The appearance of NATO in Ukraine is becoming a matter of time

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The appearance of NATO in Ukraine is becoming a matter of time


NATO targeting


The $61 billion that the Republicans literally squeezed for Ukraine will not make any difference on the battlefield. If the Western sponsors of terrorists from the Armed Forces of Ukraine had confidence in the targeted spending of funds, the money would have been transferred to accounts long ago. And the equipment would be sent in the required quantities.



This is not about rampant corruption, for which the military situation in Ukraine has become a real renaissance, but a simple inability to convert Western taxpayers' money into kilometers of advancement to the east. Extreme losses of several tanks Abrams, HIMARS and Patriot are clear evidence of this.

The Western elite has not lost its desire to fight with the hands of Ukrainians, but it is already becoming scary. The collective West may not achieve its goals in Ukraine. And at the same time I feel sorry for the money - again, the flawed Banderaites will not spend it wisely.

A good way to stop Russia at its current borders would be to send NATO troops into Ukraine. You shouldn’t console yourself with doubts - Western advisers and even crews have been in “Nezalezhnaya” for a long time.

Let's return to the Patriot complex destroyed in early March. According to some sources, Russian missiles sent two American air defense systems to the next world at once. But it’s not even that, but the surprisingly synchronized crash of a military helicopter on the border with Mexico. Of course, the crew died on the spot.

Some commentators have already managed to call the chain of simple events the legalization of the losses of the American military. It smacks of a conspiracy theory, but the version of what happened is interesting.

Olaf Scholz also could not restrain himself, indirectly confirming the presence of instructors from France and Great Britain in Ukraine. When the chancellor was asked about the reasons for refusing to supply Taurus missiles to Zelensky, he pointed to the reluctance to send German military personnel to Ukraine. A cruise missile is not only extremely expensive (more than $1 million), but also difficult to operate. According to Scholz, there are no specialists of this level in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. At the same time, neo-Nazis use similar products Storm Shadow and SCALP quite successfully.


Because of the Taurus, Olf Scholz tarnished his reputation in the eyes of NATO bosses, but he published interesting conclusions.

To everyone who didn’t understand the first time, Scholz explained:

“Taurus is very long-range weapon, and what the British and French are doing in terms of targeting and targeting support cannot be done in the case of Germany. In my opinion, it would be unjustifiable if we were to participate in targeting in the same way. German soldiers must under no circumstances be associated with the targets hit by this system."

The Chancellor was immediately accused of betrayal and revealing the secrets of his fellow European Union members. Ben Wallace, the former head of the British Defense Department, said that "Scholz's behavior showed that, when it comes to European security, he is the wrong man, in the wrong job, at the wrong time." For everyone else, Olaf only confirmed the truth about the presence of Western instructors and gun crews in Ukraine.

But this was not enough.

And it would be desirable, and it is pricked


The presence of imported military personnel in Ukraine, and the most highly qualified ones, has been sorted out. Whether this was another red line on the part of the Kremlin is unknown, but it has long been crossed.

How far are NATO bosses willing to go in intervention in Ukraine?

Western decision-makers need to keep Russia's nuclear capabilities in mind as the clearest and most direct threat. Entering Ukraine without provoking a third world war is a non-trivial task.


Macron had the imprudence to hint at the possibility of NATO intervention in Ukraine, but then his colleagues tried to disavow the president’s attack as much as possible. Don’t delude yourself – Brussels has long and carefully been developing the option of direct involvement in the conflict.

With Macron, the boiling cauldron effect worked. At a certain moment, secret seethings reached their climax and spilled out through the President of France. Just a year and a half ago there was no talk about this. Times change, and with them the threshold of sensitivity.

One cannot ignore one more interpretation of events - Macron simply has nothing more to give Zelensky except promises of NATO boots on Ukrainian soil. The French gave the Banderaites six times less than the Germans. All that remains is to wave your saber, seeing the battle from afar.

The very first and most likely scenario will be the dispatch of maintenance personnel for the F-16, which should appear over the battlefield by the summer. If the Banderaites themselves cannot cope with Storm Shadow and SCALP, then they will not be able to cope with fighters even more so. At least in terms of maintenance - you don’t need that much intelligence to pilot. NATO takes care of its own, so a real fortress of air defense systems will be built around the airfields. History with the F-16 does not directly involve foreign specialists in the conflict, but makes them completely legitimate targets for the Russian Army.

The prospect of using NATO personnel in the Ukrainian rear seems even more toothless. Allegedly, for demining, repairing equipment and training Bandera members to operate complex equipment. Troops will be stationed far from the front line, which, as planned, should not provoke the Russians into escalation.

In this situation, as doctors say, a combined effect will occur. NATO members in the rear will free up manpower for the Armed Forces of Ukraine - now most of the brigades at the front are understaffed. Previously, these were auxiliary units, now they will go to fight to zero.

NATO members will significantly increase the efficiency of using equipment supplied under Lend-Lease. For example, more Bandera members will be trained to work for Patriot and Nasams. Over time, they will sit down at the control terminals of modern drones and kamikaze strikes, that is, they will be directly involved in the conflict.

As events on the fronts become more violent, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will require increasing involvement of NATO soldiers and officers. The line of contact will literally suck in Western troops. And the Ukrainian command will do everything possible to make this happen as quickly as possible.


Weapon supplies and money no longer help the Ukrainian Armed Forces achieve their goals. Manpower from NATO countries is required. Lots of manpower.

The speed of decision-making on intervention directly depends on the speed of Russia’s advance to the west. If we take current rates as a basis, the Donetsk region will be liberated by the end of the year. Unless, of course, Bandera’s followers continue to consistently retreat in the tactical zone and there is no breakthrough of the front.

For NATO, the trigger will be the re-entry of the Russian Army to Kyiv, or the cutting off of Ukraine from the Black Sea. But no one is ready to enter into a direct clash with the Russians, so they will limit themselves to the occupation of the west of the country. Previously, thousands of scenarios for the development of the situation will be played out on supercomputers and the safest one will be selected. Which does not exclude a direct conflict with the Russian Army.

There is an opinion that the most difficult part of the special operation for Russia has already passed. Behind us are humanitarian waste and the occupation of the most advantageous positions east of the front. The army is slowly moving westward, gradually liberating settlements in new territories of Russia.

The further west the front is, the greater the chances of a sharp deterioration in relations with NATO, right up to the third world war. A Western soldier will sooner or later appear in Ukraine (the name of this territory may already be different), but only the Russian Army will decide where the new line of contact with the enemy will lie.
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  1. -1
    16 March 2024 05: 15
    If Western sponsors of terrorists from the Armed Forces of Ukraine had confidence in the targeted expenditure of funds, the money would have been transferred long ago
    Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and now Ukraine.
    Send money to the military-industrial complex of the United States, a good replacement for small-shaven people.
  2. +42
    16 March 2024 05: 35
    The collective West may not achieve its goals in Ukraine.

    What are the goals of the collective West in Ukraine?
    Let's record what the West has already achieved:
    - a buffer territory (regardless of the borders in which it will remain) in our southwest, hostile to Russia for decades to come;
    - new NATO members, whose entry into the bloc was not even discussed until 2022;
    - growth in military spending of all EU countries, contributions to the NATO budget, orders from leading arms companies, again for decades to come;
    - unconditional recognition by Europe of the expediency of the continued existence of NATO and its affiliated political structures, justification for its further expansion at the expense of non-European countries and the leading role of the United States in the bloc;
    - a testing ground for testing their weapons and concepts for their combat use with minimal expenditure of human resources;
    - the possibility of a detailed study of the real combat capability of the Russian Armed Forces, and in conditions as close as possible to their maximum capabilities; the own combat capabilities of the armed forces of NATO countries remain in relative shadow;
    - new markets for American arms companies;
    - new markets for American fuel companies;
    - creeping discreditation of the CSTO’s viability with the likely reorientation of at least some of its signatories to other military-political structures not associated with our country;
    - etc. ...
    All this has already been achieved. To what extent does it correspond to the interests of the so-called collective West, what do you think?
    1. VLR
      +40
      16 March 2024 07: 03
      You also forgot to mention:
      1. free disposal by NATO countries of old weapons and replacing them with the latest models.
      2. A blow to the already not brilliant demography of Russia.
      3. Redistribution of world markets with a decrease in the share of Russia, which is forced to offer huge discounts so as not to lose the last buyers.
      4. A blow to the technological development of the country, which, due to the failure of import substitution, is now forced to buy second-rate Chinese equipment at high prices, and even say thank you to the Chinese.
      5. Loss of huge funds received through the sale of non-renewable resources and taxes of ordinary citizens.
      6.Unprecedented Russophobia abroad, which now affects even the traitors who lick the bourgeois boots (but they still continue to lick).
      1. +8
        16 March 2024 07: 09
        Thanks for the addition, drinks I agree with each of the points.
        1. 0
          17 March 2024 16: 41
          they are already there, only the number and range of weapons will increase, we are already using all available types of weapons except tactical nuclear weapons, and they are not all... it will only get worse, the escalation will continue, everyone understands this and is trying to keep it controlled...
        2. 0
          19 March 2024 16: 05
          The listed goals are important, but not the main ones...
          So (...GOD FORbid!..), - perhaps - EVERYTHING IS JUST BEGINNING!..
          ...And the most important (hardest) tests are ahead...
      2. 0
        16 March 2024 07: 25
        NATO has several geopolitical goals:
        1- revanchism of the “elites”, that is, to “punish” Russia for past grievances,
        2- get rid of Russia forever as a source of “threat” to your well-being, through its complete disarmament and the destruction of its nuclear arsenal.
        3-put Russia under the full control of the West in the political, economic and financial spheres. It is even possible to do this by breaking the country up into controlled quasi-states.
        4-completion of "Drang nach Osten" until China got there
        .....
        1. 0
          17 March 2024 12: 22
          Quote: Monster_Fat
          NATO has several geopolitical goals:
          But something went wrong with them. Or rather, all of the 4 points listed went in the opposite direction.
    2. 0
      18 March 2024 15: 14
      The West had 3 tasks, everyone already knows they are openly discussing it.
      1. Provoke the Russian Federation to war.
      2. Economically strangle (sanctions).
      3. Politically ruin.
      They failed to cope with all the tasks, because even the provocation to war did not go according to their plans.
      And spheres of influence will be divided based on the outcome of the war and not during it.
  3. -12
    16 March 2024 05: 41
    All problems with NATO are solved by detonating a nuclear charge on its territory.
    1. +6
      16 March 2024 06: 37
      Quote: Viktor fm
      All problems with NATO are solved by detonating a nuclear charge on its territory.

      Will detonating a NATO nuclear charge over our territory help solve problems with NATO?
      1. +3
        16 March 2024 13: 05
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Will detonating a NATO nuclear charge over our territory help solve problems with NATO?

        Definitely! Once and for all: after this NATO will cease to exist, as will the good half of humanity.
        If they are ready for this, let them risk their health! But there will be no turning back, there will be no luxury yachts, forks, cars, personal planes and other goodies.
        Therefore, I advise “ardent” fans to speculate about a “nuclear explosion over the territory of the Russian Federation” to think carefully. And if your thoughts are not enough, consult with your children, grandchildren, wives and lovers... I ask LGBT people and the asexual brethren not to worry: you will die out on your own, without our participation.
        Adju, a lover of “nuclear explosions over our territory”!
        1. 0
          16 March 2024 13: 29
          But there will be no turning back
          And you, I suspect, have a personal return passage in case of nuclear war wassat ?
        2. +3
          16 March 2024 22: 09
          Well, why immediately crumble a “vigorous” loaf onto someone’s stupid heads? When there are more “affectionate” and visual means! For example, “Dagger” or “Zircon” for “decision-making centers” in the form of the MI6 building, the British Ministry of Defense and the headquarters of the SAS? With a subsequent ultimatum that with further escalation of events, the filling of the missiles will be such that after which they and their country will remain only in history! If there are still those who can tell the story! One of the properties of human nature is that everything he sees, he tries it on! Having seen the “decision-making centers” after a meeting with the products of the Russian military-industrial complex, the remaining “deciders” are unlikely to want to get the same pleasure and may turn on their brains! And they will even probably turn on, despite the persuasion of the United States to take a risk!
          1. +1
            16 March 2024 23: 30
            Quote: Vicontas
            Well, why immediately crumble a “vigorous” loaf onto someone’s stupid heads? When there are more “affectionate” and visual means! For example, “Dagger” or “Zircon” for “decision-making centers” in the form of the MI6 building, the British Ministry of Defense and the headquarters of the SAS?

            But the other side doesn’t have these “gentle” means?
            1. 0
              17 March 2024 21: 13
              There is no hypersound. Absolutely! There are “Shadow Storm” and “Scalp”, which are shot down by “Buks”, Thors” and “Shells”! And even airplanes.
          2. +1
            17 March 2024 08: 12
            They must be faced with a clear choice, what should have been done at the very beginning of the conflict - either they sit quietly and do not squeak, or they become a party to the conflict and start a nuclear war, and for this it must be clearly stated that as soon as a NATO soldier officially sets foot on land of Ukraine, then vigorous loaves and vigorous bast shoes fly to all NATO members.
            So let them think whether they want a nuclear war, global, but fleeting (in a week, I think, everything will be over).
      2. 0
        18 March 2024 14: 41
        Doesn’t it occur to you to measure the ratio of territories (areas)? And compare the quantitative ratio of nuclear weapons. And stop scaring Russia, the island state... and France, along with all their tactical nuclear weapons and strategic nuclear weapons combined.
    2. +3
      16 March 2024 10: 22
      And you are apparently in Antarctica? Or did you really want to go to the “paradise” promised to us all? Okay, we are the generation of the middle of the last century, we have outlived ours. But children and grandchildren... Don’t you feel sorry for them?
      1. +1
        17 March 2024 08: 14
        Do you want to live in slavery or are you from the Other Side?
    3. 0
      18 March 2024 22: 37
      You will like THIS. :)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3mjyhiwf2g
  4. -8
    16 March 2024 05: 51
    There will be no NATO in Ukraine. These are all horror stories for the average person. The further erosion of Russia's economic and military power at the hands of Maidan jumpers will continue. There are no fools in the West to get involved in this bloody mess, that’s what the “great Ukrainians” exist for
    1. -2
      16 March 2024 06: 05
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      "great ukry"

      They are slowly leaving for Bandera, and they are gradually being replaced by NATO members: UAV operators, air defense operators, repairmen, medical transpoltologists, and instructors in the Armed Forces of Ukraine...
      1. +1
        16 March 2024 13: 38
        UAV and air defense operators, repairmen, medical doctors, and instructors in the Armed Forces of Ukraine...

        I am 99% sure that the 10th special group of Green Berets is in full force in Ukraine. When the F16s arrive, they will add more aircraft controllers (as was the case in Afghanistan)
    2. 0
      16 March 2024 06: 39
      There will be no NATO in Ukraine. These are all horror stories for the average person.

      It seems that they have been there for a long time, while there are few of them and unofficially, the contingent will gradually increase (provided that the risks for them are insignificant)
    3. +8
      16 March 2024 07: 11
      In Finland, too, until recently, NATO was not even in the wildest dreams.
      1. +7
        16 March 2024 09: 03
        Let me also remind you:
        From Putin’s speech on February 24, 02: Now a few very important words for those who may be tempted from the outside to intervene in the events taking place. Whoever tries to interfere with us, and even more so, create threats to our country and people, should know that Russia’s response will be immediate and will lead you to consequences that you have never encountered in your history. We are ready for any development of events. All necessary decisions have been made. I hope I will be heard.
        1. +3
          16 March 2024 10: 12
          Today, the moment has come when all things must be called by their proper names, without any diplomatic politeness. The “gunboat diplomacy” technique is already being used to its fullest towards us. It's a waste of time to speak nobly to scum. I think if Putin’s speech had made it clear that the Russian Federation would regard the appearance of troops of any third country on the territory of Ukraine, regardless of their location in Ukraine, as a declaration of war by this country on the Russian Federation, with all the ensuing consequences in the form of the destruction of these troops and strikes against military targets on the territory of this country. I think the effect would be different, especially if this were supported by the deployment of nuclear submarines and mobile missile systems on combat patrols.
          1. 0
            17 March 2024 12: 32
            Quote: bug120560
            I think the effect would be different, especially if this were supported by the deployment of nuclear submarines and mobile missile systems on combat patrols.
            Combat patrols have been resumed for several years now.
        2. 0
          16 March 2024 13: 30
          Quote: My address
          All necessary decisions have been made. I hope I will be heard.

          Up there they are calculating everything and countermeasures for years to come.
        3. +3
          16 March 2024 16: 27
          Eh.. And of course they “heard” him.. They started a proxy war, constantly raising the stakes, spitting on the “red lines”.. The list goes on. Russian people are dying from NATO weapons on their land.. What’s next? I personally don’t see "immediate response". So, some horror stories from DAM mostly ..
        4. Eug
          +2
          17 March 2024 08: 21
          And how does this statement differ from other “red lines”?
    4. 0
      16 March 2024 10: 24
      Well, there will be troops from there... It’s like in Korea, under the auspices of the UN.
      1. -1
        16 March 2024 13: 23
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        Well, there will be troops from there... It’s like in Korea, under the auspices of the UN.

        Have you missed anything? The Russian Federation is still a permanent member of the UN Security Council with the right of VETO!!!
        Well, how will you get the blue helmets into 404 if the Russian Federation lowers the barrier?
        1. -1
          16 March 2024 13: 35
          The USSR also had the right of veto. However, in Korea we had to fight ourselves, together with the Chinese...
          1. +6
            16 March 2024 14: 58
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            The USSR also had the right of veto. However, in Korea we had to fight ourselves
            The USSR then ignored the UN Security Council meeting, so it could not use the veto.
            Americans convened the UN Security Council on June 25, 1950, where, using the absence of the Soviet representative Yakov Malik, unanimously adopted a resolution condemning the actions of the DPRK and authorizing the use of military force to repel the so-called. "aggression". The USSR boycotted UN Security Council meetings for a completely different reason, which in no way justifies the specific culprits of the diplomatic failure.
            1. 0
              16 March 2024 16: 22
              Yes, it was. Only in the post-war years and a little later during the Cold War were the UN taken into account and the decisions within the organization respected. Now it’s a complete mess.
        2. -1
          17 March 2024 08: 16
          Did they end up in Korea?
  5. -10
    16 March 2024 06: 09
    The situation will change with Zelensky's departure. Ukraine still has a chance to become a neutral country and not a scorched desert.
    1. -6
      16 March 2024 06: 40
      The situation will change with Zelensky's departure.

      If we were allowed to liquidate it, then perhaps...
      And so - it’s unlikely that he will be some kind of European Commissioner or something similar...
    2. 0
      16 March 2024 07: 08
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      The situation will change with Zelensky's departure

      The situation changes with the departure of the one who decided...
      Quote from pavel.tipingmail.com
      Ukraine still has a chance to become a neutral country

      How so?
      Moreover, Poland is not just being overwhelmed with weapons, driving into unimaginable loans (which the Poles, like the Ukrainians, will never be able to repay), while destroying the Polish economy. After one ends, others will go into battle...
      1. -1
        16 March 2024 10: 13
        unimaginable loans (which Poles, like Ukrainians, will never be able to repay
        It is extremely reckless to compare Ukrainians and Poles. Poland has a healthy economy with a significant share of manufacturing industry, a high standard of living of the population (more cars per capita than in Germany) and real per capita GDP 80% higher than Russia's. They will pay off their debts.
        1. 0
          16 March 2024 20: 06
          It’s one thing to demand payment of debts and quite another to pay them back. Psheks also love money very much and will pay off debts with the blood of their soldiers. This is exactly why they give them loans.
      2. -1
        16 March 2024 13: 29
        Quote: Doccor18
        After one ends, others will go into battle...

        This option is possible... I think the Poles are smart enough not to get into a meat grinder. Moreover, Putin indirectly confirmed the right of the Republic of Poland to historical territories - the so-called. "Eastern Croesus" Hungary and Romania also have views of their former historical territories. Well, after that, holy business! The Germans will remember WHO HISTORICALLY belongs to PRUSSIA... This is where NATO ends! (And whoever did this - well done!) laughing
  6. +4
    16 March 2024 06: 33
    It is up to the Russian Army to decide where the new line of contact with the enemy will lie.

    And if the Russian army decides to completely liberate only Donbass, which by the way, has not yet been completely liberated and will not go further? Then what? And the Zaporozhye, Kherson and Kharkov regions have not yet been completely liberated.. Then what?
    1. -3
      16 March 2024 13: 34
      This can only happen under the following conditions: the second-hand state becomes a neutral state, the thesis about joining NATO is removed from the constitution, all national-fascist organizations are dissolved and prohibited by law, the armed forces are no more than 85-100 thousand, and only with defensive weapons. M-n control over denazification and demilitarization.
      Those. in essence - Minsk-2. That, I think, is possible.
  7. +4
    16 March 2024 06: 36
    Everything is possible. But the mental abilities of our and the Ukrainian elite are unlikely to leave us a chance even if the development of military operations in Ukraine is successful for Russia.

    As Pinocchio Malvina said in The Golden Key: “Now I’ll come up with something myself” - this is the worst thing that can suddenly happen at any moment. And not the machinations of the West. At least they are predictable.
    1. +2
      16 March 2024 06: 57
      mental abilities of our and Ukrainian elite

      Aimed at enrichment in tactical terms, in strategic tasks, orientation towards the instructions of “partners” (curators)
  8. +12
    16 March 2024 06: 48
    Whether this was another red line on the part of the Kremlin is unknown, but it has long been crossed.


    In politics, and especially in war, one must always count on the worst.

    Previously, in response to the crossing of yet another “red line”, the West received nothing in response from Russia. Our Foreign Ministry has turned into a ministry of rhetoric and verbal balancing act, where the latest Western provocations are either responded to with beautiful words, which are not followed by actions, or are not responded to at all.

    In such a situation, according to the West, there will be no threat to NATO troops in Ukraine.

    However, perhaps there is some kind of plan behind this that we know nothing about.
    1. +4
      16 March 2024 19: 34
      so far we are at the head: Putin’s mumble “I’m a bourgeois and I’m doing bourgeois things, but I was deceived again” or “we showed a gesture of goodwill, but we were deceived”, at the head of the Foreign Ministry tolerated laurels “I express deep concern” and the minister throwing up his hands defense Shoigu to the journalist’s question - “Will we win?” = we are more inclined to negotiate than to win. Unfortunately..
  9. +7
    16 March 2024 07: 42
    Add to the Bogalex list of Western targets hundreds of thousands of dead Russians without their own losses. The “operation” to change – eliminate Nazism – was supposed to take 2-3 months, followed by many years of recording the result. The West has a centuries-old ironclad, unchanging motivation. For our leadership to recognize the West as an enemy is a collapse of the worldview - with whom to bourgeois then? “Bless America” is still flying over Russia, dragging the country into a trap. The way out of the trap will be found by those who set a goal - the sovereignty of Russia. Until this goal is set, “multipolarity” is the same drapery as plywood on a mausoleum.
  10. +5
    16 March 2024 08: 06
    What worries me more is not that NATO troops will appear in Ukraine, already as such. I have no doubts about this and never did... I am worried about what our leadership will do. And how will it do
    1. +9
      16 March 2024 19: 36
      1) Putin - I was deceived, but I trusted my partners.
      2) Lavrov will express deep, deepest concern
      3) Shoigu will throw up his hands at the next question - what to do? or will we win?
      4) Peskov will bleat in his unique voice that he is not aware.
      5) DAM will promise to drop a nuclear bomb somewhere. Then in the elevator he’ll take a selfie with his iPhone.
      6) the Solovyovs-Kiselyovs-Skabeevs from ORT will tell you that this is Putin’s cunning plan and we have outplayed everyone again. And now NATO is spending resources on maintaining the Ukrainians and its soldiers. Everywhere there are advantages!
      The people will believe it!

      if the characters are still the same, then you shouldn’t expect a different presentation.
  11. -4
    16 March 2024 08: 28
    Naturally, it would be a terrible shame for the West if the Russian army reached Lvov, Mukachevo or Uzhgorod. Therefore, under some pretext, Russia will be persuaded to negotiate, but they need to find an excuse to divide Ukraine, and one more thing. If the soldiers who returned to NATO countries in coffins, say from Afghanistan, were “dissolved” in the twenty years that they fought and died there, then you would get several coffins a week, and the civilian population in NATO countries would not be frightened by this. It will be a different matter in Ukraine. There will be a lot of coffins coming at once... The population of the West now doesn’t care how many new cemeteries there are in Ukraine. And the leaders of NATO know the true number of dead Ukrainian Nazis and understand that if the Ukrainians did not demolish Zelensky for this, this does not mean that the French, Germans, English, Italians did not Macron, Scholz and the like will be demolished.
    In my opinion, there will be a division of current Ukraine. America and NATO should only find a way to deceive Russia with promises not to place NATO bases in those territories of the former Western Ukraine that Russia does not need at all. But if these territories go to Poland, Hungary and Slovakia, then in a few years in these territories ceded to them NATO bases will appear exactly at the new borders of Russia, which were transferred to Russia. And therefore, on the territory of Western Ukraine and Transcarpathia, a new state should be created, say New Ukraine, the Constitution of which should state that there should not be a single foreign military base on its territory, should not join any military blocs or alliances and its army should be limited to national guard and police without any heavy weapons. NATO sees the approaching collapse of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in mind they keep in mind Putin’s demand at the end of 2021 that there would not be a single foreign military base in NATO countries near the borders of Russia. This is the main danger for NATO and especially for America. The loss of trillions of dollars, the loss of tens of thousands of warm general's chairs with the loss of virtually American colonies in Europe represented by the European NATO countries.
    1. -2
      16 March 2024 08: 59
      It will be a different matter in Ukraine. There will be a lot of coffins coming at once... The population of the West now doesn’t care how many new cemeteries there are in Ukraine. And the leaders of NATO know the true number of dead Ukrainian Nazis and understand that if the Ukrainians did not demolish Zelensky for this, this does not mean that the French, Germans, English, Italians did not Macron, Scholz and the like will be demolished.

      I think that Zelensky’s know-how of burying those killed locally without recording losses will be adopted by NATO. And declare them “left the battlefield for unknown reasons” without paying insurance. Actually, this was the case a century ago near Verdun. The ossuary of the Douamont memorial is clear evidence.
    2. +2
      16 March 2024 09: 28
      Quote: north 2
      Therefore, under some pretext, Russia will be persuaded to negotiate, but they need to find an excuse to divide Ukraine,

      While Russia, under all sorts of pretexts, is persuading Ukraine to negotiate and asking the American to do the same.
    3. +2
      16 March 2024 10: 01
      Don’t dozens of facts of deception by dear partners, voiced personally by Putin more than once or twice, give him a reason not to make ANY PROMISES AND AGREEMENTS with the West? An agreement can only be reached when all goals and victory have been achieved. In any other case, this will 200% be deception and blackmail. Not even, 1000%.
      1. +3
        16 March 2024 19: 45
        This is who you are...
        and our beloved grandfather will once again trust his dear partners. For the very last, very last time...
        We are not like them - predatory imperialists, we are good and kind...
        and for his trust in his partners and subsequent mistakes = the Russian people give him 80% support and approval. This means that the old man is doing everything right, since there is support.
        and if he still makes a mistake, then let these stupid people pay for it. Our responsibility is collective. One person does the stupid thing, and then we clean it all up. One for all and all for one
      2. +2
        16 March 2024 21: 44
        Well, there are two options: either the management no longer understands even such basic things, or shouts of “we were deceived!” - propaganda for the public, but in fact no one deceived anyone, everyone was their own. In any case, nothing good will happen.
  12. +20
    16 March 2024 08: 31
    The amazing ability of our “great ruler” to achieve results that are directly opposite to those stated. On all counts: import substitution, “national projects,” opposition to NATO expansion,” “demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine,” and so on.
  13. +5
    16 March 2024 10: 54
    The appearance of NATO in Ukraine is becoming a matter of time – who would doubt it?
    1. If NATO “mastered” Ukraine even before the start of the Northeast Military District, then it is unlikely that it left the territory of Ukraine after the start of the Northeast Military District.
    2. All 52 so-called troops are actually fighting on the side of the Ukrainian Armed Forces. “unfriendly”, i.e. state entities of the world hostile to the Russian Federation, all European and international organizations from cultural, sports and trade and financial to production, technological and scientific.
    3. The supply of high-tech equipment and weapons to the Armed Forces of Ukraine requires the presence of NATO specialists who know how to handle and maintain it, and simply transfer and quickly train the Ukrainian military in this
    4. The Russian Federation helps Nat and the Armed Forces of Ukraine fight with supplies of energy resources, agricultural products and fertilizers, money through membership in the IMF (the US share is 17%, and the Russian Federation is 2,5%.), contributions to various European = NATO and international organizations, accruing interest on “frozen” state gold and foreign currency reserves and assets of Russian capitalists, seized and sold off state and private foreign property,
    5. By designating various “red” lines - non-expansion and return to the 1979 borders, detonation of northern flows, supplies of depleted uranium shells, armored vehicles, missiles, F-16 and various special equipment and not reacting to their violation, the Russian Federation itself provokes Nata to the expansion of participation in the war and the activity of Macron, Sunak, Duda, and others, the recognition of V.V. Putin as a criminal, the demonstrative boycott of calling Western diplomats to the Russian Foreign Ministry, this clearly shows and inspires confidence in permissiveness, right up to the introduction of troops into Ukraine and direct war with RF.
  14. +6
    16 March 2024 11: 29
    How far are NATO bosses willing to go in intervention in Ukraine?

    Macron had the imprudence to hint at the possibility of NATO intervention in Ukraine...

    Intervention is a beautiful word)
    Probably, its use in the article should have formed in the reader’s mind a reference to the sad events in the history of our country in 1918-1922
    There’s just one catch - intervention, which is, first of all, aggressive, hostile armed intervention in the internal affairs of another state.
    Hence the question: is anyone in Ukraine against the entry of NATO troops?
    I’ll tell the author a secret - Ukraine itself, long before the North Military District, dreamed of integrating into NATO
    Moreover, one of the goals of the SVO is to prevent this from happening!
    And intervention - yes, it’s a beautiful word)
  15. 0
    16 March 2024 11: 49
    After a disastrous Finnish war there is always a bloody Patriotic War.
    .
    How can we avoid such a development of events, including NATO in Ukraine?
    First of all, don’t talk about negotiations, thereby raising the enemy’s morale. One must demonstrate a firm, gloomy determination to go to the end. The enemy must be terrified, and not curry favor with him. As long as the enemy is not afraid, he will not negotiate.
    .
    Weapons production must be planned in anticipation of a major war. Roughly speaking, if we produce one hundred million shells a year, then no one will attack us. After the victory, the workshop data can be mothballed.
    And you won’t have to preserve that much. The experience and equipment for creating casting machines can be used to cast cylinder blocks and everything else that we are now importing. Electronics, video cameras, batteries and motors for quadcopters will also find use in peaceful production.
    Basic production of metals and plastics cannot be considered “militarization of the economy” at all.
    .
    It is necessary to decide on the range of weapons produced, set priorities correctly, organize R&D and production. Since production organizers have been replaced everywhere by thieving managers, this problem can only be solved by the President himself. Today there is no one else to delve into, split up tasks, select performers, or control results. And pay, pay, pay...
    If the president wants to work, there will be people and ideas. He will be greedy under the pretext of preventing the “militarization of the economy”
    .
    Alternative. Defeat, confiscation of everything, The Hague to shake out what was hidden.
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 11: 58
      corrected version: After a disastrous Finnish war there is always a bloody Patriotic War.
      .
      How can we avoid such a development of events, including NATO in Ukraine?
      First of all, don’t talk about negotiations, thereby raising the enemy’s morale. One must demonstrate a firm, gloomy determination to go to the end. The enemy must be terrified, and not curry favor with him. As long as the enemy is not afraid, he will not negotiate.
      .
      Weapons production must be planned in anticipation of a major war. Roughly speaking, if we produce one hundred million shells a year, then no one will attack us. After the victory, the workshop data can be mothballed.
      And you won’t have to preserve that much. The experience and equipment for creating casting machines can be used to cast cylinder blocks and everything else that we are now importing. Electronics, video cameras, batteries and motors for quadcopters will also find use in peaceful production.
      Basic production of metals and plastics cannot be considered “militarization of the economy” at all.
      .
      It is necessary to decide on the range of weapons produced, set priorities correctly, organize R&D and production. Since production organizers have been replaced by thieving managers everywhere, this problem can only be solved by the President himself. Today there is no one else to delve into, split up tasks, select performers, or control results. And pay, pay, pay...
      If the president wants to work, there will be people and ideas. He will be greedy under the pretext of preventing the “militarization of the economy”; our kids will fight with Kalash rifles for the “forester’s hut.”
      .
      Alternative to a sure victory: Defeat, confiscation of everything. Then The Hague, to shake out what was hidden. For that kind of money they won’t spare their children or grandchildren, they’ll shake everyone out.
  16. +3
    16 March 2024 12: 13
    Quote: also a doctor
    if we have a production of one hundred million shells a year, then no one will attack us.

    Iraq was overwhelmed with Soviet tanks and other useless weapons, coupled with corrupt generals, this played a cruel joke on it - they were unwound within a month...
  17. -1
    16 March 2024 12: 35
    The appearance of NATO in Ukraine is becoming a matter of time[Quote] [/ quote]
    NATO has been present in Ukraine for almost 10 years. It is a fact. NATO's participation is increasing. From consulting and supplying non-lethal weapons, providing access to intelligence assets of NATO countries. Exercising operational control of combat operations. Until the dispatch of special forces units, the supply of modern weapons along with personnel for their use, etc.. In total, NATO is 100% a participant in the military conflict. The “red lines” turned out to be complete bullshit for internal use. All that remains is to introduce NATO ground forces and air forces into combat operations.
  18. +2
    16 March 2024 13: 32
    I think that there will be a NATO invasion, the whole question is where are we ready to meet them and with what. This is a question of the ambitions of our leadership, the leader more precisely. If Ukraine is given $60 billion in aid, plus it mobilizes to put 400-500 people under arms, we will have big problems. It is advisable to stop this at the root, with quick decisive actions. Will there be such an opportunity, that is the question.
    1. +1
      16 March 2024 14: 03
      I think there will be a NATO invasion
      I doubt this - given the fact that Ukrainian refugees prefer to fight for their homeland in Nice and Funchal (and in large numbers), it is unlikely that any of the politicians will dare to send their fighters to their death.
      1. -2
        16 March 2024 14: 14
        The only way for them to save Ukraine is to invade, or to surrender it over time. This will be a catastrophic defeat for the West and the beginning of a new world! In the end, the Vietnam War nearly destroyed the United States.
        1. +1
          16 March 2024 14: 20
          pass over time
          Yes, in 30 years there will be no Ukraine - half (they say, however, about 50-80%) of women of childbearing age will give birth to Germans and Czechs, and the men who were not killed... will have to as it will.
          Invasion implies, in addition to the really serious sacrifices of soldiers, such a trifle as feeding the invaded. And try to feed these. The West still has not achieved the goal of collapse of the Russian Federation and will not achieve it.
          the beginning of a new world!
          Also unlikely - the key technologies are all in the West.
          1. +2
            16 March 2024 14: 31
            Space exploration would help us a lot, but we have lost sight of that! The promises are the same.
            1. 0
              16 March 2024 22: 02
              Space exploration would help us a lot, but we have lost sight of that! The promises are the same.

              And also the exploration of Mars.
        2. +3
          16 March 2024 19: 57
          Quote: BAT-MENT
          In the end, the Vietnam War nearly destroyed the United States.

          All this is bullshit. I, too, as a kid, read some story about an American soldier in Vietnam, who, out of a sense of justice, first shot two of his comrades, and then an entire general, who shot Vietnamese civilians from a helicopter in rice fields. To top it off, he escaped to the USSR, where he underwent surgery for some kind of serious illness. This kind of propaganda is fed in all corners of the globe.
      2. 0
        16 March 2024 21: 38
        They are not going to fight directly. They say in plain text that they will send NATO soldiers to guard the western borders of Ukraine (because the Russians, of course, will not dare launch missiles there), which will free up a large reserve of Ukrainians.
  19. +8
    16 March 2024 14: 43
    I remember at the beginning of 2022, Blinken asked Lavrov whether Russia understood what would follow a Russian attack on Ukraine? To which Lavrov replied that he understood what the consequences would be, and assured that Russia was not going to attack Ukraine either now or later. I’m still embarrassed to ask what kind of “children crying on the lawn” is going on now. We understood what we were getting into, so let’s clear up the mess, and don’t complain about “friends and partners”
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 19: 49
      Of course, we understand, so we gave you 300 billion gold and foreign exchange reserves for safekeeping, which our dear economist Nabiluna, instead of using for the construction of something within the country, gave to you at 0.05-0.1% per annum in bonds for 5-10 years.
      Nothing will happen to them, right? Is everything safe?
  20. +4
    16 March 2024 18: 56
    What did the Russian Federation do to prevent NATO from appearing in Ukraine? Nothing. What is the “elite” of the Russian Federation doing to ensure that NATO troops enter Ukraine? They constantly report that they are drawing red lines, that they agree to agreements, that the territory of Ukraine does not interest them. They are only interested in the possibility of returning to the “holy times.” If NATO comes to an agreement with the “elite” of the Russian Federation, then there will be a second Istanbul, worse than the first.
  21. -3
    16 March 2024 21: 53
    If NATO troops cross the border of Ukraine, a nuclear strike will immediately be launched on the western regions of Ukraine
    1. 0
      16 March 2024 22: 01
      A nuclear strike on Western Ukraine is not a nuclear strike on NATO, NATO will be faced with a dilemma whether to strike Russia or absorb this strike, the contaminated areas will become an obstacle to supplies and an obstacle to the advancement of any contingents, then we and Belarus will have total mobilization and we We will simply crush any resistance in the rest of Ukraine with numbers. Well, then the capitulation of Ukraine, even more sanctions in our direction and work to decontaminate the area
      1. 0
        17 March 2024 10: 26
        and work on decontamination of the area

        Well, why decontaminate the area? Radiation at the border with Poland is good. Plus you need to add more mines. In addition, let it be known to you, during air explosions the contamination is low and disappears quite, relatively quickly. But ground-based nuclear explosions, which create significant contamination, should not be overused.
  22. 0
    16 March 2024 21: 59
    How far are NATO bosses willing to go in intervention in Ukraine?
    Western decision-makers need to keep Russia's nuclear capabilities in mind as the clearest and most direct threat. Entering Ukraine without provoking a third world war is a non-trivial task.

    We don’t need a third world war and there’s no need to hit the West yet, and then the situation will show in response to their cookies. But it’s time for ground-based trial and training at the Yavorovsky training ground with an easterly wind.
  23. 0
    17 March 2024 14: 46
    Viktor fm
    -12
    Yesterday, 05: 41
    New
    All problems with NATO are solved by detonating a nuclear charge on its territory.
    - well, this same Viktor fm is an obvious provocateur, or a sick person. It is extremely inappropriate to wave a nuclear club!
  24. 0
    17 March 2024 15: 29
    “The appearance of NATO in Ukraine is becoming a matter of time”????
    The longer the SVO goes on, the more NATO becomes convinced of the weak character of the “Leadership” of the RF Armed Forces.
    The more they are tempted to put pressure on Russia.
    They are now screaming from all the stands that Russia is a “Paper Tiger” and that we can only scare people with cartoons.
    What kind of use of nuclear weapons can we talk about if “ours” are afraid to even utter the word “tests” out loud.
    Tactical nuclear weapons are still packaged in warehouses beyond the Urals. Let me emphasize - TACTICAL.
    Moon-faced is running around the TV screen with Sarmat.
    And everyone remembers the T-14 “tank”, the SU-57 “plane”, the Poseidon “torpedo”, etc. And our valiant “Black Sea Fleet”????
    And where are THEY???????
    AT THIS MOMENT, THE RUSSIA generals have succeeded in PARADES.
    And show the valiant “combat” GENERAL Konoshenkov more often.
    Eagle!!!!!!
  25. 0
    17 March 2024 19: 05
    I just can’t understand: why would Macron, Scholz or Duda send their soldiers to slaughter? Do they really hate their people so much that they are ready to send them to die for who knows what or who? Do the people of these countries also hate themselves so much that they are ready to die for the interests of Uncle Sam? Well, then this is definitely the bottom! Further - only the disposal of these peoples.
  26. 0
    18 March 2024 04: 12
    Well, NATO troops will appear, but under the guise of all sorts of PMCs, and what to do then? Formally, these will not be regular troops. request
    1. 0
      18 March 2024 20: 18
      If under the guise of PMCs, then they will be bombed with Calibers and Iskanders, if there is strong air defense and aviation, then again they will hit them with a nuclear weapon
  27. 0
    18 March 2024 13: 43
    Veche comrade troops:
    https://bnews.bg/fotobomba-v-bnews-frenskite-vojski-sa-veche-v-ukrajna-natovariha-gi-na-tirove-v-balgariya-kato-tovar/
  28. 0
    19 March 2024 16: 08
    "...There is an opinion that the most difficult part of the special operation for Russia has already passed..."

    ...Hardly!..