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"I'm afraid France will get to suicide ..."

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Konstantin Melnik-Botkin, 84-year-old legend of international intelligence, coordinator of the French intelligence services during de Gaulle’s time, told the Voice of Russia that the Russian mentality was very disturbing in his career and why Russia did not need to take an example from the West
In 32 of the year, during the reign of Charles de Gaulle, Melnik headed the structure in charge of all the special services of France, including intelligence. Miller also plays a key role in ending the Algerian War and accordingly beginning the process of decolonization. Later he was one of the main analysts and the shadow leaders of the French state power apparatus, as well as of the American state corporations. Miller worked closely with the Vatican.


Konstantin Konstantinovich Melnik-Botkin (born 24 in October 1927) was a French political scientist and writer. Born in France into a family of Russian émigrés of the first wave: a White Guard lieutenant, a native of the family of wealthy Volynian peasants Konstantin Melnik, and Tatiana Botkina, daughter of the family physician of the family of Nicholas II E.S. Botkin. He was the best student in high school. After the war, he served as a translator in the American army for two years.
Konstantin Konstantinovich Melnik-Botkin (born 24 in October 1927) was a French political scientist and writer.

Born in France into a family of Russian émigrés of the first wave: a White Guard lieutenant, a native of the family of wealthy Volynian peasants Konstantin Melnik, and Tatiana Botkina, daughter of the family physician of the family of Nicholas II E.S. Botkin.

He was the best student in high school.

After the war, he served as a translator in the American army for two years.

He worked as an analyst, collaborated with the Vatican organization "Russicum".

Melnik recalled himself and Sergei Obolensky (1909 — 1992): “He did not have hatred for the Soviet Union. He and I thought that the Soviet Union had liberated Europe from the Nazis. For us, the USSR anthem was the anthem of the liberators. After graduating from high school, I even entered to the organization "Soviet Patriots".

He graduated from the Paris Institute of Political Science (1946), where he was the first in his course. While studying at the Institute of Political Science, having no means to rent a room in Paris, he lived in Medon from 1946 to 1949 a year.

From 1952, he worked in the Ministry of the Interior of France. He was drafted into the army, served in the General Staff of the National Defense of France with Marshal Jouin.

In 1959 — 1962, Melnik is the coordinator of the French intelligence services under Prime Minister Debre.

In those years, Melnik, as the newspaper Le Monde wrote about him, was one of the most influential figures of the Fifth Republic. He knew all the secrets, held all the keys in his hands, enjoyed absolute confidence. Ruthless towards those in power, the satirical weekly Canar Abshene wrote in those years: "Among the nonentities of the Matignon Palace, a star named Melnik shines brightly."

After leaving the Matignon Palace, Melnik took up publishing and writing, writing a total of about a dozen books. Among them are the novel Agency and the Committee (about the CIA and the KGB), the autobiography Spy and His Century. The Diagonal Double, the memoirs Thousand Days in Matignon, the pamphlet Politically Incorrect, the spy detective story.History treason. "

As a publisher, he released the bestseller translated in Russia by Gilles Perrault The Red Chapel, Steiner's book about the concentration camp in Treblinka, a series of Bornish novels, subsequently filmed with Alain Delon in the title role. Melnik himself starred in the movie, playing the colonel of the KGB in the movie "The Elephant's Diagonal".

For several years he worked in the USA in the RAND corporation, from 1955, he was its representative in Paris.

RAND (Eng. Research and Development - "Research and Development", or R & D - research and development) - American strategic research center.

First visited Russia in 1998 year.


In an interview with Golos Rossii, Melnik said:

- Russia in the West is hated, misunderstood and unwilling to understand! When you read French newspapers or magazines, they always criticize Russia, criticize the system ... Here is the latest issue of the very well-known journal Politician Internationale, where the whole article is against Putin.

In France and in the West, people forget that Russia suffered terribly, that after all there was a revolution, a civil war, many killed, emigration, victims of repression under Lenin, under Stalin - 25 million, World War II. And when communism failed, no one helped or helped Russia. Everything is forgotten in France. They continue to look at Russia, as during the Cold War. This is complete nonsense!

France hates Russia, but this is understandable, because Russia defeated their beloved Napoleon. Then Khrushchev still did not want to give the money that the French banks lent to the tsarist regime (this is a government loan for the construction of railways, the vast majority of which were built with funds from the French population. The Lenin government did not recognize the debt, which led to a strong dislike of the new communist the authorities on the part of the French population, which, in fact, robbed. Yeltsin’s Russia partly recognized the debt and negotiated the settlement of at least the nominal). And then it happened that the French intellectuals were all ex-communists and Maoists. And they still have the impression that Russia defiled their communist ideals. The situation is difficult for Russia to reverse in France. Not to mention America, which also hates Russia. The only country that behaves decently is Germany, after all. And others ...

- Absolutely right. And Putin has very clear ties with Germany, and now there is an attempt to build relations with France. But it is very difficult, because Francois Hollande has no policy towards Russia. Sarkozy was the pro-American president.

“He ruined France, and I'm afraid Hollande is even worse.” Apart from Germany, the whole West failed. I am very pessimistic about the future of Europe. But they love themselves and are confident that they are right and that everything is wonderful. Moreover, Russia is always to blame for everything.

- You wrote about Islam and that the French at one time tried to cope with the Muslims and the threat from them in the era of the Algiers War. You are the person who helped France out of the Algerian conflict ... How did you manage to achieve such heights in your career?

- It happened because I am a Russian. I had a wonderful career, I worked as a Soviet analyst. He was also familiar with the Jesuit Order of the Vatican, which formed the Rusikum organization, which studied communism (Rusikum is the main intelligence center of the Vatican, so succeeded in collecting information that, according to certain sources, even the CIA buys information from him).

I am the only person in the West who at such a young age has reached such heights in the field of intelligence and analytics. For example, analyzing Soviet open sources, including the Pravda newspaper, I formed a forecast that Khrushchev would be Stalin's heir: the fact is that in newspaper publications he was given much more attention than Malenkov or Beria.

My next assignment was the post of representative of the largest American organization Rand Rand (note: numerous analysts consider RandCorp. Part of the semi-official analytic structure of the CIA in Europe, collecting information to assign Americans with a presence in the European space). I was ready to go to America. But I also had a political career in France, so when de Gaulle came to power and his prime minister, Michel Debre, with whom I was friends, asked me for profile help, I reacted like a stupid Russian man. Raised, you see, was "for the king, for the motherland, for the faith." So I decided to take the authority to end this terrible Algerian war and return France to its greatness according to the recipe of the General. At the same time, I did not rank myself as a Gaullist, remaining an outsider for them. Therefore, as soon as the war ended, they looked at me as at the Russian, for example, as a member of the Foreign Legion: in the sense that if the war is over, it means that no one needs it anymore.

So, at that time my official career came to an end, and it was necessary to begin a new life as a writer and publisher. Nevertheless, I continued to be interested in intelligence all the time, however, as well as Russia.

In the 1972 year, when Brezhnev began negotiations with the West on the issue of delimiting spheres, Leonid Ilch’s proposal met with a widespread negative reaction. I, together with the Vatican lawyer, on the contrary, explained that the only way to destroy the communist system is to formulate the third appendix to the basic package transferred by Brezhnev.

In his memoirs, Gorbachev writes that this was the beginning of the collapse of the communist system: Russia could not accept the introduction of the concept of "human rights" into international practice, much less the creation of a regime for the free movement of people and spiritual values. There was an absolute contradiction with the local law enforcement. In order to gain an understanding of politicians, I had to fight for it. It took me 3 of the year for the West to understand that the only opportunity to build a new Russia was to sign the so-called third Helsinki basket.

In other words, I again acted as a typical unmerging Russian: for I personally did not derive any benefit from this business for myself either in France or in America. On the contrary, they looked at me as if they were left-winged, that is, sympathizing with communism.

From this follow two or three program outputs, which I adhered to. First: to foresee that Khrushchev will be Stalin's heir. Second: to help de Gaulle not only to withdraw from the Algerian war, but also to avoid the civil war in France, which was also part of my area of ​​responsibility. I note that the situation in the country was terrible. At that time, under my command were all the police forces of the country, or, as you call them, the security forces.

As you know, the operation was a success: the civil war did not start. The basis of my motives was the Russian line: I remembered the horrors of 17, the murder of my grandfather, Dr. Evgeny Sergeyevich Botkin (E.S. Botkin was shot with members of the royal family in the Ipatiev House). I hate anarchy and revolution.

Now about communism. My approach to it was very interesting. In some ways it coincided with the line of the Vatican. I believed that communism is not an ideology similar to Nazism, but a real new religion, therefore it is necessary to fight it with spiritual forces. According to this line, I built my whole life. But he did not receive any special benefits from France. In turn, I absolutely do not care, because I feel like a Russian person, and not a Frenchman at all.

I was born in France, but started to speak French only when I was 7 years old. Prior to 20, he lived in a Russian environment in which they spoke exclusively Russian. So I thought in Russian, and in French I began to think only when I went to the Academy of Political Sciences. I finished it first in my graduation, which allowed me to make a career. Of course, the real career was impossible, because in those times - especially after the war - France was a deeply communist country. For example, at the Academy of Political Sciences, the history of Russia before 17 was not studied. Studied exclusively political economy and socialist Marxism. Therefore, the white emigre was looking askance at me. My real career went in America, but then I gave up everything to protect France and de Gaulle, that is, I acted in a typical Russian way: very stupid. Just like Saltykov-Shchedrin.

- You did not manage to reach the greatest heights, because you never gave up your Russian origin. We read it in your book: You were always true to yourself and did not want to remake your name in the French way ... (see the book by KK Melnik "Modern intelligence and espionage", as well as the same author "Spying in French" .

- And there is. But intelligence was always my main muse. Firstly, intelligence was not related to communist ideology, and secondly, it provides an opportunity to understand the world.

I always wanted to understand why such a great power as the Russian Empire died so quickly and fell so deep. That is why the last 10 years, I was still interested in intelligence. After this, my work, which you mentioned, it was time for my first meetings with Marcus Wolf (for 34 years, Wolf led the intelligence services of the GDR), General Kondrashov, high-ranking representatives of the CIA ...

There was a movie shot. At the first meeting, the producer asked me: "What do you want?" I replied that I wanted to meet with the KGB officers with whom I had once fought. I have in mind the First Chief Directorate, and not the Second Principal Board. What was my shock! In the First Main Directorate, I found remarkable people who had a scale of thinking comparable to the teachers of French universities! Absolutely honest people who did nothing vulgarly! They only studied the world, even if they recruited agents who sympathized with communism!

One of this galaxy is Shebarshina. I can not help but worry about this. I called him every week, we often met and drank tea or had dinner with him. So his suicide was a big blow to me. Shebarshin was one of the most brilliant scouts I have ever met. I think he was of the level of Marcus Wolf, with whom I was also friends.

So, I have been friends with people from the former First Main Directorate of the KGB for 10 years, and I have read all the books that they so kindly sent me. Perhaps that is why I wrote another book about real Russian intelligence. You read it in the Russian translation, which is not very good.

In my book, it says that the beginning of real Russian intelligence was laid by the emergence of a communist ideology. In the West, intelligence began when World War II broke out. The British behaved very cleverly. French intelligence also behaved competently in relation to the Germans. The guerrilla war was not, of course, a significant phenomenon, but intelligence did work well. And then the Cold War began, and America entered the reconnaissance arena.

Frankly, the last 10 years of my contacts with representatives of the Russian intelligence have helped me a lot to write the last book about the shortcomings of the French data collection system (meaning the book "Spying in French"). When they showed me the KGB museum, I wrote in the Golden Visitors Book: "The best intelligence in the world."

The secret is that the Russian person loves relationships with other people and is keenly interested in them. In addition, the KGB Academy provided its graduates with a very interesting and in some ways even wonderful upbringing. The Russian himself has a specific spirit: he is interested in other countries. And the Frenchman is interested only in himself. Therefore, Paris is not bad at combating terrorism, because in this case we are talking about self-defense. That is why they had such wonderful intelligence during the German occupation, and now there is success in the fight against terrorism. But the knowledge of other countries, other people they are not interested.

Today, French intelligence is guided by fantasies, including the fantasy there in present-day Russia: it includes such concepts as relations with Putin, as well as relations with the Putin system.

It is difficult to argue that in some ways the analysis of French intelligence contains correct conclusions: for example, about the presence of corruption in Russia and an underdeveloped economy. With the 4 and 3 Republics in France, there was no corruption at all, because there were wonderful officials. Therefore, when de Gaulle came to power, these same officials helped him, corruption did not arise, which in turn made it possible to develop the country's economy.
Nevertheless, it should be noted that economic growth began even before de Gaulle, that is, at the time of the 4 Republic. I myself, together with the Russian group (meaning a significant part of the French leaders who left the colony of white immigrants), took a direct part in this process.

Due to the presence of a competent team of like-minded people in government posts, we managed to build a strong economy of a mixed public-private type. I think 4 Republic saved itself from communism because it came up with an economic model stronger and more attractive than communist systems. In those days, the danger of communism was stronger than ever: we must not forget that 37% of the French voted for this party. Everyone defended Stalin, but thanks to the French socialists and the French radical socialists - by the way, I was just a radical socialist - we still raised the country and let de Gaulle finish the Algerian war.

Now about Russia. I have often said that Putin was pursuing de Gaulle’s policy, because still there was no free press under de Gaulle, and the monopoly on television was in the hands of the state. In addition, all Putin's theories are similar to de Gaulle's theories. But, unfortunately, de Gaulle had a very strong country in his hands, which he ruined, and Mitterrand had finished it off. Now we are waiting for an absolute failure with the new socialist.

This will undoubtedly be an economic failure, because the Frenchman is an individualist by nature and is interested only in himself. He will ask more from the state: more pensions, higher wages. And I'm afraid that France will reach suicide, like Greece. And criticizing Putin for not going to the West is complete nonsense, because you need to build something new in Russia, but this is difficult, because there are no good officials or political leaders.

In other words, unfortunate Putin stands alone. If you look closely, his environment is very interesting. They even come across people of Medvedev scale, but there is no body of officials and political leaders! And the country, as we all said at the beginning of our conversation, suffered terribly because of the revolution, because of the emigration. The only person, ironically, who built Russia is still Stalin. And now there is a fashion to criticize Stalin: the price was terrible, the peasantry died, 700 000 shot ... But he built the country! As Churchill said, he got a country that lived in the 16 century, and left it with a nuclear weapons. It's amazing!

Interestingly, Russia adored de Gaulle. He always thought that it was impossible to build Europe without Russia. This is his famous phrase, for example: "From the Atlantic Ocean to the Urals"! But de Gaulle spoke poorly about ruling Russia. So, he liked to add: "When the line fails (in Russia) - absolutely unserious, stupid and ineffective!" De Gaulle tried to talk about it with Khrushchev when he invited him to Paris. The general said that after Stalin’s death, it was necessary to immediately start some kind of restructuring, although at that time there was no such word. What you need to change the style of government. In response, Khrushchev behaved like a stupid peasant. And de Gaulle showed him the factories, all the wonderful things that exist in France, and which, I am afraid, will not stand in the face of today's crisis. Khrushchev only answered: "And in our Soviet Union it will be even better!" I am witness to all this, because I worked with the Prime Minister when France hosted Khrushchev. In short, for us it was a terrible disappointment. Khrushchev did not want to understand that a mixed economy is more efficient than the state model.

- You write in your book “Spying in French” that French intelligence was not effective enough and that, with the exception of Georges Pak, whom you personally knew, with the exception of some small fish, the French did not have the opportunity to act effectively. But Jacques Sapir, Ellen Carrer d'Ancoss, your contemporaries and colleagues, said that the French had historically had strong intelligence in Africa with a perfectly well-functioning system. You guided it all. Do you think the opinion is justified?

- I see one thing: it's a shame to say, but France did not lead the Cold War in the field of intelligence. She took, as they say in Russia, an absolutely neutral position. I think they simply did not have the opportunity, like a state, to afford it. The French were not interested in anything except the defense of France against communism or against agents like Georges Pak. But they did not conduct an intelligent policy on the Russian front, because there were not enough funds, there was no help from the Foreign Ministry, there was no government support.

In Africa, a completely different situation. Here, from my point of view, we are no longer talking about intelligence, but, most likely, a policy of influence. Still, de Gaulle was a very strange man, and his losses in Algeria caused great sadness, which indirectly caused dissension in our relations with him.

He wanted to preserve French influence in Africa. But there was no real intelligence in Africa. It was a policy of influence, where the president of some African country had, for example, an advisor to a man listed as the head of the French residency. For me, this is not intelligence. The politics of influence is a completely different thing. She does not have to go through the special services. It should be pursued through diplomacy, economic assistance, and an impact on the local education system. But it can be said that de Gaulle in Africa used the special services to calculate the possibility of a new wave of colonization. Let in another form. We see the result today: it is by no means brilliant - Africa is in a terrible state. Economic development did not take place. All the money went to France through major oil companies. Guided by my own system of views, that is, my so-called Russian stupidity, I think that any country has no right to exploit or despise another. Well, about how today the French despise Russia. Strong countries should help others to become strong, rich and developed.

The policy of the Americans after World War II was correct in this area. I am a witness to that. But after the First World, France led a terrible policy against Germany. And this policy led to national socialism.

After World War II, people like Foster Dulles, the US foreign secretary, or his brother, Alain Dulles, began a policy that became a working Marshall plan. They, of course, pursued their own interests. But still the Americans then helped France to build an economically powerful country.

Today, America’s policy has completely turned upside down: they are only interested in force, military conquest. I wrote an article in a Russian magazine after 11 September that America needs to return to its old ideals and help Arab countries and the entire Middle East build a new economy, educate local people, and offer long-term investment projects. It was time to start doing this instead of fighting! The CIA also behaves in the same way with its Guantanamo camp, the killing of Muslims or their abduction. This is a terrible, bad policy, which is directed towards anarchy and indignation of the countries in which it is carried out. In Western Europe, Americans used to have smart politics.

Speaking of Russia, I still feel hurt that Putin and his staff are not spending enough efforts to build a new economy, new roads, or to stop corruption. Apparently, these problems are the price that the country pays for the 17 year. So many intellectuals lost during World War II, because the best people were killed! How difficult now! All the misfortunes of Russia begin in the 17 year.

I'll tell you a little joke. Now the man has passed away, and I can tell it. The first time I met Shebarshina was at the SVR press conference. And here comes a man, and I immediately recognize Shebarshin from photographs. He turns to me and says: "Konstantin Konstantinovich!" That is, when he saw me for the first time, he immediately recognized me. And Shebarshin continues: "I read your great-grandfather's book, SP Botkin, yesterday, about the Russian-Turkish war in the 70's." I, of course, asked him why he reads such books. He replied: "Because I read books before Russian misfortune." I, of course, asked him when the Russian misfortune begins. And - surprisingly for the head of the KGB - he replied: "17 year." And so many misfortunes have been in Russia since this year, which is a real horror.

But the only positive thing is the arrival of Stalin. But for me, Putin’s power is a positive factor. Because he reminds me of de Gaulle. But he does not have a strong civil society, there is no strong justice, there is no strong industry, except for the sale of oil and some other opportunities. We need to understand Russia. Therefore, a radio like yours is useful because you explain what kind of country it is and what its capabilities are.

- Konstantin Konstantinovich, you write about the fact that the Vatican did not and does not have intelligence, although the Vatican itself is a strong organization.

- I knew Opus Dei well. This is not a form of intelligence. Opus Dei is a tool of influence. Because they have an impact on important people in a Catholic environment. They had a wonderful man, the lawyer of the Pope, with whom I worked a lot, Master Viola (Opus Dei - a separate order of the Vatican, whose members, being formally monks, so-called numeries, can maintain their alibi, even getting married and living a normal life. Guide The orders, surumerarii, conduct financial transactions, as well as gather information from around the world, they also own a number of universities and, according to some sources, cities - for example, Pampluna. s activities only to the Pope).

Whether it is intelligence or not is hard to say ... I think these are specially formed organizations, such as Opus Dei or Rusikum. But they do not have handwriting intelligence. They helped the Polish church immediately after the war, sending funds and books - the Gospel and other publications necessary to serve the Liturgy. But for them it is quite a natural line of conduct. We in the West have a division between society and the state, the state and intelligence, engaged in a narrow professional activity. In the Vatican, they do not have a division of duties between the activities of Maître Viola responsible for “Opus Dei” and those of the Pope. In other words, everyone does everything at once. But technically the Vatican is the most effective intelligence in the world.

- I have a question for you: you believe in the alliance of France with Russia. And that relations will develop in the future, and France will be reborn, as de Gaulle used to say, a "white Christian country", always the former, in the eyes of Russia, the center of world civilization?

- Now people in Russia love France in many respects and look at it as an example to follow, like a “high” country. You know, France is a very strange country. This is a proud country. She has a very high opinion of herself. And the French propaganda is very effective. But you should not look at France as an example.

I remember one conversation with Shebarshin, even before he shot himself. He said that there were difficult moments under Stalin, and under Khrushchev and Brezhnev - less difficult. But we have never seen (in France) such a vulgar situation as now. And now France continues to say that it is a wonderful country. But she is still a very vulgar country.

Nevertheless, I believe that the hatred of France for Russia should not have any influence on Russian politics. How should American anti-Russian policy not have an influence on Russian policy?

That's right, Putin did not go to America, because the Americans have a cold war psychology. But in Russia itself the situation is very difficult. It’s too easy to criticize Putin.

Often think about the prospects of this country. I believe that the Russian people are strong and that they will be able to build their future. But I would be sorry if a small Russian civil society (note: civil society - in the understanding of French political science, intellectuals and politicians) decides that salvation is in the West. There will be no salvation in the West. If you want, look at Greece, Spain, Italy, and tomorrow and France! The Russians need to understand that they need to fight, as in the days of World War II! It is necessary that all the people rise to the cause of their development, but it is difficult.

The authors are grateful to Alexander Shchedrov for help in organizing the interview.
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  1. tanit
    tanit 20 March 2013 07: 59
    26 th
    during the reign of Charles de Gaulay .... Who is this? And the article does not seem to be bad, but "degoly" ruined the whole impression (((
    1. alexng
      alexng 20 March 2013 09: 42
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      These are the ones who sow trouble in the world, who do not know who de Gaulle is, Ivana does not remember their relationship, and then they are surprised that they are stepping on a rake. And the rake is always the same. Of course, one cannot get stuck in the past, but at the same time one cannot forget it, let alone misinterpret it in one's own favor. And then we ourselves become hypnotized by our own lies, and such a situation ensues that a person is no longer able to determine where reality is and where illusion is. It is not paradoxical, but events in the world occur regardless of us. It is later that we try to evaluate them and draw conclusions. But the walls built by their concepts do not allow making this assessment objective. So it turns out that how many people and as many worlds exist as if parallel to each other. Hence the conclusion that universal human values ​​cannot exist in this, well, not very perfect world, and the very concept of universal human values ​​is a common fallacy of modern Western intelligence, i.e. carrots in front of a donkey's nose. It always seems to us that we can do something better than others, but this is not so. Everyone should do their work at their own level and not interfere with others doing their own work at their own level. Otherwise, a person turns into a soccer ball in the opinion of others, not belonging to himself, and this is how unfortunate it is slavery.
      We need to learn how to just live and not disturb others from living. And for this it is necessary to take into account the mistakes of the past and, of course, the good that came before us, but first of all it is necessary to learn how to separate the grain from the chaff. These are just my thoughts out loud.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 20 March 2013 10: 16
      +4
      In fact, Charles de Gaulle is the general who led the struggle of the French against the Nazis, when the Vichy government surrendered and began cooperation with the Germans. The troops under his command fought in Africa and Europe. Such things are worth knowing. No.
    3. Tambov Wolf
      Tambov Wolf 20 March 2013 14: 16
      +1
      The general, the politician who, after the war, raised France, is about the same as we have Stalin.
    4. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 20 March 2013 15: 16
      +1
      De Gaulle is the second after Napoleon, the French "man" (in the sense of male actions), the rest somehow flew past ...
    5. ShturmKGB
      ShturmKGB 20 March 2013 15: 21
      0
      It appears from the article that this Mr. Melnik-Botkin is a great talent, hero and defender of Russia ... in fact, it turns out he collected information about the USSR talentedly and handed it over to the intelligence of France, the Vatican ... do you think this is patriotic?
  2. Apollo
    Apollo 20 March 2013 08: 06
    +9
    quote- Absolutely. And Putin has very clear ties with Germany, and now there is an attempt to build relations with France. But this is very difficult, because Francois Hollande has no policy towards Russia. Sarkozy was a pro-American president.

    “He killed France, and I'm afraid Hollande is even worse.”

    Geopolitical mosaic: Britain and France are going to arm the Syrian rebels, and Obama spoke of "open options" against Iran
    The plans of Paris and London, the EU is not a hindrance.

    the fact that London is boring from year to year does not surprise me at all, France is another matter, it has always been distinguished by a well-considered and thought-out foreign policy. Sarkozy and Hollande inflicted irreparable damage to the image of France so that it will recover for a long time.
    http://topwar.ru/index.php?do=lastcomments&userid=26162

    conclusion. almost that one to one. imho
    1. Papakiko
      Papakiko 20 March 2013 08: 43
      +9
      Quote: Apollon
      conclusion. almost that one to one. imho

      1)In the West, intelligence began when World War II broke out. The British were very smart. French intelligence also behaved competently with respect to the Germans. Guerrilla warfare was not, of course, a significant event, but intelligence did work well. And then the Cold War began, and America entered the arena of reconnaissance.
      2) the presence in Russia of corruption and an underdeveloped economy. Under the 4th and 3rd Republics in France there was no corruption at all, because there were wonderful officials. Therefore, when de Gaulle came to power, these same officials helped him, corruption did not arise, which in turn made it possible to develop the country's economy.
      Nevertheless, it should be noted that economic growth began even before de Gaulle, that is, at the time of the 4 Republic. I myself, together with the Russian group (meaning a significant part of the French leaders who left the colony of white immigrants), took a direct part in this process.
      3) All the misfortunes of Russia begin in the 17th year.


      Literally 3 opuses and the contents of this article can be calmly forgotten, as well as the article itself. hi
      1. fzr1000
        fzr1000 20 March 2013 10: 53
        +4
        Forget about yourself better. The man received a brilliant education, has invaluable experience working with de Gaulle, one might say he was friends with Shebarshin and he respected him. What can you brag about? Maybe this gentleman is an enemy, but such enemies must be respected. Incidentally, he respects our country. You can only learn this attitude to life. For his age, he has a very balanced look and appreciation of the world.
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 20 March 2013 11: 45
          +1
          Quote: fzr1000
          Maybe this gentleman is an enemy

          The fact that he is an enemy is completely natural. That Botkin, which is mentioned in the text, his grandfather was shot along with the royal family. This is not forgiven.
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 20 March 2013 15: 50
            -1
            Quote: Uncle
            This is not forgiven

            He "grew and understood":
            Crimean Tatar raids.
            Polish invasions.
            Swedish invasions.
            Napoleonic invasion
            The First and Second World Wars.
            Born October 24, 1927 - French political scientist and writer. Born in France in a family of Russian emigrants of the first wave: White Guard lieutenant, coming from a family of wealthy Volyn peasants everything else is a legend about (he's a personnel-off-screen intelligence)Konstantin Melnik, and Tatyana Botkina, daughter of a life doctor of the family of Nicholas II, E. S. Botkin.

            This is a more powerful argument in the dislike of Russia.
            The USSR (Revolution of 1917) deprived the "miller-botkin" of several thousand slave peasants, along with a couple of thousand hectares of land.

            article -, solely for the wrong title.
            1. fzr1000
              fzr1000 20 March 2013 16: 02
              -1
              It is interesting how a peasant, albeit a prosperous one, could have several thousand peasant slaves, and even after the abolition of serfdom? We learn history, master the basics of logic.
              1. Papakiko
                Papakiko 21 March 2013 02: 06
                0
                Quote: fzr1000
                We learn history, master the basics of logic.

                The manifesto on the abolition of serfdom on February 19 (March 3), 1861.
                It only determined the mechanism of such liberation, moreover, flawed and unfair. Until 1906, despite the legal abolition of serfdom, there remained a de facto ban on the departure of “obligated” and “redeeming” peasants from their land, which indicates the maintenance of serfdom as a socio-economic institution.
                As the historian P. A. Zayonchkovsky wrote, the conditions for the purchase of land were "of the most predatory nature." In the examples cited by him, which, he said, are “a vivid illustration of the unbridled robbery of peasants, which was established by the Regulations of February 19, 1861,” the amount of redemption payments of peasants paid by them for 49 years, taking into account interest (6% per annum) ) 4-7 times higher than the market value of the land they redeem.
                1861 + 49 = 1910
                + -10% for the error And Woo-a-la robbed and robbed peasantry, and this 90% of the population of Russia with "pleasure" took revenge on the former "owners"!

                Before rushing words-We learn history, master the basics of logic. look stupidly at Wikipedia and it will give you at least 15-25% of knowledge, this is if absorption is possible. wink
                1. fzr1000
                  fzr1000 21 March 2013 13: 59
                  0
                  That's it, stupidly on Wikipedia. Bravo! Bis! The principle of the current scientific approach.
                  And the ancestors of Melnik-Botkin from the peasants, in your opinion, somehow in a different way, unlike the others, received land? A loan secured by family values ​​or a mortgage issued?

                  Once again, learn the basics of logic.

                  And now about the plundered peasantry. If you taught Marxism-Leninism, then you must remember that the proletariat (workers), which "had nothing to lose except their chains," was the main revolutionary. The peasantry, on the contrary, was a reactionary force, since at the time of 1917 it had property. Someone big, someone small.
                  You can also see the number of peasant uprisings since 1918.

                  Hence the second conclusion, learn the history from the source, and not from Wikipedia.
      2. Aleks28
        Aleks28 20 March 2013 11: 00
        +6
        Quote: Papakiko
        Literally 3 opuses and the contents of this article can be calmly forgotten, as well as the article itself.

        Keep good There is nothing new in the article.
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 20 March 2013 12: 19
        +5
        Quote: Papakiko
        Literally 3 opuses and the contents of this article can be calmly forgotten, as well as the article itself.

        I also did not like this person, although I read with interest.
        The enemy, he is the enemy ..... Even if sometimes in the guise of an old sheep .....
        1. Normal
          Normal 20 March 2013 14: 04
          +3
          I also did not like this person

          Similarly.
          Like a snake. Such a beautiful one, all small, shimmers in the sun. Symbol of wisdom again. And all one - the GADINA.
  3. fenix57
    fenix57 20 March 2013 08: 11
    +5
    Hollande is the president of the state in which the law was declared "soddom and gommoru" - somehow reminds a humpback. Breakup is provided, Then they will understand, for them the most important thing is NATO, And ..., THE ARTICLE-MAN KNOWS WHAT HE SAYS. IN THE FIRST LINES THE SPECIAL TELL. hi ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
  4. Vanek
    Vanek 20 March 2013 08: 14
    +7
    By legalizing (allowing) same-sex marriages - they have already killed themselves.
  5. ytqnhfk
    ytqnhfk 20 March 2013 08: 48
    -2
    This eccentric with m in front proved how best to ruin our country. To shoot such, you need a White Guard defector!
    1. Igarr
      Igarr 20 March 2013 09: 32
      +3
      Yes, the thing is different ....
      We also indicate how to break up the States - they don’t shoot us.
      And if it collapsed - the SYSTEM - then it does not cost more.
      Russia, as it was, has remained so. It only squeezed like shagreen skin.
      ..
      Temporarily.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 20 March 2013 10: 26
      +5
      Actually, Mr. Melnik did not "run across" anywhere, but just his grandfather, an outstanding Russian doctor, was shot, and for no reason, to a heap ... By the way, Stalin did this - he shot and transplanted all this pack, which was shooting right and left ... And the fact that he is a great intelligence specialist and a wonderful analyst cannot be taken away from him. Such an opponent is worthy of respect. hi
    3. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2013 10: 55
      0
      The eccentric on m is you. He was born in France, after the revolution. And he writes how to revive Russia now.
  6. DYMITRY
    DYMITRY 20 March 2013 08: 49
    +9
    The man is extraordinary, but in some places there is a feeling that he has already begun senile irreversible brain changes. It often contradicts itself. Either he was a Soviet patriot, then he put a lot of effort into the collapse of the Soviet Union. That Khrushchev is the receiver of Stalin. In general, the confusion is complete. Horses mixed in a bunch, people ... (c)
    1. igordok
      igordok 20 March 2013 09: 24
      +5
      Quote: DYMITRY
      Either he was a Soviet patriot, then he put a lot of effort into the collapse of the Soviet Union.


      The fact of the matter is that in the West they believe that the USSR has collapsed - they have provided us with such a service for which we cannot pay. And this megalomania cannot be knocked out of their heads.

      Article neither + nor -.
    2. Andrey57
      Andrey57 20 March 2013 10: 33
      +3
      There are no old age changes at all, a "Soviet patriot" - for him it is to be Russian and love Russia, the fact that he identified Stalin's successor from newspaper publications alone - this shows that he is a wonderful analyst, but that he is like no one the other contributed to the collapse of the Union - so this suggests that he is a competent professional and an outstanding specialist in intelligence, in a word, a worthy opponent. In addition, it is difficult to accuse him of dislike of communist ideology. And the clarity of his thinking can be envied by many young people, who are engaged in similar work at the present time. So I disagree with your conclusions. hi
    3. Normal
      Normal 20 March 2013 14: 10
      +2
      DYMITRY

      The first time in all time I completely agree with you
      1. DYMITRY
        DYMITRY 20 March 2013 15: 10
        +2
        Quote: Normal
        The first time in all time I completely agree with you

        laughing it scares me! laughing hi
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 March 2013 15: 22
          +2
          Quote: DYMITRY
          it scares me!

          Do not be alarmed, Dima is a temporary phenomenon, before that about contemporary Russian reality. hi
  7. Goga
    Goga 20 March 2013 08: 58
    +8
    Grandfather, of course, still that shot, but he assesses many things correctly and most importantly - the quote - "There will be no salvation in the West" - I really want this idea to reach the leadership of our country as soon as possible, otherwise they all repeat like a mantra - "European Russia country ... ", if only they looked at how much of our country is in Europe, and how much in Asia ...
  8. avt
    avt 20 March 2013 09: 01
    +3
    The Vatican has no intelligence ?! Lies. And it’s impudently lying!
    Quote: fenix57
    THE ARTICLE-MAN KNOWS WHAT HE SAYS. IN THE FIRST LINES THE SPECIAL TELL.

    You should never take the words of such people for granted. There is always a double, triple bottom. Yes, he knows what he is saying and why. But the question is different, but does the interlocutor know why he is saying this?
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2013 10: 56
      +1
      Any scout always has a double bottom, regardless of nationality.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 March 2013 13: 26
      +2
      Quote: avt
      The Vatican has no intelligence ?! Lying

      Naturally lying. The Vatican is a cesspool, it is an ideological center, covered by a religious shell, a rich organization cooperating with the largest world financial centers of the District of Columbia, the City of London, a win-win exchange game, blue chips, the British monarchist family, Masonic organizations in the USA, England, France , Order of Malta. All are links of the same chain.
  9. Egoza
    Egoza 20 March 2013 09: 03
    +4
    That's how you read it and think about it. Maybe it's time to conduct a study "The role of the Russian person in the development of European countries"?
    Good article and brilliant analysis.
  10. Igarr
    Igarr 20 March 2013 09: 28
    +1
    I really liked the interview.
    Especially this - ".. The Russian person himself has a specific spirit: he is interested in other countries. And the Frenchman is only interested in himself ..."
    ..
    Therefore, we have a mess in Russia. Because we are ready to be interested in anything and anyone, to wipe the hogs of each Hottentot - but we ourselves will live in a barn. And they hate us - we are hardened.
    ..
    There is a gap from the realities of Russia, of course. But - the person Konstantin Konstantinovich - according to the above, I liked.
    God bless him ..
  11. savoj
    savoj 20 March 2013 09: 50
    +2
    .... It is necessary that the whole people rise to the cause of their development, but it is difficult .....
    There is no people .... there is a Kremlin with billionaires-millionaires and people, and between them there is corruption. Most people are indifferent to their country, and most simply hate it. The rest stuck to the pipe with hydrocarbon and live one day for themselves licking the Kremlin’s ass.
  12. zao74
    zao74 20 March 2013 10: 13
    +1
    An interesting fate in humans.
  13. IRBIS
    IRBIS 20 March 2013 10: 17
    +4
    About the Vatican and its lack of intelligence.
    "... a separate Vatican order, whose members, being formally monks, the so-called numberrarians, can maintain their alibis, even by marrying and living a normal life. The leadership of the Order, the Surnumerarii, conduct financial transactions, as well as collect information around the world."

    And this is not called intelligence? Sly, grandpa ... The Vatican, according to information received, has the most knowledgeable intelligence in the world, because all Catholics work for it, sometimes without realizing it. The old man has many more interesting points, but one thought passes by as a red thread - he is an ardent anti-Soviet, worthy of extortion of the French republic of those distant years when France was one of the countries that nurtured Hitler to crush the USSR.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2013 12: 38
      +1
      In fact, he is a direct embodiment of the old Russian proverb - "Where he was born, he fit there." And then the fosterling? Speak with some old agitation. Still, you need to somehow develop or something.
  14. amp
    amp 20 March 2013 10: 20
    +1
    Yes, Loos is only the time when France (like all of Western Europe) ceases to exist.

    And for those who say that Europe has been decaying for a long time and not decompose in any way, I’ll say that for history there are several decades, which is several hours for a person.
  15. Slav
    Slav 20 March 2013 11: 39
    +2
    Thanks to the author!
    Once again I am convinced that education is the first thing.
    He was born and lived all his life abroad, but remained a Russian person.
    I didn’t even change my last name.
  16. Uncle
    Uncle 20 March 2013 12: 01
    -1
    I believed that communism was not an ideology similar to Nazism, but a real new religion Well said, God was replaced by Lenin.
    All the misfortunes of Russia begin in the 17th year.
    The only person, paradoxically, who built Russia, is still Stalin. It is strange that he does not understand that Stalin grew up from 17, he is the very revolutionary.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2013 12: 33
      +4
      Stalin built Russia not because he was a "revolutionary since 1917" (by the way, not from 17, but earlier), but because he ceased to be. He stopped believing in the World Revolution, unlike these Trotskys, Zinovievs and others. And he started doing business inside the country.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 20 March 2013 13: 05
        +1
        Quote: fzr1000
        because he stopped being them

        I agree, even exterminated this evil.
  17. valokordin
    valokordin 20 March 2013 12: 25
    +2
    I feel sorry for Shebarshin, probably his honest KGB soul could not stand comparison with another KGB soul. Eternal memory to him, and as for the author of the article, he is a real White émigré White Guard, he is not a friend of the Soviet people, but he is a friend of the current government. You see how he shits on the country that smart people are gone after 17, attributing this opinion to Shebarshin. These not smart people raised the country in all respects, although they paid tribute to Stalin, unlike the liberals. He regrets how difficult it is for V.V. For Putin, and what is difficult for Vladimir Vladimirovich to say: Serdyuk and Ryzhy are in prison, instead of "now not 37 years old." The people would give him a standing ovation. And it would not be worth so caring for the stolen billions in the Cypriot offshore, they are not ours anyway.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 20 March 2013 12: 31
      +2
      He was born in France after the Civil War. What a .. White Guard? "Devastation is in the heads ..." the ageless truth about us.
    2. Genur
      Genur 20 March 2013 19: 21
      0
      And who helped to remove Rokhlin? This dark business has not yet been investigated ...
  18. georg737577
    georg737577 20 March 2013 13: 36
    +3
    The hero of the article constantly associates Russia with Putin. I do not think this is correct. The homeland and the government are completely different things, children need to be taught this, starting from the elementary grades ...
    1. DYMITRY
      DYMITRY 20 March 2013 15: 13
      0
      For him, the Motherland-France.
  19. fzr1000
    fzr1000 20 March 2013 14: 20
    +2
    Quote: valokordin
    It’s just how he spoils the country that there were no smart people after 17, attributing this opinion to Shebarshin. These not smart people raised the country in every way,

    By the way, you never wondered what would happen to the country if only the February Revolution of 1917 happened? How many people now lived with us and what was its quality?

    The simple fact is that we have those missiles that are, thanks to the fact that the Queen was not shot, but sent to the Kolyma, he did not die there, although his health was undermined and the conditions were very difficult, then again he was lucky that he did not freeze and did not died of hunger on the way back, when he was called back, and half-dead ended up in the hospital, and did not make it to the last steamer to the mainland "Indigirka", which then sank. Just think about the chain of these accidents, because it could all end in Kolyma! This not normal.

    And Langemak was shot. And this, by the way, is one of the creators of the Katyusha.

    Such a life ...
  20. radio operator
    radio operator 20 March 2013 14: 32
    0
    The amazing fate of an amazing person.
    I largely agree with his assessment.
    Stalin really stopped, unlike Khrushchev, pushing the country into the abyss of the world revolution, and was engaged in the modernization of the country. Moreover, during the Second World War, Stalin became a Russian chauvinist. Shorthand of one of Stalin's toast at a banquet in honor of the victory over Germany in 1945:
    "Comrades, let me raise one more last toast. I would like
    raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian
    of the people (present with enthusiastic applause and shouts of "Hurray"
    met these words).
    I drink, first of all, for the health of the Russian people because he
    is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up
    Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because he
    in this war earned general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet
    Union, among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to Russian health
    people, not only because he is the leading people, but also because he
    has a clear mind, steadfast character and patience. "
  21. radio operator
    radio operator 20 March 2013 14: 41
    +2
    The amazing fate of an amazing person.
    I largely agree with his assessment.
    Stalin really stopped, unlike Khrushchev, pushing the country into the abyss of the world revolution, and was engaged in the modernization of the country. Moreover, during the Second World War, Stalin became a Russian chauvinist. Shorthand of one of the toasts delivered by Stalin at a banquet in honor of the victory over Germany in 1945:
    "Comrades, let me raise one more last toast. I would like
    raise a toast to the health of our Soviet people and, above all, the Russian
    of the people (present with enthusiastic applause and shouts of "Hurray"
    met these words).
    I drink, first of all, for the health of the Russian people because he
    is the most outstanding nation of all the nations that make up
    Soviet Union. I raise a toast to the health of the Russian people because he
    in this war earned general recognition as the leading force of the Soviet
    Union, among all the peoples of our country. I raise a toast to Russian health
    people, not only because he is the leading people, but also because he
    has a clear mind, steadfast character and patience. "
  22. vezunchik
    vezunchik 20 March 2013 15: 10
    +1
    There will be no salvation in the West. If you want, look at Greece, Spain, Italy, and tomorrow at France! The Russians need to understand that they need to fight, as during the Great Patriotic War! All the people must rise to the cause of their development, but this is difficult.
    GOLD WORDS! How many times has Russia saved her - and so what ??
  23. Black
    Black 20 March 2013 15: 47
    0
    I liked the interview. Not everything in Botkin’s words is logical, but I think. such interviews are useful, they give one more opportunity to see oneself from the outside and from the inside.
    Liked about intelligence paths:
    It should go through diplomacy, economic assistance and impact on the local education system.
    In relation to what is happening with the system of our education, I wonder whose agents are in our ministry.

    About their dislike.
    He, as a Russian, living, due to circumstances, in a foreign country, of course wants them to love us, well, him, his children. Therefore, and pedals to it.
    And to me, as it is strongly parallel and about the "pliers" I remember.

    I liked his vision of our problems. And the fact that the main one is corruption.

    Do not understand. How did French intelligence work so skillfully during the Second World War? Intelligence of a non-existent state and army is somehow surreal.
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 21 March 2013 14: 11
      0
      There was de Gaulle's government in exile in England. There was also the Office of Special Operations, which maintained contact with the Resistance in France.