In the Central Military District passed the teachings of army aviation

Army training completed in the Central Military District aviationduring which pilots improved the skills of piloting transport-combat and airborne helicopters.

The event involved more than 10 transport-combat helicopters Mi-8 and transport-assault Mi-26, including those that entered service earlier this year, from two military aviation bases Kamensk-Uralsky (Sverdlovsk region) and Uprun (Chelyabinsk region).

The pilots of the helicopters have worked out standards for the loading of military equipment and personnel on board the aircraft and their disembarkation (unloading) in a given area. The tasks were carried out both during daylight and at night, in conditions of minimum visibility.

The pilots praised the characteristics of the new Mi-26 transport assault helicopters. During the execution of tasks, they are well helped by a color monitor, to which the image of the load on the external hitch taken by the video camera is transmitted. Helicopter maintenance is facilitated by the increased number of sensors that record its technical condition.

The training took place in the airspace of the Sverdlovsk, Chelyabinsk and Kurgan regions.

Comments

[Manager]

Very cool helicopter!

[Botanologist]

The event involved more than 10 transport-combat helicopters Mi-8 and transport-assault Mi-26,

Great, great teachings are being held! Tremble, enemies!

During my urgent service, nobody even considered the routine of the 10 Mi-8 to transport personnel on the scale of the military district (!) A routine. And now the teachings. proud mlyn

[nycsson]

Quote: Botanologist

During my urgent service, nobody even considered the routine of the 10 Mi-8 to transport personnel on the scale of the military district (!) A routine. And now the teachings. proud mlyn

Totally agree with you! Conclusions can be made disappointing! One thing pleases, at least something .......

[GSH-18]

Quote: nycsson

One thing pleases, at least something ...

That's just "at least something" and not happy. So much money has already been invested in the rearmament .. and .. exercises of 10 helicopters already! Ahrenet. If the State Department finds out about this, they may die of laughter.
If in the future money will be spent on rearmament, then what is the point ??

[nycsson]

Quote: GSH-18

So much money has already been invested in rearmament.

Fuck knows! Yes, I agree with you. When I studied at a military school, we had a teacher, he died already, he was a good man! So, he was the head of the auto service of the Transbaikal army, well, he told me that by the first whistle they could raise about 1500 combat aircraft into the air! That was the power!

Quote: GSH-18

If in the future money will be spent on rearmament, then what is the point ??

I’m more than sure that all this will be poached, given the level of corruption!

[GSH-18]

Quote: nycsson

I’m more than sure that all this will be poached, given the level of corruption! hi

This is scary. It turns out that our first enemy is domestic corruption, not overseas amers
The situation seems hopeless .. But from experience we know that there are no hopeless situations Only the price per exit is very different, when it’s smart, or when it’s good

[nycsson]

Quote: GSH-18

It turns out that our first enemy is domestic corruption, not overseas amers

Of course........

Quote: GSH-18

Only the price per exit is very different, when it’s smart, or when am

I think that the mind will not work! Power has made us slaves! He throws bones at us so that we don’t die of hunger and steal billions ....

The country under the "stationary bandit"
All that the authorities want to know about society is how much money is needed to pay off the poor and how to make them vote for themselves.
07.08.2012
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/politics/53867.html

[leon-iv]

so I will surprise you and now the norm. Current syudy hit the jury here and filmed.

[Nick]

Quote: Botanologist

During my urgent service, nobody even considered the routine of the 10 Mi-8 to transport personnel on the scale of the military district (!) A routine. And now the teachings. proud mlyn

As the saying goes, "There used to be times, but now there are moments ..." I will not continue ...

[ShturmKGB]

Well, little by little and a hundred turntables involved in exercises, not all at once.

[Shoma-1970]

Do you remember when the equipment rusted, there was no fuel for flights?

[GSH-18]

ShturmKGB

Well, little by little and a hundred turntables involved in exercises, not all at once.

I would like to hope and believe. Money must be controlled more seriously

[Shoma-1970]

People call it a "cow", when at the airport I talked to the pilots, they categorically denied and even offended, not a cow but a swallow

[demon ada]

pancake
a great desire to buy a large-scale model Mi-26 and assemble it
beautiful helicopter

[Manager]

Quote: demon ada

buy a scale model Mi-26 and assemble it

Yeah! 1 to 1!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Manager

Yeah! 1 to 1!

And all of plastic and papier-mâché And as a gift to kindergarten!

[GSH-18]

Quote: demon ada

pancake
a great desire to buy a large-scale model Mi-26 and assemble it
beautiful helicopter

You haven't seen the Mi-28 yet! And Ka-52

[afire]

impressive car!

[Nicotine 7]

Yes! 35 years in the ranks! It says something ...

[Manager]

Quote: Nicotine 7

Yes! 35 years in the ranks! It says something ...

The fact that the helicopter is the most reliable, but it also hints, "I am already a grandfather of a granddaughter," I would have time to "nurse my grandchildren."

[Tersky]

Quote: Manager

"I am already a grandfather of a granddaughter

But from the moment of my birth to the present day I "have" all the helicopters in the world of this class

[Shoma-1970]

At one sight, patriotism rises!

[GSH-18]

Quote: Nicotine 7

Yes! 35 years in the ranks! It says something

This indicates the need for modernization.

[toguns]

The exercises are certainly good, but IMHO the number of helicopters is too small for such exercises.
The smallest district exercises should begin at least 70-100 helicopters.

[Yoke]

Yes, it’s already inspiring 20-30 Mi-26s at once ... but in order to collect them at once in the exercises, it would be very nice to scrape through the gimbal.

[toguns]

Quote: Iga

Yes, it’s already inspiring 20-30 Mi-26s at once ... but in order to collect them at once in the exercises, it would be very nice to scrape through the gimbal.

agree on the district’s exercises, at least options for the transfer of brigades with equipment and personnel should be worked out.

[Yoke]

as part of the development of the interaction of various branches of the armed forces, I believe it is necessary to increase the number of exercises, while reducing the number of personnel and equipment involved in them. Better a little, but good than a lot, and bad)

[Avenger711]

Will you pay them out of your pocket? Such mass sorties were not even made in the USSR.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Avenger711

Will you pay them out of your pocket?

No, out of Serdyukov’s pocket! But just do it all including our taxes.

Quote: Avenger711

Such mass sorties were not even made in the USSR.

Divisions rose into the air.

[nycsson]

Quote: Avenger711

Such mass sorties were not even made in the USSR.

Nonsense! Do not talk nonsense!

[toguns]

Quote: Avenger711

Will you pay them out of your pocket? Such mass sorties were not even made in the USSR.

read about shield and friendship level teachings during Soviet times ...
so then it was dumped in 1 run to 2 regiments of airborne forces.
about how much they could stupidly transport from place to place, it’s scary to even think ....

[leon-iv]

read about shield and friendship level teachings during Soviet times ...
and you calculate how many percent of GDP is spent on such. And such teachings were also not casual. And to collect the mat. models. statistics, etc.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

read about shield and friendship level teachings during Soviet times ...
and you calculate how many percent of GDP is spent on such. And such teachings were also not casual. And to collect the mat. models. statistics, etc.

do not want to feed your army, feed another's
a simple example of the need for such a relocation, the conflict with Georgia has clearly not taught you anything.

[leon-iv]

the need
The conflict with Georgia obviously taught you nothing of the potential for such a transfer.
waiting for details?
What logistics operations did helicopters not carry out there?

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

the need
The conflict with Georgia obviously taught you nothing of the potential for such a transfer.
waiting for details?
What logistics operations did helicopters not carry out there?

Because you are having a hard time, you don’t even understand all the benefits of WTA.
well, a simple example with Georgia on what day did our valiant troops get there ??? and most importantly, what move :)
and question number two, let’s say a hypothetical border conflict with China or Japan, the question of how to transfer units there without having the proper experience of such transfer operations.

[leon-iv]

well, a simple example with Georgia on what day did our valiant troops get there ??? and most importantly, what move :)
EMNIP 2 platoons 215th ogrr 98vdd for the most part was transferred from 6-7th to Vladikavkaz. Then you take the whorls to where.
Georgia, on what day did our valiant troops get there ??? and most importantly, what move :)
For 1 day BTGr already fought about reconnaissance and the Special Forces are modestly silent
Traveled by ground
the question is how to transfer parts there without having the proper experience of such transfer operations.
Suddenly, according to the railway, what was worked out as part of the east and west exercises and will be worked out constantly
Ali do you want to carry tanks on planes?

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

EMNIP 2 platoons 215th ogrr 98vdd for the most part was transferred from 6-7th to Vladikavkaz. Then you take the whorls to where.

2 platoons and it helped a lot ???
if it weren’t Georgians, but someone more serious, the Chinese, for example, would have captured your paratroopers.
but if they had thrown an airborne regiment with equipment there in the first days, it would have been a different conversation.

Quote: leon-iv

For 1 day BTGr already fought about reconnaissance and the Special Forces are modestly silent
Traveled by ground

and if the pass was blown up, what would they get ??? sleepers through the mountains ???

Quote: leon-iv

Suddenly, according to the railway, what was worked out as part of the east and west exercises and will be worked out constantly
Ali do you want to carry tanks on planes?

you can see right away you didn’t live in Siberia and the far North, so the transfer of technology is a long and dreary business.
About tanks and wta
as it were, having 20-30 heavy transporters + 60-70 helicopters, you can transfer 3000-4500 brigade with equipment faster than on the sleepers.
from memory it seems like a flight from Moscow to Krasnoyarsk took 7 hours, it was on the Tu-134 in the 80s.
ps
about the railway and WTA
if everything was so simple, vta would not be used as an aviation class.

[leon-iv]

platoon and it helped a lot ???
Oga 2 platoons of seasoned scouts and PANs for you just like that))))
and if the pass was blown up, what would they get ??? sleepers through the mountains ???
you know for what conditions such a tunnel is being built if you knew it wouldn’t smack her crap. There would have been a truck and BB would not have helped.
how to say having 20-30 heavy transporters
We take the calculator we consider
30 Ruslanov
lucky 60-70 tanks
+ The same amount of IL-76 is needed to transport drugs. + Not every airdrome will stand it.
+ The rest of the fraternity is not less than the sides
about the railway and WTA
if everything was so simple, vta would not be used as an aviation class.
You as always confuse warm with soft

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

Oga 2 platoons of seasoned scouts and PANs for you just like that))))

watch less films about Rambo ...

Quote: leon-iv

you know for what conditions such a tunnel is being built if you knew it wouldn’t smack her crap. There would have been a truck and BB would not have helped.

don’t be offended, but you’re smashing nonsense, read about directed explosions.
so the main thing is not just to blow up, but what exactly to blow up in our case is the support of the tunnel.

Quote: leon-iv

30 Ruslanov
lucky 60-70 tanks
+ The same amount of IL-76 is needed to transport drugs. + Not every airdrome will stand it.
+ The rest of the fraternity is not less than the sides
about the railway and WTA
if everything was so simple, vta would not be used as an aviation class.
You as always confuse warm with soft

you tell it to the flight attendant who flew in Afghanistan and not only there, especially since he said that aviation should come all at one time to the airfield without time windows.
ps
do not be offended but what we have
You have no idea about the explosive business, and yet you are even more ignoramus in military transport aircraft.

[leon-iv]

watch less films about Rambo ...
Oga teaching them TSP Sturm as you understand the level of training
so the main thing is not just to blow up, but what exactly to blow up in our case is the support of the tunnel.

supports yeah.
there is a sort of EMNIP tubing system. And Nitsche that he is built on the case of AB?
Such tunnels are extremely difficult to destroy, even if you know where to lay it. And most importantly, you need to know the blasting scheme
this is you tell the vtashnik who flew in afghanistan yes
Yes, on the weekend I talked with my father-in-law)))))

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

Oga teaching them TSP Sturm as you understand the level of training

assault on the mountains in the green on unfamiliar territory in the attack ???
LOL what ???

Quote: leon-iv

supports yeah.
there is a sort of EMNIP tubing system. And Nitsche that he is built on the case of AB?
Such tunnels are extremely difficult to destroy, even if you know where to lay it. And most importantly, you need to know the blasting scheme

I answered you, listen to what they say about directed explosions.
after the blast, the result was thrown a lot of garbage while you clear it, the Georgians take the city and you don’t have time to help them.
ps
well and so about av in the tunnel, I would not be so categorical.

[leon-iv]

assault on the mountains in the green on unfamiliar territory in the attack ???
LOL what ???
TSP assault is one of the types of training aimed at training skills for working in an urban environment. Does it scare you? I feel sorry for you. The experience of Grozny is not to recall?
what they say about directed explosions.
They don’t say anything. There is a tubing system. Once again I repeat, you need to know where and in what sequence to undermine certain areas.
These tunnels are just created in order to quickly restore them in case of undermining.
well and so about av in the tunnel, I would not be so categorical.
If inside then yes, but there more time will be spent on deactivation and degassing. A volt explosion of nuclear weapons of small and medium power side by side quite happens.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

TSP assault is one of the types of training aimed at training skills for working in an urban environment. Does it scare you? I feel sorry for you. The experience of Grozny is not to recall?

2 platoons against the brigade of Georgian troops leon-iv ending with grass, no thrice assault in the city will save you without the support of fire, without reconnaissance, without the required number of ammunition and heavy weapons.

Quote: leon-iv

they don’t say anything, maybe there is a tubing system. Once again I repeat, you need to know where and in what sequence to undermine certain areas.
These tunnels are just created in order to quickly restore them in case of undermining.

twin towers were also considered not to be killed, but it turned out somehow differently.

[leon-iv]

2 platoons against the brigade of Georgian troops
you are definitely not a reader.
I say that we taught them this discipline and I am aware of their level of training.
And it’s like intelligence is not storming. But in war everything happens and they do not shy away from these skills.
twin towers were also considered not to be killed, but it turned out somehow differently.
And again confuse warm with soft commercial buildings and a strategic object

[s1н7т]

Quote: leon-iv

teaching them tsp storm

What is this? Obviously not military, but curious.
And to fill up the tunnel is not a question, no matter how it was built, an explosive would be enough

[leon-iv]

What is this? Obviously not military, but curious.
This is a technique for working in an urban environment. maybe there’s even a grip of weapons should be slightly different.
And to fill up the tunnel is not a question, no matter how it was built, an explosive would be enough
Once again, I can only know where to lay.

[Avenger711]

Such exercises are conducted to train the staffs, and not the flight skills of the crews, which are improved in everyday flights.

In South Ossetia, helicopters could deploy gunners as much as possible, there was no way to deliver heavy equipment by air. Several Mi-26s fundamentally do not solve this problem. There is nowhere to land an IL-76 with a tank on board.

As for the conflict with China, or Japan, the transfer is mainly by rail. It is easy to calculate that even all built Il-76, An-22, An-124 will not be able to deliver any significant forces there in a couple of days. At the same time, the enemy will not concentrate the troops in a day or two, so there is time and his supply depends on the timeliness of the reaction.

In general, you can count. There are 210 IL-76, each will carry a maximum of 1 tank or 3 BTR-80, fly back and forth for at least a day.
22 An-140 will increase transport capabilities by about a third. Doesn't inspire. Akin to the American fairy tales about the delivery of a Stryker of a brigade of 330 armored vehicles and without a single tank anywhere in the world in 96 hours. Nu-nu.

[leon-iv]

Avenger711
Wait now, they will begin to tell you about 100500 KR
And 100500 NATO / China divisions on the borders of our country.
Akin to the American fairy tales about the delivery of a Stryker of a brigade of 330 armored vehicles and without a single tank anywhere in the world in 96 hours.
They will hire the Volga-Dnieper if they have a window on flights.

[toguns]

Quote: Avenger711

Such exercises are conducted to train the staffs, and not the flight skills of the crews, which are improved in everyday flights.

what are the headquarters and flight skills of crews ???
the purpose of such exercises is to practice the transfer of parts + related logistics.
part must leave the place of deployment 30 minutes later on to the airfield and helicopters and airplanes to their destination.

Quote: Avenger711

In South Ossetia, helicopters could deploy gunners as much as possible, there was no way to deliver heavy equipment by air. Several Mi-26s fundamentally do not solve this problem. There is nowhere to land an IL-76 with a tank on board.

leon-iv has already written over that they transferred to Ossetia by helicopters, so this was clearly not enough.
What do you mean do not decide ???
50 mi-8 + 5-6 mi-24 = 900 people 3 battalions + weapons + 5-6 armored personnel carriers
this is not enough ??? in Ossetia, even this minuscule was not thrown.

Quote: Avenger711

There is nowhere to land an IL-76 with a tank on board.

there is nowhere and impossible to have such a concept in the army.
hi engineering troops.

Quote: Avenger711

As for the conflict with China, or Japan, the transfer is mainly by rail. It is easy to calculate that even all built Il-76, An-22, An-124 will not be able to deliver any significant forces there in a couple of days. At the same time, the enemy will not concentrate the troops in a day or two, so there is time and his supply depends on the timeliness of the reaction.

do you even know how long it takes to travel from Moscow to Vladivostok by train time ??? it's not 1-2 days, but as much as 7.
during this time, the whole Far East, if you wish, can be packed.
pro focus
how can I say, I can remind you of Pristina and throwing 500 km in 7 hours seems to be ... so don’t need to la about the reaction, as long as the Chinese choke our eggs, they will leave us without a long way.

Quote: Avenger711

22 An-140 will increase transport capabilities by about a third. Doesn't inspire. Akin to the American fairy tales about the delivery of a Stryker of a brigade of 330 armored vehicles and without a single tank anywhere in the world in 96 hours. Nu-nu.

that is, you doubt the possibility of transferring 2 regiments of airborne forces ??? strange and in the USSR did not doubt, but did.

[Avenger711]

In contrast to the famous joke about the ended cartridges and faith in reality, everything depends on physics and mathematics. I already told you that go and consider what the possibilities of BTA really are.

About the mechanism for the development of armed conflict and the phase of concentration, you also have no idea. One train departed in time will carry more cargo than a whole IL-76 regiment in a week.
Your rush to Pristina is excuse such nonsense that I do not even know how else to comment on this. In a real war, such small forces can only make a noise, or carry out a petty dirty trick before they are crushed, or wound up. You probably just don’t understand the difference between tactical landing and the operational transfer of entire formations to thousands of kilometers, which can be carried out either by sea or by rail.

By the way, the site was literally just an article on the topic.

http://topwar.ru/23994-kogda-nachinaetsya-voyna.html

Quote from her:

Multinational Forces (MNF) took six months to deliver a myriad of manpower and equipment to the Persian Gulf region

2 An airborne regiment with vehicles of the MMD-1/2 level and even an ASU-57 weighing 3.3 tons have nothing to do with the abandonment of a tank division and everything it needs to conduct combat operations.

Even if it was up to you to deliver something by air, the main thing for practicing this at the exercises is to fit the unit and carry out loading, but you don’t need to carry anything somewhere, burning thousands of tons of fuel.

The conflict with the Chinese, on the other hand, can linger for another three months at the diplomatic level, starting with the request: "How do you explain the movement of units to our borders?" with simultaneous loading of tanks onto railway platforms. In principle, if there are signs of danger, then the transfer can be started earlier.
I’m silent about the amount of work carried out after the war in South Ossetia, the main purpose of which is to drag as little as possible when you have to join the battle.

[toguns]

Quote: Avenger711

The conflict with the Chinese, on the other hand, can linger for another three months at the diplomatic level, starting with the request: "How do you explain the movement of units to our borders?" with simultaneous loading of tanks onto railway platforms. In principle, if there are signs of danger, then the transfer can be started earlier.

blah blah I thought you had all the hopes for xs that.
Avenger711 don’t be offended, but China, if it wants to, will send you and without asking do its dirty work to capture the Far East at a time when you will yell that you are offended by everything the UN.

Quote: Avenger711

I’m silent about the amount of work carried out after the war in South Ossetia, the main purpose of which is to drag as little as possible when you have to join the battle.

but in my opinion the point is just to quickly react and transfer parts to where you need with a minimum delay, a new full body kit.

Quote: Avenger711

About the mechanism for the development of armed conflict and the phase of concentration, you also have no idea.

Chapaev, too, did not know how at the same time, this did not stop him from being a divisional commander.

Quote: Avenger711

One train departed in time will carry more cargo than a whole IL-76 regiment in a week.

I already wrote to you while you will go to Russia will be left without the Far East.

[Avenger711]

Excuse me, do you generally understand that in your hypothetical war game you have to transfer hundreds of thousands of people and MILLION TONS of cargo ?? This is true for both sides. Such a movement is not done in 1 day and is determined quite easily. And the effectiveness of such an operation does not depend on the fact that as many as 100 helicopters are engaged in the exercises.

And the UN is absolutely unacceptable here. If something bothers us, we express it, there is no reaction, we take measures, any measures that we consider appropriate, up to the threat of delivering megatons. War from the floundering bay does not begin.

Chapaev, too, did not know how at the same time, this did not stop him from being a divisional commander.

I would recommend that you take and teach history, especially to learn about military experts from the former tsarist army, who, despite their constant betrayals in the Red Army, endured, because the Chapaevs mostly fought somehow not very.

I already wrote to you while you will go to Russia will be left without the Far East.

If you throw something by air when the bombs have already flown, you will be left without Baikal. No amount of preparation will cancel the right moment of "pressing the red button", when tanks will start to be attached to platforms, and military enlistment offices will start sending out summons.

[leon-iv]

50 mi-8 + 5-6 mi-24 = 900 people 3 battalions + weapons + 5-6 armored personnel carriers
this is not enough ??? in Ossetia, even this minuscule was not thrown.
So now let's talk about the need to concentrate troops in a certain direction. And now, our room strategist, tell me how you will plant this group? By what methods do you provide cover and stealth for the landing, and advance to the line of attack?
And how fast will you drop a battalion?
Of course, I don’t understand anything, but this baht will be quickly mixed with ground art blows and mortars, and then they will be driven by tanks. Ali self-propelled guns with BC also on vertes?
there is nowhere and impossible to have such a concept in the army.
hi engineering troops.
Aircraft engines send you greetings.
The AN-70 thought for this, but how it would land with a tank at an unprepared airfield ......................
Pristin and a 500 km throw in 7 hours seems to be ... so don’t need la-la about the reaction, as long as the Chinese choke our eggs, they will leave us without a long way.
ON APC at night. And where does the landing on the BTA?
strange and in the USSR did not doubt, but did.
The landing was carried out by the rules according to the rules. And not the whole regiment.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

So now let's talk about the need to concentrate troops in a certain direction. And now, our room strategist, tell me how you will plant this group?

how how ???
which :)
land intelligence
reconnaissance by drones and in-house
preparation for the adoption of helicopters and aircraft, preparing an airfield
and further, if possible, the acceptance of goods, equipment and parts.

Quote: leon-iv

Of course, I don’t understand anything, but this baht is very quickly mixed with ground with artillery strikes and mortars, and then they will be driven by tanks

tanks in the mountains lol what is it time ???
and what kind of a fool will keep everything in one place, these two, intelligence will leave under the green and you should try to find it, a living example of how hard it is to search for terrorists in Chechnya and Dagestan in the mountains.

Quote: leon-iv

ON APC at night. And where does the landing on the BTA?

as it were, in Russia, there are places where the only access is only by air.
and I cited Pristina as an example that physically you can’t catch up on trains.

Quote: leon-iv

The landing was carried out by the rules according to the rules. And not the whole regiment.

I mean the total ...
Shield 82 exercises
amphibious assault
810th Separate Marine Corps
airborne landing
The 17th and 300th Parachute Regiments of the 98th Guards Airborne Division, as well as the 1st Parachute Airborne Battalion of the 39th Separate Airborne Assault Brigade.

Quote: leon-iv

The AN-70 thought for this, but how it would land with a tank at an unprepared airfield ......................

prepare a new airfield on your own, who does I already answered.

[leon-iv]

land intelligence
And let's look at that conflict and see
reconnaissance by drones and in-house
This is certainly cool, but reconnaissance by drones is only possible from bases, so the RDG will not carry it.
preparation for the adoption of helicopters and aircraft, preparing an airfield
Horses mixed in a bunch of horses .....
the helipad is one thing and the airfield is another, what do you think you need to drag in to prepare the airfield? For adoption at least An-26?
and further, if possible, the acceptance of goods, equipment and parts.
These are common words.
to ensure such landings need
Landing points for the simultaneous landing of at least a company in the first echelon. Those identify and induce drummers.
At the same time, the enemy is also not a fool and knows the landing points of mk in the mountains there are not so many of them.
Now let's talk about the means of strengthening the first company without heavy weapons.
tanks in the mountains lol what is it time ???
meanwhile they were used. The main tactic. They there act as firing points.
intelligence will go under the greenback and you should try to find it, a living example of how hard it is to search for terrorists in Chechnya and Dagestan in the mountains.
Duc is intelligence. And so it does the infantry, as it were, other functions.
as it were, in Russia, there are places where the only access is only by air.
Regarding the supply of troops by air, I would like to recall the example of Stalingrad and the Goering air "bridge".
In the same way, the adversary himself will die in such places from mosquitoes / midges (joke)
Shield 82 exercises
Do you know such a concept as a mat model? Will there be a question?
If there is no example of a nuclear test ban.
prepare a new airfield on your own, who does I already answered.
I really want to listen to how you prepare an aerodrome with the help of helicopters for the acceptance of the An-70 with cargo in mountainous terrain? And for how much.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

This is certainly cool, but reconnaissance by drones is only possible from bases, so the RDG will not carry it.

if drones were an unnecessary pile of iron, the Yanks would not use them so often.
what we have is to learn to use these gifts of nature.

Quote: leon-iv

And let's look at that conflict and see

what to watch is the fact that there is a lack of intelligence on the composition, movements and strength of the enemy + there is also a problem with casting intelligence and a lack of spotters for launching missile air strikes.

Quote: leon-iv

Horses mixed in a bunch of horses .....
the helipad is one thing and the airfield is another, what do you think you need to drag in to prepare the airfield? For adoption at least An-26?

there is nothing impossible with straight hands and with the necessary equipment and knowledge.

Quote: leon-iv

These are common words.
to ensure such landings need
Landing points for the simultaneous landing of at least a company in the first echelon. Those identify and induce drummers.
At the same time, the enemy is also not a fool and knows the landing points of mk in the mountains there are not so many of them.
Now let's talk about the means of strengthening the first company without heavy weapons.

and what to watch ???
and who said that intelligence will go on the attack ???
the purpose of intelligence is naughty and dirty in the rear and direct aircraft at the target.

Quote: leon-iv

Regarding the supply of troops by air, I would like to recall the example of Stalingrad and the Goering air "bridge".
In the same way, the adversary himself will die in such places from mosquitoes / midges (joke)

reconnaissance in combat through the airfield of the jump and the delivery of supplies to the regular units are, as it were, different things.

Quote: leon-iv

Do you know such a concept as a mat model? Will there be a question?
If there is no example of a nuclear test ban.

you have some kind of snowstorm, but in fact, have something to answer ???

Quote: leon-iv

I really want to listen to how you prepare an aerodrome with the help of helicopters for the acceptance of the An-70 with cargo in mountainous terrain? And for how much.

everything is easy and simple, you get a map of South Ossetia, look for a suitable place safe from the Georgians, conduct reconnaissance, make a landing, and off we go.

[leon-iv]

if drones were an unnecessary pile of iron, the Yanks would not use them so often.
conditions of use. Having at least a small-scale military air defense with a defeat height of 7-8 km makes the use of UAV malleable. And with electronic warfare in general is even more interesting.
what to watch is the fact that there is a lack of intelligence on the composition, movements and strength of the enemy + there is also a problem with casting intelligence and a lack of spotters for launching missile air strikes.
This is your opinion which does not correspond to reality in any way. The main problem is the uncoordinated actions of aviation and ground facilities.
there is nothing impossible with straight hands and with the necessary equipment and knowledge.
demagogy
the purpose of intelligence is naughty and dirty in the rear and direct aircraft at the target.
You did not answer my question how to provide cover for a company at a landing from helicopters and further provide them with everything necessary and evacuate the wounded. If the enemy has MANPADS and short-range and medium-range air defense systems.
reconnaissance in combat through the airfield of the jump and the delivery of supplies to the regular units are, as it were, different things.
Where you will find the airfield in the database area are the key points for which the main battles are fought.
have something to answer ???
Do you understand what a mathematical model is?
And what for the action of the masses of troops is this model necessary?
And this mat model lies at the heart of the BUSV, or rather its closed parts.
everything is easy and just take out a map of South Ossetia look for a suitable place safe from Georgians\
They also watch this and control these key points to the best of their ability.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

Having at least a small-scale military air defense with a defeat height of 7-8 km makes the use of UAV malleable.

agree to lose a few dozen UAVs is not as shameful as 6-7 combat aircraft with pilots.

Quote: leon-iv

And with electronic warfare in general is even more interesting.

one must think that this does not happen.

Quote: leon-iv

This is your opinion which does not correspond to reality in any way. The main problem is the uncoordinated actions of aviation and ground facilities.

oh come on you throw it, intelligence crap well and then it went off.

Quote: leon-iv

demagogy

I would not say so, demagogy is when 2 platoons with a skill assault are sent to certain death in the city.

Quote: leon-iv

You did not answer my question how to provide cover for a company at a landing from helicopters and further provide them with everything necessary and evacuate the wounded. If the enemy has MANPADS and short-range and medium-range air defense systems.

Who told you that the company will be dumped right away in one place ???
resetting intelligence is not a matter of landing on Georgians, checking the terrain launching the acidless airbags checking again. air defense or man-portable missile defense worked; missile guidance by aircraft and missiles didn’t work; we are looking for a convenient place, it can come up, any place is exactly the right place.

Quote: leon-iv

Where you will find the airfield in the database area are the key points for which the main battles are fought.

read the history of those events, our intelligence was already there; that’s what it was doing. The Georgians surrounded only Tskhinval, and it was free to land behind it everywhere.

Quote: leon-iv

They also watch this and control these key points to the best of their ability.

To the best of their ability, Georgians surrounded only Tskhinval.

[leon-iv]

agree to lose a few dozen UAVs is not as shameful as 6-7 combat aircraft with pilots.
we are disassembling shame or tactics here.
If you read my posts, I would directly say that the interaction between the NE and the AB was built very poorly. And as a result, our shot down more than Georgians
one must think that this does not happen.
Therefore, it is necessary to deploy RTR and this obviously should not be done through the mountains.
+ planes that need to be covered.
oh come on you throw it, intelligence crap well and then it went off.
What is the conclusion reached?
2 platoons with skill assault sent to certain death in the city.
Where am I writing this? what?
Who told you that the company will be dumped right away in one place ???
Then the meaning of the company? Does an RDG cost a squad platoon level?
checking the terrain launching the bespilotnikov checking again. the air defense or man-portable missile defense worked; the tip of the aircraft and the missiles didn’t work; we are looking for a convenient place;
the first part of the opus is not even funny \
second Those road makers that are suitable for receiving fighter aircraft are separately exempted. And it is not suitable for transports. This is the one for reference.
read the history of those events, our intelligence was already there; that’s what it was doing. The Georgians surrounded only Tskhinval, and it was free to land behind it everywhere.
you, as always, are hot.
The Georgians were in two echelons with two bigads in each. At a distance of 2-15 km from each other and stormed in turn. The point is there to land the troops of industrial intelligence? and she was there.

[Avenger711]

land intelligence
reconnaissance by drones and in-house
preparation for the adoption of helicopters and aircraft, preparing an airfield

We receive stars from the enemy and stomp to the prisoner of war camp. Or do you seriously think that they will give you time to equip an airfield to receive aircraft with tanks?
Field airfields are built in their rear, and not on the edge of an enemy strike.

Drones, as well as transports will be destroyed by air defense.

http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-я_гвардейская_военная_база

We are not talking about any operational transfers without the presence of large forces in place.

a living example of how hard it is to look for terrorists in Chechnya and Dagestan in the mountains.

These unfortunate partisans have no influence on the situation in the republics. And even more so, a handful of people with small arms will not have any effect when tens of thousands of people with heavy equipment are fighting.

tanks in the mountains lol what is it time ???

Where the tank will not pass, the person will not pass too much. In Afghanistan, the tanks showed themselves remarkably well, for the whole time only a hundred were lost, and it wasn’t even the T-72s, but rubbish from the inner districts.

as it were, in Russia, there are places where the only access is only by air.

If access to these regions is by air only, then with what fright will the enemy be there? He couldn’t get there either, except to drop a parachute landing force, but why, if the area is isolated? To this landing there and sat?

[toguns]

Quote: Avenger711

We receive stars from the enemy and stomp to the prisoner of war camp.

mountain exploration in the mountains torment search

Quote: Avenger711

Or do you seriously think that they will give you time to equip an airfield to receive aircraft with tanks?

and what prevents you from making a landing, for example, in an unoccupied part of South Ossetia ???

Quote: Avenger711

Field airfields are built in their rear, and not on the edge of an enemy strike.

did you hear anything about the airfields of the jump ???

Quote: Avenger711

Drones, as well as transports will be destroyed by air defense.

you’re directly the god of tactics, but it’s nothing smart people are looking for air defense radars, and so your radars are detecting when shooting at zero-acid, and then a missile or airstrike in response.

Quote: Avenger711

We are not talking about any operational transfers without the presence of large forces in place.

what major forces ??? at the first stage, only intelligence.

Quote: Avenger711

These unfortunate partisans have no influence on the situation in the republics. And even more so, a handful of people with small arms will not have any effect when tens of thousands of people with heavy equipment are fighting.

what tanks are you talking about ???
while the Georgians are trying to storm the city, intelligence is doing its job in their rear.

Quote: Avenger711

Where the tank will not pass, the person will not pass too much. In Afghanistan, the tanks showed themselves remarkably well, for the whole time only a hundred were lost, and it wasn’t even the T-72s, but trash from the inner districts

and how do you imagine a tank running through the mountains and forests for scouts ???

Quote: Avenger711

If access to these regions is by air only, then with what fright will the enemy be there? He couldn’t get there either, except to drop a parachute landing force, but why, if the area is isolated? To this landing there and sat?

your trouble is that you consider the enemy stupid, and historically this is far from always the case.

[leon-iv]

mountain exploration in the mountains torment search
og and another type you can go to any place in the mountains)))) paths overlap and passes including with the help of the local population
and what prevents you from making a landing, for example, in an unoccupied part of South Ossetia ???
so that it is shot by artillery
and it’s nothing smart people are looking for air defense radars, and so your radars are detecting when shooting at acid-free, and then a missile or airstrike in response.
Og, they’ll just stand there and wait for the PRR aha.
You probably know what a wandering battery is?
And as you will defend against MANPADS.
while the Georgians are trying to storm the city, intelligence is doing its job in their rear.
She did quietly.
and how do you imagine a tank running through the mountains and forests for scouts ???
So we plant DRG or baht at 80 verts?
your trouble is that you consider the enemy stupid, and historically this is far from always the case.
You do not throw slogans, and give examples

[Lopatov]

And imagine this situation: the Georgians blew up the tunnel. How can you ensure convoy convoys through the same Cross Pass without helicopter landings? Roughly speaking, you need to quickly saddle the dominant heights and key points of the route, how can this be quickly done by moving exclusively on the ground?

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

og and another type you can go to any place in the mountains)))) paths overlap and passes including with the help of the local population

Georgians need to take Tskhinval, and what do you offer them to catch intelligence ???
??

Quote: leon-iv

so that it is shot by artillery

if everything was shot like that, then why did the Georgians break off so ???
and if so it was shot through, why did the columns go through the tunnel under fire ???

Quote: leon-iv

Og, they’ll just stand there and wait for the PRR aha.
You probably know what a wandering battery is?
And as you will defend against MANPADS.

Do you know what to catch on live bait (drone) ???
and the more I repeat what kind of fool throws intelligence on combat units.

Quote: leon-iv

She did quietly.

did poorly, there should have been a boiler, but it didn’t happen there.

Quote: leon-iv

You do not throw slogans, and give examples

June 22, 1941 is not an example ???
border guards did everything they could, but help did not come on time ...

[leon-iv]

Georgians need to take Tskhinval, and what do you offer them to catch intelligence ???
Study the isolation of the database area.
if everything was shot like that, then why did the Georgians break off so ???
and if so it was shot through, why did the columns go through the tunnel under fire ???
and the fact that our aircraft hung in the air + quickly ensured passage and suppressed enemy communications by EW

And then our artel turned around and all the rodent battery firing ended. There were only nomadic art installations, but they did not do the weather.
Do you know what to catch on live bait (drone) ???
And the enemy fool glows with fire on the UAV. Maximum ZU-23-2 and quickly topple down For tactical UAV enough.
did poorly, there should have been a boiler, but it didn’t happen there.
Um, how can reconnaissance make flank coverage with the environment against infantry brigades? Our goal was to destroy the Georgian armed forces at zero until the last infantryman?
And why are these landings needed if the columns of the 58th army were already heading for Tskhinval?
June 22, 1941 is not an example ???
A classic front-line operation with deep flanks covering fur units?

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

and the fact that our aircraft hung in the air + quickly ensured passage and suppressed enemy communications by EW

Quote: leon-iv

so that it is shot by artillery

you contradict yourself ...

Quote: leon-iv

Study the isolation of the database area.

Tskhinval was blocked, the border with Georgia and the tunnel were free.

Quote: leon-iv

And the enemy fool glows with fire on the UAV. Maximum ZU-23-2 and quickly topple down For tactical UAV enough.

agree better to lose the UAV and warn our aircraft than to lose the Rook and God forbid the pilot.

Quote: leon-iv

Um, how can reconnaissance make flank coverage with the environment against infantry brigades? Our goal was to destroy the Georgian armed forces at zero until the last infantryman?

if the intelligence worked as it should, in terms of targeting aviation, the Georgians fled much earlier and ran into ambushes of the same intelligence.

Quote: leon-iv

A classic front-line operation with deep flanks covering fur units?

deep but past.
the main mistake was the inability of our commanders to introduce reserves on time.

[leon-iv]

you contradict yourself ...
Why? to suppress it is necessary to have a good density of fire and spotters. And our intelligence was there before.
the border with Georgia and the tunnel were free.
between two echelons of the enemy? lol you burn. The critical issue of Nafeyhua is there to lose people before landing. When SV Turning around, the boss can destroy the enemy.
in terms of aiming aircraft at targets, Georgians fled much earlier and ran into ambushes of the same intelligence.
Lolko read. Tanks of Augustus and look at identifying the enemy and striking at him.
the main mistake was the inability of our commanders to introduce reserves on time.
And my teachers estimated that the main problem of the Red Army was the poor training of commanders at the regiment-army level.

[s1н7т]

Quote: toguns

strange and in the USSR did not doubt, but did.

Well, we do not live in the USSR, alas.

[s1н7т]

Avenger711,
Nowadays it is "nu-nu". And in 68, a lot was delivered to Czechoslovakia by air from the Union. And in 79 - too, although not in such a number. Depends on the development of BTA, probably

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

and you calculate how many percent of GDP is spent on such. AND

But then we all knew that if you need to pile on anyone, and now?

[leon-iv]

and now?
Now is the time of the internet.
If he were then you wouldn’t read everything from the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda or serve the SS Which was still sometimes called visiting a fairy tale.
Now who needs to pile on?

[nycsson]

Quote: leon-iv

Now is the time of the internet.

Yeah! And fools too!

Quote: leon-iv

If he were then you wouldn’t read everything from the newspaper Krasnaya Zvezda or serve the SS Which was still sometimes called visiting a fairy tale.

Where do you get the information from? From the first channel, probably!

[leon-iv]

Where do you get the information from? From the first channel, probably!
true she is in the middle

[s1н7т]

Quote: leon-iv

true she is in the middle

Yeah, between the legs!

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: leon-iv

Now who needs to pile on?

The 5th mrad, which I often mention, "during the heyday of stagnation", at DAU (divisional aviation exercises), held, as a rule, in early April each year, simultaneously lifted 100 aircraft into the air, performing 300 aircraft - sorties to the range of aircraft in 36 hours (once, as an experiment, we performed four flights in 48 hours, i.e. 400 s / v.).
During the exercises of the SF air force, in which there were more than 500 crews, more than 400 aircraft were raised into the air.

In the old days, the "Soviet people" slept peacefully, not even knowing that when they landed on the exercises of the regiments of the SF air regiments, we even had not enough open spaces in our country - there was not enough air space on the Kola Peninsula to safely dissolve and plant all in the air!

Inter-fleet maneuvers consisting of regiments, day and night, including refueling in the air, were a common, routine phenomenon. Northerners on the Pacific Fleet, through Tiksi (the northern route) or through the south of Siberia flew there, as well as from the Far East to the Kola Peninsula came regiments of naval aviation Pacific Fleet.
Similarly performed inter-fleet maneuvers and regiments of the MA BF and BSF.
Victor Sokerin "PR as an end in itself"
And now, no one has noticed the ships of all the fleets of Russia in the Mediterranean Sea.
And thanks to the Indians for the Mi-26, now we will pile on any, any aggressor will fight back.

[s1н7т]

Quote: leon-iv

similar teachings were also not casual. And to collect the mat. models. statistics, etc.

Including - to verify / test the training and application of aircraft. For the troops, this is probably the main thing. And math models, statistics - we are fucked up. The military must understand that he is doing everything right.

[leon-iv]

And math models, statistics - we are fucked up. The military must understand that he is doing everything right.
strangely enough, all this is precisely what mathematics evaluates.
Why do you think there are no major nuclear explosions?

[Avenger711]

Discharges to several thousand people are quite rare.

[s1н7т]

Quote: toguns

about how much they could stupidly transport from place to place, it’s scary to even think ....

It is enough to read how much and from where they were "transported". But right now, alas.

[s1н7т]

Quote: Avenger711

Will you pay them out of your pocket? Such mass sorties were not even made in the USSR.

Truth?! How old are you? Before my eyes, the Cottbus team landed - the darkness of helicopters! Ordinary exercises, type. And it’s better out of my pocket - 100-200 helicopters, than for the same amount - Madame’s jewels from MO. Or do you prefer jewelry?

[leon-iv]

depending on what tasks to set. Do not confuse warm with soft.

[Shoma-1970]

will be soon! at least hope so.

[saturn.mmm]

Quote: toguns

The smallest district exercises should begin at least 70-100 helicopters.

The 5th mrad, which I often mention, "during the heyday of stagnation", at DAU (divisional aviation exercises), held, as a rule, in early April each year, simultaneously lifted 100 aircraft into the air, performing 300 aircraft - sorties to the range of aircraft in 36 hours (once, as an experiment, we performed four flights in 48 hours, i.e. 400 s / v.).
During the exercises of the SF air force, in which there were more than 500 crews, more than 400 aircraft were raised into the air.

In the old days, the "Soviet people" slept peacefully, not even knowing that when they landed on the exercises of the regiments of the SF air regiments, we even had not enough open spaces in our country - there was not enough air space on the Kola Peninsula to safely dissolve and plant all in the air!

Inter-fleet maneuvers consisting of regiments, day and night, including refueling in the air, were a common, routine phenomenon. Northerners on the Pacific Fleet, through Tiksi (the northern route) or through the south of Siberia flew there, as well as from the Far East to the Kola Peninsula came regiments of naval aviation Pacific Fleet.
Similarly performed inter-fleet maneuvers and regiments of the MA BF and BSF.
V. Sokerin "PR as an end in itself"
I'm just wondering what kind of aggression the current Russian government is going to reflect. While these teachings are reminiscent of "the youth of Peter" and "Amusing fleet in the German Sloboda". And for the Mi-26 thanks to the Indians, they entered the poor situation of the Russian Army.

[anchonsha]

Mi - 26 are known all over the world, work everywhere and have proven themselves perfectly. We have something to be proud of.

[nycsson]

Quote: anchonsha

We have something to be proud of.

Soviet designers have something to be proud of ....... And we haven’t come up with anything new from the collapse of the USSR ........

[leon-iv]

T-50 looks at you with a misunderstanding.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

T-50 looks at you with a misunderstanding.

T-50 - Soviet light tank during the Second World War ???

[leon-iv]

T-50 Looks at you with bewilderment, and the spirit of Pavel Osipovich Sukhoi with distrust.

[toguns]

Quote: leon-iv

T-50 looks at you in bewilderment

with respect :)
ps
learn history in addition to the tank there was also a tractor of the same name and they are much older than the prototype pak-fa.

[nycsson]

Quote: leon-iv

T-50 looks at you with a misunderstanding.

It still needs to be put in operation, suspend weapons, etc. It’s too early to talk about the T-50!

[leon-iv]

It’s too early to talk about the T-50!
Meanwhile, he flies and pleases the eye.
Start of Development 2001.

[nycsson]

Quote: leon-iv

Meanwhile, he flies and pleases the eye.

Pleasing a voice is not enough! That's when he will be able to strike with the whole range of weapons, then we'll talk! In the meantime, this is a pile of flying scrap metal! Forgive me pilots and designers!

[101]

And what have the Soviet changed? And who are we now?

Quote: nycsson

This Soviet designers have something to be proud of ....

Ale garage We are alive born in the USSR

[nycsson]

Quote: 101

We are alive born in the USSR

What's the use? We are much fewer than guest workers and those who were born in the dashing 90s!

[s1н7т]

Quote: nycsson

.A since the collapse of the USSR, we haven’t come up with anything new ........

Uh, you are unfair! And Rusnano ?! They couldn’t come up with this in the USSR!

[nycsson]

Quote: c1n7

Uh, you are unfair! And Rusnano ?! They couldn’t come up with this in the USSR!

Both laughter and sin!

[Thunderbolt]

Interestingly, Mi26 tankers are in service or amphibious transport remained. A useful thing for supplying fuel and lubricants to forward forces. Neither landmines are scary, nor ambushes. Promptly deliver the "fuel" forward to Berlin!

[zanoza]

September 2011, 16 - for the first time in the Russian Air Force, the Mi-26TZ tanker helicopter refueling ground equipment (T-72, BTR-80 and BMP-2 tanks) in the field near Chelyabinsk.the picture is Kazakhstan Mi-26 ТЗ)

[zanoza]

Refueling process.

[Avenger711]

All Mi-26s available in the Russian Federation will not be enough to refuel 1 brigade once.

[barbell]

yes it is normal. Russia is RUSSIA. there has been an increase in population, construction projects throughout the country, rearmament of the army, Russian guys! take care of the country!

[stranik72]

I was more upset by the MI-26 instrument panel, if it is "today's" for the Air Force, then I am shocked by the equipment of the early 80s. All the most "cheap for the native army", this is modernizing !!!

[Samaritan]

The pilots praised the characteristics of the new Mi-26 transport assault helicopters. During the execution of tasks, they are well helped by a color monitor, to which the image of the load on the external hitch taken by the video camera is transmitted. Helicopter maintenance is facilitated by the increased number of sensors that record its technical condition.

YES AND AFTAR IS BURNING!