Nicholas I and lost modernization

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Nicholas I and lost modernization
Sinop battle. Hood. I.K. Aivazovsky Central Naval Museum. Saint Petersburg.


Don Quixote of feudalism


"The natural course of things" in Russia, according to the monarch Nicholas I, only foreign “revolutions”, which really went on in an endless series throughout the 30s and 40s of the XNUMXth century, could be damaged.



Here we need to highlight two key conceptual points related to external challenges for Russia.

Firstly, after the victory over Napoleon, Russia, as the most powerful feudal country in Europe, took upon itself the obligation to fight revolutions and help the countries fighting them. Gradually turning from a liberating country into a very conditional, but still “gendarme of Europe.” Which, it must be said, did not in any way cancel the fact that this policy contributed to the security of the country, sometimes. And sometimes not.
Secondly, with the development of bourgeois forces, with the liberation of European countries from the remaining feudal shackles, a new stage of struggle begins, now on a global scale, for resources and markets, where England plays the first fiddle, fighting the main natural opponents: the growing strength of the bourgeois France and the strongest military power in Europe - Russia.

As I already wrote, nationalism with its myths demonizing opponents, chauvinism, racism, racial and social superiority in relation to its opponents, in particular Russia, became an integral ideological component of the countries in which the bourgeoisie took power: the “policeman of Europe” was irritated by “ Gendarme of Europe."

The progressive liberalization of social life, which took place in countries that had reached the bourgeois stage of development, did not cancel their aggressive and aggressive actions in the struggle for the resources they needed for development.

Nicholas I soberly assessed the foreign policy of concessions of his predecessor in relation to the two semi-feudal predatory monarchies of Europe, Austria and Prussia, but continued it in the same spirit, turning a blind eye to the aggressive plans of his older feudal brothers, claiming that he

“gave in only for the sole reason of preserving the union.”

Blind adherence to the principles of legitimism, which reflected the class views of feudal knights and personally Don Quixote of feudalism on bourgeois revolutions, harmed Russia's foreign policy and its geopolitical position, but it could not be otherwise. In the conditions of the stage of feudalism at which the country stood, there were only one interests, of course, very coarsening - the feudal lords.

Nicholas I saw the monarchs with whom wars were fought not as heads of enemy states who needed to be destroyed, but as equal rulers-“knights” with whom wars took place out of misunderstanding, in the style of knightly tournaments. This was the case in the Russian-Persian War of 1826–1828, when General I. F. Paskevich (1782–1856), an outstanding commander, could destroy the Qajar dynasty (1796–1925).


Field Marshal I. F. Paskevich. Hood. T. G. Shevchenko

The same thing happened after the Russian-Turkish War of 1828–1829, when Russian troops were 240 km from Istanbul, “the key to the house of Russia.”


Conquest of the city of Adrianople c. Dibich-Zabalkansky 1829 Hood. unknown State Russian Museum. Saint Petersburg.

The king convinced the Sultan that he was his friend and did not want the collapse of Turkey. He confirmed this in 1833, when he saved Porto from collapse and the Sultan from death by signing the Treaty of Unkar-Iskelessi in the “style of peace and conservatism.” In 1844, due to the Greek revolution, the heads of Christian communities in Turkey were warned that Russia would not provide them with assistance in the event of unrest against Istanbul.

As part of the fight against the revolution in 1849, the emperor saved the Austrian Empire from the nationalist uprising of Hungary, which, trying to free itself from the rule of the Habsburgs, brought oppression to neighboring peoples. And the emergence of a new state, actively supported by Polish emigrants, for example, General Jozef Bem (1794–1850), posed a threat to the Russian Empire.

And public opinion in Europe and England was completely on the side of the rebels, seeing them as freedom fighters, and in the Russian troops as stranglers of freedom.


Nicholas I. Hood. I. A. Vinberg. State Russian Museum. Saint Petersburg.

Both the very straightforward Nicholas and his diplomats, such as "Austrian Minister of Russian Foreign Affairs" K.V. Nesselrode, in a situation where their German allies acted based on their selfish but national interests, tried only to exhort them, appealed to justice and smoothed out rough edges, making constant concessions, even at critical moments the day before and during Crimean War.

This policy of “chivalry,” with its lack of pragmatism and failure to respect national interests, raised eyebrows even among ill-wishers, such as the Austrian politician Friedrich Gentz ​​(1764–1832). It was directly related to the mentality of the Russian ruling class and was reflected in the actions of the monarchs, “magnanimous and with a knightly temperament,” as the Dutch colonel F. Gagern, who visited Russia, wrote: “they are not guided by cold calculations.”

Throughout the reign of Nicholas I, there were endless wars and clashes related to bourgeois nations and self-determination of peoples. The main “outcast” of the Viennese political system of 1815 was France. The only one who could compete economically with England and militaryly compete with Russia, she threatened territorial seizures of Prussia and Austria. When Napoleon's president and nephew Louis-Napoleon Bonaparte (1833–1893) became Emperor Napoleon III, Lord Raglan, the future British commander in the Crimea, began preparing the defense of London against a French invasion.

“German bullets, Turkish bullets, French bullets, Russian sticks!”


The Russian feudal army at the beginning of the 19th century, as I have written more than once, was not an army of knights on horseback, but a modern army, where nobles commanded serfs. Of course, one can always say that there were a lot of nuances, but they do not change the class basis of the army, which remained feudal under the rule of feudalism.


Changing of the guard of the Izmailovsky Life Guards Regiment at the Winter Palace. Hood. A. Jebens. State Russian Museum. Saint Petersburg.

Personnel policy and unwritten rules of servility, an atmosphere of flattery, forced even very good Russian commanders to hush up problems, not to bring them to the attention of the emperor, as in the case of the campaign in Hungary or during the introduction of troops into the Danube principalities in 1853. And this situation directly affected the management of the army. The outstanding commander I. F. Paskevich wrote about regularity:

“It is good only in moderation, and the degree of this measure is knowledge of war, otherwise acrobatism comes out of regularity.”

Of course, there are a lot of statements from contemporaries on this matter. The same military reformer D. A. Milyutin believed:

“In a large part of government measures taken during the reign of Emperor Nicholas, the police point of view prevailed, that is, concern for maintaining order and discipline. From this came the suppression of personality, and the extreme restriction of freedom in all manifestations of life, in science, art, word, print. Even in the military business, which the emperor was engaged in with such passionate enthusiasm, the same predominant concern for order and discipline prevailed, not for substantial improvement of the troops, not for his adaptation to combat assignment, but only outward appearance, with a brilliant view of the parades, "pedantic observance of countless petty formalities that dull the human mind and kill the true military spirit."

Regularity, which took on terrible forms, was a forced measure in the conditions of, on the one hand, the feudal freemen, and on the other, the serf soldier.

Under Nicholas, a number of successes were achieved in supplying the army, providing it with the minimum necessary, streamlining relationships with suppliers and contractors, and bringing order to state-owned military factories in comparison with the period of the reign of Alexander I.

Nevertheless, from 1826 to 1850, as reported to Nicholas I, 1 “lower ranks” died from disease in the army, 062% of all personnel, half died from chronic diseases. During the same time, according to the same report, 839 (40,8%) died in wars, 30 (233%) fled from service. In the Hungarian campaign, 1,1 were killed, 155 were wounded, and 857 died from wounds and illnesses.


Battle of Bystritsa (Episode from the Russian-Hungarian War of 1849) Hood. B. P. Villelvade. State Russian Museum. Saint Petersburg.

In connection with the exorbitant expenses associated with foreign policy, there was a constant “tightening of the screws,” or the introduction of new taxes and excise taxes, which at the same time led to an increase in arrears; in 1850 they amounted to 107 rubles.

Throughout the period under review, the country’s budget remained in deficit, and the gap in income and expenditure was constantly growing:


15% of all expenses went to repay loans.

If we compare data on money allocated for the army, without fleet, from 1826 to 1850, with the national debt, we will find that it actually coincides: 1 rubles - against 470 rubles - on January 182, 230, or 935 - in 146. Thus, all borrowings equaled the amounts spent on the army. The lion's share of the military budget was absorbed by the costs of uniforms, food and service fees - 592%.


At the Kronstadt roadstead. Hood. I.K. Aivazovsky. Central Naval Museum. Saint Petersburg.

If we do not focus on management mistakes, we can say that the feudal system and the monarch could not cope with the situation caused by external threats. All the wars carried out by Nicholas I were solely for the “glory of the Russian feudal army”; they wasted material and human resources without helping to resolve the key issue for the country: carrying out a new modernization.

On the other hand, the geopolitical situation required resources incommensurate with the possibility of a feudal economy in conditions of stepmother nature and periodic shortages.

Don Quixote's defeat by the steam engine


"European Concert", in which Nicholas I and his elder brother loved to play after the revolutions of 1848–1849, became hostile to Russia: England sought to suppress its competitor for the place of the European “silovik”. France - to avenge Napoleon's defeats. They, like Piedmont, which suddenly joined the union, needed a “small victorious war” to transfer public attention from internal social problems to external ones. Among other things, all bourgeois countries need markets for sales and cheap raw materials, which was clearly demonstrated by the Opium Wars of 1840–1842. and 1856–1860 to capture Chinese markets, starting with the sale of drugs.


Austrian army mid-1859th century: grenadier of Field Marshal I. Radetzky, officer XNUMX, infantry of Franz Joseph I.

Austria itself wanted to profit from Turkey without Russia, especially since its union with Russia would have caused uprisings in the Hungarian and Italian parts of this patchwork empire. Prussia, which began rapid bourgeois growth, maintained friendly neutrality and...banned exports weapons to Russia.

In such an unfavorable political and complex geopolitical situation, which neither Nicholas I nor his diplomats took into account, the Crimean or Eastern War of 1853–1856 took place.

The Industrial Revolution ensured the military-technical superiority of England and France over Russia, and they used the first significant reason to attack, of course, under the pretext of protecting dispossessed Turkey against

hopeless and degenerate people.

The overwhelming technological superiority of the Allies, primarily the British, in modern warships guaranteed them dominance in the Black Sea and a trouble-free landing in the Crimea to capture the fleet base, Sevastopol. Both sides made grave tactical mistakes in Crimea.


Memorial plaque from St. Paul's Cathedral. London. Photo by the author.

But eventually, after a series of Allied failures at the siege of Sevastopol, they were able to increase their forces using technological capabilities and secure a military advantage.

In conditions of a huge long border, where, on the one hand, there was a threat to the western borders from Austria and Prussia, with a simultaneous Polish uprising.

On the other hand, as it turned out, the entire coastline was completely open to enemy ships, including access to the capital. This situation was compensated on the Russian side solely by the determination and courage of the defenders of the coastal fortresses.

The remoteness of the fronts, for example the Transcaucasian, and the lack of railways did not allow the rapid movement of troops: by 1850 there were 10 km of railways in England, 656 in France, 3 km in Russia, 083 in 381. The route from Marseille through Varna to Sevastopol was about 600 km, and from Moscow to Sevastopol – 1851 km.


Screw ship "Retvizan" wintering. Hood. N. N. Gritsenko. Central Naval Museum, St. Petersburg.
The ship was launched in 1855 in St. Petersburg. Equipped with a steam engine from the Nobel plant. But due to the fact that the weight of the steam engine was not taken into account, the ship lost the possibility of combat use.

The defeat was caused primarily by the technological backwardness of Russia, associated with the stage of socio-economic development at which the country was located, where no industrial revolution was possible.

For the development of the economy, single-point achievements, all sorts of “points of growth” only emphasize the general technological failure.

This war determined new conditions of existence in the world: national security was now determined by the ability to constantly and quickly improve weapons and combat tactics based on the use of new technologies, as well as mass military training of the entire male population of the country.

In this situation, without a quick transition to building a capitalist system, Russia had little chance of existence.

It was not the personal desires and preferences of the good tsar, but the military defeat in the Crimean War in particular and the military danger in general that ensured the fall of the serfdom, and with it classical feudalism in Russia. And this was the key and most important condition.

Because the military threat that created the feudal system in Rus'-Rus 300 years ago has now interrupted "the natural course of things" feudal Russia.

How serfdom was abolished and how Russia began to develop, we will tell in the next article...
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  1. +4
    April 18 2024 05: 10
    Thank you Edward, I’ll comment on this later, I don’t have time yet.
    Good morning everyone!
    1. +19
      April 18 2024 05: 42
      As Russian landowners acted, for example, in the 20s of the nineteenth century. Having sold the harvest at the market, they kept the proceeds and did not put them into circulation. And so that the “serf corporation” did not depend on the grabber-industrialists, they hired a village blacksmith, weaver, cooper, and so on. As a result, industry, having no sales market, was at the level of handicrafts, the village sank to the level of subsistence farming, and landowners with working capital had fun at balls. Let me remind you that in England, France and other European countries the industrial revolution was in full swing, and we received such degradation that after 30 years, English and French officers, going to the Crimean War, took with them furniture, wives, dogs and their favorite prostitutes . For the West, it was a colonial war, and they did not see the difference between Russia and, say, India. Here you have “modernization” in Russian - the other side of the industrial revolution of the West - the quintessence of serfdom (more precisely, slavery in its purest form in Rus'). “Thank you” to Nikolai and his grandmother Sofia Frederica (Ekaterina).
      1. +8
        April 18 2024 07: 12
        Actually, the problem was obvious. Liberating peasants without land is pointless; what will they live on? And if you give them the land of the landowners, what will the only at least literate layer of Russia - the nobility - live on? From whom then should managers of all levels be recruited? To pay the nobles the usual salary according to their status - no treasury of that time would be enough... And to introduce education to the rest of the population on a massive scale - again, with what forces and at what cost? And why the hell did the nobility, which had finally turned into parasites, not need all this...
        1. +6
          April 18 2024 11: 27
          Quote: paul3390
          And to massively introduce education to the rest of the population - again, with what forces and at what cost?

          Education (primary) could be introduced by the same landowners. Voluntary-compulsory. Those who were unable to implement it hand over the estate to the treasury.
          If desired, everything can be done. There's just no desire. What then, what now.
          1. +8
            April 18 2024 12: 55
            Quote: conil
            Voluntary-compulsory. Those who were unable to implement it hand over the estate to the treasury.

            There were at least two Russian tsars who seriously thought that I could dictate my will to the landowners. One was the grandfather of Nicholas I, the other the father request
            1. +4
              April 18 2024 13: 10
              Especially Peter the third great dictator, ahah. It was he who freed the nobles from compulsory civil service, allowing the ignoramus to spend his entire life wiping his pants on the estates.
              1. +7
                April 18 2024 13: 12
                He also took away the serfs from the church, and then the landowners began to think...
            2. +1
              April 18 2024 22: 15
              There were at least two Russian tsars who seriously thought that I could dictate my will to the landowners.

              good good good
          2. +3
            April 18 2024 20: 36
            Education (primary) could be introduced by the same landowners. Voluntary-compulsory.

            In real life, I can count on my fingers the organizations and factories in the Middle Urals that invest in the education of their specialists. Expensive - yes, very expensive. The rest prefer to outbid specialists.
            The realities of two centuries ago were similar. Mining factories required specialists. Even the tight-fisted Demidovs had to organize schools at factories. The most intelligent ones were sent to school in Yekaterinburg.
            Despite all the archaic nature of manufacturing in the form of mining factories, they had a system of social justice for workers. For example, Stroganov’s factories necessarily had: a school and a hospital. A number of categories of workers received pensions.
            It is not surprising that the “empire” of the Stroganovs, until the abolition of serfdom, grew voluntarily with villages and hamlets. Who exchanged freedom for social services.
      2. +2
        April 18 2024 11: 22
        French officers, going to the Crimean War, took with them furniture, wives, dogs and favorite prostitutes.

        This turns out to be the reason for the defeat of our army in the Crimean War. I sincerely feel sorry for our officers. Due to the scientific and technological backwardness of the country, they had to fight without their favorite prostitutes. What a horror!
      3. +6
        April 18 2024 12: 54
        Quote: Proxima
        For the West it was a colonial war,

        You might think that during the Napoleonic wars, gentlemen officers of absolutely all armies did not carry with them furniture, wives, dogs and favorite prostitutes.
      4. +7
        April 18 2024 12: 59
        Quote: Proxima
        As Russian landowners acted, for example, in the 20s of the nineteenth century. Having sold the harvest at the market, they kept the proceeds for themselves,

        The modern Russian owner of an enterprise does the same. Having sold the products, he buys himself a new car or puts money in the bank. And he doesn’t think at all about modernizing production, in which workers, like serfs, work with 19th-century tools. As a result, either non-Russians squeeze out his business or he leaves for the West on time with the money, which has always been the dream of most Russians.
    2. 0
      5 May 2024 20: 45
      An interesting article and analysis of the reign of two sovereigns. An interesting fact is that Peter I the reformer did not become an example for his descendants of the development and strengthening of his country. The essence and way of government of all subsequent sovereigns and rulers lay in their well-fed, idle rule of slaves. There was no development of Rus' for centuries. A similar situation has been observed in Russia over the past 22 years. On the scale of modern progress, this is about a couple of centuries by the standards of that time. History repeats itself, and our sovereign rulers have not learned a lesson from it to this day. Thanks to the author!
  2. +1
    April 18 2024 05: 24
    It’s strange, feudal Russia, in the 17th and 18th centuries, fought for its interests, but in the 19th century, Russian feudal lords were suddenly not interested in their interests.
    1. +5
      April 18 2024 07: 04
      And in the 19th century they were no longer obliged to serve at all...
    2. +10
      April 18 2024 07: 40
      Good afternoon,
      and in the 19th century, Russian feudal lords suddenly weren’t interested in their own interests.

      interests did not change and the nobles fought for them, the defense of Sevastopol alone is worth it. But...
      You can’t fight with checkers against propeller ships (I’m exaggerating).
      New technologies, as well as now, were in the West: they were obtained in the 18th century. did not in any way contradict the structure of the noble-feudal society. Just think, we’ll build factories and catch up with the serfs.
      Manufacture, as a form of production organization, did not contradict feudalism.
      And in the first factories where machines began to be used, the workers were mainly, as I wrote in the previous article, either serfs who were released on quitrent, or serfs who were rented out.
      But...for mass industrial production, and without it it was impossible for the country to maintain defense capability at an acceptable level, a new class was needed - the proletariat.
      Because the Industrial Revolution is social, and not about machines, it creates a class of proletarians.
      But there is no way without the bourgeoisie, and this is first of all. The feudal state in the 18th century, after Peter, could create the necessary “industry,” but in the 19th century, no, not at all.
      And the bourgeoisie is the gravedigger of the feudal lords, so contradictions arose.
      Defense requires new technologies, their borrowing from the West, but the nobles do not want this, since new technologies will lead to a change in the ruling class.
      hi
      1. +3
        April 18 2024 07: 56
        In order not to borrow technology from the West, it was necessary to raise its own scientists, engineers and skilled workers.
        That's a lot of money that had to be spent on the education system...
        How much money will he then use to travel abroad?
        So Tsar Nicholas the First wanted to be the “European Savior from revolutions” and not change anything in his native state. The feudal “Stone Age” suited him quite well, and he personally did not need the industrial “Iron Age”!
        Like in Bek’s song from the movie “Don’t be afraid, I’m with you” -
        Who is the basis in all matters
        I decided to make something new,
        That today is unprecedented
        Manages capital.
        Poor smart guys with diplomas,
        I let you go home with bows,
        But from the threshold I said sternly:
        Change everything without touching the basics.

        Otherwise, war is for the retarded,
        Ancient and stupid,
        So that from now on in a new way,
        Everything remained as before.

        By the way, it serves as a gift to me,
        There is a choir with a singer in the gramophone,
        I am for new traditions
        But the content is old.
      2. +3
        April 18 2024 10: 44
        in the first factories where machines began to be used, the workers were mainly, as I wrote in the previous article, either serfs who were released on quitrent, or serfs who were rented out.

        Our managers were not there then. They would probably offer to have guest workers.
        1. +3
          April 18 2024 11: 37
          That's how they were imported. Not from Central Asia - one and a half navvies lived there - but from Germans and Serbs.
          1. +1
            April 18 2024 13: 27
            Quote: conil
            That's how they were imported. Not from Central Asia - one and a half navvies lived there - but from Germans and Serbs

            There are also Scots, Gordon, Learmonth, Barclay de Toly, and also Circassians since the 16th century.
      3. +1
        April 18 2024 20: 00
        Good evening Edward!
        The defense of Sevastopol alone is worth it. But...
        You can’t fight with checkers against propeller ships (I’m exaggerating).
        New technologies, as well as now, were in the West: they were obtained in the 18th century. did not in any way contradict the structure of the noble-feudal society.

        What about minelaying in the Baltic? How many participants in the Crimean War Market had such weapons?
        Regarding Western technologies. For example, Nikolai called his mistress to him via telegraph, and his counterpart with a bell...
        Without denying negative trends, in a number of moments Russia was at its best and slaughtering all the sheep, anticipating the “advanced bourgeois system” is extremely wrong.
        Much is controversial and ambiguous, from military settlements to digital schools at mining factories.
        1. +5
          April 18 2024 20: 54
          Dear Vladislav, good evening,
          “Spotwise” does not work, this is the key problem, which is why our country, under the leadership of Nikolai Pavlovich, is getting into problems.
          The system defeats any, even the most outstanding, achievements: the Romans and Archimedes laughing laughing
          I cited in the last article the number of literate farmers in England in 1700, 60 years before the Industrial Revolution, and in Russia in 1858. But this is a significant factor.
          Until the Bolsheviks carried out the cultural revolution and all three technological revolutions en masse in the 30s, Russia, in terms of technology, was hanging out at the very end of technological progress.
          This must be understood, remembered and not allowed. Nikolai’s targeted telegram did not help on the batteries of Sevastopol, literally at all, just like many, again “targeted” achievements, such as Popov’s radio station or the periodic table, in the Russian-Japanese and First World Wars.
          Sincerely,
          Edward
          1. +3
            April 18 2024 22: 23
            We should not forget the factor at the time of the Crimean War, the lack of a railway network.. Elementarily, if there had been a road, the supply of reinforcements, ammunition, and so on could have been ensured.. In fact, Sevastopol was not attacked from the rear... But.. On horseback don’t dung too much.. Definitely about technology.. Remember the cartoon about Lefty, who drunkenly shouted, saying that the British don’t clean their guns with bricks..
          2. +1
            April 19 2024 04: 31
            Good morning Edward!
            The “regular” state of Nicholas I simply did not have time to respond to the challenges of history, but with the victory of the Decembrists, I doubt that the latter would have done better.
            Seriously, I don’t know where to “find the middle”, since the storm of the revolution, or the stagnation under Nikolai Pavlovich’s grandson, is still evil.
      4. 0
        5 May 2024 21: 30
        That's right, Edward. Analyzing the course of history, you come to the understanding that the temptation of the ruling elites to “sit too long” and slow down the development of civilization is very strong. Moreover, the higher the potential of strong states and their resource capabilities, the stronger their desire for this. Conversely, countries with low performance indicators were a kind of engine of progress. Of course, this is a rough estimate, correct only to some extent.
  3. +3
    April 18 2024 07: 34
    The fact is that Nicholas I - German both by blood and by upbringing. Even if we consider his father to be the son of Peter III, then Paul I has Russian blood as big as a nose. Nicholas's mother is Sophia Maria Dorothea Augusta Louise of Württemberg, and if we take into account Paul's admiration for the Prussian king and the German order, we can imagine the atmosphere in which Nicholas grew up. The nanny was the Baltic German Charlotte Lieven, after seven years, General Lamzdorf. There is nothing Russian there at all. Nicholas even took a wife for himself - Friederike Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina of Prussia, a German princess from the house of Hohenzollern. The Holstein-Gottorps understood their seat on the throne in a very unique way. The interests of Russia, the internal structure of the state, everything is on the side. The main task is to preserve monarchies in Europe at any cost and to the detriment of Russia. And this is all with German pedantry and stubbornness. This trait was noticed by Russian contemporaries.
    And why is a German better than a Slav?

    Isn't it because where is his destiny?

    He won’t throw it away, he’ll find it everywhere

    Fatherland and potatoes? Here are the people:

    And he rules without talent and serves for money,

    He puts pressure on everyone, but when they beat him, it doesn’t bother him! Lermontov
    Saltykov-Shchedrin in the play “The Boy in Pants and the Boy Without Pants”
    “You said the truth: you have culture, and science, and art, and free institutions, but the worst thing is: you don’t come to us with this at all, but only to play dirty tricks. Who is the most heartless oppressor of the Russian working man? - German! who is the most ruthless teacher? - German! who is the dumbest administrator? - German!.. And note that, comparatively speaking, your science is still second-rate, your art too, and your institutions even more so. You only have first-class envy and greed, and since you arbitrarily mixed this greed with entitlement, you think that you are destined to devour the world. That’s why you are hated everywhere, not only here, but everywhere.”
    So, expect some kind of reforms from the ruling dynasty there, useless it was heading towards degeneration, and the Prussian kings were pushing it, regularly supplying seedy German princesses to the kings. The dynasty was doomed.
    1. +8
      April 18 2024 07: 47
      So, it was useless to wait for some kind of reforms from the ruling dynasty; it was heading towards degeneration

      Good morning,
      Everything you wrote is absolutely correct.
      But ...it's secondary in relation to the socio-economic stage and agrarian mentality of this period.
      Everything you listed was a consequence of this.
      Here in the 30s of the twentieth century. at the new factories there was complete “sabotage”: were they all spies and enemies?
      Of course not. The “crookedness” that led to “sabotage” stemmed from the agrarian mentality.
      The same thing happened in Western Europe, but much earlier, during the Industrial Revolutions - no difference, the transition from agrarian thinking to industrial thinking is a difficult thing.
      hi
      1. +7
        April 18 2024 08: 08
        "Crookedness" that led to "sabotage"
        “Crookedness” in the late 20s and mid-30s of the last century is well depicted in one of the humorous stories of that time. The essence is that a woodworking enterprise acquired an imported automatic saw. And the peasant workers, of course, are trying to cut different types of trees, up to stumps, in the end they decided to try to see if the saw would cut through an iron scrap. The crowbar, of course, the saw didn’t cut, it broke, and the peasants said it was rubbish, but it wasn’t a saw. smile
        1. +3
          April 18 2024 08: 12
          The crowbar, of course, the saw didn’t cut, it broke, and the men said it was rubbish, but it wasn’t a saw.

          Rubbish, for sure good
      2. +2
        April 18 2024 15: 40
        Here in the 30s of the twentieth century. at the new factories there was complete “sabotage”: were they all spies and enemies?
        Of course not. The “crookedness” that led to “sabotage” stemmed from the agrarian mentality.

        Well, yes, what could you want from the former peasants, who saw the most iron thing an ax? and here are the machines!
      3. +3
        April 18 2024 16: 15
        But...it is secondary to the socio-economic stage and agrarian mentality of this period.
        How to tell if it's secondary or not. Why did the country under the Holstein-Gottorpskys remain essentially feudal until their end? Nicholas, like his father always drawn to Prussia, while they did not notice the socio-economic changes taking place there. Them didn't even occur to me, how Frederick William I issued the famous “School Edict” in 1717, thereby beginning the elimination of illiteracy in the kingdom. And Paul’s idol, Frederick the Great, in 1763 introduced the “Prussian Royal General Regulations for Rural Schools” (Königlich Preußische General-Land-Schul-Reglement). This was the most important school regulation of the century, which regulated all aspects of school life. And Nikolashka’s father-in-law abolished serfdom altogether in 1807. Well, what did Frederick’s admirers, Paul and his numerous offspring do? Were you concerned about education in RI? Not at all. For some reason there were Holstein-Gottorp surethat with the transition to Orthodoxy, their mission to the people is over and Russian peasants will continue to idolize the dynasty. Therefore no reforms and there is no need to abolish serfdom, and it will do. 1917 showed how wrong they were in their aspirations.
        1. +1
          April 18 2024 17: 36
          How to tell if it's secondary or not. Why did the country under the Holstein-Gottorpskys remain essentially feudal until their end?

          Because it had such an economic formation, and as specific material shows, what I wrote about in this and two previous articles, no Nicholas I could change.
          1. +1
            April 18 2024 18: 36
            Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
            Because it had such an economic formation, and as specific material shows, what I wrote about in this and two previous articles, no Nicholas I could change.
            Most likely he didn’t want to, everything was fine, and after the December events, the nobility lost its ambitions. Nicholas with his police apparatus could easily control the nobility.
    2. +12
      April 18 2024 13: 04
      Interestingly, in England there was also a German dynasty on the throne, whose representatives regularly married “seedy German princesses.” But for some reason this did not hinder progress at all.
      Maybe it's not the blood?
      1. +3
        April 18 2024 13: 21
        Yeah, and how many Germans were there in the power structures of Great Britain, including the army and navy? Apart from the Hessian mercenaries, of course.
        And what happens if you act against the economic interests of the ruling class of England, the bourgeoisie, was substantively demonstrated to the Scotsman Charles 1 by separating the head from the body.
        1. +8
          April 18 2024 13: 34
          Quote: Dozorny severa
          Yeah, and how many Germans were there in the power structures of Great Britain, including the army and navy?

          Quite a lot for such a small country.
          Just look at the Battenbergs, who later became the Mountbattens.
          Just don’t forget that the majority of Germans at the top of Russia are in fact our compatriots. That is, from the Ostesean provinces
          Quote: Dozorny severa
          What happens if you act against the economic interests of the ruling class...

          .. Russia, they were shown in detail to the Holsteiner Peter Ulrich and his son Pavel by means of a hemorrhoidal snuffbox in the temple.
          The ruling class, really. another
          1. 0
            April 18 2024 14: 00
            [Quote] [/ quote]
            The Germans never played a significant role in England comparable to the Scots, Irish, French or Jews.
            As for the Baltic Sea people, it was possible to do without these hereditary colonizers, whose intellectual abilities were rated very low by their contemporaries.
            Regarding Paul 1, the same English bourgeois helped him to leave for another world, only through the wrong hands, fortunately he already had experience. However, the bourgeois had someone to learn from - the mass murder of monarchs and queens in England and Scotland is sanctified by a centuries-old tradition, like cricket or whiskey .
            1. +3
              April 18 2024 15: 07
              Quote: Dozorny severa
              The Germans never played a significant role in England comparable to the Scots, Irish, French or Jews.

              This is logical, since they did not live in the same state with the British. However, the leader of the Cavaliers was Prince Rupert of the Palatinate, and the fleet in WWI was led by Lord Mountbatten.
              Quote: Dozorny severa
              whose intellectual abilities were rated very low by his contemporaries.

              What nonsense? Whose intelligence is low and compared to whom? Maybe we can compare Totleben and Menshikov?
              Quote: Dozorny severa
              Regarding Paul 1, the same English bourgeois helped him to leave for another world

              Of course of course. The Russians are so flawed that they cannot even kill their own Tsar.
              But that wasn't what we were talking about...
      2. +3
        April 18 2024 18: 47
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        Interestingly, in England there was also a German dynasty on the throne, whose representatives regularly married “seedy German princesses.” But for some reason this did not hinder progress at all.
        Maybe it's not the blood?

        That's the problem with her. It’s just that the Hanoverian, smarter than the Holstein-Gottorp, when circumstances began to turn out not in their favor, immediately changed their shoes and became the Windsor dynasty. And they tried not to remember their German roots anymore.
  4. +10
    April 18 2024 07: 43
    hi Greetings, Edward!
    when Russian troops were 240 km from Istanbul
    The Russian army could no longer conduct military operations, because... Most of the army lay in hospitals, suffering not from their wounds, but from illnesses. During this company, non-combat losses were many times higher than combat losses.
    1. +3
      April 18 2024 08: 11
      Alexey good morning!
      During this company, non-combat losses were many times higher than combat losses.

      Yes, yes. hi
    2. +6
      April 18 2024 09: 26
      If I'm not mistaken, World War 2 is the first war where army losses in battles exceeded losses from disease.
  5. +5
    April 18 2024 07: 44
    Firstly, after the victory over Napoleon, Russia, as the most powerful feudal country in Europe, took upon itself the obligation to fight revolutions and help the countries fighting them.

    The Tsar-Ampyarator himself appointed himself a “Fighter for all that is good against all that is bad.” By the hands of ordinary soldiers..
    After all, the Monarch Brothers are offended by all sorts of rabble... This cannot be allowed!!!
  6. +3
    April 18 2024 08: 07
    Thanks to the author for an excellent article.
    The author, from my point of view, with which I am sure many will agree, demonstrates significant professional growth.
    From Gumilyov's hypotheses, the author came to justify the events taking place in the country, based on the state of the economic basis - which cannot but rejoice.
    However, the conclusions are again lacking.
    In my opinion, history must be studied in order to understand what is happening in the present and will happen in the future. This is the main task of the historian.
    For example, Russian society generally does not understand that a lag in the level of development of productive forces from developed countries always leads to military defeat, which inevitably entails huge human and material losses.
    1. +2
      April 18 2024 08: 10
      Good afternoon, Vladimir,
      Thank you for rating.
      But, by the way, I have never been a fan of Gumilyov, nor a propagandist of his ideas,
      Even at the University he always criticized his theory in his coursework.
      hi
      1. 0
        April 18 2024 08: 35
        Perhaps I simply did not understand or was confused. request
        Why don’t you write an article - “How the Nikolaev pro-German clique nurtured German imperialism.” The number of Germans on all the upper floors of the feudal ladder under Nikolai Palkin acquired a simply catastrophic character. Nikolashka’s pro-German orientation ultimately led to WW1 and then to WW2 .
        Visible parallels with modern times emerge; the pro-German leadership of the Russian Federation ultimately led to an economic catastrophe.
        1. +3
          April 18 2024 08: 59
          You can write many different articles. Everyone writes articles on their own topics. For me this is a hobby, not a job.
          Why don’t you do this, write an article on a topic that interests you: it’s not that difficult. hi
          1. 0
            April 18 2024 22: 28
            Before writing the article, did you not watch Klim Zhukov’s wonderful lecture on the causes, background, consequences, and process of abolishing serfdom?
            1. +1
              April 19 2024 07: 56
              Good day, Andrey,
              no.
              Although I watch Zhukov from time to time.
              He and I studied with the same teachers, although he was several years later.
              So, ideas may be nearby.
              Well, he is not a Russian specialist, so his representation of these topics is a little weaker, due to the fact that medievalists placed emphasis on other disciplines.
              For example, a leading specialist on the abolition of serfdom, professor, doctor of historical sciences. and Ph.D. Sciences S.G. Kashchenko taught for Russian scholars, in addition to statistics for everyone, mathematical methods of analysis in history. disciplines. Which he himself used when studying a gigantic array of data on the reform of 1861 in individual provinces.
              hi
              1. 0
                April 20 2024 06: 51
                I recently listened to his lecture on this issue, and he approached the issue very, very thoroughly. At one time, I myself wrote a course paper on the abolition of serfdom in the Tula province in the Venev district, as they say, I inhaled the dust of arrogance :))
      2. +1
        April 18 2024 16: 03
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        I have never been a fan of Gumilyov, nor a propagandist of his ideas,
        even at the University he always criticized his theory in coursework

        Did you criticize him because of your own beliefs or because she decided so for you? Glavnauka and the university administration?
        1. +6
          April 18 2024 17: 41
          because the Main Science Department and the university administration decided so for you?

          if I had not criticized, a black funnel would have come for me and the NKVD would have shot me in the courtyard of the university, from a recoilless howitzer that was at the military department. laughing laughing laughing
    2. +4
      April 18 2024 11: 04
      For example, Russian society generally does not understand that a lag in the level of development of productive forces from developed countries always leads to military defeat, which inevitably entails huge human and material losses

      Sorry for intruding into your discussion, but Russian society not only does not understand this, it interprets it completely differently. This is always called “Your way”, “Sovereign way”, “Regional specifics”. It often seems to us that there, in foreign countries, people are doing some kind of garbage - maybe they're melting cast iron! Or grow hemp. Or #NUCLEAR WEAPONS. This is understandable as a union of a man and a woman.
      But the robotization of production or the economy of services is not clear. As well as many other things. And from this comes denial - we have our own way, we will now construct “our answer to Chamberlain” from G and sticks, so much so that they will cry with anger and envy. Let's show the world, hurrah!
      At one time there was Comrade Lysenko, who (with his colleagues) simply said - well, genetics is nonsense, these are some kind of bullshit entities. It's a matter of vernalization! And everything went to hell for many years - this is a very typical turn of events for us, unfortunately..
      1. +4
        April 18 2024 14: 28
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        But Russian society not only does not understand this, it interprets it completely differently. This is always called “Your way”, “Sovereign way”, “Regional specifics”. It often seems to us that there, in foreign countries, people are doing some kind of garbage - maybe they're melting cast iron! Or grow hemp. Or #NUCLEAR WEAPONS. This is understandable as a union of a man and a woman.
        On any other forum, except history, for such sedition, this Russian society, in the person of local fart patriots, would have downvoted you, and hard!
        lol hi
  7. +3
    April 18 2024 09: 45
    Russia, which only partially emerged from feudalism, immediately entered the progressive socio-political formation of socialism, but the shoots were early and human psychology did not have time to completely rebuild, so Russia returned to feudalism with the remnants of socialism still remaining, but our government is successfully fighting this, and our main wrestler, who knows neither history nor geography, shows us all that it will be one way and not another
  8. +3
    April 18 2024 10: 57
    Thanks for the interesting article, Author!
    When a model stubbornly pushes against the natural course of things, it begins to seem to her that she is above the laws of nature, that her power is absolute in her sphere. But this is never true - it is an illusion.
    We have often sinned by going against the nature of things and with our naive, persistent belief that we can “abolish” this nature by ignoring it. That we have the power to “freeze” the time of our glory, reject the part of progress that we don’t like, and so on.
    The clicks on the nose from this, which happened regularly, seem to have taught us nothing so far.
  9. +7
    April 18 2024 13: 08
    Blind adherence to the principles of legitimism

    I am still inclined to think that Nikolai’s “legitimism” is greatly exaggerated. He was just a pragmatist, who wrote to his brother Mikhail about the following about the Hungarian revolution:
    -Have you heard that the Hungarian men began to slaughter their lords? It would be good, but I'm afraid it will spread to us.
  10. 0
    April 18 2024 13: 16
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    At one time there was Comrade Lysenko, who (with his colleagues) simply said - well, genetics is nonsense, these are some kind of bullshit entities. It's a matter of vernalization! And everything went to hell for many years - this is a very typical turn of events for us, unfortunately..

    Lysenko did not say anything like that. He proposed realistically achievable, fast and economically profitable ways to increase productivity and that’s all. These methods, together with the ongoing policy of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) for the industrialization of agriculture, made it possible to ensure the rapid development of the productive forces of society.
    Vavilov, on the contrary, was doing who knows what, with zero results for the economy of the country, which was in military danger.
    Actually, at the present time, in the Russian Federation, the situation is repeating itself, only on the contrary - all sorts of charlatans and crooks have gained power, sawing up trillions of people's money for various kinds of pseudoscientific projects - wind generators, nanotechnology, 3-D printing and other nonsense.
    1. +3
      April 18 2024 14: 38
      Lysenko said nothing of the kind.

      Well, the comrade was opposed to genetics, otherwise what forms and expressions this attitude acquired was the tenth thing.
      various kinds, pseudoscientific projects - wind generators, nanotechnology, 3-D printing and other nonsense.

      What's so... pseudoscientific about this?
      1. -3
        April 18 2024 17: 09
        There is no such term in science - “tuned”. Academician Lysenko spent resources and showed a measurable positive result in a short time - everything is on horseback. Vavilov traveled abroad for decades, wasting people's money, which was obtained in blood and sweat and in the end did not show any results. Nowadays, managers are fired for this, in those harsh times They put it against the wall and served it right.
        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
        What's so... pseudoscientific about this?

        Everything. So it contradicts common sense and practice.
        1. +2
          April 18 2024 17: 16
          There is no such term in science - “tuned”

          very strange interpretation of my message
          Everything. So it contradicts common sense and practice.

          Yeah. Just like genetics lol
    2. +1
      April 18 2024 14: 58
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Lysenko didn’t say anything like that. He suggested realistically achievable, quick and cost-effective ways to increase productivity and that’s all.

      Even the Strugatskys captured his image in the form of Professor Vybegallo. That is, back in the days of the USSR
      1. 0
        April 19 2024 02: 11
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        That is, back in the days of the USSR

        Around the mid-1960s, the Academy of Sciences conducted a scientific assessment of Lysenko's activities. The results were depressing. High milk yields in his model farm were ensured by adding waste from chocolate production to the cows' feed. Downtime, Stalin and Khrushchev sympathized with Lysenko. Both ignored reasonable arguments that Lysenko was simply a charlatan and not a scientist. Stalin, among other things, feared that he would be removed from power by the military, state security or technocrats. Therefore, he regularly organized demonstration landings of free-thinking scientists and engineers and executions of security forces.
  11. +2
    April 18 2024 14: 54
    The progressive liberalization of social life, which took place in countries that had reached the bourgeois stage of development, did not cancel their aggressive and aggressive actions in the struggle for the resources they needed for development.

    I would even say that the need for resources for development in the stage of bourgeois society has increased many times over.
    Greetings Edward! hi
  12. +1
    April 18 2024 15: 28
    Don Quixote of feudalism

    I like it! I'll remember.
    1. +2
      April 18 2024 15: 37
      Greetings Sergey,
      There is a historical and journalistic work "Don Quixote of the Autocracy", and ditties against Paul, who is Don Quixote before Napoleon.
  13. 0
    April 18 2024 17: 04
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    What nonsense? Whose intelligence is low and compared to whom? Maybe we can compare Totleben and Menshikov?

    What kind of nonsense? - The Totlebens came from Thuringia and not a natural Baltic family. (Father - Johann Heinrich von Totleben (1781-1855), according to Polovtsov’s biographical dictionary, is a scion of a seedy branch of the old Thuringian family (in this capacity, a distant relative of the famous in the XNUMXth century of the Russian general Count Totleben), whose representatives, having moved to Courland, engaged in commerce. The father of Eduard Totleben was recorded as a merchant of the second guild.) This is data from Wiki.
    And what is outstanding about the Totleben fortress? Is this Malta?
    1. +2
      April 18 2024 19: 28
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Totlebens - immigrants from Thuringia

      1) Eduard Ivanovich was born in Mitau.
      2) What if the Thuringian is no longer German?
      You seemed to speak out against German dominance...
      L is the logic.
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      And what is outstanding about the Totleben fortress?

      That is, who is this person and what does Russia owe to him? You don’t know?
      Not surprised.
  14. 0
    April 18 2024 17: 13
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Dozorny severa
    Lysenko didn’t say anything like that. He suggested realistically achievable, quick and cost-effective ways to increase productivity and that’s all.

    Even the Strugatskys captured his image in the form of Professor Vybegallo. That is, back in the days of the USSR

    Tell us about the Strugatskys' achievements in agriculture?
    Still, it was not in vain that the communists drove the intelligentsia to buy potatoes.
    1. +1
      April 19 2024 02: 35
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      Still, it was not in vain that the communists drove the intelligentsia to buy potatoes.

      The intelligentsia were forced into squalor only because the management decisions of the Soviet communists in the field of agriculture were flawed. Partly, being sent to a collective farm was a measure of punishment for those who were undesirable. I was sent to load sleepers soaked in fresh creosote after I tried to transfer from the design department to the design department of the Central Scientific Research Institute. I didn’t sleep for 3 nights in a row because of the pain in my creosote-burned palms. Another time they tried to send me to load manure for three days for lack of zeal in carrying out Komsomol assignments. But here the interests of the Komsomol bosses of TsNITI collided with the interests of the director and the Komsomol activists clearly demonstrated that the Komsomol was just a drive belt and drove the party-administrative apparatus. During the era of collective farms, peasants were the most disadvantaged class in Russia, and wheat yields in the USSR were significantly lower than in Afghanistan. Soviet specialists sent to Afghanistan were amazed when they learned that the yield on the poorest Afghan farms usually exceeded the yield on the best Soviet collective and state farms.
      1. -3
        April 19 2024 08: 18
        What an interesting story - stay in touch and write more. And don’t forget to drink milk from palm oil - for some reason the cows disappeared along with the communists.
      2. 0
        April 19 2024 12: 06
        Soviet specialists sent to Afghanistan were amazed when they learned that the yield on the poorest Afghan farms usually exceeded the yield on the best Soviet collective and state farms.
        This means that the Soviet specialists were lousy. They were probably not sent be amazed, but to transfer or adopt experience in increasing productivity.
        Why didn’t they increase the yield on Soviet collective farms after returning to the USSR? It's so simple.
        1. +1
          April 19 2024 17: 47
          [quote=Valery Mamai]Why didn’t they increase the yield on Soviet collective farms after returning to the USSR? It’s so simple.[/quote In the Soviet system in 1998, the automation of a machine for boring the cylinders of certain tank engines was done by 6 designers, 2 electricians and a bunch of managers for about six months. In modern market conditions, such a technique is made in about 2 weeks, provided that only one person uses it. But for this it is necessary that the Vietnamese tank officer directly interact with the professional without the mediation of the red director and his comrades and without the mediation of effective managers.
          1. 0
            April 21 2024 09: 35
            Moreover, 1998 is the year of “developing” capitalism. The market has already “decided” everything,
            there was no "soviet" leadership.
            1. 0
              April 21 2024 14: 02
              Quote: Valery Mamai
              1998 is the year of “developing” capitalism. The market has already “decided” everything,
              there was no "soviet" leadership.

              Until 2000, I worked part-time in 3 different industries. In all of them, only the worst aspects of the Soviet system were adopted from the practice of the USSR. Moreover, after 1993, enterprise managers widely believed that if they got rid of the old personnel who knew their leaders and saw them as equals, then they would be replaced by ideal, obedient, efficient and talented young personnel. The real transition of production to capitalist lines began after 2008. The transition accelerated about a year and a half ago. But this is my subjective opinion.
  15. +1
    April 18 2024 17: 18
    It was not the personal desires and preferences of the good tsar, but the military defeat in the Crimean War in particular and the military danger in general that ensured the fall of the serfdom, and with it classical feudalism in Russia. And this was the key and most important condition.

    I wonder what would have happened to serfdom and feudalism if the Crimean War had ended favorably for Russia?
    1. +1
      April 18 2024 20: 35
      Quote: Mihaylov

      I wonder what would have happened to serfdom and feudalism if the Crimean War had ended favorably for Russia?
      They would have held out a little longer, but the problem of serfdom had been brewing long before the war, so abolition and subsequent reforms were inevitable.
  16. +2
    April 18 2024 18: 20
    Competent analysis of situevina.
    Only, without a doubt, the guards will come running and start screaming that the author is lying, that only the evil Freemasons did not allow us to win the Crimean War. But for the rest, RI was an earthly paradise, and it bloomed and smelled unimaginably.
  17. -1
    April 18 2024 18: 28
    Quote: Mihaylov
    It was not the personal desires and preferences of the good tsar, but the military defeat in the Crimean War in particular and the military danger in general that ensured the fall of the serfdom, and with it classical feudalism in Russia. And this was the key and most important condition.

    I wonder what would have happened to serfdom and feudalism if the Crimean War had ended favorably for Russia?

    And it could not end favorably by definition. The technical superiority of the Anglo-French forces was too obvious.
    In 1853, the British adopted a new percussion rifle with the Minié bullet. And by the time of the landing in Crimea, almost 60% of their infantry were with these rifles. Just like the French with their Minié rifles.
    We won’t talk about the steam and armored fleets, that’s a different story.
    1. +2
      April 18 2024 19: 48
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      And it could not end favorably by definition.

      Yes, it actually ended far from catastrophically. In essence, the allies have nothing special to boast about. England at that time was the most powerful world power. France is second. We are, no matter how puffed up we are, only the third... and nothing, we resisted the first two and Sardinia and Turkey to boot.
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      And by the time of the landing in Crimea, almost 60% of their infantry were with these rifles.

      Despite the fact that the British troops in Crimea never exceeded 40 thousand bayonets (and this is almost their entire regular army). We have a million-strong army, of which approximately the same 40 thousand with fittings. For reference, during the war our arms factories produced more than 200 thousand rifles.
      Quote: Tank DestroyerSU-100
      We won’t talk about the steam and armored fleets,

      And it is not necessary))
      1. 0
        April 19 2024 17: 53
        Quote: Senior Sailor
        Despite the fact that the British troops in Crimea never exceeded 40 thousand bayonets (and this is almost their entire regular army). We have a million-strong army, of which approximately the same 40 thousand with fittings.

        The Russo-Japanese War and the First World War were lost due to the inability to transport shells and reinforcements to the front. Stalin regularly faced chaos on the railways, but he quickly changed the leaders who allowed another crisis. Moreover, just before the start of World War II, the NKVD in Belarus staged a collapse on the railway, repressing or intimidating almost all specialists with reprisals.
        1. +2
          April 19 2024 19: 06
          Quote: gsev
          Russian-Japanese and the First World War were lost due to the impossibility deliver shells and replenishment to the front.

          Can you remind me in which RYV battle we didn’t have enough shells? And when did the Japanese have an overwhelming numerical advantage?
          Just for reference, Mukden - we have 280 thousand bayonets, the Japanese have 270. Sandepu has 290, the Japanese have 220. Shahe - 210 and 170, respectively. Liaoliang 128 and 126.
          1. +1
            April 19 2024 23: 10
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Can you remind me in which RYV battle we didn’t have enough shells?

            The artillery of the Russian army during the Russo-Japanese War did not have high-explosive shells. The Japanese army, seeded in Chinese fanzas and dugouts, was practically in bunkers. How to attack an entrenched enemy without high-explosive shells? As far as I know, the Russian army in World War I had disproportionately few guns compared to the number of riflemen. During the Russo-Japanese War the ratio was apparently even worse. It would be more correct to compare the capabilities of troops not by the number of riflemen, but by the power of artillery in the wars of the early 1th century.
            1. 0
              April 20 2024 10: 57
              Quote: gsev
              The artillery of the Russian army during the Russo-Japanese War did not have high-explosive shells.

              1) That is, the thesis that there were no shells at all is removed?
              2) You are mistaken. The fact is that there were no high-explosive shells for the 76 mm guns that had just entered service. But since shrapnel can be used as a “blow,” the problem is somewhat far-fetched. The main amount of artillery was of the 1877 and 1895 model. They had high-explosive shells.
              Quote: gsev
              As far as I know, the Russian army in World War I had disproportionately few guns compared to the number of riflemen.

              Yes.
              Quote: gsev
              During the Russo-Japanese War the ratio was apparently even worse.

              Нет!
              Quote: gsev
              It would have been more correct to compare the capabilities of the troops not by the number of riflemen, but by the power of the artillery

              It's Easy!
              Liaoliang. We have 606 guns, the Japanese have 484
              Sandepu 1078 and 666
              Mukden - 1475 and 1062
              1. -1
                April 20 2024 16: 05
                Quote: Senior Sailor
                We have 606 guns, the Japanese have 484

                Then this ratio was not enough for victory. As of June 22, the USSR was superior to Germany in both artillery and tanks, but during the war the Gorky plant had to increase the production of guns by 5 or 6 times. In general, the fighting qualities of soldiers are determined by national traditions and characteristics and do not change much over time and changes in the social system. This must be kept in mind when planning the amount of resources needed to win.
                1. +2
                  April 20 2024 19: 09
                  Quote: gsev
                  Then this ratio was not enough for victory.

                  Strange. The Japanese had enough, we didn’t...
                  Quote: gsev
                  In general, the fighting qualities of soldiers are determined by national traditions and characteristics and do not change much over time and changes in the social system.

                  Nonsense!
  18. -2
    April 18 2024 20: 32
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    1) Eduard Ivanovich was born in Mitau.
    2) What if the Thuringian is no longer German?
    You seemed to speak out against German dominance...
    L is the logic.

    Quote: Senior Sailor
    1) Eduard Ivanovich was born in Mitau.
    2) What if the Thuringian is no longer German?
    You seemed to speak out against German dominance...

    Well, Thuringia is one of the industrially developed regions of Germany - mining, metallurgical, optical (Zeiss) industries - therefore, the natives from these regions had a different mentality from the colonial planters of Russian bottling.
    So there is a difference and quite significant. The first were carriers of knowledge and technology, the second were ordinary feudal lords stuck in the Middle Ages - in Rus' we had our own, there were enough of them - Sobakevich, for example.
    As practice has shown, in the USSR, under the leadership of the Bolsheviks, they did without the Baltic bastards, who were equally hated by the Russian and Baltic peoples.
    1. 0
      April 19 2024 15: 24
      Vladimir, I don’t know how you manage to answer that I don’t receive notifications...
      Quote: Dozorny severa
      the second are ordinary feudal lords stuck in the Middle Ages; in Rus' we have our own people, there were plenty of them - Sobakevich, for example.

      I'm afraid that in this case, you are fundamentally mistaken.
      I will not tell you about the historian and teacher Korf. Biologist and poet Rosenakh and so on... Their names and deeds will not tell you anything.
      I will talk about “ordinary feudal lords”. Nowhere in Russia was agriculture as well organized as in the Ostesean provinces! I'm talking about noble estates now. They were the first in the empire to introduce all new products. They started steam engines, purebred cattle, and imported seeds from abroad. So your statement about their, quote, “weak intellectual abilities” not only does not stand up to any criticism, but is literally sucked out of thin air!
      1. -2
        April 19 2024 16: 01
        I don’t know where you’re sucking out your quotes, well, Delvig sucked out a quote from a typical representative of the Baltic nobility you adore - Benckendorf - “The laws are written for subordinates, not for superiors, and you have no right to refer to them in your explanations with me or justify yourself by them "
        An excellent example of Baltic intellect, isn’t it?
        Getting steam engines, purebred cattle or imported seeds - you don’t need a lot of brains - what did the Baltic world-eaters come up with? How did they buy all this?
        And in the USSR they carried out industrialization without the Baltic barons, quickly and efficiently, thanks to this we now live. The Bolsheviks put many of this bastard against the wall, for which many thanks to them.
        1. 0
          April 19 2024 18: 59
          Quote: Dozorny severa
          Well, Delvig sucked

          Which Delvig do you mean, Baron Anton Antonovich, who was born, although in Moscow, but from quite a Baltic family?
          But, yes, he didn’t study very well, But not because he was stupid, but because of banal laziness
          Quote: Dozorny severa
          Benckendorff

          What's wrong with the hero of the Patriotic War?
          And how does this phrase prove the absence/presence of intelligence?
          Quote: Dozorny severa
          And also in the USSR

          The USSR is still almost a hundred years away. We are talking about completely different times and countries. In one, the German blood of the rulers spoiled everything, but in the other, for some reason, it didn’t interfere at all. So maybe it’s not her problem after all?
  19. -2
    April 19 2024 08: 24
    Quote: gsev
    Around the mid-1960s, the Academy of Sciences conducted a scientific assessment of Lysenko's activities. The results were depressing. High milk yields in his model farm were ensured by adding waste from chocolate production to the cows' feed

    Quote: gsev
    Around the mid-1960s, the Academy of Sciences conducted a scientific assessment of Lysenko's activities. The results were depressing. High milk yields in his model farm were ensured by adding waste from chocolate production to the cows' feed.

    I’ll tell you more - high milk yields are always the result of using high-calorie feed. For example, high milk yields in Germany and Israel are caused by imported feed - soybean meal from Brazil.
    And here’s what’s surprising: Russian cows, being fed soybean meal, also milk like crazy. Strange, right?
  20. 0
    April 19 2024 23: 21
    Quote: Senior Sailor
    The USSR is still almost a hundred years away. We are talking about completely different times and countries. In one, the German blood of the rulers spoiled everything, but in the other, for some reason, it didn’t interfere at all. So maybe it’s not her problem after all?

    It’s certainly not a matter of blood, but of class interests - the Baltic barons were not much different from the American and English colonialists. Only instead of blacks there were Slavs, Balts and Estonians.
    Regarding Benckendorf’s participation in the War of 1812, the war was the responsibility of the nobility and for this they received great material benefits, unlike recruits, for example, who also participated in the war but did not have such material benefits.
  21. 0
    April 20 2024 02: 40
    The defeat was caused primarily by the technological backwardness of Russia, associated with the stage of socio-economic development at which the country was located, where no industrial revolution was possible.

    Overall, the article is interesting, but the explanation of the defeat in the war by “Russia’s technological backwardness associated with that stage of socio-economic development” is a little incorrect.
    In this way it is impossible to explain, for example, the course of the campaign in the Baltic and Pacific Oceans.

    IMHO, my personal opinion is that the cause of the problems in Crimea was 1) command and control of troops 2) strategic miscalculations, in particular regarding the deployment of troops; as far as I (with surprise) remember from memoirs, the threat was really seen “In the conditions of a huge extended border, where, on the one hand, there was a threat to the western borders from Austria and Prussia, with a simultaneous Polish uprising” 3) tactical miscalculations 4) training of troops.

    Technological lag, IMHO, was not in the top ten problems.
  22. 0
    April 27 2024 02: 37
    The defeat was caused primarily by the technological backwardness of Russia, associated with the stage of socio-economic development at which the country was located, where no industrial revolution was possible.


    well yes...
    Roughly: first second fourth fleet against third
    Second, third, fifth army against the first
    plus, the Italians who joined
    plus 4/5 of the Russian army are tied up by the Austrians and guarding the Baltic coast
    plus the rest of Europe is ready and ready to share the pie

    and as a result, Russia, if you look a little more broadly, plus the Far East, the annexation of which England and France no longer had the strength to object to, although they really wanted to.
    The Crimean War has bad PR; historians have always viewed it only as a backdrop to highlight Russia’s backwardness