Amazons - warriors of Scythia

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Fragment of an early Sarmatian medallion from the Filippovsky mound
Fragment of an early Sarmatian medallion from the Filippovsky mound


We will talk about the Amazons, who, most likely, were the ancestors of the Sarmatians - tribes that spread out in the 5th-4th centuries. across the territories of present-day Ukraine, southern Russia, the Caucasian republics, Kazakhstan and China.



VII century BC e.


You find yourself on land east of Ancient Greece. To your right is the Black Sea, to your left is a mountain range. You drive through shallow marshes along the coast, with only the occasional heron, wild horse or hawk crossing your path. When suddenly you are attacked by a squad of ferocious warriors on horseback.

According to the Greek scientist Herodotus, this is exactly what happened to the tribe of Scythians - horse archers who lived on the shores of the Black Sea around the 7th century. BC e. They one day discovered that their horses had been captured. It was only after the youths entered the battle and killed some of the enemies that they realized that their opponents were women. Women warriors called Amazons who "had nothing but weapons and horses." After all, their whole life is devoted to hunting and raids. The young Scythians quickly decided to change tactics. They did not kill their opponents and stopped all further attacks. Instead, Herodotus claimed, they offered themselves for sex.

The Amazons really liked this idea, and soon the two camps merged into one. Men discovered that the language of women could not be learned, but the Amazons mastered the language of men. As soon as they were able to communicate, the Scythians told the Amazons that they would like to return home now. They answered them:

“We could never live with your women. We have no common customs with them. We shoot arrows, throw darts, ride horses. But what do your women do? None of what we just listed. They always do only women's work! They just hide in their carts. As you can see, it would be completely impossible for us to get along. But, if you really want us to be your wives, and at the same time behave with complete honor, go to your parents and take your share of your property. Then, when we return, we can build our own home together.”

The young people agreed and soon settled in a new place. The descendants of this union were called Sauromatians. Herodotus tells us that

“from that time to this day, Sauromatian women adhered to their primitive way of life: they go hunting, regardless of whether their husbands accompany them or not, they go to war and dress exactly like men.”

What Herodotus tells us is quite surprising. As we know, at a time when women of Ancient Greece were not even allowed to leave the house on their own, Sauromatian women were equal to men in horse riding, hunting, and fighting from dusk to dawn. Who were these people, and is there any truth to Herodotus' story?

Gold ring depicting a deer hunt, 450-400 AD. BC. Museum of Fine Arts in Boston
Gold ring depicting a deer hunt, 450-400 AD. BC e. Museum of Fine Arts in Boston

The Sauromatians were part of the Scythians, a Greek term for a variety of culturally similar but distinct nomadic and semi-nomadic communities who lived, rode and fought for centuries in close proximity to ancient Greek settlements in the eastern Aegean. They lived in an area stretching from the Himalayas and Altai Mountains to the Black Sea in what is now Georgia and Turkey. Plato and Herodotus spoke about them, the latter assures us that among some tribes women began to have no less power than men.

More recently, historian Adrienne Mayor has rediscovered these independent warrior women. She traced archaeological and literary traces of the mythical Amazons and identified them as historical doubles of female horse archers of Scythia and Sauromatia, describing their findings in the book “Amazons: Lives and Legends of Women Warriors of the Ancient World.” Fierce, independent female warriors have long been considered merely a figment of the imagination of the ancient Greeks. The evidence Major pieced together tells a different story: these women were real.

The author's findings indicate that women in Scythian societies led a much freer lifestyle than their Greek contemporaries. Girls could grow up to become anything they wanted: a hunter, an artist, a bard, a gardener, a mighty warrior, a heroine, a traveler. At least this is evidenced by the names of these women. The major has compiled an extensive list of female Amazon names, most of which are inscribed on Greek vases. For example: Alkaya – powerful; Heuke – heroine; Euryale - long journeys; Hasa is the one who heads the council.

The hopes that parents in these societies had for their daughters are clear: they wanted them to travel widely, to be political leaders, to be masters of their own destinies. Passivity, modesty, beauty? I think none of these traits were important or valued in women on the Scythian steppes. They left us no written evidence. But their belongings and what we know about them from other cultures with written sources allows us to get an idea of ​​what the life of a female warrior in Scythia might have looked like.

According to Adrienne Mayor, Sauromatian women and men actually formed pairs of two. But they mostly followed an open relationship.

“A sign that sex was going on was a quiver hanging near the woman’s cart. The signal that the woman had a guest was his spear stuck in the ground near her home.”

Amazons enjoyed sexual freedom that would have been unthinkable for Greek women.

VI century BC e.


Fast forward to 600 BC. e., the place of action is Scythia. Imagine again that you find yourself in the east of Ancient Greece, just like 100 years ago. I understand that the vast majority of readers here are men. But still, the article is about ancient women, and it will be more clear if you imagine yourself as a woman who has not slept since dawn, hunting game on horseback for herself, her family and friends. Your name is Heuke, your father and mother were sure that you would become one of the heroines of the tribe.

After several hours of riding, you would probably feel a slight irritation between your legs. Your ancestors already invented lined trousers, so the sensations are tolerable. As the writer Major tells us, the ancient Greeks attributed the invention of trousers to barbarian women in the east. It seems true, because they spent most of their lives on horseback. Many Amazons depicted in Greek art wear patterned trousers, tunics, and tall caps.

You are already riding on a bay horse, wearing warm trousers and a long-sleeved woolen tunic decorated with bright green and red zigzag patterns. You are also wearing a tall hat to protect you from the rain. Your clothes cover the tattoos on your arms and legs of all the wild animals you have hunted and or still want to hunt. For example, deer, wild boars and mythical griffins guarding the golden mountains somewhere in the east.

A deer on your right shoulder, a row of dots on your left wrist - you like tattoos. You may have heard about the Greeks living in the west who only tattoo slaves and criminals. What a waste of art! Also, Greeks don't wear trousers at all, or so you've been told. What a completely impractical lifestyle. It’s inconvenient to move quickly, hunt, or fight in a tunic!

Since you've been hunting for several hours and have several birds hanging off your horse, you call out to your companions when you notice a group of tall trees, possibly pine trees. Along with the other huntresses, including your friends and family, your partner, you ride up to the trees and dismount to get some rest. Having removed the magnificent leather and gold quiver, you could sit with your back to the pine trunk, rest your numb legs, looking at yourself in the mirror that you always carry with you. Women and men took care of their beauty - how the braid hangs, how the beard is well-groomed. They were all then buried along with their mirrors.

Scythians with horses under a tree. Part of the belt. Siberia, IV-III centuries. BC. Hermitage
Scythians with horses under a tree. Part of the belt. Siberia, IV-III centuries. BC e. Hermitage

After the break you return to the hunt. If that's not your thing, you might as well spend the day picking berries and nuts. Or grow vegetables and fruits in small fields together with other women, each of whom has her own field. But the harvest is common.

You return to the settlement. A fire burns in the center and the air is filled with the aroma of roasted poultry seasoned with sage. Hunters and farmers collect the food they find. During dinner, which may consist of meat, fresh berries, goat cheese, honey and nuts, you drink fermented mare's milk. As you continue to drink milk with your friends, you become more and more drunk. Mare's milk may have been used by the Scythians in the same way as diluted wine was used in ancient Greece.

The stars are shining above you. Owls may hoot nearby while the bard takes out his lyre-like instrument and begins to recite the old myth of heroes who cheated death in the guise of a giant. Your daughters sit around the fire, enchanted by the bard, the song and the story. Tomorrow you will go hunting or to the fields again. You will tan leather or make bows and arrows, invent stories, process gold and precious stones, bargain with merchants from Babylon or Egypt.
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  1. +8
    29 February 2024 05: 08
    Amazons enjoyed sexual freedom that would have been unthinkable for Greek women.

    Ugh, twice!
    I don’t think it’s worth endowing the Greeks with Christian values. The local customs of the policies of Hellas, especially during religious holidays, I think many Amazons simply blushed.
    However, the Author, quoting Herodotus, kept silent about the modest custom of the Amazons to burn out one breast. The reason is pragmatic - it interferes with archery.
    Have a nice day everyone, Kote!
    1. +6
      29 February 2024 05: 41
      Well, the Greeks were (and there are rumors that they still are) perverts. They believed that women were needed only for procreation, and real love could only be between men, and pederasty (modders, don’t be picky, this is a medical term, not swearing, and not propaganda of non-traditional “values”) was the norm for them .
    2. +10
      29 February 2024 06: 04
      hi Vladislav, haven’t you noticed that the style of this author’s articles is quite different and the topics are varied? When he wrote about the use of fire ships and the Turkish galley fleet, he didn’t write about the smell of the sea, the creaking of masts and the salty sea wind? To him I would like to read the articles of the late Sergei Remirovich Tokhtasyev, who died in 2018, and other researchers on this issue.
      We will talk about the Amazons, who most likely were the ancestors of the Sarmatians
      This is absolutely best. Ugh, a crowd of aunts abandoned their men and rushed to roam the steppes, looking for other men so that they could merge with them in love ecstasy and form a new tribe.
      1. +13
        29 February 2024 06: 49
        look for other men
        Those who don’t drink, love their mother-in-law and bring their entire salary home laughing . You shouldn’t look for people like this in the steppe, but in the madness Yes .
      2. +10
        29 February 2024 12: 51
        If you follow the “history” and the article, the aunts were very pragmatic.
        For example, the
        But, if you really want us to be your wives, and at the same time behave with complete honor, go to your parents and take your share of your property.

        Otherwise, I personally am inclined to think that the Amazons should be understood as a myth about contacts between patriarchal and matriarchal clan societies. However, so is the history of the appearance of the “Savrmatians” and others like them. There is a grain of truth in the works of Herodotus, but how reliable it is is an open question. It’s like their description of snow – “white flies.” Somewhere nearby, but far from close.
        Regarding the quality of the Author’s work, dear Alexey, I completely agree with you. You must have feelings about the subject of the article, either love it or hate it. Then it will be great, in other cases there will be Vyacheslav Olegovich, who simply makes money from them. Therefore, for him they are sometimes valuable not as a subject of research, but as a product of creativity. However, sometimes he is ready to follow him through thick and thin. This also brings understanding. In other cases it’s sad, like today!!!
        1. +6
          29 February 2024 15: 11
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          myth about contacts between patriarchal and matriarchal clan societies

          The problem is that from the point of view of modern science, matriarchy is just a myth. Moreover, he was born in the 19th century.
          hi
          1. +4
            29 February 2024 17: 25
            Quote: Senior Sailor
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            myth about contacts between patriarchal and matriarchal clan societies

            The problem is that from the point of view of modern science, matriarchy is just a myth. Moreover, he was born in the 19th century.
            hi

            I agree only with part of this statement. Perhaps matriarchy was not of a massive nature during the formation of tribal society, as was assumed earlier, but history has preserved a number of facts of the high emancipation of women in power.
            For example, the first king of Persia, Cyrus, was defeated by the troops of the Massaget queen Tomiris.
            1. +3
              29 February 2024 18: 19
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              For example, the first king of Persia, Cyrus, was defeated by the troops of the Massaget queen Tomiris.

              And we were ruled by women for a good three-quarters of the eighteenth century, so what?
              The situation with Tomiris just happened that way. My husband and son died, I had to take up arms myself...
            2. +1
              29 February 2024 18: 55
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              History has preserved a number of facts of the high emancipation of women in power.
              Excuse me, what does power have to do with it, if matriarchy is the transmission of kinship through the mother, but not the power of women over the men of the tribe. Leader, priest - men. Arche - origin
              1. +1
                29 February 2024 19: 08
                PS Bachofen proposed the term “gynecocracy” to designate the universal stage he assumed in the history of society, but this hypothesis was not confirmed.
        2. +5
          29 February 2024 17: 53
          Vladislav, Serg65, has already exposed “black and white magic” and made a link. Plagiarism, pure water. Before writing something, actually writing, it is necessary to at least familiarize yourself with the topic. My suspicions arose after his first article, then my suspicions intensified , especially after reading the article about the dog. I didn’t even leave a comment. And after this article everything fell into place. True, I was in a hurry, the comment turned out to be somewhat chaotic. For 9 years on the site, thank God, I distinguish a forget-me-not from a certain substance. Moreover, the coolest thing is that some authors are “scorched” by leaving comments on other people’s similar articles. For ethical reasons, I won’t name them by nicknames. But someone doesn’t write. This is a fairly well-known VO author in wide circles , he has written about him more than once, his journalism is sharply different from articles on historical topics. So far, he has copied several books by famous authors from the 19th-20th centuries. And this one simply takes articles from the World Wide Web.
    3. +6
      29 February 2024 07: 30
      Isn't it a legend about burning?
      1. +9
        29 February 2024 12: 54
        Quote from Korsar4
        Isn't it a legend about burning?

        Of course, a legend, just like the Amazons, satyrs, centaurs and so on.
    4. +11
      29 February 2024 08: 55
      It is a myth! Scientists have long proven that the common myth about breast removal by the Amazons is just an invention of ancient authors. And later, the Amazons, who were guards of the eastern despots, did not sin in this way.
      1. +4
        29 February 2024 09: 39
        Agree. Just a dress code. The daughters of Eve are great masters at this.
      2. +4
        29 February 2024 09: 42
        “This is a myth! Scientists have long proven that the common myth about breast removal by the Amazons is just an invention of ancient authors.”

        The very existence of the Amazons in the form in which they are perceived is a big question.
      3. +4
        29 February 2024 09: 51
        100%myth. Of course, with size J, it will be somewhat difficult, but firstly, there are few of them, and secondly, if need forces you, you can adjust..
        For example, a friend of mine tried to do intravenous injections with her left hand. She was “right-handed,” but there was an accident and in a few months she learned to do everything with her left hand. (Instead of a right hand, she has a prosthesis).
        Outwardly, it is not noticeable, but we “don’t know”
      4. +3
        29 February 2024 12: 55
        Quote: Alexander Kuksin
        It is a myth! Scientists have long proven that the common myth about breast removal by the Amazons is just an invention of ancient authors. And later, the Amazons, who were guards of the eastern despots, did not sin in this way.

        The common thing that united these “Amazons” was that they were women.
        1. 0
          1 March 2024 08: 12
          In general, female warriors are not uncommon. In Rus' - Polyanytsi... There is a legend that the daughter of Ilya Muromets was a warrior... And Vasilisa Mikulishna. The Scandinavian tale of the Nibelungs is about the warrior Brunhild, who could only be defeated by deception. And in other epics of different nations.
          And speaking of Eve... :)))) I think that these are the daughters of Adam’s first woman - Lilith, and not Eve’s whore.
          1. +1
            2 March 2024 10: 25
            Quote: Alexander Kuksin
            female warriors are not uncommon. In Rus' - Polyanytsi
            "Polyanytsi" are Ukrainian bakery products. And women warriors in Rus' are Polenians.
      5. +3
        29 February 2024 15: 12
        Quote: Alexander Kuksin
        Amazons who guard the eastern despots

        Costume harem?
        1. 0
          1 March 2024 07: 54
          No! Raised from childhood like the Mamelukes of the Turks. There are materials and photos on the internet.
    5. +8
      29 February 2024 09: 00
      The author, quoting Herodotus, kept silent about the modest custom of the Amazons to burn out one breast. The reason is pragmatic - it interferes with archery
      .But in works of ancient painting, Amazons are always depicted with both breasts. And the bow was pulled not at chest level, but at ear level.
      1. +8
        29 February 2024 11: 59
        That's it. The bowstring is pulled at eye level. There can be no other way to talk about accuracy. Like being hit in the stomach by a gun. I am surprised by the repetition of this heresy.
        1. +5
          29 February 2024 14: 50
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          The bowstring is pulled at eye level. There can be no other way to talk about accuracy. Like being hit in the stomach by a gun. I am surprised by the repetition of this heresy.

          Modern archery athletes often wear a special bib.
          1. +3
            29 February 2024 15: 28
            I don’t understand why there’s a bib. And the shield on the forearm from being struck by a bowstring was read and worn.
            1. +2
              29 February 2024 16: 25
              Quote: Andrey Moskvin
              I don’t understand why there’s a bib.

              Apparently, it’s not very pleasant when a bowstring hits your chest.
              1. 0
                1 March 2024 15: 13
                Apparently, it’s not very pleasant when a bowstring hits your chest.
                Does she scream? Look at the photo to see which side of the chest the bowstring is on before the shot and which side of the chest it moves when shooting. Light pressure when pulling, no more. It's just that women's breasts are very sensitive. Especially if you shoot in just a T-shirt rather than rougher/heavier clothing. Well, a bowstring oiled with finger grease can stain a light T-shirt.
                If you wear a conventional combat sweatshirt/robe, then you won’t need a special bandage.
                1. 0
                  1 March 2024 15: 54
                  Quote: abrakadabre
                  Does she scream? Look at the photo to see which side of the chest the bowstring is on before the shot and which side of the chest it moves when shooting.

                  Perhaps the guy in the photo was wearing a bib just for beauty.
                  1. 0
                    1 March 2024 16: 05
                    Perhaps the guy in the photo was wearing a bib just for beauty.
                    The presence of fashion accessories does not mean they are absolutely necessary. The manufacturer needs to earn extra money somehow. Look, now they sell bicycles without fenders and a glove compartment (with a set of keys). All of the above are sold separately and for a hefty price. Although in my childhood all this was included in the standard package. As for the need to protect the left chest when archery, it is better to address this topic to those who are engaged in this shooting. Especially when it comes to shooting from a horse. Here is an example from the Hungarians:
                    There are similar videos about traditional archery from a horse, from a standstill or at a gallop, on the network a cart and a cart. Performed by women as well.
                    1. 0
                      1 March 2024 16: 12
                      Here's another example: a Buryat woman shoots a traditional bow at full (maximum) gallop:
                      Look at your body position when shooting. And the position of the bowstring at the moment of the shot. Does the chest interfere with the shot? And then think about whether there is a need for not just amputation of the left breast, but even an additional protective bandage. Regular traditional thick outerwear is sufficient. Including protection for the forearm and hand.
                    2. 0
                      1 March 2024 16: 12
                      Quote: abrakadabre
                      There are similar videos about traditional archery from a horse, from a standstill or at a gallop, on the network a cart and a cart. Performed by women as well.

                      For example. Japanese archer with a Japanese bow.
                      1. 0
                        1 March 2024 16: 27
                        For example. Japanese archer with a Japanese bow.
                        Shooting from a yumi is different in that, due to the size of the bow, for a long shot you need to pull the string back much further. Accordingly, the arrows used are of much greater length. In addition, the smell of the kimono from left to right actually interferes with an accurate shot, as it allows the bowstring to catch slightly. However, if the presented lady wears a light kimono and a combat outfit, then she will not need an additional overlay.
                        Japanese men also wear additional padding on their kimono, if necessary. Although the question of whether or not the left breast interferes with shooting and whether it should be burned out does not seem to be worth it.
                      2. +1
                        1 March 2024 16: 29
                        Quote: abrakadabre
                        Japanese men also wear additional padding on their kimono, if necessary.

                        It's not clear why. After all, experts have proven that these pads are not needed.
    6. +6
      29 February 2024 15: 04
      Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
      However, the Author, quoting Herodotus, kept silent about the modest custom of the Amazons to burn out one breast

      This is another myth; breasts, no matter what size they are, do not interfere with archery at all. The shooter pulls the bowstring toward the chin, not toward the chest. It’s only in films that Germans with MP-40s shoot from the navel lol
      1. +2
        29 February 2024 19: 11
        I have girls I know who practice archery. Special gloves, shields and rings are the norm. A leather or Kevlar bib is due to the structural features of the girls. Some people need it with age, some don't.
        I don’t argue about burning - it’s definitely a myth, but the author is not logical in his work. Having thrown in… the most controversial fairy tales, I forgot.
      2. 0
        1 March 2024 15: 22
        The shooter pulls the bowstring toward the chin, not toward the chest.
        Moreover, the shooting position, when pressure on the chest and when pulling the bowstring is possible, is not the only one. I would say that it is more typical for a foot archer in fairly static conditions. Or at maximum distance. For a rider, it is more likely that the bowstring will be pressed to the chest when shooting to the left or back to the left.
    7. 0
      1 March 2024 15: 04
      However, the Author, quoting Herodotus, kept silent about the modest custom of the Amazons to burn out one breast. The reason is pragmatic - it interferes with archery.
      Such tales are forgivable in the era of Herodotus. But not in our time. For some reason, breasts don’t stop modern archers from shooting. Unless the Amazons had breasts of size 30-40. Then yes... But for now you'll burn it out...
      By the way, why burning? However, the most effective way is to burn wet meat. Amputation is much faster, more reliable and less painful. Herodotus would have also invented breast eating by ants or rats.
  2. -6
    29 February 2024 05: 33
    We will talk about the Amazons, who, most likely, were the ancestors of the Sarmatians - tribes that spread out in the 5th-4th centuries. across the territories of present-day Ukraine, southern Russia, the Caucasian republics, Kazakhstan and China.
    There is such a variant of the term “Amazons” as “amazhenki”, that is, women who lost their husbands as a result of some emergency, for example, death on the battlefield. The term “amuzhenki” recently existed in the south of Rus' in Cossack families, so I think that this term can safely be attributed to self-designations, in contrast to, for example, the terms “Scythians” and “Scythia”, which is of purely Greek origin and has never been classified as a self-designation, that is a term invented and put into circulation much later than the existence of these peoples.
    1. +6
      29 February 2024 08: 04
      The term "muzhenki", that is, women who have lost their husbands as a result of some emergency, such as death on the battlefield. until recently existed in the south of Rus' in Cossack families

      I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is (c) smile
      The term "оhubbies" and not the ones you made up"а“hubbies” is still in use in our area. But it doesn’t mean widows - avengers, as you write here, but ordinary women whose appearance or character is more masculine Yes
      1. -5
        29 February 2024 08: 25
        Quote: Richard
        The term “muzhenki,” and not the “amuzhenki” you made up, is still in use in our area. Yes, but it doesn’t mean widows - avengers, as you write here, but ordinary women whose appearance or character is more masculine
        This is only your opinion, there are others on which I rely. The term is ancient and over time could well have changed both its meaning and pronunciation. And here you are giving a modern interpretation, and even when replacing the letter “A” with the letter “O” the meaning of the word completely changes. Here I described the more ancient meaning of the word not from my own head, but from the opinion of a researcher on this issue. So you just confused words with different meanings here, there are no universal specialists for all occasions, the poet just took the version of the origin of the word “Amazon” known to me, it’s up to you to trust this option or not, but it looks like we’re talking about completely different things here words.
        “I heard a ringing, but I don’t know where it is” - I think that we need to more closely determine the source of the ringing...
        1. +7
          29 February 2024 08: 41
          “Amuzhenki” are women who lost their husbands as a result of some emergency, such as death on the battlefield. until recently existed in the south of Rus' in Cossack families

          Where am I writing to you from? Not from Siberia or Kaliningrad, but from my native village and I know perfectly well what they call us Yes There is no need to invent gags and attribute non-existent terms to us. And women who lost their husbands in our villages, as elsewhere throughout Russia, were always called widows
          This is only your opinion, there are others on which I rely.

          By the way, Zen is not the best fulcrum laughing
          1. -4
            29 February 2024 08: 50
            Quote: Richard
            By the way, Zen is not the best fulcrum
            I doubt that I got this information from Zen, it’s boring there now, it’s very tight, there are no fresh thoughts to be seen. There are plenty of other sources; linguists make amazing conclusions, but finding them is not so easy, although it is possible if desired.
      2. +1
        1 March 2024 15: 24
        Yes, but it doesn’t mean widows - avengers, as you write here, but ordinary women whose appearance or character is more masculine
        Variants of this concept: dorks, masculine, peasant.
        1. -3
          1 March 2024 16: 39
          Quote: abrakadabre
          Variants of this concept: dorks, masculine, peasant.
          This is true for the concept "оhubbies" and if we use the more ancient term "а"hubby" then the meaning is completely different, namely without a husband, without a man. There are a great many possible examples in words of using the initial letter "A" with the meaning of negation. With the same root words, the use of initial sounds/letters "O" and “A” radically changes the meaning of words up to the opposite.
  3. +2
    29 February 2024 07: 48
    Colleagues, I urgently wanted to read fiction on this topic
    1. +6
      29 February 2024 08: 10
      “The New Amazons” is not suitable as a movie?
      1. +2
        29 February 2024 15: 36
        Polish cinema? I watched it once
        1. +1
          29 February 2024 19: 13
          Absolutely right. The teenagers really liked it.
    2. +4
      29 February 2024 08: 54
      read fiction on this topic
      "Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece", about the adventures of Hercules and Jason, but not for children, adapted.
      1. +2
        29 February 2024 08: 56
        For some reason I liked it less.

        Thaddeus Zelinsky has an interesting book.

        And Robert Graves is a very entertaining series.
  4. +1
    29 February 2024 07: 59
    I won’t lie, I would gladly read a similar topic from Valery or Shpakovsky. They serve brighter
    1. +2
      1 March 2024 15: 27
      I won’t lie, I would gladly read a similar topic from Valery or Shpakovsky. They serve brighter
      Well, yes, brighter. But the blizzard is no less challenging.
  5. +6
    29 February 2024 09: 16
    As it were, archaeological excavations confirm the existence of female warriors, and their active role in military campaigns and the social life of Sarmatian society. When studying Sarmatian burials, it was established that the number of armed women among the Sarmatians was about 25% of the total number of those buried with weapons. As for the Sarmatians, this is the general name for the nomadic pastoral Iranian-speaking tribes: Alans, Roxolans, Sauromatians, Yazygs, etc., who settled in III century BC e. - IV century AD e. in the steppes from Tobol in the east to the Danube in the west. The Sarmatians did not live in cities and did not even have a permanent place of residence. They were truly nomadic people. A feature of the Sarmatian tribes was the high position of women, their active participation in public life and military operations. The Sarmatians were called a woman-ruled people. Women could lead tribes and perform priestly functions. Scientists believe that the Sarmatian clan was maternal, and the account of kinship at the stage of decomposition of the clan system was carried out through the female line. Subsequently, when new Sarmatian unions arose, the signs of “matriarchy” disappeared. Sarmatian society became "patriarchal".
    1. +4
      29 February 2024 09: 46
      “Subsequently, when new Sarmatian unions arose, the signs of “matriarchy” disappeared. Sarmatian society became “patriarchal”.”

      As far as I remember history, many tribes went through this path from matriarchy to patriarchy, only they went through it earlier.
      1. +2
        29 February 2024 09: 49
        For some, for some earlier, for the Sarmatian tribes later, and even for them it did not happen at the same time, this is such a thing, not five-year plans and not government programs
  6. +7
    29 February 2024 09: 40
    Amazons - warriors of Scythia

    Ren-TV is filled with fairy tales...
  7. +4
    29 February 2024 09: 48
    Funny article, thanks to the Author, I relaxed a little.

    How much is historical here is a question.

    By the way, sexual freedom or, let’s say on the contrary, restrictions on this appeared mainly with Christianity. Under paganism, this matter was looked at more simply, much more simply, and everywhere.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 13: 12
      Quote: S.Z.
      Funny article, thanks to the Author, I relaxed a little.

      How much is historical here is a question.

      By the way, sexual freedom or, let’s say on the contrary, restrictions on this appeared mainly with Christianity. Under paganism, this matter was looked at more simply, much more simply, and everywhere.

      I don’t remember exactly where “mysteries” came from, but “vachanalia” and “symposiums” are definitely Roman-Greek entertainments!!!
      By the way, before the advent of monotheistic religions with the support of the “state apparatus,” priests had to compete for the flock. So, um... the matriarchal customs of the Sarmatians and the patriarchal Scythians are the flowers and berries of the civilized policies of Hellas.
      1. +1
        29 February 2024 16: 12
        Well, let’s remember Pan... In general, the youth of civilization, and where there is youth, there it is...
  8. +3
    29 February 2024 10: 03
    According to anthropologists, the Scythians and Sarmatians are the most beaten, killed, the highest aggressiveness of known societies, why? - their landscape was a “fat” steppe, a relatively dense population, a developed nomadic economy, one might say the pinnacle of nomadic technology, they squeezed out everything the land was capable of with this method of farming, and there were no opportunities to expand beyond the boundaries of their steppe, so raids, hiring the army, which demographic pressure did not significantly reduce, so they were constantly slaughtered, reduced, men first of all, but the number of men could not be radically reduced, women had to be slaughtered too.
  9. +11
    29 February 2024 10: 40
    More recently, historian Adrienne Mayor has rediscovered these independent warrior women.
    ...
    The author's findings indicate that women in Scythian societies led a much freer lifestyle than their Greek contemporaries.

    The famous monk Mavro Orbini reached similar conclusions back in the 400th century. True, confirmation of the correctness of his conclusions had to wait more than 2019 years, until archaeologists in the vastness of Britain to China began to discover burial mounds of the Scythians and Sarmatians, in which about a third of all Scythian women were buried with weapons and had battle wounds, like men. One of the latest such discoveries occurred during the excavation of the Devitsa V burial ground in the Voronezh region, carried out by the Don archaeological expedition of the Institute of Archaeology of the Russian Academy of Sciences. During the 9 field season, a Scythian burial was discovered in mound No. XNUMX in a wooden frame-and-pillar tomb with a dromos from approximately the XNUMXth century BC. Four women were buried in it - two women in the prime of life, one a teenager and one quite elderly for her time. Although the burial was largely looted, the remaining artifacts (numerous items of weapons, military and horse equipment) suggest that this was the burial of female warriors.
    To date, in the Middle Don, the expedition has discovered about 11 burials of young armed women.
    1. +8
      29 February 2024 11: 39
      Our Voronezh girls are still fire :)
  10. +10
    29 February 2024 11: 17
    29.02.2024 author Zotov Sergey
    https://knife.media/scythias-warrior-women/
    12.03.2023/XNUMX/XNUMX Alexey Stepanov.
    what As they say, find the difference? Complete trash! wassat
    1. +6
      29 February 2024 12: 15
      Apparently, the author’s previous articles are from the same test, but as he writes: when studying sources, I take information from English-language... Spanish-language sources... smile
      1. +6
        29 February 2024 14: 15
        Apparently the author’s previous articles are from the same test

        “Apparently” is redundant here. Zotovshchina does not involve any creativity, pure plagiarism, shamefully called rewriting today. And given the extremely limited level of knowledge of the author and extremely mediocre literary abilities, the copy will always be even worse than the source of copying, often already damaged by the previous “writer”.
        Concerning English..Spanish sources, then this is completely primitive plagiarism, only with the help of automatic translation. Such articles are easily distinguishable by their very clumsy text.
        In those days, the magazine “Murzilka” would not have published the author.
        1. +4
          29 February 2024 15: 18
          When he wrote about foreign sources, I almost didn’t believe him, but you never know, although I was tormented by a worm of doubt. smile
          1. +4
            29 February 2024 15: 32
            Under his debut articles, Zotov still tried to “pretend to be” a “real author,” but quickly left the race, since outright plagiarism is difficult to justify. If this had been four years ago, one could say that the author would quickly disappear from the pages of the site. Today, most likely, it’s the other way around - worthless, cheap “writers” rule the roost on the site.
            1. +1
              29 February 2024 15: 46
              the site is ruled by worthless, cheap "writers"
              I can't disagree hi
    2. 0
      29 February 2024 17: 59
      https://knife.media/scythias-warrior-women/
      So we found it smile I guessed that this was exactly the case and this was not the first article by the author of this kind. However, my comment came out chaotic. hi
  11. +2
    29 February 2024 13: 07
    Eh, you have to manage to spoil an interesting topic. And also an attempt “into a literary image”
    Unfortunately, having collected rich archaeological material, our historians did not publish a popular book about women warriors, for example, of the Black Sea region.
    Therefore, the average reader is fed this.
  12. +6
    29 February 2024 14: 51
    One (Mayer) wrote a opportunistic book in the wake of feminism, free love and other things about the Amazons with a maximum of colorful strawberry gags and a minimum of serious content. Another repeated this.

    Perhaps the Scythians had greater freedom for women. The Greeks who saw this, in the process of transmitting information from mouth to mouth, exaggerated and distorted the true state of affairs. They were transformed into fierce Amazons. And here we are, after reading, removing the noodles from our ears.
    1. +2
      29 February 2024 15: 54
      One (Mayer) wrote a opportunistic book in the wake of feminism, free love and other things about the Amazons with a maximum of colorful strawberry gags and a minimum of serious content. Another repeated it

      Firstly - not one, but one - Adriena Mayor. Secondly, her book does not contain any feminism or other nonsense that you attribute to it. The book contains an analysis of literary and archaeological sources.
      But the author of the article has never seen this book. He copied the article from another, equally ignorant person. And obviously someone else has it. The result is what we have - a classic example of yellow press content.
      1. +1
        29 February 2024 18: 02
        the author of the article of this book has not seen
        Yesss! Exactly! I copied something from books, copied it somewhere.
  13. +1
    29 February 2024 21: 31
    Quote: Dekabrist
    Apparently the author’s previous articles are from the same test

    “Apparently” is redundant here. Zotovshchina does not involve any creativity, pure plagiarism, shamefully called rewriting today. And given the extremely limited level of knowledge of the author and extremely mediocre literary abilities, the copy will always be even worse than the source of copying, often already damaged by the previous “writer”.
    Concerning English..Spanish sources, then this is completely primitive plagiarism, only with the help of automatic translation. Such articles are easily distinguishable by their very clumsy text.
    In those days, the magazine “Murzilka” would not have published the author.


    It’s easy to read, there are a lot of questions, or rather disagreements. The comments are more reliable than the author's article.
    Thanks to the editors and the author for provoking discussion with this publication!
    I won’t thank you for the text itself.
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  15. 0
    1 March 2024 14: 08
    Quote: Nagan
    Well, the Greeks were (and there are rumors that they still are) perverts. They believed that women were needed only for procreation, and real love could only be between men, and pederasty (modders, don’t be picky, this is a medical term, not swearing, and not propaganda of non-traditional “values”) was the norm for them .


    And why then, one might ask, did the Greeks need prostitutes?
    And why did the drunken Themistocles ride around Athens in a chariot drawn by naked women?
    1. 0
      1 March 2024 15: 38
      And why then, one might ask, did the Greeks need prostitutes?
      And why did the drunken Themistocles ride around Athens in a chariot drawn by naked women?
      There are a few things to consider:
      1. From policy to policy there were variations in customs and preferences.
      2. In general, all these perversions have reached us in relation to the upper strata of society, who had the opportunity and actively took advantage of their position. Saturation with everything, from clothes and food to sex - this is exactly what they are talking about. The institution of slavery also contributed to excesses. I doubt that exactly the same was the case with ordinary citizens of Greek city-states. But vanishingly little was written about them at that time. Of which even less has reached us.
  16. -1
    2 March 2024 09: 23
    Quote: abrakadabre

    2. In general, all these perversions have reached us in relation to the upper strata of society, who had the opportunity and actively took advantage of their position.


    I would even say that modern authors bring them to us, consciously focusing on the fashionable agenda.
    A la “all great people were _ours_”.

    I will quote from one Western academic study, where they were not afraid to write:
    Current interpretative trends have all too obvious connections with certain polemical constructs from current discussions of modern politics, economics and sociology, reflecting and seeking to confirm them, and once again reminding us that our vision of ancient times is in no small part an artifact of the 20th century, adjusted to, and understood within the framework of social demands, preferences and functioning of modern socio-historical interpretation. All historical reconstructions serve in the present to construct and define our world as the product of one or another desired (or undesired) heritage (...) Images, texts, signs and symbols associated with Ancient Greece have recently been used for modern purposes gay, feminist and lesbian symbology, ideology and historiography. For some in the late 20th century, Hellenistic Greece came to epitomize a phallocratic, male, homocentric society.
  17. 0
    4 May 2024 23: 48
    Amazons enjoyed sexual freedom that would have been unthinkable for Greek women.


    Perhaps lesbians have existed at all times and could well form communities of living together. If we proceed from this assumption, then the Amazons could well be the ancestors of lesbians, in the spiritual and traditional sense of these words. In fact, women who do not want to run a household become lesbians. This is probably why the statement sounds: “Women warriors, called Amazons, and who “had nothing but weapons and horses.”.” In prehistoric times, it was difficult, or rather impossible, for such a woman to find a partner (husband) and they either remained “old maids” or became Amazons, if the traditions of society allowed this. Judging by archaeological data, this version is confirmed. It is unlikely that they were in demand among men, just as today, few people are interested in lesbians. Who wants to constantly find out who is in charge in the family, who earns more and who should wash the dishes and cook food, at a minimum. It would be interesting to know where these traditions came from, or whether they were developed locally.