and then two shots from the enemy sounded clearly. It is difficult to say which rifle the “spiritual” sniper fired from, but two shots separated no more than two or three seconds. After a few moments, both "William Tell's heirs" stood at the bottom with frightened faces, completely covered with coal dust. From the confused stories of these “losers” it became clear that they, after conscientiously listening to the lesson, immediately ignored it. The same Volga, again teasing them, drove in the opposite direction. The infantry opened fire on it. Together with all two or three shots fired and snipers. And then, in response, the same two shots of the "spirit" were heard. Our “losers” were saved only by the fact that, shooting from different windows, they, having finished shooting, turned their heads towards each other, wanting to share their impressions. Two bullet marks remained in the wall behind their backs. Laughing at careless students, the special forces gave them a couple more practical advice. First - do not wash. A face covered with coal dust blends better with the window background. The second - going upstairs, try to compare the direction of the flight of two bullets and calculate the position of the sniper. Although a professional of this level probably already left her.

BULLY FLYING

The second meeting of the special forces officer with these contract soldiers was tragic. No sooner had he reached the house, where, three days later, were the snipers still in position, as a shot rang out. Judging by the sound, they shot from weapons large caliber. And then he heard shouts: “Wounded! Rather, customize the BTR! ”Soon the wounded was carried out. He was the eldest of the snipers. They began to provide first aid, injected two syringe-tubes of promedol. Then a bloody piece of a length of 5-6 centimeters fell out from under the sweater's sweater. A bullet landed a sniper in the region of the liver, and black blood flowed from the ripped wound. It became clear that the guy is not a tenant. Nevertheless, the wounded man was reassured, bandaged and, plunging into an armored troop-carrier, sent to the medical center. After some time, they found a crumpled bullet that pierced the guy through. It turned out to be a 14,5 caliber bullet from KPVT, but ... without traces of rifling.

Most likely the shot was made from some self-propelled gun. The barrel for him, apparently, served as a pipe of suitable diameter. Since the position of the snipers did not change, the "spirits" decided to put such a unit to hunt them. This is confirmed by the nature of the injury. A bullet fired from a rifled barrel would not have made such a ragged wound. She could be caused only by a bullet flying randomly. They were shooting, apparently, from the nearest nine-story building. For a bullet cartridge from KPVT, even flying somersaults, five hundred meters is a normal distance ... As the surviving sniper told, the elder decided to go for water. As soon as he ran, a shot rang out. The position of snipers has long been under the gun. Apparently, the pros did not get dirty. He decided that there would be enough self-defense for them, which any fighter could push the descent of ...

ACTION BORN COUNTERACTION

Unlike the first Chechen one, when sniper groups of insurgents terrorized the feds, in the second war they were already opposed by well-trained snipers of the Russian troops. Where did they come from? Firstly, the FSB special forces snipers worked very effectively. The professionalism of the “alfovtsev” and “vampelovets” so exceeded the training level of the militants' snipers, that it even played a bad joke once with the sniper from the “A” management. The advantage in sniper duels was indisputable, and the guys relaxed. As the hero told later stories, he from one position made seven or eight shots. He himself knew perfectly well what a gross mistake he had made. But this is after the fight. And then I just got carried away and was too lazy to change the position. Later it turned out that, having lost several snipers, the militants asked to work on the positions of the one who trained them snipers. He was not slow to take advantage of such a misstep of a seasoned sniper. "Ashnik" was still alive, but he had gray hair.

Solnechnogorsk CENTER

At the end of the first Chechen, our military leadership concluded that the sniper war was lost. For about half a century, the Russian Armed Forces did not have training units for snipers, as a result of which their tactical experience was lost. The troops have no weapons that meet modern requirements, nor equipment for a military sniper.

In September 1999, a school for training snipers was established in Solnechnogorsk. For its acquisition by the directive of the commander-in-chief of the ground forces from the districts, the officers most trained in questions of sniping, as well as those involved in shooting, biathlon and hunting, should have been sent to the schools.

Initially, the troops, as usual, simply "unsubscribed." And who with a light heart will give a good officer? But later, worthy candidates were selected who received six-month training and, after graduating from the Solnogorsk training company, snipers received special diplomas allowing them to work as instructors. At the same time, training companies for training snipers were also established in the Moscow, Volga and North Caucasian military districts. All of them work according to the programs worked out in Solechnogorsk. The term of preparation is six months.

Today, the Solnogorsk training company is engaged in the compilation of experience, the improvement of tactics of application and other issues of the development of sniping. In addition to training instructors for other schools, in Solnechnogorsk, there are combat training programs for snipers for various military units, develop tactics for using snipers and sniper groups in various types of combat and in various terrain, determine the needs for sniper weapons and equipment.

Continuing to train snipers, the school dispatches its cadets for combat training to Chechnya. It was here that I was lucky to meet them.

Soldiers and sergeants of military service serve in the company. To get into the unit, you need to pass a very serious selection. Despite their youth, these guys are very professional in doing their job. As they themselves said, they were “prepared for fixed liquidation and actions as part of a pair or a pair of pairs”. Performing such tasks, in addition to excellent shooting, requires confident skills in topography, a clear interaction in a pair, as well as a fairly high independence. Snipers are also trained in the mine-blasting case so that they can confidently use the cost center in carrying out the task and in securing a departure from the position. Each sniper is able to use means of communication, as well as devices for monitoring and determining the range. To determine the range of a group of snipers, there is one decision maker. This, of course, is not enough. Range finder needed in every pair. There are night sights and surveillance devices.

Army snipers are armed with 7,62-mm rifles SVD and 12,7-mm B-94 "Burglar". This weapon, of course, can not be compared with the SM and AW Cooper, who are armed with "Ashniki" and "vashniki." Most often used costumes handicraft. Everyone sews himself. NATO grimaces. In winter, the guys wear hats, masks and gloves.

For communication, use a radio station with a closed channel. When performing an individual task, each pair is radioed. When organizing interaction in a pair or group, snipers most often use sign language, and on air use the established tone signals. Leaving for the task, snipers often work with artillery or infantry. In this case, they use the radio stations of those with whom they interact.

I could see for myself in the competent actions of the cadets personally. Looking at these young guys, I involuntarily recalled the 1999 special forces sniper competitions of the year, during which most of the participants (mostly officers and ensigns) showed rather low tactical skills. Compared to them, there were real pros in front of me.

In war, the Suns from the early days. Often, their work consisted in entering a firing position, destroying one or another militant leader and covertly retreating to the assembly point. Often acted as part of intelligence units. But, citing the secrecy of such actions, they refused to talk more about this.

Although something the guys still told.

Sasha Bolshoi: “Our first business trip took place in early November. The fourth we were thrown under Bamut. Here we were given to army units for support. Worked on the front end. A sniper woman worked against us. Calculated it for a long time. And one day, when she changed position, I got her. The distance to it was almost a kilometer. SVD at such a distance is ineffective, but for my B-94 just right. Replacing the position, the sniper hid behind a tree, but in the thirteen-fold sight I clearly saw her croup, protruding from behind the trunk. He took the first shot. ”

Sasha Small: “On November 30, three pairs left for the position under Bamut. Operated with infantry scouts. Out for the leading edge. The scouts drove us to the line where we held positions, while they themselves went further on reconnaissance. But they did not get into Bamut itself, they worked on the outskirts. Then they returned, and we stayed for a day or two. Led observation. There was almost no movement during the day. At night, the "spirits" acted more actively. Their scouts crawled to the positions of the infantry, but we had no right to disclose ourselves. In the twilight we went to the outskirts of Bamut and shot militants outside the mosque. Also worked against sniper groups. Their snipers, as a rule, acted under the guise of four or five people. As soon as at least one wounded man appeared in this group, they applied, apparently, a long-established tactic. All the survivors opened up intense fire, then grabbed the dead or wounded and quickly retreated without engaging in battle. They spent everything in seconds. ”

LOSSES AND NEW TASKS

Not without loss. During the reconnaissance under mortar shelling killed the company commander, one lieutenant and Hero of Russia, Colonel Kasyanov, who taught intelligence training.

Then the snipers were transferred under Alkhan-Kala. Soon they returned to Moscow, but the rest was short. Two weeks later they were thrown under the Terrible, divided into two groups.

Dan: “In January, a couple worked in the Zavodskoy district of Grozny, opposite the stadium.

It got dark. On the way to the position was located the old caponier from the BMP. Suddenly I look - Max is gone. I got accustomed, and he was already waving and whispering to me from caponier: “Get down!”. I turned on the "night light" and began to observe. I see five Arabs in bandages. Max has brought. He managed to fill one. The rest immediately began to beat out of everything. The killed person was captured and instantly dissolved in the dark. The most interesting thing is that they left along the path in “Zelenka”, where everything was mined with stretch marks. In the morning, no stretch marks were found. How they remove them in the dark is incomprehensible.

Once worked in Chernoreche, in the area of ​​marks 398 and 264. It was possible to take prisoners of Chechens. They talked about how the Arabs manage to make all sorts of weapons from improvised means. They also had grenade launchers made from ordinary pipe mounted on a tripod. Shot from RPG-7. ”

Sasha Small: “We are working in this city trip, although this is not our profile. But this experience is also needed. The intensity of the fighting outputs is quite high. Almost every day someone takes off with special forces, which works as airborne assault groups, we go to ambush. At present, there is no need to talk about the fight against enemy snipers, since they simply do not exist. There was one group of four youths armed with SVD and machine guns. But they acted very primitively, each time performing the same maneuver. Against them, we simply worked as observers, and in the end, we covered the group with a concentrated fire from grenade launchers. ”

VERDICT

Summing up, it is possible to note with satisfaction the clear progress in the development of military sniping in Russia. Of course, there are many issues that have yet to be resolved. This and the provision of high-quality equipment, and re-equipment of snipers, and equipment with necessary equipment. But the main thing - there are people who have created a school in the broad sense of the word. The experience of the Great Patriotic War, Afgan and Chechnya was used. The tactics of snipers have been worked out. The staff structure of motorized rifle subunits has been changed. For example, in the 42 Motorized Rifle Division, a full-time sniper squad was established in each company. Now it is important to make everyone aware that snipers are highly qualified fighters. The presence of jewelry tools in the hands of man does not mean that he can make a masterpiece. It is necessary to teach the commanders of the motorized rifle units the proper use of snipers on the battlefield. There is still a lot of work in this direction, but the road will be mastered.
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  1. Predator-74
    Predator-74 27 March 2013 08: 47 New
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    The presence of snipers makes the units an order of magnitude more dangerous and more efficient and this is a fact.
    1. nakaz
      nakaz 27 March 2013 17: 17 New
      +5
      The presence of tactical nuclear weapons makes the units an order of magnitude more effective and dangerous. And that is a fact.
  2. Denis_SF
    Denis_SF 27 March 2013 08: 50 New
    +5
    The article is good, guys are generally handsome, that's how much patience and endurance are needed. To the fallen - Glory and eternal memory! And I’ll clarify the B-94 is the Volga, and the Burglar is like the OSV-96.
  3. Letun
    Letun 27 March 2013 08: 54 New
    +3
    Article plus. But Russia has always held onto such warriors. It is gratifying that they are still there!
    1. don.kryyuger
      don.kryyuger 27 March 2013 14: 06 New
      +2
      : But why study during the war, and not before?
      1. skeptic
        skeptic 27 March 2013 15: 59 New
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        Quote: don.kryyuger
        : But why study during the war, and not before?


        The main reason is a headache for superiors, with specialists in this field, in peacetime. Only the war brings to the leadership non-covert officers who create (as always again from scratch) really combat-ready specialists. Snipers can be compared, (historically) with three hundred Spartans, who were able to detain hundreds of times more troops than they ensured, in the future the victory of the Greeks over the Persians. This is a field elite, the value and potential of which has not yet been fully disclosed. But the road is really overpowered, just walking.
      2. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 27 March 2013 19: 39 New
        +1
        we had a good school in Pyatigorsk. trained special forces snipers mvd. excellent location. good shooting range. literate teachers. mountain training and so on.
    2. evgenich777
      evgenich777 27 March 2013 21: 19 New
      +1
      Our wars with spirit !!! and then with skill! Then it’s joy! Glory to the wars of Russia !!!
  4. serezhasoldatow
    serezhasoldatow 27 March 2013 08: 58 New
    +5
    Serious guys, real fighters. Such make up the pride of our troops. And the fact that such attention was not paid to snipers, so we and the field kitchens have a sample of 1948.
    1. Vrungel78
      Vrungel78 27 March 2013 09: 54 New
      +3
      The main thing is that we have more people of the 1948 model
  5. andrey903
    andrey903 27 March 2013 09: 01 New
    -2
    Good storyteller, not at all up to date
  6. JonnyT
    JonnyT 27 March 2013 09: 07 New
    +1
    Good article!
    Only here is the question: Caught the bastard who shot the contractor with a bullet from the KPVT?
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 27 March 2013 10: 20 New
      +8
      You can’t adapt any pipe under the cartridge of KPVT, it will break. Without rifling, the spread over 500 meters will be several meters. There are no injuries from CPVT. Alpha did not go to Chechnya and does not go, sometimes Pennant, but rarely
      1. bootlegger
        bootlegger 27 March 2013 12: 17 New
        +1
        That's for sure. Spread from a normal trunk with rifling at 500 meters, be healthy.

        Indicators of dispersion of bullets when firing from a normalized PTRD:

        Firing range, m Core strips in height, cm Core strips in width, cm
        100 m 21cm
        200 m 42cm 36cm
        300 m 63cm 55cm
        400 m 84cm 73cm
        500 m 105cm 92cm
        Where the core band is the dispersion band containing 70% of hits.
      2. Egor.nic
        Egor.nic 27 March 2013 12: 58 New
        +1
        You are wrong andrey909!
        It is not worth commenting on what is not known and what is not experienced!
        1. andrey903
          andrey903 27 March 2013 16: 09 New
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          Experience has served in the SOBR, though a machine gunner. ; business trips, New Year’s assault, Budenovsk, Pervomaiskoe
      3. karbofos
        karbofos 27 March 2013 14: 47 New
        +1
        How do you know where Alpha travels?
        1. andrey903
          andrey903 27 March 2013 16: 12 New
          -1
          In reality, not many units are fighting, Chechnya is small and everyone knows everything, and even they know each other, they are friends regardless of affiliation
  7. omsbon
    omsbon 27 March 2013 09: 10 New
    +2
    Honor and great respect to the guys for their hard work!
  8. erased
    erased 27 March 2013 09: 11 New
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    I look, they began reprinting old articles by S. Kozlov. Interesting stuff. Is there anything new about training snipers, about their weapons?
  9. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 27 March 2013 09: 47 New
    +2
    “Most likely the shot was fired from some kind of gunshot. Most likely, the barrel for him was a pipe of a suitable diameter. Since the snipers did not change their positions, the“ spirits ”decided to put such an assembly for hunting them. This is confirmed by the nature of the wound. Bullet fired from a rifled barrel would not have made such a lacerated wound. It could have been caused only by a bullet flying randomly. It was apparently shot from the nearest nine-story building. For a bullet from a KPVT, even flying somersault, five hundred meters is the normal distance ... "

    belay Did this correspondent write? A bullet flying from a pipe somersault 500m and hitting the target is something new. I heard about self-made sniper rifles from barrels from KPVT, but about the pipe as a barrel? A 14,5mm bullet will fly without any tumbling, mom do not grieve.
    1. rubber_duck
      rubber_duck 27 March 2013 13: 41 New
      +4
      Yes, this is bullshit. Firstly, the kilometer is normal, but how did this bullet fly so accurately at the target? By the way, if she had somersaulted in flight, there would be no need to bandage and soothe the “sniper” from the article. Unless to collect in one bag. Secondly, does anyone know a nomenclature pipe with an inner diameter of 14,5 that can withstand pressure when fired? By the way, did the chamber Chests welded the chamber to that pipe? Well this is not 9x18 ... Again, "army tales" in the retelling journalists.
    2. DDR
      DDR 27 March 2013 21: 31 New
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      A 14,5mm bullet will fly without any tumbling, mom do not grieve.

      That's for sure! 14,5mm will make such a hole that you can’t "seal it" already.
  10. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 March 2013 09: 48 New
    +4
    A sniper in a war is a terrible force, it is a terrible one, because when he kills someone whom it is impossible to see, it is always scary.
  11. Zerstorer
    Zerstorer 27 March 2013 10: 26 New
    0
    And what do you say to this:

    Of course, it will not replace a sniper, but it can help in guarding objects. Yes, and against snipers come in handy.
  12. leonardo_1971
    leonardo_1971 27 March 2013 10: 33 New
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    I was a SOBR sniper. I worked in Chechnya with the SVD. in the city I used a VS. there was still a good rifle of SV 98. but there was no good optics. Belarus was standing. After 10-50 shots she fell a net. I read about a smooth barrel. Funny. 500 meters STP will be two meters. They also did the form themselves. I had a Chinese night lamp. When a mine was detonated 50 meters from the flash, it burned out .. and one of our soldiers is our motto.
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 27 March 2013 12: 52 New
      +2
      Quote: leonardo_1971
      and one warrior in the field is our motto.

      Good motto. Thank you and your colleagues for your hard and dangerous work.
    2. evgen2124
      evgen2124 27 March 2013 14: 37 New
      +4
      Yes, we also set up our optics on SV-98 mainly to meopt (Czech Republic)! and my night light is also Chinese but it keeps the backlight! and I don’t like to work one turns defective!
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 27 March 2013 19: 29 New
        0
        I shot from SV-98 with Lupold optics. Muscovites gave it a try. I liked it very much. 15 variable multiplicity. Meldot. Antiparalax. But the price is 50 thousand rubles.
        1. evgen2124
          evgen2124 27 March 2013 20: 52 New
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          I do not have a meopt, too, Mildot, but the multiplicity of 4-12! in principle, up to 800 m is enough for the eyes! and the Muscovite wasn’t called Sasha by accident?
          1. leonardo_1971
            leonardo_1971 28 March 2013 10: 15 New
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            Misha. Moscow SOBR, in 2008 were with him in Pyatigorsk on advanced training.
  13. andrey903
    andrey903 27 March 2013 12: 48 New
    +2
    It’s good to fight against a sniper with the help of a tank, I agreed, we arrived pulnuli somewhere around the house
    1. strannik595
      strannik595 27 March 2013 15: 07 New
      +7
      or with attack aircraft .................. hop ... and not at home ............. but you can still agree with the Strategic Missile Forces, in general enchanting spectacle will
  14. Krilion
    Krilion 27 March 2013 15: 29 New
    0
    For about half a century, the Russian Armed Forces did not have training units for snipers, as a result of which the experience of their tactical use was lost. The troops have neither weapons that meet modern requirements, nor equipment for a military sniper.


    I understand that all this time, the ministers of defense and chiefs of the general staff were idiots?
  15. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 27 March 2013 15: 38 New
    0
    Quote: don.kryyuger
    : But why study during the war, and not before?

    This is not a question of soldiers, but of commanders in gene headquarters and politicians!
  16. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 27 March 2013 15: 40 New
    +1
    Quote: Vrungel78
    The main thing is that we have more people of the 1948 model

    Yesterday they wrote that they seemed to want to return the TRP, and if the Voroshilov Riflemen were returned, then half-worn snipers would have already fallen into the army!
  17. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 27 March 2013 15: 44 New
    0
    Quote: kalbofos
    How do you know where Alpha travels?

    That’s for sure, sometimes we know where the FSB and GRU of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation travel only after many years, and sometimes we don’t even know !!! hi
    1. andrey903
      andrey903 27 March 2013 16: 15 New
      -1
      GRU are fighting constantly in the mountains to acclimatize, and the FSB come as a guard of generals, to the hell in Mozdok
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 27 March 2013 19: 52 New
        0
        FSB officers are not only involved in and are engaged in security. For example, in Komsomolskoye their sniper pairs worked.
      2. evgenich777
        evgenich777 27 March 2013 21: 25 New
        0
        Cossack guys, Cossacks need to be raised !!! And high with them !!! Mountain!
  18. Prapor Afonya
    Prapor Afonya 27 March 2013 15: 47 New
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    Quote: eugen2124
    Yes, we also set up our optics on SV-98 mainly to meopt (Czech Republic)! and my night light is also Chinese but it keeps the backlight! and I don’t like to work one turns defective!

    Here you are cool people, and they will give PSO to the conscript and he will spin with him as he wants belay
    1. MAG
      MAG 27 March 2013 17: 44 New
      0
      And we were spinning in our company, 2 unique ones from SVD to VOG from 200 meters we got into an argument over eating and stuffed animals did with backlight like smokes in general there is nothing but they did
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 27 March 2013 19: 20 New
        +1
        I in Pyatigorsk in a school of snipers for a dispute shot for accuracy from a SVD comrade with SV-98. They shot at 100 rubles in 5 meters. I hit 3 times and it was 2 times. It was a very good barrel. The best in the detachment. The optics was the usual PSO -1. I don’t boast. I am responsible for my words.
        1. MAG
          MAG 27 March 2013 19: 41 New
          0
          so they shot too, but with a vogue, our 15th detachment and Russia lost the dispute more effectively
    2. evgen2124
      evgen2124 27 March 2013 20: 53 New
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      I generally started with svu!
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 28 March 2013 10: 26 New
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        I shot with IEDs. I didn’t like it. The accuracy is not very good. The dispersion is large like that of an SVD with LPS cartridges. And the butt is not convenient. We had several trunks in each sniper squad. I have SVD, SV-98. SV-99. AS-VAL with optics from VSK-94. Took what is needed to complete the work. I took SVD.AC.APS to the Czech Republic,
  19. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 27 March 2013 16: 24 New
    +1
    It is interesting whether a thermal imager can detect the trajectory of a sniper bullet in order to determine the place of its shelter. In fact, after all, the bullet should be hot, which means that its trajectory seems to leave a mark on the thermal imager
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 27 March 2013 16: 32 New
      0
      - In Yugoslavia, the amers used an anti-sniper system that located the shooter using spaced acoustic sensors ...
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 27 March 2013 19: 24 New
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        and if you work SV-98 with a silencer! or BCC, VSK-94!
        1. evgen2124
          evgen2124 27 March 2013 19: 28 New
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          not a fact that will help! Amers boasted that their system catches even the sound of shutter release and operation!
          1. MAG
            MAG 27 March 2013 19: 45 New
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            I apologize of course, but a sniper can and should at least 2 false imitate a shot if he knows that they work against him like that! and let the antisniper try to guess from 1 km where the false target is and where is the real one, and despite the fact that he fired, he immediately left
    2. evgen2124
      evgen2124 27 March 2013 19: 10 New
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      no, he can not! pixels do not have time to work!
    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 March 2013 19: 57 New
      +1
      Can. But technically difficult. Big computing power needed.

      At the moment, two systems are working: by sound, the NATovskys are passionate about it and the laser locator, which searches for optics. Such devices are in Russia and in France. The French have a hospital, which is still in service and used, we have more options, from hospitals to wearables, and the devices have more options, but they are not in the troops.
      1. MAG
        MAG 27 March 2013 20: 16 New
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        I read your comments and see that you are in the subject wink I would like to ask how to hide from the thermal imager when moving at least 600-800 meters to the line! Czechs like a greenhouse film hid them and gave the nickname teletubbies but there were old thermal imagers
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 27 March 2013 20: 42 New
          +1
          A greenhouse film is unlikely to help much. Especially with a good thermal imager and a trained operator, thermal spots still need to be identified. It is necessary to advance at the beginning of the night, while the earth is warm, using stones and similar shelters, they themselves are heated for a day. And do not rush, so as not to heat up yourself. In short, do so in order to minimize the temperature difference between your clothes and surface. Hide your face under a mask, hands in gloves.

          In general, the Research Institute of Steel has IMC, an individual camouflage kit to reduce visibility.
          http://www.arms-expo.ru/049054051054124049048051049049.html
          1. viktor_ui
            viktor_ui 28 March 2013 05: 33 New
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            The level of sensitivity of the matrices of the last (and even not quite the last) thermal imagers will not allow you to “DISSOLVE” in the current landscape and flora using all sorts of bells and whistles in the style of ala-cape with all its thermal layers ... the maximum you can count on is to achieve relatively not completely merging with the background with FULL DETAILS of a hesitant ... but as soon as you deign to start moving, thermal disturbances will begin all over your circuit and you will light up in the same matrix instantly ... do not believe, but you are sighted. And all sorts of sayings on the theme of wonderful polyethylene, a full-height mattress on the back, and so on. suggests only two assumptions: they either used antediluvian thermal imagers or people simply don’t know how to use them CORRECTLY and by doing this they stupidly substitute their colleagues. Once again, the Americans on combat turntables already have thermal imagers with matrices for a range of 100 km drinks
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 28 March 2013 11: 14 New
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              Have you ever seen a sniper occupy a position for shooting in a field? I saw a couple of 100 meters crawl for almost an hour.

              Sensitivity is cool. But you still need to be able to interpret the image, there are no means for unambiguous electronic identification of targets in service yet. But man is not perfect. I do not think that a helicopter operator will be able to carefully study the battlefield in the face of military air defense and the presence of many heat-contrasting targets.

              In a situation of a confrontation between a sniper and a thermal imager, spherical in a vacuum, the victory is, of course, the latter. But the reality is not so simple.
              1. viktor_ui
                viktor_ui 28 March 2013 14: 11 New
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                Mr. Lopatov or comrade wassat I specifically, in slow motion, looked at the beginning of the movement of a bipedal object camouflaged in a thermal cape behind a stone ... in a static position, 50% of the head was visible vertically and a very small part of the sternum ... well, sir, the change in the surface thermophone of the cape at the game level folds were noted almost at the very beginning of the movement and the target became active for the application of force ... the capabilities of the thermal imager were checked in the forest and in the absence of moonlight good Technology steers and, God forbid, our wars have enough of these devices for personal use for the good of our country (like a dream at this stage)
                Regarding military air defense with the closure of any sector in our country ... I will sigh and will not answer anything. Believe that the operator of the turntable will certainly be able to distinguish our carcasses from the four-legged gatherings and, indeed, in the detailed viewing and time for thoughtfulness he definitely will not need much, because a priori he will be a pro smile
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 28 March 2013 14: 30 New
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                  Let's talk about observation conditions.
                  First: what was the sector.
                  Second: what was the weather like.
                  Third, how much you slept before, 4-6 hours in fits and starts over the past month?
                  Fourth: Did you know that there is a person there, or for you it was the hundredth two-hour duty, during which you should have discovered something incomprehensible?

                  I say technology, of course, drives. In a spherical vacuum. In real life, everything is not so simple.

                  The turntable operator will primarily focus on finding subjects with a large MANPADS pipe. Moreover, in a large sector. And the probability of detecting a flaccid sniper is minimal.
                  1. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 28 March 2013 16: 55 New
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                    Lopatov - do not distort my writings in terms of hunting the turntable for a sniper lying in the nth place ... you perfectly understand that I described the use of a full-time thermal imager by a search group to search for a man dressed in multi-layer thermo-insulating equipment (one of the layers had silver spraying) in the forest (but not in the park), at night, without rain and without the moon - is it often not clear ???) I repeat that if a client who is completely motionless behind a stone with the above protruding forms has some chance of remaining undetected due to low attention of the operator of the thermal scanner, that is, getting lost in the general heap of viewed objects on the screen ... then at the beginning of the movement he no longer has a chance despite his equipment. The question is the resolution and sensitivity of the matrix (which generation was used - I don’t know, but certainly not SECRET). I’ll sharpen it again - the scanner sees the BEGINNING OF MOVEMENT. I mnu have a good enough dream and I wish you drinks
                    1. Lopatov
                      Lopatov 28 March 2013 19: 29 New
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                      Quote: viktor_ui
                      I described the use of a full-time thermal imager by a search team to search for a man wearing multilayer thermal insulation equipment

                      That is, the group knew that he was there, purposefully searched for him and at the same time was in the “comfort zone” for sleep, and other things.
                      Greenhouse conditions, a natural option.


                      Quote: viktor_ui
                      I mnu have a good enough dream and I wish you

                      Chronic lack of sleep is absolutely normal during hostilities.
                  2. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 28 March 2013 16: 56 New
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                    Lopatov - do not distort my writings in terms of hunting the turntable for a sniper lying in the nth place ... you perfectly understand that I described the use of a full-time thermal imager by a search group to search for a man dressed in multi-layer thermo-insulating equipment (one of the layers had silver spraying) in the forest (but not in the park), at night, without rain and without the moon - is it often not clear ???) I repeat that if a client who is completely motionless behind a stone with the above protruding forms has some chance of remaining undetected due to low attention of the operator of the thermal scanner, that is, getting lost in the general heap of viewed objects on the screen ... then at the beginning of the movement he no longer has a chance despite his equipment. The question is the resolution and sensitivity of the matrix (which generation was used - I don’t know, but certainly not SECRET). I’ll sharpen it again - the scanner sees the BEGINNING OF MOVEMENT. I mnu have a good enough dream and I wish you drinks
                  3. viktor_ui
                    viktor_ui 28 March 2013 16: 56 New
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                    Lopatov - do not distort my writings in terms of hunting the turntable for a sniper lying in the nth place ... you perfectly understand that I described the use of a full-time thermal imager by a search group to search for a man dressed in multi-layer thermo-insulating equipment (one of the layers had silver spraying) in the forest (but not in the park), at night, without rain and without the moon - is it often not clear ???) I repeat that if a client who is completely motionless behind a stone with the above protruding forms has some chance of remaining undetected due to low attention of the operator of the thermal scanner, that is, getting lost in the general heap of viewed objects on the screen ... then at the beginning of the movement he no longer has a chance despite his equipment. The question is the resolution and sensitivity of the matrix (which generation was used - I don’t know, but certainly not SECRET). I’ll sharpen it again - the scanner sees the BEGINNING OF MOVEMENT. I mnu have a good enough dream and I wish you drinks
                    1. viktor_ui
                      viktor_ui 28 March 2013 16: 58 New
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                      sorry for dubbing ... threw an error in the answer, until I refresh the page
        2. leonardo_1971
          leonardo_1971 28 March 2013 10: 34 New
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          a pinwheel used to fly in Chechnya at night with a thermal imager. we called it a telepuzik. prisoners of the Czechs said that they were hiding under the foil or pretending to be animals. sant 40 depth. the soil is stony.
  20. Region65
    Region65 27 March 2013 16: 32 New
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    Author Sergey Kozlov The Bratishka magazine, October 2001 .... as I understand it, the article is interesting in historical terms, but does not reflect the current state of affairs, because it has been 11 years old ....... something has changed in the best side over the years? I think yes. And just thank the author. It was interesting to read, think ...... hi
  21. redwar6
    redwar6 27 March 2013 20: 17 New
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    Thanks for the article, helpful.
    This is what level a sniper is, if he sewed from 600 meters ..
    1. MAG
      MAG 27 March 2013 20: 28 New
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      good level and if with svd then this is a pro
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 28 March 2013 10: 43 New
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        600 meters with the SVD is a good level. I hit 900. the truth is in the target. And 500 after the march 7 km. sniper rifle.
  22. grizzlir
    grizzlir 27 March 2013 20: 18 New
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    On the tower of one T-72 I saw the inscription: ANTISNAIPER. During duty, crews pre-adjusted interaction with security posts (in other words, sentries). When an enemy sniper was detected, the crew of the standby tank were given target designation by tracers and means of communication. floor below. Series 6-8 shells. The results were, and very good.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 27 March 2013 20: 59 New
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      Here it is, an anti-sniper:



      But not some tank. True, such complexes are in no hurry to deliver such complexes to the troops.
      1. leonardo_1971
        leonardo_1971 28 March 2013 10: 48 New
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        I tried to shoot from OSV.12.7 mm. a terrible thing. there is almost no return but the rumble is such that it shells itself.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 28 March 2013 11: 02 New
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          The main thing here is not a rifle, but the one to the left of it. The tester does not only detect optics, but also interferes. It can carry out beam targeting, both in the visible and in the IR spectrum.
        2. evgen2124
          evgen2124 28 March 2013 13: 35 New
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          I have an ov-96, svu, sv-98, sv99 and vsk! periodically I go to the final of the Krestyaninov competition there co-winners of all regional competitions among the Interior Ministry snipers meet! I know many in profile across the country and the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB! and for lumps and competitions!
    2. evgenich777
      evgenich777 27 March 2013 21: 29 New
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      there were not always 6-8 shells! I know that there were empty shells !!! sad
  23. Alex Nikandrov
    Alex Nikandrov 27 March 2013 21: 26 New
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    A laser pointer is well suited for removing stretch marks, and in the dark and in the afternoon any wire, even a fishing line, will indicate it.
    1. evgen2124
      evgen2124 27 March 2013 21: 41 New
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      and will betray you well! invented it yourself or "smart" prompted? and you can also search for them with a magnet, throw where a mine is stuck there!
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 28 March 2013 02: 10 New
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        To whom, your? 99% of mine explosives in the Second, on their stretch marks. They put whoever and how horrible. And often, they themselves forgot.
        1. evgen2124
          evgen2124 28 March 2013 13: 40 New
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          stretch marks are mainly used to detect people walking along the trail! and your task is to quietly penetrate it! look at the night and the pointer in the dark that he thinks and does an ambush or sentry seeing the ray of the pointer!
          1. Llirik
            Llirik 28 March 2013 17: 03 New
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            Pointer beam - this is not a lantern for you. He has a strictly limited focus, as a rule, they shine not under the squares, but under the legs. Try yourself to shine at night in front of your feet, standing next to a speck in front of you on the ground they will not notice anything and that is not a fact. And the sentry in 50 - 100 m, and in the bushes do you think you should immediately visit?
            1. evgen2124
              evgen2124 28 March 2013 22: 40 New
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              I LED at night in Stavropol calmly in ordinary binoculars detect up to 400 meters freely! we had night exercises with a search for a target with a diode backlight at a distance of 300 meters from an ordinary SVD with a PSO, no one missed! so I wish you happiness and long life, with any luck, people with a pointer!
          2. Lopatov
            Lopatov 28 March 2013 19: 34 New
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            Basically, they are put by the infantry around their positions. And immediately forgets where they put them. But the ass, if there was a change of units. Because the new ones put additional stretch marks, while not knowing about the set by their predecessors. So the laser pointer is a very good thing.

            Well, as for the sentry, on the contrary, you need to make more noise so that he does not fool you.
  24. rodevaan
    rodevaan 28 March 2013 10: 58 New
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    "But the main thing is that there are people who created the school in the broadest sense of the word. At the same time, the experience of the Great Patriotic War, Afghanistan and Chechnya was used."

    - It is on such people that the Russian land rests! And as long as we have such men - no one can break us!

    Well, about the article - the article is not bad, interesting, and of course, as usual, there were some terrible army tales about the “14,5 mm bullet from the KPVT, but ... without traces of rifling, fired from a piece of pipe” and the like tales. ... Well, yes, usually to such materials on this subject (it’s strange that it was only casual here) scary stories about mythical strong blonde beauties in tight-fitting leotards, shooting eggs to the right and left are always clinging ... This material also fairy tales around the pioneer bonfire are rich ... In general, army folklore does not sleep :)
    1. evgen2124
      evgen2124 28 March 2013 22: 47 New
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      about the eggs the real story! in 2000, a St. Petersburg girl worked with one of the skyscrapers for a minute according to ours! and after the shooting went on air with a proposal to remove from there our unit at certain hours! after 2 conscripts of the 300s, they eventually gouged a high-rise from the tank! the girl was then guarded in St. Petersburg for 2 years! according to rumors, now she is somewhere in the UAE with her brothel!
    2. evgen2124
      evgen2124 28 March 2013 22: 47 New
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      about the eggs the real story! in 2000, a St. Petersburg girl worked with one of the skyscrapers for a minute according to ours! and after the shooting went on air with a proposal to remove from there our unit at certain hours! after 2 conscripts of the 300s, they eventually gouged a high-rise from the tank! the girl was then guarded in St. Petersburg for 2 years! according to rumors, now she is somewhere in the UAE with her brothel!
    3. evgen2124
      evgen2124 28 March 2013 22: 48 New
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      about the eggs the real story! in 2000, a St. Petersburg girl worked with one of the skyscrapers for a minute according to ours! and after the shooting went on air with a proposal to remove from there our unit at certain hours! after 2 conscripts of the 300s, they eventually gouged a high-rise from the tank! the girl was then guarded in St. Petersburg for 2 years! according to rumors, now she is somewhere in the UAE with her brothel!
    4. Lopatov
      Lopatov 29 March 2013 00: 41 New
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      About girls, this is not folklore, this is reality.
      Just not in the balls, but in the pelvic area, it’s heavy, painful; Because if you don’t pull it out, it will die
      And not special beauties, especially there. They caught a Turkish woman once. It smelled of her. Trenches and cellars are not a resort.
      But the stories about "hooked to two tanks and tore up" - stories. Specialists of these immediately took to themselves.

      There was definitely one under Bamut in the second. They were drowned out by frequencies, and they moved to ours. The sniper, or not, is not in the know, but she watched for sure, heard about three times how she reported on the movements of the infantry. She spoke Russian, without accent. They tried to suppress tone-by-call, I don’t know if it helped. Then she stopped broadcasting. Hope banged