The discussion of the “peace plan for Ukraine” must be transferred to the SCO platform

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The discussion of the “peace plan for Ukraine” must be transferred to the SCO platform

Since the beginning of February, the idea of ​​holding the next “peace summit” on Ukraine has been transformed into a much larger format - something like a “founding conference of new times.”

Against the backdrop of an exchange of blows between Iran and Israel, discussion of this topic will fade into the background for a while, but just for a while. The retaliatory operation “the boy’s word” (“True Promise”) from Iran will eventually be woven into this event as a thread, and a rather strong thread at that.



In general, many remember how Kyiv and the US State Department last year repeatedly tried to push the discussion of the so-called “Zelensky peace formula” to various international platforms.

These initiatives were not particularly successful. On the contrary, they complicated the negotiation processes in other institutions. A good example here was the Arab League summit in Jeddah, where Zelensky’s speech was used by Riyadh to highlight Syria’s landmark return to the Arab League (About the strange peace talks in Saudi Arabia).

But it was precisely the tactical use of the speech by the hosts of the event in Jeddah that complicated Kyiv’s own strategic task - to drive a wedge into relations between Russia and the Arabian monarchies.

The Arabs acted extremely pragmatically at that time; the idea did not bring any effect for Kyiv (About some results of the “peace summit” in Saudi Jeddah and its next stages).

Then it was not possible to somehow include Zelensky in the formula and Beijing, which since the beginning of last year already has its own “twelve points of a peaceful settlement” and does not yet see much sense in revising them.

The difference between the future summit on Ukraine, which is scheduled for mid-June in Switzerland, is that the attitude towards the negotiation process itself has changed quite significantly in the world.

You can “rinse” the hypocrisy and bias of Western media holdings as long as you like, but in general, over the past six months they have managed to create a picture not so much of a positional deadlock, but to describe the inevitability of a mega-clash along the “Russia-West” line if Kyiv begins to seriously concede territories.

For the Western (primarily American) establishment, for obvious reasons, all this was an argument in favor of providing additional packages of military and financial assistance, and for politicians in the rest of the world it was a good reason to think about economic prospects.

After all, if Europe enters the war with the “northern aggressor,” then what will happen to the trade and finances of third, neutral countries? Can this be allowed? This is absolutely impossible, which means that all third countries must gather in Switzerland for a “peace summit.”

Such semantic scissors, having been used many times, eventually began to cut through the political fabric in third countries, which generally sought to distance themselves as much as possible from the Ukrainian issues. The only exception here was, perhaps, Turkey, which had its own plans for the role of a negotiating platform.

Western media, in general, quite competently presented and sold at first the theses that “Russia wants to use tactical nuclear weapon”, increasing the pressure, inflating hysteria and hammering home connotations like: “A terrible and terrible thing is coming.”

Then they began to escalate the situation through another thesis: “The West will be forced to enter into conflict if Russia gains the upper hand.” And it cannot be said that this “information woodpecker” method had no effect.

As a result, in Switzerland, Kyiv can indeed gather a forum that is quite large in terms of participants.

Russia refused to participate in this event for obvious reasons. China (not yet) did not support these “negotiations” without the participation of Moscow. But even if the declared number of participating countries is less than the declared one (from 100 to 130 countries), the Swiss summit will already resemble in scale an event like an international assembly or a founding conference on global security.

The idea that the summit could become an analogue of New Yalta, or rather Casablanca of 1943, was so liked by Ukrainian and Western ideologists that it has been actively discussed for a week and a half.

From the point of view of the possible political weight of the event and the methods of its information support, these figures must be given their due - the transformation of some “Zelensky peace formula” into a forum on the contours of future international, and more broadly, global, security would actually be their major conceptual victory.

Even if Moscow and Beijing specifically do not come to such an event, it will not look very positive for Russia and China. And that is precisely why Moscow will be repeatedly sent invitations to come to the forum, and that is why a refusal will look like a reluctance not only to discuss Ukraine, but a reluctance to talk about global security in general, which seems to be not very becoming for an entire permanent member of the UN Security Council .

Both third countries, including China, which are generally neutral, and Moscow itself risk falling into the trap of such shifted accents.

The Russian Foreign Ministry, to its credit, caught the shift in emphasis quite quickly and therefore is making significant efforts to reduce the representativeness of the June forum in Switzerland.

But the West, unlike last year’s meetings on Ukraine, like Jeddah, here felt specific multifaceted benefits and will put pressure in all directions and with all the resources it has. And no matter what they say, they are significant.

Actually, this is why Moscow is using large caliber moves, such as taking the preliminary results of the negotiations in Istanbul in 2022 as a basis. This move is tactically quite strong, although for a significant part of the population already in Russia itself, diplomatically speaking, it is “ambiguous.”

Neither side made the Istanbul documents public in full, and it is not a fact that many representatives of third countries saw the full text.

The general idea that has developed over the past time is that Istanbul asserted the neutral status of Ukraine, economically assigned Ukraine to the EU, cut it off from admission to NATO, limited the armed forces of Kyiv, and relegated territorial issues to an indefinitely long period.

Whether this is so is difficult to say; these are interpretations of politicians and the media, since there was no direct publication of draft agreements. Also, the general situation has changed significantly in connection with referendums and the inclusion of their results in the Russian constitution.

Nevertheless, it should be noted that the move with the “Istanbul theses” is generally quite strong. Such a presentation may seriously interest many third countries, especially against the background of the possible transition of the confrontation along the Israel-Iran line into a hot phase.

And here it is important to use a negotiating platform that, on the one hand, would not bear the imprint of the hypocrisy of traditional institutions or “talk”, on the other hand, would give the negotiations a pronounced cumulative effect.

If the West wants to expand negotiations on Ukraine to a discussion of global security in formally neutral Switzerland, then there are alternatives, and one of them, the best at the moment, is the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO).

Over the past year, the SCO, due to a number of subjective and objective reasons, has faded into the background. The BRICS association came to the fore, which was “promoted” as a prototype of an economic and political alternative to “globalism.” Whether this is so is a separate question. In the moment and tactically, this view has the right to life, in the long term there are doubts about this, since BRICS is still a consequence of the transformation of those same global institutions (On the results of the last BRICS summit).

But the situation with the SCO is more interesting. The fact is that the SCO was initially created as an organization to control security in Central Asia after the collapse of the USSR. The decade of the 1990s was marked by continuous conflicts in the region.

The SCO was created as a military-political platform and acquired official institutions specifically in the sphere of interaction in security and conflict resolution, and the settlement of border disputes. Later, China systematically strengthened the SCO as an international platform in the field of economic and cultural cooperation, but it turned out that the SCO structures are much more efficient than the same BRICS, which for a long time was in a state of slight freeze.

If we do not take into account the promotion of BRICS last year, then it is the SCO, with its scope and administration system, that has truly come close to the position of a “small UN”, only without debates in the Security Council and structures like the WHO.

And it would be much more logical to bring the discussion of initiatives both on Ukraine and on security in general to the SCO, the summit of which will be held in July (a month later than Switzerland) in the capital of Uzbekistan, Tashkent.

At least, Uzbekistan is a truly neutral country regarding the situation in Ukraine, while the Russian Foreign Ministry quite logically claims that Switzerland, which imposed sanctions, is not a de facto neutral party.

The composition of the SCO, if we look at all categories of membership, is very representative.

China, India, Russia and Belarus, countries of Central Asia (plus Mongolia, but without Turkmenistan), the Middle East (Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Iraq, Iran, Syria), North Africa (Egypt, Algeria) , Southeast Asia (Vietnam, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Sri Lanka, Cambodia), as well as Azerbaijan and Pakistan.

Armenia and Israel in this particular case, due to understandable circumstances, can be ignored, although the first has the status of a dialogue partner, and the second state has applied for observer status. And if we discuss security globally, then the choice of the SCO is again quite logical.

Moreover, the negotiations in Istanbul took place with the participation of Turkey, which has partner status in the SCO, and all this fits well together.

And it would be very nice to move the SCO summit a month and a half earlier, ahead of the conference in Switzerland.

It should also be noted that the “Global South,” which has recently become so valued in our politics, is half represented in different capacities in the SCO, and African countries will be more comfortable working in this format relative to the factor of Western sanctions pressure.

Yes, in terms of unspoken and informal statuses, we will have to take into account that the SCO is working with the Chinese leadership, but in this particular case these “tables of ranks” should be completely neglected, since otherwise we risk, after Switzerland, getting an unexpected new negotiating institution with Western influence to the same Global South. This should not be underestimated.

And even more so, if we talk about hypothetical reforms of international relations, then it is necessary to develop time-tested alternatives.
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  1. +7
    April 15 2024 04: 24
    All this fuss with negotiations has one goal - to delay the defeat of the farmers. You can’t even leave a piece of this abscess, there will be trouble later.
    1. +7
      April 15 2024 05: 01
      There is still a cart and a small cart before the “defeat”. Stories about an imminent collapse are often born in the depths of Western propaganda. Some are working on breaking through military supplies, while others are working on longer tasks. Our army is now actually in an active position, but it is advisable to treat stories about defeats and the like with some caution. There, as you can see, Western ideologists have a lot of moves in store. This hydra is cunning, unprincipled and, alas, quite far-sighted.
      1. +1
        April 15 2024 05: 35
        In terms of defeat, we actually have no other options. In what form it will be implemented and in what time frame depends on the situation. I would like it to end with the complete and unconditional surrender of the Bandera state. The story with Minsk 1 and Minsk 2, plus with the muddy Istanbul graters, showed that negotiating with the West is not a good idea.
        1. +2
          April 15 2024 05: 44
          So what you say is correct, but we live in a post-modern world. This means that the winner is the one who convinced the majority that he is the winner, and the loser is the one about whom everyone is convinced (or pretends) that he lost. In this regard, a schizophrenic picture of the world arises, where you will hang a victory flag over the Reichstag, and 2/3 of the world will work with you as if the flag was hoisted over your roof. A normal person of the old formation perceives this with difficulty, of course. To put it mildly, with difficulty. In fact, this is already the world of “information hallucinogen”.
          1. 0
            April 15 2024 10: 09
            What other “peace negotiations” are there - everyone is happy with everything. The world hegemons China and the USA are especially benefiting. They greatly increase the gap in the economic and military spheres, since the rest of the world is mired in discord.
          2. +1
            April 15 2024 15: 08
            Unfortunately, few people take this seriously...
            The leadership of Russia, in many other ways far-sighted and wise, has time and again “made a mistake” in the “world of illusions and the society of performance”... The generation is still different...
            and does not believe that these “infohallucinations” can be converted over and over again into real decisions and completely physical consequences... (
          3. 0
            April 15 2024 23: 44
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            This means that the winner is the one who convinced the majority that he is the winner, and the loser is the one about whom everyone is convinced (or pretends) that he lost.

            Well, the USA also convinced many of its new gender theory, but this still does not change the fact that there are only 2 genders. As my example shows, you can, of course, convince everyone that “black is white,” but the fact remains a fact.
            1. 0
              April 16 2024 00: 59
              If about 30% in the United States already believe that the issue of gender is “not so clear-cut,” then this is still not the worst result for ideologues.
              1. 0
                April 16 2024 01: 11
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                then this is still not the worst result for ideologists.

                But what is the real component of this “result”. When the same overwhelming majority believed that the earth was flat, but this did not affect the real shape of the earth.
                1. 0
                  April 16 2024 01: 17
                  From a management point of view, the main thing is for you to personally know what shape the earth is and that in reality there are two sexes. Then you will be able to sell your knowledge in doses and even for decent money. First, sell about 33 floors, then about 2, all good lol “In reality, everything is not as it really is,” as it seems to the classics
                  And in general, the 3D model shows that the old Earth is not even a ball, but rather a cosmic boulder
      2. +1
        April 15 2024 15: 10
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        There is still a cart and a small cart before the “defeat”

        our media and “military experts” have overheated their cheerful expectations with the daily “hurray, we are breaking, the Swedes are bending!”... every second person thinks that now we can’t stop, just a little more and...
        alas, the reality will be very sobering, but with a considerable risk that it is too late (after missed non-ideal, but “windows of opportunity”)...
        1. +1
          April 15 2024 15: 14
          So now Western media platforms have joined in. “Give me some pennies, we’re losing,” “get ready for the conference, otherwise Europe will have to wear foot wraps,” and so on. Those. The weight on our heads is already double.
    2. +3
      April 15 2024 06: 53
      I agree with you, the outskirts need to be completed to the end, I don’t understand why we have again started talking about negotiations in the press, then the question arises - why did we start ours at all? Negotiations should only be about surrender and in the place where we ourselves indicate. Otherwise, the sacrifices that Russia bears will be in vain and in the future, the armed stump of the outskirts will again threaten us!
      1. 0
        April 15 2024 23: 47
        Quote: vasyliy1
        I don’t understand why our press again started talking about negotiations

        Well, some representatives of our elite really want to return to the “holy 90s”.
  2. +3
    April 15 2024 06: 04
    What is preventing progress on the Ukrainian issue? This is, first of all, the Belovezhskaya Agreement in December 1991, according to which Ukraine received full sovereignty. This is how the West views Ukraine. “She died, so she died.” We see Ukraine as our territory. Although in 32 years it has become a stranger. Until they come to an agreement on this issue, nothing will work out.
  3. +3
    April 15 2024 07: 51
    Ukraine, remaining in any form, is a postponed war for Russian children and grandchildren. Istanbul, this was that shameful peace about which Putin said (in an interview with Carlson) that he himself did not know how Russia would implement it. Any peace signed with the Ukrainian Reich and their corrupt masters is such a bomb for the collapse of Russia, in comparison with which the “Lenin bomb” will seem like just a firecracker.
  4. +2
    April 15 2024 10: 03
    What other peace talks? Only unconditional surrender and denazification. Otherwise, the “negotiators” will cut up the remnants of Anti-Russia (formerly Ukraine) and the NATO border will pass along the Dnieper.
    1. -1
      April 15 2024 15: 05
      ...eeee? We have real (!) forces and resources to achieve this quickly enough, without ruining our economy, without flooding Ukraine with the blood of Russian soldiers, without losing the remnants of our neutral partners?
      1. -2
        April 15 2024 23: 59
        Quote: deathtiny
        without ruining your economy

        How did I get this myth about ruining the economy? SVO quickly helps our economy and this is recognized even in the West. https://topwar.ru/240451-zapadnye-jeksperty-v-nedoumenii-rssijskie-akcii-vzleteli-do-nebes.html
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 01: 01
          I would be very careful about statements from “Western experts” about how perplexed they are. They really like to play games with double and even triple bottoms in the media. The tale of “Just don’t throw me into the thorn bush” is of Western origin.
  5. 0
    April 15 2024 12: 47
    And it would be much more logical to bring the discussion of initiatives both on Ukraine and on security in general to the SCO platforms
    To summarize everything said by the author, the West has much greater opportunities than we do to spread its chatter, it is in one way or another exploiting the countries of the global South, but in response we will symmetrically chatter it up. That is, knowingly to lose.
    The correct answer must be asymmetrical.
  6. +4
    April 15 2024 13: 25
    Let's ask ourselves a question - what do WE want from a peace plan for Ukraine? Because diplomacy for the sake of diplomacy and sowing “good for the glory of the beaver” is a very vicious approach, which we have traditionally sinned in the past and, probably, chronically will continue to do.

    Will we solve the issue of militarization of Ukraine through diplomacy? No. Like Germany after the First World War, they will find ways to swindle because there will be enough territories and trained, motivated, focused people there. They will start a “national guard”, “ecological and anti-poaching squads”, “voluntary societies for the assistance of border protection”, “sports club “Lepestok”” and so on and so forth, all this will travel en masse to foreign countries and master there “on the basis of personal initiative” Western equipment, train at training grounds, establish vertical and horizontal connections. They will not spare their Kama schools in the West for this purpose. Not much time will pass and at the most inopportune moment for us this bubo will burst - we will be presented with a fait accompli, either a new war, for which they will all be very highly prepared, or a recognition that all these treaties are a waste of flesh and essences .

    Can we resolve the issue of "denazification" of Ukraine through diplomatic means? Again - no. An example is the Baltic states, which openly honor collaborating heroes and SS symbols, despite the fact that there are a lot of international papers discussing and angrily condemning such practices. They will say - why, this is OUR HISTORY, our historical memory. And all this will work in line with “well, #THIS IS OTHER.”
    Also here - the practices of odious prohibitions enter into some dissonance with “liberal values”, creating complex zones of contact in which it will be stupid to exist all . In conventional historical books, you can write about Bandera in such a way that it seems to condemn him, but at the same time convey between the lines the idea that he was a “noble cannibal”, that he acted in the spirit of the times and at night shed streams of tears, forced make great sacrifices for glory, etc.
    So they will write that local collective farmers and Svidomites will “partially deny”, but formally you can’t find fault. For every letter, we will not fight with them - because in response there will be a squeak about interference in the affairs of sovereign states.

    The list could be continued, but what I'm getting at is that we need it - all this "peaceful stuff"? The silt has already been lifted from the bottom - it might be better to use this to create a really STABLE architecture, where it will not be necessary to dig up pipes every summer and dig them up again every winter. Because we have already gone through all this bullshit - and even before the Minsk agreements. As soon as the guns fall silent, no one wants them to fire again for a while. In this silence, paper becomes dull waste paper and REAL factors reign. We will NOT have any real influence on Ukraine after the peace is signed - the ropes there have been completely cut off. So we need to think very carefully whether the “paper time” has come and whether it is necessary.
    1. +1
      April 15 2024 13: 46
      And here the question is not: “Should we or should we not?” This is not the topic of the world itself or not the world with the formation of “Ukraine”. This is a translation of the topic onto broader and longer tracks - the rules of global security. That's why Türkiye got involved in the topic of nuclear deterrence, where Russia, the USA and China traditionally graze? The fact that three states are discussing this is understandable; the number of warheads there is appropriate. And what did Türkiye forget there? Because Türkiye, on the one hand from Washington, probes the soil, on the other hand, it itself senses which way the wind is blowing. And it is blowing in the direction of discussing global security. This is a translation of the discussion of Ukraine towards an international conference, with the creation of talking rooms, the gathering of a “collective majority”, and so on. You will have to participate in this if you are talking about participation in international politics in general. It is unrealistic to leave this topic to the wind; the main thing is not to oversleep it, concentrating on Ukraine. Unfortunately, the formulation of the issue itself will not find much support among the population as a whole, and the reasons for this are clear. But here we will have to put something forward on the speaking platform. So, Istanbul is a strong topic if we talk directly about such a task, but it is very difficult for public discussion. Very much, taking into account the fact that it’s shocking from all this “business politics” and agreements.
      1. +3
        April 15 2024 14: 05
        When we brought missiles to Cuba, the United States did not put up for auction in talking shops the question of how many of our missiles “may be” there. They said there would be NO missiles here. They took the question out of the equation right away.
        We really love to trade in our near zone - this leads us into various bad poses and configurations. IMHO Ukraine should not be some kind of compromise zone for bargaining - this is our Cuba. Here we will either be extremely tough, or tomorrow there will be a petting zoo for NATO and our little hands will again be tied with more paper ropes and we will again chew and build castles in the air for internal use.
        Security conferences are magical! Amazing! But specifically THIS question we must remove from the trade zone.
        The beauty of any wall is that it has zero or near-zero flexibility. Our enemy is accustomed to the fact that our walls are made of rubber.
        1. +3
          April 15 2024 14: 16
          The USSR was just fine with coalitions. It is necessary - they held a virtual alternative Olympics, it is necessary - the capitalist vultures will be condemned. “Ecuador and Honduras are in the hearts of each of us.” I also saw the end of the action when we were walking around the school gym with posters reading “Children as Peacemakers.” In a single version, this undoubtedly looks crazy. However, if such “work collectives” and “children’s demonstrations” take place in 50 countries, then this is already a political instrument. It’s just that the leadership of the late USSR made a big top out of everything, and these children’s actions and Artek were also more of a facade. But you can use a hammer to hit the painful places, or you can hammer in nails. Here it actually becomes clear who needs the tool and why. We simply have a systemic problem in that everything is done for show. But you have to hammer in nails, and also get into the drawings.
          1. VB
            0
            April 16 2024 12: 36
            Do you believe that Lavrov, with his family and real estate behind the cordon, and the entire Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Russia, is capable of this?
    2. -1
      April 15 2024 13: 50
      all this will be massively rolled out in foreign countries
      No one will need a losing Ukraine in this very foreign country, especially since the Ukrainians will blame foreign sponsors for their defeat - not themselves? There were few sanctions, there was little help, and in general, NATO should have won the war for them (that’s why they sat in Mariupol for so long - they thought US troops were already sailing across the Atlantic). And there will no longer be anyone willing to fight among the dill; the diaspora will settle down abroad. Revenge - in the movies they take revenge bravely, but in real life, having been hit in the nose, they run away and sit quietly. Something like this.
      1. +1
        April 15 2024 14: 14
        That's what our propaganda says, but it won't happen. And the Ukrainian politician will gnaw through the rat's passages in the direction of profit, and there will be those who want to cooperate with him - using, among other things, the same British or EU states as a proxy tool. They will switch from direct massive deliveries to the development of multi-year programs that will overload their defense industry, mobile power and bureaucracy. "Kama" may well be a profitable enterprise, including in terms of long-term cutting and development. There will also be interest from chemical and biological corporations in these territories - connections will be formed and tightened, for us this will definitely not be either peaceful or profitable.
        But the instruments of our influence on this, other than the military, will be insignificant.
        1. 0
          April 15 2024 14: 21
          That's what our propaganda says
          Because I live in England, I watch Western propaganda - everyone here is tired of Ukraine, and if at the beginning there was absolute confidence that a palace coup would take place and “democratic politicians who would lead Russia along a European course” would come to the Kremlin, that is, puppets (by the way, Khodor, Chich and Sisyan , “victims of repression” have already been proposed for key positions in the new government), it is now clear that the Kremlin has survived. It’s unclear what to do next. But it is clear that Ukraine is very expensive. Defense is good, but the compact armies of European states do not need much. Chemistry in China and India.
    3. 0
      April 15 2024 23: 56
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Let's ask ourselves the question - why? WE do we want from the peace plan for Ukraine?

      Here it is more important to first ask the question: who are we?
  7. 0
    April 15 2024 15: 03
    everything sounds very logical... it’s unrealistic to outplay the “global West” on its own diplomatic field...
    The SCO is an interesting idea, but taking into account the inertia, in order to overtake Switzerland, it should have been buzzing, ringing, and promoting the day before yesterday, and now, when motivation envelopes, threatening letters, and severed fingers of hostages have already been brought to the Swiss “summit”, I think , It is too late...

    SCO-ers will nod, but shrug their shoulders dejectedly, saying, “I’ve already taken a day off for June, come back in August”... (
    1. +1
      April 15 2024 15: 11
      The SCO has some (small, but nonetheless) advantage, since it is an old organization with functioning administrative channels. Those. the exchange of information in this infrastructure will go faster than just negotiations. But how effectively they will be able to use this with our inertia is, of course, the question. Plus, here you can give some scope for Turkey.
  8. 0
    April 23 2024 21: 42
    What the hell are negotiations? - only surrender - unconditional