“The car is comparable to a BMW, not like the ancient Volga: Germany will supply the Ukrainian Armed Forces with a new batch of Marder 1A3 infantry fighting vehicles

On March 28, the German Ministry of Defense announced an updated military assistance package, including the delivery of a new batch of Marder 1A3 infantry fighting vehicles to the Ukrainian army.

It will include 20 units of equipment of this type. Thus, the total number of Marder 1A3s transferred to the Ukrainian Armed Forces by the German side will be increased to 50 vehicles. Their deliveries continue despite the losses. So, the other day one of the infantry fighting vehicles was captured by Russian soldiers and taken to the rear, adding to the large collection of captured Western equipment.

As noted in Army Recognition, battlefield statistics indicate that at least 11 Marder 1A3 units were abandoned, destroyed or damaged by Russian forces.

It is indicated that Ukrainian military personnel left positive reviews of German infantry fighting vehicles, comparing them with their previous equipment. During training in Germany, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers equated the Marder to a BMW, contrasting it with Russian [Soviet] armored vehicles, which he called the “ancient Volga.” Apparently, the soldier actually has no idea about the Volga, its characteristics and capabilities.

The Marder 1A3's enhanced armor protection is seen as a significant advantage, providing better survivability against anti-tank weapons. weapons and other threats compared to the BMP-1/2, known for its relatively thin armor.

Comments

[Leshak]

The Fritz will never stop helping the Ukrainian Reich.

[Ganzales]

Quote: Leshak

The Fritz will never stop helping the Ukrainian Reich. On March 28, the German Ministry of Defense announced an updated military aid package,

Well, what else can I say, the granddaughter of Scholz (SS officer) takes revenge on Russia and does not hide it ..
He understands that the Russians cannot be broken, but he wants as much blood as possible... Oh, the Krauts!

[Vladimir80]

He understands that the Russians cannot be broken, but he wants as much blood as possible... Oh, the Krauts!

Rather, Scholz understands that he will not get anything for these supplies, and the non-mechanical economy can make good money by killing Russians...

[YOU]

What help is there Marder 1 in any modification is old stuff from the 80s 70s. This is not even Marder 2. The level of Mess and well, at best, BMP-2 but with huge stretches. True, there are nuances in both directions.

[LuckyBlog]

I would prefer German infantry fighting vehicles. that is, it would be better if I went into battle on a Marder than on a BMP-1,2, and better than a Lynx than a BMP-3, the BMP-3 has only one advantage - a 100mm cannon. it can work well against cover (better than a 35mm cannon), but Lynx has a KAZ, and it is better armored, and a fortified point can be dismantled with an ATGM (although yes, it is more expensive, but the ATGM hits further and the charge is more powerful). For downvoters, before downvoting, ask yourself a question - why did our soldiers decipher our infantry fighting vehicles as a mass grave of infantry? Well, and at the same time, why do our soldiers prefer to ride in armor and not in it?

[bug120560]

You can immediately see a man who has not served in the army and has never seen an infantry fighting vehicle. But just for your knowledge, an infantry fighting vehicle is not a tank, its main purpose is to prevent tanks from being separated from the infantry and not becoming a target for enemy infantry PTS. An infantry fighting vehicle is a way to cover with armor and increase the fire capabilities of those soldiers who went into battle during World War II while sitting on the engine compartments of tanks. But how infantry fighting vehicles are used within the framework of the air defense system is a separate topic.

[LuckyBlog]

here is another person who served in the army, but was there painting tires and cleaning the territory.
Even without you, I know how, when and why infantry fighting vehicles were created. and I see that the strategy of using them turned out to be unviable in modern conditions. because these are the passengers who sang during the USSR, saying that floating and the cheapest infantry fighting vehicles are needed to repeat the capture of Europe as during the Second World War. only it turned out that for some reason floating infantry fighting vehicles are waiting for pontoons to cross a stinking river 10 meters wide (this is not even the Dnieper or Danube), then it turns out that in the North Military District infantry fighting vehicles often go on the attack without tanks, but we have a Bug that convinces that BMPs come only after tanks. Then Bug learns that the BMP has been used all these years not in the war with NATO, but in local conflicts, where it did not perform at its best. in Chechnya, Syria, Iraq and other conflicts, BMP-1 and 2, this is better than nothing at all, but worse than the more expensive but sophisticated equipment of the “stupid Americans” and Europeans.
PS, I not only served in the army, but was also in the Northern Military District. and I know military equipment better than most regular military personnel, and even better than 99% of YouTube military officers

[private person]

The Fritz will never stop helping the Ukrainian Reich.

Well, this is still an excellent opportunity for them to test their equipment in real combat conditions against a strong enemy and not, as they are used to, against the Papuans or Barmalei.

[Rom8681]

Not visible at night.
It’s a pity that there aren’t sufficient quantities of NVGs

[General failure]

equated Marder to BMW

Well, bemeve is the favorite car of rear-wheel drive homosexuals. Of course, the bitches liked it

[LuckyBlog]

that is, if you were offered as a gift (that is, free of charge) a choice - either a new BMW, let’s say, a five (although the Volga is originally an executive car, the directors drove them, and the BMW executive series is a seven), or a new Volga (in I know that they don’t produce it now, but for the sake of respected people, let’s say they made a series of Volzhankas), then you will choose the Volga?

[Dedok]

and Mercedes - front-wheel drive?
so what?
I don't want to swear in the morning

[General failure]

and Mercedes - front-wheel drive?

You know better, and I’ve been suspecting something like this for a long time.

As for the homosexual essence of the Bemeve, just last year they loudly and publicly supported the leaky ones. They even repainted their round badge.

[Serhio250381]

Looks like things are really bad for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, since Europe started cutting off its own weapons

[Vladimir80]

Looks like things are really bad for the Ukrainian Armed Forces

Yeah, exactly, the “agony of the regime” (which has been going on for several years and how many years or decades will continue)

[Nastia makarova]

how much will be so much and we will wait there is no choice

[75 Sergey]

20 marders, to those 50 (39), the states promise a hundred M113s to the existing ones, they seem to have about 100 old leopards, Abramovichs, Leopards 2, English Chieftains and not counting wheeled armored vehicles.
This is not a weak offensive armored fist.
I wish I could unwind it.

[Ganzales]

Quote: 75Sergey

20 marders, to those 50 (39), the states promise a hundred M113s to the existing ones, they seem to have about 100 old leopards, Abramovichs, Leopards 2, English Chieftains and not counting wheeled armored vehicles.
This is not a weak offensive armored fist.
I wish I could unwind it.

Not bad !!! But the question is who will manage it all..Bandera’s followers are running out and there are fewer and fewer people willing to grab these coffins for leverage..The hunt for them is on and our military is very passionate!

[LuckyBlog]

They still have at least half a dozen soldiers in the ranks. They may not be in the best state of mind, but apparently they are not going to give up.

[expert]

Yes, there will be no “fist”.
They will spread the equipment all over the LBS, like butter on a piece of bread, in a thin layer.

[Nastia makarova]

hundred M113 is medical

[75 Sergey]

Their armor is not cardboard

[unhappy]

Or you can call them differently, the essence does not change. These vehicles will carry out rotation of personnel and provide material support on the front line. This is what they were designed for; these are not pickups and other jihad vehicles that are used out of desperation.

[Nastia makarova]

I agree that it would be better not to have them, but also better than 100 tanks like that year

[Fatalist]

Well, about the fact that our infantry fighting vehicles are so much inferior to this “Marder”, I would argue with this “cadet”.

[Vladimir80]

I would argue with this "cadet"

Why argue, Bandera’s members ride inside marders, and on the fraternal infantry mole - on armor....

[Fatalist]

I would argue firepower over maneuverability. And I would also argue that it would piss on more “thin” armor. And if Ukrainians ride inside, does that save them? A BMP is a BMP, nothing more, but nothing less.

[LuckyBlog]

and why are you not satisfied with the maneuverability of the Marders?
For reference, the main losses of our infantry fighting vehicles are mines and artillery fragments.
and on both counts, the Marder is much better than our BMPs, with the exception of the BMP-3, it is better protected than the BMP-1 and 2. and has a 100mm cannon as a bonus. but this is the BMP-3, but the BMP-1 and 2 are rubbish, which is of course better than nothing at all, but not much better than the American M-113 (well, yes. There is no ATGM on the M-113)

[Crimean partisan 1974]

I would argue firepower over maneuverability.

...first, look at the specific load on the ground...for a marauder it is more than one per cm 2, this cart only travels on dense soil, and Pehe doesn’t care what kind of soil it is, it is initially waterfowl, and on the banks the soil is quite not only soft, but slurry, so the pig-nosed one is enjoying himself while in Germany, at the front he is shaking like from milk with a cucumber

[LuckyBlog]

this is only during muddy times and on black soil; the rest of the time Western infantry fighting vehicles drive like crazy. cross-country ability and maneuverability are not the same thing.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

in the marders, Bandera’s members ride inside,

..that's where they die

[LuckyBlog]

alas, but no, there are a lot of videos on the Internet where pans leave a damaged car, and a whole troop landing there, I went nuts with the video where an M-113 runs into an anti-tank mine and only one pan had its foot torn off. and this is a damn armored personnel carrier, albeit a tracked one. We have tracked transport vehicles (the same BMPs 1 and 2 and Motolyga) ----- in general, I’ll return once again to the question - why are our infantry fighting vehicles deciphered as a mass grave of infantry?

[abc_alex]

Quote: Vladimir80

Why argue, Bandera’s members ride inside marders, and on the fraternal infantry mole - on armor....

Well, first of all, try to climb on it, it is 3 meters high.
And how long can we repeat this stupid fairy tale? The armor protection of Western infantry fighting vehicles on the battlefield is no greater than that of domestic ones. Ours drive on top because ANY armored vehicle is blind and deaf. Nothing is visible in it. And for ours in both Chechen and Georgian it was fundamentally important to constantly monitor the environment. Now, according to the stories of the soldiers, the BMP is almost never used as an amphibious assault vehicle, rather as a light tank. Since ANY infantry fighting vehicle is destroyed by UAVs.

[LuckyBlog]

Why are you talking nonsense?
Our infantry fighting vehicles can even get on board from Kalash, half of the lost infantry fighting vehicles were taken out by shrapnel from artillery, Western infantry fighting vehicles remain intact in the same situations. ours had one advantage for being light weight - they are floating, but you watch a video where artillery forces destroy standing equipment at crossings (on both sides, especially at the beginning of the Northern Military District) and I had a question - what the hell are pontoons on a river 10 meters wide for BMP? they are floating. and then I found out the answer - they are floating on paper. and cardboard armor remained cardboard armor.

[Crimean partisan 1974]

, and on the fraternal infantry mole - on the armor....

...mechanical drive on the armor???..original....

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Fatalist

Well, about the fact that our infantry fighting vehicles are so much inferior to this “Marder”, I would argue with this “cadet”.

There is nothing surprising in the “revelation” of that “cadet”. Ordinary fetishism.
In our country, jeans were once considered clothing for a special caste of jeans owners; they went to the theater to show off in them. Until they realized that these were just pants. Normal, strong clothes for work.
In the 90s, when their canned product came to us, it was cool to drink canned beer while snacking on canned sausages from a can. Until we tried that there was urine in one jar and paper in the other.
And remember the mummer Chechel and the ataman’s delight at the flashlight: “Baron Wrangel has everything English!”

In Ukraine now there is the same euphoria from self-hypnosis that everything Western is the best.
I would like to ask that “cadet”: “Are imported tanks fireproof and scare away all enemies with their mere appearance? Are the Bayraktars-Javelins and company not wunderwaffles anymore?”

And it will pass for them. Only many of them will no longer see this.

[Fatalist]

Somewhere around this it will be.)

[LuckyBlog]

and how many Teshki and BMP-1,2 and Western Leopards with Abrams and Marders in Bradleys were lost?
I am aware that the pots have many times less Western equipment than our old ones, but let’s take it as a percentage - the news has shown many times how much equipment was supplied from the Warsaw Pact countries and how much Western equipment, and then the result is that almost all the equipment of our type was lost, Western equipment was lost 20-30%. and most importantly, how many crews died on Western equipment, and how many died on our type of equipment.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: LuckyBlog

and how many Teshki and BMP-1,2 and Western Leopards with Abrams and Marders in Bradleys were lost?

You answered your own question

Quote: LuckyBlog

I am aware that Western technology for pots is several times less than our old one

There would be more than our old one - and the losses would be greater. It’s not my fault that as many Abramovichs they rolled out, they lost as many.

[LuckyBlog]

What I mean is that, in percentage terms, the losses of Western equipment are less than ours, and if they replace all of our equipment with Western ones, then their losses of equipment will decrease.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: LuckyBlog

if we replace all our equipment with Western ones, then their equipment losses will decrease

This is a conversation from the series “Who is stronger - a whale or an elephant?” Ukrainians also think that Western technology is so good and wonderful that we would never burn so many of their tanks.
I will disappoint both you and them - they would have been burned. It doesn't matter to a drone or an RPG, an armored personnel carrier or an M113, a Soviet tank or a Challenger.

Another fetishism before the Western - and nothing more. As I said above, jeans and beer have already passed, now they are praying for Western equipment.
Let them pray.
Before talking about the invincibility of the same tanks, compare the T-34 and the same "Tiger". Who is more powerful one on one head on? Who won?
Everything else is theorizing that has nothing to do with the real war.

Let me remind you that for the West, the war must be profitable, so that the robbery resulting from the war will cover the investments in the war. For us, only Victory is always important, and its price is the tenth thing... It has been like this for centuries and now is no exception.

[LuckyBlog]

ah, well, then we urgently need to sell all our modern tanks while they cost good money and start production of the T-34, they are cheap, which means that since there is no difference between the T-34 and the Armata, then why pay more? familiar words . This is exactly how Shoiga justified the purchase of junk instead of new equipment.
It will be necessary to sell all the Su-3kh and Su-57, and buy maize workers with them. an anti-aircraft missile also has no distinction as a Su-57 or F-22 or Yak-3 or a plywood biplane. and this, in Iraq, there was a case when their infantry fighting vehicle withstood 7 hits from an RPG (it had DZ and the RPGs were not tandem, not a single penetration). But you will boldly sit down as a landing party BMP-1, 2, when they will make fun of it from large artillery (not a direct hit, but shrapnel), some people do not understand the words, and only when they themselves find themselves in a situation where they feel the difference on their own skin between cardboard armor and more or less normal equipment, they will stop talking nonsense. especially about the T-34 and the Tiger, because NATO has more Abrams and Leo2s with Leclercs than we have left, T-72,80 and 90. If there had been more Tigers than T-34s in WWII, I’m afraid there would have been a victory parade in Berlin.

[YanniKounnar]

BMW ou Volga les deux brûlent très bien, d'accord moins bien que certaine Porche aux USA

[Fatalist]

Listen up, Haters, or whatever they call you on the internet. Just turn it down to zero and calm down. No, I’m constantly pointing cons here at Chhal’s “shoulder straps” along with my own. What a rundelik the once powerful military technical site has become.

[Good Evil]

Maybe they downvote it because they have an opinion that doesn’t coincide with yours? So get used to it. Besides, maybe you really are wrong about something? Can you imagine this?

[Fatalist]

You see, I can not only imagine it, but I even realize it, unlike them. And, judging by their pitiful and cowardly minuses, without discussion or criticism, I can only put forward two versions: either I’m a lunatic or they’re all from the moon.

[Fatalist]

And you see, colleague, the point is not in the minuses themselves, but in the way they take words or expressions out of context and begin to abuse them. I already went through this, a long time ago, when I just registered for VO, where I was probably 10/12 years ago. And I certainly know what I’m talking about.

[LuckyBlog]

Yes, and the site is filled with people like you. I also remember this site in those days (this is not my first account, several previous ones were blocked for criticizing our army. And as practice has shown, I was absolutely right. Unlike the bastards who are all in the eyes of God's dew, while with their feet or other parts bodies will not pay for their views; nothing can convince them, including you)

[Fatalist]

Darling, where have you been? These are the kind of talkers that need to be thrown overboard, critics like you who know nothing about technology or weapons. Listen to the clown talker, on this site there has never been an article about technology or weapons or equipment. And here we discussed performance characteristics and all sorts of speed. You critics were despised.

[LuckyBlog]

I know the technology very well, and what’s more, I’ve seen its use in the Northern Military District, but I hate the YouTube military officers who yell for any reason more than the pots, at least the pots don’t hide the fact that they are enemies, and the YouTube warriors cover up the bastards in the Defense Ministry with their grunts which then equips our fighters with equipment that is worse than it could be.
After all, it won’t be YouTube soldiers who will be burning in tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, they will be drinking beer in their warm armchairs and yelling “we will beat you all down”, “let’s take Birlin ischo ras if panadabizza.” and then because of mandalays like these, our guys pay with their lives and health.

[aksleks]

The fatalist is right. Gone are the days when serious comments were left on VO. “Today” is usually kindergarten opinions.

[alystan]

Alexander, are you probably more of a “reader” than a “writer”?
In the 6 years that you have been on the site, you have left only 99 comments.
Your answer to me will probably be “anniversary”?

[aksleks]

Quote: alystan

Alexander, are you probably more of a “reader” than a “writer”?
In the 6 years that you have been on the site, you have left only 99 comments.
Your answer to me will probably be “anniversary”?

Does this bother you? I often go on business trips)). And it’s more interesting to know other people’s opinions than to brag about your own. Good luck with your opus writing.

[alystan]

You probably thought that I was joking (well, the word was invented by young people)?
But I was actually interested in your “title” on the site, but it turned out that you simply rarely write comments. So I noticed this.
I apologize if I accidentally offended you. I didn’t draw a parallel with the famous joke.

[alystan]

Do you still find time to read? Oh well...
And discuss and condemn others too.

[Good Evil]

Quote: aksleks

The fatalist is right. Gone are the days when serious comments were left on VO. “Today” is usually kindergarten opinions.

I agree with you 100%! Maybe that’s why many serious and interesting forum users left the site? And the predominant people are screamers and shouters, poking around with their not always smart statements, but at the same time rapidly rising in rank!
And as for the minuses - God bless them!
It's a shame about the site. Degenerates.

[Clone]

Quote: Vladimir80

in marders, Bandera’s members ride inside, and on the fraternal infantry mole - on armor....

And the armor protection here is completely sideways... But only those who have actually “riden” both on armor and inside an “iron box”, from which nothing can be seen or heard, will understand this.
Our soldiers prefer to be “aware of events” and react to them accordingly, while our “non-brothers” are trying to study and fight according to NATO standards and, naturally, inside a foreign tin can... otherwise they will suddenly be deprived of bonuses and benefits.

[opuonmed]

Unfortunately, the trains and railway junctions were not destroyed by the Kyiv regime near the border with the EU, and the skies over Ukraine were not captured.

[Nastia makarova]

If you look at all your posts, you write about this in every topic))))

[alystan]

During training in Germany, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers equated the Marder to a BMW, contrasting it with Russian [Soviet] armored vehicles, which he called the “ancient Volga.”

Well, in the header it was necessary to indicate that this was the authorship of Selyuk.
And then I, like many probably, thought that the author was imagining this?

[Reader 2013]

Great comments, very informative.
VO, you can see the photo from the inside, the control panel, it’s interesting, let the pros explain the differences from our technology, and not be stupid bullshit

[alystan]

Well, since the Reader asks, we’ll write it.
But it wouldn’t hurt for the reader himself to also use the keyboard for its intended purpose.

[Reader 2013]

Thanks, great
.................

[alystan]

The Marder 1A3's enhanced armor protection is seen as a significant advantage, providing better survivability against anti-tank weapons and other threats compared to the BMP-1/2, which is known for its relatively thin armor.

Even its armor is unlikely to withstand modern (and not so modern) anti-tank weapons.
In addition to this “plus”, there is also a “minus” - the weight of the machine itself.
With weak own weapons.

[LuckyBlog]

Western equipment protects against shrapnel and small arms fire better than ours.

[opposite28]

It is indicated that Ukrainian military personnel left positive reviews of German infantry fighting vehicles, comparing them with their previous equipment. During training in Germany, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers equated the Marder to a BMW, contrasting it with Russian [Soviet] armored vehicles, which he called the “ancient Volga.” Apparently, the soldier actually has no idea about the Volga, its characteristics and capabilities.

So it depends on who is following which river and where they are going. Mother will protect the Volga from trouble, and when necessary, the BMW will take the ram, fortunately the safety margin allows. And then BMW ended with the E34 model, maximum E39 of which there are more than a lot of “unbroken, unpainted” ones from the Baltic states in the vastness of Russia, not to mention the fact that the so-called matrix of the car is pretty much spoiled by all sorts of Caucasians from Chechnya and Dagestan who don’t really know how to drive. And the BMW brand itself is far from ambiguous, for example, the engines of German bombers during the Great Patriotic War were branded BMW. For a Russian person, a domestically produced car, preferably a new one. The main idea of ​​BMW is the so-called war with Mercedes-Benz and Audi (formerly Auto Union), not to mention Volkswagen, but why do we need someone else’s war?!

[LuckyBlog]

and if our BMP-2 and the German Marder or mattress Bradley collide head-on, who will suffer more?

[opposite28]

and if our BMP-2 and the German Marder or mattress Bradley collide head-on, who will suffer more?

The idiot who dreams of this.

[LuckyBlog]

So will there be an answer to the question, or do gentlemen not answer awkward questions?

[opposite28]

During training in Germany, one of the Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers equated the Marder to a BMW, contrasting it with Russian [Soviet] armored vehicles, which he called the “ancient Volga.” Apparently, the soldier actually has no idea about the Volga, its characteristics and capabilities.

Considering that most of the lost Marder infantry fighting vehicles remained at the bottom in plowing, it is not surprising that BMW clubs, together with Mercedes from Ukraine, brought their country to the trenches with trenches and remained there. And BMW and Mersedes-Benz have gone into dismantling for many, not to mention the Audiists with their original mechanical fuel injection system and cable-based system for protecting the driver from the engine in the event of a frontal collision. So in Ukraine, BMP 1/2/3 is just right, not to mention the series of tanks of the T-62/72/80/90 models, plus modifications for each version depending on the year of manufacture.

[abc_alex]

Increased armor protection is seen as a significant advantage, providing better survivability against anti-tank weapons

What protection does a devil have? The armor penetration of the Chrysanthemum missile is more than a meter of homogeneous armor. And “more” is not by two millimeters, but by many centimeters. It penetrates tanks right through under a fortunate combination of circumstances. And all other Soviet/Russian ATGMs have similar armor penetration parameters. Even the relatively weak barreled ATGMs of our tanks will easily penetrate 600 millimeters of homogeneous armor.
Marder 1A3 is armored to a maximum of 30 mm.

[LuckyBlog]

The main losses of infantry fighting vehicles come from large-caliber artillery shells. therefore, even pans ridiculed French light tanks. They were not beaten with Chrysanthemums, but with artillery.
and Western infantry fighting vehicles protect against shrapnel and small arms fire many times better than ours (except for the BMP-3, where the armor will be better).

[nightwolf1991]

and Western infantry fighting vehicles protect against shrapnel and rifle fire many times better than ours

where do they protect better? If they had defended better, they wouldn’t have had such losses among infantry fighting vehicles

[LuckyBlog]

They have such losses of infantry fighting vehicles because they have our infantry fighting vehicles, but they lose Bradleys and Marders from PTS. There are a lot of photos online where both Bradley and Marder were literally cut by shrapnel, large ones at that, and they withstood them all. in fact, their Bradleys and Marders turned out to be stronger than the AMX-10 French, which is like a tank. and NATO now also has Pumas with Links, which will be even better, and besides this, they are already starting to install KAZ on their equipment, our Shoiga can only talk about the next test of the Arena, which has probably already passed all the tests for the fifth time and will go into series and after a couple of years it undergoes testing again and is ready to go into production. In a couple of years, it will undergo tests again in order to be ready to go into production.

[nightwolf1991]

Be so kind, a photo of all your words about the durability of NATO infantry fighting vehicles, otherwise something can only be believed through the heel. And if they are so good, why didn’t Bradley and Marder move further than Rabotino? And something is not visible on their sides of the installed KAZ systems! Even Israel does not have it on all Merkavas. Even before 2010, the Americans installed similar systems on their strikers, but somehow they are not visible!

[sdivt]

Quote: Fatalist

once powerful military technical site

The site has recently moved from the military-technical category to the review-political category.
And, thanks to the efforts of a good half of the authors (and readers), it does not stop there, rapidly moving into the category of jingoistic publications.

[avdkrd]

I want to understand the title. Where are BMW and Volga compared? What models, for what year?
When there is no real success, they compare soft with warm. .
Marder is a very interesting vehicle, especially if you look at it abstractly and, of course, do not compare it with the BMP 1.
In the initial comparison, it seems like BMP 1 is worse, but there are nuances..... However, BMP 1 is better, there is no point in talking about BMP 3 at all, it just loves Marder in all respects. However, the Marder is made on the basis of the Leopard 1. If anything, it was inferior in armor to the T55, and like the BMP1 nude of the current Marder.
You can only compare comparable things. The difference in approach and problems in the tactical use of unfamiliar equipment, and most importantly, equipment not intended for SA tactics, is a fiasco for the Ukrovermacht.
At the moment, Marder is just a hemorrhoid. It is heavy, difficult to repair, and at the same time does not provide any advantage in tactics.

[nightwolf1991]

“The car is comparable to a BMW, not like the ancient Volga”

Our Volga will outlive this entire German menagerie for another hundred years

[nightwolf1991]

The Marder 1A3's enhanced armor protection is seen as a significant advantage, providing better survivability against anti-tank weapons and other threats compared to the BMP-1/2, which is known for its relatively thin armor.

What kind of survivability is there?????? RPG on the side, which infantry fighting vehicle should he write off? Hans's hyped car. Is the toad still pressing for the Second World War? We guys need to hoist the victory banner over the Reichstag for the second time, so that they won’t be embarrassed. Look, he crowed like a boar, he called the German woman BMW, and called ours the old Volga. In a month or two, at best, Volga himself will be asked to get in touch to surrender in order to surrender.