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In the Urals, a soldier was accidentally shot from a tank; he survived with terrible wounds.

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In the infamous Elan garrison in the Urals, a grenade fired from a draftee a tank. The incident happened after night exercises, and tank commander Dmitry Otstavnykh did not check if there was anyone on the armor when he discharged his car.

Outside was a driver Raushan Fatikhov, who received a ruptured spleen, crush kidney, intra-abdominal bleeding and experienced acute blood loss, ITAR-TASS reports.

The victim was taken to a military hospital, where he was operated on. Doctors have assured Life News that Fatikhov has a chance of recovery.

On the tank commander Retired investigators opened a case of violation of the rules of treatment of weapons and objects of increased danger to others.

Note that there are many tragic stories about soldiers and officers of the Elansky garrison. So, 24-year-old private Dmitry Bogoderov from this garrison was treated for antritis. When he began to faint in the ranks and lose memory, he was hospitalized. It turned out that he has brain cancer.

The loudest state of emergency was the death of ordinary Ruslan Aiderkhanov. The conscript killed 31 August 2011 of the year - he was found hanging from a tree. Examination of the body showed that he died as a result of suicide. But Ayderkhanov's relatives did not believe in this version - they told about numerous injuries on his body. The investigators explained that the knife wounds were incisions from the autopsy, and the abrasions on the face and hands were due to convulsions when hanging from strikes against the knots of the tree. In July, the case of the death of a soldier was closed.
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  1. Krsk
    Krsk 13 February 2013 18: 08
    +31
    Hold on boy
    1. Alexander
      Alexander 13 February 2013 18: 39
      -4
      But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2013 18: 41
        +36
        Quote: Alexander
        But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.


        Che scared? so you’ll check yourself what kind of officer it will turn out of you.
      2. mehanik27
        mehanik27 13 February 2013 18: 42
        +35
        In the third year, you need to think more about school, rather than surf the Internet and think where to send
        1. Alexander
          Alexander 13 February 2013 18: 52
          -6
          Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones. In winter, they suffer from pneumonia with whole copuses, and indeed the Elan part is such an alternative to the railway troops (maybe you will understand what I'm hinting at).
          1. TUNISIA
            TUNISIA 13 February 2013 19: 01
            +20
            Quote: Alexander
            Do you even know what conditions there are?

            Fighter, why did you choose a military university? Conditions, you say? I just started to study, but already in my pants I applied it, I was afraid of pneumonia. Go and serve, once you have chosen a profession for yourself!
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 February 2013 19: 38
              +5
              Quote: TUNISIA
              Fighter, why did you choose a military university?

              To overcome difficulties for the sake of difficulties themselves? It doesn’t matter.
            2. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 13 February 2013 21: 10
              +7
              Quote: TUNISIA
              Fighter, why did you choose a military university?

              Well, to get a tower for free, and I’m not sick of a scholarship either. And after graduation, you can get the hell out of us. We haven’t come up with a law on this subject. In this part, you can serve many people. Have you heard anything about Borzyu?
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 13 February 2013 22: 22
                +4
                Quote: ramzes1776
                In this part, it’s still possible to serve many people for happiness. Have you heard anything about Borzyu?

                "... threatening China with gonorrhea,
                The beautiful Borzya is standing. "
                What is wrong with the Borzoi?
                Oh, youth! Drinking beer on a Sunday with Borzya in Chita was a sweet deal laughing
                And what kind of cakes were made in the Nadezhda cafe near the station ?!
                But Borzya was almost a capital, however! There were also "more fun" places. For example, URs of the 1st and 2nd lines. Have you been to Borz for a long time?
                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 14 February 2013 03: 26
                  +4
                  Quote: c1n7
                  Have you been in Borzoi for a long time?

                  It was a driveway in 2011. The ruins of his town sfotkal. Troops only in Borz and remained.
                  I fly there from 1999 to 2002. he served in Sherlova Gora almost to the chaos of the local population, and then transferred the base to Drovyanaya. We were scared by 71 patrols at the school, and got to 79 laughing I was in Billutue, Dosatue, Bezrechka, Mirnaya, Yasnaya and in many other "outstanding" places. We were told that whoever served on Manzhurka will not be afraid of anything in his future service. drinks
                  1. ramzes1776
                    ramzes1776 14 February 2013 03: 30
                    +3
                    And these are the remnants of our town, where films about the war can be made. So throughout Manzhurka.
            3. wave
              wave 13 February 2013 22: 27
              -3
              How old are you, 13 years old? You are aware of the fact that if you told him that while looking into his eyes, you would instantly get in the teeth ...?! You showed disrespect to a stranger, because you know that you are in the shadows and no one here sees or knows you. It's not masculine. Moreover, you are rolling to the rank of "TROLL", not a major! Rip off his pagons and place the TROLL badge
              1. mehanik27
                mehanik27 13 February 2013 22: 32
                +5
                In my opinion you are raving ... laughing
                1. ramzes1776
                  ramzes1776 14 February 2013 04: 47
                  +1
                  Quote: mehanik27
                  In my opinion you are raving ...

                  In a difficult stage ... laughing
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 13 February 2013 19: 03
            +20
            Quote: Alexander
            Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones.


            Brother, why did you go to serve. They can even send to war.
          3. ziqzaq
            ziqzaq 13 February 2013 20: 32
            +13
            Quote: Alexander

            Do you even know what conditions there are?

            Just do not la la. Turned the army into the institute of noble maids ...
            In our company, next to the daytime thermometer, it was hanging and God forbid it shows less than +15, the outfit dies, and in the barracks a glass of water was frozen through by morning. The one who on the bedside table every 5-10 minutes warmed his breath (in the sense of a thermometer).
            At first, almost everyone was a little sick, but then - even if you sleep in the snow ....
            "The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he feeds on moss and sleeps while standing up !!!", and now he is also resistant to artillery ...
            The kid is certainly sorry, hold on bro !!
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 13 February 2013 20: 59
              +8
              I agree with you on 400 percent !!! And how are they going to survive in the field / mountains? But now you can sleep in the snow ... (I am to myself) To each his own ...
              A mess must be eradicated! And it's commanders !!! And if there a gang of watering can wound up then the snakes must be tough and strict! And when the prosecutor starts doing business, oh how snot will flow, and not only snot!
          4. Uncle
            Uncle 13 February 2013 21: 33
            +9
            Quote: Alexander
            this is such an alternative to the railway troops (maybe you will understand what I'm hinting at).
            I served in them, like a building battalion, only with weapons. Do not bzdi, you will survive.
          5. s1н7т
            s1н7т 13 February 2013 22: 15
            +9
            Quote: Alexander
            In winter, they suffer from pneumonia with whole copuses,

            Tank ?! laughing

            Quote: Alexander
            Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones.

            I was there on the 4th internship in an infantry regiment. The walls in the barracks were covered with ice from the inside. We slept in clothes, covering everything with what is possible. At -45 field output is normal laughing
            But no one "pinched" the BMP, if it was necessary to drive to the village for vodka laughing
            By the way, the champion of the Armed Forces driving a BMP, Captain J., I had a company there.
            The most vivid impression was that I went at night in an infantry fighting vehicle to drive around the neighborhood, an hour later the electrician "grunted". night, winter, blizzard - where to go ?! And at 6 am our train left. Nothing, not frozen. And did not get sick laughing
            Not "minus", I just laugh at the current generation! laughing laughing laughing
          6. Slevinst
            Slevinst 14 February 2013 09: 26
            0
            I served in the railway forces, there’s nothing terrible, a shovel is the worst weapon
      3. Civil
        Civil 13 February 2013 19: 59
        +3
        like this Ruslan was beating his face against a bitch:



        so he beat his back against a tree:



        and this he kicked off the pathologist:

        1. Piterkras
          Piterkras 13 February 2013 20: 19
          +1
          Apparently, you hardly saw the corpses of gallows, which hung for a long time on a tree. From the wind, and it doesn’t. Google - learn a lot.
          1. Rudakov
            Rudakov 13 February 2013 20: 47
            +3
            they beat him with a belt, traces of a buckle. the beast
        2. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 February 2013 21: 14
          +10
          But the fact that you publish a photo of this guy is at least not ethical, and you can at least slip on your tongue, but somehow it’s wrong ... These photos should in fact lie and not be publicly posted ... Hypocrite ...
          1. Uncle
            Uncle 13 February 2013 21: 37
            0
            Quote: klimpopov
            These photos should be in the business and not publicly posted ..

            Society has the right to draw its own conclusions. I do not believe the press, a complete distortion of the facts. Although the photos did not give me anything, I am not an expert.
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 13 February 2013 21: 47
              +10
              It’s just not ethical and it’s not the media that you think about relatives. How many photos will they walk on the net? This is flour for the mother, she already buried him and then they pull him out and all over again ....
              1. Piterkras
                Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 05
                +3
                His mother did not seem to have been. Only aunt. So this aunt also not laid out such photos of the corpse.
                1. klimpopov
                  klimpopov 13 February 2013 22: 10
                  +9
                  Well then, at least treat the guy normally ... Maybe we’ll publish pictures from Rostov refrigerators, with the mutilated corpses of the Boys (the cars there have stood on sidings for such a long time)? I didn’t want to say this ...
                  There is no more of him ... But who should do this is known ... I am not an advocate of piety and morality, but still
                  1. Elliot
                    Elliot 13 February 2013 22: 32
                    +3
                    I think so too, I don’t think that such photos should be put on public display, in general. And especially to post here who wants to find
        3. Shoma-1970
          Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 22: 15
          +2
          YES ..... YOU PUT SUCH A PHOTO FOR REVIEW, I can’t look at it, I’m tired already, stop it !!!
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 13 February 2013 22: 53
            +4
            Shoma-1970,

            A veiled mat ... until an oral reprimand stop
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 13 February 2013 22: 58
              +4
              The ascetic salute himself almost broke.
            2. Shoma-1970
              Shoma-1970 14 February 2013 01: 18
              0
              Ascetic:
              I'm sorry comrade marshal! request
        4. wave
          wave 13 February 2013 22: 19
          +6
          Why are you posting such material. And if it were you ...?! Would you be pleased to know that anyone who wants to have access to photos of your disfigured corpse, and the ability to publish them anywhere? The skin you are soulless!
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 13 February 2013 22: 43
            +2
            You said correctly, I tried with restraint, but I want to swear ...
          2. Civil
            Civil 14 February 2013 08: 40
            0
            costs of work, professional deformation of the personality, sometimes in order to stop relapses of such acts, it will be more correct to lay out the possible consequences of unmotivated aggression!
      4. vilenich
        vilenich 13 February 2013 22: 23
        +6
        Quote: Alexander
        But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.

        That's great, gain experience, help the commanders fight against instability, implement strict security measures!
        I wish you success!
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 22: 27
          +2
          I’ll continue the logical chain --- you will grow dirty from fear, you will get drunk double bass in the face (there’s no grandfather already, so we improvise) and then quickly get out of the military school and pay a penalty for training wassat
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 13 February 2013 23: 03
            +2
            I have never heard that a penalty is required to pay anyone
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 05
              0
              I will not argue about whether there is a penalty or not, although some heralds of the Serdyukov reform in those days, they gladly shouted that it is now. Although I look on the Internet in legal forums, many turn to lawyers for a problem that they expelled either themselves expelled and they receive papers demanding to pay different nth amounts
            2. Lopatov
              Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 06
              0
              But everyone was going to introduce this norm from the beginning of the 90s, no less.
            3. mehanik27
              mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 15
              0
              Well, if you haven’t heard, this does not mean that you don’t. Catch a reference about a cadet Kamenev that owes the state 400 thousand

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              1. Mikado
                Mikado 14 February 2013 00: 26
                0
                is it rather an exception to the rule, only 7 lawsuits? and how many cadets were expelled for the entire time or were expelled without paying the penalty? 7 suits is a drop in the ocean. We had a lot of people leaving the "connection", none of them paid, although before leaving, many were frightened by these penalties. A good friend studied at the Academy of Space Forces near Moscow, said that they had half a platoon expelled in their fourth years and no one paid. For some reason MinOb is not very willing to do this, and if it does it only on camera, it's strange.
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 31
                  0
                  What year was it that you were talking about ??? I studied at the end of the 90s, we were also constantly scared, but there were never any precedents. And the payment of forfeits has only now begun to be practiced.
                  1. Mikado
                    Mikado 14 February 2013 07: 31
                    0
                    It was in 2007 - 2009.
                    1. mehanik27
                      mehanik27 14 February 2013 12: 00
                      0
                      Well, everything is clear, in 2007-2009 everything was still the old way, they began to practice forfeits since 2010, as in the case that I brought.
          2. sergo0000
            sergo0000 13 February 2013 23: 23
            +6
            mehanik27,
            Why pay!? Will do it. He will receive a lieutenant. 2-3 years old he will be in office and with a clear conscience who has given a debt to his homeland citizen, quit family! And there the path to the civil service is open and God forbid in politics! wink But how do you want me to be wrong! recourse
            In general, this mess in the army, a mirror image of what is happening in our society! The commanders do not play the fighters until the seventh or twenty-seventh sweat, a buffet, an afternoon nap, cell phones, all this does not help to maintain and maintain discipline. A lot of free time, the absence of punishment in the form of a "lip" - corrupts young organisms.
            It's another matter when a soldier is chased during the day so that he can only dream about the end of the day, then there will be no thoughts of how to beat someone! Liberalism in the army is a grief first of all for the fighter himself. Thank God that he was born. before the current mess and to their commanders, that for some 2 years they made me a real junior commander and a cool special-that "master"! Do not believe me guys, after a year of service I was in the position of a castle and a foreman of a tank company! Where are the officers and commanders of that level of training!? Or maybe then people went to the army by vocation and the officers became the chosen ones !? request
            Peace be upon the dead boy! Actually, a photo of a dead body on the Internet is beyond my comprehension!
            1. klimpopov
              klimpopov 13 February 2013 23: 29
              +5
              Those commanders are now retired ... One is lying on the sofa at home ... I speak for the father of sense ...
            2. mehanik27
              mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 38
              +1
              Well, it’s not so easy for family members to leave now, the path to the civil service is not more and no less for a reserve officer than for a citizen who did not serve in the army at all. Although in general it is even more for a non-serving person, look at our politicians)))) )
            3. Sinbad
              Sinbad 14 February 2013 00: 23
              +2
              That's right, he himself served 81-83 as a driver on the 72-ke. The last six months on combat training, dashed off ad libitum. And I can definitely say that only then, at the end of the service, I really learned how to drive a tank and understand it. And in a year nothing can be learned.
    2. starshina78
      starshina78 13 February 2013 18: 47
      +5
      How many people write about this garrison, but there is little sense. Now one thing, now another. I liked the version of the investigation about the hanged boy, that he allegedly inflicted wounds on himself on a twig of a tree. Almost like in the joke "he himself fell on the pitchfork twelve times."
      1. Alexander
        Alexander 13 February 2013 19: 26
        +3
        With such parts, no war is needed
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 13 February 2013 19: 57
          +3
          Quote: Alexander
          With such parts, no war is needed

          Or maybe you are needed there just to change something? Or to smear snot on the cheeks and talk about the alleged horrors of service, does this honor the future officer?
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 February 2013 20: 13
            +8
            In order to change, you need to be aware of the problem. And not to think, like some local minusers, that all these "difficulties" arising from someone's carelessness are not only normal, but are actually necessary for the education of a normal military man.

            He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.
            1. BARKAS
              BARKAS 13 February 2013 20: 51
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.

              So it was in the Elan training course always from here and the name "valley of death" but I myself donated blood to a tanker who was hit by a burst from an anti-aircraft tank machine gun at close range during exercises.
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 February 2013 21: 03
                +5
                Stand out even against the background of general disorder?

                Feels my heart, someday men will say "from the machine" to the professional military: "guys, why should we feed you, if you can't put things in order at your place and in peacetime"
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 13 February 2013 21: 35
                  0
                  Well, let them say it, maybe the first one say ???
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 February 2013 21: 41
                    +2
                    I can not. The longest fed
                2. Piterkras
                  Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 09
                  0
                  Then they will feed the Caucasians with the Chinese. Not a big trouble.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 February 2013 22: 12
                    0
                    Replace. To the workers and peasants. And according to the commissioner with a Nagan, they will be put next to each military specialist.
                3. old rocket man
                  old rocket man 13 February 2013 23: 51
                  +1
                  Lopatov,
                  It helped? Did you see this tanker yourself? After the KPVT’s turn, they don’t survive. Even they don’t get to the sanbat.
                  1. Lopatov
                    Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 59
                    +1
                    You are not addressing that.
                    Nevertheless, the KPVT is not used as an anti-aircraft machine gun on the tank.
              2. Piterkras
                Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 08
                0
                Death Valley is a forest, lower from the part. There often the companions ran away and hid. Some hung themselves there. Therefore, the name is.
              3. s1н7т
                s1н7т 13 February 2013 23: 28
                0
                Quote: BARKAS
                the tanker who was hit by the turn from an anti-aircraft tank machine gun at point blank range during exercises.

                Hrenase! Alive?
            2. s1н7т
              s1н7т 13 February 2013 22: 54
              +2
              Quote: Spade
              He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.

              Medicine, by the way, is "at the level" - when I fell ill with "rubella", they just sent me - go, wash yourself, soldier! When he threatened to give it to the pig, they made the correct diagnosis laughing In the army, it is sometimes necessary to show some where their place is. I think so in all armies.
              And after 10 km in 45 minutes. should be good laughing !
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 03
                0
                Quote: c1n7
                And after 10 km in 45 minutes. should be good


                That day is still good. Bad next.

                In medicine, it has never been particularly good up to the regiment level. As the saying goes, "in the army, be afraid of three explosives ...".
          2. Alexander
            Alexander 13 February 2013 20: 17
            +1
            I do not dissolve nurses, but I say that they do not cherish our defenders in the Russian Defense Ministry.
            1. Piterkras
              Piterkras 13 February 2013 20: 25
              +5
              It is the defenders themselves who do not take care of themselves, thinking that they are the smartest, and the "jackals" are a bird on a bird. They hammer on orders, violate TB, engage in amateur performances, look for an ass of adventure. Everyone cannot be watched non-stop.
        2. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 21: 51
          +2
          And then why the hell do you need it? Come and change something for the better, and not noah on the internet. Although, by the very fact of your experiences, the first question here arises-why do you need you in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???
        3. s1н7т
          s1н7т 13 February 2013 22: 38
          +1
          Quote: Alexander
          With such parts, no war is needed

          Yes, no, the usual part. You need to have normal health and your own idea of ​​the military life and service of the troops - the rest is shit, in general. Well, and know the "subject", of course. laughing
        4. aleksandroff
          aleksandroff 14 February 2013 00: 21
          +2
          ALL I THINK IN THIS PART LIKE OTHERS. I am simply surprised that from one death in the army the media kindles, as if they are dying in droves. why don't they spread how many guys in civilian life die between the ages of 18 and 27, drink too much, become junkies, etc., having got rid of the army. sometimes it seems that it is better for a son to join the army - it will be livelier, and the benefits are enormous. I myself served in the construction battalion and we had a lot of guys from a "young age", they seemed incredible fuckers, but after the army they did not go to crime (but began in the 90s), but started families and still live with norms. horrible to think if they had not served. it is the education of the army. always someone somewhere dies, but they never made a sensation out of it, and it was calmer. During my service, three died in two parts nearby, so one got drunk into the transformer (he was an electrician at work, the other also got drunk under the ZIL 130 dump truck, the third hanged himself (the girl did not wait). Now the media would write a lot about them incredible.I am proud that I served.and people are not ashamed to look in my face and there is something to talk about with the guys, even with adults.not so scary as the media paint it.although the media are needed so that some officers keep themselves in check. to a friend in the Kostroma in the airborne division and after talking with commanders from contract sergeants to com part, I took pride in our army, we will not be lost with them and we need to support them, and not spread rot through the media (in which there are a lot of non-service idiots). I think somewhere it is specially done so that the people do not respect their army, which is a disaster.
  2. Garrin
    Garrin 13 February 2013 18: 08
    +11
    Sorry for the kid. God grant that he survived and does not remain disabled!
    1. just me
      just me 13 February 2013 20: 38
      +5
      It’s sad to write, but without one kidney and with a rupture of the spleen, he is already disabled, and probably the most difficult group
  3. Joker
    Joker 13 February 2013 18: 11
    +7
    Mind does not understand Russia sad After all, there are rules, why can’t you follow them? There is sure to be some kind of eccentric letter M, which believes that the rules for fools are written. It would be necessary to complete the entire unit and check the entire officer corps in all units, that they .... are suffering, and not recruits are being taught.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 13 February 2013 18: 24
      +2
      Jopta, and we think what to do with the army, but we just need to finish all the parts and we will be happy ... Yes, you urgently need to be the defense ministers, now we will wait when Shoigu is lured and you’ll leave for some other position and then you all show how and what to do with the army
    2. Piterkras
      Piterkras 13 February 2013 18: 29
      +7
      This is not about the officers, but about the conscripts themselves. For the most part, these conscripts wanted to spit on safety precautions. They consider themselves smarter than everyone. So such stories turn out.
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 13 February 2013 21: 20
        -2
        Quote: piterkras

        It’s not about the officers, but about the conscripts themselves

        I’m all to blame. I’ll give an example. It was so an conscript comes out of the tent. He sees an automaton lying on the ground without a store. He picks up a contractor. He asks what kind of machine is charged. he says I don’t know, let's check the back of the ass. I’ll shoot, he turns and bends down. There is a shot. A contract soldier is killed in a military unit. you need to do something with TB in the army!
        1. Uncle
          Uncle 13 February 2013 21: 40
          +1
          Quote: BARKAS
          here is how it was
          Was it a bike or was it in kind? Very similar to the truth.
          1. Mikado
            Mikado 13 February 2013 23: 09
            +2
            Konesh bike, one would have thought that in the darkness they found a grenade and put it in their mouth without a check, to test the real one or not, not such idiots serve there. But the fact that they tried to steal cartridges from the shooting ranges on medallions, carrying them in the barrel of the machine gun, then they forgot about the hidden cartridge and started aiming at each other in the Bosko and pressing the trigger with a known result, it was.
        2. Piterkras
          Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 10
          +1
          Lies, anyway. Tales of those who have not served.
          1. BARKAS
            BARKAS 14 February 2013 10: 41
            0
            It was the 95th in the Gudermes armed conflict zone! in our part.
      2. Uncle
        Uncle 13 February 2013 21: 39
        0
        Quote: piterkras
        For the most part, these conscripts wanted to spit on safety precautions.
        They are almost children. Well, what consciousness does a guy have at 18!
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 February 2013 21: 50
          +3
          With normal preparation, they send nothing to the guard, the tower was not demolished (many examples) and fight as it should if NECESSARY
        2. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 21: 55
          +6
          well, yes, yes ... a soldier he is like a child, only ... big ... just something like history shows at 18 years old and fought and did children and led states earlier .. And we can’t do it now at 18 years old follow yourself ... Trouble, trouble ..
          1. klimpopov
            klimpopov 13 February 2013 22: 13
            +1
            I agree! And there’s nothing to add!
          2. Ascetic
            Ascetic 13 February 2013 23: 04
            +1
            Quote: mehanik27
            just ... big ..


            It was possible to write a hellish slog without violating the rules of the site? Or did the Joker write it means now?
            1. Tsoi is alive
              Tsoi is alive 13 February 2013 23: 18
              +2
              Quote: Ascetic
              It was possible to write a hellish slog without violating the rules of the site?

              It is necessary to put in the rules of the site! wink

            2. mehanik27
              mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 20
              0
              Horseradish is a small genus of perennial herbaceous plants of the Cabbage family, but what I wrote is somewhat different and you won’t erase words from the song
              1. Tsoi is alive
                Tsoi is alive 14 February 2013 00: 14
                0
                Eheheh .., would write - "Oh my God, I am overwhelmed with emotions, it seems to me that somewhere in the code an error has crept in" - and everything, everyone is clear and understandable! wink
              2. Ascetic
                Ascetic 14 February 2013 01: 34
                +2
                mehanik27,

                Horseradish is one who enters into a wrangle about a justly stated remark.
                1. The moderator is always right
                2. If the moderator is wrong, see point 1
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 14 February 2013 01: 42
                  0
                  Sorry, but you are too annoying, the difference is not fundamental. Your behavior does not meet my expectations, and therefore do not distract me, please, I'm busy right now. (I hope that I was able to comply with all the rules of the site)
        3. Piterkras
          Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 12
          +1
          These "children" look like children, and if you serve with this, you will learn a lot for them. Many more adults will be given a head start. Just give them freedom. Our Caucasians, for example, in the city where the unit was, often local students were beaten by faces on disks when they were AWOL or were on leave. Who else is there "children" ...
      3. Shoma-1970
        Shoma-1970 14 February 2013 01: 29
        0
        For failure to observe personal and collective security measures, everyone should bear strict responsibility, and if necessary, criminal!
    3. Ascetic
      Ascetic 13 February 2013 22: 59
      +3
      Quote: Joker
      After all, there are rules, why can’t you follow them? There is sure to be some kind of eccentric letter M, which believes that the rules for fools are written


      In Russia, it is customary to read instructions after something fails or force majeure happens and not before .. Alas .. We are all rich in hindsight.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 07
        +2
        Quote: Ascetic
        In Russia, it is customary to read instructions after something fails or force majeure happens

        Or before a difficult conversation with the uncle from the military prosecutor’s office
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 41
          +2
          All the same, in most cases, this uncle the prosecutor reads the instructions for the startled and modestly smiling client, who, if he suspected her existence, had never seen belay
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 51
            +1
            It happens in different ways.
            The exhibition of achievements of the world automotive industry in the parking lot near the VP building is good, but sometimes the work needs to be shown.
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 56
              +1
              In such cases, it’s rare ... well, maybe the youngest and the most arrogant or something ostentatious, go and it’s much more interesting to deal with embezzlement, here the prosecutor himself can get something wrong.
    4. old rocket man
      old rocket man 13 February 2013 23: 57
      0
      Joker,
      Instead of studying at school, they rummaged through the Internet in search of a warm duty station drinks
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 14 February 2013 00: 05
        +1
        And isn’t it winter holidays now?

        And even if he is in school, then it’s better to fumble on the sampo on the Internet than to sleep
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 13
          0
          All the same, it seems to me that sleeping on sampo is more useful than studying the Internet))) But vacation on everyone happens differently.
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 February 2013 00: 24
            +1
            Oh well, then the neck hurts.
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 40
              +1
              only a stupid and negligent cadet or soldier can hurt his neck, which just stupidly goes about the most low-lying desires of his body. The person is more sophisticated in this matter, and according to the subject’s comments, he is in his third year and must correspond, goes to sleep with all responsibility and conducts this process in accordance with the guidelines, compliance with safety requirements and maximum comfort
    5. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 12
      0
      Quote: Joker
      they’re more bullshit, not taught draftees.

      Strictly speaking, officers have nothing to do with draftees. I mean the army.
  4. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 13 February 2013 18: 15
    +3
    Maybe this "notorious" Elan garrison should be renamed?
    And then the negative is very wide! Requires peace in peace!
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 13 February 2013 18: 18
      +7
      Can a mess stop the time in this garrison? I judge by what is published - I did not see it myself. But apparently there is a lot of mess.
      1. Hairy Siberian
        Hairy Siberian 13 February 2013 18: 28
        0
        Maybe! But still it would not hurt to invite a priest and a mullah.
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 February 2013 18: 29
          +8
          Military prosecutors should be invited ...
        2. воронов
          воронов 13 February 2013 18: 34
          +3
          As well as a rabbi, shaman and Buddhist priest wassat
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 February 2013 20: 10
            +4
            Quote: voronov
            As well as a rabbi, shaman and Buddhist priest

            And also the committee of soldier’s mothers, state control, the college of lawyers, sanitation, ecology, the Ministry of Emergencies and part can be forgotten.
            Usually after a long stagnation, when the troops begin to engage in combat training, usually and various emergency situations occur.
            It will not hurt to punish the management team that they would come to their senses and work conscientiously.
        3. s1н7т
          s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 22
          0
          Quote: Hairy Siberian
          even a priest and a mullah to invite would not hurt.

          For urgent, it would not hurt, they are so well-fed laughing
      2. Andrey58
        Andrey58 13 February 2013 22: 25
        +1
        Can change Comanche? They say it helps.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 13 February 2013 22: 39
          +4
          A new broom sweeps clean, and breaks off - it bends down under a bench. (with)

          It will help, but not for long. 3-4 months.
          1. Andrey58
            Andrey58 13 February 2013 22: 41
            +4
            It depends on the broom. If instead of the handle the scrap is, it will not break.

            Such problematic garrisons need a man with combat experience.
      3. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 20
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        But apparently there is a lot of mess

        As everywhere, actually. Do you think Chebarkul is better?
        If you are prof. military, I remind you - an army can exist only in 2 states - to fight or prepare for war, in the 3rd state there is no army.
  5. BARKAS
    BARKAS 13 February 2013 18: 16
    +4
    This is criminal idiocy I served there and this event does not surprise me. Elan has always been famous for such facts.
    1. воронов
      воронов 13 February 2013 18: 37
      +1
      Maybe the Elan garrison is in the anomalous zone? belay
      1. BARKAS
        BARKAS 13 February 2013 18: 53
        0
        The zone is called "Death Valley" really!
        1. avt
          avt 13 February 2013 19: 29
          +8
          Quote: BARKAS
          The zone is called "Death Valley" really!

          "Death Valley" is put in order by elementary discipline in compliance with the law through the military prosecutor's office and military tribunal and the execution of the sentence regardless of person, rank and rank. There have been no other alternatives in the WORLD and in the near foreseeable future.
          1. saturn.mmm
            saturn.mmm 13 February 2013 20: 11
            +1
            Quote: avt
            There were no other alternatives in the WORLD and in the near foreseeable future there will be none.

            I totally agree.
          2. Piterkras
            Piterkras 13 February 2013 20: 20
            -2
            Will not help. Proven by practice. As long as our people have the mentality that we have, everything will remain as before.
            1. komTMG
              komTMG 13 February 2013 20: 46
              +2
              Tell me a friend about mentality.
              I was 2 years with pneumonia (as it turned out) I handed over 3 km and could not understand why it does not work out. But he did. And went on vacation. Which cheerfully ached.
              Is that Apatity your Khibiny mentality?
              1. s1н7т
                s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 25
                +1
                Quote: komTMG
                Is that Apatity your Khibiny mentality?

                This is when you suck, but for the sake of vacation you run 3 km. regardless of pneumonia.
            2. ramzes1776
              ramzes1776 13 February 2013 21: 16
              +4
              Quote: piterkras
              Will not help.

              Everything depends on the commander !!!
          3. mehanik27
            mehanik27 13 February 2013 22: 01
            +2
            Beautiful words ... beautiful impulses ... only in the conditions of our reality, with a clumsy bureaucratic machine and a corrupt prosecutor’s office, everything quickly subsides.
        2. Piterkras
          Piterkras 13 February 2013 22: 14
          +2
          If you served there, you would know that it’s not a part of the name, but the forest, which is located lower on the slope from the part.
  6. vorobey
    vorobey 13 February 2013 18: 23
    +6
    The incident happened after night exercises, and tank commander Dmitry Otstavnykh did not check if there was anyone on the armor when he discharged his car.

    Outside there was a driver

    Some crap. The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor. Direct negligence, and before the tank commander, as there was no discipline in the crew.
    1. Nechai
      Nechai 13 February 2013 19: 22
      +4
      Quote: vorobey
      The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor. Direct negligence, and before the tank commander, as there was no discipline in the crew.

      And the mechanic driver was most likely executing the command AT THE INITIAL line "To the car!", And KT, openly, accidentally or remembered something, pressed the button at that moment.
      There was a similar case in Totskiy. Kom.Tanka forgot to check the PKT for discharges at the ceasefire line. The gunner left the T-72ki turret in position ON the left wing liner (the "Luna" stood ABOVE the mechanical drive hatch). Arrived at the starting point, CT duplicated the command from the tower "To the car!" The hatch has already opened. And then I remembered that I had not checked the machine gun. And at this moment the mechanic, swearing, crawled out from under the pot of the searchlight. The CT decided to check it again, not as it should be - to open the cover of the receiver box, MAKE SURE that there is no cartridge in the hooks and only make a descent with the top. And quickly, just pressing the trigger ... Fur a bullet AND POWDER gases (shot at point-blank range) in the forearm ... He jumped out of the car, started to run to the tower and fell unconscious ... But it wasn’t pot-bellied greenery in the carriage. The furs were successfully treated in the hospital. CT got off with a lip.
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 13 February 2013 21: 26
        +7
        Nechai,

        Valera, we already had a joke in our 4th year company. Cars were preparing for firing a stock. 6 cars were shot putting in a row side to side. We omit the reconciliation. The third car was already shooting when our capter in the transmissions ran to the head car. And at 72, at the moment when the gun is at the loading angle and the conveyor feeds the projectile for reloading, the hatch in the tower opens and the shot pan is extracted through it. Capter in the tower and caught the pan, the benefit was a hat on his head. The guy was demolished simply, I can’t remember these running legs in the air without laughing. The trick is that he did not even immediately understand what it was.

        and I also tried to disassemble another PKT companion in 72 on the go, I already told mine. the return springs entered the forehead between the eyes.
        The nickname piggy bank stuck to it for a characteristic scar.
        1. s1н7т
          s1н7т 14 February 2013 01: 01
          0
          Quote: vorobey
          the hatch in the tower opens and a shot pan is extracted through it.

          Well, that is not the T-62! laughing
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 28
        0
        Quote: Nechai
        In Totsky there was a similar incident. Kom.Tanka forgot at the turn

        Fuck-up! And he reported to the "tower" - what was horrible?
    2. vilenich
      vilenich 13 February 2013 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: vorobey
      Some crap. The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor.

      So the article states:
      Quote: vorobey
      The incident happened after night exercises.

      Most likely, night BSVs or RTUs were held, at the ceasefire, the weapons were not discharged (smoke grenade), and only then (possibly even in the fleet of military vehicles) this all happened.
      I also had a case when the crew removed the charge at the ceasefire, and then they wanted to pick out the shell, so we arrived with him in the field park. I managed to notice in time (I always checked the discharged weapons before servicing the equipment after firing and exercises), otherwise they had already begun to twist the bar in order to knock the shell out of the gun with a banner. What could happen only God knows!
      1. flanker7
        flanker7 13 February 2013 22: 16
        +1
        Comrades, who will say why a smoke grenade at regular firing? Well, in the exercises, still back and forth, they used to, it was the case, but on the stocks, never! Some kind of crap .....
        1. vilenich
          vilenich 14 February 2013 09: 17
          0
          Quote: flanker7
          at regular firing

          The article says "after night exercises", there was no question of firing a regular projectile.
          1. flanker7
            flanker7 14 February 2013 21: 47
            0
            Oops, I agree, was inattentive! But again: night exercises and smoke grenades. Why put a smoke screen at night? I've never heard of this ... Still, some kind of crap ...
  7. Armata
    Armata 13 February 2013 18: 24
    +6
    Explain to me so for a stupid person. As on the armor appeared MECHANIC DRIVER. How could he end up on the armor of a tank? Has he ever read the rules?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 13 February 2013 18: 30
      +7
      Quote: Mechanic
      Has he ever read the rules?


      Eugene here is another nuance. If I remember correctly, then with the mechanics open, the firing chains open and it is simply impossible to shoot. I don’t remember just about the cloud.

      Quote: Mechanic
      How the MECHANIC DRIVER ended up on the armor


      Who let him. Either he scored and climbed on CT, or, nevertheless, the dropout of KT fired a grenade by accident.
      1. mehanik27
        mehanik27 13 February 2013 18: 34
        +3
        vorobey, and you never contacted the microcontrollers of the hatches in the line ???
        1. vorobey
          vorobey 13 February 2013 18: 45
          +5
          Quote: mehanik27
          never contacts on microcontrollers of hatches


          you will laugh - never.

          Another nuance is that the unloading of weapons on the direct track is controlled not only by the tank commanders but also by the gunner at 30-00. The mechanic can leave the car when the tower is turned on at 35-00 or 25-00, that is, on the camp. Here is the oil painting.
          1. Armata
            Armata 13 February 2013 19: 07
            +8
            Quote: vorobey
            Here's another nuance. If I remember correctly, then with the hatch open, the firing chains open and it is simply impossible to shoot. I don’t remember just about the cloud.
            Well, duck and I’m talking about (Sanya quietly begins to understand something in the Armored when you were tied up by the person responsible for the Armat project.) request Although the tanks are just oak.
            1. Tersky
              Tersky 13 February 2013 19: 41
              +5
              Quote: Mechanic
              Although the tanks are just oak.

              Zhen, it's just "oaks" sitting in tanks ..
              1. Armata
                Armata 13 February 2013 19: 50
                +6
                Quote: Tersky
                Zhen, it's just "oaks" sitting in tanks ..
                Vitya, well, not all. But I'm actually an oak. You know when they threw it on a project, but you don’t understand it.
                1. Tersky
                  Tersky 13 February 2013 20: 26
                  +3
                  Quote: Mechanic
                  You know when they threw it on a project, but you don’t understand it.

                  Zhenya, it’s clear that not all, but there are exotics, it’s not on paper where if you make a mistake you can cross out and re-calculate,
                  1. Armata
                    Armata 13 February 2013 20: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: Tersky
                    Zhenya, it’s clear that not all, but there are exotics, it’s not on paper where if you make a mistake you can cross out and re-calculate,
                    Vitya duck, I now have to dream the dreams of designers with the reality of technologists and Wishlist operators combine. Although I already regretted 20 once that I left the design. crying There is such a buzz. Abuse can be only once every six months, and then at 3 hours you will stay for a maximum. And not some panic.
              2. vorobey
                vorobey 13 February 2013 21: 27
                +4
                Quote: Tersky
                tanks "oaks" sit


                Do you know all four wooden parts in a tank?
          2. vilenich
            vilenich 13 February 2013 22: 09
            +1
            Quote: vorobey
            the loading of weapons on the directrix is ​​controlled

            So, after all, nothing is said about the director, apparently the case was somewhat different, although of course a flagrant violation of security measures is seen by someone. tank, com. platoon and com. companies.
        2. Nechai
          Nechai 13 February 2013 21: 18
          +4
          Quote: mehanik27
          and you never contact the microcontrollers of hatches did not short-circuit to a line ???

          "mehanik27", I honestly confess to you, if there was such a "craftsman" to dig in the micrushki, to stick the needles into the cable, I immediately led them to the OO for a preventive conversation. And everyone is fine, well, almost. From now on, the fighter had to work with sexot. But did the special officers put themselves a bird? Yes, and even a frame scared before it was impossible to get fucked. No one will ditch my technology. Uncle Constructor, he didn’t wrinkle his forehead, wondering where to create what blocking chains! Well, and the fact that the sex is homegrown, so to speak, is generally wonderful!
          1. mehanik27
            mehanik27 13 February 2013 21: 41
            +4
            Honestly, your logic is not clear - you yourself can’t get the soldier to comply with TB and your orders and therefore lead him to a special department ... to hell ??? Besides, you are clearly not familiar with the work of the Specialists. which you also know? A good specialist has a lot of channels for obtaining information and you are unlikely to know about them.
          2. vilenich
            vilenich 14 February 2013 09: 28
            0
            Quote: Nechai
            if there was such a "craftsman" to dig in micrushki,

            We usually dealt with such "craftsmen" ourselves, because it will be more expensive to have a sexot at our side!
            Quote: mehanik27
            To hell with them sexot about which you also know?

            Where there is one famous person, there they will still recruit a bunch of unknown persons!
            Work specifics...
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 14 February 2013 12: 03
              0
              They don’t have such specifics of work .... how many did not come across OO, there are no suspicions of anyone, but the special police officer knows if not everything, then a lot. case it's a young lieutenant bully
        3. vilenich
          vilenich 13 February 2013 22: 07
          0
          Quote: mehanik27
          and you never contacted the microcontroller hatches directly

          And why lock them, it will be more expensive for yourself!
          1. mehanik27
            mehanik27 13 February 2013 22: 22
            0
            Why the question is rhetorical, but there were facts ....
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 30
        0
        Quote: vorobey
        when the hatch is open, the mechanics of the firing chain open

        Here is the benefit of the site - I have already forgotten this "trick"!
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 37
          +2
          the truth is there is one nuance, if previous generations did not short circuit directly to you ....
  8. anchonsha
    anchonsha 13 February 2013 18: 26
    +3
    We have a lot of this mess everywhere because of the slackness and irresponsibility of leaders. And to bring them to justice immediately there are hundreds of advocates and compassionate.
  9. Piterkras
    Piterkras 13 February 2013 18: 28
    +4
    A typical manifestation of army gouging and disregard for safety from the personnel. No wonder. This is very close.
  10. Committee
    Committee 13 February 2013 18: 41
    0
    The percentage of injuries from TB violations is not so high in recent years, but 10 years ago it was higher, for example. And remember the first Chechen and compare with the second - heaven and earth. It is a pity, of course, for the soldier, because even though the injury rate is "half a percent", no one wants to get into this "half percent".
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 13 February 2013 18: 43
      +1
      10 years ago and the army was more
      1. Piterkras
        Piterkras 13 February 2013 18: 49
        -4
        Why do you think so?
      2. Committee
        Committee 13 February 2013 19: 26
        0
        No, there were fewer people in the army in the first Chechen than in the second, if not at times.
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 21: 42
          +1
          and the second one was not 10 years ago, but I agree with the essence of what was said about these companies.
  11. ruton
    ruton 13 February 2013 18: 42
    +2
    Because of one eccentric, so many people will suffer so much .. Starting from who is in the hospital to the company .. How did the mechanic on the armor turn out to be one question, but the tank commander was discharged ..
  12. nalexx
    nalexx 13 February 2013 18: 43
    +2
    He himself served in training in N. Tagil. All the officers and serge told us, rejoice that you didn’t get to Yelan, or else it’s not far away. quite a while ago
  13. Avenger711
    Avenger711 13 February 2013 18: 43
    +3
    What's the news? In the army there is a lot of danger, to investigate and take measures for non-repetition.
  14. ifhsuby
    ifhsuby 13 February 2013 18: 58
    0
    It’s necessary, like in the police, I committed an offense and a mass grave immediately forms around you - from the squad commander and above to a citizen
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 13 February 2013 22: 24
      +1
      This crazy idea, which sooner or later will give rise to a monstrous mutual responsibility. It should be just a tough personal responsibility.
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 February 2013 22: 40
        +1
        Already spawned, and for a very long time. The idea is not crazy, it is deeply vicious.
  15. stalker
    stalker 13 February 2013 19: 07
    +1
    I heard a lot for Yelan, he himself came from the Urals, the evil fame about her is coming.
  16. itr
    itr 13 February 2013 19: 13
    +1
    Elan is known from the USSR there was always tough
    Damn, I served there 96, I tried last year when I drove home from the city of Eburg and missed
  17. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 13 February 2013 19: 19
    +5
    vorobey (3) Today, 18:41 ↑ ↓ new 4
    Quote: Alexander
    But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.


    Che scared? so you’ll check yourself what kind of officer it will turn out of you.

    And learn better and the soldier will teach something, look and Elan will cease to come across in the news. And I'm afraid of difficulties, as the division commander used to say "to trade bananas for civilian life." hi
  18. Sergey47
    Sergey47 13 February 2013 19: 32
    0
    Accidents in civilian life are not uncommon. God grant that the soldier will get better. Another reason for the "soldiers' mothers" to pour slops on the army. It would be better if this tank shot them and their sponsors.
  19. воронов
    воронов 13 February 2013 19: 32
    +2
    This fact once again confirms that a fighter cannot be taught anything worthwhile in a year.
  20. Renat
    Renat 13 February 2013 19: 45
    +2
    Military doctors are good. Hope to get the kid out. He got to the hospital a couple of times.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 13 February 2013 20: 05
      +3
      Quote: Renat
      Military doctors are good

      There were, before Serdyukov. sad
      1. ruton
        ruton 13 February 2013 20: 47
        0
        Apparently they brought to Ekat .. now there are no hospitals nearby ..
        1. Armata
          Armata 13 February 2013 21: 18
          +2
          Quote: ruton
          Apparently they brought to Ekat .. now there are no hospitals nearby

          There is a good hospital in Artyomovsky.
      2. s1н7т
        s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 42
        0
        Quote: Vladimirets
        There were, before Serdyukov.

        Not true. In the 90th he arrived in Mirny (ZabVO), a picture was taken in the hospital - the names of the neurosurgeons who performed the operation were named. I am surprised. I was told that this is one of the best in the country! Their handwriting recognizes any self-respecting specialist. And a year later, on vacation, I meet one of them - he says, he went to look for work! So Serdyukov-Putin is simply the continuation of the Yeltsin case.
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 45
          0
          So we are all literate people here and even remember a little about logic ... Who appointed Serdyukov to the post of MORF? .. Putin, if my memory serves me right.
          Who elevated Putin (at least officially) and even gave him the reins of government ?? If this is EBN doesn’t fail me?
  21. Nechai
    Nechai 13 February 2013 20: 17
    +8
    Quote: mehanik27
    and you never contact the microcontrollers of hatches did not short-circuit to a line ???

    And YOU buried later, brought to zinc to my mother, a young fly. To him a bracket, for attaching a tarpaulin, the skull was opened.
    Quote: Avenger711
    In the army there is a lot of danger, to investigate and take measures for non-repetition.

    I already talked about this once. In traumatology, in a smoking room, a scene two fighters help each other to light a cigarette. One has no left hand and a split face (tried to spread 12,7mm), the other has no right hand, right eye, etc. (from 14,5mm to quietly having fun), The difference in time of receipt is ten days. I ask "straight from the tin" - have you received an order for this now your sidekick? - Yeah. - And what conclusions have you made for yourself? - It is necessary to prepare for demobilization. I really wanted to bring home polished KPVTeshny patron ... a souvenir ...
    The issue must be decided on the draft at 21. When a young man tried ALREADY a bit of life! And not to put a BABY cut off from mother's skirt into operation. Sergeants FROM LEADERS to cook, not just anyone. Not to mention the reserve officers. Here serve the dear soldier. And then you’ll either be assigned a command VUS or a technical one. It’s a relief to employers and employers - I looked at the identity card of the reserve officer, and everything is clear - this person can be supervised by this personnel or he can only be entrusted with equipment. The army is a school of life, because it’s not a slogan, but the TRUTH!
    And about Yelan it is really often mentioned and taken away not in a good context. Remember they had a T-80 on a forest road and BMP DEFAULT, DROPPED stood all winter? After optimization and reform, when the garrison was defeated and abolished, and its remnants were resettled in dormitories at the BUBT location, at the training ground. The conditions for the LIFE of the families of military personnel became simply awful ... Hence the exile selection of commanders.
    1. Piterkras
      Piterkras 13 February 2013 20: 30
      +3
      I served with 18 year olds, 19 year olds and 21 year olds. Only the degree of greyhound of the subject depends on age there, and not his life experience and sanity.
    2. Armata
      Armata 13 February 2013 20: 32
      +4
      Quote: Nechai
      The army is a school of life, because it’s not a slogan, but the TRUTH!

      Hello Valera. But for these words drinks good You can’t say more correctly.
    3. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 45
      0
      Quote: Nechai
      It is necessary to prepare for the demobilization. Cartridge KPVTeshy polished home to bring VERY wanted ... a souvenir ...

      But I got MDZ, right? laughing
  22. Nechai
    Nechai 13 February 2013 20: 49
    +5
    Hi Zhen! drinks feel
    Quote: piterkras
    Only the degree of greyhound of the subject depends on age there, and not his life experience and sanity.

    Greyhound, life experience, sanity - juggling with words. Who do you think (understandable exceptions only confirm the rule) is more greyhound, and who is sane, the one who is from school or the one who is already WORKING on his own, I emphasize by labor that I earned a living and myself and my family?
    In the old days, when the call was in 21 year, and the education was mainly 7 classes, then 8 became. But count, a person in 14-15let began his working life. 6-7 years of work experience, not parties for ecstasy ...
    1. stalker
      stalker 13 February 2013 21: 18
      0
      I agree with you about the age of draftees, at the age of 18 it’s too early to serve them, 21-23 more or less.
    2. Armata
      Armata 13 February 2013 21: 20
      +3
      Quote: Nechai
      In the old days, when the call was in 21 year, and the education was mainly 7 classes, then 8 became. But count, a person in 14-15let began his working life. 6-7 years of work experience, not parties for ecstasy ...
      Valera. From 16 years I went to the factory. Then 3 of the year of the fleet. Then I got a ticket to the institute. So do it yourself with what I have stored.
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 13 February 2013 21: 26
        +2
        Quote: Mechanic
        From 16 years I went to the factory. Then 3 of the year of the fleet. Then I got a ticket to the institute. So that do it yourself what I have stored.


        and also with little difference only,one to one wassatIt’s for these qualities (what I emphasized in your comment) that I appreciate in the first place good
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 13 February 2013 22: 17
          +2
          From 14 years, I started unloading wagons at a garment factory and I studied at the school, but no one sent them to the institute but entered the budget, the military college of communications in Stavropol was a big bribe ... okay, not about that, but I graduated from the institute and then in absentia finished ...
        2. old rocket man
          old rocket man 14 February 2013 00: 14
          +3
          Apollo,
          Mechanic,
          Friends, I agree with you one hundred percent.
          I want to add only that a good commander the soldier is full, dressed, and by the end of the day he falls into a bunk and doesn’t even get a pee at night, not like a dope.
          A soldier must be loved and respected, but to tear him up like a garbage cat, then at the end of the service he says thanks and sends letters from the "citizen." drinks
          1. Piterkras
            Piterkras 14 February 2013 03: 04
            -3
            You are too naive. In practice, what you write is never.
    3. Avenger711
      Avenger711 14 February 2013 08: 36
      0
      Will fools stop breaking cartridges from this? 21 Years are considered by many adult men to be a good age, in principle, a guy manages to abandon moronic school-courtyard habits, but for the majority it will be simply inconvenient, even if not a university, then he has found a job, maybe he’s even married, and you are raked.
  23. trofim07
    trofim07 13 February 2013 21: 25
    +6
    Such cases have been, are and will be while there is combat training! If the exercises are carried out without such ch.p this is a great success! You can’t follow each fighter, and they don’t have a lot of brains, especially among senior servicemen who think that everyone already knows and knows how. minus as you want. OFFICERS WILL ME
  24. Sergun74
    Sergun74 13 February 2013 21: 26
    +9
    In life, as in the Army, things happen .... Everything happens is sweet and in chocolate, but it happens to be bearded. Sorry for being rude. For 20 years in the army I saw everything (including fighting). The army is a reflection of society and exceptional devotion to the state, society, etc. etc. and punk rock (Pusi Wright) is all there. Are we few precedents around. THOUGHT ???? It is not necessary to blame the officers for all the sins in the army, they were beaten up anyway, whether ... (especially the link, the company commander - regiment (brigade)). We now have 20% of recruits - they have a criminal past .... And a lot of recruits cannot serve themselves (wash socks, wash their feet, brush their teeth twice a day .... and to melt the stove or floors is already higher mathematics.
    1. s1н7т
      s1н7т 14 February 2013 00: 56
      0
      Yeah, of course! When I had a chance to fly as a "steward", I chose it myself in the regional, regional military registration and enlistment offices - secondary special, over 21 years old, with work experience (fuck who). Or - Tyumen region, hereditary hunter. Or - Tuva, hereditary reindeer herders (boli could turn a runner by the hand). We then wore "mini-balls" from a sling with 2 balls on the arm - a useful thing! And a stranglehold, and a weapon, and a trap can be made. What country is such an army. What is our country striving for? To nothing. And the army is like that.
  25. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 13 February 2013 21: 36
    0
    Quote: trofim07
    You can’t follow every fighter

    This is especially true of the so-called old-timers. And the guy is really sorry.
  26. kadcin-max
    kadcin-max 13 February 2013 22: 09
    -3
    The biggest problem of our army is the officers, or rather the officers. Nothing that they themselves can’t do, they have no moral principles, and they watched only cinema about honor. And unfortunately such 99,9%. During the service, I got only one Officer, and the rest, as we called them, was the jackal.
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 13 February 2013 22: 11
      +2
      And this, my friend, is called pure trolling. Do you achieve something concrete, or so, for the sake of art?
      1. rpek32
        rpek32 13 February 2013 22: 24
        -3
        Quote: Spade

        And this, my friend, is called pure trolling.


        actually it’s called trolling (which I don’t see here). And about the officers and jackals. + It was a matter of standing on the nightstand, so at night the lieutenant dragged the woman into the barracks. laughing
  27. common man
    common man 13 February 2013 22: 24
    +3
    I have a guy (son) in Elani from pneumonia that almost bent over. He served at the training ground, who knows. Judging by the stories, there’s a mess there, but he told far, far from everything, above the roof. And with safety measures tryndets. Then the commander of the unit was replaced, but it seems a little change. Somehow it's sad.
  28. Shoma-1970
    Shoma-1970 13 February 2013 22: 48
    +3
    Well guys, we all served in the army, didn’t they teach us, did we warn about personal and collective security? but still we missed, either out of curiosity, or from something, but no one is safe from accidents, so to blame for the illiteracy of the management team and for, something else I think is not appropriate.
    1. Dimitr
      Dimitr 13 February 2013 23: 04
      -2
      Quote: Shoma-1970
      Well guys, we all served in the army, didn’t they teach us, did we warn about personal and collective security? but still we missed, either out of curiosity, or from something, but no one is safe from accidents, so to blame for the illiteracy of the management team and for, something else I think is not appropriate.

      Sorry, but I do not agree a bit! The officer for this is what would follow personal and collective security, and especially the personnel entrusted to him! And this case is not unfortunate, but a consequence of negligence and gouging! Unfortunately, they again will not write off the illiteracy and negligence of the management team, and many leaders are to blame, not only the tank commander!
      1. Piterkras
        Piterkras 14 February 2013 03: 01
        +1
        An officer in the Army is needed to train soldiers in military affairs and to earn money for themselves, and not to educate and track soldiers. Parents should have brought up their children normally. In the Army, such people show themselves in all their glory.
  29. shurup
    shurup 13 February 2013 22: 50
    0
    What's that noise? Private emergency in TV. Direct violation of instructions, exacerbated at night.
    Rejoice that you were not discharged into the commander in chief, as you did in the second Kolya.
    Shoigu is still sorry, preferably not "already", after such publications.
  30. Ivan Tarasov
    Ivan Tarasov 13 February 2013 22: 54
    0
    Impunity for commanders leads to the death of soldiers.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 02
      +2
      What kind of impunity ??? Now to this case all who can and cannot be attributed ....
      1. Lopatov
        Lopatov 13 February 2013 23: 11
        0
        And next time, the victim of such an incident will be taken to a civilian hospital, and there they will agree for money not to be reported anywhere.
        1. mehanik27
          mehanik27 13 February 2013 23: 52
          -1
          And then ... and the doctors will be happy ....
          1. Lopatov
            Lopatov 14 February 2013 00: 02
            +1
            Disgusting practice. In the end, it ends with corpses and plantings for a long time. Especially in the sphere of non-statutory ones, they often cover up "injuries".
            1. mehanik27
              mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 11
              +1
              rotten, but the fact takes place. On the other hand it happens differently. One of my soldiers was put in a civilian hospital, because there were no necessary specialists in the hospital. As a result of being in a civilian medical institution, they decided to charge him. One fine May Monday they said that in a couple of days the documents would come and at the end of the week he would be home, dismissed from military service. A happy soldier decided to see what was good on TV there, but the picture quality was disgusting. He went to the nurse , took her keys to the canopy with the utility inventory, pulled out a ladder and climbed to mount the antenna on a tree. From where he fell from a height of 5-6 meters. He peeled his whole body off the tree, hit his head on the concrete side of the bench that was under the tree and on the asphalt and after half an hour without regaining consciousness he died. The appearance was worse than in the photo that was brought here and already removed. And instead of Saturday to please the mother and common-law wife with their child I brought the coffin with his body home ...
              1. Lopatov
                Lopatov 14 February 2013 00: 19
                +1
                To carry, perhaps nothing worse. Also, the unit commander drove?
                1. mehanik27
                  mehanik27 14 February 2013 00: 26
                  +1
                  Well, I was his unit commander .. and drove home the last way
                  1. Piterkras
                    Piterkras 14 February 2013 02: 58
                    -5
                    Well you drive, but not very good at it. What kind of unit commander are you there? You are an unaccompanied troll. Feels a mile away.
              2. lechatormosis
                lechatormosis 14 February 2013 04: 51
                +2



                in most cases, the fate of a soldier depends on the competent actions of the commander of the officer.
                If the commander has a shame on the soldier, the consequences are usually not long in coming.
  31. Zubr
    Zubr 13 February 2013 23: 56
    +2
    We have one fighter a bullet filled a bump at night firing. He stuck his head out of the BMP hatch, and then ricocheted from the growth target, the headset struck, the shell was well, the bump was MOTHER NOT BURNING .... laughing
    Now it’s ridiculous, of course, and then we almost got over .... a guy was born in a shirt ....
  32. Nikskiff
    Nikskiff 14 February 2013 04: 26
    +1
    The whole country is the Elan garrison!
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 14 February 2013 04: 54
      +1
      Quote: Nikskiff
      The whole country is the Elan garrison!

      And America is solid Harlem !!!
      1. Region65
        Region65 14 February 2013 06: 09
        0
        yes yes, by the way, the topic of hazing in the "valiant army" of the United States is well shown in the movie "Steel Shell" ..... so ....
      2. Nikskiff
        Nikskiff 14 February 2013 16: 38
        0
        ramzes1776,
        And America is solid Harlem !!!

        And here is America, events taking place in Russia, in the Russian army, in particular in the Elan garrison, and America?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 14 February 2013 16: 42
          0
          Quote: Nikskiff
          And here is America

          Perhaps this is also because your flag resembles an American one.
          Quote: Nikskiff
          The whole country is the Elan garrison!
        2. ramzes1776
          ramzes1776 15 February 2013 01: 04
          +1
          Quote: Nikskiff
          And here is America

          Judging by the flag, are you from there? If from there, then I’ll add that you have civilians who are keen to shoot in broad daylight. And your courts are much more limitless than ours. negative
  33. Ash
    Ash 14 February 2013 04: 53
    +6
    I can't say anything about tank troops, but my opinion is unequivocal about the Strategic Missile Forces: soldiers are NOT NECESSARY there, at least in missile divisions. Officers and warrant officers do all the work, soldiers constantly have to be distracted, check the availability of personnel (they, pigs, constantly strive to crawl somewhere, build a "nest" for themselves and fall asleep). I can be reproached for the fact that it is necessary to engage in combat training with them, etc. But believe me, the schedule of personnel involvement is loaded to the limit, officers from In addition, practice shows that it is necessary to train junior officers first of all. And this is a process associated with the secrecy regime, where the fighters will not be allowed. That's why you constantly twitch, running from the cockpit senior operator of the launch site, where the inexperienced engineer of the department sits, until the 505th structure, where you have to assign conscripts not quite necessary tasks just to keep them busy. yayu, it is very distracting. This despite the fact that the soldiers in the missile division do not solve any important issues. Previously there were driver mechanics on small units from among them, but now there are warrant officers with contract soldiers. The officers also carry out protection and defense in the field position. , as well as individual security units. According to the guidance documents, officers and warrant officers are again involved in the folding and deployment of units in the field position. So I am in favor of conscripts not appearing at all.
    -----------------------------------------------------------
    PS: Developing the topic, we can add that conscripts in the Strategic Missile Forces do not turn into specialists in a year and do nothing worthwhile, but their stupidity can deliver a non-illusory "hemorrhoids" in case of war, he will be called up as a missile officer. Employees of military enlistment offices at their VUS will, to put it mildly, do not care. Let it be better to call people for military training, for example, for 2-3 weeks a year. Moreover, in the same units, while maintaining their civil salaries. Then I, knowing that this Petya Pupkin would get into my group if something happened, would be interested in teaching him. And Petya Pupkin would clearly understand the order of his actions.
    1. lechatormosis
      lechatormosis 14 February 2013 05: 10
      -2
      submit a report to Shoygu.
      All the same, he is a big-headed man, and your wishes will reach him.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 14 February 2013 10: 06
        0
        Where are they-not trained conscripts needed?
        Strategic Rocket Forces is understandable. And in the infantry in battle, a machine gunner, sniper, granotometchik or driver mechanic yesterday’s snotty schoolchildren are needed? After all, it is these guys in the war themselves who themselves must destroy the enemy.
        Although, the requirements for education there are smaller, but the required level psychological, physical training, the ability to handle weapons and equipment are achievable in 1 year only in the chatter of Perdyukov and his henchmen.
        The place of a young "vyunosh" during the year is a training center, and only then for a contract in the army, and only then the beginning of the path to the leadership, one can enter the "noble cadets". As in Germany in its time. Then the officers will be better, the random element among them will tend to zero.
  34. Region65
    Region65 14 February 2013 06: 07
    0
    incisions from opening, and abrasions on the face and hands formed due to seizures when hanging from blows on tree knots. In July, the case of the death of a soldier was closed .... recalls a joke about the deceased person in jail .... why did Ivanov die? YES, he hanged himself in the cell! And why does he have the whole head in bumps? So he hanged himself on an elastic band from cowards .....
    hmm .. marasmus ... just as always, in the barracks there is a massacre between Russians and non-Russians .... something like that ..... soon they will randomly shoot rockets at each other ...
    PS By the way, drama doesn’t happen only on national soil in the army ... we have many cases when representatives of the same nationality urinate each other .. who, with hammers, who are on guard with Kalash ... and by the way, there were such cases in the USSR. ..u my uncle four first-year-olds escaped ... with weapons, several colleagues put and ran away ... looked for them, found them, shot them. the first two, the remaining two - one shot the other and shot himself.
  35. maestro123
    maestro123 14 February 2013 10: 09
    0
    Violation of the Charter and neglect of the rules of TB!

    Nothing more to add!
  36. rennim
    rennim 14 February 2013 11: 44
    0
    It’s high time when I was drafted into the army ... and just when giving out the rights to drive a car, to force everyone to pass the IQ test.
    1. mehanik27
      mehanik27 14 February 2013 12: 08
      +1
      This will not help ... because progress has made outlets inaccessible to most children - the most gifted die (c)