State Duma deputy: dozens of weapons, including Saiga, were registered in the arsenal of the private security company guarding Crocus

State Duma deputy Alexander Khinshtein, who heads the parliamentary committee on information technology and communications, published information about a private company that was involved in the security of the Crocus City Hall near Moscow. We are talking about the private security company Crocus Profi, which, according to the deputy, is armed with dozens of units of various weapons, including, no less, Saiga-20KV service rifles. This is a smooth-bore weapon, the handling of which is given to all security guards of private security companies that use it.

Also, as Alexander Khinshtein reports, the registered arsenal of the said private security company included IZH-71 pistols - the same ones that are very similar in appearance to the Makarov.

If these weapons were in the arsenal of the security organization, then why in this case was it reported that “the guards were not armed”?

Here is a quote from Alexander Khinshtein:

This entire arsenal is stored in the building next door to Crocus (Krasnogorsk, Mezhdunarodnaya, 6), but the guards were on duty without it.

As the deputy writes, in the same building there is a base of the private security company’s rapid response group, which (the group) is obliged to arrive on site in emergency cases. But it didn’t arrive... Alexander Khinshtein writes that this group “did not go to Crocus City Hall” itself.
According to Khinshtein, this private security company “guards” another 16 objects.

Comments

[BAT-MENT]

In the same building there is a fully staffed police department, it seems! Cowards should be tried in a place with terrorists. Local security may not have weapons. But the GBR was obliged to leave, they should also have bulletproof vests with them! The security guards mostly go to earn money; no one is ready to fight terrorists.

[The black]

Even more questions for Agalarov... does the Prosecutor General’s Office still not see any violations?
The Agalarovs drove the Crocus in an interesting way, a fire service for show, a quick response service also for show and without weapons, the family in Russia was not bad

[ramzay21]

Should private security companies fight terrorists? And what were the police officers doing in the next building, armed with real AKSU assault rifles and real PM pistols? Why did the riot police travel for an hour, even though their headquarters is very close? Is this cowardice, betrayal, or following the orders of those who cover up terrorists?

[carpenter]

Quote: ramzay21

Should private security companies fight terrorists? What were the police officers doing in the next building?

So what is a private security company needed for, to “row” money, they get more money than policemen, why does the country need them?

[ramzay21]

So what is a private security company needed for, to “row” money, they get more money than policemen, why does the country need them?

The country does not pay private security companies; business owners pay them and they perform the tasks assigned by their owners. They can scare away hooligans, catch thieves, and ensure order in shopping centers, but terrorists must be dealt with by people who are trained and appropriately armed and equipped, that is, at least the police.

[carpenter]

Quote: ramzay21

The country does not pay private security companies; business owners pay them and they perform the tasks assigned by their owners.

I understand that this is a “sharaga” that can work “on ours and on yours.”
But the state has zero benefit from it, and maybe even worse.

[Lako]

Everything is left to private businesses and it seems that this activity is not controlled in any way. In Belarus, even if shopping centers have their own security, there is still an emergency call system for a special unit, security, and police. And they go to apprehend a shoplifter in bulletproof vests and with a machine gun. After the terrorist attack in the Moscow region, riot police with machine guns are now on duty in major shopping centers in Minsk.

[Ulum]

You understood correctly, which is why the state has limited the activities of private security companies as much as possible, including in the area of ​​using service weapons, special equipment and physical force. So there is no need to complain to them. Questions for the Ministry of Internal Affairs and our heroic National Guard.

[already a Muscovite]

Private security guards wear a "uniform" similar to a military uniform, and people count on them as responsible people vested with power. And what's the outcome? Ban them from wearing a uniform that even remotely resembles a military one. Let them wear a rooster outfit, and their service will earn his respect. But these private security guards disgrace both the uniform and the entire service class.

[solar]

as responsible people, imbued with power

they have no power

And so these private security companies dishonor the uniform and the entire service class.

they are not servicemen

[already a Muscovite]

How come there isn't? And who's responsible for order? In your opinion, no one, it turns out. Come in, do whatever you want, take whatever you want? Is that so? I hope you've verified this from your own experience?

[Garris199]

What kind of outfit could be invented then for the police, who did not fulfill their duties and, by all appearances, did not even intend to fulfill them?

[ramzay21]

Members of the private security company wear a “uniform” similar to a military uniform and people count on them as responsible people in authority.

The private security guards do not and cannot have any power, they cannot use violence, because in our country, as in any other country, the state has a monopoly on the use of violence and ONLY civil servants, that is, the police and the Russian National Guard, have the right to shoot to kill terrorists.
If we allow this to private security officers who carry out the orders of the owner, we will get hundreds of private armies in an already thoroughly rotten and corrupt state with strong signs of feudalism.

[already a Muscovite]

You are not right .

Guards have the right to use firearms in the following cases:
1. to repel an attack when his own life is in immediate danger
2. to repel a group or armed attack on protected property
3. to warn (with a shot in the air) of the intention to use a weapon, as well as to give an alarm signal or call for help.

[odisey3000]

Dear. Yes, you wrote correctly, but in life you have seen what kind of contingent goes to security structures from themselves, the grief of the guards must be defended. The problem with adequate personnel at the moment is very acute in all private security forces in the country, and you are talking about weapons. Who should they give it to? That .

[Ulum]

For those who are clueless, I repeat, the security guard is limited in the use of weapons and special equipment. The uniform and insignia do not copy the uniform of the armed forces and law enforcement agencies. Stop sputtering if this is not the topic of the question.

[already a Muscovite]

Answer me, a dumbass, if the private security guards in Crocus had firearms, would they not have had the right to use them in the situation that happened? Just yes or no? Did they have the right or not?

Well, and about the uniform... A uniform is a uniform, even without insignia. Private security guards don't serve in ball gowns. If you splash, it's okay... you'll wash up extra. It's useful.

[The black]

Should private security companies fight terrorists? What were the police officers doing in the next building?

Yes, I agree... and we need to ask them... it is clear that the security problem is much deeper and it cannot be solved in a month, a year, two.... there are a lot of questions... but all these questions have one thing in common - they are all to power......

[carpenter]

Quote: Black

Yes, I agree...and we need to ask them...it’s clear that the security problem is much deeper and cannot be solved in a month, a year, two..

And you can’t solve it with private security companies, they are useless.

[The black]

You can’t solve it with private security companies, they are useless

I agree 100%....

[private person]

And you can’t solve it with private security companies, they are useless.

Well, they could have had a shootout with the attackers and there would have been more victims. This is not special forces, but a private security company.

[BABAY22]

I do not agree at all.
The terrorists walked and shot at everything that moved, and the people ran away from them and hid. And how could an armed guard do harm in this situation by taking out his IZH? I definitely could have wounded one or two. And there were only four of them. Four!
In general, what does it feel like (for the same security guard) to hide behind a chair and see that an armed bandit is heading towards you to kill you. And the only weapon you have is a chair...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: BABAY22

I do not agree at all.
The terrorists walked and shot at everything that moved, and the people ran away from them and hid. And how could an armed guard do harm in this situation by taking out his IZH? I definitely could have wounded one or two. And there were only four of them. Four!
In general, what does it feel like (for the same security guard) to hide behind a chair and see that an armed bandit is heading towards you to kill you. And the only weapon you have is a chair...

Read the law on private security companies and on weapons in places of public events.
It would never occur to anyone to issue a service weapon at a mass event. Especially if you are sane and know the laws.
In our country, only law enforcement agencies have the right to violence and the use of weapons.

[BABAY22]

I read it. Federal Law 2487-1 art. 18.
"Use of weapons."
I have already written below.
It turns out that security does not have the right to use weapons to protect people. Only for the protection of yourself and the protected property.
How's that?
Maybe I didn't read it right?

[Ulum]

Well, you see. That's exactly what you read. So what questions might there be for the private security company?

[JD1979]

Quote: SovAr238A

In our country, only law enforcement agencies have the right to violence and the use of weapons.

They have the right, but for some reason criminals and terrorists take advantage of it.

[Good Evil]

Quote: private person

Well, if they had arranged a shootout with the attackers, there would have been more casualties. This is not special forces, but a private security company.

Why do they need weapons then, if they can’t be trusted to use weapons? Let them then walk around with spray cans!

[private person]

Why do they need weapons then, if they can’t be trusted to use weapons?

This is to protect the owner when he goes to negotiations with the same one. In short, for show off.

[Ulum]

You are completely off topic. Private security guards, in accordance with the law, do not have the right to act as a bodyguard

[Ulum]

All questions to the state. Those guards who have a permit for weapons (6th category) undergo training and wield weapons no worse than PPS officers. The problem is that they are very limited by law in matters of using weapons.

[dmi.pris1]

And who are they? Security..Ah! Definitely a private shop!

[Thompson]

Short-chop is SECURITY and not protection

[dmi.pris1]

How is Security different from Protection? So that nothing is stolen? Then it’s watchmen

[Thompson]

Below I wrote that these are watchmen.
And there is

[Thompson]

Below or above I wrote that these are watchmen.
And there is
True, the watchman also guards, but security is different from security.

[private person]

How is Security different from Protection? So that nothing is stolen? Then it’s watchmen

Straight to the point, these are watchmen, they guard the property of their employer.

[Nikolay310]

A month, a year, two... 2000 years have passed since 23,5... And you still have a month, a year...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: ramzay21

Should private security companies fight terrorists? What were the police officers doing in the next building?

So what is a private security company needed for, to “row” money, they get more money than policemen, why does the country need them?

Read the law on private security companies first.

[carpenter]

Quote: SovAr238A

Read the law on private security companies first.

I read it, but you read it and think that this is bullshit - “a private paramilitary company”, who is it for? For you or for the moneybags.
Dude, turn on your brain - it's "private", but it's not for you.
We have companies, but for the company where I work, but there are 5 of us, and we are just VOkhR, or just watchmen, but without a baton and weapons.
And "people" with screw cutters and a pistol, that's!!!
So I was not born and live in Russia, but 200 meters from it.

[Ulum]

Don't confuse wet with hot. A private security company is not a PMC. There are no legally operating PMCs in our country.

[fruc]

carpenter
So what is a private security company needed for, to “row” money?

Absolutely true, if you also consider who is at the head of these same private security companies. This is not a secret - former and retired high-ranking employees of the same Russian Guard and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, who are supervised and controlled by the same Russian Guard. It turns out to be a vicious circle. Only ordinary security officers receive little money. If the hard workers of these private security companies are replaced by ordinary watchmen and watchmen, then nothing will change.

[carpenter]

Quote: frruc

If the hard workers of these private security companies are replaced by ordinary watchmen and watchmen, then nothing will change.

Let me put it another way - The private security company has replaced the cops! I am a watchman, or a guard, or in English "office manager". Wow, how it sounds!
There’s not even a baton.

[Thompson]

So it’s the watchmen and watchmen who just forced the sign to be changed and have more money for licensing for it

[old rats]

You contemptuously call people who are obliged to protect you "policemen". All of them, without distinction.
And then you become indignant that they are in no hurry to save you.

[Thompson]

But suddenly, the first one will shout: police, police, help

[Ivan№One]

This is understandable.

So where were the police from the station in the same building? And from another branch in the next one?

[Dormidontych]

You don't know. Police officers have higher salaries than private security companies. Yes, plus all sorts of benefits, and even an early pension.

[BAT-MENT]

Well, that's what I'm talking about. If it's true that the entire police department in Crocus was fully armed, why are they keeping quiet about it? How so? It's still not clear how shotguns can counter automatic weapons. Although even the French special forces use the Saiga! If security is posted in every shopping mall now, everyone should be issued with at least an AKMSU or a Vityaz!

[the most important]

If security is now posted in every shopping center, everything must be issued to at least AKMSU
Even if you put tanks there, it won't solve the problem. The problem can only be solved by eliminating the reasons for the possibility of terrorist attacks, in this case it's the mess with migration.

[Zenn]

The problem can only be solved by eliminating the reasons for the possibility of terrorist attacks, in this case it is a mess with migration.

It's a mess with migration, that's true.
But for sure, in advance there was a “casting” of objects suitable for a terrorist attack, that is, those where the security was the least capable.
Security is always divided along the perimeters, the outside car cannot drive up to the entrance, the parking lot is separated from the entrance, they must get out of the car and walk to the entrance.
Cars that can drive to the entrance pass through a barrier and along a path fenced with concrete blocks.
The barrier can be knocked down if you are in an armored car, and a simple car may well be damaged by a collision. A broken barrier is already an emergency, grounds for the immediate deployment of the RRT to the scene of the incident.
Then the car has to leave the scene of the terrorist attack, again a barrier, a narrow path fenced with concrete blocks, all this takes time, and is it possible to drive along a narrow path made of blocks if you are all on adrenaline? And also the RRT is already approaching, probably an armed guard in a booth at the barriers.
The measures are, by and large, mere pennies, but the terrorists would not have been able to drive up and leave the scene of the crime so calmly.
So the owner of the property, in my opinion, did not take proper security measures.
And the fact that the Prosecutor General’s Office does not see any security violations, in my opinion, is grounds for checking the employees of the Prosecutor General’s Office.

[Essex62]

So it is possible to agree to the need to “check” those who appointed the Prosecutor General’s Office. Don't rock the galley. The rowers feel sick.

[spirit]

What is cowardice

Most likely, this is the same banal story as at the front. No one wanted to take responsibility (then they will knock on the cap), everything should be decided by the big guys at the head of the vertical, so they decided for an hour while the crocus was burning. A vertical where a couple of people decide, she like this

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

The riot police took an hour to arrive because of our general sloppiness. This is Moscow - the war is far away, the terrorist attacks have long been forgotten, and there was no information about the attack, or it was very late!

[Poplar]

From the riot police base to Crocus it is a 5-minute drive. 5 minutes for the duty group to jump into the car. 10 minutes after the command to leave, riot police were supposed to be on site. But there is another time period: the time of receiving information and making a decision. It turns out that this segment is about an hour. This is not carelessness, I don’t even know what to call it. Perhaps it's the system.

[Nastia makarova]

5 minutes this is a police station and not riot police, he was far away

[Poplar]

Madam, the riot police base is located in Strogino - 5 minutes by car.

[Thompson]

Leave your fantasies to your family.
You are very far from this topic.
Moreover, he himself admitted that you are also a goofball

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Show me the ruler, distance measurer!
Before you get rude, try to understand what I wrote, although what am I talking about...

[Poplar]

Do you know how to use a ruler yourself? I changed it especially for you using Yandex maps: 3 km 300 m in a straight line. Along the way, of course, there will be a little more, but not much.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

I was right in my assumptions about your understanding of the text. You are talking about meters and centimeters, and I am talking about a topic that I am far from...

You are probably a ranger - a special forces soldier, you have definitely been through all the hot spots, I guessed right, admit it? Or, at the very least, an officer-instructor for combat training with the SOBR, right?
You are very perceptive and immediately determined that I am a dreamer and very far from the topic. If you were there, these terrorists would not have even taken a step!

[Poplar]

Dear, you are talking about some kind of blizzard. Where did you see in my comments that I called you a dreamer, far from the topic.
You wrote that this is carelessness. And I answered you that, apparently, the problem is in the system. I wrote about time and distance to illustrate that it was technically possible to arrive much faster.
Regarding understanding the text: Please, delve into the meaning of what is written yourself, do not rush to bang on the keyboard with a feeling of wounded pride.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

Sergey, in this situation it is quite an answer. I admit, we didn't quite understand each other. I shake hands, no questions!

I just recently spoke with someone who was extremely cautious in his answers, but with bold hints that, like, "we've been there before," "he's a soldier," well, he didn't pay attention to his emotions...

[Poplar]

It's good that we understood each other. Shake your hand.

[Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira]

"......According to information provided by the chairman of the Investigative Committee, Alexander Bastrykin, the investigation was able to establish the sequence of events of the terrorist attack at Crocus City Hall. According to him, the shooters entered the building at 19:58 and left the concert venue at 20:11. .."

[fruc]

ramzay21
Should private security companies fight terrorists?

And private security companies too. To do this, the post must be equipped with at least a “panic button”, but was there one? If there was, then why didn’t they take advantage of it when the shooting started on the street. The arrival time of the Russian Guard response team should ensure the timely implementation of measures. Moreover, this is not Mukhosransk, but the capital, Moscow. And let the competent authorities sort out the weapons of the private security company and the work procedure of the facility’s security officers.

[Garris199]

It seems that the competent authorities no longer exist, or their competence is expressed only in protecting the state from its citizens.

[wladimirjankov]

Why did the riot police drive for an hour, although its headquarters, the Russian National Guard, is nearby?

There are many questions here. For example, how could it be that after the warning from the US secret services about terrorist attacks being prepared in Moscow at places of mass events, no one in the government, the State Duma, the FSB, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Russian Guard, or any of our other numerous security services even scratched their heads or took any preventive security measures in advance. The information from the Americans was simply ignored. Why, even in wartime, do our standards for holding mass events still not include requirements for their protection by state security services and their provision of security? Wasn't Dubrovka, Beslan, Budyonnovsk enough for us? And it is really unclear why our services took such an inadmissibly long time to respond to signals received after the attack, did not intercept the terrorists in Krasnogorsk, but stopped and detained them only in the Bryansk region, 1000 km from Moscow.

[solar]

For example, how could it turn out that after a warning from the US secret services about terrorist attacks being prepared in Moscow at places of mass events, no one in the government, nor in the State Duma, nor in the FSB, nor the Ministry of Internal Affairs, nor the National Guard, nor our other numerous security services even scratched their head and did not take any precautionary safety measures in advance.

But this is not a secret.
It was announced at the highest level that the American warnings were a provocation. That’s why no one took any measures. Who wants accusations that they allegedly played along with the Americans?
https://www.interfax.ru/russia/951234

[RUSICH]

Quote: ramzay21

And what were the police officers doing in the next building, armed with real AKSU assault rifles and real PM pistols? Why did the riot police travel for an hour, even though their headquarters is very close? Is this cowardice, betrayal, or following the orders of those who cover up terrorists?

What can we talk about if Kolokoltsev himself arrived 3 hours later...

[ramzay21]

Even more questions for Agalarov...

What about the Agalarovs? They make money in our country, our country is a food source for them, but this is not news for a long time!

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: ramzay21

What about the Agalarovs? They make money in our country, our country is a food source for them

And not only for them

[Victorio]

Quote: Black

fire for show,

===
regarding fire safety in the center near Podolyaki, this topic was raised on the tg channel

[Anadyrean]

The main thing is that it is smooth on paper, and everything corresponds to the text. In practice, no one cared.

[Machito]

Quote: Black

Even more questions for Agalarov... does the Prosecutor General’s Office still not see any violations?
The Agalarovs drove the Crocus in an interesting way, a fire service for show, a quick response service also for show and without weapons, the family in Russia was not bad

The Crocus City building is probably equipped with a video surveillance system, which is displayed on the monitors of the central security post.
Why didn't the security at the central post notice the terrorists?
Why didn't the security call the rapid response team and the police from the neighboring building?
Are the guards connected to terrorists?

[Sobol]

Quote: Black

Even more questions for Agalarov... does the Prosecutor General’s Office still not see any violations?
The Agalarovs drove the Crocus in an interesting way, a fire service for show, a quick response service also for show and without weapons, the family in Russia was not bad

I'll add. Judging by the way it was blazing, the materials used during construction were not the ones that should be used.

[kapitan92]

Quote: Black

Even more questions for Agalarov... does the Prosecutor General’s Office still not see any violations?
The Agalarovs drove the Crocus in an interesting way, a fire service for show, a quick response service also for show and without weapons, the family in Russia was not bad

You raise a very interesting topic!
Agalarov in the recent past to the governor of Moscow. Region He opened the door for Gromov with his foot, I think he continued these habits with Vorobyov.
There are a lot of questions for him. It is not for nothing that after the terrorist attack all the shopping malls in Moscow and the Moscow region that belonged to the family were immediately closed.
There are such corruption connections with our bureaucrats - mother, don’t worry.
Let's start with security, which was not there, just as there were no alarm or warning systems.
To the floor km in a straight line Government building Moscow. Region There are a couple of PPS crews constantly on the site, and the Agalarovsky chop shop is not far away.

The Tajiks shot in the parterre and the mezzanine, which caused the "roof" to catch fire, and it flared up loudly and immediately. They didn't have "bumblebees", just like they didn't have "flies". What did they use to set fire to several places at once, where the fire alarm was and what materials the cladding and the dome itself were made of. The fire spread like lightning, judging by the video from the TV!
But dozens of visitors suffocated and died under the rubble!
I am sure that we will never know the truth on these issues raised.
Alas.....

[SHOPPING MALL]

About 30 years ago, a security guard with a Saiga was just not at every gas station, but then the screws were tightened very tightly, now they have very serious restrictions on traveling with weapons, and even more so on their use. When I wanted an alarm for my dacha, the private security company directly said - it will work, we will come to the site, but we have no more authority. Only private security, and she has an hour to go...

[Rhino]

Guys, security officers are divided into ranks - 4th rank handcuffs stick, 5th is added a traumatic weapon, 6th has the right to use service weapons Saiga and IZH-71, this weapon is assigned to him and a permit is issued RSL in which a photo, last name, first name, model, weapon number, he passes shooting every year, the boss does not have the right to issue an employee a service weapon with 4th and 5th rank, in places of mass gathering of people, a security guard does not have the right to be on duty with a service weapon, a maximum of a baton and handcuffs. A security guard with 6th rank should be paid more, therefore in security agencies 90 percent are 4th rank, I suspect that at the entrance there were guards with 4th rank and they are not allowed to have weapons under any circumstances.

[old rats]

The owner of the center said that they were generally “controllers.”
That is, as I understand it, they did not have security guard status (as well as a license)...

[smershxnumx]

If these weapons were in the arsenal of the security organization, then why in this case was it reported that “the guards were not armed”?

Because it is prohibited to have weapons at public events. Just in case. But, as it turns out, there are all sorts of cases...

[Viktor Sergeev]

Body armor against AKM at point blank range? You are funny. It’s easier to cover yourself with paper, the same effect. The attack lasted several minutes, security, as I understood, was immediately posted at the entrance, they didn’t even have time to utter a word, most likely there wasn’t even a signal to the police. Leave on what grounds? Keep a psychic on staff? Well, if we left, it would take at least 5 minutes, by that time the terrorists would no longer have patrol officers, they would all be released. How nice it must be to be smart after the event.
The only defense against a terrorist attack: prevention at the preparation stage.

[BAT-MENT]

Write to Khinshtein...

[Dormidontych]

What kind of money to earn, don’t tell me. Here, from today's vacancies: from 1 to 800 rubles per shift. Work in two days. That is, 2-000 tr. per month, minus taxes. In Moscow, of course, there are more, but it’s also more expensive to live there...

[victor50]

Most of the guards there are from the regions. You can pay them less - anyway, if they are not happy, they will agree. They come on watch.

[Scientist_]

If these weapons were in the arsenal of the security organization, then why in this case was it reported that “the guards were not armed”?

Weapons in the arsenal and weapons in the hands are not the same thing.

[DenVB]

Quote from Scientist

Weapons in the arsenal and weapons in the hands are not the same thing.

Yes, we need to find out what the GBR was actually armed with, from which many expect a daring entry into battle with five machine gunners.

[BAT-MENT]

So that’s the question, automatic weapons are not allowed. Will Saiga stop machine gunners? At a short distance, of course, yes, but what if the battle distance is longer? The crocus is so huge. Here you either need machine guns or submachine guns. That they will now be handed over to the guards?

[DenVB]

Quote: BAT-MENT

Here you either need machine guns or submachine guns. What will the security be given out now?

Hardly.

[BAT-MENT]

So what is the point of armed guards if they are outgunned by the attackers?

[DenVB]

Quote: BAT-MENT

So what is the point of armed guards if they are outgunned by the attackers?

Well, private security companies sometimes have internecine squabbles. Redistributions of the security services market. It’s stupid to come to the disassembly with a gas canister.

[BAT-MENT]

A shotgun then is just the thing!

[DenVB]

Quote: BAT-MENT

A shotgun then is just the thing!

A drained Degtyarev machine gun is also nice to have. How can the enemy know what if it shoots?

[Blackbeard]

Saiga is not only 12 gauge, but also 5.45, + there was hardly any targeted shooting at a distance of over 100m. And civilian weapons are not as bad as they seem. Yes, even if the guards were armed with pistols, they could at least do something (as they say, sell themselves at a higher price), but since they are punching bags, why do they need weapons at all if they are not armed?

[old rats]

You are of course right, but you see, this is all the so-called “security theater”.
It is needed to reassure society and create the appearance of control, the appearance of a safe environment.
Even if you arm your guards as "heavy" and dress them in assault gear, terrorists will find a way to carry out a terrorist attack. The security, figuratively speaking, has one road, the scoundrels have hundreds of them.
Only painstaking operational work gives results in such cases. And that’s not 100%.
Considering that the Ministry of Internal Affairs has recently been so broken that it is not able to effectively carry out operational work in the field of countering extremism, it is carried out mainly by the office of the “big brothers”. Well, when the “big brothers” don’t pull it out, they give whipping boys to the not very smart ones - the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
So it goes...

[victor50]

Some guard the body of the owner (owner). Here they are armed.

[Ulum]

Saiga cal. 5.45 never existed in nature. There is Saiga 410. But it is a real slug, private security companies get rid of them. Private security companies do not use rifled weapons. By law, only smoothbore.

[Incvizitor]

If there were about a hundred armored guards there and even with a short barrel, five terrorists would have no chance.

[Ulum]

Will you personally pay all hundred 6th grade security guards?

[Incvizitor]

Well, there are poor people there who run the crocus, it’s a shabby scumbag with an area of ​​100 meters, where does the money come from to pay for it?

[Viktor Sergeev]

Moreover, well, if they had, say, machine guns behind them, so what? Suddenly, several people with AKM run in and the machine gunner doesn’t even have time to understand. Well, an armed person will not stand for hours in a state of readiness to use weapons. It’s just that instead of the corpses of guards there would be corpses with weapons in holsters.

[Million]

The owner of Crocus should be checked for involvement in the terrorist attack.
By the way, what about insurance?

[carpenter]

Quote: Million

The owner of Crocus should be checked for involvement in the terrorist attack.

But producer Prigozhin is very concerned that his friends have lost their businesses, but there are no condolences for those killed, and his wife, singer Valeria, is concerned about where they can perform now.
They are non-Russians.

[BAT-MENT]

So where they benefit is their homeland!

[carpenter]

Quote: BAT-MENT

So where they benefit is their homeland!

They don’t yell against Russia like Galkin, but they do the same thing, for them the main money is money, and they root for their “cellmates.”

[BAT-MENT]

They are simply smarter than Galkin!

[Viktor Sergeev]

Maybe stop talking nonsense? Terrorist attacks are usually not included in insurance.

[carpenter]

According to Khinshtein, this private security company “guards” another 16 objects.

Well, these are the private security companies, but they don’t work, and are they needed at all? Maybe it’s time to think about it.

[Ulum]

You don't need it, business needs it.

[tralflot1832]

Something is not entirely clear about this weapon. It seems to be there, but in fact it is not. Here we have to delve into the jungle of laws on private security companies.

[carpenter]

Quote: tralflot1832

Something is not entirely clear about this weapon. It seems to be there, but in fact it is not. Here we have to delve into the jungle of laws on private security companies.

Here again is the question about private security companies, why should they have weapons, even in the Baltics, only clubs, but not weapons.

[Victorio]

Quote: carpenter

in the Baltic states

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The city municipal police works well there. Strong guys with guns in cars. Constant patrolling.

[carpenter]

Quote: Victorio

The city municipal police work well there. strong guys with weapons in cars. constant patrolling.

Well, that’s what I’m talking about, I live there and see it. It’s easier for me to press a button for the municipalities, and they will arrive quickly, 5 minutes maximum.

[Victorio]

Quote: carpenter

I live there and see

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left in December. here. Krasnodar region, I see the police only at their building. freedom, people smoke and drink without restrictions, cars are parked everywhere, music from cars is on full blast at any time. overall fun.

[carpenter]

Quote: Victorio

cars are parked everywhere, music from cars is at full capacity at any time. generally fun

Even in the Baltic states, this is not possible. It's time to understand that this is not the same world as it was 20 years ago.

[Commissar77]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: Victorio

cars are parked everywhere, music from cars is at full capacity at any time. generally fun

Even in the Baltic states, this is not possible. It's time to understand that this is not the same world as it was 20 years ago.

Baltic extinctions, as they say on our forum. Why do you live there? They don't like Russians there.

[Ivan№One]

Yeah, in Russia they really love it
Lol

[carpenter]

Quote: Military Commissar77

Why do you live there? They don't like Russians there.

So I was born in Narva during the Soviet Union, and no one else is waiting for us anywhere, we turned out to be superfluous.

[Victorio]

Quote: carpenter

Even in the Baltic states,

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I wouldn't say that everything is as it should be there. In the summer, every time my son and I returned from the beach, we would collect a bag of trash that had been thrown here and there.

[YanniKounnar]

La ou je me trouve ce so t des sociétés privées qui garde un site 'sensible' elles sont armées mais seulement dans jn premier temps avec des pistolets 9mm

[carpenter]

Quote from Yanni Kounnar

La ou je me trouve ce so t des sociétés privées qui garde un site 'sensible' elles sont t armées mais seulement dans jn premier temps avec des pistolets 9mm

Security should be handled by the police and security forces, but not by private organizations.

[fif21]

Quote: tralflot1832

Here you have to get into the jungle of laws on private security companies.

Read the new law on weapons from January 25, 24. Security of mass events with weapons is permitted by private security companies, but there are reservations and nuances. Responsibility lies with the organizers of the event. Security with weapons is one price, with special means another. And also - Ramadan is a holiday for Muslims! But why does everyone think that the values ​​of ordinary Muslims and radicals are the same? In the morning (on the same day) in Kabul, a suicide bomber carried out a terrorist attack in a mosque. For radical Islamists, a traditional admirer of Islam is also a "giaour" (infidel).

[carpenter]

Quote: fif21

. Security of public events with weapons is permitted by private security companies, but there are reservations and nuances.

I can’t understand, a private office and with weapons, this is nonsense.

[fif21]

Quote: carpenter

I can’t understand, a private office and with weapons, this is nonsense.

Is it normal for PMCs with tanks?

[carpenter]

Quote: fif21

Is it normal for PMCs with tanks?

I understand PMCs with batons.

[Commissar77]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: fif21

. Security of public events with weapons is permitted by private security companies, but there are reservations and nuances.

I can’t understand, a private office and with weapons, this is nonsense.

PMC Wagner

[old rats]

Well, firstly, it’s easier to get a 4th category security guard’s certificate (does not have the right to carry weapons, only special equipment) than a 6th category (has the right to serve with weapons), accordingly, in order to avoid personnel shortages, private security companies deploy unarmed people wherever possible (4th) category.
And cheaper, by the way.
And smarter organizations call similar positions “controllers”; in this case, a license is not needed, and the person carrying out security and detective activities does not face liability for “exceeding authority.” In case something happens.
By the way, I think that if you give each guard a gun, the number of deaths from this measure will exceed in a year the number of deaths in the crocus (misuse, crossbow, careless handling, attacks for the purpose of taking possession, loss with subsequent entry into the criminal environment) .
Among the guards there are different people.
So... well...

[Scientist_]

(group) is obliged to arrive on site in emergency cases. But didn't arrive

And another one and a half kilometers from Crocus are the buildings of the Moscow Regional Duma and the regional government. And there are probably a lot of heavily armed security forces there and nearby. It took them 10 minutes to get to Crocus. But they didn't come.

[carpenter]

Quote from Scientist

It took them 10 minutes to get to Crocus. But they didn't come.

The question is “did you want to go”? Let the FSB sort it out. There are many unanswered questions when Central Asians have the status of “untouchables” in Russia.

[tralflot1832]

Carpenter. In Russia there is a law (order) on the protection of public facilities adopted by the Government of the Russian Federation with regulations. Don’t talk nonsense.

[tolancop]

And another one and a half kilometers from Crocus are the buildings of the Moscow Regional Duma and the regional government. And there are probably a lot of heavily armed security forces there and nearby. It took them 10 minutes to get to Crocus. But they didn't come

Should they? In fact, these security forces have THEIR security object, for which they are RESPONSIBLE. Abandoning YOUR post, rushing off to no one knows where and why... Well, well... And pulling out the guards from an object of interest, creating a mess nearby is a classic of the genre.

[DenVB]

Quote: tolancop

In fact, these security forces have THEIR security object, for which they are RESPONSIBLE. Abandon YOUR post, rushing off to who knows where and why...

It was not for nothing that during the war the Germans preferred to attack at the junctions between our divisions or even armies. They knew very well that each division would pretend that this did not concern it - let its neighbor take the rap.

[Ivan№One]

But these were not Germans or divisions.
In one place, thousands of people are being killed and no one can fight back.
In another there are empty buildings, as it is evening
YES, not everything is so obvious
Aha

Well, there the she-wolf general said that Kolokoltsev himself “arrived immediately” - after 2,5 hours, it seems

[carpenter]

Quote: tolancop

Abandon YOUR post, rushing off to no one knows where and why..

Well, yes, the “hut” of the parasite oligarch needs to be protected, but 6500 people don’t care about protecting. Who are you security people?

[Ivan№One]

Yea Yea
Late Friday evening, all the deputies and others were probably in the regional Duma building - they work around the clock for the benefit of citizens

[Commissar77]

Quote from Scientist

(group) is obliged to arrive on site in emergency cases. But didn't arrive

And another one and a half kilometers from Crocus are the buildings of the Moscow Regional Duma and the regional government. And there are probably a lot of heavily armed security forces there and nearby. It took them 10 minutes to get to Crocus. But they didn't come.

Well, if the Tajiks tried to take the regional administration by storm, then the security forces, armed to the teeth as you say, would repulse them. And so...

[Incvizitor]

In general, the handsome guards have no weapons, no, that’s the way it should be, they still kept the doors closed. The question is who are the biggest terrorists.

[DenVB]

Quote: Incvizitor

In general, the handsome guards have no weapons, no, that’s the way it should be, they still kept the doors closed.

And if the emergency doors were open, then at each door it would be necessary to keep at least two more guards armed with machine guns so that the terrorists would not break in.

[Nikolay310]

This means that it is necessary to develop a system where people can, in case of an emergency, open evacuation doors THEMSELVES from the inside (in parallel with the possibility of unlocking such doors from the central security point)... Some kind of emergency buttons or something. In the age of technology, anything can be invented, if there is a desire... And if for the state citizens are only a tool for enriching the “respected” Agalarovs, then they will then find suffocated mothers on the stairs, hugging their children for the last time...

And from TV screens, hypocrites tell tales about demography...

[Ulum]

Absolutely agree. Only the requirements of anti-terrorism conflict with the requirements of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. Some demand that everything be closed, others that everything be open.

[carpenter]

Quote: Incvizitor

In general, the handsome guards have no weapons, no, that’s the way it should be, they still kept the doors closed.

Although everyone knew that as many as 6500 spectators would come to the concert. This is professional suitability, or assistants to terrorists. (expressed incorrectly, but nothing else comes to mind).
Well, ban me then, let me answer for everything.

[tralflot1832]

I work at almost such a facility; there would be no problems with evacuation if there were no terrorists with machine guns. All closed doors are opened without panic by administrators and security guards (how and with what is opened is information not for free access) Not a single facility in the world is not designed for this. The Twins in New York were ready for anything - except planes in the front.

[Nikolay310]

If it weren't for the terrorists with machine guns, people would have calmly exited through the main entrance...

Don't go crazy...

[Ivan№One]

You better quit there soon with that approach.
This one is not yours

The emergency evacuation system should work specifically in an emergency situation

[pawn]

Well, they probably got lost - why the hell interfere, they have wives, let it sort itself out somehow. These are not Wagnerians.

[Ulum]

I found someone to use as an example.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

All of these private security officers must be held accountable for failure to perform their official duties resulting in the death of two or more persons.

"Criminal Code of the Russian Federation" from 13.06.1996 N 63-ФЗ (ed. From 14.02.2024)

Yes, everyone who reads this and feels that he has “balls” has the right to write a statement to the court about criminal prosecution.

[Adrey]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

All these security guards it is necessary to hold accountable for failure to perform their official duties resulting in the death of two or more persons.

But what about the “sovereign people” who were within a radius of 1.5 km and did not scratch themselves even for an hour? These are their DIRECT job responsibilities.
And with regard to private security companies, we still need to see whether they are required by contract to counter terrorists

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

If this is an armed guard and has a firearm at his disposal, then yes. Required. Firearms, permits for them are not issued in order to shoot hares in the forest. Namely, to prevent the commission of a crime against a protected object and protected persons. It is a direct duty to use it against armed persons of a protected object.

As for officials, yes... They are also subject to responsibility.

But it will be difficult to attract them. They will motivate you with the arrival time according to the standards, traffic jams and other palmistry. And again, they will refer to “unverified information.”

Chop was obliged to take the blow with the firearm.

[Adrey]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

As for officials, yes... They are also subject to responsibility.
But it will be difficult to attract them.

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Chop was obliged to take the blow with the firearm.

Did I understand correctly that we will punish those we can reach?

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

Andrew,

only to the guilty ones who can be reached. It's up to the culprits.

Create an initiative group, calculate the reaction time according to the regulations, request billing of calls to the police.

There is every opportunity to achieve this. It's in your hands.

[Adrey]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Create an initiative group, calculate the reaction time according to the regulations, request billing of calls to the police.

There is every opportunity to achieve this. It's in your hands.

Why are you shifting everything onto me? From “that opera” - “self-isolation, self-medication, self-education.” In our country there are a LOT of departments and people working there who, according to their OFFICIAL RESPONSIBILITIES, must do this ..

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Chop was obliged to take the blow with the firearm.

He is not obliged to do anything that is not within the scope specified in the contract. Do not confuse “sovereign people” and “private owners”. Even if something is spelled out in the contract, employees will be responsible within the framework of their employment contract to the company, and that in turn will be responsible to the contractor within the framework of the concluded agreement.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

Andrey, I’m not putting anything on you.

But the very concept of a security organization that has received a permit for firearms implies security with these weapons.

This is precisely the degree of guilt that is provided for in accordance with the article of the Criminal Code.

If you are not Russian, the offer to create a group is wrong.

I am not a resident of Russia. And not even the CIS. I'm just very worried about the deaths of children. When this happens, it's always the adults' fault.

And don't give a damn about the employment contract. The 15-year-old boy had no duty to save.

Therefore, I beg you not to talk like “not a good guy.”

Fear God.

[Adrey]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

But the very concept of a security organization that has received a permit for firearms implies security with these weapons.

This is precisely the degree of guilt that is provided for in accordance with the article of the Criminal Code.

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

I am not a resident of Russia. And not even the CIS.

Then it’s better to take the trouble to study the legislation of the country where you propose to perform certain actions. And then make suggestions. We have enough empty noise of our own

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

1. Crime under Art. 125 of the Criminal Code, is committed exclusively through inaction, which is expressed in the deliberate abandonment without help of a person who is in a condition dangerous to life and health and is deprived of the opportunity to take measures for self-preservation.

[fif21]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

But the very concept of a security organization that has received a permit for firearms implies security with these weapons.

Yes! If these are the requirements of the event organizer. Therefore, any whim, for your money.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

Cowardice and meanness - a whim for your money? How much money does it take to protect a child being removed before your eyes?

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

Cowardice - are you saying that the contract should stipulate that rescuing the child being removed is part of the duty? What if it is not covered by the contract?

[fif21]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Cowardice - are you saying that the contract should stipulate that rescuing the child being removed is part of the duty? What if it is not covered by the contract?

You are a lucky person, you can afford emotions. Therefore, I will skip your insult and rudeness. Yes! The realities of life in the Russian Federation are such that any work by private companies is performed under a contract (under your contract). And if the private security company does not fulfill the terms of the contract, then it will be held accountable for this.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

It was not my intention to offend. A very emotional person who loves children, respects women and the elderly.

Just an hour ago I read on another site:
A man beat an elderly 73-year-old woman in a supermarket.
Man, dear and respected - where were the men in this supermarket?
Has everyone really lost their shit out of fear? Or is it normal to beat grandmothers in supermarkets? Are there NO contracts in the brains of Russian men?

According to this private security company, he has a violation under two articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.

And also, there is such a concept - I am a man, protection and support for the weak. And there is a doormat.

I beg you, do not convince me that in Russia there are no men capable of feats without a contract.

I have a very high opinion of Russia. I fought here with officials, fought with Russophobes, and on such a site you talk to me about contracts when they came to kill the children of Russia!!!!!

Please don't.

[fif21]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

I beg you, do not convince me that in Russia there are no men capable of feats without a contract.

I think that taking responsibility for people's lives, having a rubber truncheon and a gas canister, is already a feat. The guards are killed first. And the guy who took advantage of the fact that the animal ran out of bullets and took away his machine gun, isn't he worthy of respect? Our strength is in TRUTH, whoever is guilty will answer. There are organizers, there are perpetrators, there are accomplices, there are sponsors of what happened. And there is no forgiveness for them.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

1. Crime under Art. 125 of the Criminal Code, is committed exclusively through inaction, which is expressed in the deliberate abandonment without help of a person who is in a condition dangerous to life and health and is deprived of the opportunity to take measures for self-preservation.

[victor50]

Are you deliberately omitting part of the text or due to misunderstanding?
This one: “if the culprit had the opportunity to provide assistance to this person and was obliged to take care of him or he himself put him in a condition dangerous to life or health.”
Whether any of the unarmed guards were able to help anyone remains to be seen. Everything else cannot apply to them.
In general, your speech looks very much like an intention to insult, and also like a provocation.

[vvnab]

Private security is PROHIBITED from using firearms in crowded places! (Law of the Russian Federation "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation" Art. 18)

[DenVB]

Quote from vvnab

Private security is PROHIBITED from using firearms in crowded places!

Well, this alone clears up all claims against the private security company.

[Blackbeard]

Well, police officers are also not allowed to be in a crowd: “A police officer does not have the right to use firearms in a large gathering of citizens if random persons may be harmed as a result of its use.” (according to the police law in article 23), if you do not take into account the nuances

[BABAY22]

I didn't understand something.
This very Article 18 allows the use of weapons in the event of a threat to the security guard himself or to the protected PROPERTY.
And nothing is said at all about protecting people. That is, the Tajiks could go and shoot people without causing harm to the protected PROPERTY, and the guard could only try to persuade him to stop this disgrace....

I don’t understand who wrote this Law? Who is author?

[fif21]

Quote from vvnab

Private security is PROHIBITED from using firearms in crowded places! (Law of the Russian Federation "On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation" Art. 18)

I thought so too, but there have been changes. Read the "Law on Weapons in the Russian Federation" as amended on 25.01. 24g, Art. 24, if I'm not mistaken. This is where it says PROHIBITED....... but with the exception of national clothing.....

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Adrey

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

As for officials, yes... They are also subject to responsibility.
But it will be difficult to attract them.

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Chop was obliged to take the blow with the firearm.

Did I understand correctly that we will punish those we can reach?

He's drinking....
Don't ask him.
The security officer crushed his leg with five marks.

[JÜRGEN WEGNER]

I don’t go to “five-room” clubs.
And I don't drink either. Apparently I communicate with accomplices of terrorists. If this is the case, no one is to blame. The children have themselves to blame. Right?

[fif21]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

I don’t go to “five-room” clubs.

But in vain!

[Victorio]

Quote: fif21

But in vain! lol

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yeah, it's expensive.

[fif21]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

And I don't drink either.

Not our man at all.

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

Apparently I communicate with accomplices of terrorists.

And again I didn’t guess! You communicate with people who know how to hide their pain, but have a good memory.

[Nikolay310]

I would say who is not afraid to kick... After all, a faceless private security company is more convenient to kick than the toothy departments of Kolokoltsev and Zolotov

[DenVB]

Quote: Nikolay310

I would say who is not afraid to kick... After all, a faceless private security company is more convenient to kick than the toothy departments of Kolokoltsev and Zolotov

Kolokoltsev’s department is no longer toothy. Last year, his last special unit, the Thunder squads, was taken away from him.

[Ulum]

Naturally. Did you think Agalarov and Zolotov would be accused? The last one will be some kind of guard from the province.

[rafat]

I think that in emergency cases they should open those same locked doors and organize the evacuation of people in an emergency situation in every possible way. Look how the boys showed themselves, but there are no heroes among these uncles.

[Commissar77]

Quote: Adrey

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

All these security guards it is necessary to hold accountable for failure to perform their official duties resulting in the death of two or more persons.

But what about the “sovereign people” who were within a radius of 1.5 km and did not scratch themselves even for an hour? These are their DIRECT job responsibilities.
And with regard to private security companies, we still need to see whether they are required by contract to counter terrorists

“The sovereign’s people” defend the sovereign. Did the Emperor plan to go to Crocus for a concert? No? Well then, what are the questions?

[Angry_Soviet_Zionist]

...Killed by terrorists, of course, too?..

[gabs]

Weapons are prohibited at public events. According to the GBR, the question is - where was she?

[phrases]

A tank of noodles has already been launched into the ears about external enemies, but not a word about serving and protecting organs. Where were they, what did they do during... The girl Chop will be given the boot, bribes are smooth there.

[Commissar77]

Quote: Phrases

A tank of noodles has already been launched into the ears about external enemies, but not a word about serving and protecting organs. Where were they, what did they do during... The girl Chop will be given the boot, bribes are smooth there.

Blame it all on the Americans and their mongrels, you won’t go wrong.

[bone1]

If an organization has a weapon, this does not mean at all that an employee working as a janitor in a store walks around with a gun

[fif21]

Quote: Bone1

If an organization has a weapon, this does not mean at all that an employee working as a janitor in a store walks around with a gun

Here a group of “comrades” decided to throw a fit, don’t give in to provocations.

[Ivan№One]

“If a police department is located in the same building, this does not mean at all that the employees working there will engage in battle with terrorists” - apparently you wanted to say this too?

[B-15]

Quote: ramzay21

Why did the riot police travel for an hour, even though their headquarters is very close?

Where did you get such information?
After 22 minutes, which is really a lot, SOBR was in place. But it was Friday and there were a lot of cars on the Moscow Ring Road.

[phrases]

SOBR was in place and waving handkerchiefs after the terrorists who had calmly fled, who were not at all bothered by the many cars on the Moscow Ring Road... And the spectators generally walk around without a bagpipe in their pocket... There were no lawyers, everything will be explained.

[Neo-9947]

But if at least every 10th man had a bagpipe in his pocket, then these freaks would be put right there.
And it’s even more likely that, knowing this situation, they wouldn’t have gone there.
============
Now, of course, witnesses to the kitchen showdown will come running and explain that firearms cannot be sold for free...
Fine. Let's go gradually.
We will allow retired military personnel, judges, prosecutors, other security officials, and other “trusted” people to wear them. And let all potential terrorists know about this.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Neo-9947

But if at least every 10th man had a bagpipe in his pocket, then these freaks would be put right there.
And it’s even more likely that, knowing this situation, they wouldn’t have gone there.
============
Now, of course, witnesses to the kitchen showdown will come running and explain that firearms cannot be sold for free...
Fine. Let's go gradually.
We will allow retired military personnel, judges, prosecutors, other security officials, and other “trusted” people to wear them. And let all potential terrorists know about this.

Let's remember Evsyukov. Shot 9 people in the store.

[Neo-9947]

Oh!
Witnesses have come forward!
Well, Evsyukov. And what about Evsyukov? Did he legally own the gun as suggested? Did he undergo re-certification and medical examination for the right to legally own a weapon?
Or is he just a criminal with an illegal gun, of which there are quite a few running around Russia? And from which it is proposed to defend, since the state is not able to provide security. This is impossible in principle, we are not the USSR.

[Victorio]

Quote: SovAr238A

Let's remember Evsyukov. Shot 9 people in the store.

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and if one of those shot by Yevsyukov also had a gun? and that tragic incident would not have happened

[DenVB]

Quote: Neo-9947

But if at least every 10th man had a bagpipe in his pocket, then these freaks would be put right there.

But if at the Zenit-Spartak match every 10th man had a bagpipe in his pocket... Many freaks would have been put right there... Oh, many...

[BABAY22]

Tell them the exact time of arrival so that it becomes clear whether they arrived on time or in time for a shashoshny analysis.

[B-15]

And it’s clear that it’s too late.
Let's say that the terrorists entered at 19:55. They left after 18 minutes, officials said.
Accordingly, after 22 minutes there was no one left to catch there.
The only thing I would like to clarify is what is the SOBR standard for the departure of duty shifts?
Location of SOBR in Strogino. If the road is empty, drive no more than 7-8 minutes. Let's add 5 minutes to traffic jams.
Well, the signal about the attack came, say, at 19:59. 4 more minutes.
Approval for travel in combat gear. ??? minutes.
The SOBR took XX minutes to leave. Let's say 5 minutes.
Here you have 22 minutes.
All that remains is to add. They didn’t know the car’s license plate number or make when the SOBR arrived. If the Moscow Ring Road had been blocked, there could have been more casualties. And so they were taken in a deserted place.

[opposite28]

Here is a quote from Alexander Khinshtein:

This entire arsenal is stored in the building next door to Crocus (Krasnogorsk, Mezhdunarodnaya, 6), but the guards were on duty without it.

As the deputy writes, in the same building there is a base of the private security company’s rapid response group, which (the group) is obliged to arrive on site in emergency cases. But it didn’t arrive... Alexander Khinshtein writes that this group “did not go to Crocus City Hall” itself.
According to Khinshtein, this private security company “guards” another 16 objects.

And it’s high time to restore order among private security companies. How many private security companies like this are there in the country?! Looking forward to the next "crocus"?!

[Fatalist]

Oh, these "private security companies"! We need to be tougher with these private offices - legalized mafia for taking money. The level is ridiculous - below the baseboard. Damn, the guys on the collective farms who guarded the towers were even more respectable. A simple security guard, he’s no one and there’s no way to call him. He is between a rock and a hard place, i.e. between your boss and the customer (owner of the facility). I see two options: take a tight rein on the selection of personnel for private offices, or completely liquidate them and give everything to the “VOKhR” of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. This is just how I see the situation and believe so.

[Ulum]

Have you seen the soldiers of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise "Okhrana" of the Russian Guard? You can’t watch ancient veterans and women there without tears. And the Russian Guard's PSBs are almost not involved in physical security; the staff doesn't allow it. There have been no security structures in the Ministry of Internal Affairs for a long time.

[Vasily12]

This entire group deserves to at least go to prison, and at maximum to sit next to terrorists.

[vvnab]

It would be nice for Khinshtein to familiarize himself with the law “On private detective and security activities in the Russian Federation”, for starters. Article 18 of which states: “It is prohibited to use firearms against women..., as well as in large crowds of people, when the use of weapons may harm strangers.”
It is sad that in our country the words "deputy" and "stupid, narrow-minded person" have become practically synonymous.

[Ulum]

What are you talking about, this is Zolotov’s main adviser. He knows everything, can do everything, understands everything, goes everywhere with his “competent” opinion.

[storm]

The victims of the terrorist attack and the relatives of the dead should unite and file a lawsuit against Agalarov for creating a threat to the lives and health of several thousand citizens by violating the requirements of fire safety rules and regulations at the facility, and failing to ensure safety standards at mass events...
The owners of the establishment must be held accountable by law for the deaths of more than a hundred people and even more victims...

[VZEM100]

first send a demand to Putin for his arrest

[Oleg Apushkin]

The owner and distributor of azercrime in Russia will not be held responsible for the locked doors and the lack of courage of the churban gangs in the private security company to take up arms.

[Scientist_]

Quote: tolancop

And pulling guards out of an object of interest by causing a mess nearby is a classic of the genre.

And what was so valuable at these facilities during non-working hours? The noble gentlemen have already left.

[Ivan№One]

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The pieces of paper were apparently guarded as important, from the point of view of such

[Scientist_]

Quote from JÜRGEN WEGNER

If this is an armed guard and has a firearm at his disposal, then yes.

They had no weapons, except maybe a stick. Weapons are for internecine fighting, not for protecting people.

[YanniKounnar]

En France lors du Bataclan, entre le début de l'attaque et l'assaut il s'est écoulé...2h38mn !!!

[Totor5]

Quote: carpenter

Quote: ramzay21

Should private security companies fight terrorists? What were the police officers doing in the next building?

So what is a private security company needed for, to “row” money, they get more money than policemen, why does the country need them?

What nonsense, security works for almost minimum wage. Even collection for the minimum wage works. There, salaries a couple of years ago were less than 30,000 in St. Petersburg. Where have you seen such salaries in the cops?

[Totor5]

Quote: Neo-9947

But if at least every 10th man had a bagpipe in his pocket, then these freaks would be put right there.
And it’s even more likely that, knowing this situation, they wouldn’t have gone there.
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Now, of course, witnesses to the kitchen showdown will come running and explain that firearms cannot be sold for free...
Fine. Let's go gradually.
We will allow retired military personnel, judges, prosecutors, other security officials, and other “trusted” people to wear them. And let all potential terrorists know about this.

And it will be like in America - 20,000 gun deaths a year and hundreds of cases of mass shootings in public places.
Do you want to arrange a wild west? Or do you just love guns and want to have one, but don’t allow your dream to come true?

[Volunteer Marek]

How many “gunshot” deaths have we had this year already? How long will it be? Only honestly. Without “statistics”, where deaths are listed according to different columns so as not to disturb the picture. Only a free person has the right to have weapons. A slave is not entitled to it.

[Volunteer Marek]

By the way, this is a very serious topic. In my opinion, there can be no private security companies in principle for normal security. This should be done by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other special services. That is, those who are from the state, and not from the "owner". Private security companies should guard small shops, etc. Catch thieves, cut hooligans short, help old ladies cross the road. Nothing more.

[bbss]

I imagine a shooting battle in Crocus. Right among the rushing spectators! The only way to avoid such terrorist attacks is to exclude mass events. It's wartime, and the crowd is the target.

[Victorio]

Quote: bbss

I imagine a shooting match in Crocus. Right among the rushing spectators! The only way to avoid such terrorist attacks is to exclude mass events. It's wartime, and crowds are the goal.

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You don’t have any idea, just watch the videos. they could have been met already at the entrance, as the bandits began shooting even in front of the doors

[VZEM100]

we need to slowly carry out a rotation, replacing the guards with members of our team

[certero]

Almost all private security companies belong to employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and an agreement with them is something like a fee.
If we approach the issue of choppers from the standpoint of usefulness, then the bulk of them are absolutely useless. Well, the law requires their use...
Anyone understands that four attackers is still not much and the presence of several motivated and, most importantly, armed guards could change everything.
In my opinion, it is almost impossible to prevent such cases and it is necessary to completely change the attitude of the state and the law towards armed citizens.

[vfkuk]

Quote: old rats

You contemptuously call the people who are obliged to protect you “policemen.”

The police are the ones who kick women in the stomach at demonstrations.

[cat-begemot]

- Uncle traffic cop, is it true that you are a policeman?
- really boy, what's the matter?
- Uncle, why did you shoot our partisans?

The people's militia was, and the police are closer to business and oppression.

[Yuri EVRAZ]

It’s all empty. There are a lot of other places where you can’t squeeze in. You can’t put a machine gun at every point. And judging by the salary of a private security officer, then few people agree to fight with IZH against AK.

[pavel.tipin]

I think the situation can be changed if, at the same time as purchasing a ticket, citizens purchase short-term insurance for a round sum, and the insurer will be responsible for protecting the event.

[cat-begemot]

There is a private security company, but there is no State Bureau of Investigation. And it’s a pain to give them weapons. So they’re on duty with a cucumber and a baton.

[Andrey1978]

Case from practice: The object is a building in which there are only two chains of stores, divided by floors between them. Security by different private security companies. At night, glass breaks. The RBI of the first network were the first to rush in, inspected their facility, everything was intact. The window of the second chain was broken. At the same time, someone saw the private security company... The kids drove in in a car... But the private security company just stood there. The private security company of the second network rushed in, and the first ones stupidly passed on the information to them. Naturally, the culprits have already dumped and abandoned the car without documents in the yards. To my question to the first arrivals why they were not detained, the answer was: On what basis? We have everything intact. If they had detained, God forbid, one of the children complained about their health... Excess of authority, even to the point of considering the issue of deprivation of a license.

[Ulum]

This is exactly what happens. They tied their hands and feet with bans, and now they demand heroism.

[singless]

registered weapons are an additional payment for security. if there are no weapons, many times less. But where do they keep it when they need it? The question is?

[Viktor Sergeev]

Registered and then what? No one will give the private security company machine guns, and farts against AKMs are as good as pellets against an elephant. Even if the private security company was armed with machine guns, they would simply be crushed at the entrance, without even having time to squeak. Only in the movies there is Die Hard and he kills everyone.
Deputies need to go to the front, they are tired of being smart after a fight. If a terrorist attack is not prevented at the preparation stage, then the maximum that can be done is to reduce the number of victims, eliminate the consequences and destroy all those involved. It is necessary to establish at the legal level: all those involved must be destroyed, regardless of their tenure and position. The CIA director should know: gave the command to attack, buy a coffin.

[Ivan№One]

these devils didn’t even clean the machines, apparently they didn’t recognize
They wouldn’t crush anyone armed and prepared

[Marvell]

How many of these crocuses are there in Russia? Azerbaijanis everyone is buying up in a row

[Glory1974]

Not only are security guards prohibited from using weapons, they are threatened with a prosecutor's inspection even if they hit you with a baton. And if, God forbid, you put handcuffs on, you can end up in jail. Many stores refuse the services of security guards and hire managers. Guys walk around and make sure no one steals. If he sees something wrong, he can punch him in the face and no one will do anything to him, he is not a security guard, he is not bound hand and foot by instructions and laws. Moreover, he should be rewarded because he detained a thief. Such cases are often shown in crime reports.
Banks refuse armed security, because if you shoot a robber, they will torture you with checks, and why pay extra money for a weapon.

[hhurik]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

How is Security different from Protection? So that nothing is stolen? Then it’s watchmen

guardia is Italian for “guard, protection,” so it’s no different.
The Guard

[hhurik]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

By the way, this is a very serious topic. In my opinion, there can be no private security companies in principle for normal security. This should be done by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and other special services. That is, those who are from the state, and not from the "owner". Private security companies should guard small shops, etc. Catch thieves, cut hooligans short, help old ladies cross the road. Nothing more.

Do we have capitalism or what? The owner protects his property by all available means, this collective farm where everyone around is equal, and there is nothing special to take from anyone, is over. And for a long time.
But the collective farm habits remained. Although the state in fact does not guarantee anything to anyone - I remember the reform of the Lord of Winter Time, when the Ministry of Internal Affairs was reduced, like, it was not needed.
Well, what do you want? Protect yourself, as the rulers suggest, well, with your own actions. Both individually, such as the concept “my home is my fortress,” and through private security companies. But here, too, the collective farm thinking: pestles/revolvers are categorically prohibited, shotguns are also limited, judicial practice on the necessary defense is purely punitive in relation to the defender.
Well, this is how we live.

[Alex 22 22]

In the same building there is a fully staffed police department, it seems!

This is from the official website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for the Krasnogorsk district. The police department of the Pavshino microdistrict controls order in the entrusted territory and helps Moscow residents solve problem situations within the framework of the law. Here you can write a statement if you witnessed a crime or suffered from the actions of a criminal. Employees recommend contacting them immediately, because the sooner they can begin an investigation, the greater the likelihood that the culprit will not escape responsibility, and you will be able to receive compensation.
The organization is located at the address: Russia, Moscow region, Krasnogorsk, Mezhdunarodnaya street, 18 (near the Myakinino metro station). You can find out the necessary information by calling [phone] or on the website 50.mvd.rf. The company's doors are open 24 hours a day.
You realized that this is probably not the police department. This is a COMPANY!

[hhurik]

Quote: Alex 22 22

In the same building there is a fully staffed police department, it seems!

This is from the official website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Russian Federation. Office of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia for the Krasnogorsk district. The police department of the Pavshino microdistrict controls order in the entrusted territory and helps Moscow residents solve problem situations within the framework of the law. Here you can write a statement if you witnessed a crime or suffered from the actions of a criminal. Employees recommend contacting them immediately, because the sooner they can begin an investigation, the greater the likelihood that the culprit will not escape responsibility, and you will be able to receive compensation.
The organization is located at the address: Russia, Moscow region, Krasnogorsk, Mezhdunarodnaya street, 18 (near the Myakinino metro station). You can find out the necessary information by calling [phone] or on the website 50.mvd.rf. The company's doors are open 24 hours a day.
You realized that this is probably not the police department. This is a COMPANY!

It's a waste of time to google - but judging by the style of what's written, you're lying To the extent that this is the official website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
And for what purpose are you lying, I’m curious? I’m embarrassed to ask - why did you put the word “company” in caps, out of hatred for some social group or other base motives?

[DenVB]

Quote: hhurik

And for what purpose are you lying, I’m curious? I’m embarrassed to ask - why did you put the word “company” in caps, out of hatred for some social group or other base motives?

By the way, yesterday he already wrote about this same “company” and this same “official website of the Ministry of Internal Affairs”. Then that article was trashed along with all the comments. But the guy is persistent, apparently.

This is probably where he gets this nonsense about the “company” and the “official website” from: https://zoon.ru/msk/public_services/upravlenie_mvd_rossii_po_krasnogorskomu_rajonu_otdel_politsii_mikrorajona_pavshino/

An ordinary reference aggregator site, they call any office a “company,” be it the Ministry of Internal Affairs, or a joint-stock company, or an individual entrepreneur.

[Dormidontych]

The FSB should fight terrorism, not security guards.

[Totor5]

Quote: Volunteer Marek

How many “gunshot” deaths have we had this year already? How long will it be? Only honestly. Without “statistics”, where deaths are listed according to different columns so as not to disturb the picture. Only a free person has the right to have weapons. A slave is not entitled to it.

It is immediately obvious that you are from the sect of the estrus on trunks. Always the same quotes.

[Mazunga]

you better tell me how many taxes this crocus paid to the budget))) that’s where the loaf will be eden

[Ulum]

In general, security of sports, cultural and other public events by private security company employees does not require security guards to have service weapons. In other words, it is prohibited.