The head of the Kyiv regime called on the West to use its aviation in Ukraine as in Israel

Western states must send their military aircraft to protect Ukrainian airspace. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky made this statement in an interview with the American Fox News channel.

As the head of the Kyiv regime notes, Western aviation supposedly “should” work in Ukraine as in Israel. That is, aircraft from the US Air Force and other Western countries could, in the opinion of the Ukrainian president, take part in ensuring the security of the country’s airspace.

If we want to be true allies, Kyiv and Western countries, they must show the same on our territory

- said Zelensky.

It is amazing that the head of the Kyiv regime either pretends or really does not understand the difference for the West between Ukraine and Israel. For Western elites, especially American ones, Israel is much more important than Ukraine. One might say, incomparably more. In addition, there is no risk of encountering an enemy of Russia’s caliber in the Middle East.

Sending planes to strike the Houthis or Iranian proxies is one thing, but risking conflict with a nuclear power is quite another. And the Russian Armed Forces have their own excellent capabilities to shoot down Western aircraft. Previously, Moscow has repeatedly stated that any military equipment of Western countries that appears in the Ukrainian conflict zone will be considered legitimate targets for strikes by the Russian army.

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[smel]

Not only airplanes... It’s high time to send transport ships to the bottom when they enter the territorial waters of Ukraine

[Lev_Russia]

Previously, Moscow has repeatedly stated that any military equipment of Western countries that appears in the Ukrainian conflict zone will be considered legitimate targets for strikes by the Russian army.

Well, if we are so cool, let’s declare, as the Americans did in the Persian Gulf, a no-fly zone over the entire Ukrainian Reich and, expanding our coastal zone, we will finally begin to shoot down US reconnaissance drones and aircraft operating near the coastline... This conflict has long outgrown the framework of Russia and Ukraine having turned into a war of “Us” and “Them”... The question is already about the existence of Russia and the West in the form in which they arrive now... The West will make any sacrifices so as not to lose its role as a hegemon in the world , and at the same time all the goodies that come with it, and for Russia this is a question of the existence of the country itself... No red lines have stopped anyone for a long time, and they had to be drawn not with words, but with deeds... Since they didn’t answer , two did not answer, and now the West is sure that we will never answer... Well, Zelya’s impudence is generally limitless... If they promised not to touch him, this does not mean that he is now untouchable and can flog all sorts of crap... Promise You can take it back...

[seregatara1969]

called? They lie godlessly! He’s just calling!

[rocket757]

The head of the Kyiv regime called on the West to use its aviation in Ukraine as in Israel

. It is clear that it is becoming more and more difficult to bring him out of the groggy state... before they had time, he slipped out and said nonsense.

[carpenter]

Quote: rocket757

It is clear that it is becoming more and more difficult to bring him out of the groggy state... we didn’t have time

In this fight, “Cox” defeated Zelensky.

[rocket757]

There’s no talk about the green bus... it’s interesting to see how “white” wins/exposes all of Skakuasia to... graves, devastation, and so on, so on.
If the overseers had not fussed, everything would have gone to pieces long ago.

[Machito]

If the West uses its aviation in Ukraine, as in Israel, then Russia will declare a no-fly zone on the entire planet.
Zelensky is much more dangerous than Hitler because he wants to provoke a nuclear war. Hitler never used chemical weapons at the front and did not destroy all life in Europe. And Zelensky is ready to turn Ukraine into a nuclear desert. Such a maniac cannot have children - such rubbish cannot reproduce.

[rocket757]

Many people understand that it can go overboard!
The question is, isn't there another deb Bil who wants to check this out?

[Machito]

Our Defense Ministry needs to warn NATO that after the supply of F-16s to Ukraine, the Black Sea is declared a no-fly zone.
How will our air defense distinguish Ukrainian F-16s from Romanian ones?

[rocket757]

The situation is tense and we can’t expect any improvement, certainly in the near future!
We only need to increase pressure on the enemy from all sides and strengthen our armed forces!
So let's go!

[Msi]

How will our air defense distinguish Ukrainian F-16s from Romanian ones?

Really curious, how? Somehow I didn't think about this before...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Bearded

How will our air defense distinguish Ukrainian F-16s from Romanian ones?

What for? It’s just that everything that flies over the territory of Ukraine is considered Ukrainian and can be destroyed. Let the aviation accident investigators figure out what kind of flag there was.

[AlexWar]

Bomb? And that Ukraine is a member of NATO? Or is it simply used as a weapons range? A direct collision is a war with other countries, Russia will begin to attack the airfields from which these planes will take off. Zelensky wants to drag the West into war
The West itself, with its freedom of speech, dragged Ukraine into a civil war

[AlexWar]

Armenia and Arzebaijan could be drawn into war

[Msi]

It is quite another thing to risk conflict with a nuclear power.

They are afraid to come into conflict with us. Fact. They will try to continue fighting with the help of their proxies. Give them maximum independence in every way.

[Nexcom]

Kakely asks NATO to send troops to Ukraine


Kuleba finally admitted the obvious - no military assistance to Kyiv from Washington and the European Union will stop the advance of Russian forces, since the Russian Federation is ahead of the West in weapons production.

“When I see what Russia has achieved in building up its defense industrial base over two years of war and what the West has achieved, I think that something is wrong on the part of the West,” Kuleba shared in an interview with the British publication The Guardian and unexpectedly admitted. - Not a single package can stop the Russians. The Russians will be stopped by the united front of all of Ukraine and all its partners.

Not to say that this was a completely unexpected proposal, but what is surprising here is that Kuleba raised the stakes so quickly. But we are talking about raising the stakes in this whole story. Dmytro Kuleba started talking about nothing more, no less, but about the participation of Ukraine’s allies from among the NATO member countries in the conflict directly with their military units on the front line or, at a minimum, their deployment on the territory of Ukraine instead of stationed units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

The option that NATO will have to fight with its soldiers to save the Zelensky regime has already been voiced by the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry. But just a couple of days ago, Zelensky promised that NATO soldiers would save their lives, because Ukrainians were dying instead.

https://www.kp.ru/daily/27597/4923670/

[I dare to_notice_]

Even though he is Kuleba, he... simply stated the OBVIOUS.
It happens ...

[tralflot1832]

Don’t pay attention, the zealot has not yet left the party about self-propelled Joe’s signing of aid to Ukraine. And the IMF gave Comrade Millay in Argentina $44 billion and suddenly, another galactic beggar appeared.

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

“The head of the Kyiv regime is either pretending or really does not understand the difference for the West between Ukraine and Israel” -

- “Don’t confuse the northern lights with bull’s eggs”...

[Boa kaa]

Crap! The clown has completely lost his mind from coke! He does not understand (or pretends that he does not understand) that NATO has no desire to die for the chubby. They prefer the extermination of the Slavs by the hands of the Slavs themselves! ZE - a Jew by blood - is indifferent to this, he has already profited from the death of Russians, now he dreams of sticking his masters into a boiling cauldron... And they resist with all four hooves. How can a clown not understand: THE CIRCUS HAS LEFT! But he stayed.

[rotmistr60]

Western states must send their military aircraft to protect Ukrainian airspace.

Zelensky’s desires are only increasing day by day. Moreover, he declares them more and more nervously and without self-control. And in this one can feel his complete confusion turning into hopelessness due to the position of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the LBS and the loss of infrastructure in the rear. He begins to scream out loud: “Help, I’m drowning!”

[Leshak]

He begins to scream out loud: “Help, I’m drowning!”

Just the wrong ones. These, whom he considers allies, only push him further from the shore - so that he flounders longer.

[Argon]

Well, first of all, Iran warned about the time of the raid and the mongrels were ready.
Secondly, Ukraine was captured by the Americans, and not created by them. The goals, objectives and fate of Ukraine are completely different. There are long-term projects, and there are short-term ones. If everything is clear with Israel and Iran, then with Russia it is not known how and how everything will end.

[Yuri L]

Correctly, “I am the most important in this world, kill quickly for Me.”

[Nexcom]

https://1rodina.ru/article/pervyy-f-16-pribudet-na-ukrainu-v-mae-no-pilotov-obuchit-ne-poluchilos

Victory is already on the horizon - the first American F-16 fighter with a trained Ukrainian crew will arrive in Ukraine before the end of spring, Belgian Prime Minister Alexander de Croo rejoiced.

The prime minister did not say when the second fighter would arrive. Is it really for the new year?

And the NRC newspaper (Netherlands) published a report on the arrival in Romania of the first three F-16 fighters intended for Ukraine. It is not entirely clear, if Romania already has three planes, why only one will fly to Ukraine.

Everything turned out to be simple and expected - there are no qualified Ukrainian pilots. Although enough Ukrainians were sent for training, it was not possible to turn them into military pilots within a year, the NRC notes. If only because many did not even have flight licenses. According to French military expert Cyril de Lattre, the training of Ukrainian pilots to pilot the F-16 turned out to be a complete failure.

Within a year, pilots of the Ukrainian Air Force were unable to master the control of an American fighter due to the language barrier.

Currently, a year after the start of training, Ukrainian pilots on American fighters were only able to fly from one military base to another. Cyril de Lattre is confident that with such qualified pilots, all fighters will be shot down in the first battle with Russian pilots. According to de Lattre, there is only one way out - to seat pilots of Western private military companies in the F-16. There are such companies - Draken International in the USA and Top Aces in Canada. Both have highly trained military pilots for the F-16. Well, Kyiv is no stranger to recruiting mercenaries, especially since there is simply no other choice - training another batch of Ukrainian pilots will take another year and there is no guarantee that the second batch will be more successful.

According to American military analyst, former intelligence officer and Marine Scott Ritter, the expected effect of the transfer of NATO F-16 fighters to Ukraine is greatly exaggerated.

[Yuri L]

Something became bolder after Congress approved the loan assistance. For how long?

[I dare to_notice_]

Well... Almost Nobody is trying to use one of the ways out of a hopeless situation:
“When leaving a hopeless situation, make it (the situation) hopeless for everyone.” (attributed to I. Susanin)

[Maluck]

When a slave uses the term SHOULD, in relation to his owner - he becomes very inconvenient.

[ximkim]

In principle, if Ukraine is not indifferent to NATO, then after the new year they can use the Air Force in the skies of Ukraine.

[I dare to_notice_]

What is stopping NATO from now using its air force in the skies of Poland, Romania or... Moldova?..
Do you think it won’t reach us from there?!

[nik-mazur]

Quote: I dare_notice_

Do you think it won’t reach us from there?

I think they know how to use a ruler and therefore understand that the distances from them to us and from us to them are the same. Therefore, if it can fly from there to us, then in the same way it can fly from us to them.

[I dare to_notice_]

Not yet.
I don't like the word "may"...
I trust the verb "did" (past tense).

[nik-mazur]

Quote: I dare_notice_

Not yet

So far, you yourself have noted that something is preventing NATO aviation from operating against Russia in the skies of Poland, Romania or Moldova.
And if you don’t like the verb “can,” then be consistent and apply your principle to NATO aviation, which theoretically can, but practically does nothing. In addition to reconnaissance aircraft, but it also operates in peacetime...

[Jacques sekavar]

Israel for the USA is like a bag without a handle, it’s hard to carry and you can’t throw it away.
After the collapse of the USSR, the EU unveiled two strategic expansion programs: the Mediterranean Union and the Eastern Partnership.
The implementation of the first one swept a wave of color revolutions throughout North Africa and the Middle East and cost Natya a lot of money.
Unlike the first, the Eastern Partnership program cost Nat practically nothing - all Eastern European and post-Soviet state entities themselves rushed into the arms of the EU, and Ukraine, the largest state entity in Europe by territory, has large natural resources right next to the EU with good transport communications and a small population. Unlike Turkey, which has been knocking on the doorsteps of the EU for decades, all doors to the EU and NATO are practically open for Ukraine, and therefore it is not surprising that the EU, NATO and all the so-called. the collective West stands strong for its property - Ukraine and does not skimp on funding, supplies of weapons and is preparing for direct participation in the war by increasing military spending and transferring the economy to a war footing, which the first British minister publicly stated, but has not yet decided under what sauce - volunteer technical personnel, police or peacekeeping mission, regular troops or under some other camouflage. What gives Natya optimism is the inability of the world’s second army to defeat the Armed Forces of Ukraine for the third year, and the desire to complete the North Military District with separate negotiations and guarantees of non-first use of nuclear weapons. As a result, economic, political, military, informational and other initiatives are entirely given to Nat.

[Alaburga]

Hold your caps, throwers. The next stage will be all this, which the Jewish Fuhrer is crowing about. Because impunity breeds permissiveness. And when NATO planes take off from their airfields to bomb the Russian Federation, no one will bomb NATO airfields. You still don’t understand that there are a carriage and a small cart of such Timur Ivanovs in the General Staff, and there have never been eggs in the Kremlin. It will be like in that joke about the “bombing of Voronezh”.

[I dare to_notice_]

Too shy to ask...
Are you from the trench?.. On your knee?..
“In the Kremlin” there is a man who doesn’t care how many of us die.
Careful? Yes.
Would you like such an “egg-carrier” like Zilinsky, who cannot even answer for himself?
Or did you personally allow Him to declare war on the whole world yesterday, and He still hasn’t become inflated?!
Calm down. Don't lose common sense.
This is what the enemy wants from us - panic.

[Alaburga]

If there was a person in the Kremlin /who cares how many of us die./, then now the Northern Military District would go between China and the UWB. There will not be panic, there will be a flurry of indignation and distrust of the Kremlin, but there has been no trust in the General Staff for a long time. Careful, very, purposefully walks along the rake of Nicholas2.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

If there was a person in the Kremlin /who cares how many of us die./, then now the Northern Military District would go between China and the UWB

What a pity that you didn’t get a job in the Kremlin...

[Alaburga]

Don't regret what didn't happen. Dream about the future.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

Don't regret what didn't come true

I'm actually glad that armchair strategists and analysts are not allowed near real power.

[Alaburga]

By the way, as reality shows, many “armchair strategists” turned out to be more far-sighted than the Kremlin’s cunning planners. And almost all of today's events and their consequences were predicted by some quite accurately; you can read this on analytical resources.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

many “armchair strategists” turned out to be more far-sighted than the Kremlin cunning planners

Of course, there are millions of armchair strategists, under the influence of the Dunning-Kruger effect they generate megatons of blizzards, because they are not responsible for anything and do not have to do anything themselves. So, purely statistically, someone can guess something. Naturally, everyone forgets about the unexpected.

[Alaburga]

I don’t write about ordinary people, but I write about people in the subject. It’s better not to talk about “answering and doing it yourself,” because the reality is very much not in favor of the authorities.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

I write about people in the topic

And there are not millions of people in the topic, but thousands. And they do not bear any responsibility for their balabolism, just like ordinary sofa experts. Which does not affect the overall picture in any way.

Quote: Alaburga

reality is very much not in favor of the authorities

Not in favor of our government, you have to understand? So from this point of view, reality is not in favor of the Ukrainian authorities either. And not in favor of the Western authorities. Reality, in general, is itself. And only armchair experts believe that there are some magical ways to bend reality to suit themselves. Well, bomb all the bridges there, for example. Or somehow it’s scary to scare the West so that it refuses to support Ukraine. Or put the right person at the head of the Ministry of Defense, like Strelkov.

[Alaburga]

You reason like this because, in your understanding, there is a regular war going on, the Russian Federation and NATO decided to warm up, shoot a little and run away. You are mistaken and very much so. The West decided to finish what it did not finish in the “holy 90s”, taking into account all its mistakes. The West no longer needs Russia in the form it is now, literally at all. That is, Russia is a threat to it, which must be eliminated and not return to it for another 100 years. Therefore, yes, the West should be afraid, and everything must be done for this.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

The West decided to finish what it didn’t finish in the “holy 90s”... The West no longer needs Russia in the form it is now... The West should be scared

Well, if the West has set itself the goal of destroying Russia at all costs, then I don’t know what could frighten it. Certainly not attacks on Polish airfields and American drones.

[Alaburga]

What can frighten him is his unshakable determination that, at the right moment, the hand of you know who will not waver. And their confidence in our determination will start small: first their drones will fall, then airfields and military warehouses will burn.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

Unshakable determination can scare him

This is your personal opinion, as subjective as it is irresponsible.
The question is, what will happen if even unshakable determination does not scare anyone? Or, on the contrary, will it frighten you to the point of complete insanity?
By the way, the West scares us, including its unshakable determination, but it doesn’t work.

[Alaburga]

How can it not work, it worked in the first year of the SVO, they ran to conclude an agreement in Istanbul. And now no one in the Kremlin is particularly talking about the victory; everyone is babbling about some kind of negotiations. It will frighten, the instinct of self-preservation in the West is driven tightly under the crust, but the arrogant Saxons will not be completely insane, they have something to lose, they continue to want to rule the world.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

it worked in the first year of the SVO, they ran to conclude an agreement in Istanbul

Chetarju, and why did the West so frighten our troops stationed near Kiev that we ran to conclude an agreement? Only, for some reason, they did not conclude, but continued the war. Either they stopped being afraid, or the West no longer needed it.
Don’t you see how illogical and contradictory your position is?

Quote: Alaburga

everyone is babbling about some kind of negotiations

Not just any negotiations, but negotiations on our terms. At the same time, the fighting does not stop, and the further it goes, the worse the situation in Ukraine.

Quote: Alaburga

the instinct of self-preservation in the West is driven tightly under the crust

Yeah, that’s why in the West two World Wars were staged in the twentieth century - because of the instinct of self-preservation, no less.
Stop thinking with stereotypes and cliches - it’s a pointless matter.

[Alaburga]

So I'm wondering why. Because it was not Washington that ran to Istanbul, but the Kremlin. They did not conclude for the same reason, the reluctance of this from the Western partners. The war was not continued, it continued because the West needs us to fight. Everything is logical for me, even more than that.
Why don’t they talk about victory, why useless chatter about negotiations, masochists or something. Again, you didn’t listen to Putin well, the SVO began to move the Ukrovermacht away from Donetsk, thereby stopping the bombing of it. Today they are already bombing deep into Russia, not to mention the front-line cities. Does this mean that the situation in Russia has improved greatly, against the backdrop of the sad situation of the Ukrainian Reich?
The West, the one that organized these wars, staged them far from its borders with a minimum of danger to itself and with enormous benefits. And then there were no nuclear weapons, and this greatly changes the picture of the world.
Your thoughts are stuck in the past, try to show them the present, they will be very surprised.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

It was not Washington that ran to Istanbul, but the Kremlin

The Kremlin ran to Istanbul so that Ukraine would essentially sign the surrender. But Ukraine, under the influence of its Western friends, at the last moment decided to fight until the last Ukrainian. What can you do?

Quote: Alaburga

SVO began to push the Ukrovermacht away from Donetsk

The main goal of the North Military District is the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine. So far no one has canceled this. All other goals and objectives are intermediate and complement the main ones, without contradicting them in any way.

Quote: Alaburga

Why don’t they talk about victory, why useless chatter about negotiations?

Well, we are good and strive for peace. On our terms, of course. Which does not contradict victory in the war in any way.

Quote: Alaburga

Your thoughts are stuck in the past

Or your thoughts are stuck in turbo-patriotic propaganda stereotypes.

[Alaburga]

Of course, “surrender”, and also the lease of Crimea, which Lukashenko rambled about.
Demilitarization is proceeding strangely, the weapons of the Ukrovermacht are being demilitarized, including Russian cities, infrastructure and civilians.
With whom are you striving for peace, as Putin himself said about them: with a gang of neo-Nazis, drug addicts and Western Satanists?
My thoughts are logical, the same cannot be said about yours.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

Of course, “surrender”, and also the lease of Crimea

Oh, that's it... What prevented you from giving up Donbass and Crimea without starting a war? And why did the West refuse such a tasty offer? And why (and with what?) The West first scared the Russian leadership so much that it ran to Istanbul to capitulate, and then scared it again with something so that the war would continue? Moreover, what looms in the future is no longer the capitulation of Russia, but quite the opposite, the capitulation of Ukraine. And the West and Ukraine are definitely not going to get their hands on Crimea and Donbass, plus a land corridor.
In general, a crazy theory.

Quote: Alaburga

My thoughts are logical

“When arguing with a madman, you will probably lose, since his mind works the faster the less he lingers on what requires deep thought. He is not hindered by either a sense of humor, or mercy, or the modest authenticity of experience. Having lost some healthy feelings, he became more logical. Indeed, the usual opinion about madness is deceptive: it is not logic at all that a person loses; he loses everything except logic.
A madman always explains a phenomenon exhaustively and quite logically; or rather, if his explanation is inconsistent, it is at least irrefutable.”
(G.K. Chesterton. “Orthodoxy”)

[Alaburga]

So they wanted to push Donbass into Minsk, but about the lease of Crimea, this is not for me, it was Lukashenko who opened up.

/And why did the West refuse such a tasty offer? /
Once again, for the alternatively gifted, you do not understand what is written well, but I write that the West needs this war, Putin DOESN’T NEED war, therefore, he wants negotiations, but the West does not. That’s why Istanbul was initiated by the Kremlin.

When there are no arguments, narrow-minded people move on to discussing psychiatry, in which they are just as ignorant as in reasoned debates.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

blah blah blah

I'm melting down - I can't laugh so much.

[your1970]

Because it was not Washington that ran to Istanbul, but the Kremlin. They did not conclude for the same reason, the reluctance of this from the Western partners. The war was not continued, it continued because the West needs us to fight. Everything is logical for me, even more than that. - not logical. If If the West wanted to fight further, there would be neither Istanbul nor Minsk. The West simply would not react to our proposals and that’s all....

[Alaburga]

So he wanted to continue to fight, and he is fighting now. And the Kremlin needed Minsk and Istanbul to try to come to an agreement with the Satanists. Why is it not logical, everything is logical.

[your1970]

Why is it not logical, everything is logical. because the West simply would not negotiate if they were needed only The Kremlin. Any negotiations take place only when both sides need them.

[I dare to_notice_]

The fool is full of thoughts. (old, little-grown wisdom)

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

impunity breeds permissiveness

And how would you punish our opponents so that they would not have permissiveness?

Quote: Alaburga

There were no eggs in the Kremlin

Did they start the war solely for the sake of arranging an agreement?

[Alaburga]

1. To begin with, shoot down all American and other reconnaissance drones that are aiming shells at the Russian army and cities. Then, if you misunderstood, strike the Polish airfield where planes with weapons are landing. Putin himself once stated that even if they sink an English ship entering the Black Sea, a nuclear war will not start. This means that a nuclear war will not start because of this.
2. Putin clearly told you that his Western partners forced him to start the SVO. They need this war, Russia is not playing, it is being played. Therefore, the NWO is proceeding as the Kremlin’s Western partners need.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

1. ...shoot down all American and other reconnaissance drones ... hit the Polish airfield

In your opinion, after this all the Ukrainian allies will say: Oh, we were so scared, so scared that we will no longer help Ukraine fight against Russia. After which Ukraine quickly surrenders.
Good plan. But there is a nuance - what if Western countries are not afraid, but continue to do what they are doing, only even more actively under the sauce that NATO is protecting its territory from Russian aggression?

Quote: Alaburga

The Northern Military District is proceeding as the Kremlin’s Western partners need it

Well, I have no arguments against conspiracy theories. Only tin foil hats help here. But it is not exactly...

[Alaburga]

If they don’t get scared, then there will be a battle of “who blinks first.” Foreign policy is dictated by the strong and confident, the rest join the ranks of tobacco. What kind of conspiracy theory is this? You don’t believe the words of Putin, who did not want to start the SVO, suffering himself and torturing others with his Minsks to the last, and even agreeing to sign a shameful peace in Istanbul?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

There will be a battle "who blinks first"

And what happens after someone blinks?

Quote: Alaburga

You don't believe Putin's words

I don’t believe your conclusions from Putin’s words.

[Alaburga]

The one who blinked will be the loser and sign the surrender, figuratively speaking.
Russian is my native language, and Putin speaks Russian, and I don’t draw my own conclusions, I just listen carefully to Putin, unlike you.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

whoever blinked will be the loser and sign the surrender, figuratively speaking

Not figuratively, but can you state it specifically?

Quote: Alaburga

I don't draw my own conclusions

Of course you do.

[Alaburga]

The specifics will be different in each case. Russia will win, one specificity, otherwise, another. What exactly interests you, because you ask for specifics, but do not specify them yourself.
Well, poke me at my gag, in that case. What is wrong, in Minsk, Istanbul. By the way, in an interview with Carlson, Putin said about Istanbul that he himself did not know how he would then fulfill this agreement, but he was ready to sign. You listen to him very, very poorly, hence your unfounded attacks against me.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

The specifics will be different in each case... Which one are you interested in?

I am interested in who and how Russia will fight after attacks on Polish airfields and American planes, if the West is not afraid? And will it be easier or simpler than it is now?
I somehow very much doubt that a full-fledged war with the entire West is better than a war with Ukraine, which the West only supports.

Quote: Alaburga

Well, poke me at my gag

Already poked. Putin’s words (and not only his) can be understood and interpreted in different ways. Your interpretation is one of many possible. It is quite natural that you consider your interpretation to be the only correct one - otherwise you would consider it yours - but this does not mean that it is really correct.

[Alaburga]

Well, how can we perceive his words about the Minsk agreements and the Istanbul agreements “in different ways”? And why does he express himself so ambiguously (in your opinion) in order to later say, “It’s not my fault, they misunderstood me”?

After attacks on these targets, no one will want to fight anymore. Because these will no longer be funny red lines, these will be real actions and confidence that the Kremlin’s hand will not waver to press that very button, and the partners have something to lose. Remember how at the beginning of the Northern Military District, the Kremlin’s Western partners hastily evacuated their embassies, they were confident (from old memory) that Russia would not flinch and would hit in such a way that no one would think it enough. And they started cautiously with the supply of helmets and first aid kits to the Ukrainian Wehrmacht. And now there are long-range guns, tanks, planes, all that remains is to wait, just, yao. By giving slack and not answering for your words, you get both war and shame.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

After attacks on these targets, no one will want to fight anymore

Well, you think so, because you are not responsible for anything, and Westerners may have a different opinion.

Quote: Alaburga

and how “in different ways” one can perceive his words

As they say: if you need to explain, then there is no need to explain. I'm afraid this is the same case...

[Alaburga]

I don’t need to explain, I hear clearly what Putin is saying. It is you who attribute some kind of doublethink to his speeches.
During Tampa's presidency, he sent his troughs to North Korea to scare. A sharp shout and a promise to sink them sharply turned the combat squadron around and completely discouraged the mattress makers from wanting to fight with the north. Koreans. That is, they felt confident determination and did not escalate further. Just now, a Soviet general said that the mattress makers are afraid of only one thing, that Russia will strike them with nuclear weapons.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Alaburga

It is you who attribute some kind of doublethink to his speeches

No, it’s you who attribute unambiguity to Putin’s words in your subjective understanding.
Doublethink, by the way, is a different story.

Quote: Alaburga

During Tampa's presidency, he sent his troughs to North Korea to scare

Obama sent his troughs to the shores of Syria to punish Assad. However, having found the cruiser “Moskva” there, he said that he didn’t want to hurt. And what?

Quote: Alaburga

Soviet general said that mattress makers are afraid of only one thing

A Soviet general (retired, one must assume) can say whatever he wants, just like any armchair expert at VO. This does not affect reality in any way.

[Alaburga]

This is how the president must speak unambiguously so that everyone understands him the first time. Why does he need to create entities, express himself floridly, speak in riddles. He is not at a seance, he conveys his clear position to his citizens.
How is it, what? Obama got scared, which means they are afraid of determination and will certainly answer. This is how you should deal with them. But the Soviet general knows what he is saying, he had access.

[nik-mazur]

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the president must speak unequivocally

Why did it happen? Whatever he needs, what’s convenient, what’s profitable, what he wants, that’s what he says.

Quote: Alaburga

he had access

Key word: was. Which means: not at the moment.

[ximkim]

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What is stopping NATO from now using its air force in the skies of Poland, Romania or... Moldova?..
Do you think it won’t reach us from there?!

Preparation..
It may seem like nonsense (sofa vodka after all) - but aren’t they letting the troops get closer?

[Sergey_С0710]

Yes, but it’s high time to shoot down drones and NATO reconnaissance aircraft that have chosen the Black Sea waters and are actually directly involved in missile strikes on the territory of Crimea

[pexotinec]

This miracle was definitely elected emperor of the third world war. He really began to feel immortal, especially after the latest statements from the West about help.

[Fitter65]

Western states must send their military aircraft to protect Ukrainian airspace. Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky made this statement in an interview with the American Fox News channel....If we want to be true allies, Kyiv and Western countries, they must show the same on our territory

So you want to be “real allies”, but for them you are just a disposable rubber technical product No. 5, nothing more. Used and thrown away.

[2112vda]

This one still hasn’t realized that he is not an ally of the West, but an ordinary expendable resource in a proxy war against Russia. They clearly have problems with their brains. Apparently, the pans hit the brains so hard during the races on the Maidan that the last brains flowed into the pants. Trouble. Well, how can you negotiate something with such people?

[Rostislav Prokopenko]

But as far as I remember, the Persians warned about their attack, indicating the time and targets. And then... The bill is 100 million - 1,5 billion dollars in favor of the Persians.
What if you don’t warn or specify goals?
The Anglo-Saxons will definitely not agree to such a waste of money. And aircraft carriers cannot enter the Black Sea yet.
There is also an interesting option - to warn about the attack (you can even describe in detail what will arrive), but not to show up “to war”... Let the motor resource be used up. And the possibility of pilot error during takeoff and landing has also not been canceled...