Capture of Ocheretino. What did you think about immediately after the liberation of the village?

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Capture of Ocheretino. What did you think about immediately after the liberation of the village?

To be honest, I just don’t know what to do: answer the questions or ignore them. The questions relate to very specific events that are happening right now or happened just a couple of hours ago. The specificity of the media is such that materials are published with some delay due to the technical side of the process.

And the speed of events is such that by the time the article was published, everything had already happened, and the invoice had lost its relevance. For understanding, I will give an example of Bogdanovka. Two days ago this was very relevant. Who is interested in this topic today?



The fighting continues. The epicenter of events is constantly moving. Now the mail is inundated with requests to comment on the capture of Ocheretino by our units.

Well, I’ll express my thoughts on April 23, i.e., a few hours after the liberation of Ocheretino. The attempt is not torture, and the reader will have the opportunity to evaluate the author’s logic.

Why did the Ukrainian Armed Forces flee from Ocheretino?


I'll start with the simplest.

The loss of Ocheretino is not only the result of the heroic actions of our units, but also an indicator of the complete cretinism of the Ukrainian headquarters! Well, and, accordingly, competent work and understanding of modern combat by our headquarters. No more and no less. This is not “hurray, we are breaking”, but a simple statement of fact.

It’s not for nothing that I put the word “escaped” in the subtitle. Probably, some readers have seen interesting footage taken by Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers, where the American Bradley infantry fighting vehicle covers the flight of Ukrainian infantry and hits the outskirts of the village. Not an organized retreat, as Ukrainian commentators are trying to say, but flight!

Why did this happen?

After all, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine perfectly understood the price of Ocheretino. And it was defended not by “men” from the newly arrived reinforcements, but by experienced fighters and commanders from the 47th Mechanized Infantry Brigade who had been fired upon in many battles and who had gone through many butchery assaults of the Troopers’ Brigades.

The answer, as is traditionally the case, is simple. Ukrainian officers studied poorly. They did not understand the main thing in their military academies. The winner is not the one who knows the combat regulations well. The one who applies it creatively wins. Simply because the enemy also knows how to read and knows perfectly well what is written in your charter.

What exactly happened in Ocheretino?

The defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was built according to the classical scheme. When only a part of the units whose task is to suppress enemy attacks is at zero. That is, stop the attack and allow artillery and other means to work on the enemy “over the heads of their infantry.” The Russians went out into the field and received the full blow from heavy weapons...

A very logical defense structure. The commander has the opportunity to rotate units. Fresh fighters are always at hand. The capabilities of artillery allow you to transfer fire to any part of the defense without much difficulty. In short, sit and smoke. The war will proceed according to the same combat regulations.

But what happens on the real battlefield?

Let's start with artillery and other weapons.

Can she feel safe being “behind the infantry”? Unfortunately no. Russian VKS and drones successfully infect entire batteries, not to mention individual systems.

In such a situation, what falls to the lot of the infantry on the front line? And precipitation falls on their heads in the form of FABs and heavy artillery shells. And even add FPV drones. Agree, this is not a very “resort” situation. Will the infantry be able to stand under the FABs for a long time? How long will it take for the fighters to realize that in the current situation they have only two options: die or run away.

Even captivity looks quite problematic. For bombs and large caliber shells, it doesn't matter what you want, but what matters is that you are present in the positions. This means that you are a legitimate target... Experienced fighters understood everything perfectly and therefore quickly worked out the “save yourself who can” option.

And other experienced fighters took advantage of the situation. This is what modern warfare is like.

I had a lot of fun reading on the Ukrainian channels the expression “a surprise attack by the Russians led to an advance along Zheleznodorozhnaya (street) to a depth of 1,2 kilometers.”

I wonder why they kept a unit of the Ukrainian Armed Forces at Zheleznodorozhnaya? For defense or for something else? And why did the Russians stand there?

That's how it happens. We defend and defend, and suddenly - an “unexpected attack”...

What prospects opened up after the capture of Ocheretino?


I repeat, I do not consider the loss of Ocheretino a serious strategic mistake for Kyiv. And to call the operation itself something out of the ordinary is hard to come by. We have already seen something similar. Let me remind you of the operations in Avdeevka and in the Umansky area.

The defense is torn in two by a blow, and then centers of resistance are systematically destroyed with the help of heavy artillery and aviation.

By the way, it has now become clear why the Russian Army stood by and did not launch counterattacks during the meat assaults near Orlovka, Tonenkiy, Semyonovka... “Minced meat” cannot fight. He's just minced meat, not even "meat". And in these assaults, the most combat-ready units and formations of the Ukrainian Armed Forces were turned into mincemeat.

The loss of Ocheretin created problems for the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Evgenovka and Sokol. And further in Zhelanny. It is no secret that after the intensification of the combat work of our Aerospace Forces in Mirnograd and Selidov, it was Zhelannye that became the main logistics route for delivering replenishment and supplies to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

In general, the loss of Ocheretino quite seriously complicated the position of the entire Ukrainian group in this area.

Well, the last.

The outlines of new boilers are already clearly visible, which the Ukrainian Armed Forces are unlikely to be able to avoid. These are oporniki in Novobakhmutovka, Novokalinovo and Berdychi. The only way out of this situation, in my opinion, is to retreat to more advantageous positions. What Syrsky is unlikely to do without Zelensky’s permission.

What does Zelensky hope for?

I don't really understand. Almost every day, Kyiv’s negotiating positions are worsening. I have already written about the operation to discredit either our army or Western assistance. I think the newly-minted dictator wants to outwit the whole world and transfer the format of the war in Ukraine to the global level. This is the only, albeit very illusory, way to avoid the tribunal and somehow get out for Zelensky personally.

Instead of totals


It is stupid to talk about the results of each specific operation. Not every tactical success is part of a strategic operation. But every battle won is important for the outcome of the entire war. They took a small village, but created big problems for the enemy.

Now it is important for Kyiv to gain time at any cost. Hence all this talk about negotiations. I have written many times that no binding decisions can be made a priori. We have already been through this and understand what they are offering us and why. Meat assaults are actually the same attempt to stall for time. Only the method is more cruel, more bloody.

The offensive must be continued. Do not force events, but put pressure in the same vein as now. An indestructible “war machine” that cannot be stopped has a very good effect on the ability to think. Especially think about those against whom this machine operates.

The war is lost first of all in the heads... Not on the battlefield, not in the headquarters of armies or navies, but in the heads of ordinary people. Be it those who work for the war, or those who directly fight. Thoughts about defeat appeared - consider that you lost 50% of the battle...
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  1. +16
    April 25 2024 05: 38
    Nothing is clear, but very interesting
    1. +3
      April 25 2024 08: 26
      This is Staver. I read the latest political information. And about the “new boilers”. And how many of them were there? Only Mariupol comes to mind.
  2. +18
    April 25 2024 05: 45
    I don’t even know how to comment on this article. The capture of Ocheretino is undoubtedly a great success for our Army, but it is a tactical success, how many more such villages do we have to take?! I would understand the author’s admiration if we were already surrounding the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration, but it’s too early to throw away our caps now, Mr. Staver! The army still has to shed a lot of blood and sweat before it achieves even operational-tactical successes, not to mention strategic ones!
    1. +1
      April 25 2024 08: 29
      Yes, the issue of losses is in the foreground for us. How to minimize all this. Of course, in comparison with 2022, there is an understanding that human power is not endless, and first of all we need to work remotely and as powerfully as possible.
    2. +3
      April 25 2024 18: 06
      "The capture of Ocheretino is undoubtedly a great success for our Army"
      Ocheretino-tiny village, 1,5x1,5 km. Well, there's no way it can be a "big" success
      1. +1
        April 25 2024 23: 53
        That's right! But, as they say, with no fish, even a water strider can catch.? tongue
    3. +2
      April 25 2024 18: 17
      There is such a thing as the balance of forces and means. To move from tactical to strategic success, we need free mobile reserves, protected from drones (desirable and necessary), flank cover, and terror of the enemy’s rear and speed of action of military units according to a single plan and in a single time.
      1. +1
        April 28 2024 00: 08
        To move from tactical to strategic success, you must first create these reserves, and without the complete mobilization of the entire society, the mobilization of the economy, in particular labor mobilization, this is not possible. The soldier must not only be dressed, equipped and armed, but also must be trained, given the necessary equipment and heavy weapons, ammunition, and no less important, to prepare a large number of intelligent commanders. And only after all these difficult and lengthy events can we talk about potential strategic successes. For now we have what we have...
        1. 0
          April 28 2024 16: 13
          Quote: borisov.4
          and it is no less important to prepare a large number of intelligent commanders.
          Here you are right. But questions arise:
          - Who will cook?
          -Where will they cook?
          - And most importantly, how long will it take?
          Of course, platoon and company level commanders can be trained from experienced and experienced sergeants. How much has already been discussed about this. What about higher-ranking commanders? Where are they?
  3. +12
    April 25 2024 06: 36
    The main thing is that the mail is full of questions (even it’s not entirely clear which ones), but there are no answers in the article. We took it, a bomb fell, the enemy retreated, well done, everyone, we disperse...
  4. +13
    April 25 2024 06: 40
    Enough with the “negotiation” mantras. Any negotiations with the West end in Minsk and Istanbul. Anyone who does not understand this is either a cretin or a traitor.
    1. +8
      April 25 2024 15: 47
      You can’t talk about Putin like that. They'll put you in prison.
      1. +1
        April 25 2024 23: 56
        As our political officer said in such cases: “Disbat! Disbat - a - a - t! I’ll rot in the disbat!” laughing
  5. +5
    April 25 2024 07: 24
    Any success is for the benefit of the RF Armed Forces, it’s good if with minimal losses of soldiers and officers of the RF. It’s good that they stopped sparing cast iron for the APU.
  6. +2
    April 25 2024 07: 28
    The offensive must be continued.
    Thanks to the author, otherwise they would not have realized what the Russian army needed to do next. And in my opinion, the place for an exclusively review article is not in the “Analytics” section. But it is worth noting that the author has done some work summarizing information about the situation in Ocheretino.
  7. +3
    April 25 2024 07: 31
    The attempt is not torture, and the reader will have the opportunity to evaluate the author’s logic.
    We’ve been evaluating it for three years now, but we can’t evaluate everything in any way.”Chamberlain is a head.” - Briand! “What a head! He is with his pan-European project.
  8. +4
    April 25 2024 07: 52
    In a long-term war, many other factors appear, such as combat and operational experience, training of reserves, logistics, repair and production of equipment, medicine... God willing, we have this better established
  9. +4
    April 25 2024 09: 16
    A big and final victory consists of such, at first glance, small tactical successes, it is impossible to get everything at once, these are not the times and conditions, the whole West has tensed up against us, so we must act extremely thoughtfully, purposefully and as efficiently as possible, without any unnecessary haste, which can only lead to high losses and failures in combat operations, we do not need meat assaults on our part, and this is clearly visible from the emerging situation on the battlefield.
  10. +4
    April 25 2024 10: 23
    Probably, some readers have seen interesting footage taken by Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers, where the American Bradley infantry fighting vehicle covers the flight of Ukrainian infantry and hits the outskirts of the village. Not an organized retreat, as Ukrainian commentators are trying to say, but flight!


    So this is an “organized retreat” under the fire cover of armored vehicles. It looks chaotic, of course, but in the situation in which the Ukrainian Armed Forces are now, one cannot expect more from them. When fleeing there is no cover, everyone simply disperses separately from each other, focusing on their comrades
  11. +1
    April 25 2024 10: 30
    The fact that they took Ocheretino is good. But the fact that they didn’t take prisoners, or took few, is bad... Or did they take a lot and just don’t talk about them?
    1. 0
      April 25 2024 11: 17
      Quote: Chack Wessel
      But the fact that they didn’t take prisoners, or took few prisoners, is bad...

      Who will take them if they ran away? And it's good that they ran away.
      Another bad thing is that they don’t know how to run well - they ran away to the next village and stopped.
      Tired. They need to be trained more often.
    2. +1
      April 25 2024 18: 21
      Well, there is an option: there are no free fighters to deal with prisoners during the offensive, draw a conclusion yourself. It happens that there is no one to worry about and you have to go into an infantry battle before it, it’s cruel in essence.
  12. +1
    April 25 2024 10: 43
    Successes are always good, the main thing is that they don’t turn your head and that a system is built at the same time.
  13. 0
    April 25 2024 13: 22
    What did you think about immediately after the liberation of the village?

    The map does not correspond to the title; in parts of the village, according to the map, there are still battles going on, and other parts are still under complete enemy control. What kind of liberation can we talk about then?
  14. +1
    April 25 2024 15: 08
    The war has entered a phase where victory is achieved only by double or triple superiority in tons of cast iron and explosives dumped on the enemy’s heads. Now the Americans will deliver shells and our offensive will stall.

    We need more weapons, and better ones. But Nabiulina is busy transferring reserves into yuan, Putin is fighting the militarization of the economy, Matvienko is preoccupied with countering “people’s pressure on the authorities”... Where will the ammunition for Victory come from?!!!
    Under the tsar, one lieutenant colonel increased the production of shells to 28 million per year in six months. True, at the cost of their double increase in price. In 1941 they fought with tsarist shells. Compare with our 4 million (amers generally voice 3 lyams a year).
    .
    Now Ivanov has been imprisoned. I wonder how many shells could be made with the money he stole? And how many of our soldiers died in vain due to the lack of these shells. Well, you can’t fight like that. Divide the officially announced production by the announced number of guns at the front - there are no eight shells per day per gun! And I’m generally silent about six-inch cameras.
    1. man
      +2
      April 25 2024 16: 52
      Now Ivanov has been imprisoned. I wonder how many shells could be made with the money he stole?
      And what’s even more interesting is how many other Ivanovs like us we have, walking free and continuing to pi..drink loot
    2. 0
      April 25 2024 18: 02
      “Divide the officially announced production by the announced number of barrels at the front - there are no eight shells per day per gun! And I’m generally silent about six-inch guns.”
      So it seems like 6" is the only caliber left?
  15. -2
    April 25 2024 15: 13
    As for the joy that the Ukrainians ran away. Read my material, where it is written that there is no joy for us in the departure of ukrov. https://dzen.ru/a/Zidxm4JLCE7XfDoi
  16. -1
    April 25 2024 16: 01
    Our progress seems to be too drawn out. no matter how the Ukrofashists cut him off
  17. 0
    April 25 2024 19: 20
    Those who are in the know, everyone understands. Another statement of facts.
  18. +2
    April 26 2024 00: 08
    I'll add from TG:

    In addition to the heroism and courage of our soldiers, one curious situation influenced this.

    In mid-April, a conflict occurred between the commander of the 2nd battalion of the 115th Mechanized Infantry Brigade and a foreign specialist assigned to this brigade. A mercenary with a more impressive rank than the commander of the 2nd battalion of the 115th Mechanized Infantry Brigade in an indicative form ordered the commander to launch a decisive counterattack, the captain, being clearly intoxicated, rudely refused, to which he received a death threat. After such words, the commander did not tolerate such “lawlessness” of a foreign specialist and they had a fight, which resulted in the liquidation of the mercenary by the commander of the 2nd battalion.

    After the events described above, the personnel were withdrawn by the commander from the Ivushka gardening partnership. The Russian army launched an offensive, and the 1st battalion of the 47th Mechanized Infantry Brigade and part of the 3rd Separate Brigade, which were hastily transferred to Ocheretino, refused to launch a counterattack.

    The command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Alexander Syrsky personally faced two dilemmas. Firstly, this is not the first time (remember the departure of the 3rd Special Brigade from Koksokhim) brigades and their commanders refuse to carry out suicidal combat missions. Secondly, the murder of a foreign specialist by a Ukrainian military serviceman must be hidden at all costs in order to avoid an international scandal, so the corpse was burned, while no one is going to judge the commander (c)
  19. 0
    April 26 2024 00: 20
    And I thought: Ocheretino is a holiday village with a population of approximately three thousand, relatively close to Donetsk. It has a small station, past which in peacetime passenger (except electric trains) and freight trains passed without stopping. There is some kind of building materials factory, which is probably already destroyed to smithereens. The village has no strategic significance and, therefore, there is no reason to expect the Ukrainian Armed Forces to capitulate after its surrender. I visited this village half a century ago.
  20. Ray
    0
    April 26 2024 02: 39
    The outlines of the new boilers are already clearly visible

    And please remind me which ones have already been the old boilers?
    Well, except, of course, Azovstal in Mariupol 2 years ago, and the Ilovaisk cauldron 10 years ago.
    Words
    "clearly visible" I’ll leave it without any comments at all.
    Maybe you shouldn’t mislead readers, but just write: Can you see the outlines of future boilers?
  21. 0
    April 26 2024 07: 57
    To be honest, I just don’t know what to do: answer the questions or ignore them.
    - like a girl, really laughing
  22. 0
    April 26 2024 08: 10
    Both sides are engaged in positional self-destruction in the areas of Rabotino, Chasov Yar, and Berdychi. Because of this, the Ukrainian Armed Forces cannot stop our Ocheretin wedging, and because of this, we cannot fill the Ocheretin wedging with such a number of formations as to develop tactical success into operational-strategic success.
  23. 0
    April 26 2024 12: 32
    It is not “Zelensky and Co.” that is winning time, but “Zelensky and Co,” on the orders of the Washington Regional Committee, throws unprepared units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the meat grinder of war to do everything so that Ukraine can hold out until the US presidential elections in November 24. The defeat of Ukraine before the elections will be a death sentence for the presidential ambitions of the US Republican Party. America has allocated money, now everything that moves must be thrown to the front, as they say, the bets are on, “the horse must run,”
  24. 0
    April 28 2024 19: 25
    The author uses "we" many times.
    But decisions are made not by VO readers, not by authors, not even by VO editorial staff.
    Decisions are made by the one we supported.
  25. 0
    April 30 2024 04: 45
    Until the Russian army finds an antidote to drones, there is no point in expecting success on the fronts. Drones are now the main toothache!
  26. 0
    4 May 2024 20: 27
    What does Zelensky hope for?


    The longer Ukraine “lasts,” the more loans Zelensky will have time to steal. And in order for loans to be given, you need to pretend to be active, sending stupid rednecks to slaughter.
    Everything seems to be very clear.