This is not the time to trade – Russian arms exports are falling

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This is not the time to trade – Russian arms exports are falling


SIPRI, as always, knows everything


No matter how they dramatize global military instability, the height of the Cold War is still far away. For comparison: from 1973 to 1987, the planet spent 30–40 percent more on weaponthan in the period 2017–2022. However, everything is still ahead, but it is obvious that such a sharp jump in costs is not feasible. The existing production capacity is simply not enough for this. First of all, in the West, which, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, slowly but surely reduced its military-industrial complex.

The SIPRI agency or the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute in its latest yearbook published a somewhat depressing picture of Russian exports. It’s worth mentioning right away that all the data the institute has is indirect - Russia does not disclose the true volumes of arms sales abroad. The head of Rostec, Sergei Chemezov, put it best on this matter back in 2021:



“We, like other countries, for example China, do not publish this data - it is closed. Where do they get them from? They’re just pulling it out of the park.”

But when there is no other comparative data, one has to be content with SIPRI information. Moreover, the head of state indicated the volume of Russian arms exports in 2023 at significant “billions of dollars.”

However, SIPRI does not yet have data on sales in Russia for the past year - statisticians calculated only for 2019–2022. And there is little optimism here. Compared to the previous three years, the drop in arms exports was an impressive 53 percent. The number of countries purchasing weapons from Russia has decreased no less rapidly: in 2019 – 31 states, in 2022 – 14, and in 2023 – only 12.

If the Americans take the vacant place, then later it will not be easy to unhook them from our old customers. Serious arms supplies are associated with the inclusion of consumers in the American range of services - GPS services, global data transmission and reconnaissance systems. If in conventional India they get drawn into such stories, then returning will be difficult.

The most surprising result of the SIPRI analysis was not even the drop in Russian exports, but its displacement from second place by France. Did Macron really manage to promote the defense industry so much that it jumped to second place?

Of course not - this is a temporary phenomenon. The decent growth in French exports is primarily due to sales of six submarines and twenty-six Rafales to India. They tried to go to Kazakhstan with their planes, but Astana settled on the Su-30SM for now.


Of course, the main reason for the peak in arms exports from Russia was the needs of special operations, but not only them. The country is intensively arming itself - the Moscow and Leningrad military districts are approaching, which require the most modern weapons. If anything, they will have to fight not with the Ukrainian Armed Forces, but with the NATO bloc itself.

Cautious optimism is permitted


Despite the pessimism of Swedish analysts' numerical calculations, there is no point in tearing your hair out. First, let's remember the history.

How did the weapons of one or another power become competitive in the market?

That's right, after a war or some other mess. The Soviet arms business would never have become one of the largest in the world if not for the Great Patriotic War. In its crucible, an outstanding weapons school was born, the fruits of which we still use today.

But how much military equipment did the USSR export in 1941–1945?

That's right, practically nothing.

The Americans were doubly lucky in the World War. Firstly, they were able to inflate the military-industrial complex to a state where there were enough weapons for both themselves and their allies. Secondly, no one bombed America, and there was no need to restore industry after the global massacre. But it was after the war that American weapons became in demand as never before.

Remember who needed pre-war crafts from the US defense industry?

Something similar, albeit on a much smaller scale, is now happening with the Russian defense industry. No matter how cynical it may sound, the special operation is a kind of advertising campaign for Russian weapons. An extremely expensive campaign, but very effective.

After the victory, Russia's arms exports will inevitably increase for several reasons.

The first is that entire groups of weapons that have been successfully tested at the front will become in demand on world markets.

Secondly, the cost of weapons will decrease due to the organization of mass production, which will add attractiveness to customers. Now enormous resources are being invested in the domestic military-industrial complex, many samples of equipment are being put on the assembly line, and the final cost of products is invariably reduced due to their mass production. If it is possible to maintain at least part of this dynamics in the post-war period, few people in the world will be able to compete with Russian weapons in the world.

Buyers’ priorities are unlikely to change fundamentally, but some samples will receive special attention. Air defense systems, traditionally outstanding in Russia, have confirmed their high level over the past couple of years and will not be left without orders after the SVO.

In the same way, electronic warfare systems will be snapped up like hot cakes, if, of course, Russia intends to sell them. Now the “Rabmans” of the Russian Army are faced with an enemy of unprecedented power in the person of NATO and have accumulated invaluable experience. No one has this, and in the foreseeable future there won’t be.

The Northern Military District fronts have become an excellent testing ground for unmanned systems of various classes and purposes. For example, they showed the uselessness of any Bayraktars against modern air defense and highlighted the obvious invulnerability of FPV-drones. For now, kamikaze drones are considered invulnerable, but once Russian engineers find a cure for FPV, the market effect will be unimaginable.

Perhaps it is precisely the means of combating cheap drones and will become the new Klondike in the world of arms business. And, of course, the famous UMPC (controlled planning and correction modules), which make a significant contribution to the advancement of the Russian Army to the west, will not be left without fans.

Should not be written off and Tanks, but which were given up for only a couple of years. Whatever one may say, there is nothing worse for infantry than a tank working on them. Unlike howitzers and mortars, after a tank “exit” there is no opportunity or time to hide from a shell. And the accuracy of direct fire is disproportionately higher than the area work of the rest of the artillery. This is somewhat different from the traditional path of tanks, but new conditions dictate new requirements. A renaissance awaits domestic tank builders, although it is unlikely to be associated with the Armata family of vehicles.

It is possible that Rosoboronexport will be able to allocate some of the weapons for supplies abroad even before the completion of the SVO. This is possible when industry enters the plateau phase and when the front is 100% saturated. We hope that we will not learn about this from the ubiquitous SIPRI analysts.

Russia is now objectively not in the mood for increasing arms exports. Moreover, if the flows had not decreased over the past two years, this could be called a real blasphemy. “Everything for the front! Everything for Victory! And buyers will wait.

The markets will not evaporate; on the contrary, they will only warm up. It is enough to look at the number of hot spots on the planet to understand the scale of the arms business in the present and future. Equipment made in Russia will take its rightful place here, and no France will remain in second place.
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  1. -1
    April 13 2024 04: 06
    Requiem for Russia is premature. It’s time to understand why, motherfucker, such clumsy production has developed and where the production capacities have gone, and where the highly qualified personnel will come from... Taxes cannot boost the economy, and GDP is not an indicator of success... That is why, if we manage to correct the mistakes , position:
    Equipment made in Russia will take its rightful place here, and no France will remain in second place.

    will be true.
    1. +2
      April 13 2024 06: 14
      All weapons produced by Russia are now going to our army, what kind of arms export can we talk about now? We need to defeat the outskirts with Western sponsors first, and then there will be no end to arms buyers!
      1. 0
        April 13 2024 10: 42
        Quote: vasyliy1
        All weapons produced by Russia are now going to our army; what kind of arms exports can we talk about now?


        I will support, now the entire military-industrial complex of Russia should work for the needs of the Northern Military District... all new contracts for foreign partners should be fulfilled after the end of the operation, and those that were concluded and carried out are also postponed in time... fines/penalties should not play any role here because we have priorities.
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        2. 0
          April 15 2024 15: 14
          Alexander21. (Alexander). April 13, 2024 10:42 am. New. your - "... all new contracts for foreign partners must be executed after the end of the operation, and those that were concluded and carried out are also postponed in time... fines/penalties should not play any role here... "
          I agree with the first part 100%. For now we are only working for ourselves. good
          But. there is an option.. who helped us and if they( who helped us and especially along the perimeter of the Russian Federation) KERDIK from "USA and ..." . R.Consider the issue of partial necessary MI ( for example air defense - Iran. North Korea) licensed production from THEM. Something to share with Iran.
          with North Korea and beyond.
          The question is if (God forbid) NATO allies (USA and...) take the place of those already listed. How can the situation change!? recourse belay feel
          hi
          Regarding “... fines and penalties...” in any contract there is an article about force majeure...
          For reference:

          The contract must necessarily contain a clause (section) on force majeure circumstances and exemption from liability due to them. If it is not in the document, the chances of solving the problem with the counterparty are negligible.
          ...Force majeure is mentioned in Article 401 of the Civil Code of the Russian Federation. Its name immediately determines the possible boundaries of interpretation, which is appropriate in this situation. Grounds for liability for breach of obligation.
          hi
    2. +1
      April 13 2024 14: 30
      I would like to note that there has been a significant depletion of weapons stocks in many countries.
      The Soviet weapons that we created have now been largely destroyed by ourselves... Plus, a lot of NATO weapons were burned in this war.

      So there will be demand. The main thing is that what was sold does not turn against us again!
      As Nicolas Cage used to say in the movie "Baron of Arms": "The first commandment of an arms dealer is not to be killed with his own goods." hi
      1. +3
        April 13 2024 14: 40
        Quote: RealPilot
        I would like to note that there has been a significant depletion of weapons stocks in many countries.

        So what's the point? Do you think that the European economy is not able to provide itself with the production of the necessary components? Yes, it's elementary.
        And the fact that Russia has engaged in the commercialization of weapons does not make it stronger and does not rally its brothers in arms around it.
        Some went so far as to simply abandon old ties, preferring financial security and economic freedom to sanctions...
  2. +10
    April 13 2024 04: 38
    Remember who needed pre-war crafts from the US defense industry?

    The author shows illiteracy and ignorance. Example of the T-34, development of the US Christie tank concept. American aircraft were exported to Europe by the hundreds in the 30s.
    But how much military equipment did the USSR export in 1941–1945?
    This is not to respect yourself at all.
    Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
    1. +5
      April 13 2024 05: 04
      The author shows illiteracy and ignorance.
      This is indisputable, but where are the publishing editors looking?! request
      1. +5
        April 13 2024 12: 16
        In the comments on the enchanting history of the F-35, it was suggested that the author (not Fedorov, another) is on the payroll of APshechka with the task of debilitating the military-patriotic circle, so to speak. On the one hand, such generosity of the AP is unlikely, but on the other hand, the debilitation is obvious.

        It so happened that a couple of days ago I was watching the threads after the release of “Records and Extracts”. That is, in Russia, which really existed, in which most of us lived, on the Internet they discussed the activities of Mikhail Leonovich Gasparov with Sergei Sergeevich Averintsev. Both of them were our contemporaries.

        And now we are discussing this. And our contemporary is Dmitry Anatolyevich Medvedev, trash blogger.
    2. +7
      April 13 2024 07: 16
      A plus for the author, definitely.
      Quote: Master2030
      The author shows illiteracy and ignorance. Example of the T-34, development of the US Christie tank concept.

      1. The Christie tank was never adopted by the United States. Look at the photo, it says it best.
      The USSR purchased several M1931 tanks (according to other sources, M1928) and used them in the development of BT-2, BT-5, BT-7 and T-34. It’s just that everyone was interested in wheeled tanks back then. Therefore, one of the predecessors of the T-34 was the A-20.
      2. The German troika was a good tank in the first year of the war, and let it be downvoted, it had all the characteristics, including reliability, etc. was better than the T-34.
      The head of the ABTU, Yakov Fedorenko, based on the results of studying T-III, reported to the Chairman of the Defense Committee Klim Voroshilov:

      “The tank has a successful combination of mobility and armor protection with a small combat weight - approx. 20 tons. This is supported by a good view from the crew members’ workplaces... It is necessary to introduce into the design of our new tanks the most successful solutions of the German T-III tank, such as:

      design of escape hatches;
      engine cooling circuit;
      gearbox design;
      a power supply diagram with the engine and fuel tank located behind a sealed enclosure from the team;
      commander's observation tower;
      placement of the radio station in the building.”


      The T-34 was full of childhood diseases. Our guys bought several triples before the war and were impressed with them, especially the torsion bar suspension. But before the war they did not have time to create a new version of the T-34. This is how the T-44 appeared. And then based on it the T-54 and T-55. They are still fighting.
      Quote: Master2030
      The author shows illiteracy and ignorance.

      Should I write about American planes in the 30s?
      1. +3
        April 13 2024 12: 17
        Quote: bya965
        The German troika was a good tank in the first year of the war, and let it be downvoted, it had all the characteristics, including reliability, etc. was better than the T-34.
        T-3 must be compared with T-50, T-34 is a different category.
        Quote: bya965
        But before the war they did not have time to create a new version of the T-34.
        They managed to create (T-34M), but did not put it into production.
        1. +1
          April 15 2024 01: 17
          If we compare the weight and armament, both vehicles are in the category of average. In terms of security, 34 is better, but all these advantages were offset by the disgusting working conditions of the crew and led to losses. No review, no communication, etc. The sores at 85m got rid of them, but not all of them. And why with the T-50? This is a light tank. There is no way to compare it with a three-ruble note. Loses in all positions.
          1. 0
            April 15 2024 19: 58
            Quote: Essex62
            And why with the T-50? This is a light tank. There is no way to compare it with a three-ruble note.
            Because both the T-3 and T-50 were made as a blitzkrieg tank, long-range throws, pogrom of the rear, etc. T-3 - 15.5 tons, T-50 - 13.8, the difference is small.
            Quote: Essex62
            In terms of security, 34 is better
            Until December 41, the protection was the same: anti-tank guns were not taken to the forehead, then ours realized to file forty-five rounds and they stopped splintering on the armor without penetrating.
            1. +1
              April 15 2024 20: 03
              Still, we are comparing the late troika with reinforced armor and a 5cm cannon, 60 calibers long. If the first three, then yes, it can be compared with the T-50. hi But these are completely different tanks in terms of characteristics.
      2. 0
        April 13 2024 18: 00
        Of course write. Just don't compare the Brewster Buffalo with the Me 109F
        Ceterum censeo Washingtago delendam esse
      3. +2
        April 13 2024 18: 33
        In Tsarist Russia there was no aircraft manufacturing, with the exception of a few, and aircraft engines were not produced at all. The same is with the automotive and tractor manufacturing, which was originally the basis for tank building. So there is nothing to argue about here. It was necessary to adopt experience to train qualified personnel. It's a miracle that they did something.
      4. -1
        April 15 2024 09: 40
        Quote: bya965
        “The German troika was a good tank in the first year of the war, and even if it’s downvoted, it was better than the T-34 in terms of all its characteristics, including reliability, etc.”
        Why state obvious stupidity. According to the agreement with Germany, samples of German equipment, including the T-3, were delivered to the Soviet Union. Comparative tests of the troika were carried out with new Soviet tanks. According to the commission's conclusions, the T-3 was superior to the T-34 solely in the number of surveillance devices and not significantly in speed, but only on paved roads. Your conclusions are very similar to the conclusions of a person who has played computer games
        1. +2
          April 15 2024 20: 12
          The information awareness of the crew in battle is sometimes worth more than the thickness of the armor. The troika's running capabilities on Russian roads were clearly demonstrated by numerous breakthroughs to operational depth, with high-speed marches and subsequent huge cauldrons. It is not correct to simply compare two tanks without taking them apart from the entire database complex.
          The decision not to make a copy of the three was of course correct, the T-34 is more technologically advanced and crude, but we simply could not build our own Messer. This means that the USSR received all the samples.
    3. +3
      April 13 2024 10: 59
      Quote: Master2030
      Example of the T-34, development of the US Christie tank concept.

      In fact, the Americans themselves were not interested in this tank.
      And we didn’t buy a tank, but essentially a running model.
    4. +4
      April 13 2024 12: 14
      Quote: Master2030
      Example of the T-34, development of the US Christie tank concept.
      No. You are confused with BT. There is only one suspension left on the T-34 from Christie.
    5. Alf
      +2
      April 13 2024 15: 03
      Quote: Master2030
      American aircraft were exported to Europe by the hundreds in the 30s.

      Pre-war ones were practically not exported. Those that flew into Europe are “new wave” aircraft.
  3. +1
    April 13 2024 04: 56
    “Everything for the front! Everything for Victory!” And buyers will wait.
    Yes, yes... Yes, and buyers feel So they strive, on command from the USA, to send something to Ukraine, today is our junk, and tomorrow?... request
    1. +3
      April 13 2024 08: 20
      send something to Ukraine, today our junk
      For this junk, Russia cannot offer spare parts and specialists for maintenance. But in Ukraine, apparently, there is still something left. So they collect it, from the world, bit by bit.
  4. +8
    April 13 2024 04: 59
    There are several factors that influence arms exports:
    1. Sanctions and political pressure. None of the large buyers wants to fall under them. Example: Egypt, which eventually purchased the Rafale.
    2. The emergence of new players in the market. Not only, for example, China, which sells everything from fighter jets to submarines, but also India, which, for example, sells anti-tank missile systems recourse Konkurs request to Armenia.
    3. Actually, what and to whom to sell? Solvent buyers like India and China either began to make good analogues themselves, or manufacturers from the Russian Federation do not win in their competitions, for obvious reasons.

    There remain all sorts of Kazakhstans, and only in parts not occupied by national producers and China.
    Well, don’t let the niche, beloved since the USSR, “sale of weapons to countries that pay for them with brotherly love and the fight against the hegemon,” be left empty. Then they will come to write off debts - they will plant trees...


    Serious arms supplies are associated with the inclusion of consumers in the American range of services - GPS services, global data transmission and reconnaissance systems.
    OMG. How is that? Buy P8 Poseidon and get a subscription to CIA and NSA data?

    In the same way, electronic warfare systems will be snapped up like hot cakes, if, of course, Russia intends to sell them. Now the “Rabmans” of the Russian Army are faced with an enemy of unprecedented power in the person of NATO and have accumulated invaluable experience. No one has this, and in the foreseeable future there won’t be.
    It would seem that the North Military District and the sect have been going on for 3 years"Electronic warfare of the almighty. complex "Khibiny", revealed to the destroyer Donald Cook“should have somehow dissolved. But no, the sect is still “functioning.”

    Perhaps it is the means of combating cheap drones that will become the new Klondike in the world of the arms business.
    Not a Klondike, but lasers, anti-drones, KAZ and, most importantly, MZA with AHEAD are already offered for sale. There is no Russian Federation among the sellers.

    Something similar, albeit on a much smaller scale, is now happening with the Russian defense industry. No matter how cynical it may sound, the special operation is a kind of advertising campaign for Russian weapons. An extremely expensive campaign, but very effective.
    Here the author needs to explain himself somehow. Tea, he’s not writing about the Snickers trade—it’s too much cynicism even for me.
    1. +8
      April 13 2024 12: 32
      Empty fantasies.

      The Russian military is under sanctions, and apparently will remain under them forever. That is, it will no longer be possible to buy a T-90 with a French thermal imager. For lovers of anything but American, there are many second-tier players: Israel, France, Turkey, South Korea and many others. If you are on the list of world villains, and you need an entirely non-NATO ecosystem, then the Russian Federation obviously cannot maintain its entire ecosystem. But the PRC can, so let the villains go there.

      As for the role of the SVO, what the SVO actually did was vacuum up Soviet reserves on a global scale. That is, there are fewer and fewer countries that rely on Soviet reserves and are accordingly tied to Soviet standards.

      On the other hand, the Chinese are also willing to play with NATO calibers and compatibility. So the transition to NATO standards as a single global weapons standard has accelerated sharply.

      The Soviet military is following the Soviet cosmonautics. And without that it has healed, between us. Free oil money kept her afloat for an extra 20 years.
  5. -9
    April 13 2024 05: 53
    in the West, which, after the collapse of the Soviet Union, slowly but surely reduced its military-industrial complex
    That's not entirely true here. The Soviet Union, or rather Russia, was reducing its military-industrial complex, while in the West, on the contrary, it was increasing it. Especially in the USA, where they crow the most about peace and progress
  6. +1
    April 13 2024 06: 27
    Now we’ll win and everything will be exported
    1. +2
      April 13 2024 09: 31
      Is that ALL?...I would first of all “export” irreplaceable “specialists”...Only who needs them..
  7. +6
    April 13 2024 07: 27
    Any equipment needs spare parts and specialists who service this equipment, including military equipment. And to produce spare parts, enterprises and, of course, specialists are needed. How much equipment has been repaired that is supplied to other countries? For example, India leased an underwater she “sailed” the boat and returned it back. Why? It had to be serviced, but they couldn’t provide service.
    But how much military equipment did the USSR export in 1941–1945?
    A completely wild passage. But here’s from history. When the USSR supplied weapons to Republican Spain before the war, the equipment was provided with spare parts and their production was established. The T-26 tanks, which went to the Francoists, were in service with Spain until the early 50s Also, repairs and maintenance of Soviet equipment were established in China in the 30s, when they provided assistance to Kuomintang China.
  8. +4
    April 13 2024 08: 23
    Equipment made in Russia will take its rightful place here, and no France will remain in second place.
    France supplies expensive items - submarines and aircraft. You are unlikely to displace them with drones and electronic warfare equipment. And the SVO is not helping here yet.
  9. -6
    April 13 2024 10: 42
    We need weapons ourselves now. When the war is over, we'll catch up. The advertising is excellent, while competitors have poor advertising.
  10. +7
    April 13 2024 11: 07
    After the victory, Russia's arms exports will inevitably increase for several reasons.
    The first is that entire groups of weapons that have been successfully tested at the front will become in demand on world markets.
    Secondly, the cost of weapons will decrease due to the organization of mass production, which will add attractiveness to customers.


    Before the SVO, more than half of exports in value terms were combat aircraft. For two years now our planes have not crossed the front line, Ukrainian aviation has not been destroyed, which cannot serve as an advertisement for our aviation, rather the opposite. Before the mass use of KABs began at the end of last year, VKS were practically useless (in terms of the cost of the results), helicopters also turned out to be limitedly effective.
    Ships were a significant export item; the actions of the Black Sea Fleet will serve as anti-advertising.
    Russian air defenses work well against aircraft, but still cannot completely protect Belgorod from UAVs, which is also unlikely to contribute to sales growth, especially considering that by the end of the decade several countries will adopt laser air defenses.

    Tanks, lancets and geraniums have shown themselves to be successful, but their cost is not too high. Air-launched missiles have also performed well, but to acquire them you need to have/purchase Russian aircraft.

    Thus, most likely, sales volume on the international market will not be fully restored and the longer the SVO continues, the greater the losses will be.
    In addition, after the end of the Northern Military District, military budget expenditures will inevitably decrease to the previous level: from 8 to 4% of GDP, which means difficult times await the military-industrial complex.
    1. +4
      April 13 2024 12: 40
      .Thus, it is most likely that sales volume on the international market will not be fully restored and the longer the SVO continues,

      The SVO will end, sanctions on the military service will remain. It's forever.
      Tanks, lancets and geraniums have shown themselves successfully,

      They didn't show it. In addition, the lancet is a remake of an Israeli drone, and the geranium is an Iranian one. Nothing prevents you from buying originals and not counterfeits.
      Air-launched missiles have performed well, but to acquire them you need to have/purchase Russian aircraft.

      Missiles with a range of 300+ km fall under ITAR; they cannot be bought or sold so easily. There are heaps of short-range cruise missiles on the market.
  11. -2
    April 13 2024 13: 21
    It's a question of sales. Why sell weapons? For what it is clear. -For money, or rather for currency. But will we need it after the victory? What will our new world be like?
    The question why remains. What is more important - currency or the transfer of weapons and new technologies (because no one needs old stuff) at least to competitors on our planet, and at most to potential opponents? We now see what they are fighting in Ukraine and where it came from.
    The possibility of conflict with anyone cannot be ruled out.
  12. -1
    April 13 2024 13: 37
    Are they offering to sell Russia weapons that will be used to fight against it in subsequent wars?
  13. +1
    April 13 2024 13: 42
    Well, optimism is, of course, good. But perhaps we should already now work on methods for circumventing extraterritorial sanctions with potential buyers - because even if our weapons are mega luxurious and cheap, but the Americans get the hang of “banning” those buying anything from us, there will be few buyers. When you have something to sell, it’s good, but when you have the opportunity to do it, it still matters more. It is worth working more through the BRICS and SCO architecture, concluding bilateral trade and financial agreements with potentially important markets for us, moving away from the dollar and Western financial monitoring.
    1. +1
      April 13 2024 14: 22
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      It is worth working more through the BRICS and SCO architecture, concluding bilateral trade and financial agreements with potentially important markets for us, moving away from the dollar and Western financial monitoring.

      We look:
      BRICS (short for Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa) is an interstate association, a union of nine states:
      - Brazil;
      - Russia;
      - India;
      - China;
      - South Africa;
      - UAE;
      - Iran;
      - Egypt;
      - Ethiopia.

      The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) is an international organization founded on June 15, 2001 by the leaders of China, Russia, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan and Uzbekistan.

      If someone in BRICS is interested in arms supplies, then only if there is a sufficient quantity (in accounting units) of arms at an affordable price...What kind of profit will be left for the Russian bourgeoisie?
      As for the SCO, even imagination is not enough to sort out the supplies...
      * * *
      And what’s interesting is that the Republic of Belarus is not in any union...
  14. Alf
    +2
    April 13 2024 15: 01
    Remember who needed pre-war crafts from the US defense industry?

    The Boeing P-26 was purchased by Argentina in the mid-30s. In 1942(!) Argentina once again turned to the United States with a request to sell 12 more aircraft. In the photo P-26...
    1. +2
      April 14 2024 23: 45
      The Boeing P-26 was not bought by Argentina at the specified time (it never bought them), but by Guatemala, 7 of which were decommissioned from the American army as trainers (although they were used with weapons), the latter were decommissioned in 1956.
      In the States at that time there was a ban on the sale of fighters to Latin America.
      The aircraft itself was produced in 1932-1936 in the amount of 151 units.
      Used in the Philippines and China in small quantities. At the time the United States entered the war, the American army was only in the Philippines, participated in battles with Japan, and shot down several Japanese aircraft, including several Zeros.
      1. Alf
        0
        April 14 2024 23: 50
        Yes, I got it wrong. Is there evidence that they shot down the Japanese, especially Zero?
        1. +2
          April 14 2024 23: 55
          On 15 August 1937, eight 281 aircraft from the 3rd Pursuit Group of the 17th Squadron of the Nationalist Chinese Air Force, based at Chuyun Airfield, attacked eight of twenty Mitsubishi G3M Nell medium bombers from the Kisarazu Air Group attacking Nanjing. Four Chinese fighters shot down three of the fourteen Japanese bombers destroyed that day without suffering any losses, while the remaining eleven were destroyed by Chinese Hawk IIs, Hawk IIIs, and Fiat CR.32s. [8] Subsequent battles between Chinese 281 pilots and Japanese naval Mitsubishi A5M aircraft marked the first dogfights and defeats between all-metal monoplane fighters. [9] [10] Chinese-American volunteer pilots who joined the Chinese Air Force in the mid-1930s included aces John "Buffalo" Huang and John Wong Pan-yang, both of whom successfully fought the Japanese in 281- m division. John Wong Pan-yang scored two joint kills over an A5M on September 22, 1937, and a solo kill over an A5M on October 12, 1937, over Nanjing, while in his Boeing 281.[11][12][13]

          I apologize for the clumsy machine translation.
          This is before 1941.
          But this was already in 1941, at that time the plane was hopelessly outdated, of course.
          By December 1941, the US fighter force in the Philippines consisted of 28 P-26s, 12 of which were in service with the 6th Pursuit Squadron of the Philippine Army Air Corps. [14] Captain Jesus A. Villamor and his squadron of P-26s engaged Japanese Mitsubishi A6M Zero fighters over the fields of Zablan and Batangas, and despite being outnumbered, Villamor and his squadron shot down four aircraft, one Mitsubishi G3M bomber and three aircraft Zero, two of which were destroyed by Villamor. [15] For these actions, Villamor was awarded the Distinguished Service Cross and the Oak Leaf Cluster. [16] [17]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_P-26_Peashooter
          1. Alf
            +1
            April 14 2024 23: 58
            Thank you. Yes, yes, a short comment.
  15. 0
    April 13 2024 18: 34
    Remember who needed pre-war crafts from the US defense industry?

    Why think about the content when you can come up with a biting phrase and puff out your cheeks and toss your cap.

    Well, let's start with the high-tech fleet of that time, in vain did Soviet specialists graze there..?
    maybe there was a problem with the shooter? Or is the art too backward? Are planes bad too?
    1. Alf
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      April 15 2024 18: 51
      Quote: george.old
      maybe there was a problem with the shooter?

      Did you buy ours?
      Quote: george.old
      Or is the art too backward?

      Did you buy ours?
      Quote: george.old
      Are planes bad too?

      Did you buy ours? Only Dakota.
      What tanks did we buy in the USA? Just don’t mention Christie, the US Army did not accept Christie tanks for service, and in general, the name Christie acted on the American military like a red rag on a bull.
      Quote: george.old
      Well, let's start with the high-tech fleet of that time, in vain did Soviet specialists graze there..?

      And for the naval unit, what did we buy?
      1. 0
        April 15 2024 21: 12
        And for the naval unit, what did we buy?

        did they want to sell to us?
        State limitation, nothing technically newer than 1928.
        and cooperation through Amtorg with the company Gibs is an example that even then the money was spent anyhow.
        with airplanes, and attempts to buy a license for the B-17? and US avionics engines, gasoline additives...
        1. Alf
          0
          April 15 2024 21: 30
          Quote: george.old
          and attempts to buy a license for the B-17

          When, where, who?
          Quote: george.old
          US engines

          When, where, who?
          1. 0
            April 16 2024 02: 20
            When, where, who?

            what was the M-25 called when she was a girl?
            They tried to buy a B-17 since 1937, and Boeing and the State Department agreed, but then the winter war and a “moral embargo” loomed.

            and it
            When, where, who?

            if you’re too lazy to look for it yourself, then “money in the morning, chairs in the evening”
            Proletarians and co-workers don’t have servants;)
            1. Alf
              0
              April 16 2024 20: 03
              Quote: george.old
              what was the M-25 called when she was a girl?

              Yes, I forgot about Wright.
              Quote: george.old
              they tried to buy a B-17 since 1937

              I do not believe. Having a Pe-8, buy a B-17...Where to produce it, at what plant?
              Quote: george.old
              if you’re too lazy to look for it yourself, then “money in the morning, chairs in the evening”
              Proletarians and co-workers don’t have servants;)

              Be careful not to overwork yourself.
              1. 0
                April 16 2024 22: 22
                Yes, I forgot about Wright.

                and propellers, avionics, machines
                а этот http://war-russia.info/index.php/nomenklatura-vooruzhenij/345-aviatsiya/blizhnie-frontovye-bombarbirovshchiki/1528-opytnyj-razvedchik-r-10-khai-5-1936g-2
                [quoteI don't believe it. Having a Pe-8, buy a B-17...Where to produce it, at what plant?][/quote]
                I'm not sure either, but...
                I am more surprised that the State Department did not object.
                Well, the Pe-8 was produced individually, but here if there is a license with serial production technology + machine tools, then maybe...
                Be careful not to overwork yourself.

                the horse worked harder than anyone else on the collective farm, but never became the chairman.....
                If we were permanent oponets, I would have looked for it, but I chose the perf for purchase and rejected the stepladder.
                1. Alf
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                  April 16 2024 22: 33
                  You claimed that you didn’t sell anything? Or was it not you?
                  It didn’t occur to anyone to buy a license for the Fortress for one reason - there was no plant for it. Once. Further, when thoughts about the B-17 came up, there was no serial Fortress yet, there was a pre-production model of the YB-17, and even that was in the amount of a couple of dozen. We were talking about “buy and see”, but this is a completely different story. Of all the licenses in the USA, only Catalina and Dakota were purchased. And only because of the lack of their own samples.
                  If we were permanent oponets, he would search,

                  You remind me of the aforementioned character Carbine, who had a favorite answer - Search on the Internet.
                  P.S. You definitely won’t become a chairman.
                  P.P.S. I am very glad that you bought a hammer drill; I personally think that every weak-handed man should have this thing from the age of majority.
  16. +2
    April 13 2024 20: 45
    Propaganda. Ugh.
    But in reality, economists cite figures that year after year, China comes to the arms market and is slowly replacing Russia.
    It seems that even Serbia bought Chinese air defense - analogues of our S-...., and not our complexes.
  17. -1
    April 14 2024 11: 50
    “Everything for the front! Everything for Victory! And the winner gets everything, including global arms exports.
  18. 0
    April 15 2024 14: 25
    Here, how to say...
    Firstly, war is a real advertisement for our technology.
    Secondly, this is a sharp leap in modernization and the creation of new types of equipment.
  19. 0
    April 17 2024 08: 27
    Quote: Aleksandr21
    Quote: vasyliy1
    All weapons produced by Russia are now going to our army; what kind of arms exports can we talk about now?


    I will support, now the entire military-industrial complex of Russia should work for the needs of the Northern Military District... all new contracts for foreign partners should be fulfilled after the end of the operation, and those that were concluded and carried out are also postponed in time... fines/penalties should not play any role here because we have priorities.

    In general, the way it has always been and at all times. In addition, in my opinion, it makes sense to somewhat reconsider the policy in the field of arms trade. We must understand that today’s conflict is clearly not the last and all weapons sold in any Tmutarakan can be used against Russia at any time.