During Operation Cloud Pillar, Israel was able to intercept only 5% of rockets fired from Gaza

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During Operation Cloud Pillar, Israel was able to intercept only 5% of rockets fired from Gaza


According to IDF statistics, during Operation Cloud Pillar, 84% of the rockets fired from Gaza were shot down. However, experts, having studied the data on the work of the “Iron Dome”, concluded that the effectiveness of this system is much lower.

Using standards and evaluations of missile defense systems for medium and long-range missiles, when a successful interception is considered to be the destruction of a warhead, experts said that the effectiveness of the Iron Dome was only 5%.

That was the conclusion of the American missile defense system specialist Theodor Postol, the Israeli Mordechai Schaefer from the Rafael Armament Development Authority company producing the Rafael Derby missiles, and also the employee of the Raytheon military corporation, the manufacturer of the Patriot missiles. (The latter wished to remain anonymous).

According to the Israeli edition of Haaretz, three scientists conducted research independently of each other, analyzing dozens of videos taken during the operation. They all agreed that most of the explosions, which looked like a successful interception, in fact turned out to be self-destruction of the “Iron Dome” missiles. Scientists note that the fireball appearing after the explosions during the day and the cloud of smoke at night always had a round symmetrical shape.
In the case of successful interception and destruction of warheads of other missiles, the flame has completely different contours.

In addition, experts noted a strange phenomenon. The Iron Dome rockets passed an identical trajectory, after which they blew up almost at the same time. On some shots, you can see how they make a sharp turn before the explosion. According to the expert, the air defense system cannot “remember” that the rocket must turn in the direction of the enemy a quarter of a second before self-destruction. The specialists had the impression that the trajectory of the “Iron Dome” guns was programmed in advance.

In many cases, Israeli air defense missiles are falling and, as it were, behind the Palestinian ones. In this scenario, the likelihood that the interceptor can approach a close distance and hit weapon the enemy is very small. In order for the operation to succeed, the rocket must take a trajectory that would lead to a direct hit, or at least to an acute angle.

Scientists also point to 3200 reports on damage to Israeli territories. According to the IDF, the entire 58 Palestinian missiles reached the Israeli lands, but such a small number could not have caused such large-scale destruction.
Experts compared the damage during Operation Cloud Post to what was caused during the Gulf War or the Second Lebanon War. They doubted that the number of missiles that had not been intercepted by Israel that had fallen in densely populated areas was exactly what they were presented with.
The Israeli police reported 109 incidents of Palestinian missiles falling, which is almost twice the number voiced by the IDF.

The conclusions of experts cast a shadow over the reports of the Israel Defense Forces on the success of the operation. They should not be ignored, especially if we take into account the realities of the Persian Gulf War: then the initial reports stated that the Patriot missiles shot down 96% of enemy warheads. Later it turned out that this figure was almost zero.
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  1. Fox
    +13
    14 March 2013 07: 48
    we are waiting for the refutation of the "Euggean" comrades! Well, start an advertising campaign about the Israeli miracle weapon!
    1. -9
      14 March 2013 08: 05
      Quote: Fox
      we are waiting for the refutation of the "Euggean" comrades! Well, start an advertising campaign about the Israeli miracle weapon!

      My city was not under fire, but if you go to the Russian-language sites of Ashdod, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva, then I think they will explain to you why in Israel after the publication of this article in "Haaretz" and on TV, the general reaction was like: "to fools to be offended not to respect yourself. "
      1. AlexW
        +10
        14 March 2013 08: 19
        Quote: Aaron Zawi

        My city was not under fire, but if you go to the Russian-language sites of Ashdod, Ashkelon and Beer Sheva, then I think they will explain to you why in Israel after the publication of this article in "Haaretz" and on TV, the general reaction was like: "to fools to be offended not to respect yourself. "

        We also have a lot of such sites, "guskopeakie", which constantly explain to us something - "Gazeta-I lie", "A brand new newspaper", "An ear is there for something", etc. They are not friendly with facts, it does not matter , the main thing is persistent and emotional fellow
      2. +3
        14 March 2013 13: 50
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        take offense at fools

        And why did the Indians refuse to buy the "iron dome" after having used the sample for a month? According to their reports, the efficiency of the complex is no more than 30%. This is also nonsense and do not be offended by the Indians too?
    2. +4
      14 March 2013 08: 12
      Oh! Sly girl - these statistics ... wink
      Of course, to me, as a balm for the soul, it would be that these statistics are incontrovertible and objective, but there are other statistics - more detailed ...
      It is said that
      84% of missiles fired from Gaza were shot down. but this figure requires clarification. Each side considers its own way.
      The Israelis believe that 84% of the missiles were shot down, the trajectory of which could actually hit real targets, and those that flew to blow up bushes and trees - good luck - the Kupol did not react to them, calculating the trajectory. And this statistics should be treated with no less respect than the one that speaks of the entire mass of rockets fired from Gaza. And we should not forget that the number of launches should, ideally, correspond to the number of objects affected.
      Details, details, gentlemen ...
      1. +6
        14 March 2013 08: 26
        I agree with the statistics, but the article contains not only statistics, but also the opinions of some Western experts about the self-destruction of missiles in the air. For objectivity, I want to know if anyone commented on these examples from experts from Israel?
        As:
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        the general reaction was like: "to be offended by fools, do not respect yourself."

        cannot be a particularly objective and competent answer regarding the operation of air defense systems.
        1. +4
          14 March 2013 18: 13
          There is such a Jewish theory - "Relativity", according to it, if we find ourselves in a black hole, then time, space and statistics of LCD hits will be equal to 84%, and in our measurement specialists, incl. Israelis say about 5% of the gesheft, which is not such a bad income in the banking business.
      2. 0
        14 March 2013 15: 07
        The Israelis believe that 84% of the missiles that trajectory could really hit real targets were shot down

        The Israeli population density makes any missile flying over the territory really dangerous. How did the Iron Dome recognize the target of the rocket? I think nothing. They shot down what they managed, that's all.
    3. +1
      14 March 2013 10: 00
      oh, Jews, Jews, again, they lie))) they say they beat all the rockets ...
  2. Fox
    +5
    14 March 2013 08: 16
    quote = Aron Zaavi] My city was not under fire [/ quote]
    I myself have not seen, but the brother of my friend knows one person who spoke with an eyewitness .... Is there a SPECIFIC?
  3. -1
    14 March 2013 08: 20
    "We are waiting for the refutation of the" Eugene "comrades! Well, start an advertising campaign about the Israeli miracle weapon!"
    If you like shelling of civilians with rockets, then you only need to sympathize. For me, these Palestinian Arabs are no different from Syrian militants
    1. +7
      14 March 2013 08: 35
      Well, here, probably, both warring parties have examples of terrorism. Just one side kills the military and civilians with the help of improvised explosive devices, suicide bombers and improvised missiles due to the inability to fight with more expensive and advanced weapons. And the other one kills the same terrorists and civilians with the help of high-precision missiles and modern equipment, while informing via SMS that a rocket will fly into your window now.
  4. +3
    14 March 2013 08: 29
    "Using standards and assessments of missile defense systems for medium and long-range missiles, when a successful interception is considered to be the destruction of a warhead."
    It seems that they intercepted ICBMs. smile It has been written more than once that only targets representing a real threat to the protected objects were fired. In general, I had an opinion on the iron dome: some shot somewhere (without aiming), others intercepted something (that they could) - everyone is happy.
  5. +2
    14 March 2013 08: 40
    The easiest way is to give an estimate based on data on the number of Kassam rockets that exploded (which didn’t hit a stone) within the city limits leading to the destruction of buildings and deaths. And as already there a missile defense exploded, with which flame or smoke it does not matter at all ...
  6. biglow
    +4
    14 March 2013 08: 56
    in general, Israelis should be glad that rockets from water pipes simply cannot be accurate. and all of their hits are random.
  7. +3
    14 March 2013 09: 08
    gentlemen from Israel will answer two questions on the LCD
    What was the channel for escort
    and for goals.
  8. +3
    14 March 2013 09: 11
    only Soviet-Russian weapons, only it can be most effective with the rest of the brain is not enough to do better
  9. +1
    14 March 2013 09: 30
    It would be curious to see what Israel would have been if instead of the Palestinians' co-modelers, the shells fired by "Smerch and Tornodo"
    1. -4
      14 March 2013 09: 58
      In this case, in the place from which the missiles were launched, there would be a radioactive desert
      1. +3
        14 March 2013 15: 50
        Quote: Dangerous
        In this case, in the place from which the missiles were launched, there would be a radioactive desert


        And at the same time, in Israel itself, at least everyone would have lost their teeth and hair. here the dentists would be rich. Hiroshima in Gaza is a slow death for Israel, think what you are talking about.
  10. 0
    14 March 2013 09: 34
    85 - 87% probably not from all launches of the Palestinians, but from launches of interceptor missiles. The article writes about 3200 damage reports, which does not correspond not to the number of launches of pallets, not to the number of losses, according to the wiki "During the four days of the military operation 760 missiles fell on Israel" is somehow incomparable with 3200. Most likely the truth is in the middle. Or maybe it is, they shot at what they could intercept or managed to spot. Then the costs must be justified. At the same time, it is beneficial for the Palestinians to increase the number of their losses, and for the Israelis to reduce their number.
    1. seed
      0
      14 March 2013 10: 13
      "It is beneficial for the Palestinians to increase the number of their losses, and for the Israelis to reduce their number."

      Apparently we will never know the exact information. After the Second World War, we still cannot figure out who has any losses on airplanes, etc.
  11. AK-47
    +1
    14 March 2013 10: 09
    If the memory does not fail as a result of Palestinian shelling, not a single Israeli was injured, which means that the missile defense system is working successfully. The main safety of people.
  12. +2
    14 March 2013 10: 46
    ahahaha, and who doubted? soldier
  13. +1
    14 March 2013 16: 24
    In connection with the sequestration of the military budget, the Americans decided to hold on to the financial assistance promised earlier by Obama for the development of the housing complex, especially after the Indians sent to hell (and the South Caucasus was also thoughtful), as a result, a cash-draw on this became impossible. And if there is no gesheft, why spend the extra money, it’s better to build a hundred extra bunkers and give out more gas masks to the people.

    According to Theodore Postol, the Israeli authorities intentionally overestimated these statistics in order to avoid the continuation of this military conflict, which is very costly for both the Israeli and the Palestinian side. However, in the future, according to the expert, such a deception may lead to sad results, in particular, "unjustified waste of limited defense assets", including financial assistance provided by the US government to support the defense sector in Israel.
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    and more

    However, he emphasizes that he has "unpleasant feelings" when he sees that USA who financed the creation of the Iron Dome missile defense system, "spent money on a system that works with grief in half."
    link


    That's where the key phrase is. where the whole dog is buried.

    And about the LCD topic is already sore. “Sparrow cannon shooting” is a very common entertainment among all nations, not only among Jews.
    But why did he suddenly feel sorry for the money (680 million dollars if I am not mistaken) to Israel because they could not sell to the side, having compensated for the losses with large contracts. Americans just do not give money either. they will probably require access to all technologies in return, and if there is no access, then there will be no money.
  14. +3
    14 March 2013 17: 46
    Apparently "to get" and "to destroy" are not synonyms for LCD, and how can you destroy a water pipe - it will still fly by inertia where it was sent. smile
    1. 0
      14 March 2013 22: 09
      Quote: Locksmith
      Apparently "to get" and "to destroy" are not synonyms for LCD, and how can you destroy a water pipe - it will still fly by inertia where it was sent. smile

      Have you ever tried to search on the Internet what is in service with Hamas? Information on the Internet is the sea.
      1. +1
        15 March 2013 00: 20
        Quote: Aron Zaavi

        Have you ever tried to search on the Internet what is in service with Hamas? Information on the Internet is the sea.

        Yes, there’s nothing worthwhile there, sheer home-made, but all kinds of junk.
  15. Mironk
    -3
    14 March 2013 20: 55
    How it is necessary to hate us to write such nonsense! Honestly, Slavs, you are simply jealous - in Russia there is nothing like Zh.K. no, and it won’t, so you are angry, looking for all kinds of moronic fabrications of dubious authorities! And this is despite the fact that the whole world has seen on the air repeatedly repeatedly the complete destruction of a rocket salvo from Gaza in the sky of Israel. Do you think that this is computer graphics? Well, God will judge you .....
    1. +1
      14 March 2013 22: 04
      Quote: MironK
      How it is necessary to hate us to write such nonsense! Honestly, Slavs, you are simply jealous - in Russia there is nothing like Zh.K. no and never will ....

      Miron, the point is that the Russian Federation does not need such systems, in principle, for example, Israel does not need large ships, and Finland has mountain-infantry units. Each country has specific threats and each solves them with the instrument that it considers the most appropriate. Well, and instead of serious discussion of such an interesting topic as tactical missile defense and LCD in particular, everything turned into another inter-militant on the justification of the Jews, so what can you do?
      1. +5
        14 March 2013 22: 55
        Firstly, men, earlier, when they were trying to seriously discuss this interesting topic, our Israeli comrades had categorical answers akin to fanatical faith and infallibility of the ZhK, etc., with a parallel use of Russian weapons, and now a little banter has started. Do not take it to heart and take it with humor, and the very idea of ​​LCD is very interesting, especially when you consider that it is at the height of high technology. But the very sense of spending a "smart" and expensive missile on flying sewer pipes or, again, inexpensive MLRS rounds, is initially flawed, especially during the financial crisis. The problem has been posed, but not yet resolved.
        1. +3
          15 March 2013 01: 35
          Quote: hrych
          First of all, men, when they were trying to seriously discuss this interesting topic, our Israeli comrades had categorical answers akin to the fanatic faith and infallibility of the LCD, etc., with the parallel rubbing of Russian weapons, and now a small banter has gone.


          Yes, already tired of seriously discussing. How long to. The system was originally created solely to combat low-speed targets flying along a ballistic trajectory. Now it needs modernization and it needs money. and Americans don’t want to give money therefore and write articles that the system is gamut. What is incomprehensible here?
      2. +2
        15 March 2013 01: 44
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        Well, and instead of serious discussion of such an interesting topic as tactical missile defense and LCD in particular, everything turned into another inter-militant on the justification of the Jews, so what can you do?


        Be not afraid of those who openly tell you how you say about == um, but those who compliment you and smile flatteringly. it is these who become the most intoxicated xenophobes. And further Fear Danians bringing gifts.
    2. +1
      15 March 2013 00: 42
      Quote: MironK
      the world has seen live repeatedly the complete destruction of a rocket salvo from Gaza in the sky of Israel

      A good salvo of the Smerch battalion (God forbid, of course. This is me as an example) and your LCD will not do anything, or will you argue? And on the flying sewers, yes, but here the costs do not justify the achieved goal.