The Partizan heavy transport drone, developed on the basis of the TVS-2DTS aircraft, made its first flight

The ultra-short take-off and landing heavy transport unmanned aerial vehicle "Partizan" has entered the flight testing stage. This was reported by the press service of the Siberian Research Institute aviation named after S. A. Chaplygin.

The Partizan heavy transport drone, developed by order of the Foundation for Advanced Research, took to the skies for the first time. Reportedly, the first flight of the UAV was carried out in manned mode for flight safety and recording flight data for subsequent training of the automatic control system. The Partizan demonstrator rose to a height of 200 meters and spent about 20 minutes in the sky, flying at various speeds.

As already reported, Partizan is an unmanned version of the TVS-2DTS aircraft. The drone being developed is capable of performing short takeoffs and landings, literally based on helipads. This capability is provided to the vehicle by additional eight propellers located on the lower wing and providing active airflow. This allows the aircraft to take off and land at low speed.

The maximum takeoff weight of the device is almost 3,4 tons. The drone will be able to deliver cargo weighing up to one ton over a distance of up to a thousand kilometers.

It is worth noting that the experience of creating drones Based on transport aircraft, China has it; they have long made a transport UAV capable of transferring cargo without the participation of a pilot from the Y-5 aircraft produced under license, which is a copy of the legendary Soviet An-2 aircraft.

Comments

[km-21]

This is a waste of money. The country needs a regular, good old corn farmer. Perhaps with a more modern engine, but quite cheap, unpretentious and widespread. And this expensive toy is only suitable for circus tricks. No one in their right mind would organize civil transportation without a normal runway 250 meters long. And if there is no such platform, then they use the Mi-8. Although this is more expensive, it is much more realistic than a vertical take-off corn truck.

[Anarchist]

Poshechki-Anushki are back in business... Biplanushki

[Vitaly.17]

Quote: km-21

This is a waste of money.

Especially when you consider that the basic version of TVS-2DTS was created on the basis of the American Honeywell TPE331-12UAN engine.
It seems they showed a similar development in Novosibirsk with an electric motor. I wonder where it went.

[mark1]

Quote: Vitaly.17

based on the American Honeywell TPE331-12UAN engine.

This engine has been ready to be localized for a long time; all issues except financial ones have been practically resolved

[Yujanin]

This is a waste of money.

For many years now, the Ketais have been using similar vehicles to transport cargo in the agricultural sector, and also use these aircraft to eliminate natural disasters.

[Valnik]

Retrograde approach..The country needs transport opportunities in Siberia and the Far East. There are not enough personnel in aviation, medicine, or construction. Robots are the future.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

This is a waste of money. The country needs a regular, good old corn farmer. Perhaps with a more modern engine, but quite cheap, unpretentious and widespread. And this expensive toy is only suitable for circus tricks. No one in their right mind would organize civil transportation without a normal runway 250 meters long. And if there is no such platform, then they use the Mi-8. Although this is more expensive, it is much more realistic than a vertical take-off corn truck.

Don't be surprised if you get downvoted. There is a whole sect of those who have a UAV brain. They are not capable of thinking critically.
And so you are right, it is the An-2 that is needed, and redesigned in the direction of making the design cheaper (though this does not fit into the modern principle, instead of mass-produced and cheap designs, create one-piece and expensive ones). Kerosene is now more expensive than gasoline. Because what is the point in a theater of operations that costs more than the entire An-2 combined, when there is the good old ASh-82, brought to perfection. And attempts to replace the archaic An-2 with something more advanced are akin to attempts to replace a shovel with an excavator where a shovel is most handy. Simply put, the An-2, in the form in which Antonov created it, fit perfectly into its “ecological niche.”

[valek97]

You are narrow-minded. Increasing production and the number of automated systems is much easier and cheaper than taking people out of thin air who will die, who need to be found, trained, and provided for. The law on unmanned aerial systems has been adopted and they are working, the issue of scalability has been resolved.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

You are narrow-minded. Increasing production and the number of automated systems is much easier and cheaper than taking people out of thin air who will die, who need to be found, trained, and provided for. The law on unmanned aerial systems has been adopted and they are working, the issue of scalability has been resolved.

Uekolobo think just like you, we need the An-2 for the endless expanses of Siberia, the North and the Far East. And there is a place for it in central Russia.

[km-21]

I haven't been surprised by anything here for a long time.
But anyway, thanks for your support and understanding.

[Vladimir_2U]

An interesting scheme, a kind of tiltrotor at minimum wages. I think that due to the auxiliary nuts they are electric and operate from a generator.

[Ross xnumx]

Tell me, what is this gadget for? In what industry can it be in demand for that kind of money?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ROSS 42

Tell me, what is this gadget for?

A ton per thousand km with landing on a football field of average compaction, if that tells you anything.

Quote: ROSS 42

In what industry can it be in demand for that kind of money?

Obviously, in the national economic sector, in the local air transport section. By the way, what kind are they for? I don’t think they’re huge. Such that they will not pay for the salary of at least one pilot.

[Aviator_]

It is obvious that in the national economic

Vladimir, for more than 30 years there has been no such industry in our country.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Aviator_

Vladimir, for more than 30 years there has been no such industry in our country.

Well, let it be in the economy, since it was torn away from the people by deception...
By the way, it’s funny, but it turned out that the Germans have a similar term in use, with all their Germany -

In German publications, the term Volkswirtschaft continues to be used, especially when it is necessary to emphasize that we are not talking about the economy in general, but about its system-forming material and technical base, especially about the sphere of material production.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Such that they will not pay for the salary of at least one pilot.

And what will pay off with the loss of cargo, the loss of a vehicle, and its search?
Do you provide a 100% guarantee of receiving the goods? Or - wherever it should be inserted, because it has already been done...
You may wonder how many places are left in Russia where he will need to fly?

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ROSS 42

And what will pay off with the loss of cargo, the loss of a vehicle, and its search?

It’s simply amazing... Small aircraft with crews never fought or disappeared! Yes? So what do you think?

Quote: ROSS 42

You may wonder how many places are left in Russia where he will need to fly?

In my Russia there are more than enough such places! I can’t even guess what Russia you are writing from.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

In my Russia there are more than enough such places!

Are you not one of those to whom EBN presented Russia in the 90s?
Stop talking nonsense!!!
In our Kemerovo region there are no people left in the villages... Neither state farms, nor collective farms... And the population has decreased by 1991 people since 600...
I love these claqueurs!!! How I love these cheers-patriots!!!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ROSS 42

Are you not one of those to whom EBN presented Russia in the 90s?
Stop talking nonsense!!!

A weak answer to a fair question, more like hysteria!

Quote: ROSS 42

It’s simply amazing... Small aircraft with crews never fought or disappeared! Yes? So what do you think?

Quote: ROSS 42

In our Kemerovo region there are no people left in the villages... Neither state farms, nor collective farms... And the population has decreased by 1991 people since 600...

Well, that’s it now, write off more than 100 million?

Quote: ROSS 42

I love these claqueurs!!! How I love these cheers-patriots!!!

In my opinion, the figures who are hysterical about drones are many times worse than the clackers, or anyone else. Insanity in its purest form.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well, that’s it now, write off more than 100 million?

No, the whole country will be hunched over Moscow and the Moscow region... There, for complete happiness, there is not enough high-speed railway... And that people in the regions are generally deprived of railway communications, water and gas supplies, electricity ( not to mention medical care) - I don’t give a damn... We love for Moscow to plump up by leaps and bounds...
Leave this conversation, I don’t like United Russia and everything connected with them.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: ROSS 42

No, the whole country will be hunched over Moscow and the Moscow region... There, for complete happiness, there is not enough high-speed railway... And that people in the regions are generally deprived of railway communications, water and gas supplies, electricity ( not to mention medical care) - I don’t give a damn... We love for Moscow to plump up by leaps and bounds...

So, in your opinion, a drone with a range of 1000 km was created strictly to serve Moscow?!
And, of course, there is nothing to take Navalny’s carcass out with.

[Mister X]

Quote: ROSS 42

In what industry can it be in demand?

Maybe the Ministry of Emergency Situations?

[Valnik]

Everywhere. Example. Olkhon Island is cut off from the mainland during the period of ice formation and melting. And people live there and they need a connection with the mainland. Sanitary flights, fire situation monitoring, cargo delivery to remote settlements, air taxi.

[Stas157]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

An interesting scheme, a kind of tiltrotor at minimum wages.

Well it is. It takes off and lands on its heels at a distance of 50 m. Any piece of road and even off-road. And it carries 1000 kg per 1000 km. Better than any helicopter. And there isn't even a pilot there.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Stas157

Better than any helicopter. And there isn't even a pilot there.

Well, the vertical ones will serve for a long time, and it’s a very interesting device, and much more reliable than even purely electric tiltrotors, KMK.

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

vertical ones will serve for a long time, and it’s a very interesting device, and much more reliable than even purely electric tiltrotors

In general, any tiltrotor is capable of landing at least on a barrel, and such a device, by definition, needs at least some mileage. How can you choose a landing site under this condition (run)? Without a run, by definition, only a tiltrotor and its special case, a helicopter, can land. By the way, I note that when landing any aircraft, it is still necessary to take into account the direction and speed of air masses near the ground. I very much suspect that such a problem falls into the category of unsolvable, although perhaps you have your own answer.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venaya

In general, any tiltrotor is capable of landing on a barrel, but such a device, by definition, needs at least some mileage.

How does this relate to reliability? For example, the failure of even one engine in a quad tiltrotor))) will most likely lead to a disaster, even if there is space for landing. But the biplane doesn't.

Quote: venaya

Without a run, by definition, only a tiltrotor and its special case, a helicopter, can land.

Absolutely true, but an area the size of a football field, even taking into account the necessary approaches for the V/P, is very cool.

Quote: venaya

By the way, I note that when landing any aircraft, it is still necessary to take into account the direction and speed of air masses near the ground.

You won’t believe it, but for vertical ones this must be taken into account even more carefully, if only because the main rotor is much more sensitive to the wind than the wing.

Quote: venaya

I very much suspect that such a problem falls into the category of unsolvable, although perhaps you have your own answer.

What task? Automatic landing of a plane or what?!

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

How does this relate to reliability? For example, the failure of even one engine in a quad tiltrotor))) will most likely lead to a disaster, even if there is space for landing. But the biplane doesn't.

Consider the option with the Tu-95, where even if even three of the 4 engines fail, the plane is able to crawl to the nearest alternate airfield. It’s the same with a quad tiltrotor, it’s also essentially an airplane, just with extras. The vertical take-off/landing capabilities are otherwise no different. And if three of the four engines of this quad tiltrotor also fail, it will be able to land not only at the nearest airfield, but also without any airfield at all, not only due to the lifting force of the wings but also additionally due to the large propellers spun in autorotation mode, as in gyroplanes and in case of emergency landing of helicopters. The reliability of such aircraft is higher than that of anyone else!

Quote: Vladimir_2U

for vertical ones, this must be taken into account even more carefully, if only because the main rotor is much more sensitive to the wind than the wing.

In the automatic landing mode, the influence of the near-Earth wind, and at least not all of the rotor from where it came from, is not dangerous because the presence of four propellers with individual control of each propeller and with instant automatic landing according to a predetermined landing algorithm cannot be compared with any other types of aircraft!

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venaya

The reliability of such aircraft is higher than that of anyone else!

Well, let’s say helicopters crash more often than airplanes, and tiltrotors crash more often (as a percentage, of course) than helicopters.

Quote: venaya

yes, at least not all of where the rotor came from

Quote: venaya

because the presence of four propellers with individual control of each propeller and with instant automatic landing according to a predetermined landing algorithm cannot be compared with any other types of aircraft!

And after these words, you doubt the impossibility of automatic landing of a biplane?!

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Well let's say Helicopters crash more often than airplanes, and tiltrotors are more often (in percentage terms) than helicopters.

Everything is true about helicopters and airplanes, but what does the Bell V-22 Osprey have to do with it? How many times have I already written here that this is a hyper crude machine and it cannot be referred to in any way in relation to tiltrotors in general. I’m writing here about a quad tiltrotor whose propellers are able to practically change the thrust vector to the opposite one. An airplane, much less a helicopter, cannot boast of such a degree of controllability due to the principle of helicopter control using only “Yuryev automatic machines.” And the Bell V-22 Osprey seems to have significantly less controllability in landing mode, that is, it is even more dangerous on landings. I was working on tiltrotors until July 11.07.2001, XNUMX, but then city air taxis were banned at the legislative level and everything went to dust. Today, quad-convertiplanes in terms of safety level are at an unattainable level in relation to any other types of aircraft.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

After these words, do you doubt the impossibility of automatic landing of a biplane?!

The use of this biplane has limited capabilities and is quite dangerous in an unmanned version, but this must be explained in great detail.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venaya

Today, quad-convertiplanes in terms of safety level are at an unattainable level in relation to any other types of aircraft.

I won’t argue, I myself consider tiltrotors to be a completely viable technology.

Quote: venaya

The use of this biplane has limited capabilities and is quite dangerous in an unmanned version, but this must be explained in great detail.

Quite dangerous - I don’t know, we need proof, at least briefly. A quad-convertiplane is safer - let’s assume. But with four swing motors and a battery, will it be cheaper and more economical, especially per ton and per thousand km?

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

quite dangerous - I don’t know, we need proof, at least briefly

Briefly: The take-off mode is really quite safe, the landing mode includes, albeit a small jog, during which the plane becomes almost very little controllable and is really safe only in ideal air conditions. Low-speed devices are very sensitive to any influences on them, air disturbances which are almost unavoidable, in short.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

But with four swing motors and a battery, will it be cheaper and more economical, especially per ton and per thousand km?

You should forget about the efficiency of a biplane for 1000 km; biplanes have few advantages; for example, the Polikarpov I-15 had high controllability. About " taking into account four rotary motors and a battery" - here I am completely perplexed .. Are rotary mechanisms a mandatory attribute for all tiltrotors? The number of their projects and implementations amazes any imagination, but people have constant associations only with the frankly unfinished Bell V-22 Osprey, which actually has huge and clearly awkward rotary mechanisms and the wings have a very low aerodynamic quality. For the economical transportation of a ton of cargo over 1000 km, a biplane is not suitable at all, there is a very low value of the aerodynamic quality of the wings, the lower wing openly slows down creating excessive resistance to the air environment strictly according to Bernoulli's law and does not participate in the creation of additional. lifting force In tiltrotors there are significantly fewer restrictions since the wings can be made with maximum aerodynamic quality as in sports gliders, there are also numerous other advantages.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venaya

but a run during which the plane becomes practically very uncontrollable

At 50 m of run these can be practically neglected. Because the main accident rate is due to running out of range.

Quote: venaya

You should forget about the efficiency of a biplane for 1000 km

compared to a monoplane! But a quad-convertible cannot be a monoplane; it is, in any case, a longitudinal biplane.

Quote: venaya

Are rotating mechanisms a mandatory attribute for all tiltrotors? the number of projects and implementations is amazing

Give an example! Where there is no mechanism for turning the wing or engine nacelle, or at least a mechanism for turning the propeller from horizontal to vertical position. Even the deflector flaps for creating vertical thrust are too large to neglect such a mechanism.

Quote: venaya

For the economical transportation of a ton of cargo over 1000 km, a biplane is not suitable at all, there is a very low value of the aerodynamic quality of the wings, the lower wing openly slows down creating excessive resistance to the air environment strictly according to Bernoulli’s law and does not participate in the creation of additional ones. lifting force.

This is where I doubted your competence, because it creates lift, where does strictly frontal resistance go, if there is a sufficient gap between the wings, of course. Well, once again, in addition to a thousand kilometers, there is also a ton and a limited landing area.
In general, to summarize for myself, the quad converter is good and safe (but everything is relative, since a battery fire is a death sentence), only purely electric and mainly for passenger transportation. The biplane of the proposed design is good because it runs on organic fuel (this is very important for autonomous operation), which is much cheaper than a quad-convert with similar characteristics, and, according to experience, the An-2 can fly for a thousand km, but more often for short distances with several landings. A drone for cargo, a manned version for passengers.

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

I doubted your competence, because it creates lift, where does the drag go, strictly frontal

Imagine - and how do I feel! In general, Bernoulli’s laws (I’m talking about the area of ​​the wetted surface) you completely rule out, which is a pity.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

At 50 m of run these can be practically neglected. Because the main accident rate is due to running out of range.

This is true for faster cars, they have their own problems. In this biplane, the run can be even less than 50 meters due to 8 additional. engines creating increased pressure under the lower wing, almost additional. air bag. In strong winds, it is possible to land without jogging at all. But at low landing speeds, on the contrary, the problems are greater due to the external influence of the rotors, just like the Bell V-22 Osprey.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

a quadconvert cannot be a monoplane; it is, by any measure, a longitudinal biplane.

There are countless possible options: An envelope with a duck aero design can also be called a biplane if desired, and even a classic, because it also has an additional one at the back. wing (albeit a wing).

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Give an example! Where there is no mechanism for turning the wing or engine nacelle

The very first vehicles were built according to this scheme back during the war until 1945. Here, I also jokingly described an option for converting the Ka-52 in my commentary dated February 9, 2024, this option is possible. And on a cargo quad, you can also rotate the entire body in flight, together with the engine. and screws. I repeat that there are really countless options. By order, you can create anything you want based simply on the laws of aerodynamics.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: venaya

In general, Bernoulli’s laws (I’m talking about the area of ​​the wetted surface) you completely rule out, which is a pity.

Sorry, but this value is small even compared to drag, and certainly does not prevent the second wing from creating lift.

Quote: venaya

The very first vehicles were built according to this scheme back during the war until 1945. Here, I also jokingly described an option for converting the Ka-52 in my commentary dated February 9, 2024, this option is possible.

In general, there are no tiltrotors without a very loaded turning mechanism.

Quote: venaya

And on a cargo quad, you can also rotate the entire body in flight, together with the engine. and screws.

And this is no longer a tiltrotor, but let’s say. It won’t even be manned, due to the inconvenience of piloting with your back down or the high cost of the seat’s gimbal. The Americans tried it. As an automatic truck, however, yes, but with restrictions on weight and horizontal alignment. flight. and loading.

[venaya]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

this value, even compared to the drag, is small, and certainly does not prevent the second wing from creating lift.

At high speeds, the second wing ceases to create additional lift; a biplane is the destiny of both low flight speeds and a decrease in speed during landing.

Quote: Vladimir_2U

This is no longer a tiltrotor, but let’s say. It won’t even be manned, due to the inconvenience of piloting with your back down or the high cost of the seat’s gimbal

The article is about a drone, why should the pilot be comfortable? For cargo - I agree, some kind of comfort is necessary, but the person will get by. On the other hand, why create complex mechanisms like those on the Bell V-22 Osprey? It is aerodynamically more advantageous to turn the propellers together with the main wing, then losses during takeoff will clearly decrease. Such projects exist. And the cargo compartment or passenger compartment can really be turned any way and anywhere. There were projects for completely detachable cabins so as not to waste extra time on boarding or loading; I repeat, there are so many projects that I can’t describe them all here. The only thing that matters is what exactly the customer needs. The range of possible applications of such aircraft is also unlimited by almost nothing other than aerodynamics.

[Ross xnumx]

I was always interested in the question: “For what?”
Couldn't atmospheric discharges of electricity or a thunderstorm affect the control of this transporter?
Wouldn't it be easier to make it a kamikaze drone? A ton of TNT falling from the sky in a single country will be a very good help...
Well, this is just thinking out loud...
* * *
I can’t believe the economic benefits of using such a device, and apparently there’s nowhere to put the money...

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

I was always interested in the question: “For what?”

If we keep in mind its direct purpose as a corn grower, i.e. processing fields with chemicals, then its unmanned version will be in great demand. Of course, if it is not “golden” in production. Remotorization of existing aircraft on the VK-800 with a major overhaul of the airframe, as the Chinese do, could support the number of flying maize crops for not very expensive. It won't work as a kamikaze. They will shoot him down from any weapon, incl. WWII times.

[AndreyKam_Z]

Hagen I completely agree with you, well, maybe now there are better options for cultivating fields, but we have vast expanses of Siberia and the Far East where the issue of cargo delivery is very acute because... helicopters are expensive, and other methods take a long time.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

Of course, if it is not “golden” in production.

Who told you that it won’t happen? You so diligently gave me minuses, as if it were not in Russia “Geranium - 2” is priced at $315...
Cheap medicines, the price of which is a ruble/bucket, manage to be sold for 120 - 148 rubles (different prices vary in different pharmacies). And then they decided to please the people...
What kind of salary do you intend to pay the operator? And then entrust the driver to the chairman of the collective farm?
Rent? Like renting electric scooters? Oh well...
And plans, plans...

I love the plans of our bulk ...

Deal with passenger planes and providing Russian citizens with flights at an affordable price. They were going to cultivate the fields... (From 6:30)

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

You so diligently gave me minuses

I don’t put any downsides on principle. You presented the wrong address About the price I said “if”, i.e. identified possible options. I put everything else out of brackets. There is no need to drive empty into empty debates.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Hagen

There is no need to drive empty into empty debates.

There is no need to raise the topic of the skin of an unkilled bear...
I'm tired of these stories from crypt Kremlin...

[hagen]

Quote: ROSS 42

I'm tired of these tales from the Kremlin crypt...

Have you tried taking a sedative?

[Al manah]

Couldn't atmospheric discharges of electricity or a thunderstorm affect the control of this transporter?

Yes, it seems like it’s customary to avoid thunderstorm fronts whenever possible, no?

[evgen1221]

In general, the topic is interesting. Not only needed for military service. In fact, when the technology is developed, any gamer and aviator will be able to easily make real flights from home to the north and wherever they need to go in general. They also talked about a car and a telephone with a steam locomotive, why is this necessary when there are horses.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: evgen1221

In fact, when the technology is developed, any gamer and aviator will be able to easily make real flights from home to the north and wherever they need to go in general.

Where will this gamer-aviator put this “guerrilla plane”? Will you park it in the yard? Where will the goods be taken? Who will be responsible for cargo delivery, loading and unloading?
It looks good in virtual life... In the one in which our government, our officials live. So today I heard from Putin about increasing incomes for health workers - about payments in addition to salaries. Since 2018, we have been waiting and not receiving the average salary in the region...And the same stories now...
I'm too old to believe in fairy tales...
If they do it, I’ll believe it... this chatter about “at times”, “percentages” is for those who don’t know the rules of mathematics...

[evgen1221]

But nothing will change at the airfield, as well as in logistics. It will just be possible to hire a pilot online and not have to wait until he gets to a remote airfield. You got the minus right

[unhappy]

An intermediate option is needed - an autonomous vehicle control system and one small and light pilot for reliability and possibly takeoff and landing mode.

[Dutchman Michel]

Quote: unhappy

one small and light pilot for reliability and possibly takeoff and landing mode.

The pilot will require the creation of a life support and protection system. It will require at least some kind of weapons and light armor, which will negate the whole idea of ​​such a machine.

[AndreyKam_Z]

one small and light pilot

Will the parameters be close to jockeys? No higher than 150-170 cm, no heavier than 50 kg?

[unhappy]

Exactly, it’s like during selection for cosmonauts (first detachment). I saw a tougher version in Japanese anime (the girls are trained from elementary school and weigh no more than 45 kilograms).

[rocket757]

Corn grower, old man... reliability and simplicity are a plus.
Big, clumsy, that's not a plus.
As a simple, cheap vehicle, this is understandable... it can sit on any flat surface and deliver quite a lot of cargo, the most necessary things, to evacuate whoever is needed.
In general, the idea is quite useful if everything is done as it should be.

[Uncle_Misha]

Interestingly, are TVS-2DTS aircraft even produced in Russia? If yes, then to what extent. The Internet suggests that no, but perhaps I didn’t look well. If not, then why make a drone based on something that doesn’t exist?

[Romanenko]

The TVS-2DTS has one unpleasant point - the engine is American.
What did you decide about this?
After all, an airplane is not an airplane without an engine. And when we have an analogue of the engine that was installed on the Annushka An-3 and TVS-2DTS variants, I think we won’t have any problems bolting it to the engine. Arkhip Lyulka said that with a good engine the fence will fly.

[km-21]

Local commentators attack any shiny trinket like savages.
And they resentfully downvote if someone tries to criticize their wild fantasies.

[AndreyKam_Z]

Local commentators attack any shiny trinket like savages.

Well, if you only have enough for insults, without any conclusions, then keep the minus. Without any offense towards the flawed.

[zloybond]

And the country is still waiting for the mass production of small aircraft... and here are all the developments, projects, stories about this...

[EvilCommunist]

Obviously, these are “rear support personnel” for faster logistics and delivery of cargo to LBS or between units, including with the aim of minimizing the risk to the lives of pilots ... for military transport aviation such “legs” are very very, up to 1 ton BC, this is a normal fit...

[EvilCommunist]

If only there was a system for dumping cargo, they would organize some kind of cargo release system in the cabin, something like rails or make the bottom a “book” ala bomb hatch, I hope the idea is clear......, so that there would be no need to land on the receiving side at all, but purely ,
took off => flew => dropped => flew back....
Structurally, minor changes in the case, a system of suspensions and a pair of microcontrollers for their control (mechanism for opening, closing the case and relieving the load)

[Netl]

so that there is no need to sit down on the receiving side at all, but cleanly,
took off => flew => dropped

Some kind of bomber is obtained, following the development of your thoughts. Add more AI to him so that the electronic warfare does not extinguish him and forward to the LBS.

As in the joke, no matter how they tried to make a peaceful tractor in the USSR, but after production, it always turns the gun towards the potential enemy.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And this is also presented as an achievement... at the same time, the limit of the capabilities of the capitalist Russian Federation.
And in the USSR, of course, they only made galoshes.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

is presented as an achievement... at the same time, the limit of the capabilities of the capitalist Russian Federation

I’m embarrassed to ask, where did you notice that the drone under discussion is presented as an achievement and the limit of capabilities?
Somehow it looks like a woman: she came up with it herself, she answered it herself, she was offended herself.

And for our achievements we are given a heavy UAV S-70 “Okhotnik”, which, according to rumors, has already been bombed somewhere in Ukraine. But even about him they don’t say that this is the limit of possibilities.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I’m embarrassed to ask, where did you notice that the drone under discussion is presented as an achievement and the limit of capabilities?
Somehow it looks like a woman: she came up with it herself, she answered it herself, she was offended herself.

And for our achievements we are given a heavy UAV S-70 “Okhotnik”, which, according to rumors, has already been bombed somewhere in Ukraine. But even about him they don’t say that this is the limit of possibilities.

It’s just you who are behaving like a woman, buying into a beautiful wrapper and not trying to think about it.

The S-70 Okhotnik UAV is the same crap as the TVS-2DTS. Because both of these projects have only one goal, cutting the military budget and that’s it. The combat effectiveness of these crafts is close to zero at an exorbitant price.
Meanwhile, when full-fledged aviation support for ground forces requires massive and relatively inexpensive airplanes and helicopters.
Pin pricks will not solve this problem.
Or do you believe in the fairy tales about “invisibility” that arms manufacturers have been spreading around for so many years through the media. So, it literally does not exist at all. For the plane does not fly in a vacuum, but in the air. And during the flight, it swirls this air, compacts it, ionizes it.
What makes radio waves reflect beautifully? (Whoever has been involved in flight management knows how many headaches are created by atmospheric vortices that move quite quickly.)
And there's nothing you can do about it.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

you buy into a beautiful wrapper and don’t try to think about it

Well, here you go again, you came up with a bunch of nonsense that I didn’t say a single word about, attributed them to me, and then brilliantly refuted them.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Well, here you go again, you came up with a bunch of nonsense that I didn’t say a single word about, attributed them to me, and then brilliantly refuted them.

What are you saying, weren’t you the one who called the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV an achievement?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

weren’t you the ones who called the S-70 “Okhotnik” UAV an achievement?

No, I wrote that we call “Hunter” an achievement, and you yourself called the device mentioned in the news an achievement. And they compared it with Buran. Although the idea of ​​reusable aircraft-type spacecraft is also not the most successful, as it turned out. And if she appeared now, many would also shout about cutting.
Try, however, to understand what is written as a whole, do not attack individual keywords.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Does this somehow negate the fact that you included the S-70 UAV in your achievements?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

This somehow cancels the fact that you added the S-70 UAV to your achievements

If you take my advice and try to understand what I wrote, you will notice the obvious: I did not call the S-70 an achievement. I said that’s what we called him. But the device mentioned in the news was not named, contrary to your opinion and subsequent pathos.
Therefore, yes, what I wrote cancels what you imagined...

[Maxim G]

A Yak-500 can drop a 130 kg bomb, what’s unusual about that?

[nordscout]

One of the commentators is right when he called the “brain UAV” an epidemic of “madness” on unmanned moving objects... I will express a certain amount of skepticism regarding the attempts of domestic “skulls” to make an unmanned version of the TVS-2DTS... This device has not yet been “delivered” on the wing" in Russia, did not fly in hard-to-reach areas, for frank and honest statistics, with the crew, but they are already "trying" to make something out of it.... All these "dances with a tambourine" around the TVS-2DTS are very reminiscent another attempt by “financial experts” from aviation officials to organize another “cut” of budget money under the plausible pretext of developing the air ocean in the interests of a non-national economy... And we should have looked back at China earlier, when they were “starting” perestroika and “escape” “from the notorious “scoop”... They fled to the “bright capitalist future” so that the jacket was wrapped on the back... They lost almost everything along the way and now we have to master everything and create it anew or look for answers on the dusty shelves in archives of the USSR... I think that TVS-2DTS, in an unmanned version, is a dead-end branch of the further development of this device, especially its use in military rear operations with the current development of MANPADS and electronic warfare systems...

[AndreyKam_Z]

This device has not yet been “put on the wing” in Russia, has not flown in hard-to-reach areas, for frank and honest statistics, with a crew, but they are already “trying” to make something out of it

Your skepticism is understandable, but when a company enters the market, it is already developing various options for its use in advance. This is advertising; a potential customer, considering different options, will make a choice based on his preferences. There will be no orders and the program will be closed, but the experience and developments will remain. Although I think that the UAV option has a right to life.

[Uncle_Misha]

Options for using corn cracker have long been known; nothing new can be invented here. The drone is certainly interesting, but better a little later. Now there are not enough simple airplanes, but here we have carbon fiber, a cool engine and an unmanned version. As they say, will the mug not crack? True, there is information that the oil industry ordered a new plane, there is a lot of money, so the plane is likely to be.

[AndreyKam_Z]

The drone is certainly interesting, but better a little later. Now there are not enough simple airplanes, but here we have carbon fiber, a cool engine and an unmanned version.

Why wait? Now plastic is not much more expensive than aluminum, and there is also a pilot option. Of course, they screwed up with the engine, but here, at least with or without a pilot.
There are also not enough passenger cars, but I hope you won’t propose to revive Zaporozhets, VAZs, etc.?

[Uncle_Misha]

In the situation in which the country now finds itself, there is no time for fat. We need a simple, inexpensive and reliable aircraft that we are able to produce, and the maize plant was like that. There were thousands of aircraft, there are hundreds left, this is the reality. Regarding resuscitation. I have a Minsk motorcycle, an ideal car for trips to the river and the forest. Service during the season takes an hour and a half and I wouldn’t exchange it for any Chinese. I, like the country, need a taxi and not checkers

[AndreyKam_Z]

The situation in which the country now finds itself is not up to the task. We need a simple, inexpensive and reliable aircraft that we are able to produce, and the maize truck was just that.

I agree, but why go backwards, restoring an ancient, unsafe and uneconomical corn farm? If there was still a base for its production and support, I might agree, but there is none.
I think the comparison of mokiks is not correct: modern ones are not much different from Minsk due to their simplicity, but the more complex technology here makes a big difference.

[Uncle_Misha]

You're right . The maize plant is outdated, although it copes with the assigned tasks. The problem seems to be different, but what is the need for new aircraft? How many should they be produced per year? And who will buy them? In what time frame will the production pay for itself and what will be the manufacturer’s profit? These are the key questions. Making a new aircraft of this class is not a problem; many similar ones are already flying around the world.

[AndreyKam_Z]

The problem seems to be different, but what is the need for new aircraft? How many should they be produced per year? And who will buy them? In what time frame will the production pay for itself and what will be the manufacturer’s profit? Here are the key questions

Well, what's the problem? The design bureau has developed a new aircraft, will now test it in the sky, and based on this, an economic feasibility study will be prepared. The project will be of interest to the private owner in several copies, which will be collected at the institute. If large companies are interested, or even more so, the state will decide on the allocation of production space.

[Uncle_Misha]

The key word is the state. It is it that will pay for the banquet. With airplanes, everything is not so simple, certification is needed, new technical personnel are needed, airfields in the end. A private owner, if he is not Rosneft, will this be possible?

[AndreyKam_Z]

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A private owner, if he is not Rosneft, will this be acceptable?

If it makes sense, he will do it. There is now a fairly wide fleet of Robinson-type helicopters and Cessna-type aircraft. Now they have problems with service, they may become a competitor.

[Uncle_Misha]

If there is a profit, then yes, a private owner will be interested in the plane. Now is a different time, a different country, different approaches, profit comes first no matter what they say. At the moment there is actually no plane, when it will be is unknown. Let's return to this topic in a year and see what has changed, and most importantly, who will pay for the banquet

[nordscout]

Dear AndreyKam_Z! This aircraft does not have a domestic “engine” with the addition of the word “actually”... And any sane potential customer understands that this aircraft in any of its incarnations (piloted or unmanned) flies off before the first repair, and then - “for fun” i.e. “money down the drain”... That’s why I’m writing about an attempt to potentially “cut” budget money and put it into bottomless bureaucratic pockets, and the TVS-2DTS plane is a good and timely reason....

[AndreyKam_Z]

This aircraft does not have a domestic “engine” with the addition of the word “actually”...

Two hands in favor. But let's not judge harshly. The aircraft was developed when these problems were not on the horizon. I hope they create a motor for it.
We really need small aviation aircraft, and rather than investing in an extremely outdated maize machine, it is better to invest in new developments.

[Aleksandr58]

How long can you bend your fingers?! For dozens of years they have been promising to launch production of an aircraft to replace the AN-2, but things are still there. They would release a major series, and then they would sing songs about the drone, Manilovs!