Krasnogorsk Mumbai. Two similar, different terrorist attacks

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Krasnogorsk Mumbai. Two similar, different terrorist attacks
Mohammed Kasab at Victoria Station, where he and another terrorist first threw a couple of grenades into the crowd and then opened fire on people with machine guns


Similarities


Both attacks (despite who the actual customers were) have a religious background. In Mumbai, terrorists from the Deccan Mujahideen organization (an organization possibly associated with Al-Qaeda) operated; in Krasnogorsk, terrorists swore allegiance (according to unconfirmed information) to ISIS (banned in Russia).



In both cases, the main goal was the classic, unfortunately, random destruction of the largest number of innocent civilians.


Terrorists Abdul Rehmad Bada and Abu Ali captured on CCTV at the Taj Mahal Palace, Mumbai, 2008

And here we come to probably the main similarity between both attacks - the method of killing civilians. In both attacks, the terrorists used mainly firearms. weapon. It is too early to say what caused the death of the majority of victims in the Crocus City Hall building - small arms fire or a fire that started due to the fault of terrorists, but one thing is for sure - terrorists used small arms fire to make their way into the concert hall and in the concert hall itself At first they fired randomly at the spectators.

In Mumbai, the terrorists had grenades (8 each) and improvised explosive devices, but just like in Krasnogorsk, the largest number of victims were people who came under machine gun fire.


Footage taken by one of the eyewitnesses of the attack in Krasnogorsk. Terrorists shoot unarmed people at point-blank range in Crocus City Hall

Both attacks involved money. The Pakistanis who attacked Mumbai were promised large sums of money to be paid to their families after the attack and, consequently, their deaths. The Tajiks who attacked Crocus City Hall were promised... to pay themselves, that is, they themselves had to receive the money. And here we come to the differences in the actions of terrorists.

Differences


The terrorists who were being trained to attack Mumbai were prepared in several stages. Those who performed best at the first stage of preparation were sent for additional training. It also included Hindi lessons - you had to be able to communicate well with the locals. Subsequently, this was useful to the terrorists, since at the first stage of their attack they calmly moved around in a local taxi. They also shaved before the attack and were dressed in ordinary “European” clothes.


The boat from which terrorists landed in Mumbai in 2008

There was nothing like this in Krasnogorsk. Footage of the detention of the suspects and their first interrogations in hot pursuit show that some of them speak Russian with difficulty, and one of them does not speak Russian at all. Judging by the testimony of the manager of the hostel where the suspects lived, which appeared online, one of them, the youngest terrorist, who spoke Russian best, communicated with the manager for all of them. Also, none of them refused to have a beard with a shaved or trimmed mustache.


A car stopped in the Bryansk region by suspects in a terrorist attack in Krasnogorsk

Would the need to learn the language and shave off the terrorists' beards have stopped them? Naturally not. Would this make it more difficult to prepare for a terrorist attack? Probably yes.

For the ten Pakistanis who attacked Mumbai, getting to the city itself was a separate task, risky and dangerous. The terrorist attack might not have taken place at all: they had to travel by boat, and if it had not been for an Indian fishing trawler captured along the way, things could have turned out badly for them. Actually, the landing in the city was subsequently carried out from the water and in the dark.

Investigative actions are still underway regarding the Krasnogorsk terrorists. Information appears, then is refuted - and this has happened several times already. In particular, they wrote that all of them are already citizens of the Russian Federation - this information has now been refuted, and the legality of their presence in the country is being checked. But be that as it may, it is already clear that they lived quietly in the country, one of them definitely worked, and they calmly moved in the personal car of one of the suspects. They arrived at Crocus City Hall on it, and when leaving the parking lot, they hit several people running out of the building on it, and they were detained on it in the Bryansk region.


Indian Army soldier outside the Taj Mahal Palace Hotel, Mumbai, 2008. At first, Pakistani terrorists more than successfully resisted local security forces

In Mumbai, terrorists, divided into several groups, aggressively and skillfully confronted the police. Here, however, you need to understand that some police officers in India do not have firearms at all. Their weapons are a uniform, a bushy mustache and a long bamboo club. The first police officers who tried to counter terrorists with firearms were armed with real rarities from the Second World War - Webley revolvers and SMLE bolt-action rifles. In general, even with the start of the confrontation at the Taj Mahal Palace hotel, where one of the groups took hostages, the situation did not get any better; the local security services acted ineptly and clumsily.


The first special forces units are preparing to enter Crocus City Hall... but by this time there were no terrorists inside. They had no intention of fighting with law enforcement officers, much less dying.

Judging by what we see now, none of the terrorists were going to die in Krasnogorsk, and in general they didn’t want to die...

And here we gradually approach, probably, the main difference between the two attacks - their finale for the performers themselves.

In Mumbai, terrorists were going to die. None of them should have survived. The capture of Mohammed Kasab alive was an accident and the result of the heroic act of police inspector Tukaram Omble. Approaching the wounded terrorist to check if he was alive, Omble received several bullets in the torso and head, but being mortally wounded, he managed to grab the barrel of the machine gun, which allowed his colleagues to detain Kasab.

The Krasnogorsk riflemen were not going to die. This, apparently, justifies the nature of their actions. They shot at people on the move, but did not linger too long. They finished off the wounded, but sometimes they were content with the fact that the person had already fallen to the floor. One got the feeling that the main thing for them was that there were no people behind them who could interfere with them, and the speed of their actions. They clearly had no intention of entering into a confrontation with the police. When special forces were unloaded at the burning building, and the media were reporting about hostages, shooting and possible negotiations, all the attackers were already driving a used foreign car towards the Bryansk region, hoping to escape alive and unharmed.


Photo from social networks of one of the suspects in the attack on Crocus City Hall, who lived and worked in the Ivanovo region... well, where would we be without MMA

That is, martyrdom, paradise and houris are no longer so seductive. And to shoot infidels and get away with impunity, and even get money for it, is a new goal for terrorists.

And in this regard, the fact that all the direct (again, unverified data) perpetrators have been detained is very good. This will make potential successors to the work of the Krasnogorsk riflemen understand that it will not be possible to shoot and set people on fire in the capital of Russia and get away with impunity. And martyrdom may not happen either. No money, no freedom, no paradise, no houris. And here we can say for sure that all the actions of our security forces after the terrorist attack itself were much more competent than those of their Indian colleagues. The result, as they say, is obvious - all the suspects were detained and even almost unharmed.


When the realization came that it would not be possible to shoot infidels with impunity. On the left is one of those detained on suspicion of attack on Crocus City Hall, on the right is the wounded Mohammed Kasab at the police station

Now all that remains is to pray for the victims, wait for the results of the official investigation and hope that appropriate conclusions will be drawn from the situation and measures will be taken.
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  1. +8
    25 March 2024 04: 18
    And here we gradually approach, probably, the main difference between the two attacks - their finale for the performers themselves.
    No, personally, I see that this article literally directly diverts attention from the main customers and those interested in the terrorist attack - the terrorist sub-state called Ukraine and the terrorist, but unfortunately full-fledged state of Great Britain.

    In general, everyone involved in the fact that these animals felt completely at ease in Russia before the terrorist attack are traitors to Russia, out of greed, stupidity or malicious intent - it doesn’t matter...
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 06: 29
      this article literally directly diverts attention from the main customers and those interested in the terrorist attack - a terrorist sub-state called Ukraine
      I agree with you. This is probably why the author did not identify himself.
      1. +11
        25 March 2024 07: 36
        What else should “valuable foreign specialists” do in order to understand that it is not necessary to invite foreigners to save money, but to raise the salaries of local workers. Greed has not brought any good.
  2. +19
    25 March 2024 04: 50
    It’s a terrible tragedy, and it’s scary that it happened, it’s something beyond the human, but to be honest, there are also a lot of questions. Firstly, now there are a lot of articles about wonderful people who saved people, and with the noble names of Islam, Musa, and other Uslumbeks , and for some reason the lists of the dead are entirely Slavic names. Then it will turn out that the detainees came with weapons to save our compatriots, and they will leave the courtrooms with medals and flowers. Secondly, it’s not entirely clear to me that Yandex maps show that in the building on the street. International 18, there is a police station, and the terrorists quietly left. Thirdly, they talk very quietly about the building itself, judging by how quickly it burned down, they apparently forgot about fire safety measures there during construction again. Then there is a story that one was knocked out, and everyone seems to be talking about four shooters, four also left, and were also detained, just some kind of liquid terminators, although I could very well be wrong, the information is confusing and it is still difficult to put it together into a single picture. Who is guilty? Well, the USA and Britain clearly knew something, but the accomplices did not report the details! Islamists, of course, are a complete failure of our migration policy, and it looks like we can hire such “terrorists” in batches. Well, the option of retreating to Ukraine clearly hints that legs can grow from there.....
    1. +13
      25 March 2024 05: 22
      everyone seems to be talking about four shooters, four also left
      And they reported the arrest of eleven, and they tied them all up en masse, four were taken to Moscow, and where were seven taken?
      1. +2
        25 March 2024 06: 41
        Quote: parusnik
        everyone seems to be talking about four shooters, four also left
        And they reported the arrest of eleven, and they tied everyone up en masse, four were taken to Moscow, and where were the seven sent?

        Not en masse.
        A total of 11 were detained, including 4 runners, several Crocus staff and several people who were at the concert.
        1. +3
          25 March 2024 09: 08
          Don't confuse us. The arrest of 11 suspects was reported sometime around 22.00 p.m. And four fugitives were detained near Bryansk around 3.00:15 the next day. Total XNUMX.
      2. 0
        25 March 2024 06: 53
        Quote: parusnik
        and where did they put the seven?

        Yes, they are sitting in the next cells, with the same broken faces, only their ears, I think they are intact. These people are not media people, and I think that most of them will be released and deported due to lack of evidence
      3. 0
        25 March 2024 09: 51
        And where is the one whom the citizens in Crocus itself neutralized? request recourse
        1. -1
          25 March 2024 11: 39
          Quote from AdAstra
          And where is the one whom the citizens in Crocus itself neutralized? request recourse

          So in the morgue, where else could he be? They won’t drag his stinking carcass, along with his living accomplices, through the courts by the legs. It is no longer dealt with by investigators, but by pathologists, since this is their client.
          1. -1
            25 March 2024 16: 11
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote from AdAstra
            And where is the one whom the citizens in Crocus itself neutralized? request recourse

            So in the morgue, where else could he be? They won’t drag his stinking carcass, along with his living accomplices, through the courts by the legs. It is no longer dealt with by investigators, but by pathologists, since this is their client.

            With him, as with the citizens, there is silence.
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    3. +1
      27 March 2024 20: 00
      and for some reason the lists of the dead are all Slavic names


      Gulzhigit Kyzy Maiza
      Huseynov Vugar Fuad ogly
      Zhusupova Edita Bakytbekovna
      Israelyan Lilit Khachikovna
      Kim Yana Yurievna
      Manyurova Albina Maratovna
      Mukhamedzhanov Pavel Ekramovich

      No need to force it. The terrorists did not have their own in Crocus. But the fact that the cops and special forces screwed up completely is a fact. As I understand it, they acted as standard. We thought as always, taking hostages, making demands. We were waiting for negotiations. The operational headquarters was deployed. Why bother going inside? People are just getting out of there. No one pays attention to the fire. Terrorists will not burn themselves. And the terrorists at this time are already bye bye.
      And fire is a matter of the Ministry of Emergency Situations. And the minutes ticked by, the smoke spread, people were suffocating. And here's the result. Maybe I'm wrong. But I think that's how it was.
  3. +10
    25 March 2024 05: 22
    I was struck by the difference in the behavior of these creatures during the terrorist attack and during the arrest - I have never seen a more pitiful sight. These are not people or even animals, these are slugs... And they also talked about some preachers... they are a disgrace to Islam. Hence the conclusion - this is not ISIS, what the hell, there are religious fanatics going to death for the sake of faith, and here are rabble trying to save their worthless lives.
    1. +8
      25 March 2024 07: 01
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      I was struck by the difference in the behavior of these creatures during the terrorist attack and during the arrest - I have never seen a more pitiful sight.

      Firstly, they are clearly a “retreat”, in ordinary life they can’t imagine themselves without light narcotic doping, but here they used something more serious, that’s why they are so fast and responsive and reckless
      Quote: Sergey Averchenkov
      These are not people or even animals, these are slugs...
      Yes, because they were “recruited by advertisement,” I agree that they are not fanatics at all; in similar situations, they shout suras from the Koran or praises to Allah in order to motivate themselves morally and support like-minded people. Where, in the Islamic world, they know a lot about such pumping, just remember the “Old Man of the Mountain” with his “Ismailis”
      1. 0
        31 March 2024 22: 37
        ISIS fighter stopped a Christian couple’s car.

        ISIS action movie: “Are you a Muslim?”
        Christian: "Yes, I am Muslim."
        ISIS militant: "If you are a Muslim, retell the sura from the Koran."
        The Christian recited a poem from the Bible.
        ISIS action movie: “Well, you can go.”

        After a few minutes, the wife, barely catching her breath, tells her husband: “I can’t believe how you took such a risk. Why did you say that we are Muslims? If he knew that you were lying, he would kill us both! ”

        “I was worried in vain. If they knew the Qur'an, they would never have killed people! ”Her husband answered.
  4. +18
    25 March 2024 05: 37
    Somehow everyone forgot that throughout the year and earlier, information was reported that Russian migrants were beaten there, killed there... They demanded that the Christmas tree be removed, etc. Is there a million migrants living in the country or more? And what would not arise among such a number of migrants, some kind of extremist organization? I doubt it. The Ukrainian trace is confirmed indirectly and only by the fact that terrorists tried to hide there. And where should they hide? In Chechnya? Ukraine, a state that would not extradite them, in any case. This terrorist attack is an attempt to prove who is the boss in the country.
    1. +11
      25 March 2024 06: 02
      Does the country have a million migrants or more?

      You are somehow optimistic about the situation.
      According to the most conservative estimates (which, IMHO, are most likely underestimated due to illegal immigrants), the Tajik diaspora alone is 3 (THREE) million:
      "The Ministry of Internal Affairs reports that in 2021, citizens of Tajikistan registered for migration more than 2 million times [4], of which about 1,6 million were labor migrants. In general, it can be assumed that at least 1 million people live in Russia at any one time people of Tajik origin. The upper limit remains debatable; according to some estimates, the number of ethnic Tajiks in Russia (citizens of the Russian Federation and citizens of other states) can reach 3 million."

      Crocus City Hall - IMHO, is only the most noticeable part of the story with ISIS, a terrorist organization banned in Russia.
      Here are the data only for March of this year"In Ingushetia FSB officers detained more than 30 accomplices of terrorists from the Islamic State (ISIS, a terrorist organization banned in Russia), neutralized in Karabulak." https://lenta.ru/news/2024/03/22/fsb-zaderzhala-bolee-30 -posobnikov-terroristov-igil-v-ingushetii/
      "From a message from the FSB Central Election Commission: "On the territory of the Kaluga region the activities of the cell of the international terrorist organization ISIS banned in Russia in Afghanistan “Vilayat Khorasan” were suppressed" https://www.ntv.ru/novosti/2816209/
      1. +8
        25 March 2024 06: 09
        You are somehow optimistic about the situation.
        Is it optimistic that everything turns out to be much worse. The Barmaley underground is active.
    2. +5
      25 March 2024 06: 34
      Where should they hide?
      The easiest place to hide is in Moscow. Most likely they hid here. And who are those who got caught? It’s interesting, but they won’t say.
      1. +2
        25 March 2024 08: 53
        Quote: Gardamir
        The easiest place to hide is in Moscow. Most likely they hid here. And who are those who got caught? It’s interesting, but they won’t say.
        Not a fact - Moscow is stuffed with cameras, the departure would have been tracked anyway
        1. +2
          25 March 2024 16: 52
          Why then did they calmly go out and get into the car? After all, the security forces were already there. In addition, the Americans and British had recently warned their citizens in Russia not to attend mass gatherings of people, i.e. It turns out we were warned. What did Putin say to this? He said that this was a provocation of the Anglo-Saxons.
          Therefore, this terrorist attack is a complete failure of our intelligence services, police and the Supreme Commander personally.
    3. -3
      25 March 2024 10: 23
      Quote: parusnik
      The Ukrainian trace is confirmed indirectly and only by the fact that the terrorists tried to hide there.


      As for me, there is more intersection here... Considering the promises of the Ukrainian leadership to present “surprises” to Russia, the actions of the RDK are the same: quite similar (PR campaign, shooting of civilians) and a window on Ukraine, because according to the information that is on the network, they were waiting there, but what happened next is not clear... either they would have moved them further from Ukraine, or they would have been removed at the border, or some other options.

      But what catches your eye... the terrorists did not dare to get lost/hide in the Moscow region and sit out somewhere in the dachas, but immediately rushed to the border and, taking into account their intelligence, I can’t believe that they organized everything themselves (exit plan), which means they were led by the organizer terrorist attack... somehow it’s not like the Islamists, where the perpetrators are suicide bombers, and even ideological ones, and here for money... shaking when caught.

      And I would like to separately touch on the activities of the State Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine, judging by the terrorist attacks and sabotage that they committed, they do not repeat themselves, each time they look for new ways and approaches... Why not use migrants in the dark? And stir up the topic of migrants in Russia? By the way, the presidential elections took place... and this happened after them, which is also a kind of marker), so there are more leads to the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine or MI6, which love such topics.
      1. 0
        25 March 2024 13: 05
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        window to Ukraine, because according to the information that is on the Internet, they were waiting there, but what happened next is not clear... either they would have moved them further from Ukraine, or they would have been removed at the border

        President Vladimir Putin: the suspects were moving towards Ukraine, where a “window for crossing the state border” was prepared for them on the Ukrainian side.
        It’s not clear, maybe someone knows and will answer...
        "Window to Ukraine" is located in Belarus?
        and how is this known?
        1. -1
          25 March 2024 13: 17
          Quote: Yeti Suvorov
          It’s not clear, maybe someone knows and will answer...
          "Window to Ukraine" is located in Belarus?
          and how is this known?


          Why do they need to go to Belarus? The Bryansk region borders on Ukraine (Sumy/Chernigov regions), they just didn’t reach the border, they were intercepted earlier…. and regarding the information, since the president said it, it means there was operational information from the intelligence services.
          1. +2
            25 March 2024 16: 57
            However, they were moving along the road that led to Belarus, 16 km remained to the border. Therefore, if there was a window, it would be on the Belarusian border.
            1. +1
              25 March 2024 18: 19
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              However, they were moving along the road that led to Belarus, 16 km remained to the border. Therefore, if there was a window, it would be on the Belarusian border.

              The border with Belarus is guarded differently than with Ukraine. They might well want to go to Belarus first, and from there to Ukraine.

              I don’t know what is happening now on the border of Ukraine and Belarus. Perhaps there is still a road connection along the Gomel-Chernigov highway?
            2. +1
              26 March 2024 08: 55
              Quote: Fan-Fan
              However, they were moving along the road that led to Belarus, 16 km remained to the border. Therefore, if there was a window, it would be on the Belarusian border.


              According to media reports, the terrorists were moving along the M3 highway towards Ukraine, where did you get the information that they were moving towards Belarus? Just based on the picture that user Yeti Suvorov posted?
        2. 0
          25 March 2024 17: 50
          It’s not clear, maybe someone knows and will answer... "the window to Ukraine" is in Belarus?
          And it’s like in the song: “He went to Odessa, but came out to Kherson.”
        3. +3
          25 March 2024 20: 54
          They were taken between Bryansk and Navlya, and not where you indicated on the map. They were moving along the M3 towards Ukraine
        4. +1
          April 9 2024 11: 16
          Quote: Yeti Suvorov
          It’s not clear, maybe someone knows and will answer...
          "Window to Ukraine" is located in Belarus?
          and how is this known?

          In the Bryansk region there are two settlements with almost identical names.
          The village of Teply is near the border with Belarus.
          The village of Teploye is next to the M-3 highway leading to Ukraine.

          They found and stopped the car near the village of Khatsun, and caught up with the last terrorists near Teploye village, 10 km south of Hatsuni.
      2. 0
        25 March 2024 17: 51
        given the promises of the Ukrainian leadership to present “surprises” to Russia
        Intensive bombing of the Belgorod region is already commonplace, are there any surprises?
  5. -2
    25 March 2024 06: 25
    The main thing is to find out where they were trained. All the actions of the terrorists show that they were trained by specialists, not wanting to expose themselves. Find out their biographies. Instill hatred of people and teach them to shoot at people. For a small bribe. This is not the handwriting of the Islamists. Perhaps they were used as consumables, maintaining their ranks. We must prepare for the future.
  6. +5
    25 March 2024 06: 42
    Well, the conclusions are simple, it’s high time to close the border, visas only. And let all these specialists at the border post prove that the Russian Federation needs their services. The second thing to do is to equate the diaspora with organized crime groups and take appropriate measures. In general, it’s time to restore order within the state, migration policy is key, otherwise everything will slide into nationalism...
  7. +7
    25 March 2024 06: 54
    While there are no official, specific statements, all that remains is to speculate, read and listen to speculation. And even when they are announced officially, questions may remain, many questions... I will give an analogy with Kazakhstan, not entirely appropriate and not quite an analogy, but in terms of official statements it is quite... It was announced that 20 thousand militants had attacked Alma-Ata, officially stated, and no one twirled a finger to their temple.. ALL heads of state, especially neighbors, pretended that this was so. They will report what is beneficial at the moment to those who rule. And I noticed how the rhetoric of officials had changed compared to the first hours of this terrible tragedy.
  8. +10
    25 March 2024 07: 05
    There are a lot of questions for the security forces. The terrorists calmly walked in, calmly killed, calmly got into the car and drove away. 10 million such Russian citizens were brought to us. So why should we walk and look around now? Krokus, this is our “September 11”, there are a lot of questions for the security forces.
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 09: 57
      I'll tell you one thing. In the summer of 2021, while communicating with my former colleague, I was surprised to learn that in one of the regional police departments there were no employees left at all, everyone quit, there was only the chief, who eventually also quit, and they were interrupted there by seconded employees from other departments. And this is only one service and the others are no better in this regard. And as I already wrote, even though I was mercilessly downvoted, people are lured from all over the country into the Moscow special regiments of the teaching staff, for example.
      1. +5
        25 March 2024 17: 14
        There's no point in complaining. There is data on the Internet that Russia ranks first in the world in terms of the number of police officers per capita. In Russia today, 914 people are on the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. It is the third largest police force in the world.
        1. +3
          25 March 2024 17: 46
          Quote: Fan-Fan
          In Russia today, 914 people are on the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.

          In Russia it is generally difficult to understand anything. Either people are registered in the state, or the states are simply registered - not necessarily with people.

          And we must take into account that the staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is not only (and not even so much) operatives and security officers. The Ministry of Internal Affairs, like our other government agencies, is a very bureaucratic service.
        2. +2
          25 March 2024 20: 07
          I'm not complaining, I'm telling it like it is. On paper there are 914, but in reality there is an emptiness of many of these 500. But whether you believe it or not is up to you.
        3. +1
          27 March 2024 08: 18
          The key word here is “in the state.” Since in other countries many positions are assigned to the state and, for example, belong to the municipality.

          We even have personnel officers and accountants on staff and with shoulder straps.

          Therefore, it is impossible to directly compare the number of police officers per capita.
  9. +9
    25 March 2024 07: 09
    In this whole story, what amazes me most is how propaganda works, both here and on the “other side.” A few days ago, when foreign embassies, one after another, began to warn their citizens about the danger of terrorist attacks at concerts and in large shopping centers, we heard from the very top that this was a “provocation with the aim of destabilization,” and now everywhere and everywhere about how and who acted heroically , no one even apologized for missing such an obvious warning. Well, the “non-brothers” especially distinguished themselves by how happy they were and what they wrote until their puppeteers condemned the terrorist attack, although they also hint that Russia itself is to blame. And here and there they create hype about death. This is all disgusting. And my soul is disgusting.
  10. +9
    25 March 2024 07: 36
    Investigative actions are still underway regarding the Krasnogorsk terrorists. Information appears, then is refuted - and this has happened several times already. In particular, they wrote that all of them are already citizens of the Russian Federation - this information has now been refuted, and the legality of their presence in the country is being checked. But be that as it may, it is already clear that they lived quietly in the country, one of them definitely worked, and they calmly moved in the personal car of one of the suspects. They arrived at Crocus City Hall on it, and when leaving the parking lot, they hit several people running out of the building on it, and they were detained on it in the Bryansk region.
    The dear father of labor migrants in Russia is Khusnullin, “ardent greetings” to him, also to the Federation of Migrants of Russia (FMR), it turns out there is such an all-Russian public organization?! Who's in charge there? Someone V.V. Kozhenov. Here are the results uncontrollable migration. Whoever was behind the organization of this bloody action,fact on the face in these ethnic diasporas there will always be those who are ready to slaughter Russians both for money and just like that. How far have we lived? Migration policy need to reconsider, or better yet in general ban the import of guest workers to the Russian Federation. But... as I said
    “This should be a state policy, Russia is interested in the influx of migrants, but in the influx of those who the country needs,” Putin said, explaining that in general we are talking about “young, healthy, educated people who are either ready to get an education and join into the labor market, or directly start working with the required level of qualifications"
    Yeah, they came young and healthy with the “necessary qualifications” to kill people. One gets the impression that GDP lives in a surreal world....
    Terrorists, murderers, non-humans who do not and cannot have a nationality face one unenviable fate - retribution and oblivion. They have no future.... No one will be able to sow poisonous seeds of discord, panic and discord in our multinational society..
    Just nationality is there, but as for the poisonous seeds, whole bushes of interethnic hostility have already grown in the post-Soviet space, and it is impossible not to notice them.
    1. +8
      25 March 2024 09: 58
      “It seems that GDP lives in a surreal world...”
      This is your impression, but I have long been firmly convinced, but, as they say, 87,28%.
  11. -8
    25 March 2024 08: 23
    Both attacks (despite who the actual customers were) have a religious background.
    How much did the Tajik diaspora pay for this brilliant article? Probably a lot. Ukrainian money is enough for many such articles. It's nice to see her on the site, it's just a dream...
  12. +1
    25 March 2024 09: 05
    After the terrorist attack, the security forces must follow a complete defeat of all diasporas within the country, otherwise no one is immune from a repetition of this in the future.
    The approach to labor migration also needs to be reconsidered. My vision.
    1. Migrant workers who come to the Russian Federation to earn money must register with the police at their place of residence.
    2. Labor migration on an individual basis should be stopped; migrants should come to the country only after they have concluded an employment contract with the employer.
    3. The employer must bear full responsibility for the invited specialist, including providing accommodation for migrants (for example, a rotational camp).
    4. In the territory of residence, migrants must visit religious institutions where clergy have permission to preach from the Central Spiritual Administration of Muslims of Russia.
    5. It is necessary to intensify efforts to recruit and infiltrate informants among migrants in order to collect and control sentiment.
    6. It is necessary to intensify work in the Central Asian republics to promote the image of the Russian Federation, especially among young people.
    But probably the best option is to create jobs locally, so that migrants work in their homeland, and do not go to other countries in search of work.
  13. +3
    25 March 2024 09: 11
    It’s too early to draw any conclusions, the identities have not been established, and how they ended up in Moscow either.
  14. +12
    25 March 2024 09: 44
    They clearly had no intention of entering into a confrontation with the police. When special forces were unloaded at the burning building, and the media were reporting about hostages, shooting and possible negotiations, all the attackers were already driving a used foreign car towards the Bryansk region, hoping to escape alive and unharmed.


    It is difficult to confront the police when the police disappear. Footage of the Ministry of Internal Affairs canine service van standing at the main entrance near the car in which the terrorists arrived has spread all over the Internet, and a service employee is calmly walking with a dog on the way out when machine gun shots are heard behind him, instead of helping in the evacuation of visitors and informing management about the situation inside.
    The nearest department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs is located 520 meters from the entrance to Crocus Hall, and what were these police officers doing?
    The terrorist attack began at 19.55, according to TASS SOBR and riot police arrived at 21.06, the first message was that security forces entered the building at 21.32, more than an hour after the terrorists left, people were suffocating in the smoke without help...

    The Moscow riot police base is located in Strogino, a neighboring district. From the base to the building it is 3 kilometers in a straight line; traffic jams on the Moscow Ring Road could be avoided by reaching the Spassky Bridge across the Moscow River (cutting off part of the path through the forested park area of ​​the Spassky Zaton) and running the remaining 500 meters on foot.
    The first riot police should have arrived on the scene 15-20 minutes after the start of the terrorist attack, and not 71 minutes later.
    In Perm, the terrorist who started the shooting was neutralized within 8 minutes by junior traffic police lieutenant Konstantin Kalinin, who during this time received information about the emergency, ran 250 meters from the traffic police building to the building in which the terrorist was located and shot the criminal.

    When the Ministry of Internal Affairs complains that it cannot work normally due to a lack of personnel, these are excuses. Even with a shortage of 100 thousand people, 680 thousand people wear shoulder straps (470 per 100 thousand), which is significantly more than in most countries, including the criminally troubled countries of Latin America.
    SOBR and OMON were still working somehow before being included in the Russian Guard, but now they are rapidly degrading...
    1. +3
      25 March 2024 10: 03
      You are partly right, but only partly. Now we have a lot of people wearing shoulder straps; if not a lot of office workers, then certainly a lot of females (oil). But here they are, not like in America, you can’t fight much with them, but give them benefits, length of service, pensions.
      1. +7
        25 March 2024 11: 43
        A radical reform of the Ministry of Internal Affairs system is necessary: ​​redistribution of staff from supervisors to those working on the ground, reduction in the number of management, simplification of the document flow system, increase in pay by at least 1.5 times, and for ordinary positions and more, normal provision of departments with vehicles and gasoline, normal legal protection police officers when using weapons

        As for women, we can propose, as part of the fight against gender discrimination, the introduction of uniform qualification requirements for the level of physical fitness, let everyone take the men's level. We have had gender equality since 1918, it’s time to get used to it)
        1. +5
          25 March 2024 12: 54
          When they “reformed” the police into the police, they also said and wrote so, but in fact we have what we have.
        2. +2
          25 March 2024 17: 20
          The Internet is full of videos of a female police officer engaging in hand-to-hand combat with a male violator, even an armed violator, but this is in the USA.
          1. -1
            25 March 2024 20: 12
            But this is the USA. hi"" "" "" "
    2. 0
      27 March 2024 00: 34
      A kilometer from Crocus is the Government House, which is guarded by special forces around the clock....
  15. 0
    25 March 2024 09: 49
    I don’t presume to talk about the actions of the security forces - I don’t know their standards. I was surprised that they caught it so quickly and that they caught exactly the right people - this is a huge plus. It's great that they are all alive. I don’t approve of trying to feed the ear, although I myself, probably, knowing the details, would simply kill the scumbag.

    I can’t blame the security of the building - they are not armed, what can an unarmed person do? No civilian building is or can be prepared for such an attack.

    The fire extinguishing system raises a lot of questions; there was probably no fire extinguishing system at all, and the alarm system was of little use during shooting. And it burned quickly and terribly. I think they will check, if the owners are not their untouchables, they will draw conclusions.

    It is too early to draw conclusions, although many have already made these conclusions, based on their own ideas and regardless of the facts.
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 12: 30
      I was surprised that they caught it so quickly and that they caught exactly the right people - this is a huge plus.
      In Krasnogorsk, “Big Brother” is superbly watching you, an excellent video surveillance system, and then it started all over the highway: “Seventh, the beige taxi did not enter Dubrovka, inspect square 45! ... Fifth, I’m seventh, I report: A cherry-colored Moskvich is moving along a forest road, towards the state border, welcome!” (c)
    2. +4
      25 March 2024 17: 49
      Quote: S.Z.
      . I think they will check, if the owners are not their untouchables, they will draw conclusions.

      The Agalarov family is friends with the Aliyev family. Will Putin quarrel with Aliyev, starting a showdown?
      with Agalarov because of the dead of our compatriots? Putin is far from Lee Kuan Yew.
  16. 0
    25 March 2024 10: 40
    I am surprised by the choice of weapons for the terrorist attack.
    Mumbai: yes, the terrorists knew that the police were not armed, the first patrols arriving at the scene would report the situation and hide. Until they swing, until it reaches the army... there will be time.
    Crocus City: Slot machines!!! There will be a battle in a building, the longest distance is 50 m, the edge is 100. There are a lot of people, civilians without any body armor or other protection. The most effective weapons for this are submachine guns (Uzi, Scorpion, Kedr, Bison) and shotguns, preferably automatic. Here the weapon was “out of stock.” Incendiary devices? Most likely from "assembled on the knee."
    Next, knowledge of the area, or rather the building. Did they have it, had anyone already been there, or found their way around the building itself?
    The actions themselves are “shoot the Russians and run away.”
    In general, the terrorist attack was organized on the principle of “cheap and cheerful.” They found disposable performers, gave them weapons “from stock” and went ahead, “shoot the Russians.” The main goal is the maximum number of deaths.
    I hope conclusions will be drawn, but what are the options for preventing such cases?
    You can’t assign a special forces platoon to every concert. Arm the guards at the entrance (I remind you that the guards died first), dress them in body armor? Even if the guards had weapons, they would not be able to use them.
    1. +5
      25 March 2024 12: 35
      I am surprised by the choice of weapons for the terrorist attack.
      Why are you surprised? It is immediately clear that some special services did not prepare the act, but local migrant activists did. They arrived, shot, set fire and left. They even escaped in a rather primitive manner.
    2. 0
      April 9 2024 11: 30
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Crocus City: Slot machines!!! There will be a battle in a building, the longest distance is 50 m, the edge is 100. There are a lot of people, civilians without any body armor or other protection.

      This is from the point of view of after-knowledge - the guards are not armed, the police and specialists did not have time.
      And if not? What if there are police in the building? Or if by chance there will be a RG or traffic police crew next to the building with someone like Konstantin Kalinin?
      Quote: Not the fighter
      The most effective weapons for this are submachine guns (Uzi, Scorpion, Kedr, Bison) and shotguns, preferably automatic.

      EMNIP, they had one Saiga. And so they took what was familiar and reliable.
  17. +3
    25 March 2024 11: 19
    A timely and well written article.
    The mumbai terror attack was orchastrated by the CIA man - David Coleman Headley.
    This attack was executed by using 'financially poor and illiterate Pakistanis'.

    As we know, the Moscow attack was executed by using 'ordinary Tajiks'.
    The orchastrated hands may be located in Washington DC.
    The goal for the two attacks were same - To kill maximum civilians.
    1. +4
      25 March 2024 17: 53
      Quote: sodium20
      The mumbai terror attack was orchastrated by the CIA man

      Many people here stubbornly refuse to believe that the CIA is behind almost all the “Islamic terrorists” in the world. Al-Qaeda was created by the CIA to fight the USSR in Afghanistan. ISIS was created by the CIA to fight pro-Iranian forces in Iraq and Syria.
      1. +3
        25 March 2024 19: 30
        'Modern radical islam' is the brain child of CIA and Mossad. In the earlier stages, CIA effectively
        used this weapon against Soviet Union. Another example is the clear involvement of CIA in 'Kashmir'. In the 1990s CIA funded and trained Pakistani ISI to orchestrate terror attacks in Kashmir. USA has a tried and tested experience in creating umpteen numbers of 'radical islamist groups' around the world. CIA exploits 'poverty and illiteracy' of Muslim families in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Poor middle eastern countries, Post Soviet nations, some African nations etc
  18. +2
    25 March 2024 13: 58
    My question is - after the attack on the first floor - how could the fire spread to the upper floors so quickly?

    There was a modern fire extinguishing system. Several videos show it working. Second team?
  19. +4
    25 March 2024 15: 53
    In this whole story, what interests me more is this question: would the police take more than 20 minutes to rob a bank, or would they also take more than XNUMX minutes to go to a rally?
    … Well, yes. As long as they lined up, as long as they counted on the first or second….
  20. 0
    25 March 2024 16: 16
    The kingdom of heaven to all those killed in the terrorist attack and a speedy recovery to all those who remained alive. I didn’t write for a long time. I had an attack after the terrorist attack. They forced me to lie down. But while my wife was not there, I decided to get out. Eh, old age is not youth. But if necessary, then we’ll go half-dead with a Kalash. At least one, but we’ll grab it. Sorry for the painful problem.
  21. -1
    25 March 2024 18: 19
    Quote from AdAstra
    And where is the one whom the citizens in Crocus itself neutralized? request recourse

    That's interesting too. The one who “neutralized” what did he do next?
  22. BAI
    0
    25 March 2024 19: 44
    that some of them speak Russian with difficulty, and one of them does not speak Russian at all.

    One of them has a page on social networks in pure Russian. Can I write, can I speak?
  23. BAI
    +5
    25 March 2024 19: 59
    In general, there are a lot of questions here.
    1 detained 4x. Where is the one that the visitors neutralized?
    2. At the beginning, everyone shouted how cleverly they reloaded their weapons. And this one was neutralized at the time of reloading.
    3. Everyone knows that the car needs to be changed. These didn't change.
    4. How were they going to walk through the Bryansk forests in low shoes and light jackets, without food and a compass? Yes, the wolves will immediately devour them there.
    5. Nearby is the government and the region and the regional court. Vorobyov could see everything from the office. And the 40th riot police regiment. There are a sea of ​​security forces there. And no one was found to arrive there?
    6. Six months ago, at Arbenina’s concert there was a police cordon and a riot police bus. There's no one here.
    7. Who allowed to hold cultural events in a building that burns like a match and does not have automatic fire extinguishing systems?
    Etc.
    For example, I believe that officials and oligarchs who shout that we cannot live without these “valuable, qualified” specialists are guilty of financing this terrorist attack
    1. 0
      26 March 2024 07: 39
      I will try to answer your questions the way I think. I'm an expert, so don't blame me :)
      1. He was not there.
      2. See above.
      3. Not everyone knew, these didn’t know or they didn’t have another.
      4. They didn't know about the wolves and everything else, or the plan was different.
      5. The entire terrorist attack took 18 minutes, which is very little. They arrived and thought the terrorists were still inside. A non-standard terrorist attack - no hostages, no demands, no suicide bombers.
      6. I can't say. It's probably a matter of payment or regulations, I don't know them.
      7. As far as I know from the owner’s words, there was a system and it worked, otherwise the building would have burned even faster. But it’s hard to say; there are questions.