Acoustic spectrum of a drone

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Acoustic spectrum of a drone

The Internet is full of recordings of the buzzing of quadcopters, the howling of approaching Geraniums, and the rattling of Orlans. These recordings are made in a compressed MP3 or similar format, which may lose some detail due to data compression, but for simple reference purposes they are quite suitable.

Let's start with recording a quadcopter


The recording signal in time representation (this is what can be seen on an oscilloscope) looks, as always, unclear.




At higher magnification, an unstable periodicity of the overall amplitude can be traced.


But in order to understand what’s inside, you need to look at the spectral image. In general, it looks like this.


Horizontal is time, vertical is frequency, and brightness is the amplitude of the signal at a given frequency at a given moment.

Here we see a bunch of equidistant parallel lines. These are the harmonics of the audio signal. The distance between them in such signals is called the fundamental tone. Obviously, the main tone is some kind of product of engine speed and the number of propeller blades, with possible additional influence on the interaction of the blades of adjacent propellers. You can see how the engine speed changes during maneuvering.
If we make a slice of the spectrogram, then in a separate section we can see the following.


There is some ambiguity here. Either here on the left side there is a strong division into even and odd harmonics, or something from subharmonics has come out there.

Further spectral analysis can be introduced both to increase the frequency resolution and to reduce it. In the first case, this will give us better frequency resolution at the expense of time resolution. The reverse action is also valuable. With increased frequency resolution, it can be seen how, when maneuvering the copter, this is done due to the imbalance of engine speeds, which manifests itself in the splitting of frequency bands.


By lowering the frequency resolution, we can clearly see temporal details.


It can be seen that the amplitudes of the harmonics flicker.

Acoustic trace of "Geranium"


Here we see a high frequency resolution spectrogram of the approach and final peak drone.


There are a lot of interesting things in the picture.

Let's start with the fact that the distance between the spectral rods is 113 Hz (before the dive section), and the fundamental harmonic spectral rod is not visible due to filtering of the microphone signal from the mobile phone. This frequency is the product of the engine speed, the number of cylinders, the coefficient of the exhaust phase distribution and the engine clock rate.


It is worth noting that even harmonics are larger in amplitude than odd ones.

For those who have experience in electronics, it should be clear which periodic signals produce a surge at even harmonics.

With increasing time resolution (and decreasing frequency resolution), it is clear that
that the harmonic amplitudes are unstable.


If we had to detect the approach of such a drone, then it would have to be done in the low-frequency part of the spectrum, since the main energy of the engine sound spectrum is concentrated there. Our ear is extremely insensitive to the low-frequency part of the spectrum. Our microphones, obviously, are also not designed for high parameters to work in a zone close to infrasound.

Meanwhile, sound at these frequencies experiences minimal attenuation and can travel over long distances (elephants and whales know this well).

Well, now let's take a look at "Orlan"


Here, too, the even harmonics of the fundamental tone stand out, in this case 68 Hz. They are slightly larger than even numbers, at least in the lower frequency range.


The fairly rich spectrum here is explained by the fact that the recording was made before the drone took off at some edge of the forest and at a short distance. The entire upper part of the spectrum has not yet had time to evaporate.


The value of this recording is that the first harmonic has not been removed by filtering.

Using a logarithmic frequency scale, the lowest part of the spectrum can be identified.


Here, fluctuations in the amplitude of the first harmonic (68 Hz) can be explained by the operation of the drone’s engine speed controller.

Some conclusions


1. The idea of ​​detecting the passage of a drone by the acoustics it emits has been in the air for quite a long time. Recently there have been reports that in Ukraine such a network of 8 mobile phones has been built and is functioning. It is far from a fact that this Ukrainian network does not enter Russian territory. Moments of particularly intense ironing of our Ukraine aviation For example, I can tell by the noise of heavy aircraft at night or in the morning.

Although I have no illusions about the resistance to hacking of computers or smartphones, it is possible to insert specific code into smartphones already at the Google Play level. For example, all the basic elements for initial acoustic processing are available in popular voice messengers. If we limit ourselves to constant processing of a limited frequency range of up to 1,5–2 kHz, this will not even create a significant load on the processor.

2. In addition to the task of detecting enemy drones, the opposite goal of reducing the acoustic signature of our drones is also possible. For example, in electronics, when it is not possible to reduce the amplitude of spectral lines, you can try to smear it and reduce the properties by which the engagement will be made.

3. What can be gained from all of the above depends largely on those who will do it. I mention this because from 1983 to 2012 I worked at research institutes and design bureaus and saw enough of the realities there, where the local public was primitively and stupidly sawing through budgets.

Now I work in a large private company. From time to time, this colossus - our company - got involved in very non-trivial technical issues and problems... At these moments, it clearly began to feel like time was ticking. In the first phases of solving such complex problems, horror was clearly visible in the eyes of the specialists involved...

But it is precisely such tasks that give a great chance to those who can solve problems quickly, highly efficiently and with high quality.
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  1. +3
    April 23 2024 05: 24
    The author will correct me, but in my opinion, the method of radar and thermal radiation is more studied, effective and cheaper. Acoustic detection of aircraft by listening was used back in WWI. True, it’s primitive (see photo) and not as sophisticated as you suggest. Well, a plus for the author and the article!
    1. +9
      April 23 2024 08: 34
      In my work, I have always tried to achieve an outstanding result through a clear definition of the problem, an extremely refined engineering solution with the addition of a very large amount of theory and heavy mathematics. This always gave results (... and pissed off a bunch of people around the research institute with envy).
      In relation to the issue of reviewing the article, it is worth taking a look at the psycho-acoustic sensitivity curves of our ear. Yes, we hear sounds very, very poorly in the frequency range of 30..200 Hz (when compared with the range of 1..3 kHz). The base between our ears is very small, and when correlated with the wavelength of these low frequency sounds, we cannot distinguish the direction. But nothing prevents us from spreading the microphones 10..20 meters.
      Some local noise sounds will always interfere with us, but nothing prevents us from making a couple of spaced stations and highlighting only general distant sounds.
      And this is just what comes to mind right away, but here you can sit and think and do something especially sophisticated..
    2. +3
      April 23 2024 09: 54
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The method of radar and thermal radiation is more studied, effective and cheaper.

      If we compare the cost of money and time for the development and production of special equipment based on the principles of radar with the use of already produced household devices (smartphones), then the argument about cheapness is doubtful.
      Here you can also add considerations about the costs of new structures for operating special equipment.
      As for efficiency, the proposed system relies on mass application, ensured by the involvement of the population. This might be and the weak point of the system, although the idea is not bad.
      As for the technical side, it is interesting to consider the possibility of recording a change in flight direction by the general change in the frequency of all harmonics.
      And of course, the idea of ​​connecting to the enemy’s network is very tempting. In this regard, your own system definitely needs to be built on a reliably protected platform.
      1. +5
        April 23 2024 10: 05
        It would be more correct to deploy an acoustic surveillance network based on essentially existing global networks. Naturally, you can start your consideration with cellular towers, you can integrate them into the Russian Railways network or even into SORM. If you do initial pre-processing and pre-analysis, then the resulting data flow is not particularly large.
        1. +2
          April 23 2024 10: 13
          Quote: JustMe
          It would be more correct to deploy an acoustic surveillance network based on essentially existing global networks. Naturally, you can start your consideration with cellular towers, you can integrate them into the Russian Railways network or even into SORM.

          The idea is sound, in this case it is possible to establish communication between the cells/smartphones themselves, so as not to pull wires and not to communicate with the cellular operator’s network. The enemy is already using such local networks to organize unrest. At the same time, turning off the official cellular network does not solve anything. The local network exists autonomously, because each cell serves as a repeater.
      2. +1
        April 23 2024 11: 05
        using already produced household devices (smartphones)
        Any smartphone can be turned into a brick with one mouse blade from the same place. Since the days of push-button phones, some kind of Trojan has long been hardwired there, which at the right moment will disable your phone, as well as the entire Network
        1. 0
          April 23 2024 11: 13
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          Any smartphone can be turned into a brick with one mouse blade from the same place.

          If this smartphone is connected to a local network and is not connected to public networks, then turning it into a brick with all the bookmarks is much more difficult.
          1. +1
            April 23 2024 11: 17
            turning it into a brick with all the bookmarks is much more difficult
            So it’s a bookmark, that’s why it’s a bookmark, so that it can live its own life, independent of the life of the Network and its operator
            1. 0
              April 23 2024 11: 25
              Quote: Dutchman Michel
              a bookmark, that’s why it’s a bookmark, so that it can live its own life, independent of the life of the Network and its operator

              For her to come to life, she must receive a command to do so. And for this it must have a connection with the outside world. Most likely, if it occurs, then it is tied to the software of the smartphone, and the connection with it may be. only via the network. It’s hard to believe in some kind of radio code that fires the board.
              When localizing a specialized network, it seems to me that the issue of isolating it from general networks is completely solvable. This must be decided at the application program level.
              1. +2
                April 23 2024 17: 18
                And for this she must have a connection with the outside world
                Many specialized forums have long been discussing the “ability” of a smartphone to maintain contact with the Network and send data, even though it does not have a SIM card or is in a completely off position.
                1. 0
                  April 23 2024 19: 19
                  Quote: Dutchman Michel
                  Many specialized forums have long been discussing the “ability” of a smartphone to maintain contact with the Network and send data, even though it does not have a SIM card or is in a completely off position.

                  I would like specifics on this issue, although even if this is so, there is the option of using smartphones produced under the control of the Russian Federation with a domestic OS. Now they are already doing this.
    3. +2
      April 23 2024 15: 51
      It turns out there are millions of acoustic sensors running across various territories of Russia. And can be used against their owners. You can detect not only the sounds of a UAV, but also other objects of interest. And if you find something interesting, you can get video from the camera and check the gallery, contacts, calls, and other files remotely. After all, we ourselves give permission to a variety of smartphone applications to do this. It turns out that the owner of my smartphone is not me at all..... And I bought it not for myself, but for enemy intelligence.....
  2. 0
    April 23 2024 05: 25
    As far as I understand from this article, the horror has become even worse...... But a private company will cope better with the cutting of budget funds, because such companies are initially created for this purpose directly inside all kinds of design bureaus.
    1. +7
      April 23 2024 08: 43
      So, from 1983 to 2012, I worked in classical research institutes and design bureaus.
      I am far from a slacker and I have an excellent education (... Baumanka). But during all this time, only one of my developments went into production (...small!) - this is the ALE-033 accelerometer for testing penetrating warheads. And I did this only because the “honored specialist” failed the project and I was redoing it. And I remade it because the director of NIIFI V.A. Volkov. They promised at the top to “face the table.” Redesign and trial testing took me 3 days.
      Three days of shock against the background of 29 years!!!
      A bunch of my ideas and trial projects simply went into reports, someone’s dissertations and the show-offs of their authors.
  3. +3
    April 23 2024 05: 51
    August 2023
    A “smart” matrix of microphones has been created to recognize drones by sound.
    In Cherepovets, they came up with a matrix of microphones with AI to identify drones by sound.
    The module being developed is a software and hardware complex consisting of a matrix of microphones and artificial intelligence. Microphones monitor the acoustic environment and transmit information about surrounding sounds to a computer, where they are processed by a neural network algorithm. When analyzing, AI is able to isolate the sound of a flying drone and determine the distance and direction to it.
    https://www.tadviser.ru/index.php/Продукт:ЧГУ:_Система_микрофонов_для_распознавания_дронов_по_звуку
    https://www.gazeta.ru/tech/news/2023/08/26/21149438.shtml
    1. +2
      April 23 2024 07: 35
      Quote: VPK-65
      In Cherepovets they came up with a matrix of microphones with AI to identify drones by sound

      I agree with the author - there is nothing complicated about this. The main thing is a sensitive, or rather, ultra-sensitive microphone that picks up sounds, and the rest of the work will be done by electronics and software...
    2. +1
      April 23 2024 09: 10
      ...The module being developed is a software and hardware complex consisting of a matrix of microphones and artificial intelligence...

      Neurons are a hype topic now.
      For self-development, I now listen to lectures on them from time to time.
      It is noteworthy that the public there, at the lower software level, stupidly rips off ideas and implementations from acoustic codecs (IMBE, AMBE, G729..) without delving much into the details, physics and mathematics.. But here a very different problem is considered.
      Here I would consider it necessary to thoroughly work on the input initial mathematical signal processing.
    3. +1
      April 23 2024 15: 26
      A “smart” matrix of microphones has been created
      This thing is called a microphone array. To use it correctly, you need to know the weather conditions between the sound source and the microphone array.
      1. +1
        April 23 2024 15: 49
        ..This thing is called a microphone array...

        If you focus your work on the low-frequency part of the spectrum, this is a very hemorrhoidal thing.
        I did a “test of the pen” in this area on 2 microphones (for normal speech), it turned out to highlight a direction of 15...19 dB from the perpendicular direction.
        1. +1
          April 23 2024 19: 55
          I did a "test of the pen" in this area on 2 microphones
          Of course, this cannot be called a grid. The radiation pattern is a torus (if I'm not mistaken).
          1. +1
            April 23 2024 20: 17
            Of course, this cannot be called a grid. The radiation pattern is a torus (if I'm not mistaken).

            Absolutely right. If you look at the plane, the diagram can be called a figure eight.
            If you remember a sport like “fox hunting,” then they use receivers with a figure-eight directional pattern (plus, to check the direction, they also have a cardioid). The hollow of the figure eight is sharp, which allows you to more accurately determine the direction by the loss of the signal.
            In my experiments, guidance was in the software part due to the reversal of complex frequencies of signals from microphones. The possibility of programmatically changing the direction of the cavity was clearly recorded.
  4. +2
    April 23 2024 06: 45
    Horror of what? Lack of competence, components, desire from above to deal with this problem? Author, I agree with you. This is a serious and urgent task.. Only in terms of the spectrum of crap flying towards us
    1. +2
      April 23 2024 09: 32
      If we let someone listen to recordings of Geranium and a moped, the listener will easily hear the difference in them. Why? - On the spectrum, everything is clear what you should pay attention to. And Geranium’s engine control can be configured to “mow” like a moped. Something can be done to the exhaust to make it more difficult to stick to the Geranium spectrum.
  5. Owl
    +1
    April 23 2024 08: 22
    Applicable for creating a comprehensive UAV detection system, simultaneously monitoring IR radiation, radio signal, radar signal (weak, due to the small proportion of openly installed metal components) and sound signal. The main thing is to detect it, and means of destruction will be found.
  6. +1
    April 23 2024 08: 52
    There is such an application “radar nf”, which is distributed, for a second, through Google Play, which raises questions. Recommended for transmitting messages about drone flights. So it is so strange that there is no desire to use it. There is no feedback, it is not clear whether the message was received or not. He asks to take a video of the drone, yeah at night. Asks for direction of movement, it is not always clear from the sound, only in general terms. Our responsible people, when they detect a drone, call 112, until they tell you what and how, the drone will already fly where it needs to or will simply leave the area.
    I don’t understand why an application that is normal and easy to use has not yet been created on our secure platform. To transmit data about the flight of a UAV indicating the approximate direction on the map, for example. And not in letters, especially in letters it takes a long time to write, and you can’t write it clearly.
  7. +1
    April 23 2024 10: 34
    Firstly, acoustic surveillance-detection, secondly, self-detonating ammunition systems that will detonate as noise approaches the object, and thirdly, interceptor drones that use these noises as a budgetary means of passive targeting of the target.
    In principle, this has great potential, but as usual, everything comes down to details that can ruin this approach.
  8. 0
    April 23 2024 11: 03
    Fabulous! Now it's up to the resonator at low frequencies. The size will of course be huge, but the range is colossal. This, in general, is the path to an absolute weapon, because in the beginning there was the word.
  9. +2
    April 23 2024 12: 28
    Detection is not a self-sufficient task; it is only part of the detection-target designation-targeting-kill complex. Sound direction finding is not suitable for target designation due to a fundamental drawback - a significant delay, that is, an error in relation to the real position of the target. It turns out that for target designation you need another means, which, at the same time, can also perform the detection function. Well, then why the fifth wheel in the form of sound direction finding? Only as a warning system - something is flying towards you.
    1. 0
      April 26 2024 22: 56
      What is the relationship between the speed of sound and the speed of movement of the aircraft being considered in this topic?
      1. 0
        April 27 2024 11: 29
        It’s easier to calculate what the vehicle’s speed should be so that it can be shot down from the barrel during target designation from a sound direction finder.
        Let's say the distance is 500 meters. The sound lasts 1,5 seconds, instantaneous guidance, sound direction finding without error, target size 30 cm - 30/1,5 = 20 cm/sec. That is, at a speed of 0,2 m/s you will chronically miss the target. Leading will not help here if the target maneuvers even a little, because you will find out its position after 1.5 seconds, as it flew away from there, changing course.
  10. 0
    April 23 2024 14: 08
    We need returnable stage aircraft, unmanned bombers with variable sweep wings on board which will be equipped with a rocket jet engine or a hybrid engine.

    Such a bomber will take off from the deep rear and, at the launch point, go into a ballistic trajectory with the help of a rocket engine; at a speed of Mach 5-7 in the upper layers of the stratosphere, it will drop a conventional warhead from a medium-range ballistic missile to a range of 500-1000 km.

    Thus, instead of FAB UMPCs, which do not fly very far beyond the ribbon, you can make hundreds of times more strikes similar to Iskanders and Daggers; it is enough to make warheads in large quantities (tens of thousands) instead of FABs.

    Just 100 of these aircraft will be able to provide up to 1000 high-precision strikes per day, while the production of Iskander missiles totals only a few hundred per year.

    Combined with a network of concrete hangars across the country, this will allow a huge conventional force to be secretly concentrated in any of the 9 time zones.
  11. +2
    April 23 2024 17: 33
    I wish there were more articles like this. Where there are no rassusolivaniya. But simply a person, based on his skills and knowledge, analyzes useful and necessary things. Yes and interesting!!!
    There should be more of these!!!
  12. +3
    April 23 2024 23: 07
    Good afternoon.
    I would like to point the author to a higher order signal processing method - (English) "Cepstrum".

    This method is used, among other things, to study the noise of gearboxes. If individual teeth are damaged there, a characteristic signature will appear in the Cepstrum that cannot be detected by simple spectral analysis.

    To do this, the spectrum amplitudes are logarithmized and converted back to the time domain using an inverse Fourier transform. The result - (English) "qfrequencys" - describes the "structure" in the frequency domain.

    Try this method with your drone sounds - I'm sure you'll discover some interesting things.

    Continued creativity, happiness and success. I hope the translation is clear
    1. +2
      April 23 2024 23: 39
      More precisely, the cepstrum describes the repeating temporal structures in the output signal - even if they overlap each other.

      In Geranium, the ignition in the engine, the pop of the exhaust, and the beating of the propeller blade should manifest themselves in a characteristic way in the cepstrum.

      With a quadcopter - with 4 propellers and different and constantly changing speeds - I don’t know. But try...
      1. +1
        April 24 2024 09: 18
        I would like to point out to the author a higher order signal processing method - (English) "Cepstrum"....

        This is a topic for potentially very fruitful discussion. I have something to tell you here.
        I did a study of the cepstrum on speech. But it’s not quite as simple and straightforward as in the simple description. For example, the amplitude of an individual spectral rod can go to zero (...or about), and the logarithm of zero is minus infinity, that is, a strong negative impulse. For better frequency resolution, you need to impose a spectral window on the table of logarithms, and they all have the beginning of the window at or near zero, that is, we have the problem of weakening the beginning of the frequency range, where we have the most valuable harmonics. There is something else too.
        However, all this can be overcome, but when applied to speech it did not give a very bright result.
        Now I'm doing an experimental project in the background where I will explore some modification that strongly resembles the basic idea of ​​a cepstrum, but is not one.
        It would be nice, of course, to put the drone sound files into my previous programs and show pictures of the peak in the cepstrum, but now I’m terribly overloaded: two projects are in the queue. Maybe I'll get together on Saturday-Sunday.
        1. 0
          April 26 2024 03: 13
          Please forgive me for answering in English. An online translation from German into Russian has to be flipped back and forth at least 3 times, changing the structure of the sentence, choosing different words to convey the meaning.

          When working with the Cepstrum, I naturally encountered exactly the problems you describe. This led to an crazy idea that didn't work for my purposes, but might be sufficient for detection:

          First the wall made of semolina ;-)
          If the signal is of the minimal phase type, then the cepstrum is completely symmetrical. If it is of the linear-phase type, the left side disappears completely. This is also the case if you only use the amplitudes, and therefore all phases are zero. Real world signals lie somewhere in between.

          Now take your complex cepstrum, graphically flip the left side to the right, and compare the two curves...

          In my signals, the unwanted artificial coefficients caused by band limiting in the audio signal were almost identical on both sides. Likewise, most of the peaks that contain the actual useful signal. But not all!

          Some of the positive peaks on the right had negative counterparts on the left, followed by a positive peak on the left with no counterpart on the right. This pattern represents the time shift of the out-of-phase components of the signal...

          Subtract the curves from each other - and now the magic happens :))
          The previously huge artifacts almost disappear. Likewise the minimal-phase components. What remains is a gently curved baseline of small coefficients with a little noise that can be easily smoothed - from which the peaks of the out of phase components stand out clearly!

          The pattern found has no physical meaning - but it may be characteristic of a certain sound - I haven't investigated this further yet. It may be possible to tweak the method to recalculate the real cepstrum from the pattern found...

          It would be nice if you could provide a link to a publicly available audio or video recording with clear sounds - then we can both try something on the same database.
          1. +1
            April 26 2024 09: 11
            I will try to understand the essence of the proposal, but it will take time. Now I am very overloaded at work, and I do cepstrum research at home. However, the discussion has already prompted me to a very interesting idea on how to easily circumvent the problems.
            Regarding links to acoustic files:
            I’ll try to find where I got them on YouTube, and if I can’t, then I’ll put them on my VK (VKontakte - vk.com) or Yandex Disk.
            Communication can be in English - I understand it well. I once studied German
            1. +2
              April 27 2024 22: 57
              Maybe it's better to use the sound of a Ukrainian drone. Ultimately, we want to detect the enemy's drones, not the other way around. ;-)

              For a quick impression, everyone can try:

              - extract the audio track of a recording, open it in Audacity
              - look for an area where the sound is as clear as possible, free of background noise and, above all, consistent (constant engine speed). Select this area.
              - choose Analyze from the menu -> Plot Spectrum.
              - in the analysis window, select Alorithm:Cepstrum, size:4096, Function:Rectangular window

              You see a clearly periodic structure. Particularly noteworthy - the peak that corresponds to the engine speed, even though the microphone barely captures this area.

              As said, this is just an impression of the power of this method. In order to create a detection filter from this, we still need to get rid of signal garbage and find a way to deal with different speeds, Doppler effect, etc. And not to forget - find an algorithm that works with the limited computing power of a smartphone.

              Good luck!
              1. +2
                April 27 2024 23: 12
                Example Septrum of an drone:
              2. 0
                April 28 2024 21: 05
                The main objective of this article was to declare the relevance of this topic. The pictures presented are entry-level analyses. To do something practically valuable, you need to focus on it and spend at least 2-4 months of extremely intensive work. My result of work over the past month is an acoustic noise suppressor for communication systems, operating at a signal-to-noise ratio of about 0 dB or even worse. But this article does not imply a disclosure of the subject at such a level.
                I work on civilian topics, but even when producing civilian products, the automatic soldering conveyors at our company operate 24/7.
                Now I cannot switch to this topic on my own initiative. Maybe I’ll do a similar article again and give examples of the cepstrum.

                Of course, it would be better to consider the acoustic spectrum using the example of Ukrainian drones. But there are very few such records.

                For us, the presence of foreigners on our forums is extremely interesting. If there is a desire to publish on our forums, I can help with editing the article in Russian.
                In English
                The main objective of this article was to state the relevance of this topic. The presented images are entry—level analyses. To do something practically valuable, you need to focus on it and spend at least 2-4 months of extremely intensive work. My result of work over the past month is an acoustic noise canceller for communication systems, operating at a signal—to—noise ratio of about 0 dB and even worse. But this article does not imply the disclosure of the subject at such a level.
                I am working on civilian subjects, but even with the release of civilian products, automatic soldering convoys at our company work 24/7.
                Now I cannot switch to this topic on my own initiative. Maybe I'll make a similar article and give examples of kepstra.

                Of course, it was better to consider the acoustic spectrum using the example of Ukrainian drones. But there are very few such records.

                For us, the presence of foreigners on our forums is extremely interesting. If you want to publish on our forums, I can help you edit the article in Russian.
  13. 0
    April 24 2024 08: 22
    Still, this is good, but maybe it makes sense to start from the opposite, everything that is not included in the spectrum of living origin is subject to destruction?
  14. fiv
    0
    April 24 2024 08: 45
    Taking into account the flights of Ura UAVs over long distances along the trajectories of bypassing effective radars and at high altitudes, several concentric lines of acoustic sensors combined into a single system, etc. will be of great benefit. Even with unexpected beneficial effects. And relatively inexpensive. Definitely a useful article.
  15. 0
    April 24 2024 12: 49
    Then, according to the idea, to destroy UAVs you can use mini UAVs aimed at a certain sector of sound - kamikazes!?
  16. 0
    April 24 2024 18: 06
    Somehow I thought: submariners have been working with sound waves for a hundred years, but it’s true under water. Is it really true that this acoustics was not studied at the Submarine Fleet Research Institute? Surely there already exist electronic systems for analyzing sea noise and isolating useful sounds. It is the research institute of sailors that needs to be attracted for this purpose by promising them a good bonus.
    1. 0
      April 24 2024 21: 27
      Our sailors (or rather not them) also distinguished themselves.
      In my understanding, building a buoy with hydroacoustics, an initial signal processing system, a communication system and an anchor for holding is not so difficult. For a year - quite realistic.
      It would be possible to scatter such buoys somewhere off the Ukrainian coast and continue to monitor the passage of sea drones.
      By the way, I met with one of the specialists who designed and tested some of our military hydrophones. It left a heavy impression on him.
    2. ANB
      +1
      April 25 2024 23: 34
      . It’s the seafarers’ research institute that needs to be involved for this purpose

      The laboratory in Primorskoye closed back in the 90s. And it didn’t open. :(
  17. 0
    April 24 2024 22: 58
    If we had to detect the approach of such a drone, then it would have to be done in the low-frequency part of the spectrum, since the main energy of the engine sound spectrum is concentrated there. Our ear is extremely insensitive to the low-frequency part of the spectrum. Our microphones, obviously, are also not designed for high parameters to work in a zone close to infrasound.

    If you look at the picture for this text, then we are talking about frequencies of 200-250 Hz, which is not infrasound, and does not pose a problem for microphones.
    1. 0
      April 24 2024 23: 14
      Quote from solar
      If you look at the picture for this text, then we are talking about frequencies of 200-250 Hz, which is not infrasound, and does not pose a problem for microphones.

      Yes, if you record sound with a microphone whose frequency response begins, say, at 50 Hz, then looking for infrasound frequencies on the spectrogram is a fascinating, but pointless activity.
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        April 24 2024 23: 19
        What is the point of discussing something that is not registered? I look at the picture attached to this text - there is nothing below 100 Hz.
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          April 24 2024 23: 44
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          What is the point of discussing something that is not registered?

          It makes sense to make a reservation. And the author did it.

          Although it is unlikely that there will be infrasound there. Where does he come from in this buzzer?
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          April 25 2024 06: 45
          What is the point of discussing something that is not registered? I look at the picture attached to this text - there is nothing below 100 Hz.

          All sounds are taken from YouTube and in compressed format. That is, the entire low-frequency part has already been cut out. But this part may contain traces of the operation of the engine governor or some parts important for subsequent identification. Well, a big plus is that low-frequency sounds are extremely weakly attenuated.
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          April 25 2024 23: 35
          . Below 100 Hz there is nothing there.

          Mp3. It's lossy compression.
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            April 25 2024 23: 59
            loss of quality and complete absence of signal in the picture are not the same thing.