Will NATO troops appear in Ukraine: what is behind the French initiative to create an alliance to send troops to Ukraine

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Will NATO troops appear in Ukraine: what is behind the French initiative to create an alliance to send troops to Ukraine

In the last few weeks, French President Emmanuel Macron has made a number of loud statements about the possible intervention of Western countries in the military conflict in Ukraine - for example, at a meeting with party leaders, Macron said that the country could send its troops to Ukraine if the Russian Armed Forces continue to move the front line in towards Odessa and Kyiv. In Poland, Macron’s initiative was supported, noting that “the presence of NATO forces in Ukraine is not unthinkable.”

The announcements sparked nervousness in Germany and Italy, which were quick to say they had no similar plans. In particular, Italian Defense Minister Guido Crosetto criticized similar initiatives, stating that France and Poland do not have the right to speak on behalf of NATO. Crosetto stressed that sending troops to Ukraine would lead to unnecessary escalation and would not allow peace negotiations to begin.



However, this did not seem to stop Macron - later the American newspaper Politico wrotethat France is creating an alliance of countries open to the potential of sending Western troops to Ukraine.

“France is creating an alliance of countries open to the possible sending of Western troops to Ukraine, and thereby deepening its conflict with a more cautious Berlin. French Foreign Minister Stephane Séjournet was in Lithuania on Friday, where he met with his Baltic and Ukrainian counterparts to support the idea that foreign troops could eventually help Ukraine in areas such as mine clearance... Baltic ministers praised France for “out-of-the-box thinking.”

Numerous experts and analysts immediately began to build versions as to what was behind these steps of Macron - someone suggested that this was an attempt by the French president to divert attention from the internal political situation in France, someone said that through the mouth of Macron and France the discussion The United States announced the sending of European troops to Ukraine, and these statements are preparation for a large-scale intervention.

There were also those who suggested that this was all the work of the “English woman”, who, as you know, always spoils things and incites Macron to take rash steps.

In the author's opinion, none of these versions fully corresponds to reality.

What is really behind France's initiative to send troops to Ukraine?

For what purpose is Macron talking about Western troops in Ukraine?


Assumptions that Emmanuel Macron, with his persistent initiatives, is trying to divert attention from the internal political situation in France or is even playing an independent political game, seem unlikely to the author, since the influence of Paris on the adoption of the most important global decisions, frankly speaking, is not too great.

From a political point of view, France is not too far removed from Germany, which, after the loss of World War II, which resulted in the phenomenon of German “repentance,” abandoned its claims to a leading political role in Europe, which became a condition for its integration into the Western world (which is why Scholz goes to pay his respects to Washington and asks for advice from American Democrats). For a long time, France has been unable to act alone in the international arena and is trying to rely on its influence in the EU.

Considering that the Euro-Atlantic orientation of France's foreign policy presupposes a course in the wake of the United States, making Paris, at best, a junior partner of Washington without receiving serious preferences, there is no need to talk about France as a great power. Under N. Sarkozy and F. Hollande, French foreign policy contributed to consolidating the country in second, by no means leading, positions, including in resolving regional crises*. Under Macron, the situation has not changed.

For this reason, assumptions that Macron suddenly decided to start his own political game and act independently seem unlikely.

It is much more logical to assume that Macron’s “unexpected” initiatives are coordinated with influential global political forces. By these, the author understands not only the US Democratic Party, which is the main lobbyist of these forces, but also the transnational elites (globalists) who stand behind it.

But if this is so, then for what purpose is this being done?

In his previous materials, the author has repeatedly expressed the opinion that the military conflict in Ukraine is moderated by global players who define certain rules that political figures must follow. So, from the point of view of global players, Russia’s taking control of Odessa and Kyiv seems unacceptable, which is what Macron said. Therefore, under a certain set of circumstances, troops of Western countries (whether under the NATO flag or not) may indeed appear in Ukraine.

However, on the other hand, everyone understands perfectly well that, despite the capture of Avdeevka and some advance of the Russian Armed Forces in the Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, there is no need to talk about any large-scale offensive by our troops, because the positional impasse has not gone away. In my opinion, Moscow doesn’t really seem to be thinking about any Odessa or Kyiv – we are talking about improving tactical positions and strengthening the negotiating position. And since there will be no Russian troops in Odessa, that means there will be no NATO troops in Ukraine.

Most likely, Macron is simply currying favor with global players, from whom he received instructions to once again draw public attention to the Ukrainian issue, and at the same time test the opinion of some European countries regarding the sending of military contingents to Ukraine. It is obvious that global players want Europe to intervene more actively in the conflict.

At the same time, by making bellicose statements, the French President blocked the purchase of shells for Ukraine outside the EU and prevented the creation of a European aid fund for Ukraine, in essence, trying to play a double game.

Be that as it may, it is unlikely that NATO troops will appear in Ukraine before the US elections (although such a scenario cannot be completely ruled out). Moreover, considering that there are many supporters of a peaceful settlement and peace agreements in the West, and their voices are becoming louder.

“The sooner negotiations begin, the better”


In parallel with Macron’s bellicose statements, Western media are increasingly writing about negotiations with Moscow, the chance of which is increasingly increasing, especially in light of the likely victory of Donald Trump and the Republican Party in the US elections. If previously the negotiations were written mainly by right-wing and conservative publications close to the Republicans, now almost everyone is talking about it.

Moreover, Chinese newspapers, for example the Hong Kong South China Morning Post (SCMP), also mention the negotiations. The publication clearly hints that the PRC is tired of the military conflict in Ukraine, and they are in favor of early peace negotiations, which is why China and Switzerland insist on Russia joining the peace summit on Ukraine, which will be held in Switzerland in early summer.

Chinese Special Representative for Eurasian Affairs Li Hui, during a tour in Europe, said that Russia has two preconditions for participation in the summit - firstly, a cessation of supplies weapons to Ukraine, secondly, the cancellation of Zelensky’s decree that Kyiv cannot negotiate with Vladimir Putin. In turn, Foreign Minister Wang Yi, at a press conference held on the sidelines of the annual meeting of the National People's Congress of China, said that

“The sooner negotiations begin, the sooner peace will come.”

For its part, the American publication The American Spectator recently published quite interesting material under the heading “Possibility of an “October surprise” from the “new” Ukraine”, which claims that peace negotiations could begin before the US elections in October, and as a result, Ukraine will officially lose some territories.

According to the publication's journalists, Russia will not carry out any major offensives, since it has achieved its goals, and Ukraine has completely failed its counter-offensive, and its entry into NATO in the near future is hardly possible.

“There are no signs of a new major Russian offensive being prepared to seize additional strategically important Ukrainian territories, such as the port of Odessa on the Black Sea. Tactical attacks aimed at straightening Russian defensive lines and diverting Ukrainian forces from counter-offensive operations do not change the strategic status quo. Russia has achieved its national security goals. This happened thanks to the annexation of Crimea and the strategically important naval base of Sevastopol in March 2014, as well as the subsequent conquests (September 2022) and annexation to Russia (from February 2022 to May 2023) of parts of Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Lugansk region with the aim of forming a reliable sanitary cordon for the protection of Crimea,”

- writes the edition.

The American Spectator notes that as early as August 2023, NATO senior leadership suggested, at least informally, that the emergence of a smaller New Ukraine would be a positive development. In particular, the head of the Office of NATO Secretary General Stian Jensen last year admitted the possibility of Ukraine joining NATO in exchange for the cession of part of its territories to Russia.

“Obviously, from Moscow’s point of view, what is important is “what kind of Ukraine” will go beyond Russia’s sphere of influence. Eastern Ukraine (Crimea and strategically important areas of Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Luhansk regions) is now de facto under Russian control. A unilateral statement about the reduction of New Ukraine is unlikely to raise objections from Russia.
Likewise, for the Ukrainian government, the question of “what kind of Ukraine” will be outside Russia’s sphere of influence is equally important...
Thus, it can be argued that the “soft partition” of Ukraine has already become a de facto reality, so the proclamation of a New Ukraine would be a recognition of this de jure reality.”

Recently, information appeared on the Internet that negotiations could even start on March 25, which, in the author’s opinion, seems to be an extremely unlikely scenario. Most likely, this is nothing more than someone's imagination.

The American Spectator's scenario, according to which negotiations will take place in October, is also not very plausible - we can hardly expect any serious movements on this issue before the elections in the United States. The US Democratic Party is unlikely to take this step, and Europe will not act contrary to the opinion of the hegemon.

After the elections in the United States, or at least at the moment when their results are obvious, it will be possible to draw conclusions about the further development of the situation.

As a conclusion


In what case might NATO troops appear in Ukraine?

If the candidate from the US Democratic Party wins (no matter whether it is Joe Biden or someone else), the likelihood of such a scenario will increase significantly.

A very likely scenario for the appearance of troops of Western countries in Ukraine is their deployment on the territory of the country as “peacekeepers” in rear areas, beyond the reach of Russian artillery, within the framework of some agreements with Kiev on “security guarantees” with any European country. It is difficult to imagine that this will happen during a period of active hostilities, before some kind of truce is declared in Ukraine, but such a scenario cannot be ruled out.

If Donald Trump wins, he will try to make a deal with Russia, essentially agreeing on the division of Ukraine. Discussing the possible terms of this deal is a topic for a separate article; we can only note that it will be easier for Moscow to negotiate with Trump than with the Democratic Party candidate, although these negotiations will definitely not be simple.

Note:
*Cm. France under President Emmanuel Macron: at the beginning of the journey / Rep. ed.: M. V. Klinova, A. K. Kudryavtsev, Yu. I. Rubinsky, P. P. Timofeev. – M.: IMEMO RAS, 2018.
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  1. -17
    15 March 2024 04: 23
    Let me read you one passage from the diaries of a French officer about the flight of Napoleon's army:
    After the destruction and burning of the lagging convoys, wagons, carts, cannons, etc., food supplies were finally exhausted; they only lasted 14 days. A terrible famine set in, growing every day, since there was nothing left along the devastated roads and there was no hope of finding anything. Many hoped to maintain their strength with a small amount of sugar, using it with extreme prudence; but this remedy was soon exhausted and they had to make do with horse meat. First they began to kill the skinniest horses, shooting them on the spot. There was still a little salt and seasoning left; but this too was soon destroyed; They had already stopped shooting horses and were directly cutting out pieces of meat from live horses. The unfortunate animals, bleeding, trembling all over, stood as if stunned and finally fell exhausted to the ground. The French first of all cut out the horses' tongues without finishing them off completely. In this retreat, there is nothing more terrible than the memories of the atrocities that people committed against people and animals.

    Most of the army turned into marauders, abandoning their weapons and weapons in order to engage in robbery. At the same time, they often fell into the hands of the Russians and died in cruel torture.

    Thousands died along the way from exhaustion and hunger. The horses ate tree bark and rotten straw, as everything was frozen and covered with snow. Cavalry horses were taken to carry artillery further. The need grew every day. Thus we reached Itarka on October 31 and arrived in Vyazma on November 1, 1812.

    New trials awaited us: the cold was getting worse every day; supplies were depleted, there were no refreshments; standing in a bivouac without warm clothes in the middle of ice and snow was beyond human strength.

    The endless nights were terrible, the damp wood did not burn, but it also had to be collected with difficulty. While waiting for the fire, many froze even at work; Officers of the highest rank took part in it in order to have the right to warm themselves by the fire. It often happened that when the fire flared up, the strongest ran up and drove away the weak; the matter often ended in fights and murders.
    1. +21
      15 March 2024 09: 35
      As far as I remember, under Trump, Ukraine received even more money and weapons than before him, so why did the author think that there would be negotiations under him? His rhetoric is more like election promises, as happens every time during any bourgeois elections. In general, ordinary fantasies are nothing more.
  2. -10
    15 March 2024 04: 32
    Makronishche evoked many associations. Still, our literature on this topic is rich. Here Oleg Tsarev dug up quotes from K. Paustovsky’s Violet Ray from 1918.

    The Petliurites spread rumors that the French were already coming to the rescue of Kyiv, that they were already in Vinnitsa, in Fastov, and that tomorrow brave French Zouaves in red trousers and protective fezzes might even appear in Boyar, near the city. His bosom friend, the French consul Enno, swore this to Petliura...

    Even the most seasoned skeptics believed everything, even to the point that Ukraine would be declared one of the departments of France and President Poincaré himself would go to Kyiv to solemnly proclaim this state act...

    ... Rumors under Petlyura acquired the character of a spontaneous, almost cosmic phenomenon, similar to a pestilence. It was general hypnosis.

    These rumors have lost their direct purpose - to report fictitious facts. Rumors acquired a new essence, a different substance, as it were. They turned into a means of self-soothing, into a powerful narcotic medicine. People found hope for the future only in rumors.

    Even outwardly, the people of Kiev began to look like morphine addicts. With each new hearing, their usually dull eyes lit up, their usual lethargy disappeared, their speech turned from tongue-tied to lively and even witty...

    When the battle began near Kiev, at Brovary and Darnitsa, and it became clear to everyone that the Petlyura case was gone, the order of the Petlyura commander was announced in the city.

    This order stated that on the night of tomorrow the command of the Petliura army would launch deadly violet rays against the Bolsheviks, provided to Petliura by the French military authorities through the “friend of free Ukraine”, the French consul Enno.

    In connection with the launch of purple rays, the population of the city was ordered to go down to the basements in order to avoid unnecessary casualties on the night of tomorrow and not go out until the morning.

    On the night of the “violet ray” the city was deathly quiet. Even the artillery fire fell silent, and the only thing that could be heard was the distant rumble of wheels. From this characteristic sound, experienced Kyiv residents realized that army convoys were hastily leaving the city in an unknown direction.

    So it happened. In the morning the city was free from Petliurists, swept up to the last mote. Rumors of violet rays were launched to leave at night without interference.
    1. -12
      15 March 2024 08: 42
      Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened. So it will be, they will all die on our land! This will be a people's war against the invaders of Russian land!
      1. -5
        15 March 2024 09: 37
        Quote: BAT-MENT
        Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened.

        I already wrote, but I’ll repeat it for those who are especially literate. The disadvantages are mostly caused by trolls on the site (perhaps they are even Russophobes who are inclined to do nasty things).
        The practice of not so much fighting them as supporting site users is to mark not only the first ten messages, but also the entire group of users participating in the discussion of the topic.
        As a rule, a bunch of minuses does not mean a decrease in rating.
        Usually. I plus old acquaintances, many army generals, all representatives of the female part of users, messages I liked, PERIODICALLY VIEWING THE TOPIC AND NOTING messages not yet read.
        This is the only way we can resist this flooding and trolling.
        Don't despair, happiness is not in the ranking and not in uniform. Although it can be a shame.
        1. +7
          15 March 2024 10: 05
          Well, yes, it was the trolls who didn’t like the fact that they fell into the hands of the Russians and died in terrible agony. The trolls probably decided that this torment was not at all moral.
        2. +6
          15 March 2024 16: 26
          I already wrote, but I’ll repeat it for those who are especially literate. The disadvantages are mostly caused by trolls on the site (perhaps they are even Russophobes who are inclined to do nasty things).
          So you basically don’t consider people with different opinions? what if these people with a different opinion turn out to be right? what will you do then?
      2. +21
        15 March 2024 10: 04
        This truth has nothing to do with today and your parallel is extremely far-fetched and artificial. Recall that in 1812 Moscow was burned, thousands of villages and dozens of cities were destroyed, thousands of churches were desecrated, and the army was led by the great Kutuzov, whom Alexander was forced to appoint as commander of the army, bypassing the Minister of War, for example?
        There is nothing in your post other than propaganda pipes and bells.
        And yes, one of the minuses is mine. hi
        And I'm not from Tsipso. I get checked at work twice a year bully
      3. +8
        15 March 2024 11: 51
        Quote: BAT-MENT
        Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened. So it will be, they will all die on our land!

        It would be indecent to compare the logistics of the 19th century with the 21st.
        1. -11
          15 March 2024 12: 58
          That’s not why I posted this, but because the aggressor will have only one end and it will be terrible!
      4. -4
        15 March 2024 12: 07
        Yeah, they’ve been downvoted quite a bit)))
      5. man
        +8
        15 March 2024 13: 40
        Quote: BAT-MENT
        Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened. So it will be, they will all die on our land! This will be a people's war against the invaders of Russian land!

        Don’t worry, it’s the administration of VO that is minus you so as not to pay for stars! They don’t want you to become an officer. They’re completely stupefied with stinginess, not only do they pay crumbs, but they also delay payment. I just received it for January today am
        1. -7
          15 March 2024 13: 51
          I didn't know they paid here? Is this true or what?
          1. man
            +11
            15 March 2024 13: 56
            Quote: BAT-MENT
            I didn't know they paid here? Is this true or what?

            What do you think, are we sick or something, we can sit here for free for days?!
            But only officers are paid, starting with lieutenants
            1. +4
              15 March 2024 14: 05
              only officers are paid, starting with lieutenants
              And those living abroad are entitled to travel allowances belay ?
              1. man
                +7
                15 March 2024 14: 09
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                only officers are paid, starting with lieutenants
                And those living abroad are entitled to travel allowances belay ?

                Only for illegal immigrants, but they pay well. And there were all sorts of goodies, like free milk for being harmful, but they were canceled after the elimination of direct flights sad
              2. +4
                15 March 2024 14: 17
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                only officers are paid, starting with lieutenants
                And those living abroad are entitled to travel allowances belay ?

                Only if they are GRU employees. laughing lol wassat
                Military officers pay naval officers more than army officers. sad
                1. +6
                  15 March 2024 14: 18
                  Military officers pay naval officers more than army officers.
                  And then there is discrimination. I'll go complain Yes .
            2. +4
              15 March 2024 14: 42
              Quote: mann
              What do you think, are we sick or something, we can sit here for free for days?!
              But only officers are paid, starting with lieutenants

              fellow laughing good
      6. man
        +9
        15 March 2024 13: 48
        Quote: BAT-MENT
        Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened. So it will be, they will all die on our land! This will be a people's war against the invaders of Russian land!

        It’s the French who are still minus! I noticed how the topic about macron is being attacked by a bunch of French people. They don’t care about the torment of horses! Now, if you could describe the suffering of frogs...
        1. -1
          15 March 2024 13: 50
          It wasn’t me who described this, it was a French officer who wrote in his diary...
          1. man
            +6
            15 March 2024 13: 53
            Quote: BAT-MENT
            It wasn’t me who described this, it was a French officer who wrote in his diary...

            So don’t despair, protest. Write to Macron, it won’t help, contact the Supreme Court of France
            1. -3
              15 March 2024 13: 54
              It would be better to write to the home for the disabled, it would be of more use! Besides, this is a story you can't argue with.
              1. man
                +4
                15 March 2024 14: 00
                Quote: BAT-MENT
                It would be better to write to the home for the disabled, it would be of more use! Besides, this is a story you can't argue with.

                Right! Therefore, fight, I’m sure you will win. The French court is objective. They may also award you compensation... for moral suffering. I will root for you, good luck!
        2. -2
          15 March 2024 16: 28
          And the torment of our soldiers, if suddenly something happens and troops are brought in, let’s say, doesn’t interest you?
      7. +10
        15 March 2024 15: 31
        The minus is those who understand that the Russian Empire =/= USSR =/= Russian Federation, and that these are nothing more than cheap attempts to cling to the former glory of completely different countries that have little in common with modern Russia.
        1. 0
          15 March 2024 16: 29
          Well, why do they have little in common? Did our ancestors suddenly change?
          I would say that we as a people are relatively similar, the state machine has changed and nothing more.
          1. -3
            15 March 2024 17: 23
            Yes, this ignoramus, to put it mildly, does not share what a state, people, country and political system are, he still tries to teach.
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          2. +2
            15 March 2024 18: 07
            That is, you also visit your exes and talk to their current ones about your military past))
            How's the face? whole?
        2. -1
          15 March 2024 17: 22
          It’s disgusting to read such reasoning. Russia, its people with a glorious history and traditions, in other countries are proud of their ancestors, but here some people come out and say, no, no, this is not about us, we are a different country. Doesn’t remind anyone who also decided that they were a different people?
          1. +4
            15 March 2024 18: 09
            Because, formally, we are a 30+ year old remake.
            Like the other neighboring 14.
            1. -2
              15 March 2024 18: 22
              Do you know who this mankurt is? I don't think it's worth explaining. The people and my country are not the Yeltsins-Gorbachevs, they are my ancestors, a common history, a common culture. If you want to consider yourself a remake, if you like it that way, our neighbors are like that, they even carried out decommunization. Great, right?
      8. +4
        15 March 2024 16: 24
        Who downvotes everything anyway?
        obviously sensible people
        So it will be
        no, it won't happen like that
        they will all die on our land!
        They may die and they will die, but can you imagine what it will cost us?
        This will be a people's war against the invaders of Russian land!
        Well, commenting here will only spoil...
      9. 0
        15 March 2024 18: 05
        At least you planted parsley in your dacha ;0/
      10. 0
        16 March 2024 19: 26
        Quote: BAT-MENT
        Who downvotes everything anyway? It's true, that's how it happened. So it will be, they will all die on our land! This will be a people's war against the invaders of Russian land!

        There were a lot of things in history.
        Including the Crimean War and the Japanese War.
        So they downvote enthusiastic individuals who fall into ecstasy and do not provide real analysis.
    2. +3
      15 March 2024 23: 19
      As Kozma Prutkov said - “Look at the root!” Grandma’s husband, who is Macaron, is a former “little bully” from the structures of the Rothschild clan, who put him in charge of France in their interests. When all of France was shaken by the “yellow vests” and farmers who were told not to pour (affordable diesel), Macaron resisted horn into the asphalt and refused to make concessions! So that the owners do not become poor, otherwise it will be easier in their pockets. The Rothschilds are fighting their gums with Soros, who planted a sleepy trinket in the White Hut - Biden. Who did not hesitate to spoil the air, standing next to the Queen of England - probably inattentively read the instructions on the “green climate agenda” from Soros! After which the queen considered that it was simply unbearable to continue living like this and played the game! This November, Biden has elections. Macaron is already in his second term and the law does not give him the presidency - which means he can take risks. Biden, through Soros, and he, through the Rothschilds, ordered Macaron to escalate! And this cockerel can get into trouble like chickens in a plucking situation because he’s a lackey, which means he’ll get into trouble! Well, as folklore says, they even beat fools in church!" Although I feel a little sorry for France!
      1. 0
        16 March 2024 02: 01
        I had material that touched on these family issues, just about Central Asia.
        https://topwar.ru/237140-zachem-centralnoj-azii-ponadobilas-britanskaja-sistema-prava.html
        And even before that
        https://topwar.ru/237225-rotshildy-ili-reinkarnacija-idei-ost-indskoj-kompanii.html

        Well, I’m still writing on this topic right now. Actually the case is interesting. After the death of the senior “R”, there is no certainty that his shift will not interfere with each other, especially since Aryan is not his own. But there, too, women are no slouch. I think that it was not in vain that Macron hesitated after the death of the elder R. His obligations are through the roof, and they have long wanted to unite the family brand. But there are also enough objective economic reasons. The change of generations of elites is generally an interesting process, but also dangerous.
  3. -5
    15 March 2024 04: 55
    All this is nonsense, psychological treatment, the goal is to persuade Russia to negotiate. Let them crow further. But then it will be much more interesting..
    1. +2
      15 March 2024 08: 54
      What will happen next is not given to us to know. Only one thing is clear: they will prevent us from winning with all their might, including the introduction of troops from NATO countries
      1. -7
        15 March 2024 09: 03
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        introduction of NATO troops

        NATO will disown them.
        1. man
          +2
          15 March 2024 14: 22
          Quote: Edik
          Quote from: dmi.pris1
          introduction of NATO troops

          NATO will disown them.

          Of course, this changes things completely. We won’t be able to sue NATO sad
          1. -4
            15 March 2024 14: 28
            The meaning of your comment addressed to me? If you want to go to court, it’s better that you first go to the department and they will help you.
            1. man
              +3
              15 March 2024 14: 32
              Quote: Edik
              The meaning of your comment addressed to me? If you want to go to court, it’s better that you first go to the department and they will help you.

              Hmm... you really have a problem with the Russian language laughing Use Google for translation? request hi
              1. +1
                19 March 2024 15: 55
                I would recommend DeepL over Google.)
                1. man
                  0
                  21 March 2024 04: 14
                  Quote from: 陈乐为
                  DeepL

                  I'll have to try it. In any case, thanks! hi
      2. +4
        15 March 2024 13: 40
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        What will happen next is not given to us to know. Only one thing is clear: they will prevent us from winning with all their might, including the introduction of troops from NATO countries

        Win? What do you mean by this word in this question? Here the author provided quotes from several serious world resources:
        Russia has achieved its national security goals. This happened thanks to the annexation of Crimea and the strategically important naval base of Sevastopol in March 2014, as well as the subsequent conquests (September 2022) and annexation to Russia (from February 2022 to May 2023) of parts of Kherson, Zaporozhye, Donetsk and Lugansk region with the aim of forming a reliable sanitary cordon for the protection of Crimea,”
        and judging by the guarantor's latest statements about its readiness to negotiate... I have no reason to doubt the plausibility of these conclusions.
        1. +1
          15 March 2024 18: 11
          Because there will be no "victory". Like other “strategic” pieces of rock in the middle of a puddle in the 21st century
    2. +21
      15 March 2024 09: 11
      Quote: Edik
      it will be much more interesting next..

      More interesting? Do you mean more corpses, destruction and dispossessed people on all sides of the conflict? Is it interesting in the Belgorod region now? What is this "interest"? Perhaps I misunderstood your idea, please clarify.
      1. -8
        15 March 2024 09: 18
        Quote: Mishka78
        Perhaps I misunderstood your idea, please clarify.

        Excuse me for my Russian and not clearly expressed thoughts! What I meant was that the rhetoric will become harsher and harsher, we are already in the Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0!
        1. +10
          15 March 2024 10: 31
          the rhetoric will become harsher and harsher, we are already in the Cuban Missile Crisis 2.0

          rhetoric (chatter - in Russian) may be tougher, but in 1962 there was a sovereign leader at the helm (albeit a tyrant) - no match for today's puppets and talkers...
          1. -2
            15 March 2024 10: 53
            Previously, in general, the grass was greener and the trees were taller! Are you talking about Khrushchev, who with his monetary reform derailed the economy of the USSR and shot the workers? You would have complained about life in a whisper in the kitchen at that time!
            1. +10
              15 March 2024 11: 57
              Quote: Edik
              You would have been complaining about life in a whisper in the kitchen at that time!

              And the Internet is the kitchen. International scale.
    3. +1
      15 March 2024 16: 32
      What will we do if it turns out not to be nonsense? Can you imagine the whole scope of this problem?
      Or maybe you have information about such means in our country that we are not afraid of the French, and therefore you consider this nonsense?
      1. -3
        15 March 2024 17: 46
        Quote from hellman
        What will we do if it turns out not to be nonsense?

        At least you understand me correctly. The nonsense is that they are intimidating us, they are intimidating us, a power that has a nuclear triad! The point is that they think that no one will touch them in Ukraine and they will stop us! But it won’t be like that , we cannot be defeated. The more they push their horns and their rhetoric, the closer we will be to a conflict with a nuclear component.
        1. +3
          15 March 2024 17: 55
          I understand the vector of your thoughts, but let me correct it

          they intimidate us, they intimidate us,
          I wouldn’t call it intimidation, but rather flexing one’s muscles (or measuring you know what), just a demonstration of strength.

          The point is that they think that no one will touch them in Ukraine and they will stop us
          Well, no one is stopping them from thinking like that? Can you imagine how offended they will be when their ideas are shattered by harsh reality?

          The more they push their horns and their rhetoric, the closer we will be to a conflict with a nuclear component.
          Well, here I think you can always give back on their part, but the fact that your reputation will be lost is another matter.
          1. -1
            15 March 2024 18: 05
            Quote from hellman
            Well, here I think you can always give back on their part, but the fact that your reputation will be lost is another matter.

            They have been there for a long time, but they want to play these games openly! Maybe something will break off! But the point is that for them, Ukraine is some kind of aborigines who have land and resources that can be put in their pocket. But for us this is our land for which our grandfathers shed their blood and the population of whom our brothers and sisters poisoned while we were climbing out of oppression. Who do you think will have more spirit and motives to go to the end in this situation? hi
            1. 0
              15 March 2024 18: 13
              Who do you think will have more spirit and motivation to go to the end in this situation?
              In principle, I agree with you in this expression
              1. -2
                15 March 2024 18: 22
                And our president, even if he wanted to, no longer has the ability to turn on the rear! The people will not understand this, now everyone lives by this, they root for and worry about our soldiers. If we stop, Ukraine will be combed again, armed and again thrown into the Donbass. Even if they will conclude something, we will still find a reason to resume everything in the very near future and add more pressure!
        2. 0
          16 March 2024 19: 32
          Quote: Edik
          The nonsense is that they are intimidating us, they are intimidating us, a power that has a nuclear triad!

          Have you noticed that the “power that has a nuclear triad” is intimidating?
          And that our leadership will have to think 100 times about the triad?
          The French decide on the use of nuclear weapons themselves and can respond very well. And what, “victory” at the current level will look worse for the leadership than a nuclear war?
          1. 0
            16 March 2024 19: 36
            So we’ll see who has stronger balls... It wasn’t us who came to them, but they who came to us and they know it.
            1. 0
              16 March 2024 23: 28
              Quote: Edik
              So we’ll see who has stronger balls... It wasn’t us who came to them, but they who came to us and they know it.

              And the eggs are stronger - in what way?
              Who will use nuclear weapons? They are not going to be the first - they will simply send in troops.
              And what will be the strength of our eggs?
              1. 0
                17 March 2024 01: 05
                And the fact is that we will carefully hit the bridgehead with nuclear weapons, even if it is on Polish territory! And let them think. Here we will see who has the stronger balls. And they will have the following choice: To wipe themselves out or burn in a nuclear armageddon.
  4. -2
    15 March 2024 04: 59
    Yeah... the Gascony cockerel has made a lot of noise in Europe... even in VO, what's the article already???
    Apparently, in Washington they decided to appoint France to the role of “beloved wife of the European harem”... so the “older amateur” is trying to put together a gang of marauding peacekeepers... and there are plenty of people who want to plunder half-dead Ukraine.
    So the scavenger feast has been given the green light, definitely. They will rob as always... under the guise of peacekeepers.
    In terms of timing, I think it’s most likely in the summer... but before the Trump election.
    - the Franks really need the Kirovograd mining and processing plant in Zhovti Vody... African uranium has been lost, the Kazakhs refused... albeit a little, but still a freebie.
    - the psheks will take “theirs” anyway... Lvov and Volhynia...
    - Urban will finally reunite with the Magyars of Mukachevo.
    - the Germans will take control of all pipe lines and the remains of industrial production.
    - the British the entire maritime infrastructure of Odessa, Ochakov and Nikolaev.
    They will not fight with us, definitely...they will put a space between themselves and us in the form of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions... goodbye Vilna Ukraine...
    1. -21
      15 March 2024 05: 17
      Quote: kepmor
      They won't fight us, that's for sure.

      How do you imagine this? They have already been told where they will enter, they will remain there, we have clearly marked our clearing. There will be attacks on them, it is not yet known with what, we may even use nuclear weapons. But they will not fight with us. The jokes are long over, It's time for everyone to be afraid.
      1. +27
        15 March 2024 06: 03
        For the third year now, we haven’t been able to dig up “our designated clearing”... and, apparently, we won’t be able to anymore.
        It could have been a ride in 14, but there was no desire... and even now it’s not particularly visible.
        I am sure that behind the scenes of leavened patriotism from the Kremlin heralds in our media, in the diplomatic line and intelligence services, painstaking work is underway on the negotiation process... as they say, bargaining is always appropriate...
        And what kind of nuclear weapons strikes are you talking about... funny...
        The worst thing will happen if we end up “with nothing”... and the likelihood of this is considerable...
        1. -17
          15 March 2024 06: 15
          Quote: kepmor
          For the third year now, we haven’t been able to dig up “our designated clearing”... and, apparently, we won’t be able to anymore.

          And you can’t stand it? “Rudeness”
          Quote: kepmor
          What kind of nuclear weapons strikes are you talking about?

          If only I could talk about this, there is already a boom in bunker construction going on there in the West. What am I talking about? All the way, first when Crimea, then when Donbass, now when we win. Then it will be when Poland, then when France, not to France We won’t go, but we’ll scare the crap out of you.. Be patient, don’t spoil your nerves.
          1. man
            +3
            15 March 2024 14: 42
            Be patient, don’t spoil your nerves.
            Translation: “patience, just patience” Carlson.
    2. +5
      15 March 2024 08: 05
      Quote: kepmor
      In terms of timing, I think it’s most likely in the summer... but before the Trump election.
      - the Franks really need the Kirovograd mining and processing plant in Zhovti Vody... African uranium has been lost, the Kazakhs refused... albeit a little, but still a freebie.
      - the psheks will take “theirs” anyway... Lvov and Volhynia...
      - Urban will finally reunite with the Magyars of Mukachevo.
      - the Germans will take control of all pipe lines and the remains of industrial production.
      - the British the entire maritime infrastructure of Odessa, Ochakov and Nikolaev.


      You obviously don’t quite understand how the Western system works…. what was described for the most part by the horror stories of the GDP, which tells how the territory of Ukraine will be divided by its “allies”, and here either his wishes, or all the stories have a different goal.

      And the catch in all this is the US position... who will allow Poland/Hungary and all the other neighbors to take their piece? Large amounts of money have been poured into Ukraine; giving up territories to the “allies” means writing off everything, and in the future, Ukraine will not be able to pose a threat to Russia in such a scenario; the West is not interested in this option.

      And what he will be interested in is a division along the current line of limitation (everything that is below us remains for us, everything that is not is Ukraine), with a ban on joining NATO, but at the same time Ukraine will be in the EU and will receive security guarantees from G -7 in the future…. and this is the most likely outcome of the event. They would have come to this a long time ago, but the problem is the position of the English-speaking centers + globalists who want to continue the banquet and weaken Russia... as soon as their resources run out or there are big changes (Trump comes to power with the support of national elites), then everything can stop, and with Russia will conclude some kind of agreement.
      1. man
        +3
        15 March 2024 15: 08
        as soon as their resources run out or there are big changes (Trump comes to power with the support of national elites), then everything may stop, and some kind of agreement will be concluded with Russia.
        but the sanctions will not be lifted anyway! Therefore, do not roll your lips!
      2. +1
        15 March 2024 15: 26
        Trump will come to power with the support of national elites
        but the problem is the position of the English-speaking centers + globalists who want to continue the banquet


        Do you think Trump will win over English-speaking centers?
        Doesn’t the fact that the Maidan, the coup d’etat took place under Trump, bother you?
        As long as the Russophobic Kiev regime is in power, there will always be a danger of war.
        1. +2
          15 March 2024 16: 01
          Quote: nickname7
          Do you think Trump will win over English-speaking centers?
          Doesn’t the fact that the Maidan, the coup d’etat took place under Trump, bother you?


          If you mean 2014, then Barack Obama (2008-2017) was a Democrat. Trump came after him. And he paid special attention to the Middle East (Iran) and the main rival of the United States, China.

          Therefore, with his arrival, the focus of attention may again shift from Russia to China... and this will be beneficial for us, unlike Biden, who is trying to maintain relations with the PRC and at the same time spending resources on the confrontation with Russia.

          And then, not everything is so simple in their power structure... Western elites are not just afraid of Trump’s coming because... US policy/focus will be somewhat different, more inward looking than outward looking, and that will have consequences.
  5. -1
    15 March 2024 05: 05
    I agree with the author's conclusions. On the other hand, NATO troops are already present in territory occupied by the enemy. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter whether NATO leaders voice this officially or not: the fact remains a fact. The only thing that the official entry of troops will lead to is that ours will have more legitimate goals. Well, and the opportunity to declare that NATO has entered into a war with Russia.
    1. 0
      15 March 2024 16: 34
      The only thing that the official entry of troops will lead to is that ours will have more legitimate goals.
      Well, this is a rather sensitive question. What do you mean by legitimate purposes for us?
      1. +3
        15 March 2024 17: 28
        Any military personnel on the enemy side are targets. Any technique too. What's so sensitive about this? There is fighting going on. If military formations appear on enemy territory that pose a potential threat to us, they must be destroyed.
        1. +2
          15 March 2024 17: 44
          Any military personnel on the enemy side are targets
          That's right, I agree with you.
          If military formations appear on enemy territory that pose a potential threat to us, they must be destroyed.
          Here the question immediately arises: What is more important for defeat for us as a defeat - the Ukrainians at the front, posing a direct threat to us, or the French Troops and other troops in the rear of Ukraine and posing a potential threat?

          And in principle I agree with you, I just misunderstood you a little.
          1. +3
            15 March 2024 17: 51
            Here the question immediately arises: What is more important for defeat for us as a defeat - the Ukrainians at the front, posing a direct threat to us, or the French Troops and other troops in the rear of Ukraine and posing a potential threat?
            And those and others. The troops on the front line pose a direct threat to our soldiers, but they are not homogeneous: there are mobilized ones, who are driven into suicidal attacks, and who are trying to surrender, and ideological nationalists. And foreign mercenaries, by the way. Foreign, non-Ukrainian, troops are better trained, and may well be thrown into battle instead of Ukrainians. Therefore, they pose a potential threat.
        2. +1
          15 March 2024 18: 17
          That’s why the Armenians got together with the CSTO...
          And they asked for a bed next.
  6. +11
    15 March 2024 05: 07
    We were immediately told that Macron’s words were nonsense and hysteria. Why discuss this every day?

    And I expressed my opinion a long time ago. Western troops as specialists, mercenaries, special forces and "vacationers" are already there. They just need to expand their presence. Is it possible? More than. There are no red lines.
    1. +5
      15 March 2024 05: 40
      they probe))) first helmets, armored vehicles and medicine and nini, then shells, tanks, planes and nothing else, then missiles and then paras and dzhonsonyuks will appear in the army
    2. -2
      15 March 2024 05: 41
      Hello Stas hi We discussed this back in 2014, they’ve all been hanging around there since 2014. Do you remember they talked about the Cuban missile crisis...
      Quote: Stas157
      There are no red lines.

      Well, why not Stas, this is why we actually started the war because they crossed our red lines, no?
    3. man
      +2
      15 March 2024 15: 13
      There are no red lines.
      How is it not? For some reason, we have more red lines than the Chinese have the latest warnings
  7. -16
    15 March 2024 05: 07
    Maybe it’s time to march victoriously across Europe?
    1. +14
      15 March 2024 09: 32
      You don't need war to be a tourist. If you can't afford a hotel and plane ticket, you can hitchhike. For overnight stays, please let me know your travel dates and I will try to find you cheap hostels. laughing
    2. +13
      15 March 2024 10: 19
      What for? And most importantly, what? Both Alexander1 and Stalin were on the verge of losing the country before they accomplished this. A huge strain of forces, huge human losses, the devastation of the western part of the country. Totally mobilizing society. But in 1812 these were powerless serfs, in the 40s of the last century, extremely patriotic Soviet people. Who are you mobilizing today? Managers, gamers, bloggers, shopaholics? They will fight... Yes
    3. +9
      15 March 2024 13: 47
      Quote: Aleksandral
      Maybe it’s time to march victoriously across Europe?

      I see they have already passed through Ukraine in a victorious march...
      1. man
        +1
        15 March 2024 15: 20
        Quote: Zoer
        Quote: Aleksandral
        Maybe it’s time to march victoriously across Europe?

        I see they have already passed through Ukraine in a victorious march...

        Sorry for the unintentional plagiarism, I was in a hurry hi
    4. man
      +2
      15 March 2024 15: 18
      Quote: Aleksandral
      Maybe it’s time to march victoriously across Europe?

      Yeah, it’s about time. As soon as we finish the victorious march across Ukraine, right away
    5. +1
      15 March 2024 17: 49
      Quote: Aleksandral
      Maybe it’s time to march victoriously across Europe?

      First you need to get off the couch, winner
  8. +4
    15 March 2024 05: 08
    The scenario of events is the same as in 1918. Ukraine + Far East + North-West.
    And even the Brest-Litovsk peace in the form of the Minsk agreements.

    There is only one difference: a century ago WWI ended with this, and today WWI begins from the same page.
  9. +10
    15 March 2024 05: 22
    The conclusion is simple, informal negotiations are underway, the parties are bargaining, Markon’s statement is an attempt to put pressure on the Russian side so that they can leave less for themselves.
    1. +10
      15 March 2024 05: 45
      but I love this))) they are talking about sanctions with Usmanov, they want to lift them Abramovich is flying like a broomstick Volozha has already been cleared of sanctions
      1. +16
        15 March 2024 05: 54
        but I love it)))
        As if, once again, amendments to the Constitution would not have to be adopted in the section that states which territories are part of the Russian Federation. And such a purely conspiratorial question is tormenting: so there are still large reserves of shale oil near Slavyansk and Kramatorsk? At one time they said that Biden Jr. bought these territories. And the database, for example, is not particularly directed towards Slavyansk and Kramatorsk. Perhaps This is all speculation, but somehow all the events that are happening are suggestive.
        1. +1
          15 March 2024 05: 57
          the economy revolves around politicians and not the other way around, whoever thinks otherwise should go to school today and not surf websites for uncles))
        2. -6
          15 March 2024 07: 05
          It is unlikely that the Constitution will have to be changed (for new territories of Russia). I think the West will be ready to cede all 4 regions in full, otherwise we will completely lose face. But it seems that this is all that they can now be ready for for the sake of “peace”. How far this will suit us is another question. The people are already strongly attuned to the Russian status of at least Kharkov, Nikolaev and Odessa. And I probably don’t want to disappoint people.
          1. +15
            15 March 2024 08: 21
            Quote: Berezin
            And I probably don’t want to disappoint people.


            If a command is given to our media, they will justify anything... for example: Kherson joining Russia, on TV - billboards of Kherson together with Russia, our flags, the city was added to the weather forecast and played until the departure of our Russian Armed Forces... as soon as the city came under Ukrainian control - SILENCE. They removed it from the weather forecasts (as if our regional city wasn’t even there), all the officials seemed to have taken too much water in their mouths…. Occasionally there are some statements from officials from the Kherson region, but at the federal level there is silence.

            Therefore, any failure can be justified or forgotten (switch attention to other topics).
            1. -3
              15 March 2024 11: 14
              They also don’t talk about the weather in Zaporozhye on TV, but this does not mean that we have disowned this city. I am sure that our enemies also understand this and take it into account in behind-the-scenes negotiations, if, of course, they take place. But about Kharkov - it’s a different matter, I’m not even talking about Odessa. Of course I'm talking about their tactics
          2. +10
            15 March 2024 09: 37
            otherwise our face is completely lost.
            I doubt what the West would think about our face
            1. -4
              15 March 2024 11: 08
              Thinking about saving the face of the counterparty in the negotiations is the ABC of diplomacy. Of course, if you have good reasons for demanding surrender, then there is no need to worry about it. But this is a different situation
              1. +4
                15 March 2024 13: 54
                Quote: Berezin
                Thinking about saving the face of the counterparty in the negotiations is the ABC of diplomacy.

                The counterparty for the West is Ukraine. And they are just a little worried about her face. We are an enemy for the West, and they think about our face only in that way, how to hit it harder, with the help of their counterparty.
            2. +2
              15 March 2024 13: 52
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              I doubt what the West would think about our face

              Absolutely right! The West's face also hurts. Not as much as ours, of course, but here everyone thinks about their own.
        3. +2
          15 March 2024 09: 47
          Quote: parusnik
          As if, once again, amendments to the Constitution would not have to be adopted in the section that states which territories are part of the Russian Federation.

          If we accept amendments to the Constitution, then it MUST BE IN THE PART where it is written:
          Article 9
          1. Land and other natural resources are used and protected in the Russian Federation as the basis of the life and activities of the peoples living in the relevant territory.
          2. Land and other natural resources may be in private, state, municipal and other forms of ownership
          Article 31
          Citizens of the Russian Federation have the right to assemble peacefully, without weapons, to hold meetings, rallies and demonstrations, marches and pickets.
        4. man
          +4
          15 March 2024 15: 24
          Lest we once again have to adopt amendments to the Constitution
          nothing, we're used to it
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  10. -5
    15 March 2024 05: 29
    Information from yesterday's news from VO. Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: Since the beginning of the Northern Military District, almost six thousand foreign mercenaries have been eliminated in Ukraine. Yesterday

    In total, according to the defense department, 13 foreign mercenaries arrived, из которых almost six thousand have now been liquidated.
    Of the 2960 Polish mercenaries, 1 people have been eliminated so far.
    Of the 1 Georgian militants, 042 were killed.
    Of the 1 foreign mercenaries from the United States, 113 militants have already been eliminated.
    Also, Canadian mercenaries have already been destroyed (422 out of 1005).
    822 mercenaries arrived from Great Britain, of which 360 were destroyed.
    Of the 784 Romanian mercenaries, 349 militants were killed.
    235 militants who had forgotten history arrived from Germany, 88 of whom found their deaths.
    356 militants arrived from France, of which 147 were killed.
    feel NATO has been in the fields of Ukraine for a long time; the safari has been open since 2014. fool Two full-fledged divisions from NATO without unnecessary formalism. Macron simply proposed a flag and is implementing the US decision, the destruction of China’s European market, through the destruction of NATO armed forces in the fields of Ukraine and the migrant rebellion in Europe.
    And a reason for us to endlessly think: to hit, not to hit... request
    One division was buried, good. Another 50-100 thousand will arrive, they need to be beaten at takeoff, on the way.... feel No truces until complete demilitarization and denazification. angry
  11. +2
    15 March 2024 05: 51
    In our modern world, nothing is impossible. All warriors are stopped only by the attitude of societies towards war. Still, societies have a sense of self-preservation. This is confirmed by last year’s demonstrations in Warsaw against mobilization. And Macron launched this to hear the opinion of his society. Someone doesn’t care about this. But it is protest movements that can lead to the end of aid to Ukraine. The stakes in the current game are too high.
  12. +4
    15 March 2024 06: 23
    Can a power that relies not on its own strength, but on certain agreements with other players, be considered sovereign, and, moreover, be called a great power?

    Especially when resources allow, the population for the most part is unanimous on the issue of the need to achieve military victory and the complete defeat of the enemy, and the presence of the most modern and massive nuclear weapons, it would seem, allows you to simply dictate your terms?

    Instead, there is a sluggish foreign policy and constant humiliations on the part of partners, such as the failure of ambassadors to appear, the confiscation of diplomatic property, the seizure of cars with our license plates, etc.

    I'm looking for an answer and can't find it.
    1. -15
      15 March 2024 07: 45
      Quote: avia12005
      Instead, a sluggish foreign policy

      Please teach me what it should be like? At least what to say?
    2. +8
      15 March 2024 08: 40

      I'm looking for an answer and can't find it

      The answer to your first question was in April 22nd, when Elochka was left to manage the money
    3. +3
      15 March 2024 10: 32
      It’s just an ambush with the population. They drove forty-year-old hard workers into the trenches, this “population” suits him. Here you can be patriotic, no matter what. Wrestlers understand this very well. It was they who, having accepted power from the hands of the usurper, cultivated twenty-one-year-olds among the “population.”
    4. man
      0
      15 March 2024 20: 12
      the presence of the most modern and massive nuclear weapons, it would seem, allows you to simply dictate your terms?
      What is the use of having nuclear weapons if no one believes that they can be used...
  13. +20
    15 March 2024 06: 26
    This has been going on for three years now, and the “hat-throwers” ​​still won’t calm down.
    1. -23
      15 March 2024 08: 57
      All to the polls !!!

      Quote: tatra
      This has been going on for three years now, and the “hat-throwers” ​​still won’t calm down.

      Do you doubt our victory? History says that Russia cannot be defeated either by an external adversary or by internal narrow-minded Pithecanthropes.
      1. +16
        15 March 2024 09: 45
        Firstly, there is no need to align yourself with either the Soviet people or the people in pre-revolutionary Russia, they had victorious wars, and you had a peace treaty with the Chechen separatists, and there will only be a peace treaty with the Ukrainian enemies of the USSR. And it is precisely about a peace treaty with them, and not about any victory for us with them, that Putin has been talking about for more than a year. The “hat-throwers” ​​need to return from their Looking Glass to our Earth.
        1. -15
          15 March 2024 09: 59
          All to the polls !!!

          Quote: tatra
          Firstly, there is no need to align yourself with either the Soviet people or the people in pre-revolutionary Russia

          "He who does not remember his past has no future"

          We don't adapt. We are them! These are our ancestors and these are our glorious victories. I am proud of them and people like you will not be able to take them away from us!
          1. +5
            15 March 2024 16: 12
            We don't adapt. We are them

            Don’t lie, the elite of the union did not have yachts and estates in NATO countries. We now have a situation as if Stalin’s ministers invested in Berlin in 41, so today we are not them. We are bourgeois selling out the country.
            You should be proud of your past achievements, but this will not help you win today. To win, you need to introduce a tax on the oligarchs, which you are keeping silent about because you are shielding the compoadors.
            You have the most cons, your lies don’t work.
            1. 0
              15 March 2024 17: 44
              Quote: nickname7
              Don’t lie, the elite of the union did not have yachts and estates in NATO countries

              Are the people of the country a solid elite or ordinary people? Should I now forget my ancestors, consider them different people? Just like you studied in school, you share such concepts as people, state, political system.
              Quote: nickname7
              You should be proud of your past achievements, but this will not help you win today.

              Why won't this help? During the Second World War they showed Nevsky's victory, and they also pretended to be so?
              Or should patritism appear among people? How do you imagine it?
              Quote: nickname7
              You have the most cons, your lies don’t work.

              This is basically a kindergarten, plus or minus. There are such crystallized bots here, they are directly carrying reports from Unian
      2. +8
        15 March 2024 09: 46
        I have learned a lot since I came to this site, so I will tell you: “There are two problems in Russia: fools and the streets.” I think you are a street. laughing
        1. +4
          15 March 2024 12: 06
          Quote: Decimalegio
          “There are two problems in Russia: fools and the streets.” I think you are a street.

          There is even a proverb: “Seven miles is no detour for a fool.”
        2. +2
          15 March 2024 13: 50
          “There are two problems in Russia: fools and the streets.” I think you are the street
          laughing good hi
  14. +3
    15 March 2024 06: 37
    "Will NATO troops appear in Ukraine?" - will appear. The only question is what to understand by NATO countries (individual countries or all of NATO) and the word “will appear” - individual units of NATO countries have been there for a long time. And what territories of Ukraine will they enter?
  15. +12
    15 March 2024 06: 45
    Question for Z-patriots: does the Kremlin still trade with France?
    1. -20
      15 March 2024 07: 10
      Quote: Gardamir
      Z-patriots

      I am like that and we will get to you! It doesn’t matter where you stumble.
      Quote: Gardamir
      Does the Kremlin still trade with France?

      Sanctions, no, haven’t you heard?
      1. +13
        15 March 2024 09: 34
        Sanctions, no, haven’t you heard?
        Did the sanctions affect uranium? Doesn't Russia sell it to the USA anymore?
    2. -15
      15 March 2024 09: 01
      All to the polls !!!

      Quote: Gardamir
      Question for Z-patriots: does the Kremlin still trade with France?

      Find out when the West (France) declared war on us!
      Are there regular French MILITARY units in Ukraine?
      1. +9
        15 March 2024 09: 22
        Our regular military units were also not in Korea or Vietnam, but this did not stop us from shooting down US planes. No one declared war on the USA either.
        1. +1
          15 March 2024 17: 51
          Quote: Vladimir M
          Our regular military units were also not in Korea or Vietnam, but this did not stop us from shooting down US planes.

          And then they didn’t trade with Europe or the USA? What I mean is that even when we had direct clashes, trade continued. There is no need to go to extremes, the difference is in the situation of the children and the location of capital, where the management saw their future.
    3. +11
      15 March 2024 09: 21
      Quote: Gardamir
      Does the Kremlin still trade with France?

      By the way, yesterday Putin canceled the nationalization of the French Danone in the Russian Federation.
      Putin reversed his decision to transfer shares in the Russian subsidiary of Danone to the Federal Property Management Agency due to “expediency”
      https://www.rbc.ru/business/14/03/2024/65f2bfba9a7947402da0b108

      And even Macron immediately began to back down regarding the deployment of troops.
      The reporter:
      “So you don’t rule out sending troops to Ukraine?”
      Emmanuel Macron:
      “Well, yes, you, like you, are sitting on a chair and do not exclude the possibility that you will stand up!”

      https://t.me/Truevgen/16162

      So I’m wondering if these 2 circumstances are connected..
  16. -12
    15 March 2024 06: 58
    Medvedev made it clear yesterday in the cart: there will be no division of Ukraine. It will ALL become part of Russia)) that’s the only way
    1. +8
      15 March 2024 07: 29
      Medvedev can say whatever he wants. But Russia will not be able to take all of Ukraine, even theoretically. This is simply not possible; there are both objective and subjective reasons for this. The question here is whether the Russian leadership will decide to take the north, south and east of Ukraine. There is no desire (possibility) to do this yet.
    2. -3
      15 March 2024 07: 53
      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      there will be no division of Ukraine. It will ALL become part of Russia)) that’s the only way

      But I still believe in Molfar Nechay
      Nechai said that there would be no such state (Ukraine), and the peoples inhabiting it would disperse to other countries and finally find peace.
      He said that there is no need to regret the rotting corpse (this is his literal expression, only translated into Russian).
      And he also said that these lands would be saturated with a putrid smell, and for a long time the people would remember him, with fear telling their descendants about a lost country in which one people, not remembering kinship, decided to conquer another. The one from which he went.
      Nechai called the Russes the most ancient people on the planet, from which many other peoples of the world went, and argued that there is no one in which Slavic blood would not flow.

      I quote his words spoken for a TV correspondent. Those who wish will find this interview in the Hutsul dialect and can listen to it.
      correspondent: ... that is, our prospects are not bright? This civilization has.
      Mikhailo Nechay: No, no, we are going down, our gene pool is dying out.
      correspondent: Only Ukraine?
      Mikhailo Nechay: And Ukraine. Transcarpathian Ukraine will be Magyars and Czechs. Galicia will be under Poland. Eastern and Central Ukraine will be under Russia, Bukovina will be under Romania.
      correspondent: So you think that Ukraine will split?
      Mikhailo Nechai: Surely. Ukraine will not be on the map, but this is a temporary phenomenon ...
      Correspondent: And when will it be revived?
      Mikhailo Nechay: Never in this form! It will be a completely different country and not in these parts.

      Giving away the memory will be a concession to Europe.
      Ukrainians will disperse to different countries - they already have
      the earth will be saturated with the smell of corpses - there is also

      It remains for the Kremlin not to flinch in order to fulfill the prophecy in its entirety.
      1. 0
        15 March 2024 08: 00
        Egoza, I think that this will happen, as Nechai predicted. The only question is when - under the current leadership, or "far to the right."
    3. +8
      15 March 2024 08: 36
      Medvedev made it clear

      Argumentation at the level of “science fiction writers wrote about Martians, which means they exist”
    4. -11
      15 March 2024 09: 06
      All to the polls !!!

      Quote from: FoBoss_VM
      Medvedev made it clear yesterday in the cart: there will be no division of Ukraine. It will ALL become part of Russia)) that’s the only way

      Medvedev writes in an English-language cart completely different from what he writes in a Russian-language cart. There is no faith in two-faced Janus!

      There will be no Ukraine. In its place (in the entire former Ukraine) there will be regions of Russia.
    5. +8
      15 March 2024 09: 31
      It will ALL become part of Russia))
      Yeah, we write two, one in mind..
  17. Eug
    +10
    15 March 2024 07: 19
    If everything is as the author writes, then you can only lick your lips at Odessa, Nikolaev, Ochakov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkov... however, you can always declare that the goals of the Northern Military District have been achieved, Donbass and eastern Ukraine have been destroyed and Russia is completely safe... .one can only hope that at least a lot will be wrong...
    1. +10
      15 March 2024 09: 28
      you can only lick your lips about Odessa, Nikolaev, Ochakov, Dnepropetrovsk, Zaporozhye, Kharkov..
      We’re also licking our lips about Slavyansk and Kramatorsk...what year...
  18. +6
    15 March 2024 07: 56
    I think NATO has already appeared in Ukraine - in the form of weapons, advisers, volunteers, intelligence.

    Apparently we are talking about when American Marines will enter Ukraine with unfurled banners in parade marches.

    This will happen either when the front cracks and the West considers a real threat to Ukrainian statehood, or after a truce is concluded, under the terms of which this will become permissible. The second option seems more likely to me.

    However, there are also intermediate options, when military contingents of NATO countries appear on the territory of Ukraine in the form of national units. For example, on the border with Belarus, which will allow Ukraine to release troops.

    I would not take into account the expectation that Trump will come and decide everything in our favor. I think all the talk about this in our media space is propaganda, with the goal of instilling hope in the population. Suffice it to remember Trump’s previous term - he introduced sanctions and confronted Russia in the same way. US foreign policy seems to depend little on one personality. If they keep such an elderly and not entirely healthy president without any particular problems, then a not entirely mentally healthy president will also change little.

    The main thing is that our authorities do not believe in the idea of ​​Trump’s help; they are not allowed to be so naive. Otherwise they will deceive you again...
    1. +11
      15 March 2024 08: 31
      This will happen either when
      “When one stick and nine holes destroy an entire army, when the king bares his head, and you remain in the hat, when... Well, you will know the third condition when the first two are fulfilled” (c)
      1. +1
        15 March 2024 11: 18
        :) The prophecy you indicated came true in the end!
        1. +2
          15 March 2024 11: 55
          The second has not yet come true, not to mention the first smile
          1. 0
            15 March 2024 13: 15
            Have I really forgotten this fairy tale so much? :) True, I remember the cartoon more than the book.
            1. +1
              15 March 2024 13: 45
              Until the whole army was exterminated, and according to sources (book and cartoon), everyone died along with the leader.
              1. 0
                15 March 2024 16: 02
                Well, everything is simple here - there are not enough sticks or holes.
    2. man
      0
      15 March 2024 20: 32
      Suffice it to remember Trump’s previous term - he introduced sanctions and confronted Russia in the same way.
      Yes, at least he did it with a sad look... sad
  19. +2
    15 March 2024 08: 05
    And since there will be no Russian troops in Odessa, that means there will be no NATO troops in Ukraine.

    I would like the author to substantiate his predictions... It just sounds as if someone was promised not to officially send troops into the outskirts if they didn’t go where they shouldn’t... We know the price of such promises...
  20. +4
    15 March 2024 08: 29
    that, despite the capture of Avdeevka
    From Avdeevka to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk it’s far away if you look at the map, but from Krasny Liman it’s closer, but there’s silence there..
  21. -12
    15 March 2024 08: 30
    In my opinion, the respected author takes upon himself to speak on behalf of the President of the Russian Federation V.V. Putin, asserting: “...they don’t think about any Odessa in Moscow...”, thus appropriating his powers, that during the period of the Northern Military District and on the eve of elections brings to mind thoughts of “Treason”; However, it’s not for me to judge. But to Comrade Major... Minus TsIPSO.
  22. -7
    15 March 2024 08: 50
    what is behind the French initiative to create an alliance to send troops to Ukraine

    In short, the Entente again. Let the little pasta read how it ended.
    1. -12
      15 March 2024 09: 24
      All to the polls !!!

      Quote: Egoza
      Let the little pasta read how it ended.

      Unfortunately, there is no point in talking about this for poor students. “History is not a teacher, but an overseer. It teaches nothing, but only punishes for an unlearned lesson” (Klyuchevsky)
  23. +7
    15 March 2024 09: 26
    Will NATO troops appear in Ukraine?: what is behind the French initiative to create an alliance to send troops to Ukraine

    Everything will depend ONLY ON WHAT STRATEGY RUSSIA WILL ADHESIVE.
    The policy of wait-and-see, the desire for negotiation processes until final victory, the lack of determination to destroy the funds of NATO countries providing assistance to the Nazis, the continuation of trade in resources that support the economy of enemies, an unrequited view of the harm and damage caused to Russia, half-hearted tactics (we play here, we don’t play here, here the fish was wrapped) - will not contribute to this.
    1. +6
      15 March 2024 09: 32
      I agree with you. But I think everything will develop according to the worst scenario.
  24. +10
    15 March 2024 09: 31
    This article claims to be a serious analytical review. But it describes fortune telling using coffee grounds or playing cards. Everything can be very serious. And you need to really prepare for this. It's time to stop the empty boasting. Stop remembering 1812. (what relation do we currently living have to these events).
    1. -1
      15 March 2024 10: 20
      Quote: Alexander_First
      Stop remembering 1812. (what relation do we currently living have to these events).

      Why is this enough? I will not talk about the lessons of history; it has already been said above that ignorance of history is punishable. But such reasoning about the fact that we have no relation is the reasoning of a person who does not know what the Motherland is, like the reasoning of those who left Russia and went abroad. These people also do not associate themselves with her. It is the connection with one’s country and its history that fosters patriotism in a person. For some reason, other peoples are proud of their holidays, their history, but we, according to similar reasoning, have nothing to do with our history. This is how it turns out that we have brought up a consumer society.
      1. +6
        15 March 2024 14: 57
        Remembering the heroic deeds of our ancestors is the right thing to do. But clinging to their glory is wrong. You have to earn fame yourself. And actually prove that we are also worth something.
        1. 0
          15 March 2024 15: 04
          Quote: Alexander_First
          (what relation do we currently living have to these events).

          I'm not talking about smearing, but about these words. We have the most direct connection with our country. Coping has nothing to do with it; it is part of our common history. What kind of pretense can there be here, give me the Order of a participant in the War of 1812?
      2. +6
        15 March 2024 15: 30
        The Russian Federation, to put it mildly, does not belong to the same weight category as the Russian Empire and the USSR, so remembering 1812 or 1945 and shouting “we can repeat it!” not worth it. Yes, formally all three states are Russia. Only a very different Russia.
        1. -1
          15 March 2024 15: 35
          During the Second World War they showed Nevsky, the Battle of the Ice was generally the time of the Ririkovichs. Days of military glory of Russia - Battle of Kulikovo. Also tell me that then they shouted, “we can repeat it,” some people went, brought up by the Echo of Moscow and other newfangled crap. Wake up people, VO is turning into a dumpster like Pikabu
        2. man
          0
          15 March 2024 21: 33
          Quote: Kmon
          The Russian Federation, to put it mildly, does not belong to the same weight category as the Russian Empire and the USSR, so remembering 1812 or 1945 and shouting “we can repeat it!” not worth it. Yes, formally all three states are Russia. Only a very different Russia.

          Well, why, Russia under Nicholas 2 during the time of Rasputin may well compete with the current weight categories in this competition, and the presence of nuclear weapons and other heritage of the Great USSR gives the Russian Federation much more weight than that of Nikolaev, in my opinion. Another thing is the strange behavior of the Russian authorities, some kind of hesitation, inconsistency, indecisiveness, etc.
  25. -7
    15 March 2024 09: 31
    However, this did not seem to stop Macron - later the American newspaper Politico wrote that France was creating an alliance of countries open to the potential sending of Western troops to Ukraine.
    The Gallic cockerel got excited about something. And he stopped halfway and would immediately announce the creation of the Fourth Reich, which would include all the “progressive forces of humanity.” For a final solution to the Russian question. Or will he announce more?!
  26. +6
    15 March 2024 09: 43
    Assumptions that Emmanuel Macron with his ....... seem unlikely to the author,

    Relax, people, and do not take this article as more than the author's personal views, gleaned from sources like himself.
    Where are the times when knowledge was needed to write a word? Now it’s enough to just imagine, not know...
    Anyone who has heard about the topic is an expert, anyone speaking is an expert...
  27. BAI
    +10
    15 March 2024 10: 19
    The situation in Ukraine suits the West. Russians kill Russians. The Russian government is cowardly and passive. Everything will remain unchanged.
    1. -3
      15 March 2024 11: 26
      "The situation in Ukraine suits the West. Russians are killing Russians. The Russian government is cowardly passive. Everything will remain unchanged."

      I don’t think that the Russian government is “cowardly passive.” I don’t think the government has anything to do with this process at all.

      If we talk about the power of Russia, then this power has chosen the line of behavior that seems to it the most appropriate from the point of view of power.

      The operation is underway within a limited framework, the economy is holding up, the losses are not critical, the LBS is not collapsing and is even moving forward, the direct enemy is already doubting their victory, their sponsors have begun to think about whether the costs will be justified, the government is strong and unshakable.

      You can live like this for a long, very long time. At the same time, we should not expect any external events harmful to us; they all seem to have already happened. But favorable events can happen.

      In principle, this line of behavior can give the desired effect - a profitable agreement will be concluded.
      1. +1
        15 March 2024 17: 41
        What do you know about losses and who will benefit from the contract?
      2. man
        +2
        15 March 2024 21: 46
        losses are not critical
        given our demographics, any losses are critical
    2. +6
      15 March 2024 11: 42
      From the point of view of the West, any development of events there is wonderful and will be accompanied by the killing of each other. They print money...
      Even 404 will collapse, partisanship and civil strife will begin between the regions of 404 for control over the Ports and communications.
  28. -4
    15 March 2024 10: 44
    And France is far from a champion in arms supplies to Ukraine. The cockerel cheats, oh, and cheats...
  29. -1
    15 March 2024 11: 01
    Firstly, troops will most likely appear if the US primaries show Trump winning. Secondly, this by and large does not concern the Russian Federation; in order to win, it is already necessary to greatly rebuild the economy and the participation of some contingents does not affect this in any way.
  30. +1
    15 March 2024 11: 10
    After Merkel's departure, Macron claims informal leadership in the EU - he is very good. ambitious person. Now he has “grabbed” the topic of militarization and the potential creation of European unified armed forces and realized that this is the very opportunity for France to bypass Germany in European leadership.
    It is not Macron who creates this topic - he is simply trying to lead a certain process that was formed without him and hung in the air, so to speak, as an abstraction.
    However, the question of whether Emmanuel understands where he wants to get into is an ambiguous question.
    I will assume that for now this is all a combination of bluff and the desire to earn eyeballs and the authority of the “alpha” from the central EU, rather than a real willingness to jump into the pool headlong. There is probably also a desire to send us a message that there are certain limits to our expansion in the neighboring state.

    The real deployment of troops is still far away, although the threat to Odessa may be that red line. But not Kyiv.
  31. +2
    15 March 2024 11: 40
    I understand everything, but the last EU war was recently in Libya. They bombed there like in a shooting range and used special forces. There was no threat to them there (no one participated on Gaddafi’s side). Missiles and smart bombs ran out in a couple of weeks.... And this is despite dominance and convenience in the Sea.
    1. +2
      15 March 2024 11: 58
      but the last EU war was recently in Libya
      Someone above wrote that all this was blackmail during negotiation consultations... And this is probably true
      1. -2
        15 March 2024 12: 02
        Performance and post-performance will not work now. To puzzle the Russian army (and 404) it is necessary to specifically complicate our lives.
  32. +1
    15 March 2024 16: 20
    He'll hope they don't show up, otherwise... no one will win
  33. 0
    15 March 2024 16: 33
    Everyone understands perfectly well that, despite the capture of Avdeevka and some advance of the Russian Armed Forces in the Donetsk and Zaporozhye directions, there is no need to talk about any large-scale offensive by our troops, because the positional impasse has not gone away. In my opinion, Moscow doesn’t really seem to be thinking about any Odessa or Kyiv

    Everything depends on the presence of significant modern armed reserves in the RF Armed Forces. And this is possible at least 300 thousand. If they exist, then something can be done in the sense of a significant advance towards the Dnieper, if not, and Ukraine estimates them at about 150 thousand fighters, then God willing, liberate Donbass and Kherson.
  34. +1
    15 March 2024 17: 16
    Fateful decisions are not made publicly. This is catastrophically dangerous. Two years of “operation” - waiting for a decision from the outside.
  35. 0
    15 March 2024 20: 13
    There is only one conclusion - global war is inevitable, and only the ostrich does not understand this. The US thinks it will sit overseas. Error. This small island north of France will be swept away quickly and quietly. Entirely. France, which is completely unclear how it ended up in the UN Security Council as a winner (although it surrendered so quickly that even the Germans were surprised), never learned the lessons of history. And its current president, it seems, spent all his time at school courting his future wife. The Germans remember, but everyone else is putting pressure on them. NATO will eventually enter the territory of 404 with all that it entails. Everything has the end.
  36. +1
    15 March 2024 20: 27
    Russia has not achieved any strategic goals in Ukraine. The strategic goals are to ensure the security of Russia, but as long as Ukraine has a Black Sea coast, it will pose a danger.
  37. -2
    15 March 2024 21: 23
    What NATO troops are in Ukraine??????? We are simply being taken for a show-off! Things are getting worse for Ukraine every day, we urgently need to force Russia to agree to a truce, to freeze the conflict, so that Ukraine can exist for some more time, so that in the November elections Biden can declare this his victory and not defeat.
    Therefore, they are intimidating us with the introduction of troops, increasing the production of ammunition, nuclear strikes - anything to make us waver and do what they need.
    1. -1
      16 March 2024 14: 35
      What NATO troops are in Ukraine???????

      You also screamed in 2022 about medium-range missiles, repeat yourself
      1. -1
        17 March 2024 08: 01
        Does Ukraine have medium-range missiles?
        1. 0
          17 March 2024 08: 06
          Does Ukraine have medium-range missiles?

          of course, Storm Shadow has a range of 600 km, but Ukraine doesn’t, hurray, hurray ..
          I personally have no doubt that the Poles will sooner or later send their troops to the west of Ukraine

          Personally, I think your statements have no relation to reality
      2. -1
        17 March 2024 08: 03
        I personally have no doubt that the Poles will sooner or later send their troops into western Ukraine. But these will be Polish occupation forces, not NATO peacekeeping troops.
  38. +2
    15 March 2024 23: 59
    And since there will be no Russian troops in Odessa, that means there will be no NATO troops in Ukraine.

    What logic!

    In fact, it's the other way around. If Russia does not liberate Odessa, then sooner or later NATO troops will definitely be stationed there.

    Greetings from Germany
  39. +1
    16 March 2024 00: 03
    Peace negotiations are inappropriate at least until the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions are completely under Russian control. Also, normal conditions for basing the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea can be ensured after establishing full control over the Black Sea coast of Ukraine. Finally, a land corridor to Transnistria is needed.
  40. 0
    16 March 2024 14: 34
    If Donald Trump wins, he will try to make a deal with Russia, essentially agreeing on the division of Ukraine.

    Wet dreams again? If Trump comes, nothing will change globally.
    Well, except for another “we were deceived” from the authorities
  41. 0
    16 March 2024 18: 36
    Issue a law of the Russian Federation in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. The law will ban the appearance of NATO troops in Ukraine. Further, no agreements, war until complete victory. Capitulation of Kyiv.
  42. 0
    18 March 2024 20: 30
    The current “militaristic hype” of Mr. Macron is nothing more than an attempt to divert the attention of the EU (electorate) from internal problems in NATO and France’s attempts to “replace” Germany in the European “table of ranks” after a number of its (France’s) serious , say, strategic setbacks and failures (Africa, India, Kazakhstan, etc., etc.) and the fulfillment of the will of the main screenwriter and director - director of all "unipolar programs" - the USA...
  43. 0
    21 March 2024 08: 43
    NATO troops have been there for a long time in Ukraine. An acquaintance of mine went to Poland alone, and somehow drank with the military who were on a business trip in Ukraine. They send them there on business trips without asking. Who teaches everything according to you? So many of their commanders died. All NATO countries send their military, including to gain experience.
    In 2022, some hacker hacked the American system in Ukraine, so they know where and how many troops we have. Do you think Ukraine, thanks to this information, is not preparing its reserves? Patriot air defense systems, according to any foreign experts are sitting there.
    1. 0
      21 March 2024 08: 48
      Supplying the Ukrainian army, who is involved in this? Rather, they began to carry weapons in doses
      The war is going on with NATO at the hands of Ukrainians.
    2. 0
      21 March 2024 08: 55
      They are advancing to our borders to destroy Russia, their goal is to support all kinds of nationalists
      In the USA, there is no nationality column at all in passports.
      To prevent people from quarreling based on nationality, this column needs to be removed.
      Ukrainian is an invented nationality; the lands of Ukraine were passed back and forth. They have Polish blood there.
      They have Russian blood, former Russian lands, even the name was Kievan RUS
      Their Polish language is distorted, well, for example, you would start speaking American with distortion and add your own words in Russian and invent a nation for yourself.
      1. 0
        21 March 2024 09: 02
        This is not the first war on their territory.
        Read the story.
        Russian-Polish wars, they happen every few centuries
        https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Русско-польские_войны
        They send the entire Russian-speaking population to slaughter. And we shouldn’t lose, Russian-speaking people lived there
        The Communists created Ukraine, but they are destroying monuments to the Communists.
        https://ren.tv/news/v-rossii/1188864-putin-ukraina-iskusstvennoe-gosudarstvo-sozdannoe-po-vole-stalina
        They imagine themselves to be Ukrainians.
        The clown who builds the tent tells them about the nation, that you must fight against your own roots
        1. 0
          21 March 2024 09: 17
          Under Stalin they were called the Republic of Ukraine, they began to consider themselves Ukrainians, they separated, having lived for about 30 years, it is already a country for which everyone must give their heads. Well, isn't it insanity? Crimea was handed over on paper. Novorossiya, under Stalin, was simply united with neighboring regions.
          Until 1917, there was no “Nationality” column in passports submitted to the Russian Empire.
          That's where they came up with the name Ukrainians? Because Stalin called them outskirts?
          After 1917, whoever wanted to call themselves that
        2. 0
          21 March 2024 09: 24
          Ukraine wants to join NATO, but they are not needed there; in general, like the European Union, they need to develop their territories. If they want to get into the EU and open the borders, this will mean that all the smart ones will just up and leave.
          America is shown by homeless people and drug addicts in the cities. Someone said that they live well there. For some reason, here we live without working for anything.
          Is this where Ukraine is heading?

          Here's Vancouver for you
          1. 0
            21 March 2024 09: 30
            Here is another drug addicted city. And now the USA wants to rule the whole world with trillions of dollars in debt
          2. 0
            21 March 2024 09: 31
            Here is a real stream from the streets of the USA

            Or walk around our Moscow, or go to America and suddenly you go to the wrong area. Where living conditions in America are normal, including they have expensive life insurance and medical care
            In our country, no one except the rich aspires to these countries. Now the borders have been closed and production has begun to gradually increase
            Some guy sitting there doesn’t think that no one needs him there in Europe, even in France there are constant protests there
  44. 0
    April 15 2024 08: 49
    Diplomacy - the art of the possible? So the GDP thinks so. At first, how they swung: denazification, demilitarization, debanderization! Almost complete destruction! And in the end? We are already happy about the very fact of possible negotiations. Give me Kyiv, Odessa, Nikolaev, let's go to the Polish border! Yes, they forgot that on the other side there are not Banderaites, but RUSSIAN Banderaites, i.e. reformatted Russians who fight just like Russian Russians—evilly and desperately.
  45. 0
    April 20 2024 08: 02
    Quote: Edik
    the closer we will be to a conflict with a nuclear component

    Well, you know, the option “they’ll just die and we’ll go to heaven” is somehow not inspiring!