Sea drones... And a fleet driven into bases

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Sea drones... And a fleet driven into bases

Greetings, we will talk about an unpleasant but necessary solution to the problem now and in the future. Everything that has been happening since February 2022 has had a very painful impact on our army and navy. The Northern Military District conducted by Russia has resulted in an indirect military confrontation with the West and directly with the NATO bloc and its sympathizing puppets, the battlefield of which has become Ukraine, and it and its citizens are consumables on this battlefield. About the SVO itself it has been written, is being written, and much more will be written by all and sundry, now we will not talk about it as a whole. And about a new misfortune and problem for the Russian Army and Navy - maritime drones, surface and underwater.

The essence of these extremely dangerous remotely controlled and autonomous watercraft is to launch from a coastal base or an underwater, surface and even air carrier, enter a given target area and covertly enter it with direct physical contact, in order to self-detonate using a large amount of explosives, inflict the maximum damage to the target - be it a surface or underwater ship, coastal and underwater infrastructure, and so on.

If before the start of the SVO few ordinary people knew about such developments, then after that everyone knew. Unfortunately, these sea drones (they are also called unmanned boats - BEC) have shown themselves to be very effective in the World Cup basin, directly operating in its northwestern part right off the coast of the Crimean peninsula. I will not write about the losses and damage received from their actions by the KChF, they have not been officially confirmed. But I think everyone agrees that the damage and danger are high, and something needs to be done about it.

A little bit of what is known - where do these sea drones off the Russian coast and on board Russian ships come from?

You can read everything about this in detail on VO, including article Evgenia Fedorova “Fleet of sea drones: what are Ukrainian Drones "Mikola-3". Everything is detailed and intelligible there.



Let's move on to the main topic of the article - how to deal with them? How to protect warships from BEC kamikazes? Moreover, the enemy’s plans include receiving BECs with weapons installed on them, and not just explosives.

Let me make a reservation right away: I am in no way an engineer or a designer. He served as a radiometrist, foreman of the 2nd article of the warhead-4 on the border patrol ship of project 10410 with a base in Nevelsk, about. Sakhalin. Therefore, I do not pretend to have an instructive tone, I will just express my humble vision of the solution to the problem and am ready for any criticism.

So, in simple terms, any BEC has several control and guidance options. The first is according to a predetermined program, where the route, speed, etc. are designed. The second is remote GPS satellite control, from another ship or coastal station, from a UAV or other aircraft. Or combined control - according to the program and remotely by an online operator.

And, of course, to detect, identify and aim directly at the target, it has these same tools on board - positioning, navigation devices, optical-digital devices, cameras, thermal imagers, etc. Most likely, automatic acquisition and guidance systems detected target.

BECs can act either alone or in a group. The most effective time of day to use them is at night. Their small size, small silhouette above the water, low radiation in the thermal and radar range are the main problem for any fleet. The most effective way to detect them is from the air. The wake is visible from helicopters and UAVs, as well as a more contrasting mark against the background of cold water in the infrared spectrum.

The solution is obvious - to create a whole network of UAVs in the most dangerous sea directions, monitoring the surface of the sea in search of enemy UAVs. Which, in rotating waves, will monitor sectors and suspicious activity 24 hours a day. They can be based on the coast or on mother ships, including civilian ships converted for this purpose. Iran has such experience. You can borrow it.

UAV data, without entering the enemy’s air defense zone, can become an excellent first line of detection of enemy BEC. An expensive decision, but war is an incredibly expensive business, and the loss of your own landing craft or frigate with its crew from enemy naval drones is much more expensive. Of course, the weather factor, fog, low clouds, strong winds, the work of the enemy (and our own electronic warfare) - all this makes serious adjustments. But who said that fighting in the 21st century is easy?

An echelon network that monitors the water surface 24/7, aircraft-type UAVs with various detection systems will make it possible to detect enemy sea drones at a safe distance and give instructions to their carriers weapons – boats, planes and helicopters, attack drones for their destruction.

Of course, this will not solve the problem of enemy naval drones that have already broken through to our ships at sea. But for this we need a parallel solution - several high-speed boats with large-caliber rapid-fire machine guns, always (!) accompanying warships. They should become an integral part of every ship from MRK, corvette and larger.

On board they must have a high mast equipped with detection systems, weapons with a good set of power supply units for it - machine guns, rapid-fire machine guns and cannons with manual and automatic guidance, with good angles of attack. Primarily along the sides and in the stern. To fire at the BEC, moving away from it or walking on a parallel course. And, of course, they must have powerful engines to achieve high speed.

Their task is to patrol around the warship they are guarding in the dangerous zone of enemy naval drones, timely detection, warning of the ship’s command staff and destruction of the BEC. Ideally, each of them will be equipped with its own UAV to improve awareness in the sector of responsibility.

And of course, the protected warship itself must have its own UAVs to monitor the sea surface in the area around itself and along its course. Of course, retrofitting all warships in a dangerous zone of military conflict with on-board rapid-fire weapons, on the sides and in the stern, with at least sufficient firepower to destroy the BEC at a safe distance. It goes without saying that there should be floodlights.

You can argue as much as you like about the cost of all this, but how much are the lives of the crew destroyed by a drone of a large ship worth and what is the value of the fleet itself, huddling close to its bases, away from the range of enemy naval drones?

Few would argue that in that limited sea basin of the Black Sea, all the specifics of using the ships of the Red Black Sea Fleet were reduced to the defense of naval bases practically at the roadstead or at the wall and themselves. Despite the fact that most of the large ships of the fleet are forced to leave for the port of Novorossiysk and beyond. Everyone has long forgotten about the brave and beautiful landings of amphibious assault forces from large landing ships during exercises, proudly approaching the enemy’s shore.

Too many conditions did not work out for this. Finding yourself sunk by an enemy cruise missile, sea or aerial kamikaze drone and other dirty tricks has become very real at a great distance from the enemy’s shore, let alone next to it. And as a result, some ships became either surface launchers for the Kyrgyz Republic, or surface air defense-missile defense in bases, to the best of their capabilities. Cargo transportation by landing ships is a dangerous lottery marked “very”!

The result - in my opinion, in order to preserve the military fleet that finds itself in the situation in which the KChF is located - we need: a buffer from a line of UAVs for detecting sea drones and targeting weapon carriers at them in the sea zone. Also, every more or less large and significant ship needs escort and protection by specially equipped high-speed boats. As well as short-range UAVs.

The ships themselves must be retrofitted with rapid-fire weapons to destroy naval drones around the perimeter of the ship. And all this should work in maximum information-channel connection.

And lastly, ships should not sail the same course all the time from one point to another. And the crew and all those informed are prohibited from disclosing anywhere about the date and time of the ship’s departure to sea, and especially its purpose for the voyage.

Of course, in the current SVO it is hardly possible to have time to create what I wrote about for protection against sea drones. But for the future, we need to come up with something, create it, and implement it.
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  1. +6
    27 February 2024 04: 54
    Looking at the footage from the SVO, there is a feeling that the wars are getting closer to the fighting shown in the science fiction film “Screamers”. Only there the drones are underground. And now air and sea. There is little left and drones will be completely controlled by AI. And the only thing left for people is to sit in the drone control bunkers.
    1. -4
      27 February 2024 06: 55
      Let me add:

      What is the most terrible enemy in war? This is predictability of behavior, location, tactics... and the list goes on.

      How do ships operate at the base at night? Probably - motionless, which means - predictable.

      Black Sea Fleet ships, targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, must move at night. Preferably not at a linear rate. And move along a pseudo-random course that changes daily.

      This is not a guarantee of invulnerability, but a reduction in the chances of being hit.
      1. +4
        27 February 2024 08: 49
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Black Sea Fleet ships, targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, must move at night. Preferably not at a linear rate. And move along a pseudo-random course that changes daily.

        So NATO AWACS flies from neutral waters and calmly takes pictures of all movements. There is no benefit from this, only a decrease in safety due to the distance from coastal air defense, and fuel consumption with a resource
        1. 0
          5 March 2024 04: 52
          Blackmokona
          Don't write nonsense. Everything that happens is at night.
          1. The pseudo-random course is unpredictable. The AWACS must constantly find, monitor and report the course to the control center controllers.
          Takes pictures of all the movements
          - this is a useless exercise in the case of an unpredictable course from night to night. You didn’t understand that this also happens at night - photos in the optical range have no quality, value or relevance.
          2. The pseudo-random course of the ship means that the control unit must change its course without knowing the “future” - and this means better recognition of this control unit due to water breakers, wake marks of sudden changes in course. And the fuel consumption of the BPU.
          -
          How do ships behave in the event of a torpedo attack? That's right, they change course... they loop... they deplete the torpedo's energy resource. And yes, another news for you - they use up their fuel over time.

          This is a crime - the immobility of ships in the face of a possible attack by BPU (or torpedoes). And using fuel and engine resources to save the ship is an excellent result!
      2. +2
        27 February 2024 08: 53
        Good morning . Allow me to say a few words. Intelligence must work and identify storage and production bases for these maritime drones. One blow and the entire production is destroyed. If they are supplied from abroad, then it is necessary to hit the storage and management bases. Therefore, the main thing is reconnaissance.
      3. +6
        27 February 2024 11: 14
        Quote: Mikhail Drabkin
        Black Sea Fleet ships, targets of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, must move at night. Preferably not at a linear rate. And move along a pseudo-random course that changes daily.

        And after several months of such basing, the ships will go en masse for another repair of the power plant.

        Methods to combat BEC have been known since WWI. They are no different from the methods of combating torpedo boats and sabotage “crew” boats: aerial reconnaissance of long-range approaches, ship and boat patrols at bases (that’s exactly what he should be doing, while looking with all eyes and listening with all ears), a boom net barrier and stationary observation and destruction systems at the entrance to the base, duty defenses on ships in the base, which have rigid sectors of fire (so that it doesn’t happen like in Kronstadt, when “Andrey” in the heat of battle almost fired in the direction of the mines).
        At the same time, it is highly desirable to separate the basing locations of the OVR forces and the protected ships. So that you don't have to open the barrier often. And so that the constantly incoming and outgoing OVR ships do not blur the eyes of observers of the entrance and water area and do not serve as cover for a breakthrough of the BEC. In 1943, due to this flickering, the Red Banner Baltic Fleet lost the Red Banner cruise ship - Finnish TKAs (one of them was captured) were mistakenly identified as returning OVR boats.
        1. -5
          27 February 2024 12: 51
          Quote: Alexey RA
          And after several months of such basing, the ships will go en masse for another repair of the power plant.

          Bad ships, that is.

          Quote: Alexey RA
          on-duty defense equipment on ships in the base, with strictly defined sectors of fire (so that it doesn’t happen like in Kronstadt, when “Andrey” in the heat of battle almost fired in the direction of the mines)

          What will we do when the BECs arrive in Gadzhievo? Who will shoot back there and with what?
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 16: 45
            Quote: DenVB
            Bad ships, that is.

            Well, excuse me, the endless resource of mechanisms exists only in the heads of the bosses who drove the Kuznetsov without repairs from year to year.
            Quote: DenVB
            What will we do when the BECs arrive in Gadzhievo? Who will shoot back there and with what?

            If the BEC has sailed to Gadzhievo, it means that all previous lines of defense of the base have already been broken through and a full-fledged war is underway. And in this case, the SSBNs will fire back - right from the piers.
            1. -1
              27 February 2024 16: 58
              Quote: Alexey RA
              Well, excuse me, the endless resource of mechanisms exists only in the heads of the bosses who drove the Kuznetsov without repairs from year to year.

              Merchant ships have been going back and forth for years without making a buzz. Although that’s just me, by the way.

              Quote: Alexey RA
              If the BEC has sailed to Gadzhievo, it means that all previous lines of defense of the base have already been broken through and a full-fledged war is underway.

              If a dozen BECs sail to Gadzhievo or Vilyuchinsk right tonight, will it be a full-fledged war? Or not quite yet? And with whom exactly?
              1. 0
                28 February 2024 09: 52
                If a dozen BECs sail to Gadzhievo or Vilyuchinsk right tonight, will it be a full-fledged war?

                To prevent unidentified BECs from sailing to Vilyuchinsk tomorrow, today it is necessary for unidentified BECs to sail in British harbors, or perhaps aboard US ships in the Red Sea, then the partners will understand that this game can be played together and will moderate their ardor.
              2. +3
                28 February 2024 10: 57
                Quote: DenVB
                Merchant ships have been going back and forth for years without making a buzz.

                Yeah... economic moves at approximately constant speed. On low-power engines, designed to be indestructible.
                I remember this joke from Bigler, when, in response to the tearful request of some small-sized people to share oil, a barrel was lowered from a passing bulk carrier as it was moving along and they said that there were no smaller containers, and no one would take them on board to “pour oil into the client’s container.” it won’t - because braking and accelerating this car with its engine will take several hours. smile
                Quote: DenVB
                If a dozen BECs sail to Gadzhievo or Vilyuchinsk right tonight, will it be a full-fledged war?

                Sinking of SSBNs with radioactive contamination of the area? No, of course this is not a reason for war.
                1. 0
                  28 February 2024 12: 38
                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Yeah... economic moves at approximately constant speed. On low-power engines, designed to be indestructible.

                  The economic speed of a container ship is about 20 knots. I don’t really understand about the low power. Power at constant speed is determined by water resistance.

                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  because braking and accelerating this car with its engine will take several hours.

                  Someone said that a warship must constantly slow down and accelerate? For what?

                  Quote: Alexey RA
                  Sinking of SSBNs with radioactive contamination of the area? No, of course this is not a reason for war.

                  I think so too. One official will express concern, another will remain silent, a third will burst into abuse and dire threats, a fourth will say “they drowned.” This will be the end of it.
                  1. 0
                    29 February 2024 10: 15
                    Quote: DenVB
                    Someone said that a warship must constantly slow down and accelerate? For what?

                    Because the water area of ​​the base is limited. And the ship will have to tack along the area allocated to it.
                    And also because the uniform and linear movement of the ship is the best option for attacking it. Old machine gun "Battleship" in real life.
                    Quote: DenVB
                    I think so too. One official will express concern, another will remain silent, a third will burst into abuse and dire threats, a fourth will say “they drowned.” This will be the end of it.

                    Nope. Because tomorrow it will be the rest of the SSBNs, the day after tomorrow it will be the PGRK, and for those in power it will end with a meeting with Saddam and Muammar. And they understand this perfectly.
                    1. 0
                      29 February 2024 12: 37
                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Because the water area of ​​the base is limited. And the ship will have to tack along the area allocated to it.
                      And also because the uniform and linear movement of the ship is the best option for attacking it.

                      Well, let them rule. They also have something like a steering wheel there. This is a wheel with handles.

                      Quote: Alexey RA
                      Nope. Because tomorrow it will be the rest of the SSBNs, the day after tomorrow it will be the PGRK, and for those in power it will end with a meeting with Saddam and Muammar. And they understand this perfectly.

                      And this supposedly wonderful understanding is transformed into - what? What will they do? Will our BECs be sent to sink Ukrainian SSBNs?
          2. 0
            29 February 2024 15: 30
            . What will we do when the BECs arrive in Gadzhievo?


            There are boom gates there. It is possible to close it if desired. In addition, there is a PDSS division. At the exit to the bay there is a parking lot for a duty ship. There are (were in my time) means of sonar.
            Let me summarize briefly: if you keep your watch as expected, the mouse will not slip through. And if you suffer from bullshit, the result will be disastrous.
            To put it simply, there are a lot of tools. True, if the hands are not sticking out from there, then the trough cannot be cut out (see Cartoon about the Far Away Kingdom).
            1. 0
              29 February 2024 20: 59
              Two busty women with Kalash rifles will cope perfectly with any BECs. The experience of the Black Sea Fleet is a guarantee of this. It’s not for nothing that they were awarded medals and orders. This valuable experience must be extended to the entire fleet.
        2. -1
          28 February 2024 23: 45
          There should be a couple more things:
          - Hydroacoustic stations, and it is advisable to develop them towards the enemy shore, so that at some point you can learn to videotape the arrivals of those who brought the boats to the shore
          - There should be camouflage in the port, if the sailors already seem to be doing nothing useful, let them knock together superstructures for all sorts of barges from plywood, so that from space they look like warships. And vice versa.
          - Now it’s the 21st century and you can patrol not with boats, but with something flying and unmanned. It’s unlikely they’ll be able to shoot down an eagle, but they’ll probably try to sink our boat with a couple of onlookers
  2. -11
    27 February 2024 05: 15
    The easiest way is to call and criticize, which is what the author does in the article.
    1. 0
      27 February 2024 21: 16
      Quote: anatolv
      The easiest way is to call and criticize, which is what the author does in the article.

      You're great.
      But I sometimes criticize bad smartphones and bad cars.
      It turns out that you have to offer your own circuit design, design solutions and logistics... sad
      Thank you for pointing me on the right path.
      1. -1
        28 February 2024 08: 01
        Don’t distort, don’t attribute your speculations to me!
  3. -10
    27 February 2024 05: 34
    Is the Black Sea Fleet definitely driven into the bases? Who guards traffic to Russia's Black Sea ports in the Krasnodar Territory? The Americans? So they sleep and see how to reset traffic to Novorossiysk, the largest port in Russia in terms of cargo turnover.
    1. +3
      27 February 2024 05: 39
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Is the Black Sea Fleet definitely driven into the bases?
      The fleet does not conduct active operations against the Skakloff. Unless it protects our coastal transportation
      1. -7
        27 February 2024 05: 44
        The fleet constantly guards our strategic maritime transportation on the Novorossiysk-Turkish Straits line. Cabotage on the Black Sea is mainly for Turkey. There is also a little for Bulgaria and even Romania.
        1. +5
          27 February 2024 06: 32
          Quote: tralflot1832
          The fleet constantly guards our strategic maritime transportation on the Novorossiysk-Turkish Straits line

          From whom?

          Why are security guards unable to protect themselves?
          1. 0
            27 February 2024 07: 09
            During the daytime, the Black Sea Fleet ensures its safety and the safety of protected facilities. It remains to solve the problem of the night.
            1. 0
              27 February 2024 07: 26
              Quote: tralflot1832
              It remains to solve the problem of the night.

              Booms on the roadstead.
              1. +4
                27 February 2024 07: 42
                And why not, if the Northern Fleet is closed with booms, especially nuclear submarine bases.
                1. +3
                  27 February 2024 07: 53
                  Question for the sailors. After all, they were taught to protect ships from torpedoes. And naval drones are not even torpedoes. It is easier to detect and eliminate the threat. But why doesn't this happen?
                  1. +4
                    27 February 2024 09: 03
                    I'm not a sailor, but I'll try to answer as I understand. The whole point is not some kind of miracle weapon, but a banal “human factor”. The fleet “lives” in peacetime, but is forced to participate in combat operations. The watch service on the ships is poorly organized, there are no night detection devices or are not used, there are no small-caliber rapid-fire weapons with night sights, but even Pecheneg machine guns are enough to destroy all these BECs. What happened with the large landing ship "Caesar Kunnikov" is a clear confirmation of this.
                    1. -7
                      27 February 2024 09: 56
                      Quote: bug120560
                      I'm not a sailor

                      But the admiral for sure!
                      Quote: bug120560
                      The watch service on ships is poorly organized

                      Where does such knowledge come from?
                      Quote: bug120560
                      Even Pecheneg machine guns are enough to destroy all these BECs

                      Have you ever tried to shoot at the sea from a ship with a machine gun...at least during the day?
                      1. -6
                        27 February 2024 11: 04
                        And you...from which ship (vessel) and when? Can you tell a ship from a ship? Have you seen a machine gun other than in the picture at TsIPSO courses?
                      2. +5
                        27 February 2024 12: 03
                        Quote: zombirusrev
                        And you...from which ship (vessel) and when?

                        Young man, they were already scribbling a jacket on me when your father just started to get excited from porn pictures! Better get busy with your revolutionary zombification, I hope your childish humor will go off with a bang!
                      3. -5
                        27 February 2024 12: 13
                        It’s immediately obvious that you can’t say anything, they even know the word tunic.. well, in general, a sailor is a sailor... he just sputters with saliva... Yes, TsIPSO is not doing enough work.. we need to select agents who are more psychologically stable.. :) There’s a whole lot about the tunic. .you didn’t fit into the standard one?
                      4. 0
                        3 March 2024 16: 08
                        I think that shooting from a 7,62 x 54 caliber machine gun mounted on the deck of a ship is no more difficult than shooting, for example, from a 12-gauge hunting rifle, at a duck, from a boat, or shooting on the move while hunting from the approach, from a 7,62-caliber carbine, 63 x 30 (06-30). For the last XNUMX years this is exactly what I have been doing while hunting.
                        In addition, I would like to point out to you that one of the purposes of tracer ammunition is the ability to adjust shooting at night based on the trail of a bullet. So, there are no problems with guidance, from the word “at all”.
                        As for my knowledge about the capabilities of the Pecheneg, I give you advice - to get an idea, look at the characteristics of this weapon and its ammunition.
        2. -1
          28 February 2024 23: 47
          Keeps it under guard - in the sense of destroying BECs attacking our merchant ships? Or maybe they don’t attack because someone allowed foreign ships to sail to Odessa?
      2. -1
        27 February 2024 09: 51
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        The fleet does not conduct active operations against the Skakloff

        What kind of active operations do you think the fleet should conduct?
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        3. -2
          27 February 2024 22: 02
          Quote: Serg65
          Quote: Dutchman Michel
          The fleet does not conduct active operations against the Skakloff

          What kind of active operations do you think the fleet should conduct?

          According to Forbest............

          Last season (2022/2023, from July to June), Ukraine exported 49 million tons of grain, exceeding the previous year’s figure by 1,3%.
          (you can google it yourself)
          The grain deal continues to operate, the money is going to the brink. Nobody is blocking these supplies.
          Enough for active operations?
          1. -1
            28 February 2024 07: 54
            Quote: cmax
            Last season (2022/2023, from July to June) Ukraine exported 49 million tons of grain

            How did you export it? Where are the transport corridors for Ukrainian grain exports?
            Quote: cmax
            Enough for active operations?

            These operations are now carried out by Polish, Romanian and Hungarian farmers! Watch the news!
            As I understand it, you are proposing that the Black Sea Fleet begin military operations in the terrorist waters of NATO countries? Well, your desire is not enough here, you need a political decision to start a war with NATO, so contact the Kremlin with your proposal!
            1. -1
              28 February 2024 18: 07
              Quote: Serg65
              How did you export it? Where are the transport corridors for Ukrainian grain exports?

              Take the mouse in your right hand, open your eyes and look. The 21st century is here and the Internet is on your PC. For some gifted ones. The capacity of one car is 60 tons (new modification 90 tons) 49000000 / 75 tons = 653000 cars / 365 days = 1790 cars. per day / 65 trains in the composition = 27 trains per day.
              Briefly speaking.....
              According to data, 30 million grains were exported by sea (corridors...port of Odessa, Chernomorsk and Yuzhny

              Odessa news...,......
              Over the past few weeks, ten ships have made voyages to major Ukrainian ports on the Black Sea without incident, defying Russian threats to attack ships in the area).

              the rest by road and railway transport.
              One smart person said.....

              If something doesn’t work out, you need to convince yourself that you don’t need to do anything!
              This can also apply to you; I doubt that the figures given above will convince you. Don't tear your shirts, all the best!
              1. 0
                29 February 2024 08: 19
                Quote: cmax
                Take the mouse in your right hand

                Once again for highly literate PC users! The times of anarchy ended back in 1919! The Black Sea Fleet is a naval association and therefore, without an order from superior citizens, it does not have the right to move even one ship from point A to point B, let alone independently plan any military operations! There will be an order to strike at Ukrainian ports, this strike will be delivered! Therefore, once again for the slow-witted field marshals... all your wishes in writing to the address Moscow, st. Ilyinka 23/16 eleventh entrance!
                Quote: cmax
                Don't tear your shirts

                Don't be smart, you're bad at it!
              2. 0
                6 March 2024 20: 18
                The border between Ukraine and Romania runs along the Danube River, 50/50. When loading ships entering the Black Sea they immediately end up in the pipeline. waters of Romania.
                1. 0
                  6 March 2024 20: 43
                  Quote: 1Leningrad
                  The border between Ukraine and Romania runs along the Danube River, 50/50. When loading ships entering the Black Sea they immediately end up in the pipeline. waters of Romania.

                  Actually, ships have different displacements; the type of dry cargo barges that sail along the Danube. Large displacement at sea. Secondly, there is such a thing as sea-bottom mines, you don’t have to be neat, there’s a war going on. Thirdly, ships are loaded at ports. They reached St. Petersburg with a pair of drones, and the terminal is still being repaired. We're worse. Depriving the enemy of money for grain is a worthy task. In the fourth, I have no doubt that some of the ships will carry military cargo into the ports. Why would the enemy make this task easier? This is my opinion, you and the General Staff have a different opinion.
                  1. 0
                    6 March 2024 21: 08
                    Sorry, we can only judge from our own bell tower. But the Danube is a navigable river and river-sea vessels are not barges. And the drones flew to St. Petersburg from the Baltic.
      3. 0
        28 February 2024 09: 55
        The fleet does not conduct active operations against the Skakloff

        What active operations would you like the Black Sea Fleet to conduct against Ukraine? Ukraine does not have a fleet, there is no talk of a landing operation at all - this is suicidal stupidity, and the fleet carries out missile strikes. And if you have ever been to Crimea, you will see that the ships are not stationed in bases, they are actively moving.
        1. +1
          28 February 2024 11: 13
          Quote: Stepan S
          What active operations would you like the Black Sea Fleet to conduct against Ukraine?

          At a minimum, to carry out a naval blockade of ports through which weapons and components are supplied, and Skaklchtsky exports are exported for the purchase of weapons
          1. 0
            28 February 2024 14: 55
            to carry out a naval blockade of ports,

            For an effective blockade of ports, Black Sea Fleet ships must come close to the shores of Ukraine, and there are anti-ship missiles there, and ships from Odessa can proceed off the coast of Romania and Bulgaria, where there is no possibility of intercepting them. And ours don’t really want this, since we have our own ports on the Black Sea and our own exports and no one wants unnecessary problems in return.
            1. +1
              28 February 2024 15: 01
              Quote: Stepan S
              For an effective blockade of ports, Black Sea Fleet ships must approach the shores of Ukraine
              It always seemed that for an effective blockade it was enough to be on duty on sea routes. This is what the Germans did in the First and Second World Wars
              Quote: Stepan S
              . And ours don’t really want this, since we have our own ports on the Black Sea and our own exports and no one wants unnecessary problems in return.

              What problems could we have in the closed waters of the Black Sea, and even with the fleet and naval aviation?
            2. -1
              28 February 2024 23: 50
              Quote: Stepan S
              and there are anti-ship missiles

              what a horror, anti-ship missiles, a formidable weapon from which everyone runs away in fear! It’s a pity that we don’t have submarines in the Black Sea Fleet; at least they can ignore anti-ship missiles. And five Warsaw women don’t count
    2. +3
      27 February 2024 16: 25
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Is the Black Sea Fleet definitely driven into the bases? Who guards traffic to Russia's Black Sea ports in the Krasnodar Territory? The Americans? So they sleep and see how to reset traffic to Novorossiysk, the largest port in Russia in terms of cargo turnover.

      Who are you trying to explain something to? Clyster tubes.. Well, them.
      1. +1
        27 February 2024 17: 08
        Jury hi We have many experts who discuss the cypsoid goosebump. drinks
  4. +1
    27 February 2024 07: 43
    All these arguments are from the PPR cycle (those who have served know), and all that is necessary for the safety of the fleet and maritime transport is to urgently take the rest of the emergency and drive away the “great ukrov” to Zhmerinka (let them dig a new sea for themselves there)!
  5. +2
    27 February 2024 08: 02
    But for the future, we need to come up with something, create it, and implement it.
    They’ll come up with something, create it, implement it. Probably.
    1. +1
      27 February 2024 09: 36
      They’ll come up with something, create it, implement it. Probably

      perhaps, or at least they will tell a bedtime story at 21.00 about how “it is being created, imports are being replaced and strengthened”
  6. +3
    27 February 2024 08: 05
    The Black Sea Fleet problem cannot be solved by the fleet itself. If the fleet tries to sit out in the bases, it will become a target for missiles. If he leaves the bases, he will become a target for drones. This is what is happening now.

    IMHO, this is exactly the case when the problem of unpreparedness for the enemy’s new weapons can only be solved by the use of other new weapons - perhaps in combination with new tactics.

    An example from history - the problem of German submarines was solved by radars and the use of convoys. The boats were driven under water, but there they were not so dangerous, they simply could not catch up with anyone.

    IMHO, only other drones can fight against drones. IMHO, technically they are not very difficult to invent and manufacture, a small autonomous submarine, converted, for example, from the body of an ancient torpedo, with a hydrophone, sonar and a computer with a small controller and a not very complex program. Well, taking into account the wishes of the workers, with a video camera :)

    Or something equally cheap and effective. Look, it worked out so well with FABs. Well, this is a little more complicated.
    1. +1
      27 February 2024 12: 56
      Quote: S.Z.
      Or something equally cheap and effective.

      It won't come cheap. But you have to look for something effective, yes. And urgently.
      1. -2
        27 February 2024 18: 55
        Quote: DenVB
        It won't come cheap. But

        You can try bolometers. These are heat sensors, simple and cheap enough to make in large quantities and quickly - and with them to detect invisible heat sources in the sea at night. For both drones in the air and in the water, instead of expensive thermal imagers, you can first install a simple, affordable but mass-produced bolometer sensor, which can warn of moving thermal anomalies in the sea.
        1. -1
          27 February 2024 19: 08
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          You can try bolometers.

          Chinese IR thermometers are still possible. From three hundred rubles to Ali. Yes

          Quote: ycuce234-san
          And for drones in the air and in the water you can start

          So where are these drones?
    2. +1
      29 February 2024 00: 03
      There is nothing new about this weapon. The Black Sea Fleet simply turned out to be completely uncombat-ready; even a mine boat with a pole mine would have terrified it. The ships are blind and deaf, extremely vulnerable, dangling confusedly across the sea. For some reason, three tank crews can weld a barbecue and additional dynamic protection onto the tank, plant a soldier somewhere with a Mavik to warn them of dangers and help with guidance, and beg volunteers for electronic warfare. The fleet does nothing at all, no camouflage, no reconnaissance, until the BEC floats a couple of hundred meters, no one will notice it. Hunting thermal imagers are not too expensive, Mavics with thermal cameras are not too expensive, but most likely nothing like this is available anywhere. The fleet remained somewhere in 2021, where is peace and quiet
  7. -7
    27 February 2024 08: 23
    Why the hell do we need a fleet in the Black Sea puddle?
    1. +2
      27 February 2024 08: 45
      Quote: S.Z.
      IMHO, only other drones can fight against drones

      An ordinary boat with a machine gun and a crew of 2 people can do the same, if during the day, a surface unmanned boat is not an underwater vehicle, by the way, the boats have a good propeller noise, it would be possible to scatter floating sensors
      1. -2
        27 February 2024 09: 21
        Yes, like the MO-4 during the war....
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 10: 52
          Quote: zombirusrev
          Yes, like the MO-4 during the war....


          Our missile boat, recently sunk, was about the same as the MO. By the way, the Germans began firing acoustic torpedoes at them, and successfully.

          The boat is a goal, not a means of protection.
          1. -6
            27 February 2024 10: 55
            Are you sure about this? Really..No one will spend a drone on a midge.. Are you even aware of its parameters? Apparently not.. Our RTO is the so-called. “the floor of a missile cruiser” and it can drown an aircraft carrier with one salvo of mosquitoes. And the MO-4 is a cheap vessel with a speed of up to 27 knots. small displacement and armed with a pair of anti-aircraft guns and the 4th DShK .. So you compared incomparable things .. citizen .. :)
            1. +3
              27 February 2024 11: 28
              Quote: zombirusrev
              No one will waste a drone on a midge..

              They will be on patrol. Just to create a hole in the security system into which the BEC strike group will go.
              During that war, the U-250 did not spare even the one and a half ton G105e to sink the MO-7.
              1. -3
                27 February 2024 11: 56
                Because she was in immediate danger and the U-250 could become a mass grave, and the commander of the boat really didn’t want that. And there was no choice, either you or you. And if you make a lot of these midges, and now they will be much smaller.... of course they will fight them, but definitely not with torpedoes... which are now more expensive than a boat with a machine gun..
                1. 0
                  27 February 2024 12: 58
                  Nonsense - they will be exterminated like kittens. It's not the price, it's the lack of efficiency. And who said that the Ministry of Defense will spend a floating drone? He won’t be able to catch up with him - just a moped or 10 mopeds will be enough. This idea will bring nothing but unnecessary losses and costs.
            2. -1
              27 February 2024 12: 46
              There are no aircraft carriers in the Black Sea, and the enemy uses its boats to attack any floating target.

              Therefore, you are wrong - it is not a matter of size. Any ship is a target for a drone. And we’ve already fought with machine guns, but we still don’t understand that this is a useless task.
      2. -3
        27 February 2024 10: 50
        “An ordinary boat with a machine gun and a crew of 2 people can do the same, if during the day, a surface unmanned boat is not an underwater vehicle, by the way, the boats have a good propeller noise, it would be possible to scatter floating sensors”

        Yeah, maybe after a while. And another time he won’t notice or miss. This is the first thing.

        Secondly, the enemy will be able to book their boats - and the machine gun will no longer help.

        Thirdly, the enemy will hide the boats under water, this is not so difficult, and the machine gun will not reach it, and the person will not see it. It is obvious that the next type of maritime drone will be underwater.

        Patrols with machine guns are more expensive than anti-boats - you need a lot of them, their use unmasks ships, a boat with a machine gun is not seaworthy enough and, as practice shows, it can become a target itself.
        1. -2
          27 February 2024 11: 01
          Try to book the Kazanka, let's see how it works out for you... will it even sail further? And if you also load it with plastic so that it can be damaged, for example, an RTO, then it will immediately go to Neptune... It’s the TsIPSO that forces you to carry such nonsense... incompatible with physics :)
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 12: 52
            You all write well, but it’s just very stupid. You still won’t understand that our losses are simply due to our lack of readiness for new weapons, against which the old ones are not effective, which for some reason you cannot understand. This position results in our losses, which could have been avoided.

            It is possible to book a "cauldron", but it is easier to drive it under water, which, most likely, will be done. However, this may not be necessary - our admirals, if they think like you, will lose the entire Black Sea Fleet before that.

            And by the way, it’s not a pity to spend a “cauldron” on the Ministry of Defense, even 10 “cauldrons” - there are no people for them. And pitting living people against robots is not only immoral, but also stupid.
        2. -3
          27 February 2024 11: 03
          Nonsense again... read about MO-4 Technology for Youth... enlighten yourself..
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 13: 00
            :) I read it in my deep youth. This is not a textbook, but a literary book for young laymen.
            1. -1
              28 February 2024 10: 09
              Of course, not a textbook, just share what exactly is wrong with MO-4? In my opinion, everything is fine..if it’s not so, the evidence is in the studio...or as they said in the echoes of FidoNet “Links to the studio otherwise... fffftopk!” (c) Provide factual material that according to MO-4 in “Technology of Youth” not this way?
              1. 0
                28 February 2024 14: 45
                “Of course not a textbook, just share what exactly is wrong with MO-4?”

                1. He himself is a target for a drone; he is attacked from the air, against which he is defenseless.
                2. The enemy's next obvious step is underwater drones, which will render any proposed means useless.
                3. If you do not distinguish a popular article for young people from technical documentation or documentary material in general, I, alas, cannot help you, it’s too late.

                I say this as one of the former authors of TM :).
    2. +2
      27 February 2024 09: 59
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Why the hell do we need a fleet in the Black Sea puddle?

      So that you have the opportunity to show your irresistible mind!!!
    3. +1
      27 February 2024 10: 55
      Why Turkey, Romania, Bulgaria
    4. +3
      28 February 2024 08: 48
      Quote: Victor Sergeev
      Why the hell do we need a fleet in the Black Sea puddle?

      Why the hell are the British and US navies getting in there then? What the hell?
  8. 0
    27 February 2024 09: 04
    Our naval commanders have a very skeletal consciousness that dwells on the heyday of the USSR fleet during the time of Sergei Gorshkov. At that time everything was fine, but new challenges require new ideas to fight against them. A boat with a motor and 600 kg of explosives is not something that cannot be detected or destroyed, you just need to understand that it exists, will not go anywhere and requires systemic counteraction. As at the level of destruction of 1-carriers or bases, guidance and detection systems for the destruction of these drones themselves at the final stage of launching an attack. Everything is as simple as steamed turnips. Our naval commanders just can’t seem to get this idea into their heads.
    1. 0
      27 February 2024 10: 02
      Quote: zombirusrev
      Everything is as simple as steamed turnips

      In words, I am the same as a pilot, but I fly only in my dreams!
      By the way...Zombies of the Russian Revolution....I'm sorry, what about???
      1. -4
        27 February 2024 10: 45
        Use your brains...if you have any! :))) And flying in a dream is “5+++”.. are you taking Negrustin.... children usually fly in their dreams.... it’s useful for them..
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 11: 02
          Quote: zombirusrev
          Use your brains...if you have any!

          what Why are modern emo revolutionaries always so angry?
          Quote: zombirusrev
          Are you taking Negrustin?

          Come on... I play the balalaika... with bears!
          1. -4
            27 February 2024 11: 08
            Continue playing... TsIPSO will approve and you will be able to camouflage well on the territory of the Russian Federation. And they forgot about vodka.. add it to the manual..
            1. +2
              27 February 2024 12: 08
              Quote: zombirusrev
              TsIPSO will approve

              Did they forget to close the gate at the Serbsky Institute again?
              Quote: zombirusrev
              And they forgot about vodka

              The vodka was from you, I just reminded you of the continuation.... but apparently it’s not the horse’s feed!
              1. 0
                28 February 2024 07: 56
                Quote: Serg65
                Did they forget to close the gate at the Serbsky Institute again?

                Simply put, he missed taking his pills.
                1. -1
                  28 February 2024 10: 12
                  Since you know, are you regular customers there? By God, they spit saliva like children... and they say that they are adults.. “It’s a coincidence, I don’t think so..” (c)
                  1. +1
                    28 February 2024 10: 20
                    Doesn't another answer come to mind? Think narrowly, grown man!
  9. -1
    27 February 2024 09: 44
    The main problem now is the inability to hide any preparatory actions for a major operation (and indeed any actions in general (everything is tracked online (the enemy’s reconnaissance works perfectly
    1. -3
      27 February 2024 10: 48
      Because we are afraid to destroy these reconnaissance instruments... the Russian Federation is not the USSR... there a simple border boat could turn around Ticonderoga... read "Shoot."... Pokrovsky :)
      1. 0
        27 February 2024 11: 39
        Quote: zombirusrev
        The Russian Federation is not the USSR... there a simple border boat could turn around Ticonderoga.

        In reality, in order to deploy the Tika (more precisely, the Yorktown), it was necessary to use two naval TFRs. TFR "Selfless" pr. 1135 in bulk forced the missile defense missile system to leave the USSR's territorial waters. And SKR-6 pr. 35 did the same with the Caron EM.

        The problem is that this was already the second demonstrative entry of this group into our territorial waters. And for the first time, the USSR wiped itself out. How he got rid of the fact of the conditional bombing of American carrier-based aircraft on the territory of Green Island (Kuril Islands).
        1. -1
          27 February 2024 11: 45
          These are two different stories....at least that’s what A. Pokrovsky said....
  10. 0
    27 February 2024 09: 55
    Quote: Mekey Iptyshev
    ГLooking at the footage from the Northern Military District, there is a feeling that the wars are getting closer to the fighting shown in the science fiction film "Screamers". Only there the drones are underground. And now air and sea. There is little left and drones will be completely controlled by AI. And the only thing left for people is to sit in the drone control bunkers.


    and not only this film, listing sensible films will take up a lot of space
    what famous directors are good at is that they “see” tomorrow
  11. 0
    27 February 2024 09: 58
    In general, on this topic, the task consists of two:
    1. detection and defeat of BEC
    2. defeat of BEC guidance and tracking systems

    and there is no need to say anything about international waters or airspace - the new realities of war force us to look differently at the use of existing laws and agreements, without this it is impossible
    1. -1
      27 February 2024 10: 52
      There is an opinion that any unmanned vehicle, sea, air, etc. the presence of which was not declared in advance in accordance with international legislation, this is hazardous waste that must be disposed of immediately. And you should deal with him accordingly.
  12. -3
    27 February 2024 11: 09
    Firstly, learn how to make high-speed boats with a crew of 1-2 people, automatic weapons, secondly, as written, a UAV in the air, but the question is what will you do when it’s foggy, the drone doesn’t see this trace from the air, thirdly, ban illumination on ships, they glow like Christmas trees, fourthly learn how to make underwater sensors on anchors that would be attached to the bottom like mines - this is for the future and for underwater drones, you think there won’t be anything like this, recently the Houthis caught the most advanced US drone, so let the Russian Navy make at least high-speed boats, learn how to make them, and they don’t need to be super super duper docks you can even spank on the river and for the Russian Navy the time of gigantism has passed and they are all thinking about giant ships
    1. -3
      27 February 2024 11: 48
      It’s a difficult task to fight in general; it doesn’t just require significantly straining ISKCON! But when the fleet gets rid of peacetime admirals... then things will go well. And what you said has already been done a long time ago, I even know the name of this organization and our naval commanders know this address... but something is stopping them from going there or calling... another thing is that they don’t pay there even once, like in Gazprom.
  13. +2
    27 February 2024 12: 47
    Be thankful that they don’t hit civilian courts yet.
  14. 0
    27 February 2024 13: 36
    Practice has shown that on the open sea during the day, ships fought off the backs.
    Not near the shore at night.
    The conclusion is simple: it is necessary to strengthen the ability of ships to detect at night and increase firepower.
    To do this, install additional machine guns, small-caliber guns with night sights, and thermal imagers. Equip ships with simple hydrophones, echo sounders, and sonars.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 13: 24
      Maybe it’s worth not equipping the ships themselves, but making naval drones capable of carrying out reconnaissance nearby? If only because scattering hydroacoustic buoys, as was done before, is unproductive.
  15. BAI
    +1
    27 February 2024 13: 44
    The solution to the problem of naval drones was found 120 years ago during the Russo-Japanese War.
  16. 0
    27 February 2024 14: 05
    If the navy could/knew/wanted to fight, they would at least use deception tactics as ancient as Sun Tzu. Why was Tsezar Kunikov at anchor off Yalta, wearing an old galosh and wearing make-up with a trained but small crew? Several of these galoshes on raids with drones and machine guns will greatly reduce the effectiveness of the backs. But this requires determination and ingenuity. In the meantime, we have the WWII option - hide the entire Black Sea Fleet in bases and not go anywhere. As a result, the Bandera sea punks control the sea, God knows what they are planning, and are precisely approaching commercial shipping and pipelines. While our mortals are resting behind the booms.
  17. -1
    27 February 2024 17: 20
    We also need such backings, to use them to blow up bridges across the Dnieper for Ukrainians, to finish off the port infrastructure, to conduct surveillance, etc. The beauty of the back is that it can be handed over to the Ukrainian Odessa partisans, and they from Kaliningrad will accidentally blow up the supplied weapons to the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the approach to Poland, write Maiden in Great Britain on the back and that’s all. After all, in fact, we didn’t open this Pandora’s box, it’s a pity that we haven’t yet come up with personalities who would promote this topic in civil society, like Vladlen in his time FPV, it’s hard to imagine in the Moscow Region system
  18. 0
    27 February 2024 22: 27
    To preserve the fleet, responsible and intelligent people, as the naval command probably considers themselves to be, need to sit down and think about what forces and means can be countered to this threat. I will never believe that this problem has no solution. It is their direct responsibility to find this solution. And it doesn’t matter where this or that idea comes from.
  19. -1
    27 February 2024 23: 35
    The title is written incorrectly. Necessary: ​​"The admirals are idiots and the fleet is thinned out by primitive shells"
  20. -2
    28 February 2024 00: 07
    Man, did you really complicate things, drones, boats, to protect an Aircraft Carrier, or a destroyer!? This is more expensive than the destroyer itself, which is 50 years old! No one has canceled the mining of the water area, and the fleet as a whole is in the Black Sea, not for the North Atlantic Ocean, but to prevent the entry of foreign military vessels! The Armed Forces of Ukraine essentially do not have a fleet, except for Backs and the like. The Russian fleet can only participate with artillery or missiles. For missiles, distance is not important, but you can do without naval artillery, so the ships are in the roadstead, there is a minefield and air defense around them, that’s it! No need to invent! Any increase in the budget is fraught with the risk of it being cut up by officials; there is no need for them to help rob the people! Defense is mines, air defense and distance! The fleet, in fact, is not directly involved in the operation; its goal is to protect the sea from outside invasion, and, if necessary, use cruise missiles!
  21. 0
    28 February 2024 11: 15
    Quote: Stepan S
    they move actively
    Besides active movement, what else do they do?
  22. +1
    28 February 2024 12: 54
    Immediately the most critical for detecting drones in the sea and over the sea: the obvious simplest and insurmountable solution for enemies, which has already been proposed by a specialist, but unfortunately - NOT here, not on this forum. 100% SOLUTION for timely detection of surface drones on the water: it is necessary to REVIVE (and not create anew!) combined radar stations on lifting and tethered balloons! As the expert said, such stations have already been tested in the past and have reached the testing stage. Their deployment was stifled in the natural course of the Chubais reforms. These stations were created on the basis of a powerful system of aerostat developments of the Russian Ministry of Defense in the central Dolgoprudny Automation Design Bureau (DKBA in Dolgoprudny), on the site of the former Dilizhablestroy of the USSR, which, if the people have not completely forgotten, provided multilateral aerostat air defense of Moscow and St. Petersburg in the Second World War. The DKBA is alive, although the enormous efforts of reformers to destroy it have achieved significant success. The test site of the Aerostat Service of the Ministry of Defense in Volsk, Saratov Region, has also been preserved, although in a mothballed form.
    It is clear to any competent engineer, just as it became clear to enemies, that radar and balloon stations for detecting and monitoring territory are superior in the sum of their parameters to all and any other systems. Raised to a height of 2 km on a standard balloon, the corresponding radar (or set of radars), operating via cable in stationary conditions continuously and around the clock, surpasses any aviation and even any satellite systems in its detection parameters! The cost of implementation is penny - when using standard aviation radar systems and proven DKBA aerostat structures, the implementation time is instantaneous (like the rise of barrage balloons over the capitals during the Second World War). The breadth of coverage is universal: with such balloons deployed in several points on the Southern Coast and Western Coast of Crimea. Compared to this simple and impeccable solution, all aviation options look in the current conditions like absurd fantasy, to say the least. So much so that the enemies have already thought of such a solution: as the expert said, the Pentagon, together with the British, have already ordered such a development of the US military-industrial complex. And NASA has the most powerful balloon control...: "women are already playing volleyball, and we..." stop
  23. -1
    28 February 2024 17: 47
    No matter how hard the Houthis try, they are only effective in dealing with merchant ships. All their attacks by anti-ship missiles and drones are repelled by surface ships and aircraft of the United States and others that have joined them. Here's the recipe for you. There is no need to build a fleet where each ship has no analogues in the world and each is supposedly an aircraft carrier killer. We need to build a fleet of modern combat ships. But it also has a drawback. Looks bad at shows and parades. Therefore, this does not suit us....
  24. 0
    28 February 2024 19: 57
    these marine drones (they are also called unmanned boats - BEC)
    ===
    IN, they should just be called BEC, and not like “drones”
  25. 0
    29 February 2024 14: 05
    The proposals are sensible, in my opinion. UAVs monitoring drone-dangerous areas must have night capabilities. A kind of screening arc along which monitoring. The only thing is that this will not provide protection from underwater drones, and they are on the way. Nevertheless.
    As for escort boats, this needs to be studied. The issue of “12,7 mm” has already been repeatedly raised at VO. Definitely, all ships must be equipped with machine guns of this caliber on the sides and more. Minimum 6 installations per ship. Of course, with night possibilities.
  26. +1
    29 February 2024 14: 35
    Something seems strange to me that everyone forgot that the “toothless” ships of Project 22160 coped well with drones. A fairly modern radar sees everything. And not even the most powerful artillery can cope with the problem. Old ships that did not have modern radars perished. Why were they without cover and outside the protected base?
  27. 0
    1 March 2024 17: 55
    Perhaps there should be some kind of radiation in the hemisphere around the ship?
  28. 0
    1 March 2024 18: 02
    And where are our ekranoplanes?
  29. 0
    1 March 2024 18: 43
    Or duty mini-“Poseidon-like” ones around the ship, scanning the water area.
  30. 0
    3 March 2024 22: 54
    Are boom barriers and anti-drone nets really so expensive that they don’t surround ships in the roadstead and block the entrance to naval bases???
  31. 0
    5 March 2024 09: 39
    I remember mocking reports on domestic TV before the start of the Northern Military District about programs on Ukrainian TV on the “mosquito” fleet (((
    Everything was presented in such a way that “what will they do to our fleet, poor souls? )))”

    I understand that this was done for the average person, but along the way it seems that the senior naval leadership also drew information from REN TV and the program “Military Secret”
    Today, March 5, 2024, the Ukrainians sent another patrolman to the bottom (((
    1. 0
      5 March 2024 14: 16
      Almost all drone attacks occur at night, maybe it's time to ban ships from going to sea at night
  32. 0
    6 March 2024 14: 04
    "several high-speed boats with large-caliber rapid-fire machine guns, always (!) accompanying warships."
    Did the author really serve on the ship? Is he aware that a “speed boat” and a “warship” have completely different seaworthiness? no, if now they fight at sea only in good weather, and in bad weather they sit at home watching TV, then yes, that’s probably true
  33. 0
    6 March 2024 20: 22
    The most effective remedy is the annexation of the Odessa and Nikolaev regions into Russia. True, it’s difficult, but otherwise everything will continue endlessly.
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  35. 0
    6 March 2024 23: 26
    I’ll add on my own behalf, I wanted to write an article, but I see that there are already a lot of such articles here

    Option one - electronic warfare

    Electronic warfare equipment capable of blocking a control signal or television signal to blind the drone
    We have many different systems on a wheeled chassis, is it really impossible to install the same equipment on a ship, I don’t think that the characteristics of a ship with a displacement of 6000 tons will be affected by an extra 50 tons.

    The second option is Robot War. In my opinion the most effective option

    FPV kamikaze drones should be effective against kamikaze BECs; they are small, lightweight, and much faster and more maneuverable than BECs. Seeing what miracles FPV drone operators perform, one can imagine how easy a boat moving at a speed of, God forbid, 50 km/h will be for them. From the video clips you can see that as soon as the BEC makes a maneuver, it immediately loses a lot in speed, hitting the waves, including itself. This means that on board any warship it is necessary to create a group of FPV drone operators and have a supply of these same drones, including reconnaissance ones, including those with thermal imagers for night hunting. Any ship, thus, can be turned into a “drone carrier”, and this flock of drones will perfectly protect it within a radius of 5-10 km from the threat of being hit by a BEC.

    Option three - Shoot down the gunners.

    It is obvious that Becky is directing the US reconnaissance drone to shoot it down.
    We also need to develop a jammer for Starlink signals, although I think this has already been developed and is being used. This means we need to install these systems on ships.

    Fourth option - Light anti-ship missiles

    Once a large ship armed with long-range heavy anti-ship missiles is attacked by small boats that cannot be hit by these missiles. This means we need to develop a small, lightweight short-range anti-ship missile system. By analogy with air defense, where there is an S-300 and there is a shell. For such a missile there will be no need to create complex systems that change the flight path and perform maneuvers against air defense systems, because the BEC does not have air defense systems. In general, it should be a missile launcher with its own radar, with small missiles that can accurately hit boats within a radius of 10 meters to 10 kilometers
    Also, by analogy with the shell, there should be a rapid-firing machine gun mount aimed at the target by radar.

    Fifth option - Blind the BEC optics

    These boats are controlled by people who receive real-time images from a camera installed on the boat. It is necessary to develop (and it seems to me that there are already systems that, for example, blind the optics in the homing head of missiles) systems that can automatically blind and disable these cameras when Back swims close.
    1. 0
      7 March 2024 11: 33
      Almost all of the above methods for repelling BEC attacks are bad: - 1) and escorting ships with machine-gun boats is not a feasible action, and if attempted, it is fraught with huge human and financial losses for our fleet, and not for the enemy fleet. Let's start with the fact that such boats must accompany the ship the entire time it is at sea! How do you imagine this ? 4-hour duty of Marines on 2 boats around the ship? Because now our ships are being sunk by several BECs. While 2 boats are trying to kill XNUMX BECs, the third one will calmly hit the ship, because fire cannot be fired from a ship, so as not to kill your own. Plus, most likely, the BECs, directly quickly controlled by satellite, will first blow up the defense boats, and only then calmly sink the ship. Only Ukrainian and Western fascists will be delighted by our war tactics: double damage. When, in the current situation, all the crews of the sunken ships survived and will continue to serve on some of our ships that were more useful in the war. - Well, with the other methods of countering BECs proposed above, the situation is no better. It’s good that any of our submarines remained absolutely invulnerable to any types and models of this new type of weapon - BECs. I think that when a turning point comes in the war, the BECs themselves will find themselves out of work. So far, there are only 2 feasible and effective methods to counter them:
      - off the coast - with powerful strategic electronic warfare means - suppression of their satellite control signal
      - far from the coast - urgently equipping all warships with anti-mine nets using a method that was successfully used back in the 1st World War and is now successfully used on all heavy land military equipment: https://topwar.ru/237786-o-sergee-kotove-v -poslednij-raz.html#
      And there is no need, as they say, to fence the garden...
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        9 March 2024 08: 47
        Are you talking about "paravans"? Metal, large mesh nets around the ship's hull. The net holders were attached to the ship's hull; the nets had a gap of several meters from the hull and went several meters under the water. The ship's speed practically did not decrease. The nets did not interfere with maneuvering, but at the same time protected the ship from mines and torpedoes.