J-15: the plane will be ready soon, the engine - no

Sun Tsong, the general designer of the J-15 Chinese carrier-based fighter, said in an interview with Zhongguo Wang that the plane that had taken off and landing on the aircraft carrier at the end of 2012 had yet to complete the test program; in addition, preparations continue for the group of deck pilots aviation, but in general, "the distance to becoming a military force in length cannot be very large."

As for the engines, Sun Cong noted that “J-15 can be equipped with domestic engines. Now domestic engines have already reached a state where they can be used. Nevertheless, it is necessary to achieve a very ideal state and for this it is still necessary to work a little. ”

Sun Cong, who became a delegate to the session of the National Political Consultative Council of China, noted that 2012 was “fruitful” for the Chinese aviation industry corporation AVIC, which not only demonstrated a number of new products, but also confirmed its ability to develop new types of technology at a high rate.

Comments

[klimpopov]

that 2012 was "fruitful" for the Chinese aviation industry corporation AVIC, which

Of course, so many models for "casting" were purchased. Now copy, copy ... Interestingly, our engines will be installed (at first)? Or will they stick their own?

[Scarte]

"General designer of the Chinese carrier-based fighter J-15" Oh can't ... What did he do there ??? Aaaaaaaaa, General Designer for mold casting, so probably)

[Geisenberg]

... strange you somehow ... do you think they cast it, and then finish it with a file on a postcard? The designer worked there too, of course. The shape and proportions are scanned, and the drawings and technological documentation are newly developed. With the engines, only the jamb came out))) ...

[Goga]

I have a "de-javu" or is the device in the photo very similar to ...?

[klimpopov]

It is an exact copy of what you thought ...

[Garrin]

Quote: klimpopov

It is an exact copy of what you thought ...

And what are the doubts? "Stuck together" on a 3D printer.

[baltika-18]

Quote: Gogh

I have a "de-javu" or really the device in the photo is very similar to ...

No ..... no ..... Su-33 copy.
The engine is also from the AL-31 line ..... Gave the name WS-10
But the copy was not entirely successful, the resource is only 200 hours
normal life 800-1000 hours.

[klimpopov]

Well, yes, I also think that they will put for the engines? For while they bring it to mind, others will go forward and the glider will become obsolete (well, I see so). It turns out that they will put what is? Or will our sales begin?

[KORESH80]

klimpopov
Or will our sales begin?

They did not stop selling. The latest ones will be sold together with the Su-35.

[baltika-18]

Quote: klimpopov

For while they bring it to mind,

It’s hard to bring to mind, they don’t have the basic technology for the production of turbine blades (blades, in other words). If ours does not sell the technology, and this is suicide, they will not bring the engine in the next 10-20 years for sure.

[queen]

Quote: klimpopov

glider will become obsolete

They won’t do much, it is slightly inferior to the land one. And the SU-27 glider will serve for a long time, the modernization potential is high, but nothing lasts forever

[klimpopov]

But such a moment. Let's fast forward to the middle of 40x. The days of piston aviation, designed and well-proven gliders and here the buh and jet engines, it is clear that they did not appear from nowhere but had to re-examine everything, there was, if you like, a revolution in aviation. Thus, piston aviation and naturally gliders have existed for not more than 40 years since its inception (well, roughly I take it). But the situation may be repeated and reactive. That's what I meant.

[queen]

I agree, but jet and rocket were developed from another 30, when the piston was already mastered, and at this stage there seemed to be no alternative to the jet. And basically gliders from the point of view of aerodynamics are almost perfect.

[ultra]

Quote: Gogh

I have a "de-jave" or really the device in the photo is very similar to.

You do not have "deja-vu"! Why copied to that and look like!

[qwert]

he does not look like. He is identical. But gray is to his face.

[queen]

It is sad that the Ukrainians sold them a glider, saboteurs overslept ((((Yes, and the Chinese fellows, all the copies presented as new items. And they still have to do their own 10 years old, the fact is that they will.

[White]

If Russia hadn’t sold 200 Su-27s with a build license in due time, none of this would have happened. Yes, and with the engines we help a lot, but as they say money doesn’t smell.

[klimpopov]

Yes, this is very interesting. Without a twinge of conscience - the "new plane" built by the Chinese is issued as an achievement of the PRC. It is clear that everyone is copying, spying on and stealing .. But still ... Again, it's interesting - will the Chinese create their own aircraft building school? Will they become one of the legislators of aviation? Although such prospects are somehow scary ...

[rubber_duck]

Quote: klimpopov

Again it is interesting - will the Chinese create their own aircraft school? Will they become one of the legislators of aviation?

No, they will not. They just don't need it. For them, airplanes are not a goal (not even one of many goals), but a means. Means of gaining dominance. The Chinese, like engineers, alas, do not shine with originality of ideas, and if they shine, then I want to see the creator of the next mechanism that has fallen apart in your hands and give it to the head. Original ideas need a lot more personality, and the collective mind is incompatible with this. But he has his strengths, which the Chinese hivemind has learned to use to its fullest.

[klimpopov]

That is, as a result, they will still remain hostages, for example, of our or American developments? True, for me the Chinese soul is a mystery. After all, the USSR also copied in many ways from the beginning, but in the end they came to their own unique. What is stopping the Chinese? Collective mind? Maybe...
But if, as you say, it turns out that they will not be leaders, for they will always depend on those who are ahead. Or hire Russians ...

[zennon]

Quote: klimpopov

After all, the USSR also copied in many ways from the beginning, but in the end they came to their own unique. What is stopping the Chinese? Collective mind? Maybe...
But if, as you say, it turns out that they will not be leaders, for they will always depend on those who are ahead. Or hire Russians ...

In order to create, and not just stupidly copy, the required samples are not enough. You need to have the most important thing - an engineering school, a powerful science and specialized education. There was no such thing and never will!

[klimpopov]

Optimistic. We will hope...

[baltika-18]

Quote: regin

that the Ukrainians sold them a glider (

Yeah ...... money .... money .....
They sold the prototype T-10K along with the documentation.

[White]

It’s possible to clarify what kind of documentation is involved, I just don’t understand what kind of documentation could be in Ukraine.

I already wrote above but you probably have not read. In 1995, Russia sold to China license In the production of 200 Su-27s, the Chinese, having collected 95 pieces, abandoned the rest as unnecessary. This is where the documentation comes from in China. Of course, the Su-33 is very different from the Su-27, but having only one aircraft (it is still unknown what condition it was), it would be much more difficult for them to copy.
And now history may repeat itself, it seems like Russia is ready to sell the Su-35 and here is the modernization of the J-11.

[queen]

NITKA.He passed tests there, and what tests without documentation

[queen]

Or the airfield Kirov)))))

[baltika-18]

Quote: White

You can clarify what documentation is involved

Honestly, the story there is rather muddy, the plane left Ukraine, it always appears that there was documentation on it, and what is not specifically reported. But if there was nothing, it would be unlikely that the Su-27 and the T-10k model alone would turn out to be Su -33 in the Chinese version called J-15.

[Hoist]

If they will sell the Su-35, then only in assembled form, no assembly license and, accordingly, related documentation.

[Stiletto]

With dviglom they will soon have no problems either - ours "persuaded" China for a batch of either 24 or 35 Sushki.

[klimpopov]

There was infa, it was not confirmed ... The tape srah again crap one's pants ... Although smoke without fire ...

[Vanek]

May I repeat myself? Only more careful.

- There is a fifth point, but no words.

[crocodile25]

The Chinese gut is a good engine to make.

[queen]

At this stage, yes, but wait, they’ll do it. Time works for them

[plotnikov561956]

the secret of technology is hidden tightly ... and it’s too tough for the Chinese ... they won’t jump above 100-200 hours and it’s the last ten years ... and what’s there with the product 117 ...

[rubber_duck]

Quote: plotnikov561956

the secret of technology is hidden tightly

Well, let's not play Treasure Island. There are no special secrets there. There is experience and production culture. "White" culture. Soviet culture. Yes, it will be difficult for the Chinese to reach such heights, but they are constantly trying, not stopping for a second. And they will achieve it over time. And if they do not succeed, their resources may well allow them to "take in numbers".

[queen]

Quote: rubber_duck

Well, let's not play Treasure Island. There are no special secrets

There are a lot of secrets there, they cannot achieve the technology of alloys and their quantity so far, later yes.

[WS]

Quote: plotnikov561956
the secret of technology is hidden tightly

So hard that the creator of the secret is in penny or in paradise. And dvigatelisty do blades on directive TP, know how to do correctly, but why they do not know. Our design bureaus in the course of purely sitting on the Archives, For a long time this can not continue.

[plotnikov561956]

Regarding the lack of secrets, explain this to the Chinese ... they rack their brains ... but just wash their hands before work ...

[queen]

Quote: krokodil25

General Designer of the Chinese J-15 carrier-based fighter Sun Tsun in an interview

Specifically killed ... General Xerox closer.

[avt]

Quote: regin

Specifically killed ... General Xerox closer.

And what will Poghosyan be like? He will also be responsible for pirated copies of the Chinese fighter According to the harsh laws of capitalism. The contrabacker is cursed. Already him, this Sun Tsun really Take It Out Pei will show.

[queen]

Quote: avt

And what will Poghosyan be like?

He stuck with his jet ... the load on the KB is huge.

[baltika-18]

Quote: avt

Already him, this Sun Tsun really Take It Out Pei will show.

Shark, Respect .......... Sun-Vin .....

[leon-iv]

And here I am interested in the plane is a huge complex of components and assemblies. If the body contours can be repeated, then honestly I really want to look at the avionics

[VadimSt]

The engine seems to be at the test stage!

[klimpopov]

"China's first rocket launched into space exploded at launch.
2 cosmonauts and 500 stokers were killed. "
Something I remembered.

[Chicot 1]

That's wonderful ... More precisely indicative. With all my heart I wish to remain at the same level in the aircraft engine industry of "great" China ...

[Geisenberg]

Let the little ones work. When they make their own engine, we’ll come up with a new one))) ...

[crocodile25]

Quote: leon-iv

And here I am interested in the plane is a huge complex of components and assemblies. If the body contours can be repeated, then honestly I really want to look at the avionics

This is the Chinese do not exaggerate.

[jagdpanzer]

all of you are sarcastic about their engines and they are moving slowly will bring the resource to a more or less acceptable number and will make them like pies, they can then put this matter on the stream and easily saturate their army, but we have units of new equipment plus the consequences of reforms, even get out of the way it won't fix anything unfortunately

[Odysseus]

Quote: jagdpanzer

all you are sarcastic about their engines and they are moving slowly will bring the resource to a more or less acceptable number and will make them like pies, they can then put this matter on the stream and easily saturate their army

That’s already been done. Even a couple of years ago, the resource was 300 hours. The J-11B already has its own engines, ours go to the first version, dozens and to replace engines for a clean Su-27.
But they are not competing with us, but with the USA. And here they still have to work and work. For example, the J-15, of course, is better than the Su-33, but still inferior to Super Hornet. Yes, and the number of custom J-15s is still small.

[queen]

Quote: jagdpanzer

they can then put this matter on the stream

Sorry, but this is not for you. For Uncle Vasya (alternative to ara-service) to collect in one day. The process is time-consuming.

[jagdpanzer]

Quote: regin

but it’s not your ICE

I know that this is moreover I live in Ufa where they are being collected! Remember how they used to try to melt iron in stoves? and where are they now ?! sooner or later, technology will either be stolen, they will either buy their heads or learn for themselves, and I don’t even doubt that the flow will be organized all the production in China from iPhones and so on, well, they will do with less resource and not so reliable but they will overwhelm

[queen]

I didn’t mean about this, it doesn’t mean well in large numbers, it’s not the resource, but the refusals.

[darksoul]

how to learn how to copy, the only thing that scares you is that every time the Chinese copies get better and better, for such a short period they raised the country ... and we have both the territory and resources, the entire periodic table, but the bureaucrats just haven’t stolen yet. .... there is nowhere to spend so much dough and you can’t put it in the grave