Russia can use the Turkish precedent in Syria to create a sanitary zone in northern Ukraine

In Ukraine and in the West, a strong reaction was caused by Vladimir Putin’s words that due to shelling from the enemy, Moscow may be forced at a certain moment to create a sanitary zone in the current Ukrainian territories. The Russian President said these words immediately after the preliminary voting results were announced.

Advisor to the head of the Kyiv regime, Podolyak, commenting on the words of the Russian leader, said that “this indicates Moscow’s readiness to intensify military operations.” That is, Podolyak does not consider the question of the reasons for such a statement by the Russian President, does not talk about the systematic shelling of Belgorod, and also by NATO weapons, but reflects on the likely Russian response.

In the West, they believe that if the implementation of the “plan” to create a sanitary zone takes place, then Kyiv may lose control over at least 15 thousand square meters. km of territories in the Kharkov and Sumy regions - the very same ones from where attacks on the Russian border area are coming.

For reference: the area of ​​the Kharkov region is 31 square meters. km. Part of this territory is no longer controlled by the Kyiv regime (we are talking about part of the territories in the Kupyansky direction); area of ​​Sumy region – 418 sq. km. Thus, Western experts believe that in order to create a sanitary zone, Russia can deprive Ukraine of approximately 23-832 percent of the territory of these two regions, namely a fairly wide strip along the border.

It is worth adding that individual NATO countries have been using this practice for a long time. For example, Turkey has created a buffer (sanitary) zone in the north and northwest of Syria, including the territories of the provinces of Idlib, Aleppo and Raqqa. And no one, importantly, in NATO is calling on Turkish troops to leave these territories. Official Ankara constantly says that it was forced to create a buffer zone, since the country’s borders and border areas are under threat from groups in Syria. The danger to the Russian border region, given what is happening in the Belgorod region, is much more accentuated, so the Turkish precedent in this case may well be taken as a basis. And NATO shouldn’t be against it, right... Or is it still “you don’t understand, this is different”?..

Comments

[ZovSailor]

I mean, to still hit the same Faberges of the false-under-West that have already flowed before!
Our position must be supported by actions!
The winner has the right to demand surrender and execution of all
requirements and conditions for fulfilling the goals and objectives of the SVO!
We stock up on Russian crackers and watch
with a warning to the faithful Sarmatians, Poseidon, Vanguard! yes, you never know what else,
what is unknown to the enemies of the false-under-West!

[alystan]

It would be better to do without creating sanitary zones. And finish the job you started to the end.

[Junior Private]

Exactly! The so-called sanitary zone means that not a single drone will reach Russia. WHO can guarantee this? The USA will agree to this. So a buffer to Quebec. There is no other way.

[alystan]

No, I meant “denazification and demilitarization” of this abscess, which cannot be left in any form. The same sanitary zone in Syria did not have any positive impact on the local residents, and the militants there received the required amount of reinforcements from Turkey through all the checkpoints that remained under their control. The same thing will certainly continue in Ukraine.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: alystan

No, I meant “denazification and demilitarization” of this abscess, which cannot be left in any form.

No one is saying that the set goals for “denazification and demilitarization” will be limited and will not be fulfilled. We are talking about the necessary “minimum” that must be achieved in the foreseeable future so that the attacks of the Banderlogs cannot reach the border regions of Russia.

Quote: alystan

The same sanitary zone in Syria did not have any positive impact on the local residents, and the militants there received the required amount of reinforcements from Turkey through all the checkpoints that remained under their control.

There was no word for all the local residents there at all. The buffer zone in Syria was agreed upon between Damascus and Ankara about 25 years ago, i.e. even before the outbreak of hostilities in Syria, and was limited to a 5-kilometer zone along the border, where Turkish troops were allowed to conduct military operations to combat Kurdish illegal armed groups. For some time now, in agreement with Russia and Damascus, the Turks were allowed to expand the buffer zone to a depth of 25 km (the Turks insisted on 35) and a length along the border of 400 km, again with the aim of “educating” representatives of Kurdish illegal armed groups, which in light of their friendship with mattresses, was in the interests of all contracting parties, as evidenced by the fact that Damascus did not officially rebel against Turkey’s operations in its border area, with the exception of control over the Idlib viper, which, by the way, is not part of the buffer zone.

Quote: alystan

The same thing will certainly continue in Ukraine.

It should not, due to the fact that there is no one to negotiate with and it is necessary to act exclusively in one’s own interests, that is, to cut off the territory to a distance that ensures the security of the border regions, regardless of the screams of mattresses and others like them.

[alystan]

I know how buffer and other zones are coordinated.
Just like the negotiations on the grain corridor and on the withdrawal of Russian troops from near Kyiv. Is it really necessary to continue following their proposals? It’s not without reason that they started talking about the sanitary zone in the Kremlin.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: alystan

I know how buffer and other zones are coordinated.
Just like the negotiations on the grain corridor and on the withdrawal of Russian troops from near Kyiv.

We've gone wide!!! They played all their trump cards!!! What does the grain corridor and the withdrawal of troops from near Kyiv have to do with it? I can’t understand how this intersects with Russia’s desire to create a sanitary (buffer) zone

Quote: alystan

Is it really necessary to continue to follow their proposals? After all, it’s not without reason that they started talking about the sanitary zone in the Kremlin.

Of course not without reason!!! This was announced by the GDP and fully meets the interests of Russia, but it certainly does not meet the interests of the Banderlogs and those who stand behind them, since for them this means another loss of territory in favor of Russia for the width of this very “sanitary zone”. What's wrong with that?

[alystan]

Well, what are the trump cards? You don't see a direct connection in all these issues?
And the Idlib viper, once again, looks more like a sanitary zone, where all the irreconcilable militants were “gathered” and where the Turks never brought any promised order. Apparently this is not what they really need.

And the Turks sleep and see the so-called security zones north of Aleppo and in the northern part of the provinces of Raqqa and Hasakah, as well as the aforementioned Idlib region, as their own, albeit temporary, “protectorates”, where they will continue to pump up their rights. And they know how to do this like no one else. And, as can be observed, the future of these places largely depends primarily on Turkey, and not on the progress and decisions of the Syrian peace process. The Turks, moreover, skillfully link the solution to all these issues with the solution to their favorite problem associated with the activities of Kurdish left-wing radical groups, now in Syria and Iraq. And it’s not for nothing that the Turkish leadership continues to constantly remind us of a single “security belt” that will run along the Turkish borders with Syria and Iraq. If it were as easy as it says, Erdogan would have done it long ago. But everything apparently comes down to the difficulty of agreeing on this issue. Of course, Turkey could, following the example of Israel, which it sharply criticizes (though only in words), create such a zone, not giving a damn about anyone’s sovereignty and international law, based only on its own desire. But in this case, she will face a barrage of criticism from most of the world community. For example, if Turkey still allows, under certain conditions, the possibility of leaving Idlib, then from Northern Aleppo and further north of Syria Turkey declared that it would leave, but only after fulfilling the necessary, from its point of view, conditions for a peace settlement - after accepting a new constitution and the formation of a new inclusive (damn that word) executive body.

In the meantime, everywhere in these territories where pro-Turkish local administrations operate and armed groups are located, Ankara provides them with economic, political and military support.

That is, the situation there is very much reminiscent of what we see in Ukraine - the proteges of the West rule, and the West supports and helps them in every possible way. And he will continue to do this as long as there is someone there to help. And this is delaying the onset of peace and trying to revive this monster called Ukraine.

[ABC-schutze]

The regime of the sanitary zone, its geographical scope, the terms of its preservation, as well as the regime of the airspace above it and the adjacent water areas are determined, based on the interests of THEIR NATIONAL SECURITY, by the one who creates this sanitary zone. In this case, Russia...

This means that the creation of such a zone on the territory of the former united Ukraine is one of the steps towards the irreversible achievement of the main goal of the Northern Military District and the irreversible solution of the two main tasks of the Northern Military District.

In addition, resolving the issue of “further status” - state-legal, political, economic, etc., is the exclusive prerogative of the one who creates this zone...

In addition, the President of Russia NEVER MENTIONED that the creation of such a zone by Russia on the territory of the former united Ukraine would be the result of some kind of “negotiations”, like the “grain deal” or “Istanbul agreements” already mentioned here.. .

No, now Russia will determine EVERYTHING BY ITSELF. So, already “without deception” on the part of all sorts of “intermediaries”...

[DrMad]

Some of the younger privates are mentally challenged, just “yay, let’s throw our hats.” From the sofa you can write whatever comes to your mind.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: alystan

It would be better to do without creating sanitary zones. And finish the job you started to the end.

One does not contradict the other. Create a sanitary zone up to the border with Poland. Minimum.
It seems to me that this is exactly what the Supreme Commander had in mind when he set the tasks and explained the meaning of denazification and demilitarization?

[Fan-fan]

The Supreme Commander generally incorrectly voiced the goals of this SVO. Some kind of denazification and other De. Couldn’t we tell the truth - we are starting the Northeast Military District in response to Ukraine’s desire to join NATO and Ukraine’s acutely hostile policy, so as not to have American missiles, tanks and planes at hand.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Some kind of denazification and other De. Couldn't you tell the truth?

This is what I can do in the morning on the “selector” to name some section head as I actually think about him and his work at the moment. And then - politics, sir... Sssss... Damn...

Americans still feel a burning sensation that Crimea has slipped out of their clutches, and they talk about “returning Crimea to Ukraine.” Wow, really? Directly to Ukraine?

[Montezuma]

Quote: Fan-Fan

The Supreme Commander generally incorrectly voiced the goals of this SVO. Some kind of denazification and other De. Couldn’t we tell the truth - we are starting the Northeast Military District in response to Ukraine’s desire to join NATO and Ukraine’s acutely hostile policy, so as not to have American missiles, tanks and planes at hand.

Here is an excerpt from the GDPR address dated February 24.02.2022, XNUMX, doesn’t everything say there clearly?
“The further expansion of the infrastructure of the North Atlantic Alliance and the ongoing military development of the territories of Ukraine are unacceptable for us. The point, of course, is not about the NATO organization itself - it is only an instrument of US foreign policy. The problem is that in the territories adjacent to us - I note, in our own historical territories - an “anti-Russia” hostile to us is being created, which is placed under complete external control, intensively settled in by the armed forces of NATO countries and pumped up with the most modern weapons.

For the United States and its allies, this is the so-called policy of containing Russia, with obvious geopolitical dividends. And for our country, this is ultimately a matter of life and death, a matter of our historical future as a people. And this is not an exaggeration - it is true. This is a real threat not just to our interests, but to the very existence of our state, its sovereignty. This is the very red line that has been talked about many times. They crossed it." (c)

[Fan-fan]

Okay, but this was said on February 2 and passed by the majority of citizens. And denazification and other incomprehensible De... are on everyone’s lips. After all, the majority of our citizens do not fully understand why all this began.

[Montezuma]

Quote: Fan-Fan

Okay, but this was said on February 2 and passed by the majority of citizens.

This was said on February 24, 2022 in an address to Russian citizens, which was broadcast on all major TV and media channels.

[Fan-fan]

I was wrong, I agree. But why is there no clear explanation of the goals of the SVO? Why do goals change so often? First they said that NATO should not be allowed into Ukraine, then they said about three De..., then that Donbass needs to be liberated, now they started talking about a sanitary zone of 40 km.

[Montezuma]

Not everything went as planned at the beginning of the SVO. You yourself observed the change in the situation during it. All other questions should be addressed to the General Staff and the political leadership, only they have complete information about what is happening.

[cmax]

Quote: Montezuma

All other questions should be addressed to the General Staff and the political leadership, only they have complete information about what is happening

It seems to me that after 2 years of SVO, each of us has complete information about what is happening. Much could be added on the topic, but I will limit myself to what is written.

[tkoh]

Quote: Montezuma

Not everything went as planned at the beginning of the SVO.

Everything is going according to plan and according to schedule. Watch TV and listen to the president

[fiv]

Until you say something, you are the master of your words and deeds. As soon as you said something, your words became the masters of your affairs and you.

[bayard]

Quote: Fan-Fan

But why is there no clear explanation of the goals of the SVO?

They are named.

Quote: Fan-Fan

Why do goals change so often?

They are unchanged, you simply confused the stages of implementation/achievement of these goals with the goals themselves.
The goal is to ensure the security of Russia and prevent NATO infrastructure from becoming used.
The way to achieve this goal is the same “three De-”.
The intermediate stage of these “three De-” is the liberation of the Donbass republics from under fascist occupation and their cities from constant genocidal shelling.
These stages can also be divided into:
1) The minimum task is the liberation of the territories of Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson regions,
2) The optimal task is the liberation of the territory of the entire used one and carrying out complete denazification on its territory (destruction, arrest and trial by the Military Tribunal of all participants in the genocide of the Russian, Ukrainian and all other peoples of the used one, deportation of all their accomplices and the disloyal part of the population - in order to avoid relapses in the future), demilitarization (complete disarmament of all armed forces and security forces and the civilian population) and the abolition of all institutions of power of the illegal “state of Ukraine” on Russian Land. Not an inch of Russian Land to any impostors.
3) The maximum task is the expulsion of the entire NATO infrastructure to the borders of at least 1997. But since much has worsened since the voicing of Ryabkov’s “ultimatum”, now most likely - to the borders of 1945. In order to implement this part of the program, Russia has already withdrawn its signature under the agreement “On the Unification of Germany” - the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic ... Or rather, the absorption of the former by the latter. The agreement is DENONSED. And besides Russia, no one else (in the whole world) recognized Germany within its current borders. So the independence of the GDR will have to be returned.
This is the price of complicity in the crimes of the fascists of the Kyiv Junta.
Now these plans will be consistently implemented. And the longer the Kiev gang resists and destroys its people in a hopeless confrontation, the higher the price of this confrontation will be for the second-hand people. The so-called “Ukrainians” have already become “a horror among nations” and the most despised nation in the world (I’m talking about “political Ukrainians”). But it would seem that they just “entered the wrong door” in February 2014. And you can't get out. In truth - “input is a ruble, output is a million.”

[alystan]

Back then it was impossible to talk about it so directly. Now there is no other option.
Isn’t it clear that the West needs to preserve Ukraine in any form for its plans?

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Fan-Fan

The Supreme Commander generally incorrectly voiced the goals of this SVO. Some kind of denazification and other De. Couldn’t we tell the truth - we are starting the Northeast Military District in response to Ukraine’s desire to join NATO and Ukraine’s acutely hostile policy, so as not to have American missiles, tanks and planes at hand.

Yes, that would be it, there are no contradictions.
You just swapped your GOALS and the RIGITAL CAUSE.
If you look at the chronology of events, then in November 2021, Russia rolled out a ball to the collective West together with NATO, in which it pointed out what was unacceptable for us (i.e. exactly what you pointed out) -

Ukraine’s desire to join NATO and Ukraine’s acutely hostile policy, so as not to have American missiles, tanks and planes at hand.

, - and when this ball was pointedly ignored in December 2021, Russia announced the NWO on February 24.02.2022, XNUMX with the goal of “demilitarization and denazification.” So the Supreme One would have said everything correctly

[DrMad]

Where are you coming from? Do you want a real war?

[Machito]

Quote: alystan

It would be better to do without creating sanitary zones. And finish the job you started to the end.

What the hell is a sanitary zone?
Euro-fascist drones attack St. Petersburg, Nizhny Novgorod, Samara.
The sanitary zone is the liquidation of Nazi Ukraine as a territory.

[Berezin]

In order to plan sanitary zones, it is necessary to first determine where Russia will end after the NWO. Why, for example, are we now talking only about the Kharkov and Sumy regions? And Donetsk, Lugansk, Zaporozhye and Kherson are also Russia now. This means that the sanitary zones should affect the Dnipropetrovsk and Nikolaev regions, at a minimum. And the issue with the status of Nikolaev has already been resolved, will it not be in the Russian Federation? Is not a fact. And if so, then the Odessa region will fall under the sanitary zones. And so on. So the question about sanitary zones looks somewhat strange. This is not a working scheme

[Fatalist]

I don’t see any connection with the Turkish version at all. The sanitary zone should be done to the maximum _ on the western border of Ukraine, to the minimum_ somewhere on the borders of Westernism. Let the Poles and Magyars take on this hemorrhoids with the Westerners.

[fiv]

And they will be responsible for possible attacks from their territory. And if they can’t, we can help. By knowledge, for example.

[blackGRAIL]

Everyone has already forgotten, but the GDP started talking about creating a sanitary zone in June 2023. at a big conference. Things are still there today. If they could have created it, they would have created it long ago. This is the first one.
Secondly, there can be nothing in common with Turkey. Syria is not only inferior to Turkey militarily, it does not want/cannot afford escalation/conflict and is ready to reconcile and endure. Ukraine is ready to endure any losses just to bite Russia.

[Volunteer Marek]

What other buffer zone? This means the root of this evil will remain. And not only the root, but all evil! Will the SVO's goals be completely destroyed? And, our children and grandchildren will clean it all up? What blood? Shelling of our villages and cities has already become commonplace. The criminal Bandera regime and the Bandera state must be completely destroyed. All other half measures are fraught with our destruction.

[Huarabey]

The creation of a buffer zone does not at all equal the termination of the SVO. The SVO will continue, and a buffer zone will be created to prevent shelling of the civilian population.

[Fan-fan]

No buffer zone will be created. Strength and intelligence are not enough. To win, we need to change the country’s politics and military strategy, and for this we need to have professionals in the military-political leadership of the country. Unfortunately, with this leadership we will not win.

[Huarabey]

It’s just that you want to talk so much, like any dill and navalnenka. And a buffer zone will be created. Russia will achieve its goals.

[rocket757]

And yet... it turns out that SVO is... what is it?
We cannot protect our territory, our inhabitants by any available methods? So what?
If you look back at the history of wars/conflicts, then ALL serious politicians, military commanders, stated that the best defense is an attack and all sorts of “preventive measures”, this is the destruction of the enemy to a sufficient depth... i.e. the enemy should not have the opportunity use strike weapons against our territory, against our people!
In the current realities, a “sanitary zone” is... yes, consider that the entire territory is occupied by the enemy, because the means of attack have a long range!!!

[Turkey]

In my personal opinion, the main goal of everything that was happening was to increase the size of the Slavic population of Russia by several million, because in Russia there is a problem with demography, and replacing the Slavic population with Tajiks is just such an option. Several million residents of the East of Ukraine - Slavs - will become (or have already become) new citizens of Russia; for Russia this is already a major success.

[rocket757]

There is no doubt that the NWO is a serious matter and even such a limited impact has many, both primary tasks, primary tasks, and those that can be called, affected the future.
Another thing is that in our society, self-consciousness, which is clearly great-power, imperial, some half-measures cause outright misunderstanding and irritation!!! We also have wishes that will or will not be realized in the end.
Lack of understanding of what is being done, why and how is a serious reason for disagreement in society, distrust of the upper authorities... and this is in addition to everything else that, alas, we have!

[Nikolay310]

The quantitative increase occurred along with the territorial...

But in the Pskov region and Kostroma, no one lived, and no one lives...

Not to mention the deserted Far East...

[ergh081]

You are wrong to think so. And the Slavs have nothing to do with it; dozens of nationalities live peacefully in Russia. It’s just that they beat our people there, and we can’t stand it for a long time. By the way, there is an option - you can live as good neighbors, but who doesn’t want to - move further away, for example to Europe, America. We don’t need rude people here, we can be rude ourselves. If you want to test your strengths, let's see how it ends. By the way, this concerns all neighbors: NATO and non-NATO. Behave decently, don’t touch our people, trade and everything will be fine.

[goscha_04]

Russia needs to behave not based on the precedents of other countries, but on other countries adopting the precedents of Russia

[goscha_04]

The laws of the blue ball require redistribution, for the bourgeoisie of perestroika

[fa2998]

But what about the goals of the Northern Military District - demilitarization and denazification? After all, the creation of some kind of sanitary zone will simply push the enemy back a little. And his state policy will not change. Militarization will only grow, revanchism and nationalism.

[goscha_04]

It seems to me that here it’s like an appetite during meals, the denazification of Ukraine has not become enough for us, we need more

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: fa2998

But what about the goals of the Northern Military District - demilitarization and denazification? After all, creating some kind of sanitary zone will simply push the enemy back a little.

Said a little higher.
Everything is fine, there is no contradiction. Sanitary zone - up to Poland.

[Belisarius]

Quote: fa2998

But what about the goals of the Northern Military District - demilitarization and denazification?

Why discuss something that initially did not make the slightest sense. This is just noodles for the electorate. The goal of the Northern Military District is an agreement with Western partners; let me remind you that negotiations in Minsk began on the 4th day of the operation. The goal was failed. Putin was again “fooled by the nose.”
But this goal remains unchanged, only now achieving it is a hundred times more difficult than in March 2022, the enemy generally refuses to negotiate and demands surrender.

Quote: fa2998

After all, creating some kind of sanitary zone will simply push the enemy back a little

It is clear that this is just routine chatter. The point is that something needs to be said in response to the shooting of the “old” regions of Russia, so Mr. Putin says something after the elections. Moreover, he already said something similar 2 months ago after the massacre of people in Belgorod. Of course, it only got worse. However, now we are in such a dead end, in such a situation that not even actions, but simply words different from the usual endless complaints about the evil Zelensky already look like a revelation.
At least calls to at least push the enemy aside is already better than ordinary nothing.

[Essex62]

Even moving it away will be difficult. In fact, this is another front. Where can we get troops? And in light of the enemy’s latest statements about the introduction of NATO troops to the outskirts, the transfer of combat-ready units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to this front from the areas they replaced, the task will become difficult to accomplish. And the chances that they will get in are very high. There is nothing to interfere with. They cross all the wrestlers' red lines with ease. The West, after Istanbul, completely lost its fear.

[Turkey]

And no one, importantly, in NATO is calling on Turkish troops to leave these territories.

The author, apparently, is not aware that the United States does not allow Turkey to complete this buffer zone and constantly interferes with possible military operations. Türkiye cannot conduct military operations where US troops are stationed. Exactly the same situation could happen in Ukraine, if the French or Poles send an army there. They will stand hundreds of kilometers from the front line and that’s it, Russia will not be able to advance further.

[goscha_04]

Exactly the same situation could happen in Ukraine, if the French or Poles send an army there.

This is stupidity even because it’s being shoved everywhere, just regular media news.

[Huarabey]

As they rise, so they lie down. Do you think that after the official entry of NATO troops into the outskirts, no one will dare to touch them? This will be the official beginning of direct participation of NATO countries in the conflict. And this will entail, at a minimum, the use of tactical nuclear weapons against these troops.

[Essex62]

Are you ready for heaven yet? Have you made an agreement with your relatives? Parents and children, do you agree to finish everything in this world?

[Berezin]

I’m afraid that none of the super militant commentators think about the fact that you can really “go to heaven.” The main thing is to give advice, but who and how will carry it out is another, not “my” question.

[Huarabey]

What is this question? How will my readiness affect anything?

[Essex62]

Well, how about it? Are you talking about the use of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian Federation?
It is obvious to everyone, including the towers, that the Russian Federation’s use of nuclear weapons will entail an immediate response from its partners. Behind the puddle they are just waiting for this. A violent apocalypse on our continent, with the preservation of their continent, is the dream of the Freemasons. The Yankees' use of tactical nuclear weapons may or may not entail an exchange of nuclear weapons. They believe in the latter and the wrestlers know this and they don’t want to go to heaven. All these escapades for the electorate. Why the hell should the bourgeoisie die? They have a very sweet life in this world.

[Huarabey]

I am saying that if NATO troops officially enter the outskirts, the use of tactical nuclear weapons will be inevitable. I am not calling for its use, I am only saying that all bridges will be burned when NATO troops officially enter the outskirts. There will be no choice left. And they (the West) understand this very well. I don’t believe in the fable that they are not afraid of Russia’s response. Otherwise, the soldiers of NATO countries would already have fought officially and in full force.

[Essex62]

But it, NATO, is not homogeneous. And for those who, beyond the puddle, pit the geyropa against Russia in the war, it promises huge profits. The situation has changed, the USSR, as the main competitor, remains in the form of fragments, and even in the Civil War, which means the Freemasons no longer need Europe. And yet, for whom is the answer? By paddling pools, poles, gypsies, boches? Yes, as much as they want, that’s what they strive for.

[Huarabey]

Well, I agree here. I also think that the Yankees are planning to pit Europe against Russia, even to the point of exchanging nuclear strikes, while they themselves hope to sit it out. But I don't think it will work. It is unlikely that when European ballistic missiles are launched, ours will not respond at all to everyone, but only, exclusively to Europe. It won't matter to Russia anymore. Because if you don’t respond to the USA, they will survive and will definitely come to finish you off. So the amers won’t be able to rebound.

[Essex62]

There are enough tactical nuclear weapons in the territory of the geyropa. And the Gay European NATO has it. That's what we're talking about. Nuclear war limited (to the Eurasian continent). The doctrine is already overgrown with moss, but is still relevant to this day. The towers may only decide to shoot beyond the puddle when they see that the kirdyk is coming.

[Huarabey]

Yes, if an exchange of blows even with tactical nuclear weapons begins, this will already mean that the kirdyk is coming. There is, of course, one chance to avoid all this if you first hit the deployed NATO troops, not tactical nuclear weapons, but ODAB 9000, as a “last Chinese warning,” but if they don’t leave after that, then that’s it, a nuclear apocalypse is guaranteed.

[Essex62]

It seems to me that they seriously decided to finish us off at the convention. The use of super-powerful conventional charges will not solve the problem. You will still have to butt heads, head-on, on the ground and in the sky. And this is not in our favor. The industrial potential is too unequal.

[Huarabey]

So the fact of the matter is that the outcome of the “convection” is practically clear. The forces are not at all equal. That is why we must immediately put an end to the official introduction of NATO to the outskirts. Because after the test stone, without receiving a worthy answer, NATO will attack Russia from all sides.

[Essex62]

This problem has no solution. Either way, we are the losers. Either defeat in the conventional game, or commit suicide by using the loaf on your partners, taking your adversary with you to Valgala. The result of the itch among some non-Soviet citizens of the USSR for free speculation and, as an inevitable consequence, the collapse of the Empire.

[Huarabey]

No. There is another option. There will be no conventionality and they will not go to the outskirts so as not to commit suicide and end up in the Valhala. They have a choice. We don't have it.

[Essex62]

That's it. The blue ones will be pushed towards us with a high probability. There are adequate ones in the paddock. A friend of mine is going to leave Germany with his family and return. Moreover, the children supported, having a good job and salary, it’s very difficult for a normal person there.

[Huarabey]

Well, I don’t know... Personally, I don’t think that’s all. I'm not sure that "well-fed Europeans" will want to get into this mess. To show off in words is one thing, but to come to a place from where you can actually return in a coffin is completely different. What will they begin to exchange their lives for, if we talk about conventional war? To the war for who knows? Are there many people there who really know how to fight and have experience in military operations? And if they try to fight in such a way as not to risk infantry, and use something like carpet bombing, then this again will lead directly to the use of tactical nuclear weapons by Russia. In general, everything is not so simple here, both for us and for them.

[Essex62]

And no one will ask them. Moreover, rear-wheel drive vehicles have a shifted consciousness. They have no responsibility for their offspring, including their survival. And there is no problem in training a competent person using modern means of destruction. The conflict with NATO will not be similar to our military forces, with positional butting of infantry. Axes with TNT filling will fly to Leningrad right away. The enclave will end in a matter of hours, and so on.
Do you remember why the Wehrmacht Lane did this? They didn’t want to live? Pyrvitinchik and psychological pumping.

[Huarabey]

So then the Wehrmacht had a bunch of people from the First World War, which was yesterday, by historical standards. And now there are completely different generations who have not seen war.

[Essex62]

So the war is different. Get yourself some mopeds. Some rivet in thousands, others shoot them, and there is no training in how to survive, shoot accurately, think tactically, etc. Only the Chinese will be able to cope with such a war, but they will not harness themselves for us. On the contrary, they will wait for our corpse to pass by and frolic to their hearts in Siberia and the Far East.
And we don’t see war. With the exception of the Donetsk ones, almost all of them were mowed down.

[tkoh]

Quote: Warabey

This will be the official beginning of direct participation of NATO countries in the conflict. And this will entail, at a minimum, the use of tactical nuclear weapons against these troops.

In Syria, were the Amers or the Turks touched? But barmalei nest in the territory under their control

[Huarabey]

Syria and the outskirts seem to be somewhat different things. No?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Türkiye

They will stand hundreds of kilometers from the front line and that’s it, Russia will not be able to advance further

I’m embarrassed to ask why Russia won’t be able to advance?
If the Russian army advances 50 km, then the French and Poles move back 50 km to maintain distance. And so on to the Polish border.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

You are wrong. Any troops on the territory of Ukraine will become a legitimate target for attacks from Russia, no matter whether they are French or Americans.

[Essex62]

And this legitimate goal will respond in such a way that it won’t seem like much. Even in the towers they understand that modern Russia is not ready to compete with NATO in open confrontation. The result will be an exchange of loaves and a curtain.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

this legitimate goal will respond so well that it won’t seem a little

What, interesting? Will they send aircraft carriers to the Belarusian Sea? Will they train some secret NATO prodigies?

[Essex62]

And with all that they have been preparing for decades for war with the USSR. Have you seen enough TV? Propaganda about the West’s inability to fight is for housewives and pimply people. There are high technologies and huge industrial and scientific potential. And we, in the conventional world, cannot even bring a fragment of our territory to reason. We've been messing around for years.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

everything that they have been preparing for decades for war with the USSR

For example? How exactly can France or Latvia crush Russia? The remaining NATO countries are somehow not eager to fight directly.

[Essex62]

Pointless dispute. They are torn, very torn. Everything is going step by step. First first aid kits - helmets, then long-range Artillery, MBT and air defense, with their crews. Further more . They tell you in plain text that Russia will not be allowed to remove the abscess. You do not believe? In vain.
I suggest folding the discus. “Think, and not just wave a saber” (c)

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Essex62

I suggest folding the discus

Roll it up.
Although I never saw an answer to my question.

[Essex62]

Which one? How will the Balts fight against us? Think, comrade, think.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

So, you want to say that Nata is ready to burn in nuclear fire for the sake of Ukraine? Or for what? They are not idiots; they probably understand that a war against Russia will end in death for them.

[Essex62]

NATA she is different. Mattresses have their own purposes, geyropes have others. Among the puppeteers there are those who want to take on weak wrestlers on our continent. Do you seriously think that the Russian Federation will use everything at once when trying to get into the outskirts with contingents of paddling pools, psheks, gypsies, nemchuras? And right there, behind the puddle?
The words are menacing and beautiful for... well, I don’t even know for what or for whom. Do you think our oligarchy doesn’t want to live? You don’t mold fighters into unbending monsters. They will press the button only when they realize that that’s it. If they have time.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

The button today is not with the oligarchy, but with another tower of the Kremlin.

[Essex62]

Yah? Blessed is he who believes.

[Yuri Vasilyev]

Nata is the USA, the rest are backup dancers and are absolutely not subjective.

[Essex62]

It’s these non-subjective ones who are being shoved at us. And they themselves will sit behind a puddle, as always.

[ZovSailor]

Get hurt! One must think that this political statement of the Russian Federation was agreed upon and voiced by the Supreme Commander himself!
We can only guess the motives and objectives!
It is naive to think that all previously used precedents in the world will be used by the Russian Federation!
I am sure that we will deliver an asymmetrical strike, which is still unknown to the false West,
just checking his reaction for today!
The chessboard of the world this year will change quickly, and the globe, instead of slowing down, will rotate in favor of the Russian Federation and its allies and partners, the Global South, BRICS, SCO, CSTO!
Victory is always a pleasant time, but it is achieved through self-sacrifice of strength and spirit
The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the Northern Military District, the entire multinational and multi-confessional people of the Russian Federation!

[Zoer]

Quote: ZovSailor

One must think that this political statement of the Russian Federation was agreed upon and voiced by the Supreme Commander himself!

So it was the main one, level 87, who said it. But I don’t understand where the goals of denazification and demilitarization suddenly disappeared? All that remained was the corridor. But I don’t understand, WHO will live in this corridor? Or is there supposed to be a scorched desert there, like in Syria, with ISIS gangs?
Do you have any idea what this guarantor carries?

[Vladimir M]

It seems that no one was going to carry out denazification and demilitarization in the normal sense of the word from the very beginning. So scare the West (USA and Britain). Roughly speaking, for the West to return the conditional yacht to the conditional Abramovich. Well, put a godfather on the board in Ukraine. But they didn’t take into account a small nuance - the West knew perfectly well about all our plans, was ready, and had its own plans for the Northern Military District.

[cloner]

They wanted to take over the West. But the West did not fall for our bluff. In the end, we have what we have.

[PC]

The price for all this is too high for us.

[PC]

It's as if he's doing something like this for the first time.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

I don’t understand where the goals of denazification and demilitarization suddenly disappeared

I also don’t understand why you decided that the goals of denazification and demilitarization had evaporated.
It's like one contradicts the other. It is quite possible to do both and not abandon it.

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

I also don’t understand why you decided that the goals of denazification and demilitarization had evaporated.
It's like one contradicts the other. It is quite possible to do both and not abandon it.

Explain to me, orphan, why we need a sanitary corridor with a denazified and demilitarized Ukraine?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

why do we need a sanitary corridor with a denazified and demilitarized Ukraine?

Is all of Ukraine already denazified and demilitarized? When it becomes like this, then no corridors will be needed, naturally. In the meantime, why not. Again, there is something to discuss - both for Western politicians, and for the Ukrainian military, and for our turbo-guard patriots on the forums.

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Is all of Ukraine already denazified and demilitarized? When it becomes like this, then no corridors will be needed, naturally. In the meantime, why not.

So for the THIRD year now they have been trying to push back the Armed Forces of Ukraine just so that Donetsk and the Belgorod region would not be shelled. So, how are the results? And then the GDP blurted out ANOTHER time in the election frenzy, and then a corridor appeared? Yes, no corridor is needed, what is needed is the defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the capitulation of Ze and Co., this is understandable to anyone with even the slightest bit of brain. No corridors will provide security from drones, which are already flying thousands of kilometers deep into the Russian Federation and hitting cities. Hymers hit 150-300 km. Storms and scalps are even further away. How long will we make the corridor? To the Polish border? All these cries about corridors are the babble of an impotent man.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

blah blah blah

You should go to an anti-Putin rally...

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

Quote: Zoer
blah blah blah

You should go to an anti-Putin rally...

Well, the fact that you didn’t have any arguments is understandable. But writing for your opponent in your own way is already rudeness and lack of culture.
and why aren’t you on the square yet, celebrating the bright 146% victory of the nullified?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

you didn't have any arguments

I agree, I have no and cannot have any arguments against your stream of consciousness.
In this regard, I will be very glad to say goodbye to you...

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

I agree, I have no and cannot have any arguments against your stream of consciousness.
In this regard, I will be very glad to say goodbye to you...

It's always like this. You start to explain to the next turbo-confusing person in detail and remember all the great “achievements” and “victories” of the sun-faced one, and immediately their brain is torn apart by cognitive dissonance and they merge, so as not to traumatize their thin psyche.

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

I have no arguments and cannot have any.

Well, here's another argument for you...

Footage of the consequences of another Ukrainian shelling of Belgorod, which has become daily and, apparently, completely ordinary for some.

A large border regional center is gradually turning into an analogue of Donetsk.

The early morning strike reportedly injured at least three people, including a child who was seriously injured.

War Informant

It was the 3rd year of the war...

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

blah blah blah

I thought you left. Imagine my pleasure at the fact that this is not the case.

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

blah blah blah

I see you are learning well from your idol!

[Zoer]

Quote from: nik-mazur

blah blah blah

https://www.fontanka.ru/2024/03/19/73351877/

Thousands of children from the Belgorod region will be taken to other regions of Russia due to shelling by the Ukrainian Armed Forces. This was stated on March 19 by the regional governor Vyacheslav Gladkov at a meeting of the presidium of the General Council of United Russia.

“Now we are planning to remove about 9 thousand children from Belgorod, Belgorodsky district, Shebekinsky district, Grayvoronsky district. 22 [March] - 1,2 thousand children travel to Penza, Tambov and Kaluga. Next is the Stavropol Territory,” the TASS state agency quotes the words of the head of the region.

It looks like things didn't go very well with the corridor either...
But you keep throwing your caps into the air.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Zoer

you learn well from your idol... keep throwing your caps into the air

Do you only know how to make diagnoses over the Internet or can you also treat them?

[Thrifty]

As I understand it, the Kremlin will continue to act with an eye on its “respected partners”? The key word here is “may” - there are promises to the public that cannot be fulfilled. This is like, for example, the authorities may consider the option of renaming the city of Volgograd to Stalingrad! The main thing here is to promise that the average person will fall for this crap, but no one will keep their promises anyway! From these words it follows that Putin has firmly decided to limit himself to accepting only 4 regions, and the rest from the category “may”, that is, will remain part of the Ukrainian army, and the shelling of our cities will be eternal, because missiles and drones are not flying en masse at the Kremlin, why worry about some Belgorod region or Bryansk region? Is this harmful? Having served 24 years in power, bother yourself with worries....

[Zoer]

Wow. What about denazification and demilitarization? Is the country already fighting just for the corridor?

[Belisarius]

In principle, the idea is not bad. But in order to take advantage of Turkey’s experience regarding Syria, it is necessary do what Türkiye did, namely, it denied Assad the legitimacy of power and does not consider him and his government to be the authority representing the population of Syria. Moreover, this should have been done before the operation, and not two years after it began. After all, this is what creates a legal precedent for the operation, which in this case is interpreted as the liberation of Syria and not as its territorial seizure.
If, as in our case, we recognize Zelensky’s government, then such an approach will be clearly interpreted as aggression. But in general, of course, it’s not too late to correct your mistake even after two years.
PS There is one more question here - in the case of Syria, we recognize and support Assad, but we condemn Turkey with its logic. So some ethical questions will arise here.

[Berezin]

Comparison with the Turkish version is not correct, perhaps from a military point of view, but not from a political one. There are Kurds, whose problem is bothering both Turkey and Syria. But on the other hand, the Kurds are a huge people who do not have their own country. This is worse than Palestine.

[Berezin]

Dear Belisarius, we need to declare that we do not recognize the power of the Zelensky clique, that’s all, and everything will be legitimate? When he won the elections quite democratically, what reasons were there not to recognize, especially given his relatively peace-loving program? And then his program changed beyond recognition. And what should we do, deny him the legitimacy of the elections? And on what basis? And in general, what does this give in the grand scheme of things? Now the West doesn’t recognize Putin’s elections, so what? But legally they are legitimate, but they do not recognize them. So, in reality, these confessions - not confessions - give little. By the way, Zelensky’s legitimacy seems to end in May. And what will this give us? Nothing.

[Belisarius]

Quote: Berezin

And what should we do, deny him the legitimacy of the elections? And on what basis? And in general, what does this give in the grand scheme of things?

These are important questions, thank you. Let me explain. Zelensky’s legitimacy should have been denied before surgery . The reason is obvious; there is no need to invent anything here. The shooting of Donbass, failure to implement the Minsk agreements, genocide of one’s own people.
This introduced our operation into the legal field and gave her goal . An example is when the United States was going to overthrow Gaddafi and destroy socialist Libya, they first declared him illegitimate because he was supposedly a dictator and was killing the opposition, and then they started bombing. By this, they formally fought not against Libya, much less wanting to seize it, but fought against the regime, supposedly for her freedom. Turkey acted exactly the same way in the case of Syria, and after the Second World War, everyone always acted (including the USSR). It's as simple and logical as breathing. And only our authorities managed to do everything the other way around (they attacked Ukraine while recognizing Zelensky and the territorial integrity of Ukraine), thereby legally we are pure aggressors, and our operation has no goal. For the internal electorate - mythical “demilitarization” and “denazification”, for the external electorate - “historical” claims to land. But this is a complete disaster, it only aggravates our situation. Of course, now time is lost, but still need to fix the error . Otherwise there are no strategic prospects.

Quote: Berezin

Now the West doesn’t recognize Putin’s elections, so what? But legally they are legitimate, but they do not recognize them.

You are confusing legality with legitimacy. Legality is legality, legitimacy is whether you represent your people, whether they support you. Power can be completely legal (legal according to its own laws, that is, legally) but not legitimate. Non-recognition of legitimacy provides a wide field for the development of conflict from simply a lack of relations with a given government (in the outside world) to aggression.

[Oleg Apushkin]

Such articles are published periodically, but they all have one basis, the Korean scenario, our government is unable to localize the threat and transfers this problem with all the ensuing consequences to our children and grandchildren. The proverb (a bad peace is better than a good war) does not fit here. Ironically, the author of this proverb, Cicero, was executed.

[Fan-fan]

So I think that these seventy-year-old grandfathers will die, and our children will have to deal with the problems they created. They leave a “good gift” for their ancestors. If they had won quickly, then it would be a different matter, but victory and the end of this SVO are not in sight.

[gribanov.c]

gribanov56.livejournal.com/16314.html
Korean script

[Montezuma]

Quote: Türkiye

Türkiye cannot conduct military operations where US troops are stationed

This is also an interesting question: on what basis are US troops located in Syria? The Syrian government of Assad did not invite them. Moreover, they are located in oil production areas.

[Essex62]

Because the right of the strong. Assad does not have the strength to kick them out of there, and the Sultan is forced to put up with it.

[Non-fighter]

Someone already wrote here that if they have at least one hectare left on which they can put artillery pieces/MLRS/launch drones, then they will terrorize the entire territory within the range of action. This is not a verbatim quote, but I hope I conveyed the meaning.

[Nikolay310]

How will people live in these buffer zones? Which state does it belong to???

Isn’t it easier not to fence the garden and reunite with Ukraine completely?

[Cat Alexandrovich]

Putin said about the sanitary zone so that the West has something to talk about. Like Macron with his statements for us. While some will chatter, others will fight.

[Berezin]

Sanzona and Macron’s troops are semantically close in their uncertainty. Although...This is what we will do if Ukraine officially asks and Macron sends in troops. Not on a real LBS at the moment, but for example on the border with Belarus. And the Ukrainians will transfer their units from there to the eastern front. Or even worse, not to the Belarusian border, but to the Russian one, say in the Chernigov or even Sumy region. They stand and do nothing to us. Will these officially deployed Macron troops be our legitimate target? And Ukraine will again transfer its units to the eastern front. The same is true on the Black Sea coast. It’s true that in this case, it seems that attacks by sea drones should stop. Otherwise, we will have a reason to attack Odessa and Nikolaev, including the French. But perhaps the West will force Zelensky to come to terms with the loss of Crimea. So Macron’s model has potential.

[axren1]

The Turks just know that only the weak make excuses...

[Luenkov]

The security zone also works in relation to Belarus. That's how I see it.

[Luenkov]

Quote: Nikolay310

How will people live in these buffer zones? Which state does it belong to???

Isn’t it easier not to fence the garden and reunite with Ukraine completely?

What to connect with? Are we going to raise revolutions and this “Moskalyak to Gilyak” together?

[cloner]

Russia can't do anything. If I could I would have done it a long time ago. We all want to agree on something. Oh well. Let's wait for everything that can be flown not only around Belgorod, but also into the depths of the country. The prerequisites are already there. UAVs are already flying 1000 km from the border. It doesn’t matter who launches them, ours or the Ukrainians. It’s just that the further you go, the deeper the shelling will go.

[Nastia makarova]

there will definitely be.........

[Zoer]

Quote: Klonser

Russia can't do anything. If I could I would have done it a long time ago. We all want to agree on something.

Russia can do a lot of things, and there is a means. But the drivers don’t want to use their hands, yes. Or rather, they want, but only to come to an agreement with Western partners...

[Soul of Russia87]

Somehow the vocabulary of the Northern Military District is gradually changing from demilitarization and denazification to some kind of “sanitary” zones. As funny as it is, I only have hope for Zelya’s inability to negotiate and repelled hatred of Russia. I hope he won’t allow any agreements to happen! Otherwise it will be a rotting ulcer for decades!!! Not war and not peace, but some kind of surreal! Belgorod has already arrived in the Donetsk regiment, who is next?

[PC]

They don’t forget the Kursk and Bryansk regions. He also flies often.

[Soul of Russia87]

Yes, the entire border area is on fire, soon people will scratch their heads and start running away from there. These are the ready-made sanitary zones?

[tkoh]

Quote: Soul of Russia87

Yes, the entire border area is on fire, soon people will scratch their heads and start running away from there.

Recent elections have shown that people like everything

[sdivt]

If the implementation of the “plan” to create a sanitary zone takes place, then Kyiv may lose control over at least 15 thousand square meters. km of territory in Kharkov and Sumy regions

Another word game...
What kind of sanitary zone? How is it organized?
I do not understand something? Isn’t it necessary, first of all, to push the Ukrainian Armed Forces out of there?
Or will they themselves, having learned about Putin’s speech, leave?
The Northern Military District is in its third year, and we are still unable to take full control over the territories of the LPR/DPR, which is where the Northern Military District actually began
For a month we walk a few meters, with blood and sweat, and suddenly - oops! Kyiv, it turns out, will lose 15 thousand sq km tomorrow...
The higher the office, the greater the separation from the reality of what is happening...

[Village]

20-40 kilometers in that direction, first ask everyone to evacuate within 24 hours, and then everything that moves suspiciously... Well, you get the idea.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

within 24 hours, and then everything that moves suspiciously... Well, you understand

No, we didn’t understand. For the third year, we can’t move anything in the forest plantations, but now, after the speeches of Chrysostom, we can suddenly go as deep as 40 km. Well, well, blessed is he who believes. In general, with such believers, 87% is quite understandable.

[Village]

No, we didn’t understand.

I think it's easier to track and hit when there are no distractions. When every movement will be considered a military target, and there will be no need to examine from all sides who is driving there, and what kind of camp is wandering along the road.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

I think it's easier to track and hit when there are no distractions. When every movement will be considered a military target, and there will be no need to examine from all sides who is driving there, and what kind of camp is wandering along the road.

Excuse me, how old are you? It feels like 12 years, 14 at the most...

[Village]

Excuse me, how old are you?

And you are probably the same general who knows how to do it? Come here and show everyone how things should be done.
I expressed my vision of the situation as I see it, and I’m not trying to be clever. And your sarcasm is completely inappropriate here. Uncle.

[Zoer]

Quote: Village

I expressed my vision of the situation as I see it, and I’m not trying to be clever.

So there is no need to try and be clever. You just need to watch the reports, videos and draw conclusions. In this war, ALL positions, and even the number of the enemy in each of them, are well known to the military. But there is a very lack of effective means of destruction. Only now, with the massive use of FABs with UMPC, there seemed to be an advantage, and they were able to take Avdievka and five more villages. And here you are making up some kind of fairy tales about a 40 km corridor over a thousand km. Yes, several RZSO installations near Belgorod have not been able to suppress for a month now. Or do you think it’s difficult to distinguish RZSO from Lada cars? Or is she moving poorly? Well, do you need to have at least a little consideration?

[PC]

Don’t just create a sanitary zone, but strike so that not a single chubby guy is left there! And it’s time to annex the Sumy region to Russia. And there is no point in looking back at NATO!

[guest]

Due to enemy shelling, Moscow may at some point be forced to create a sanitary zone in the current Ukrainian territories.

But 2 years ago we had this zone, but some wanted to make a “gesture of goodwill”, the results of which we are now reaping, and even then I wrote that this would happen.

[PC]

These "gestures of goodwill" are a disgrace!

[Fan-fan]

There is a lot of shame here, Kharkov was given away, Kherson was given away, Sumy and Chernigov regions were given away. They stood in the suburbs of Kyiv and it was all in vain. Now we won’t hear the truth about this SVO, but in the future it will be difficult to hide this shame.

[75 Sergey]

Sabotage?

The text of my comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, contains a lot of useful information.

[guest]

Quote: 75Sergey

Sabotage?

It is possible, especially if you look closely at who the real initiator was.

[75 Sergey]

Someone needed this, I wonder, will we find out who recommended it?

[guest]

Quote: 75Sergey

Someone needed this, I wonder, will we find out who recommended it?

Well, actually it’s not such a big secret; the name of the main initiator of this shame begins with a.

[75 Sergey]

Woman?



The text of my comment is too short and, in the opinion of the site administration, is offensive.

[guest]

Quote: 75Sergey

Woman?

Who? I didn't quite understand the question.

[Natalya Kotovna]

buffer zone. These are our contract soldiers again who will go to die for 30 rubles without gubernatorial payments of 000 rubles, without benefits. Since this is not a military district, and not a war. So what will happen then? my husband is not at home, no money. I got it, I need to eat, I need uniforms, I need to build material. I want my husband to be an assistant, and somewhere in the SVO, AND MINE is fighting back the Ukrainians at the border, taking risks and he is not a person and the guys also DO YOU THINK MOTIVATING THEM that families are without a husband and money, and the children are divided into their own and simply contract

[BorzRio]

This is a dead end path. Drones from ukrov already fly 900 km. Further more. Kyiv will soon be given missiles up to 300-500 km. And later even more in range. How wide does the boss want the buffer zone? At 1000 km? Now the troops are taking 1 km with great blood with the opornik. We cannot drive away the rabble from the border. Cities and villages are under artillery fire every day. How long are they going to move the buffer zone like this? 15 years? And what will it contain - only defensive lines and air defense? Will there be no population there? Only lunar landscape? There are two options: to clear and occupy all of Ukraine up to the NATO borders, or to reach a peaceful agreement. The first is not physically realistic, the second is a postponement of an even bloodier war with the prepared NATO.

[75 Sergey]

What we are talking about, if to the end, is general mobilization and transfer of the economy to a war footing, otherwise it was not worth starting.
Time is running out; in 2025 it will be critically difficult.

[Essex62]

You cannot occupy your territory. There is no Ukraine, there is the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic. The Belovezhskaya Conspiracy, state criminals, has no legal force. The change in the political system in the RSFSR, Ukrainian SSR, BSSR and other republics of the Union was rejected by the referendum.
I completely agree with everything else.

[BorzRio]

Russia officially recognized the sovereignty of Ukraine. Established diplomatic relations. Everything is legal. Forgot? We must live for what is now, and not for what once was.

[Essex62]

Who established this relationship? Those who themselves received power from the usurper? Legally, the USSR continues to exist, because the Soviet people decided so in a referendum.

[75 Sergey]

Wait, we are going to liberate Kharkov, so what are we talking about, and the Sums...?

[km-21]

I did not understand.
Is Russia still going to justify itself for its actions in Ukraine?
In this case, everything leads to the fact that reparations will have to be paid.

[vadim_ivanov]

Turks, yes. America, yes. Russia can’t, nothing can be done, and in principle nothing can be done

[the same doctor]

Still, lawyers are not suitable for war. We have to fight and win, but they are looking for arguments and precedents. They are making excuses for themselves...
Victory will write off everything, and after defeat they will hang you, and no precedents will help.

[Ivan№One]

Turkey has the strength to do this, that’s all
Kurds are just Kurds

[Fangaro]

Podolyak who? Zelensky's announcer. It is unlikely that he is better than most of the rabid people from the Rada, but it is also not worth considering that he personally thinks so and is oppressed by his policies.
He should make an offer. Which he cannot refuse. It doesn’t matter whether it’s from the Ministry of Finance or the Foreign Intelligence Service. And there will be resignation for personal reasons.
Will the new one be better? It depends on our ability to make an offer that is difficult to refuse.

[storm]

A strong reaction was caused by the words of Vladimir Putin that due to shelling from the enemy, Moscow may be forced at a certain moment to create a sanitary zone in the current Ukrainian territories.

So, it was necessary to wait two years until the Ukrainian Armed Forces demolished the border Belgorod and Kursk villages and cities in order to realize the need to create a “sanitary security zone” ....
Of course, age is understandable, but you need to think and act faster...

[BorzRio]

Let’s get used to the fact that in Russia, only victorious reports quickly go to the president. Everything else is thought out, agreed upon and verified over the years.

[Shamil88]

Try to create a buffer zone now, do you think you were wasting your time? They spent a whole year building fortified areas along the entire border and mined every meter, it’s easy to say, at this pace and method of carrying out the air defense, we will be knocking them out of there for years, there is neither the strength nor the means for this, and all the blame lies entirely with those who gave the order for the regrouping from the Kharkov region, those who started ostentatious and useless exercises in the Far East with the Chinese when there was a catastrophic shortage of personnel in the Kharkov region and actually fled from there, leaving hundreds of pieces of equipment for the enemy.

[aszzz888]

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Try creating a buffer zone now,

We won’t “try”, we’ll create it right away. To Lvov. Arranges?

[BorzRio]

You say it as if you personally would do it and immediately But seriously, the war has been going on for three years now, and we can’t get to Kharkov, let alone Lvov. The World Cup fleet completely escaped from Sevastopol. We must not blabber with our tongues that here we are, and just before Lvov, but realistically and competently destroy the enemy. And we must start with the command in Kyiv.

[aszzz888]

Thus, Western experts believe that in order to create a sanitary zone, Russia can deprive Ukraine approximately 27-28 percent the territory of these two regions, namely a fairly wide strip along the border.

Let's round up to 50 or 70 percent!

[gribanov.c]

That is, a buffer state, as I said

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote from gribanow.c

That is, a buffer state, as I said

Your red line is in the wrong place. Should along Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania.

[Ivanov IV]

"Russia CAN take advantage"?????
If “it can”, then why doesn’t it do it???? The Turks did not ask anyone.
And generally speaking. Please note that our politicians and military men do nothing but run their mouths. In a word - empty nesters.
Only Shoigu, on the TV screen, scared all his “partners” a hundred times with tears in his eyes.
DO IT!!!
Fed up with our CAN......
Who is there: Maybe he doesn’t want to = IDIOT.

[Vladimirius]

why this meaningless chatter, why do you need to justify your every step, if anyway they will interpret it as they need, and not us, there is no need to turn into idle talkers, now is the time for action, the time for talking is long gone

[BIGLESHIY]

By creating a sanitary/buffer zone along the Russian border, we must occupy the territory with settlements on it. The population in this territory will be under our protection, there is no other way. Banderlogs will terrorize the population of these territories; they cannot do otherwise. This means that it will be necessary to create a sanitary/buffer zone for this territory, the population of which will hold a referendum on joining Russia (voluntarily). So we’ll get to Lvov.

[Atlas]

What kind of incomprehensible statements from the president????
The entire territory of Ukraine, including the Vinnitsa and Zhitomir regions, should become Russia, the rest should be given to the Poles, Hungarians, etc. It is the transfer of the remaining territories under the control of NATO countries that somehow guarantees silence on the border. If Ukraine remains in the form of at least several regions, there will be no peace!!!!
There will be constant arrivals and provocations from its territory, with the simultaneous pumping of weapons. This hornet's nest will become more dangerous every year.
And all the same, sooner or later Ukraine will have to be eliminated as a state.
My personal opinion is from the very beginning of the SVO.

[fa2998]

Quote: Essex62

In fact, this is another front.

There, at the front, part of the 3rd region is essentially in the hands of Ukraine. Moreover, the two local capitals are there. And there are battles everywhere. To launch an offensive in the north - with what forces?

[Chack wessel]

What's left is a complete trifle. It’s even inconvenient to talk about it: we now need to decide how to create this “sanitary zone”.

[Army General]

Hi!
This means that Ukraine will be divided according to the Syrian scenario.

Perhaps there is already an agreement with Turkey that their peacekeeping forces can be invited by Russia to control the buffer zones-regions.
Those. If the Ukrainian Armed Forces hit our people, the Turkish peacekeepers will also be hit.

And then there will be peacekeepers from Romania, Hungary, Poland, and the division of Ukraine will be resolved.
And Türkiye will be on our side.

[baytygan]

Most likely, the sanitary zone means the Kursk, Bryansk, Belgorod regions...

[AntonR7]

No need for sanitary zones. Simply return Russian lands to Russia and there will be peace for Russia.

[blackcat]

A sanitary zone is needed up to the western borders of Ukraine, and the most thorough disinfection of these territories, otherwise a repetition of this nationalist infection is inevitable

[Maluck]

I listened to a survey of Kiev residents on the street, quite recent, on the topic of whether it is worth negotiating, Western aid and who will win..... So the number of stubborn people there has not decreased at all and they need to be treated exclusively with surgical methods. Of course, there are those who think differently and hibernate in their kitchens, but still the general mood is the same. Therefore, I personally am in favor of not being too constrained by the question of what targets to hit. And the sooner their energy infrastructure falls into rubble, the sooner the people will become enlightened.