In the Urals, a soldier was accidentally shot from a tank; he survived with terrible wounds.

In the infamous Elan garrison in the Urals, a grenade fired from a draftee a tank. The incident happened after night exercises, and tank commander Dmitry Otstavnykh did not check if there was anyone on the armor when he discharged his car.

Outside was a driver Raushan Fatikhov, who received a ruptured spleen, crush kidney, intra-abdominal bleeding and experienced acute blood loss, ITAR-TASS reports.

The victim was taken to a military hospital, where he was operated on. Doctors have assured Life News that Fatikhov has a chance of recovery.

On the tank commander Retired investigators opened a case of violation of the rules of treatment of weapons and objects of increased danger to others.

Note that there are many tragic stories about soldiers and officers of the Elansky garrison. So, 24-year-old private Dmitry Bogoderov from this garrison was treated for antritis. When he began to faint in the ranks and lose memory, he was hospitalized. It turned out that he has brain cancer.

The loudest state of emergency was the death of ordinary Ruslan Aiderkhanov. The conscript killed 31 August 2011 of the year - he was found hanging from a tree. Examination of the body showed that he died as a result of suicide. But Ayderkhanov's relatives did not believe in this version - they told about numerous injuries on his body. The investigators explained that the knife wounds were incisions from the autopsy, and the abrasions on the face and hands were due to convulsions when hanging from strikes against the knots of the tree. In July, the case of the death of a soldier was closed.

Comments

[Krsk]

Hold on boy

[Alexander]

But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander

But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.

Che scared? so you’ll check yourself what kind of officer it will turn out of you.

[mehanik27]

In the third year, you need to think more about school, rather than surf the Internet and think where to send

[Alexander]

Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones. In winter, they suffer from pneumonia with whole copuses, and indeed the Elan part is such an alternative to the railway troops (maybe you will understand what I'm hinting at).

[TUNISIA]

Quote: Alexander

Do you even know what conditions there are?

Fighter, why did you choose a military university? Conditions, you say? I just started to study, but already in my pants I applied it, I was afraid of pneumonia. Go and serve, once you have chosen a profession for yourself!

[Lopatov]

Quote: TUNISIA

Fighter, why did you choose a military university?

To overcome difficulties for the sake of difficulties themselves? It doesn’t matter.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: TUNISIA

Fighter, why did you choose a military university?

Well, to get a tower for free, and I’m not sick of a scholarship either. And after graduation, you can get the hell out of us. We haven’t come up with a law on this subject. In this part, you can serve many people. Have you heard anything about Borzyu?

[s1н7т]

Quote: ramzes1776

In this part, it’s still possible to serve many people for happiness. Have you heard anything about Borzyu?

"... threatening China with gonorrhea,
The beautiful Borzya is standing. "
What is wrong with the Borzoi?
Oh, youth! Drinking beer on a Sunday with Borzya in Chita was a sweet deal
And what kind of cakes were made in the Nadezhda cafe near the station ?!
But Borzya was almost a capital, however! There were also "more fun" places. For example, URs of the 1st and 2nd lines. Have you been to Borz for a long time?

[ramzes1776]

Quote: c1n7

Have you been in Borzoi for a long time?

It was a driveway in 2011. The ruins of his town sfotkal. Troops only in Borz and remained.
I fly there from 1999 to 2002. he served in Sherlova Gora almost to the chaos of the local population, and then transferred the base to Drovyanaya. We were scared by 71 patrols at the school, and got to 79 I was in Billutue, Dosatue, Bezrechka, Mirnaya, Yasnaya and in many other "outstanding" places. We were told that whoever served on Manzhurka will not be afraid of anything in his future service.

[ramzes1776]

And these are the remnants of our town, where films about the war can be made. So throughout Manzhurka.

[wave]

How old are you, 13 years old? You are aware of the fact that if you told him that while looking into his eyes, you would instantly get in the teeth ...?! You showed disrespect to a stranger, because you know that you are in the shadows and no one here sees or knows you. It's not masculine. Moreover, you are rolling to the rank of "TROLL", not a major! Rip off his pagons and place the TROLL badge

[mehanik27]

In my opinion you are raving ...

[ramzes1776]

Quote: mehanik27

In my opinion you are raving ...

In a difficult stage ...

[vorobey]

Quote: Alexander

Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones.

Brother, why did you go to serve. They can even send to war.

[ziqzaq]

Quote: Alexander

Do you even know what conditions there are?

Just do not la la. Turned the army into the institute of noble maids ...
In our company, next to the daytime thermometer, it was hanging and God forbid it shows less than +15, the outfit dies, and in the barracks a glass of water was frozen through by morning. The one who on the bedside table every 5-10 minutes warmed his breath (in the sense of a thermometer).
At first, almost everyone was a little sick, but then - even if you sleep in the snow ....
"The Russian soldier is a child of nature, he feeds on moss and sleeps while standing up !!!", and now he is also resistant to artillery ...
The kid is certainly sorry, hold on bro !!

[klimpopov]

I agree with you on 400 percent !!! And how are they going to survive in the field / mountains? But now you can sleep in the snow ... (I am to myself) To each his own ...
A mess must be eradicated! And it's commanders !!! And if there a gang of watering can wound up then the snakes must be tough and strict! And when the prosecutor starts doing business, oh how snot will flow, and not only snot!

[Uncle]

Quote: Alexander

this is such an alternative to the railway troops (maybe you will understand what I'm hinting at).

I served in them, like a building battalion, only with weapons. Do not bzdi, you will survive.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander

In winter, they suffer from pneumonia with whole copuses,

Tank ?!

Quote: Alexander

Do you even know what conditions there are? And right now I'll tell you which ones.

I was there on the 4th internship in an infantry regiment. The walls in the barracks were covered with ice from the inside. We slept in clothes, covering everything with what is possible. At -45 field output is normal
But no one "pinched" the BMP, if it was necessary to drive to the village for vodka
By the way, the champion of the Armed Forces driving a BMP, Captain J., I had a company there.
The most vivid impression was that I went at night in an infantry fighting vehicle to drive around the neighborhood, an hour later the electrician "grunted". night, winter, blizzard - where to go ?! And at 6 am our train left. Nothing, not frozen. And did not get sick
Not "minus", I just laugh at the current generation!

[Slevinst]

I served in the railway forces, there’s nothing terrible, a shovel is the worst weapon

[Civil]

like this Ruslan was beating his face against a bitch:

so he beat his back against a tree:



and this he kicked off the pathologist:

[Piterkras]

Apparently, you hardly saw the corpses of gallows, which hung for a long time on a tree. From the wind, and it doesn’t. Google - learn a lot.

[Rudakov]

they beat him with a belt, traces of a buckle. the beast

[klimpopov]

But the fact that you publish a photo of this guy is at least not ethical, and you can at least slip on your tongue, but somehow it’s wrong ... These photos should in fact lie and not be publicly posted ... Hypocrite ...

[Uncle]

Quote: klimpopov

These photos should be in the business and not publicly posted ..

Society has the right to draw its own conclusions. I do not believe the press, a complete distortion of the facts. Although the photos did not give me anything, I am not an expert.

[klimpopov]

It’s just not ethical and it’s not the media that you think about relatives. How many photos will they walk on the net? This is flour for the mother, she already buried him and then they pull him out and all over again ....

[Piterkras]

His mother did not seem to have been. Only aunt. So this aunt also not laid out such photos of the corpse.

[klimpopov]

Well then, at least treat the guy normally ... Maybe we’ll publish pictures from Rostov refrigerators, with the mutilated corpses of the Boys (the cars there have stood on sidings for such a long time)? I didn’t want to say this ...
There is no more of him ... But who should do this is known ... I am not an advocate of piety and morality, but still

[Elliot]

I think so too, I don’t think that such photos should be put on public display, in general. And especially to post here who wants to find

[Shoma-1970]

YES ..... YOU PUT SUCH A PHOTO FOR REVIEW, I can’t look at it, I’m tired already, stop it !!!

[Ascetic]

Shoma-1970,

A veiled mat ... until an oral reprimand

[klimpopov]

The ascetic salute himself almost broke.

[Shoma-1970]

Ascetic:
I'm sorry comrade marshal!

[wave]

Why are you posting such material. And if it were you ...?! Would you be pleased to know that anyone who wants to have access to photos of your disfigured corpse, and the ability to publish them anywhere? The skin you are soulless!

[klimpopov]

You said correctly, I tried with restraint, but I want to swear ...

[Civil]

costs of work, professional deformation of the personality, sometimes in order to stop relapses of such acts, it will be more correct to lay out the possible consequences of unmotivated aggression!

[vilenich]

Quote: Alexander

But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.

That's great, gain experience, help the commanders fight against instability, implement strict security measures!
I wish you success!

[mehanik27]

I’ll continue the logical chain --- you will grow dirty from fear, you will get drunk double bass in the face (there’s no grandfather already, so we improvise) and then quickly get out of the military school and pay a penalty for training

[Mikado]

I have never heard that a penalty is required to pay anyone

[mehanik27]

I will not argue about whether there is a penalty or not, although some heralds of the Serdyukov reform in those days, they gladly shouted that it is now. Although I look on the Internet in legal forums, many turn to lawyers for a problem that they expelled either themselves expelled and they receive papers demanding to pay different nth amounts

[Lopatov]

But everyone was going to introduce this norm from the beginning of the 90s, no less.

[mehanik27]

Well, if you haven’t heard, this does not mean that you don’t. Catch a reference about a cadet Kamenev that owes the state 400 thousand

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[Mikado]

is it rather an exception to the rule, only 7 lawsuits? and how many cadets were expelled for the entire time or were expelled without paying the penalty? 7 suits is a drop in the ocean. We had a lot of people leaving the "connection", none of them paid, although before leaving, many were frightened by these penalties. A good friend studied at the Academy of Space Forces near Moscow, said that they had half a platoon expelled in their fourth years and no one paid. For some reason MinOb is not very willing to do this, and if it does it only on camera, it's strange.

[mehanik27]

What year was it that you were talking about ??? I studied at the end of the 90s, we were also constantly scared, but there were never any precedents. And the payment of forfeits has only now begun to be practiced.

[Mikado]

It was in 2007 - 2009.

[mehanik27]

Well, everything is clear, in 2007-2009 everything was still the old way, they began to practice forfeits since 2010, as in the case that I brought.

[sergo0000]

mehanik27,
Why pay!? Will do it. He will receive a lieutenant. 2-3 years old he will be in office and with a clear conscience who has given a debt to his homeland citizen, quit family! And there the path to the civil service is open and God forbid in politics! But how do you want me to be wrong!
In general, this mess in the army, a mirror image of what is happening in our society! The commanders do not play the fighters until the seventh or twenty-seventh sweat, a buffet, an afternoon nap, cell phones, all this does not help to maintain and maintain discipline. A lot of free time, the absence of punishment in the form of a "lip" - corrupts young organisms.
It's another matter when a soldier is chased during the day so that he can only dream about the end of the day, then there will be no thoughts of how to beat someone! Liberalism in the army is a grief first of all for the fighter himself. Thank God that he was born. before the current mess and to their commanders, that for some 2 years they made me a real junior commander and a cool special-that "master"! Do not believe me guys, after a year of service I was in the position of a castle and a foreman of a tank company! Where are the officers and commanders of that level of training!? Or maybe then people went to the army by vocation and the officers became the chosen ones !?
Peace be upon the dead boy! Actually, a photo of a dead body on the Internet is beyond my comprehension!

[klimpopov]

Those commanders are now retired ... One is lying on the sofa at home ... I speak for the father of sense ...

[mehanik27]

Well, it’s not so easy for family members to leave now, the path to the civil service is not more and no less for a reserve officer than for a citizen who did not serve in the army at all. Although in general it is even more for a non-serving person, look at our politicians)))) )

[Sinbad]

That's right, he himself served 81-83 as a driver on the 72-ke. The last six months on combat training, dashed off ad libitum. And I can definitely say that only then, at the end of the service, I really learned how to drive a tank and understand it. And in a year nothing can be learned.

[starshina78]

How many people write about this garrison, but there is little sense. Now one thing, now another. I liked the version of the investigation about the hanged boy, that he allegedly inflicted wounds on himself on a twig of a tree. Almost like in the joke "he himself fell on the pitchfork twelve times."

[Alexander]

With such parts, no war is needed

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alexander

With such parts, no war is needed

Or maybe you are needed there just to change something? Or to smear snot on the cheeks and talk about the alleged horrors of service, does this honor the future officer?

[Lopatov]

In order to change, you need to be aware of the problem. And not to think, like some local minusers, that all these "difficulties" arising from someone's carelessness are not only normal, but are actually necessary for the education of a normal military man.

He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.

[BARKAS]

Quote: Spade

He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.

So it was in the Elan training course always from here and the name "valley of death" but I myself donated blood to a tanker who was hit by a burst from an anti-aircraft tank machine gun at close range during exercises.

[Lopatov]

Stand out even against the background of general disorder?

Feels my heart, someday men will say "from the machine" to the professional military: "guys, why should we feed you, if you can't put things in order at your place and in peacetime"

[mehanik27]

Well, let them say it, maybe the first one say ???

[Lopatov]

I can not. The longest fed

[Piterkras]

Then they will feed the Caucasians with the Chinese. Not a big trouble.

[Lopatov]

Replace. To the workers and peasants. And according to the commissioner with a Nagan, they will be put next to each military specialist.

[old rocket man]

Lopatov,
It helped? Did you see this tanker yourself? After the KPVT’s turn, they don’t survive. Even they don’t get to the sanbat.

[Lopatov]

You are not addressing that.
Nevertheless, the KPVT is not used as an anti-aircraft machine gun on the tank.

[Piterkras]

Death Valley is a forest, lower from the part. There often the companions ran away and hid. Some hung themselves there. Therefore, the name is.

[s1н7т]

Quote: BARKAS

the tanker who was hit by the turn from an anti-aircraft tank machine gun at point blank range during exercises.

Hrenase! Alive?

[s1н7т]

Quote: Spade

He should be crap out of the fact that he ran 10 km in full, and not because someone is unable to cope with the flu.

Medicine, by the way, is "at the level" - when I fell ill with "rubella", they just sent me - go, wash yourself, soldier! When he threatened to give it to the pig, they made the correct diagnosis In the army, it is sometimes necessary to show some where their place is. I think so in all armies.
And after 10 km in 45 minutes. should be good !

[Lopatov]

Quote: c1n7

And after 10 km in 45 minutes. should be good

That day is still good. Bad next.

In medicine, it has never been particularly good up to the regiment level. As the saying goes, "in the army, be afraid of three explosives ...".

[Alexander]

I do not dissolve nurses, but I say that they do not cherish our defenders in the Russian Defense Ministry.

[Piterkras]

It is the defenders themselves who do not take care of themselves, thinking that they are the smartest, and the "jackals" are a bird on a bird. They hammer on orders, violate TB, engage in amateur performances, look for an ass of adventure. Everyone cannot be watched non-stop.

[mehanik27]

And then why the hell do you need it? Come and change something for the better, and not noah on the internet. Although, by the very fact of your experiences, the first question here arises-why do you need you in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation ???

[s1н7т]

Quote: Alexander

With such parts, no war is needed

Yes, no, the usual part. You need to have normal health and your own idea of ​​the military life and service of the troops - the rest is shit, in general. Well, and know the "subject", of course.

[aleksandroff]

ALL I THINK IN THIS PART LIKE OTHERS. I am simply surprised that from one death in the army the media kindles, as if they are dying in droves. why don't they spread how many guys in civilian life die between the ages of 18 and 27, drink too much, become junkies, etc., having got rid of the army. sometimes it seems that it is better for a son to join the army - it will be livelier, and the benefits are enormous. I myself served in the construction battalion and we had a lot of guys from a "young age", they seemed incredible fuckers, but after the army they did not go to crime (but began in the 90s), but started families and still live with norms. horrible to think if they had not served. it is the education of the army. always someone somewhere dies, but they never made a sensation out of it, and it was calmer. During my service, three died in two parts nearby, so one got drunk into the transformer (he was an electrician at work, the other also got drunk under the ZIL 130 dump truck, the third hanged himself (the girl did not wait). Now the media would write a lot about them incredible.I am proud that I served.and people are not ashamed to look in my face and there is something to talk about with the guys, even with adults.not so scary as the media paint it.although the media are needed so that some officers keep themselves in check. to a friend in the Kostroma in the airborne division and after talking with commanders from contract sergeants to com part, I took pride in our army, we will not be lost with them and we need to support them, and not spread rot through the media (in which there are a lot of non-service idiots). I think somewhere it is specially done so that the people do not respect their army, which is a disaster.

[Garrin]

Sorry for the kid. God grant that he survived and does not remain disabled!

[just me]

It’s sad to write, but without one kidney and with a rupture of the spleen, he is already disabled, and probably the most difficult group

[Joker]

Mind does not understand Russia After all, there are rules, why can’t you follow them? There is sure to be some kind of eccentric letter M, which believes that the rules for fools are written. It would be necessary to complete the entire unit and check the entire officer corps in all units, that they .... are suffering, and not recruits are being taught.

[mehanik27]

Jopta, and we think what to do with the army, but we just need to finish all the parts and we will be happy ... Yes, you urgently need to be the defense ministers, now we will wait when Shoigu is lured and you’ll leave for some other position and then you all show how and what to do with the army

[Piterkras]

This is not about the officers, but about the conscripts themselves. For the most part, these conscripts wanted to spit on safety precautions. They consider themselves smarter than everyone. So such stories turn out.

[BARKAS]

Quote: piterkras

It’s not about the officers, but about the conscripts themselves

I’m all to blame. I’ll give an example. It was so an conscript comes out of the tent. He sees an automaton lying on the ground without a store. He picks up a contractor. He asks what kind of machine is charged. he says I don’t know, let's check the back of the ass. I’ll shoot, he turns and bends down. There is a shot. A contract soldier is killed in a military unit. you need to do something with TB in the army!

[Uncle]

Quote: BARKAS

here is how it was

Was it a bike or was it in kind? Very similar to the truth.

[Mikado]

Konesh bike, one would have thought that in the darkness they found a grenade and put it in their mouth without a check, to test the real one or not, not such idiots serve there. But the fact that they tried to steal cartridges from the shooting ranges on medallions, carrying them in the barrel of the machine gun, then they forgot about the hidden cartridge and started aiming at each other in the Bosko and pressing the trigger with a known result, it was.

[Piterkras]

Lies, anyway. Tales of those who have not served.

[BARKAS]

It was the 95th in the Gudermes armed conflict zone! in our part.

[Uncle]

Quote: piterkras

For the most part, these conscripts wanted to spit on safety precautions.

They are almost children. Well, what consciousness does a guy have at 18!

[klimpopov]

With normal preparation, they send nothing to the guard, the tower was not demolished (many examples) and fight as it should if NECESSARY

[mehanik27]

well, yes, yes ... a soldier he is like a child, only ... big ... just something like history shows at 18 years old and fought and did children and led states earlier .. And we can’t do it now at 18 years old follow yourself ... Trouble, trouble ..

[klimpopov]

I agree! And there’s nothing to add!

[Ascetic]

Quote: mehanik27

just ... big ..

It was possible to write a hellish slog without violating the rules of the site? Or did the Joker write it means now?

[Tsoi is alive]

Quote: Ascetic

It was possible to write a hellish slog without violating the rules of the site?

It is necessary to put in the rules of the site!

[mehanik27]

Horseradish is a small genus of perennial herbaceous plants of the Cabbage family, but what I wrote is somewhat different and you won’t erase words from the song

[Tsoi is alive]

Eheheh .., would write - "Oh my God, I am overwhelmed with emotions, it seems to me that somewhere in the code an error has crept in" - and everything, everyone is clear and understandable!

[Ascetic]

mehanik27,

Horseradish is one who enters into a wrangle about a justly stated remark.
1. The moderator is always right
2. If the moderator is wrong, see point 1

[mehanik27]

Sorry, but you are too annoying, the difference is not fundamental. Your behavior does not meet my expectations, and therefore do not distract me, please, I'm busy right now. (I hope that I was able to comply with all the rules of the site)

[Piterkras]

These "children" look like children, and if you serve with this, you will learn a lot for them. Many more adults will be given a head start. Just give them freedom. Our Caucasians, for example, in the city where the unit was, often local students were beaten by faces on disks when they were AWOL or were on leave. Who else is there "children" ...

[Shoma-1970]

For failure to observe personal and collective security measures, everyone should bear strict responsibility, and if necessary, criminal!

[Ascetic]

Quote: Joker

After all, there are rules, why can’t you follow them? There is sure to be some kind of eccentric letter M, which believes that the rules for fools are written

In Russia, it is customary to read instructions after something fails or force majeure happens and not before .. Alas .. We are all rich in hindsight.

[Lopatov]

Quote: Ascetic

In Russia, it is customary to read instructions after something fails or force majeure happens

Or before a difficult conversation with the uncle from the military prosecutor’s office

[mehanik27]

All the same, in most cases, this uncle the prosecutor reads the instructions for the startled and modestly smiling client, who, if he suspected her existence, had never seen

[Lopatov]

It happens in different ways.
The exhibition of achievements of the world automotive industry in the parking lot near the VP building is good, but sometimes the work needs to be shown.

[mehanik27]

In such cases, it’s rare ... well, maybe the youngest and the most arrogant or something ostentatious, go and it’s much more interesting to deal with embezzlement, here the prosecutor himself can get something wrong.

[old rocket man]

Joker,
Instead of studying at school, they rummaged through the Internet in search of a warm duty station

[Lopatov]

And isn’t it winter holidays now?

And even if he is in school, then it’s better to fumble on the sampo on the Internet than to sleep

[mehanik27]

All the same, it seems to me that sleeping on sampo is more useful than studying the Internet))) But vacation on everyone happens differently.

[Lopatov]

Oh well, then the neck hurts.

[mehanik27]

only a stupid and negligent cadet or soldier can hurt his neck, which just stupidly goes about the most low-lying desires of his body. The person is more sophisticated in this matter, and according to the subject’s comments, he is in his third year and must correspond, goes to sleep with all responsibility and conducts this process in accordance with the guidelines, compliance with safety requirements and maximum comfort

[s1н7т]

Quote: Joker

they’re more bullshit, not taught draftees.

Strictly speaking, officers have nothing to do with draftees. I mean the army.

[Hairy Siberian]

Maybe this "notorious" Elan garrison should be renamed?
And then the negative is very wide! Requires peace in peace!

[klimpopov]

Can a mess stop the time in this garrison? I judge by what is published - I did not see it myself. But apparently there is a lot of mess.

[Hairy Siberian]

Maybe! But still it would not hurt to invite a priest and a mullah.

[klimpopov]

Military prosecutors should be invited ...

[воронов]

As well as a rabbi, shaman and Buddhist priest

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: voronov

As well as a rabbi, shaman and Buddhist priest

And also the committee of soldier’s mothers, state control, the college of lawyers, sanitation, ecology, the Ministry of Emergencies and part can be forgotten.
Usually after a long stagnation, when the troops begin to engage in combat training, usually and various emergency situations occur.
It will not hurt to punish the management team that they would come to their senses and work conscientiously.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Hairy Siberian

even a priest and a mullah to invite would not hurt.

For urgent, it would not hurt, they are so well-fed

[Andrey58]

Can change Comanche? They say it helps.

[Lopatov]

A new broom sweeps clean, and breaks off - it bends down under a bench. (with)

It will help, but not for long. 3-4 months.

[Andrey58]

It depends on the broom. If instead of the handle the scrap is, it will not break.

Such problematic garrisons need a man with combat experience.

[s1н7т]

Quote: klimpopov

But apparently there is a lot of mess

As everywhere, actually. Do you think Chebarkul is better?
If you are prof. military, I remind you - an army can exist only in 2 states - to fight or prepare for war, in the 3rd state there is no army.

[BARKAS]

This is criminal idiocy I served there and this event does not surprise me. Elan has always been famous for such facts.

[воронов]

Maybe the Elan garrison is in the anomalous zone?

[BARKAS]

The zone is called "Death Valley" really!

[avt]

Quote: BARKAS

The zone is called "Death Valley" really!

"Death Valley" is put in order by elementary discipline in compliance with the law through the military prosecutor's office and military tribunal and the execution of the sentence regardless of person, rank and rank. There have been no other alternatives in the WORLD and in the near foreseeable future.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: avt

There were no other alternatives in the WORLD and in the near foreseeable future there will be none.

I totally agree.

[Piterkras]

Will not help. Proven by practice. As long as our people have the mentality that we have, everything will remain as before.

[comTMG]

Tell me a friend about mentality.
I was 2 years with pneumonia (as it turned out) I handed over 3 km and could not understand why it does not work out. But he did. And went on vacation. Which cheerfully ached.
Is that Apatity your Khibiny mentality?

[s1н7т]

Quote: komTMG

Is that Apatity your Khibiny mentality?

This is when you suck, but for the sake of vacation you run 3 km. regardless of pneumonia.

[ramzes1776]

Quote: piterkras

Will not help.

Everything depends on the commander !!!

[mehanik27]

Beautiful words ... beautiful impulses ... only in the conditions of our reality, with a clumsy bureaucratic machine and a corrupt prosecutor’s office, everything quickly subsides.

[Piterkras]

If you served there, you would know that it’s not a part of the name, but the forest, which is located lower on the slope from the part.

[vorobey]

The incident happened after night exercises, and tank commander Dmitry Otstavnykh did not check if there was anyone on the armor when he discharged his car.

Outside there was a driver

Some crap. The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor. Direct negligence, and before the tank commander, as there was no discipline in the crew.

[Nechai]

Quote: vorobey

The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor. Direct negligence, and before the tank commander, as there was no discipline in the crew.

And the mechanic driver was most likely executing the command AT THE INITIAL line "To the car!", And KT, openly, accidentally or remembered something, pressed the button at that moment.
There was a similar case in Totskiy. Kom.Tanka forgot to check the PKT for discharges at the ceasefire line. The gunner left the T-72ki turret in position ON the left wing liner (the "Luna" stood ABOVE the mechanical drive hatch). Arrived at the starting point, CT duplicated the command from the tower "To the car!" The hatch has already opened. And then I remembered that I had not checked the machine gun. And at this moment the mechanic, swearing, crawled out from under the pot of the searchlight. The CT decided to check it again, not as it should be - to open the cover of the receiver box, MAKE SURE that there is no cartridge in the hooks and only make a descent with the top. And quickly, just pressing the trigger ... Fur a bullet AND POWDER gases (shot at point-blank range) in the forearm ... He jumped out of the car, started to run to the tower and fell unconscious ... But it wasn’t pot-bellied greenery in the carriage. The furs were successfully treated in the hospital. CT got off with a lip.

[vorobey]

Nechai,

Valera, we already had a joke in our 4th year company. Cars were preparing for firing a stock. 6 cars were shot putting in a row side to side. We omit the reconciliation. The third car was already shooting when our capter in the transmissions ran to the head car. And at 72, at the moment when the gun is at the loading angle and the conveyor feeds the projectile for reloading, the hatch in the tower opens and the shot pan is extracted through it. Capter in the tower and caught the pan, the benefit was a hat on his head. The guy was demolished simply, I can’t remember these running legs in the air without laughing. The trick is that he did not even immediately understand what it was.

and I also tried to disassemble another PKT companion in 72 on the go, I already told mine. the return springs entered the forehead between the eyes.
The nickname piggy bank stuck to it for a characteristic scar.

[s1н7т]

Quote: vorobey

the hatch in the tower opens and a shot pan is extracted through it.

Well, that is not the T-62!

[s1н7т]

Quote: Nechai

In Totsky there was a similar incident. Kom.Tanka forgot at the turn

Fuck-up! And he reported to the "tower" - what was horrible?

[vilenich]

Quote: vorobey

Some crap. The weapon is discharged on the director. The mechanic was covered with a smoke grenade from a cloud. It does not stick like that. What the mechanic on the dirrektris did on top of the armor.

So the article states:

Quote: vorobey

The incident happened after night exercises.

Most likely, night BSVs or RTUs were held, at the ceasefire, the weapons were not discharged (smoke grenade), and only then (possibly even in the fleet of military vehicles) this all happened.
I also had a case when the crew removed the charge at the ceasefire, and then they wanted to pick out the shell, so we arrived with him in the field park. I managed to notice in time (I always checked the discharged weapons before servicing the equipment after firing and exercises), otherwise they had already begun to twist the bar in order to knock the shell out of the gun with a banner. What could happen only God knows!

[flanker7]

Comrades, who will say why a smoke grenade at regular firing? Well, in the exercises, still back and forth, they used to, it was the case, but on the stocks, never! Some kind of crap .....

[vilenich]

Quote: flanker7

at regular firing

The article says "after night exercises", there was no question of firing a regular projectile.

[flanker7]

Oops, I agree, was inattentive! But again: night exercises and smoke grenades. Why put a smoke screen at night? I've never heard of this ... Still, some kind of crap ...

[Armata]

Explain to me so for a stupid person. As on the armor appeared MECHANIC DRIVER. How could he end up on the armor of a tank? Has he ever read the rules?

[vorobey]

Quote: Mechanic

Has he ever read the rules?

Eugene here is another nuance. If I remember correctly, then with the mechanics open, the firing chains open and it is simply impossible to shoot. I don’t remember just about the cloud.

Quote: Mechanic

How the MECHANIC DRIVER ended up on the armor

Who let him. Either he scored and climbed on CT, or, nevertheless, the dropout of KT fired a grenade by accident.

[mehanik27]

vorobey, and you never contacted the microcontrollers of the hatches in the line ???

[vorobey]

Quote: mehanik27

never contacts on microcontrollers of hatches

you will laugh - never.

Another nuance is that the unloading of weapons on the direct track is controlled not only by the tank commanders but also by the gunner at 30-00. The mechanic can leave the car when the tower is turned on at 35-00 or 25-00, that is, on the camp. Here is the oil painting.

[Armata]

Quote: vorobey

Here's another nuance. If I remember correctly, then with the hatch open, the firing chains open and it is simply impossible to shoot. I don’t remember just about the cloud.

Well, duck and I’m talking about (Sanya quietly begins to understand something in the Armored when you were tied up by the person responsible for the Armat project.) Although the tanks are just oak.

[Tersky]

Quote: Mechanic

Although the tanks are just oak.

Zhen, it's just "oaks" sitting in tanks ..

[Armata]

Quote: Tersky

Zhen, it's just "oaks" sitting in tanks ..

Vitya, well, not all. But I'm actually an oak. You know when they threw it on a project, but you don’t understand it.

[Tersky]

Quote: Mechanic

You know when they threw it on a project, but you don’t understand it.

Zhenya, it’s clear that not all, but there are exotics, it’s not on paper where if you make a mistake you can cross out and re-calculate,

[Armata]

Quote: Tersky

Zhenya, it’s clear that not all, but there are exotics, it’s not on paper where if you make a mistake you can cross out and re-calculate,

Vitya duck, I now have to dream the dreams of designers with the reality of technologists and Wishlist operators combine. Although I already regretted 20 once that I left the design. There is such a buzz. Abuse can be only once every six months, and then at 3 hours you will stay for a maximum. And not some panic.

[vorobey]

Quote: Tersky

tanks "oaks" sit

Do you know all four wooden parts in a tank?

[vilenich]

Quote: vorobey

the loading of weapons on the directrix is ​​controlled

So, after all, nothing is said about the director, apparently the case was somewhat different, although of course a flagrant violation of security measures is seen by someone. tank, com. platoon and com. companies.

[Nechai]

Quote: mehanik27

and you never contact the microcontrollers of hatches did not short-circuit to a line ???

"mehanik27", I honestly confess to you, if there was such a "craftsman" to dig in the micrushki, to stick the needles into the cable, I immediately led them to the OO for a preventive conversation. And everyone is fine, well, almost. From now on, the fighter had to work with sexot. But did the special officers put themselves a bird? Yes, and even a frame scared before it was impossible to get fucked. No one will ditch my technology. Uncle Constructor, he didn’t wrinkle his forehead, wondering where to create what blocking chains! Well, and the fact that the sex is homegrown, so to speak, is generally wonderful!

[mehanik27]

Honestly, your logic is not clear - you yourself can’t get the soldier to comply with TB and your orders and therefore lead him to a special department ... to hell ??? Besides, you are clearly not familiar with the work of the Specialists. which you also know? A good specialist has a lot of channels for obtaining information and you are unlikely to know about them.

[vilenich]

Quote: Nechai

if there was such a "craftsman" to dig in micrushki,

We usually dealt with such "craftsmen" ourselves, because it will be more expensive to have a sexot at our side!

Quote: mehanik27

To hell with them sexot about which you also know?

Where there is one famous person, there they will still recruit a bunch of unknown persons!
Work specifics...

[mehanik27]

They don’t have such specifics of work .... how many did not come across OO, there are no suspicions of anyone, but the special police officer knows if not everything, then a lot. case it's a young lieutenant

[vilenich]

Quote: mehanik27

and you never contacted the microcontroller hatches directly

And why lock them, it will be more expensive for yourself!

[mehanik27]

Why the question is rhetorical, but there were facts ....

[s1н7т]

Quote: vorobey

when the hatch is open, the mechanics of the firing chain open

Here is the benefit of the site - I have already forgotten this "trick"!

[mehanik27]

the truth is there is one nuance, if previous generations did not short circuit directly to you ....

[anchonsha]

We have a lot of this mess everywhere because of the slackness and irresponsibility of leaders. And to bring them to justice immediately there are hundreds of advocates and compassionate.

[Piterkras]

A typical manifestation of army gouging and disregard for safety from the personnel. No wonder. This is very close.

[Committee]

The percentage of injuries from TB violations is not so high in recent years, but 10 years ago it was higher, for example. And remember the first Chechen and compare with the second - heaven and earth. It is a pity, of course, for the soldier, because even though the injury rate is "half a percent", no one wants to get into this "half percent".

[mehanik27]

10 years ago and the army was more

[Piterkras]

Why do you think so?

[Committee]

No, there were fewer people in the army in the first Chechen than in the second, if not at times.

[mehanik27]

and the second one was not 10 years ago, but I agree with the essence of what was said about these companies.

[ruton]

Because of one eccentric, so many people will suffer so much .. Starting from who is in the hospital to the company .. How did the mechanic on the armor turn out to be one question, but the tank commander was discharged ..

[nalexx]

He himself served in training in N. Tagil. All the officers and serge told us, rejoice that you didn’t get to Yelan, or else it’s not far away. quite a while ago

[Avenger711]

What's the news? In the army there is a lot of danger, to investigate and take measures for non-repetition.

[ifhsuby]

It’s necessary, like in the police, I committed an offense and a mass grave immediately forms around you - from the squad commander and above to a citizen

[mehanik27]

This crazy idea, which sooner or later will give rise to a monstrous mutual responsibility. It should be just a tough personal responsibility.

[Lopatov]

Already spawned, and for a very long time. The idea is not crazy, it is deeply vicious.

[stalker]

I heard a lot for Yelan, he himself came from the Urals, the evil fame about her is coming.

[itr]

Elan is known from the USSR there was always tough
Damn, I served there 96, I tried last year when I drove home from the city of Eburg and missed

[Kolyan 2]

vorobey (3) Today, 18:41 ↑ ↓ new 4
Quote: Alexander
But they want to send us there on the 3rd year.


Che scared? so you’ll check yourself what kind of officer it will turn out of you.

And learn better and the soldier will teach something, look and Elan will cease to come across in the news. And I'm afraid of difficulties, as the division commander used to say "to trade bananas for civilian life."

[Sergey47]

Accidents in civilian life are not uncommon. God grant that the soldier will get better. Another reason for the "soldiers' mothers" to pour slops on the army. It would be better if this tank shot them and their sponsors.

[воронов]

This fact once again confirms that a fighter cannot be taught anything worthwhile in a year.

[Renat]

Military doctors are good. Hope to get the kid out. He got to the hospital a couple of times.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Renat

Military doctors are good

There were, before Serdyukov.

[ruton]

Apparently they brought to Ekat .. now there are no hospitals nearby ..

[Armata]

Quote: ruton

Apparently they brought to Ekat .. now there are no hospitals nearby

There is a good hospital in Artyomovsky.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Vladimirets

There were, before Serdyukov.

Not true. In the 90th he arrived in Mirny (ZabVO), a picture was taken in the hospital - the names of the neurosurgeons who performed the operation were named. I am surprised. I was told that this is one of the best in the country! Their handwriting recognizes any self-respecting specialist. And a year later, on vacation, I meet one of them - he says, he went to look for work! So Serdyukov-Putin is simply the continuation of the Yeltsin case.

[mehanik27]

So we are all literate people here and even remember a little about logic ... Who appointed Serdyukov to the post of MORF? .. Putin, if my memory serves me right.
Who elevated Putin (at least officially) and even gave him the reins of government ?? If this is EBN doesn’t fail me?

[Nechai]

Quote: mehanik27

and you never contact the microcontrollers of hatches did not short-circuit to a line ???

And YOU buried later, brought to zinc to my mother, a young fly. To him a bracket, for attaching a tarpaulin, the skull was opened.

Quote: Avenger711

In the army there is a lot of danger, to investigate and take measures for non-repetition.

I already talked about this once. In traumatology, in a smoking room, a scene two fighters help each other to light a cigarette. One has no left hand and a split face (tried to spread 12,7mm), the other has no right hand, right eye, etc. (from 14,5mm to quietly having fun), The difference in time of receipt is ten days. I ask "straight from the tin" - have you received an order for this now your sidekick? - Yeah. - And what conclusions have you made for yourself? - It is necessary to prepare for demobilization. I really wanted to bring home polished KPVTeshny patron ... a souvenir ...
The issue must be decided on the draft at 21. When a young man tried ALREADY a bit of life! And not to put a BABY cut off from mother's skirt into operation. Sergeants FROM LEADERS to cook, not just anyone. Not to mention the reserve officers. Here serve the dear soldier. And then you’ll either be assigned a command VUS or a technical one. It’s a relief to employers and employers - I looked at the identity card of the reserve officer, and everything is clear - this person can be supervised by this personnel or he can only be entrusted with equipment. The army is a school of life, because it’s not a slogan, but the TRUTH!
And about Yelan it is really often mentioned and taken away not in a good context. Remember they had a T-80 on a forest road and BMP DEFAULT, DROPPED stood all winter? After optimization and reform, when the garrison was defeated and abolished, and its remnants were resettled in dormitories at the BUBT location, at the training ground. The conditions for the LIFE of the families of military personnel became simply awful ... Hence the exile selection of commanders.

[Piterkras]

I served with 18 year olds, 19 year olds and 21 year olds. Only the degree of greyhound of the subject depends on age there, and not his life experience and sanity.

[Armata]

Quote: Nechai

The army is a school of life, because it’s not a slogan, but the TRUTH!

Hello Valera. But for these words You can’t say more correctly.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Nechai

It is necessary to prepare for the demobilization. Cartridge KPVTeshy polished home to bring VERY wanted ... a souvenir ...

But I got MDZ, right?

[Nechai]

Hi Zhen!

Quote: piterkras

Only the degree of greyhound of the subject depends on age there, and not his life experience and sanity.

Greyhound, life experience, sanity - juggling with words. Who do you think (understandable exceptions only confirm the rule) is more greyhound, and who is sane, the one who is from school or the one who is already WORKING on his own, I emphasize by labor that I earned a living and myself and my family?
In the old days, when the call was in 21 year, and the education was mainly 7 classes, then 8 became. But count, a person in 14-15let began his working life. 6-7 years of work experience, not parties for ecstasy ...

[stalker]

I agree with you about the age of draftees, at the age of 18 it’s too early to serve them, 21-23 more or less.

[Armata]

Quote: Nechai

In the old days, when the call was in 21 year, and the education was mainly 7 classes, then 8 became. But count, a person in 14-15let began his working life. 6-7 years of work experience, not parties for ecstasy ...

Valera. From 16 years I went to the factory. Then 3 of the year of the fleet. Then I got a ticket to the institute. So do it yourself with what I have stored.

[Apollo]

Quote: Mechanic

From 16 years I went to the factory. Then 3 of the year of the fleet. Then I got a ticket to the institute. So that do it yourself what I have stored.

and also with little difference only,one to one It’s for these qualities (what I emphasized in your comment) that I appreciate in the first place

[klimpopov]

From 14 years, I started unloading wagons at a garment factory and I studied at the school, but no one sent them to the institute but entered the budget, the military college of communications in Stavropol was a big bribe ... okay, not about that, but I graduated from the institute and then in absentia finished ...

[old rocket man]

Apollo,
Mechanic,
Friends, I agree with you one hundred percent.
I want to add only that a good commander the soldier is full, dressed, and by the end of the day he falls into a bunk and doesn’t even get a pee at night, not like a dope.
A soldier must be loved and respected, but to tear him up like a garbage cat, then at the end of the service he says thanks and sends letters from the "citizen."

[Piterkras]

You are too naive. In practice, what you write is never.

[Avenger711]

Will fools stop breaking cartridges from this? 21 Years are considered by many adult men to be a good age, in principle, a guy manages to abandon moronic school-courtyard habits, but for the majority it will be simply inconvenient, even if not a university, then he has found a job, maybe he’s even married, and you are raked.

[trofim07]

Such cases have been, are and will be while there is combat training! If the exercises are carried out without such ch.p this is a great success! You can’t follow each fighter, and they don’t have a lot of brains, especially among senior servicemen who think that everyone already knows and knows how. minus as you want. OFFICERS WILL ME

[Sergun74]

In life, as in the Army, things happen .... Everything happens is sweet and in chocolate, but it happens to be bearded. Sorry for being rude. For 20 years in the army I saw everything (including fighting). The army is a reflection of society and exceptional devotion to the state, society, etc. etc. and punk rock (Pusi Wright) is all there. Are we few precedents around. THOUGHT ???? It is not necessary to blame the officers for all the sins in the army, they were beaten up anyway, whether ... (especially the link, the company commander - regiment (brigade)). We now have 20% of recruits - they have a criminal past .... And a lot of recruits cannot serve themselves (wash socks, wash their feet, brush their teeth twice a day .... and to melt the stove or floors is already higher mathematics.

[s1н7т]

Yeah, of course! When I had a chance to fly as a "steward", I chose it myself in the regional, regional military registration and enlistment offices - secondary special, over 21 years old, with work experience (fuck who). Or - Tyumen region, hereditary hunter. Or - Tuva, hereditary reindeer herders (boli could turn a runner by the hand). We then wore "mini-balls" from a sling with 2 balls on the arm - a useful thing! And a stranglehold, and a weapon, and a trap can be made. What country is such an army. What is our country striving for? To nothing. And the army is like that.

[Alekseir162]

Quote: trofim07

You can’t follow every fighter

This is especially true of the so-called old-timers. And the guy is really sorry.

[kadcin-max]

The biggest problem of our army is the officers, or rather the officers. Nothing that they themselves can’t do, they have no moral principles, and they watched only cinema about honor. And unfortunately such 99,9%. During the service, I got only one Officer, and the rest, as we called them, was the jackal.

[Lopatov]

And this, my friend, is called pure trolling. Do you achieve something concrete, or so, for the sake of art?

[rpek32]

Quote: Spade

And this, my friend, is called pure trolling.

actually it’s called trolling (which I don’t see here). And about the officers and jackals. + It was a matter of standing on the nightstand, so at night the lieutenant dragged the woman into the barracks.

[common man]

I have a guy (son) in Elani from pneumonia that almost bent over. He served at the training ground, who knows. Judging by the stories, there’s a mess there, but he told far, far from everything, above the roof. And with safety measures tryndets. Then the commander of the unit was replaced, but it seems a little change. Somehow it's sad.

[Shoma-1970]

Well guys, we all served in the army, didn’t they teach us, did we warn about personal and collective security? but still we missed, either out of curiosity, or from something, but no one is safe from accidents, so to blame for the illiteracy of the management team and for, something else I think is not appropriate.

[Dimitr]

Quote: Shoma-1970

Well guys, we all served in the army, didn’t they teach us, did we warn about personal and collective security? but still we missed, either out of curiosity, or from something, but no one is safe from accidents, so to blame for the illiteracy of the management team and for, something else I think is not appropriate.

Sorry, but I do not agree a bit! The officer for this is what would follow personal and collective security, and especially the personnel entrusted to him! And this case is not unfortunate, but a consequence of negligence and gouging! Unfortunately, they again will not write off the illiteracy and negligence of the management team, and many leaders are to blame, not only the tank commander!

[Piterkras]

An officer in the Army is needed to train soldiers in military affairs and to earn money for themselves, and not to educate and track soldiers. Parents should have brought up their children normally. In the Army, such people show themselves in all their glory.

[shurup]

What's that noise? Private emergency in TV. Direct violation of instructions, exacerbated at night.
Rejoice that you were not discharged into the commander in chief, as you did in the second Kolya.
Shoigu is still sorry, preferably not "already", after such publications.

[Ivan Tarasov]

Impunity for commanders leads to the death of soldiers.

[mehanik27]

What kind of impunity ??? Now to this case all who can and cannot be attributed ....

[Lopatov]

And next time, the victim of such an incident will be taken to a civilian hospital, and there they will agree for money not to be reported anywhere.

[mehanik27]

And then ... and the doctors will be happy ....

[Lopatov]

Disgusting practice. In the end, it ends with corpses and plantings for a long time. Especially in the sphere of non-statutory ones, they often cover up "injuries".

[mehanik27]

rotten, but the fact takes place. On the other hand it happens differently. One of my soldiers was put in a civilian hospital, because there were no necessary specialists in the hospital. As a result of being in a civilian medical institution, they decided to charge him. One fine May Monday they said that in a couple of days the documents would come and at the end of the week he would be home, dismissed from military service. A happy soldier decided to see what was good on TV there, but the picture quality was disgusting. He went to the nurse , took her keys to the canopy with the utility inventory, pulled out a ladder and climbed to mount the antenna on a tree. From where he fell from a height of 5-6 meters. He peeled his whole body off the tree, hit his head on the concrete side of the bench that was under the tree and on the asphalt and after half an hour without regaining consciousness he died. The appearance was worse than in the photo that was brought here and already removed. And instead of Saturday to please the mother and common-law wife with their child I brought the coffin with his body home ...

[Lopatov]

To carry, perhaps nothing worse. Also, the unit commander drove?

[mehanik27]

Well, I was his unit commander .. and drove home the last way

[Piterkras]

Well you drive, but not very good at it. What kind of unit commander are you there? You are an unaccompanied troll. Feels a mile away.

[lechatormosis]

in most cases, the fate of a soldier depends on the competent actions of the commander of the officer.
If the commander has a shame on the soldier, the consequences are usually not long in coming.

[Zubr]

We have one fighter a bullet filled a bump at night firing. He stuck his head out of the BMP hatch, and then ricocheted from the growth target, the headset struck, the shell was well, the bump was MOTHER NOT BURNING ....
Now it’s ridiculous, of course, and then we almost got over .... a guy was born in a shirt ....

[Nikskiff]

The whole country is the Elan garrison!

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Nikskiff

The whole country is the Elan garrison!

And America is solid Harlem !!!

[Region65]

yes yes, by the way, the topic of hazing in the "valiant army" of the United States is well shown in the movie "Steel Shell" ..... so ....

[Nikskiff]

ramzes1776,
And America is solid Harlem !!!

And here is America, events taking place in Russia, in the Russian army, in particular in the Elan garrison, and America?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Nikskiff

And here is America

Perhaps this is also because your flag resembles an American one.

Quote: Nikskiff

The whole country is the Elan garrison!

[ramzes1776]

Quote: Nikskiff

And here is America

Judging by the flag, are you from there? If from there, then I’ll add that you have civilians who are keen to shoot in broad daylight. And your courts are much more limitless than ours.

[Ash]

I can't say anything about tank troops, but my opinion is unequivocal about the Strategic Missile Forces: soldiers are NOT NECESSARY there, at least in missile divisions. Officers and warrant officers do all the work, soldiers constantly have to be distracted, check the availability of personnel (they, pigs, constantly strive to crawl somewhere, build a "nest" for themselves and fall asleep). I can be reproached for the fact that it is necessary to engage in combat training with them, etc. But believe me, the schedule of personnel involvement is loaded to the limit, officers from In addition, practice shows that it is necessary to train junior officers first of all. And this is a process associated with the secrecy regime, where the fighters will not be allowed. That's why you constantly twitch, running from the cockpit senior operator of the launch site, where the inexperienced engineer of the department sits, until the 505th structure, where you have to assign conscripts not quite necessary tasks just to keep them busy. yayu, it is very distracting. This despite the fact that the soldiers in the missile division do not solve any important issues. Previously there were driver mechanics on small units from among them, but now there are warrant officers with contract soldiers. The officers also carry out protection and defense in the field position. , as well as individual security units. According to the guidance documents, officers and warrant officers are again involved in the folding and deployment of units in the field position. So I am in favor of conscripts not appearing at all.
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PS: Developing the topic, we can add that conscripts in the Strategic Missile Forces do not turn into specialists in a year and do nothing worthwhile, but their stupidity can deliver a non-illusory "hemorrhoids" in case of war, he will be called up as a missile officer. Employees of military enlistment offices at their VUS will, to put it mildly, do not care. Let it be better to call people for military training, for example, for 2-3 weeks a year. Moreover, in the same units, while maintaining their civil salaries. Then I, knowing that this Petya Pupkin would get into my group if something happened, would be interested in teaching him. And Petya Pupkin would clearly understand the order of his actions.

[lechatormosis]

submit a report to Shoygu.
All the same, he is a big-headed man, and your wishes will reach him.

[Alekseev]

Where are they-not trained conscripts needed?
Strategic Rocket Forces is understandable. And in the infantry in battle, a machine gunner, sniper, granotometchik or driver mechanic yesterday’s snotty schoolchildren are needed? After all, it is these guys in the war themselves who themselves must destroy the enemy.
Although, the requirements for education there are smaller, but the required level psychological, physical training, the ability to handle weapons and equipment are achievable in 1 year only in the chatter of Perdyukov and his henchmen.
The place of a young "vyunosh" during the year is a training center, and only then for a contract in the army, and only then the beginning of the path to the leadership, one can enter the "noble cadets". As in Germany in its time. Then the officers will be better, the random element among them will tend to zero.

[Region65]

incisions from opening, and abrasions on the face and hands formed due to seizures when hanging from blows on tree knots. In July, the case of the death of a soldier was closed .... recalls a joke about the deceased person in jail .... why did Ivanov die? YES, he hanged himself in the cell! And why does he have the whole head in bumps? So he hanged himself on an elastic band from cowards .....
hmm .. marasmus ... just as always, in the barracks there is a massacre between Russians and non-Russians .... something like that ..... soon they will randomly shoot rockets at each other ...
PS By the way, drama doesn’t happen only on national soil in the army ... we have many cases when representatives of the same nationality urinate each other .. who, with hammers, who are on guard with Kalash ... and by the way, there were such cases in the USSR. ..u my uncle four first-year-olds escaped ... with weapons, several colleagues put and ran away ... looked for them, found them, shot them. the first two, the remaining two - one shot the other and shot himself.

[maestro123]

Violation of the Charter and neglect of the rules of TB!

Nothing more to add!

[rennim]

It’s high time when I was drafted into the army ... and just when giving out the rights to drive a car, to force everyone to pass the IQ test.

[mehanik27]

This will not help ... because progress has made outlets inaccessible to most children - the most gifted die (c)