Where will friendship with China take us?

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Where will friendship with China take us?


"When a person does not know
to which pier he is heading,
no wind for him
will not be favorable.”

Seneca



“Russia has only two allies -
its army and navy."

Alexander III

Does Russia have national interests? Turns to the West, now to the East: foreign manufacturers are enriching themselves, ours are losing orders. Why did Boris Yeltsin destroy the remnants of the USSR industry? Why does a sovereign country need any orientation? Maybe it's time for us to turn to ourselves? Isn’t this what Alexander III spoke about, instilling fear in all of Europe, that we have no allies except the army and fleet?

Turning to the East: is it possible to close losses?



Russia has lost the European energy market and “turning to the East” cannot compensate for it.

Here are the Federal Customs Service data: our foreign trade balance for January–November 2023 decreased to $126,9 billion from $310,1 billion for the same period in 2022. Russian exports during this period decreased by 40% – to $385,9 billion from $538,1 billion. Russian gas supplies abroad over the 11 months of 2023 decreased in physical volume by 34% in annual terms, revenue from Russian gas supplies year-on-year decreased by 69%, and oil by 7%. Added to this is the problem of settlements with India, whose rupees we do not need because of their illiquidity.

What are the consequences of the “reversal”? In order to help exporters and the budget, the ruble was devalued in the second half of 2023 by approximately 30%, which led to the Bank of Russia raising the rate to 16%, which will reduce the GDP growth rate in 2024 to the usual 1,0–1,5%. In turn, inflation increased, hitting the growth of household incomes. According to the Central Bank, inflation in the Russian Federation in 2023 is 7,42%. According to FU associate professor estimates, it is 25–30%. According to calculations by the Romir company, inflation from March 2022 to October 2023 is 48%.

China is a very conservative and cunning trading partner: understanding our weaknesses, it demands discounts from us for gas, not at all supporting the expansion of gas flow from us and not wanting to participate in investments in the construction of gas pipelines to its territory.

The issue of the Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline was on the agenda during the president’s visit to the Celestial Empire in September 2023 and was never resolved, but an agreement was signed on additional volumes of gas pumping for 2023 through the Power of Siberia-1.

As Kommersant writes, as a result of a sharp drop in revenue from gas exports against the backdrop of rising costs and capital investments, Gazprom’s gas business turned out to be unprofitable in the first half of 2023. According to RAS, the net loss of the parent company in the first half of the year amounted to 255 billion rubles against a profit of 996 billion rubles for the same previous period. The revenue of PJSC Gazprom itself fell by 65%, to 2,74 trillion rubles, including revenue directly from gas sales fell 2,1 times, to 1,7 trillion rubles. According to Kommersant and a number of other experts, the price of gas in China could be about $309 per 1 thousand cubic meters, i.e. much lower than in the EU.

Full loading of “Power of Siberia-1” of 38 billion cubic meters is planned for 2027, the cost of the project is about 1,1 trillion rubles. According to Gazprombank estimates, the payback period is 10–15 years.

According to Forbes experts, a turn to the East will not replace the loss of the European gas market, which, including Turkey, provided 150–180 billion cubic meters. m, and sometimes up to 200 billion cubic meters. m. export. In 2023, only half of the supply remains via the pipeline through Ukraine and Blue Stream through Turkey, which cannot provide more than 60 billion cubic meters. m. Both pipes to China (Power of Siberia-1 and 2) can provide about 60 billion cubic meters. m subject to full load.

Power of Siberia-2 will take at least 10 years to build, and investments could amount to $55 billion. According to the plan, Gazprom should reach payback in 2048.

Almost all the proceeds from the sale of gas went to pay for the import of Chinese cars - $11,5 billion, which, judging by the prices, we clearly did not get as cheaply as our gas.

At the same time, the Chinese economy is slowing down, and the possibility of a crisis cannot be ruled out. And what will happen then?

The key question: what will happen to the ruble exchange rate and the Central Bank rate a couple of months after the elections?

Unequal exchange: we are raw materials for them - they are finished goods for us


Trade turnover between China and Russia in 2022 amounted to $190 billion, an increase of 29% compared to 2021. In 2023, trade turnover grew by 26,3% to $240,11 billion, a record.

According to the General Administration of Customs of the PRC for 2022, about 92,8% of our exports to the PRC are ordinary raw materials - mineral fuels, ores, metals, wood, etc.


Conversely: imports from China – over 90% – are value-added products. As one Russian businessman stated:

“China welcomes everything related to the supply of gas, wood or metals, immediately solving organizational issues. Other business in the trade sector has not progressed for years.”


Let us quote a memorandum from the Spanish Minister of Finance, Luis Ortiz, a famous 16th-century economist, who warned his ruling class about the decline of the empire, which eventually succumbed to industrial England, to King Philip II:

“From the raw materials of Spain and the West Indies... which they buy for just one florin, the foreigners produce finished goods, which they then sell back to Spain for between ten and one hundred florins... buying back their own raw materials from the foreigners at exorbitant prices, The Spaniards are becoming the laughing stock of all Europe.”

Friendship with China: what the West did not achieve, China will achieve



After the start of the SVO, the situation changed radically; sanctions deprived us of traditional imports, on which we had been dependent since the 90s. Switching to suppliers from China seemed like an obvious step. But we step on the same rake, not developing our own, but again and again buying someone else’s. They started producing something, but it’s not mainstream. I. Stalin, perfectly understanding the essence of capitalism, refused to buy finished products in the USA during industrialization: he bought technologies and factories. But this is precisely what we categorically do not want to do.

Can Chinese cars replace European ones? Do we even need our own car production?

You can recognize our orientation by the cars on the streets. This is ridiculous for a great power that, in 33 years of market conditions, has not been able to establish mass production of its own cars, although we have good developments - for example, Vesta. In the 2000s, we were “friends” with the USA - Fords roamed our streets, where are they now? Then Skodas and Volkswagens knew the main place. And now 2 years - and the main thing you can see is China.

According to RBC, thanks to Russia, China has become a world leader in the production and export of cars. Exports of Chinese cars to Russia in 2023 increased almost sevenfold, increasing from $1,6 billion in 2022 to $11,5 billion. Over the 11 months of 2023, we received 841 thousand cars, including cars, trucks and buses. The share of Chinese cars in Russian auto imports increased from 10% in 2021 to 92% in 2023.

Have we received discounts on cars from China?

In September-October, the average price for a car in Russia is about 3 million rubles, and cars from China of a similar type are 3,4 million rubles. Their cars look expensive: maybe they look no worse than European ones, but for now it’s a pig in a poke, how will they show themselves after 3-5 years of operation? Everyone remembers very well what happened to their cheaper predecessors. This is despite the fact that five years ago you could buy an average European car for 1,5 million. A devaluation of 30% for 2022 plays a role, but still. As of December 2023, car dealers began to overstock their warehouses with Chinese cars - about 175 thousand cars had accumulated.

Let us recall that in a similar situation after the 1998 crisis, Primakov’s government was able to increase industrial output, including cars. Our factories cannot produce normal cars at a price of 1–2 million that we could buy?

The Moskvich plant, which began assembling Chinese models instead of its own, is a wonderful symbol of our industrial policy. Cars at the offered price were not in demand. According to the plant’s reporting, for 2022 it received a loss of 2,4 billion rubles, and revenue for 2022 was 42,6 billion rubles, having decreased over the year from 155,1 billion.
With reference to Interfax there is newsthat Russian factories have decided to reduce car production volumes. In the fourth quarter of 2023, capacity utilization in the Samara, Ulyanovsk and Nizhny Novgorod regions, where the largest plants are located, decreased for the first time in 1,5 years.

Our automotive industry is in a problematic situation. After the departure of Western companies, factories were closed, mothballed, and there was a shortage of components. A reversal could lead to the fact that what the West did not finish off, China will finally finish off.

As MK writes: “China is attacking: instead of import substitution, Russia has become even more dependent on imports. “Chinese partners” are dumping and ruining the last mammoths of domestic mechanical engineering.”

As an engineer at the Ust-Srednekanskaya HPP said: “If earlier circuit breakers were supplied by the Swiss concern ABB, now they are supplied by the Chinese Rockwill; previously, video surveillance cameras were purchased from Bosch, now from Hiseeu,” says the expert. “If we talk about complex electronics for an advanced Russian enterprise, then it is entirely Chinese - we simply have no analogues.”

But the main question is different: China has become a world leader because their authorities create the most competitive conditions for their industry, while ours, together with the Central Bank, are doing everything to make it unprofitable for us to produce ours.

China and Russia have changed


Once upon a time, Russia was the elder brother for China, they looked in our mouths, admired the power of the USSR, we helped the PRC in the military field, also building the foundations of industry and heavy industry in the PRC.

The average rate of economic development in Russia for the period from 1992 to 2023 was only 0,89%; for the comparable period, China, whose GDP in 1980 was only (!) 39% of Russia’s, has now overtaken the US economy in terms of PPP, ranking in In 2022, first place, and we are in 5th place, with a GDP approximately 5,6 times less.

Life and infrastructure in Russia have improved, but all this time we have been practically marking time. At the end of 2022, the excess of Russia’s GDP level over the 1991 figure was only 30%. Over the same period, China's GDP grew 14,5 times! During the same time, US GDP increased almost 4 times from 5 to 963,1 billion dollars.

Now everything has changed: we are asking the PRC to expand gas purchases, all our cooperation is connected mainly with raw materials projects, in order to appease our neighbor, we are opening all markets to him, switching to his cars, leasing huge territories and allowing him to rule on our land . Both the rapid development of the PRC and our degradation of raw materials are in many ways the fruit of the no less rapid activity of the United States, which initially developed the PRC as an anti-Soviet and industrial project, and us only as a raw material project.

What is the difference between Russia and China?


If our liberals copied and carried out everything that Washington told them, then China initially used Keynesian approaches and the experience of the USSR in the economy. China, like the USA, knows how to play chess - we do not understand this game. China's pragmatism was so high that they probably initially fooled the United States: the United States thought to leave China in its harness like silent Europe and Japan, but the Celestial Empire has a completely different national philosophy.

In fact, the PRC supported Washington’s “anti-Soviet game” in 1978, but they only needed technology and sales markets from the United States. Copying technology - yes. Eastern cunning, cunning? Yes. “Chinese politics is an endless path of cunning” (Sun Tzu, Chinese politician of the XNUMXth century BC). And the fact that the United States exists at the expense of the whole world is also a fact. And China openly hints at this.

The Minsk agreements, the Istanbul and Kherson maneuvers, the grain deal show that it is possible and even necessary to “bargain” with us. Such things do not happen with China. The PRC has its own interests in Ukraine: China is the largest buyer of Ukrainian grain. And although there is no longer a deal, the “grain corridor” exists. We are playing along with both Turkey and China.

Despite its dependence on the United States, China is quite strict in its reluctance to carry out anyone’s will. China, in response to increasing customs duties on Chinese products, countered by increasing tariffs on imports from the United States. We did not use symmetrical measures against the West and Western companies.

This is because the leaders of the PRC are wise, they do not listen to the mantras of Western economists, they have learned the essence of things and do not need anyone’s advice, and the country is rich, has a strong army, a huge population, and many countries, including the United States, are already dependent on from them.

China has far surpassed not only its former “big brother” Russia, but also made the United States its patron, taking first place in the ranking of the world's largest economies by PPP in 2022.

What have we achieved? "Lethargic sleep"?

China and Russia: what unites us?


Russia and China are not “friends” and certainly not allies, but the countries’ relations with the United States are pushing us into each other’s arms, although they have an insoluble contradiction in their depths in the form of Chinese lands annexed to Russia by Alexander II.

China was initially critical of the West when we blindly followed it to the slaughter. But the reality of NATO’s encirclement and the Ukrainian setup also forced Russia to adhere to principle, at least in international politics, although we were previously dictated to the mantra that we have no differences in economic ideology with the West.

We and the PRC have a common socialist past, and this is also a factor. What Russia and China have in common is that they both recognize the depravity of America's global rule - and this is much more than it might seem.

Yes, China does not clearly support us, does not recognize Crimea and emphasizes, especially for the United States (and this is true), that there is no alliance between us. But China offers plans to resolve the conflict and meets us halfway in ensuring exports and imports and the current conditions against the backdrop of the EU, albeit against the backdrop of falling US trade, and this is a huge help. And China is far from India, which is making deals with the United States, with which it is clearly not interesting to trade in useless rupees.

The Wall Street Journal writes that Chinese representative Li Hui, during his visit to Europe, said: “The Chinese envoy referred to the PRC peace plan, which contains a clear message: US allies in Europe must demonstrate their independence and demand an immediate ceasefire, leaving new ones for Russia territory."

Recently, China's permanent representative to the UN, Zhang Jun, called on the United States to stop supplies weapons Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) and make efforts to start a dialogue for the sake of concluding a lasting peace, unattainable through sanctions and escalation of the situation.

The US has repeatedly said that Russia and China have violated the “rules-based international order.” There are four main countries of this kind in the world: Russia, Iran, China and North Korea - and it is this bloc that gravitates towards each other, despite completely different religious and cultural concepts. Russia and China, although not an alliance, are a real restraining force that prevents US hegemony from developing to its full potential.

Is a weak Russia beneficial for Beijing?


Russia proceeds from a completely rational concept that the PRC has no other way than to support us - if the United States “deals” with us, then they will do it alone with the PRC. At the same time, the West’s nightmare is the reality of our union.

According to Andrzej Lomanowski (Rzeczpospolita):

“Russia hopes that China will support it in the conflict with NATO, but it is primarily interested in gas. It is beneficial for Beijing that Moscow’s conflict with the West... weakens it, forcing it to cooperate with it on its terms. However, the West is openly afraid of a military alliance between Russia and China.”

Another opinion is expressed by Holly Elliat (CNBC, USA):

“Relations between Russia and China can be compared to a search for a middle ground. Beijing wants Russia to be both not too strong and unable to challenge it, and not too weak, since in this case China will be alone with the West.”

Kirill Kotkov, head of the St. Petersburg Center for the Study of Far Eastern Countries, also believes:

“China needs a weak Russia, but weak to certain limits...” In another interview, he said: “Is it beneficial for China to weaken Russia? - Yes, definitely. – What do the Chinese want from Russia? “China wants Russia to be economically, and subsequently politically, as tied to China as possible.”

According to political scientist Ivan Mezokho:

“We must face the truth and say that Russia and China do not have fraternal relations. But recently, in recent years and decades, they have developed genuine partnerships based on mutually beneficial economic and political cooperation... China today, in its statements, is trying to be so balanced as not to spoil relations with Russia, and this is already a lot.”

But from a global perspective, the weakening of Russia is certainly beneficial for the overpopulated PRC, since it will be easier for it to seize part of its “historically” lands near the Far Eastern border.

So what will happen tomorrow?



Neither Russia nor China were interested in complicating relations with the United States. The Russian elite still does not understand the impossibility of returning 20 years ago and categorically does not want to use the current situation to finally “disengage” and strengthen itself, following the path of the USSR. They still call the West "partners." They benefit from “sleeping Russia,” which could be used as a “cash cow” without making titanic efforts to develop the country.

Russia should value cooperation with China, although they do not clearly support us on many controversial issues, but they tend to offer more rational solutions to them than the West. Comrade Xi Jinping also treats us personally quite normally because he belongs to the older generation, which remembers our relationship. However, if he is replaced by a younger politician, which is inevitable in the future, the pragmatic position of the PRC may go the other way.

The saddest thing is that Russia is choosing the same peripheral model in relations with China as with the West. We are a raw material appendage and a sales market for the Celestial Empire. Cooperation with China will not give us any development, just like with the West. China has almost all the technology, but clearly does not remember that the basis of their industry was built by the USSR.

To bring our relations to a new level, Russia needs to make a turn neither to the West nor to the East, but to itself, its native, beloved and dear mother. And when the PRC understands that Russia is as serious as the USSR, our relations will move to a different plane.

Stop walking around with your hand outstretched and asking for investment, imports and technology. It's time to surprise the whole world with the fact that we can do everything ourselves and much better. And Rosatom, the world leader in the most high-tech industry, shows what we can be. But they don't give it to us. And everyone knows perfectly well who these people are by name.

In the conditions of overpopulation of the PRC and the inevitable growth of nationalism, the main issue for them is the return of their former territories in the Far East, which were ceded to us during the time of Alexander II under the Aigun Treaty with China - an agreement between the Russian Empire and the Qing Empire, signed in 1858. This treaty established new borders in the Amur region and Primorye (Ussuri region). And in 1860, the Treaty of Beijing was concluded, confirming the Aigun and Tianjin treaties and finally defining the eastern border between the possessions of Russia and China. In other words, these lands for the PRC are the same as what we “slaughtered” for Ukraine during Lenin’s time.


And this is the most dead-end issue in our relations, which is now trying to be resolved by leasing land that we cannot help but develop and populate due to the decline of our civilization.

Thus, the Chinese state “Cartographic Service of Standard Maps” released new officially approved maps of the PRC for 2023, on which part of the territories of Russia is marked as part of China.

Russians are not Chinese, we want to save the world, and have saved it more than once, but they only want to benefit from it. Our problem is that our elites do not want the development of their country, because all this will deprive them of power. They use her as a cash cow. Hence our extinction and marking time.

Epilogue: does Russia have its own national interests or is Gaidar again and always with us?



Do we have our own national interests? Or do we have nothing more important than the interests of big business and oligarchs, who have not been seen in their desire to develop the country and improve the lives of its people? Or is the main thing – the export of capital, the growth in the number of billionaires and the interests of our “partners”?

The ongoing arguments that we do not need to “replace everything” and we can close our “holes” with imports from so-called “friendly” countries, believing that ours will be “expensive”, do not stand up to criticism.

They say Mr. Kovalchuk is an adviser to the president. Let's listen to what he says:

“Economy and politics have always, from the very beginning of civilization, been determined by technology... today the colonization that existed in earlier centuries has been replaced by technological enslavement.”

Parasitism and passivity are the national disease of our elites, raised in the vicious field of serfdom - which only Peter I and Joseph Stalin could cure. The situation is such that fate may send us a new “innovator” who will make a new “big leap”. A forecast of why this is so is given in the work “2024–2025: Should We Expect Changes?” The problem is not with our “partners”, but with us – our elite.

Why should we make cars when we can buy them in China? Remember the winged:

“Who needs your shitty machines?! If you need it, we will buy everything abroad.”

Or why can’t we launch mass production of our own aircraft – is there anyway for this? Because our elite are the faithful disciples of Gaidar and Yeltsin, and there is nothing new under our sun yet.
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  1. -33
    26 February 2024 03: 17
    “Do we have our own national interests? "—

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    - Eat! ...
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    1. +14
      26 February 2024 06: 25
      China, like the USA, knows how to play chess - we do not understand this game.

      9 world champions (out of 17) in chess were from Russia and the USSR...
      But I don’t know a single representative of the authorities - the authors of multi-move games - who have played this game in public at least once... Hockey, tennis...
      By the way, about Botvinnik:

      Every country has national interests, and without them the state cannot exist. But when selfishness, private proprietary interests, lack of ideas, lack of spirituality, window dressing, bragging, chatter begin to prevail in politics, what happens is what has matured in Russia.
      And the point here is not how many more years Putin will stay in power, but what methods he (or anyone else) is going to govern the country...
      * * *
      For Russia, China is a random fellow traveler from whom it is useless to expect love and friendship. The same can be said about Turkey. Double-dealers pursuing their own interests...
      Without political will, without a firm hand in power, degradation awaits us, no matter how the guarantors and proteges of our great master of multi-steps describe the successes, the results of which no one will notice in the near future.
      1. +2
        26 February 2024 07: 34
        Ay, not good, Yuri Vasilyevich!
        But what about “Lenin playing chess at Gorky’s house” - the most famous photo?!
        By the way, chess players are weak as politicians because they use only standard moves, and therefore are predictable for all kinds of “partners”.
        1. +15
          26 February 2024 08: 14
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          chess players are as weak as politicians

          Either way - a judoka! wink
          1. fiv
            +3
            26 February 2024 12: 09
            Well, Kasparov is not that either...
          2. man
            +1
            1 March 2024 16: 17
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: Victor Leningradets
            chess players are as weak as politicians

            Either way - a judoka! wink

            Let's be fair, the world record for cretinism was set by a volleyball player. Even tennis didn't help
          3. 0
            1 March 2024 16: 28
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Either way - a judoka!

            I don’t remember a single really great statesman who was interested in any kind of sport. Churchill, for example, preferred cognac. Stalin spent all his free time reading books. Peter, when he wanted to take his mind off chopping heads, turned.
        2. +5
          26 February 2024 08: 21
          Quote: Victor Leningradets
          But what about “Lenin playing chess at Gorky’s house” - the most famous photo?!

          The concept “authors of multiple moves” does not apply to Lenin.
          The conversation is about figures of the 90s and 2000s...
    2. +9
      26 February 2024 07: 55
      The capitalist DOES NOT have national interests. He only has his own, personal ones. And the bankrupt capitalist has none, literally - AT ALL
      1. -2
        26 February 2024 08: 06
        “The capitalist has NO national interests” -

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        - “There is no crime that capital will not commit for the sake of a profit of 300%” ...
        (Thomas Joseph Dunning)
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        1. +6
          26 February 2024 08: 08
          That’s right. Even a crime against national interests...
      2. +3
        26 February 2024 10: 00
        It is clear that “the capitalist has NO national interests.” But if the state at least sometimes starts shooting at its “capitalists” (as is done in China), in order to hammer it into their heads, there are also the interests of the State. Something may change.
        1. AAK
          +1
          26 February 2024 14: 18
          And who will shoot the “evil rich Pinocchios” who do not recognize state interests - good Uncle Leopold? So he has been “in the pocket” of Ankla Si for a long time...
    3. +3
      26 February 2024 08: 44
      (Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov)
      Now you will pick up the minuses here. It was necessary to give a detailed explanation, because... Brevity is not always welcomed at VO.
      According to
      Decree of the President of the Russian Federation dated July 02.07.2021, 400 N XNUMX “On the National Security Strategy of the Russian Federation”
      The Russian Federation has national interests:
      25. Taking into account long-term trends in the development of the situation in the Russian Federation and in the world, its national interests at the present stage are:
      1) saving the people of Russia and developing human potential;
      2) the defense of the country;
      3) state and public security;
      4) information security;
      5) economic security;
      6) scientific and technological development;
      7) environmental safety and rational use of natural resources;
      8) protection of traditional Russian spiritual and moral values, culture and historical memory;
      9) strategic stability and mutually beneficial international cooperation.

      How this is actually implemented is another matter. wink
      1. +6
        26 February 2024 08: 58
        Remind me about the May decrees, and about the kind of society we live in? You can declare and write on paper a lot. And then wipe yourself with them
      2. +5
        26 February 2024 13: 51
        Quote: Gomunkul
        Now you will pick up the minuses here. It was necessary to give a detailed explanation, because... Brevity is not always welcomed at VO.
        There is no time for a detailed explanation; you have to catch the next news to be in the header. And there the marshal's baton is just around the corner lol
        1. +3
          26 February 2024 13: 54
          There is no time for a detailed explanation; you have to catch the next news to be in the header. And there the marshal's baton is just around the corner
          If this is an end in itself, then the reason for brevity is understandable. smile hi
          1. +4
            26 February 2024 15: 20
            Quote: Gomunkul
            If this is an end in itself, then the reason for brevity is understandable.

            Yeah! There is no smell of aphorisms there... And a thought thrown into fasting does not create sparks...
            (but what an EAGLE! -(c)- ) laughing
    4. 0
      27 February 2024 23: 47
      Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov. (Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov).
      Yesterday, 03:17. New
      YOURS - "...“Do we have our own national interests?” - WE DO belay

      Probably the Republic of Ingushetia had its own national interests. USSR at different times. but OWN
      I really want to. that the time of “eternal” friendship and continuous “hopeless internationalism” is over and believe “partners” of any kind They'll only start on business.... feel
      You can have different attitudes towards Angil. but there are SOMETHINGS you simply NEED to learn from THEM:
      "...Henry John Temple, Lord Palmerston; from 1802 Viscount (English Henry John Temple, 3rd Viscount of Palmerston, October 20, 1784 - October 18, 1865) - a famous English statesman, for many years he led the defense, then the foreign policy of the state , in 1855-1865 (with a short break) was prime minister.

      Quotes

      Therefore, I maintain that it is short-sighted to regard this or that country as the permanent ally or eternal enemy of England. We do not have permanent allies, we do not have eternal enemies. Only our interests are unchanging and eternal, and our duty is to follow them. — Speech in the House of Commons, March 1, 1848 good good good


      Therefore I say that it is a narrow policy to suppose that this country or that is to be marked out as the eternal ally or the perpetual enemy of England. We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow.
      hi
  2. +22
    26 February 2024 03: 25
    Well? request Again, the mantras about “you have your own.” Everyone understands this, but then what? I wish I could see the plan point by point of what needs to be done in politics (external and domestic), economics, finance... True, I’m afraid that such a plan will fall under one of the “articles” that have been adopted recently...
    1. +16
      26 February 2024 08: 37
      Quote: Monster_Fat
      Everyone understands this, but then what?

      First, we need to admit that in 1991 we had an anti-constitutional coup d’etat, no better than the Maidan in Kyiv. Until Gorbachev and Yeltsin are given a proper assessment and the Yeltsin Center is demolished, nothing fundamentally will change.
      1. +7
        26 February 2024 08: 53
        Quote: Per se.
        nothing fundamentally will change.

        What should “fundamentally change”? They tried to conquer the Russian/Slavic people for centuries, but it always failed. Later, the most experienced and sophisticated enemy got involved in the matter, he realized that brute force could not achieve anything, he relied on a scientific approach, on psychology... And now, we are already seeing the results, they are everywhere: industry, science and education, healthcare and family values, demography and replacement of indigenous people by strangers, etc.. Everything is going according to plan...
        1. +2
          26 February 2024 10: 14
          Quote: Doccor18
          Everything goes according to plan...

          Yes, the Anglo-Saxon “partners” are virtuosos in meanness and hypocrisy. Our bad boys, in the coveted bourgeoisie, received their “jar of jam” and “pack of cookies”, becoming henpecked of the West.
          The question is, will Russia still be able to “stand the day and hold out the night”? I would like to believe that the Red Army will come, and not the Chinese, but ours. Without people's power, the socialist pole of power, we will be bled dry and destroyed.
        2. +5
          26 February 2024 12: 55
          Then it turns out that we are strong, but stupid, which is also not good.
          1. +1
            26 February 2024 13: 29
            Quote from AdAstra
            but stupid, which is also not good.

            We are not stupid, we are not mean. A separate topic is renegades, that the Soviet Union and the party betrayed. Now we are in capitalism, and it already has a world leader and the owner of this planetary system, no matter how you puff up your cheeks, there is really only one pole of power, under which our oligarchs sit. Therefore, without the creation (revival) of a socialist pole of power, there will be no independence from the West. How much better a hybrid, “national-communist” China is for us as friends is also a question. In any case, a country that has territorial claims to all neighboring states should already cause concern.
            1. +3
              26 February 2024 15: 32
              Quote: Per se.
              In any case, a country that has territorial claims to all neighboring states should already cause concern.

              But what about this? Still, an official statement from both sides:
              The Russian and Chinese sides share the same position that the border issue between our countries has been finally resolved. Its settlement was marked by the ratification in 2005 of the Additional Agreement on the Russian-Chinese state border on its eastern part, according to which the Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island was divided between the parties. The delimitation and demarcation of our common border has been completed along its entire length (almost 4300 km), including in 2008 on Bolshoy Ussuriysky Island.
              Russia and China have repeatedly confirmed absence of mutual territorial claims, there is a corresponding provision in the basic one for bilateral relations Treaty on Good Neighbourliness, Friendship and Cooperation of July 16, 2001.
              This is a statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry. Or is this so, for the nearer?
              1. +3
                26 February 2024 18: 54
                Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
                This is a statement from the Russian Foreign Ministry. Or is this so, for the nearer?

                Thank you for reminding me. I'll remind you later...
                Not long ago, Russian and Chinese delegations took part in the so-called verification of the state border between the two countries. The check was carried out in the status of demarcation measures on the territory of the Altai Republic in accordance with the agreements reached in the Chinese city of Urumqi on July 25, 2012. Demarcation work on the part of Russia was carried out under the leadership of Dmitry Kodenko, who is a representative of the FSB Border Directorate for the Altai Republic. The head of the Chinese delegation was Yu Guangxin, director of the international relations department of the Altai region of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region of the People's Republic of China.] It would seem that no difficulties should have arisen in the work of the bilateral commission, except for those associated with work in mountainous areas. But in fact, the demarcation measures were never completed.
                The reason for this was the position unexpectedly voiced by the Chinese side, which boiled down to the need on the part of the Russian Federation to shift a section of the state border deeper into Russia so that China would receive “originally Chinese” 17 hectares of the Altai mountainous area. At the same time, the Chinese side, in fact, did not present any documents that would in any way describe the claims to the mentioned hectares, which overnight turned into disputed territories. Yes, in legal terms, she could not present them, since as recently as 2005, an agreement on the demarcation of the Russian-Chinese border was signed, according to which Russia transferred to China, no less, about 340 square kilometers of “disputed” territories. In this regard, Chinese claims may seem strange not only as such, but also strange in the sense of why these claims suddenly appeared in the Altai region? The answer to this question lies practically on the surface. The fact is that the Russian Federation on the territory of the Altai Republic has a border with the PRC with a length of just under 55 kilometers. Due to the fact that the border line runs at an altitude of up to 3 thousand meters, there are no checkpoints here, because in the border areas, if economic activity is carried out, it is carried out on a very modest scale in order to stretch barbed wire between countries and equip border outposts.

                Obviously, the absence of the very frontier outposts in the region provided Beijing with food for thought about whether or not to try again to follow the Chinese diplomatic diplomacy honed in the confrontation with the USSR, and not even a inch of land from Russia. China, apparently, went according to a simple principle: if Russia does not protect a part of the border, then it can be stated that this area should belong to China. And in order for the dispute not to result in a tougher confrontation, Beijing requires "only" 17 hectares. They say, well, why should we raise controversy because of such trifles - just give some land, and we will look and leave us alone.

                The topic was raised at VO - “China’s new territorial claims to Russia” on August 16, 2012.
  3. +1
    26 February 2024 03: 46
    What overpopulation? China has a TFR of 1,2. Demographic catastrophe is approaching
    1. -1
      26 February 2024 07: 43
      Quote: Artem Savin
      What overpopulation? China has a TFR of 1,2. Demographic catastrophe is approaching

      But he still won’t give up the resources of Siberia
      1. +5
        26 February 2024 09: 03
        What resources? They cannot reach Western Siberia. And in the East - yes, there seems to be a lot there, but even the Soviet Union at the peak of its power could not really develop those regions. Can you imagine how much money and effort it takes to even get a railway line to Yakutsk? But this is just the beginning... There is nothing in those parts that could be taken quickly and cheaply. Then why the hell is China? It’s easier to exchange our resources for consumer goods - we’ll get everything ourselves and bring it to them...
        1. +8
          26 February 2024 09: 13
          China, while we sleep, will reach the Urals if necessary. As for Russia, the development of its territory is not included in the plans of the liberals. There are some attempts, of course. Corporation for the Development of the Far East, etc. But there are no global plans like Stalin had. Ours are where there is oil and gas, gold, and now grain.
          1. +3
            26 February 2024 09: 21
            Yes, to Eastern Siberia - there is simply no money or resources.. A lot of this is needed to develop it.. The places there are wild, harsh, the climate is nasty.. And most importantly - there is no point yet, what is there is not in short supply. Coal, iron, copper, oil, timber, and even gold - there are other places where it’s much cheaper to extract all this. has a payback period of less than 10 years, it’s simply not interesting.
            1. +8
              26 February 2024 09: 29
              Once upon a time in 2014, liberals told us that Crimea is good, it’s class. Why do we need Donbass? And now it turns out that Donbass is one of the most important parts of the economy of that region. In skillful hands there is no empty and unnecessary land. Any land is priceless wealth. You just need to put your hands on it.
              1. +8
                26 February 2024 09: 35
                These hands still need to be found... What is Eastern Siberia like - we have places that seem to have already been inhabited by the Soviet regime, but are half empty... There are ONLY 140 million of us in a huge territory! To master it effectively, you need at least 500.. Alas.

                And if you consider that out of these 140 million, a significant part is currently engaged in outright crap instead of working...
                1. +3
                  26 February 2024 12: 09
                  There is a suspicion that it is no longer 140, but less...
            2. +5
              26 February 2024 10: 01
              Economic information: Eastern Siberia is one of the most resource-rich regions of the country. It contains 30% of the balance coal reserves, 40% of the total timber reserves, 44% of cost-effective hydropower resources, 25% of river flow, a significant part of the gold reserves, deposits of copper, nickel, cobalt, aluminum raw materials, mining chemical raw materials, graphite, iron ores and other minerals. Its agricultural and territorial resources are huge and varied. Large reserves of natural resources and favorable conditions for their exploitation determine the high efficiency of their involvement in economic turnover.
            3. +4
              26 February 2024 10: 02
              Whoever needs it will take it all away Richest region See reference above
            4. +2
              26 February 2024 11: 10
              Quote: paul3390
              Yes, there is simply no money or resources for Eastern Siberia..

              And first of all human resources.
              It’s difficult to master it with shift workers alone; someone else needs to develop and maintain the built infrastructure. It was easy to create conditions for the outflow of population, but how to organize a return influx is not an easy task. winked
          2. +3
            26 February 2024 11: 57
            Quote: Alexander Odintsov
            But there are no global plans like Stalin had.

            This cannot happen in our global world, into which Russia “hooked” 33 years ago in order to “fit into...”

            By the way, Stalin was Stalin not because he received the throne along with the Empire by right of succession. But because he was the secretary of the Central Committee of a political party that had a very democratic charter. No matter how contrary it may be to the ears and spirit of “dear Russians,” the plans were the plans of a political party.

            But Russians are familiar and comfortable with a different order: when three guys on a December night in a Belarusian forest near Brest near the Polish border sign a letter to Filkin stating that a country with a population of nearly 300 million no longer exists. Free will, but fools... Once our President said directly - PARADISE! And I trust the President here more than myself
        2. +1
          26 February 2024 15: 39
          Quote: paul3390
          There is nothing in those parts that could be taken quickly and cheaply. Then why the hell is China?

          You're right. The climate there is also harsh, not everyone will survive.
          Therefore, the vector of China’s expansion is directed towards the countries of Southeast Asia, and strategically towards the Asia-Pacific region. That’s why the Yankees were alarmed in a way that, unlike the author, they saw the essence of the territorial aspirations of the Hongfuzes! Or do you think that the Anglo-Saxons are idiots? negative
    2. +5
      26 February 2024 08: 56
      Quote: Artem Savin
      What overpopulation? China has a TFR of 1,2. Demographic catastrophe is approaching

      Are you worried about a country that is 10 times larger in population than ours?
      1. +1
        26 February 2024 09: 57
        Are you worried about the country?
        Personally, it’s parallel to me, but this is not an emergency; it’s a collapse delayed in time. A large wardrobe is already in flight. Another problem is that young Chinese all want to be bloggers and gamers; fewer and fewer are choosing a career as a doctor or designer.
        1. 0
          26 February 2024 16: 21
          Quote: Bolt Cutter
          young Chinese all want to be bloggers and gamers; fewer and fewer are choosing a career as a doctor or designer.

          It’s the same with us. Because to become a doctor or scientist, even an engineer, you need to have brains and work hard. I'm not talking about geniuses - here we also need heredity, character and conditions...
          But making faces in front of your smartphone and then posting these “masterpieces” for narrow-minded subscribers like you doesn’t require a lot of intelligence and work! And as you know, a person, like an electric current, follows the path of least resistance. Yes, there are exceptions. But that’s why they are exceptions! And the majority are at the level of the first signaling system. And then your classmate meets you and says “cool!” and is quietly jealous that you, and not he, have become a BIGGER person. But how much work it cost you and what you had to sacrifice to achieve your goal, for some reason remains behind the scenes...
          1. +2
            28 February 2024 10: 18
            The consumer society benefits from the “dybilization” of the population. Simplification and reduction of education. Advertising encouraging people to buy and take out loans. Advertising by the same bloggers. We need people who will buy more, think less and “vote correctly”
  4. +12
    26 February 2024 05: 36
    Key question: what will happen to the ruble exchange rate
    The ruble exchange rate today is $ 92,75, € 100,44, falling...stable, and the president’s rating is growing.
    1. +11
      26 February 2024 06: 01
      Quote: parusnik
      and the president's rating is growing.

      And before the elections it will go off scale!
      1. +11
        26 February 2024 06: 31
        Quote: parusnik
        and the president's rating is growing.

        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And before the elections it will go off scale!

        So this rating is carried out by specially trained people in places determined by the administration:
        Kremlin, Northern Fleet, State Duma building...
        And the ministers who elevated Nicholas II to the rank of saints are also trying. They zombify the population day and night.
      2. +11
        26 February 2024 08: 12
        Quote from Uncle Lee
        And before the elections it will go off scale!

        At the same time, the presidential candidate will not even deign to come to the debate.

        The secretary made it clear that the candidate had no time. And those who really need it, let them follow the candidate themselves on a daily basis. It is clear from everything that the procedure for electing the president is considered as a trifling formality for this candidate.
        1. +13
          26 February 2024 08: 18
          Quote: Stas157
          the presidential election procedure is viewed as a trivial formality

          Why carry out this campaign, spend so much money, time, advertising, debates, fuss....
          Just nod at the TV... Yes
          1. +4
            26 February 2024 08: 58
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Why carry out this company

            What do you mean why? Nobody canceled democracy......
          2. +2
            26 February 2024 11: 08
            Then so that everyone knows that democracy does not work and that in the West it is just as false.
          3. +1
            26 February 2024 19: 16
            Quote from Uncle Lee
            Just nod at the TV...

            Or spit.
            1. +2
              27 February 2024 03: 25
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Or spit.

              You can't spit! It will burn a hole! stop
      3. +2
        26 February 2024 09: 16
        The key problem of the ordinary Russian people is excessive gullibility and faith in the “good Tsar”. Few people understand who is hiding behind all this patriotic screen. And there, if you look deeply, you can see the faces of our raw material barons. Behind him, like behind a stone wall.
        1. +1
          26 February 2024 11: 29
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          the faces of our raw material barons are visible

          They control EVERYTHING... hi
        2. +2
          26 February 2024 15: 54
          Quote: Alexander Odintsov
          The key problem of the ordinary Russian people is excessive gullibility and faith in the “good tsar”

          Literary stamp. As long as I live, I would like to see a “gullible Russian” so much.... And he needs the Tsar because there is no one to trust except the Tsar. laughing

          At one time, 100 years ago, Hitler formulated this “key problem” differently:
          “A mentally deficient nation cannot create a full-fledged State for itself on its land.”
          Therefore, it would be better to turn to the Bible in the old fashioned way and admit that the troubles of the people are from their sins, from the mass of thieves and traitors, but not from mental inferiority. For the first can be repented of, but the second deprives the people of a historical perspective. The trouble comes from the fact that through one - a traitor and a thief, and not from the fact that through one - a saint “not of this world.”
    2. +5
      26 February 2024 08: 17
      Quote: parusnik
      The ruble exchange rate for today is $ 92,75

      Already above 93 on the Moscow Exchange. In such situations, Nabiulina will definitely not control inflation (no matter how much it torments the key rate).
      1. +1
        26 February 2024 09: 18
        The dollar is being held for now. The Presidential decree on the sale of foreign currency earnings will expire in the spring. And if exports don't grow, green may go up.
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    3. 0
      28 February 2024 10: 19
      I would venture to assume that by the end of summer the dollar will rise and the rating will decline.
  5. -2
    26 February 2024 05: 40
    If we taxed wealthy people like in China, they would rebel. Only the ability of the state to manage everything makes it possible to move forward. Even ministers are put there not to support, but to introduce new things. This in many ways distinguishes Russia and China. But they also have failures in the form of overproduction (we would like to have them at the moment) and in the form of stopping production as a result of sanctions. It is easy to impose sanctions on us and China. There are too many Western products. What is produced in a country where, down to the last screw and its technology, sanctions are impossible.
    1. +6
      26 February 2024 09: 00
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      If we taxed wealthy people

      We? laughing wassat
  6. +11
    26 February 2024 05: 44
    Or why can’t we launch mass production of our own aircraft – is there anyway for this? Because our elite are the faithful disciples of Gaidar and Yeltsin

    These words need to be engraved in granite! wink
    1. +9
      26 February 2024 06: 24
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      our elite are the faithful disciples of Gaidar and Yeltsin

      And she hasn’t gone anywhere, she still rules!
  7. +19
    26 February 2024 07: 19
    . Almost all the proceeds from the sale of gas went to pay for the import of Chinese cars - $11,5 billion, which, judging by the prices, we clearly did not get as cheaply as our gas.

    People are simply forced to buy Chinese junk for the price of a Mercedes (before surgery).

    . According to the General Administration of Customs of the People's Republic of China for 2022 - about 92,8% of our exports to China are ordinary raw materials – mineral fuels, ores, metals, wood, etc.

    I immediately remembered how our grandmaster of geopolitics noted with pleasure that, they say, our trade balance with China is very balanced!
    Apparently, our leader really likes the classic colonial scheme of exchanging gold (raw materials) for beads!
    1. 0
      26 February 2024 22: 53
      Quote: Stas157
      People are simply forced to buy Chinese junk for the price of a Mercedes (before surgery).

      This is true. The same mentioned Moskvich-3 is sold three times cheaper in China. So it’s not Chinese cars that are expensive, but our sellers are greedy. The markup is already 300% and they are all demanding increased protection of the domestic market.
  8. +7
    26 February 2024 07: 25
    Does Russia have its own interests? The trick is that Russia and the leadership are parallels that will never intersect.
    1. +6
      26 February 2024 08: 56
      "The government lives on another planet, dear."(c)
    2. +5
      26 February 2024 09: 03
      these are parallels that will never intersect
      This is according to Euclid, but according to Lobachevsky, maybe somewhere out there in space smile
      1. +2
        26 February 2024 09: 41
        According to Euclid, according to Lobachevsky, this is geometry. But according to Putin, Russia does not need the economy.
        1. +3
          26 February 2024 09: 47
          But according to Putin, Russia does not need the economy.
          Needed, somewhere in space laughing
  9. +6
    26 February 2024 07: 47
    Our factories cannot produce normal cars at a price of 1–2 millionwho could buy?

    Normal cars are less than a million. How did Solaris and Rapid cost before?
    Why do I need Vesta for one and a half million if I didn’t need it even for 600 thousand?
    No, well, now, of course, I would take it for 600 because there is no way out. But definitely not more expensive!
    1. +2
      26 February 2024 09: 22
      Quote: Stas157
      Our factories cannot produce normal cars at a price of 1–2 millionwho could buy?

      Normal cars are less than a million. How did Solaris and Rapid cost before?
      Why do I need Vesta for one and a half million if I didn’t need it even for 600 thousand?
      No, well, now, of course, I would take it for 600 because there is no way out. But definitely not more expensive!

      I don’t even want to talk about the price of handicrafts from AVTOVAZ, but those Chinese that we sell in large quantities are the bottom of the Chinese market at a price of 10-12 thousand dollars for them, for us it’s 2-2,5 lyama, respectively, these are dealer markups and customs duties. Accordingly, the quality on them is for the lower limit of the market. The Chinese also have their own premium. We have a price for it from 4 million at the office. dealers and from 3,5 from gray ones. The initial premium representative is "Gili-Manjaro", others are not heard of at all.
  10. +15
    26 February 2024 08: 11
    "Because our elite are the faithful disciples of Gaidar and Yeltsin,"
    This is the whole point of the article! They only know how to trade their homeland.
    Let's take the simplest thing. If not 100, then 70% are definitely against us marching under white flags! But in power, in leadership positions, it is those who not only approve, but also prove that this humiliation is normal. And Putin is protecting them!!! And so in any area. All hucksters, traitors and thieves are Putin’s friends. And everyone understands this. As Prigozhin’s rebellion showed, no one will defend such a government. And if Prigozhin, in addition to the dough in his head, had an idea, at least a little, then we would have a new president and a new minister of defense.
    1. +5
      26 February 2024 08: 13
      That's why I won't go to the polls! This is my protest. No one will allow this corrupt power to be removed peacefully!
      1. +5
        26 February 2024 08: 40
        The rest will go, now it doesn’t matter how many come, at least 5%, 3% will vote for the main candidate and the opinion of the majority, those who did not come to protest will not be interested.
      2. 0
        28 February 2024 10: 22
        This is what everything is designed for. It is clear that our communists are not real. The LDPR is no longer clear what. “New people” so that everyone thinks that we have something new in politics. But go and vote!!!
    2. -1
      26 February 2024 09: 21
      Prigozhin didn’t make it, he lost it. It all went so quickly. But his march is the last warning to the system.
  11. -13
    26 February 2024 08: 17
    Let's do the same in numbers? China's PPP GDP is 30 trillion. They are “performed” by 790 million workers. Our 5,3 trillion (6 times less) make 72 million, that is, 11 times less hard workers. By the way, for honesty, you need to add 10% to the Chinese economy, and to ours...40%. As a result, 33 trillion. dollars versus 7,3 trillion. With all due respect, even with the raw material type of our economy, where does the PRC have a drop-dead model, effective and developing? The percentages that China “makes” to GDP every year are nowhere near the available dynamics. Are they slowing down on purpose?)) So in order not to do this on purpose, we need to add our winter and our pension system with social payments. Where is the economic giant? Maybe the struggling economy of an overpopulated country?
    1. +3
      26 February 2024 09: 02
      Quote: sleeve
      Can struggling economy overpopulated country?

      This “hard-to-balance economy” has filled the whole world with its goods, including Europe and the USA. Please note, goods (consumer goods), and not natural fossil raw materials. And it’s no joke, the gold and foreign exchange reserves of the People’s Bank of China exceed a fantastic figure - $3 trillion. How do you like this?
      1. -2
        26 February 2024 14: 29
        So I'm talking about the same thing. 790 million economically active population! By pure arithmetic, if we compare their model to the efficiency of our model, we can expect three layers of consumer goods on the entire planet. But no, it is not observed. For some reason, it is considered normal to blame a Russian carpenter with his one stool (conditionally, of course, conditionally!) and one shelf (shadow economy of the Russian Federation) for six stools without shelves, which were made by 11 (!) Chinese carpenters. I still can’t understand how this mysterious process of playing numbers happens ((
  12. +14
    26 February 2024 08: 18
    Turns to the West, now to the East:

    A story about a girl who was choosing between rich suitors. They used her, but didn’t marry her
    Trade turnover between China and Russia in 2022 amounted to $190 billion, an increase of 29% compared to 2021.

    In honorable 12th place in the list of China's trading partners

    In the first two places are organizations and unions of countries: the EU and ASEAN (10 states of Southeast Asia)
    In third place (and first among individual countries) is the United States, with a trade turnover of $750 billion.

    Conclusions:
    1. There cannot be equivalent partnerships between the Second and Eleventh economies of the world (for those who missed it, we are talking about China and Russia)

    2. With such a ratio of trade turnover and the strength of economic ties, it is more likely to expect a joint military operation between the United States and China against Russia than vice versa - the PRC and the Russian Federation act as a single bloc against the United States

    China does not need such a worthless ally, only as a “tame servant”, a completely dependent territory
  13. +3
    26 February 2024 08: 36
    Where will friendship with China take us?
    Yes, as in the song: “Where has your path led me, life is not sweet to me without my dear Princess. Oh, if only, oh, if only the glorious king would reveal the password to the Princess’s heart. After all, I’m not afraid of anyone, nothing, I I would have done it for him then" (c) laughing
  14. 0
    26 February 2024 08: 44
    Seneca's statement today requires correction at . The Chinese want to live like the Chinese, the Finns want to live like the Finns, the Italians want to live like the Italians, the Americans want to live like the Americans and the Russians want to live like the Chinese, Finns, Italians, Americans...oh, I forgot the French. So Seneca’s statement today needs to be specifically corrected, especially since there is evidence that where the Americans, Italians, Finns, French and all sorts of other Germans have reached today, this is the edge before the abyss in moral hell... So maybe the Russians let them want to live like Russians...?
    1. +3
      26 February 2024 09: 23
      Seneca's statement is for our top. What are their plans there? What they want? A complete mystery. Holding elections is understandable. What next - hope for the endless patience of the Russian people and Trump's victory?
  15. +1
    26 February 2024 08: 47
    Our government doesn’t want to strain; it’s more convenient for the market to decide, the West sold, now the East, but it will be possible to develop its own socialism, otherwise the smart ones won’t work hard for the greedy.
  16. +3
    26 February 2024 08: 54
    In conditions of overpopulation in China

    Lord - again... Well, for the sake of decency, look at the population map of China for once - two-thirds of the country is empty!! This whole horde lives along two rivers and the coast. The same inner Mongolia or Xinjiang - by their standards, virtually deserted... And they are trying, they are building cities there, apartments are almost free - no, they don’t want to live there. The Chinese are not comfortable there. At the same time, they never, even during their greatest dynasties, crossed the Amur... And now - suddenly they desperately needed Siberia... Ha!
    1. +5
      26 February 2024 09: 01
      And now - suddenly they desperately needed Siberia... Ha!
      It is the Republic of China (Taiwan) who needs Siberia, not the PRC, they are often confused... Why do they need the PRC, Siberia, when Russia itself gives away wealth for pennies, and they still fight... smile
    2. +2
      26 February 2024 09: 25
      The answer is very simple: A significant part of China - 59,37% - is located in mountainous areas, while the most suitable lands for life (plains and basins) make up only 31% of the total area.
      1. +5
        26 February 2024 09: 31
        And Eastern Siberia, which they allegedly set their sights on, is a pure field or what? And also the climate - mother don’t worry for a native of the warm coast...
        1. +4
          26 February 2024 10: 01
          And also the climate - mother don’t worry for a native of the warm coast...
          I live in the south, in the foothills of the Caucasus, people come to us from Siberia, the Urals, and the Far East, but they don’t want to go there, even for a Far Eastern hectare. And I don’t want it myself smile
  17. +3
    26 February 2024 10: 04
    The author proceeds from the fact that the interests of Russia are the interests of the majority of its population, but this is not so.

    The interests of the country are determined by those who can really influence politics, and this is by no means the majority of the population, these are people who own resources and have power. They act in their own interests and there is not a single reason why they would act differently.

    Their interests are the interests of Russia, and the state defends these interests consistently and persistently.

    This is their state.
    1. 0
      28 February 2024 10: 24
      Doctor of Economic Sciences Evgeniy Gontmakher, who is also considered a liberal, states the following: “First of all, I put forward the thesis: there is no state in Russia. At the same time, there is a certain structure in which millions of people work who call themselves officials... Instead of the state as an institution implementing the course for the development of the country, we have a gigantic and uncontrolled private structure that successfully extracts profit in its own favor. There, inside this “state”, everything is fine: high salaries, high-quality medicine, preferential travel packages. The rest (and this is the overwhelming majority of the population) are losers, whose place, at best, is as a servant or at an increasingly meager feeding trough.” And in his opinion, the main task of society is to return the state to Russia!
  18. 0
    26 February 2024 10: 17
    Hello, I'm from China, I want to learn Russian and exchange opinions
    1. 0
      28 February 2024 10: 25
      Always ready - write!!!
      1. 0
        29 February 2024 07: 36
        my personal opinion. At least for some time, China will have no real claims to the territory it gave up under the treaty. China is very cautious about its relations with Russia. Because China does not want relations between the US and Russia to improve. China is only seeking to expand its influence in Central Asia (by building a railway) and gain more benefits in the Far East (by opening ports).

        Today's USA may be an enemy, but tomorrow it may become a friend. Today's China may be a friend, but tomorrow it may become an enemy. In general, there are no eternal friends, there are only eternal interests. In the future competition between China and the US, both countries will try to get Russia on their side. (For example, the United States may make greater concessions to Russia on Ukraine, and China may offer equipment with higher military value.) How Russia can use this era of opportunity to reap greater benefits is a question Russian leaders must consider.
        1. 0
          29 February 2024 09: 24
          Dear Kitty! Regarding China, I completely agree with you. However, I believe the choice on the part of the West has been made. It is unlikely that the US will engage us against China. Firstly, we are unlikely to agree to such a deal, despite its attractiveness. Concessions on Ukraine - maybe, but this is due to the impossibility of victory in Ukraine, nothing more. Public opinion will not support a new deal with the West. To organize a new perestroika 2, to offer Russia a Marshall Plan, no, this is no longer possible. The chance to incorporate us legally into an alliance with the West is gone forever and irrevocably. The conflict with the West is of a civilizational nature: they will finish us off to the end, but they will not succeed. All the best, write!
  19. +1
    26 February 2024 10: 30
    "When a person does not know
    to which pier he is heading,
    no wind for him
    will not be favorable.”
    Seneca

    “What is the difference between Russia and China?”

    As was said at the last congress of the CPC, the foundations of socialism have been created in the PRC, but what about in the Russian Federation?
    As president, the elder Bush once said that the Russian Federation was sitting on two chairs and did not explain the meaning of this, although he probably had some reason to think so.


    “Does Russia have national interests?”

    The state is the political organization of the ruling class, within which processes of creation and disintegration of certain political-economic groupings of the ruling class are constantly taking place, which are the national interests that the state defends with all available political, economic, military and other means.


    “Turns to the West, now to the East”

    The blockade in the west forced them to turn to the east, especially since China has become the world's largest economy and is rapidly developing, which requires the provision of raw materials, markets, transport communications, etc. – there is a coincidence of interests and this is the guarantee of friendship.


    “Why did Boris Yeltsin destroy the remnants of the USSR industry?”

    The coup was the result of economic policy and the gradual decay of the social system after the death of I.V. Stalin.
    As a result of the privatization and division of public property, a class of large private owners was created who became the support of the putschists and were ready to fight to the death for their property and those who benefited them.


    “Why does a sovereign country need any orientation?”

    Sovereignty is independence, but due to the social division of labor and production cooperation, independence is a relative concept.


    “Maybe it’s time for us to turn to ourselves?”

    The ruling class has at all times defended its interests, which ultimately come down to two things - money and power, which are created by the exploitation of slaves bought on the market, and neither the king nor any other representative of the exploitative class will ever do anything to their detriment.
    1. 0
      29 February 2024 09: 27
      “The ruling class has at all times defended its interests, which ultimately come down to two things - money and power, which are created by the exploitation of slaves bought on the market, and neither the tsar nor any other representative of the exploitative class will ever do anything to their detriment.” That's right. But no ruling class in Russia lasts forever. Everything is changing here. There was tsarism, there was communism. The communists will come to power again. Not these of course. They are not real. Other.
  20. +1
    26 February 2024 11: 13
    As of December 2023, car dealers began overstocking their warehouses with Chinese cars - about 175 thousand cars had accumulated.

    The question is, why do we need so many cars? Already now in Moscow all the yards are clogged with cars, in St. Petersburg the situation is similar - despite the fact that since the 90s-2000s public transport has become much better and more convenient.
    I see that many of these cars are not driven very often - is such a significant expense justified in this case, taking into account inflation? We're talking specifically about cars.
    If our people are really ready to give their all for something that is objectively not vital for the majority, perhaps the time has come to gradually block access to the fatherland. market for foreign cars, let this money better go to the domestic auto industry (whatever it may be) and related industries, let people’s stupid greed benefit our economy and not third parties.
    If a person is ready to pay 3.4 lyama for nonsense, he will be able to pay 4 with a creaking heart.

    And about the fact that our joint activities with China somehow slowed down the West and torpedoed its efforts. No, it's an illusion. In the recent past, the West implemented all its developments, bypassing the UN veto, introducing an exter. sanctions or starting military operations using a powerful allied lobby. They also interacted with us very effectively - we adhered to sanctions on Iran and North Korea until very recently. The US’s instruments of influence on China were also very effective, right up until the moment when tough technological “clinches” began on the part of the United States.
    Yes, the faucet was leaking - in our case it was crap, in the case of China it was worse. But this was more an aesthetic rather than an architectural loss for the United States. The problem of the growing imbalance of their economy does not come from the joint efforts of China and Russia - it is a problem of the deteriorating quality of governance of their own collective model. And a consequence of this is the increasing influence of the actions of third-party actors on this entropy. Until recently, the West quite successfully passivated us, combining binding trade with imposed sanctions that hindered our development.
    This line could have continued if we hadn’t loudly slammed the door saying “Enough!” - that is, our violin is not the first to create conscious interference with their model, to put it mildly.
    We must understand that in our case, on the western flank, we have already been thoroughly squeezed into exactly the model that the West wanted - everything important for it is already in NATO and for quite a long time. Both Sweden and Finland were cosmetic touches, something they could have pulled off 10 years ago. How have we REALLY interfered with these plans for decades? No way. We could somehow influence some kind of bullshit like supporting Nicolas Maduro, but I didn’t see any effective containment of Western expansion at our own borders until 22 years old.
  21. +3
    26 February 2024 11: 40
    Author ! Don’t repeat other people’s fantasies about the expression of Alexander III, he did not say the same about the army and navy.
    1. 0
      26 February 2024 12: 22
      I don’t think all the other statements of Alexander 3 were in the same trend. "The entire treasury for the war." “When the Russian Tsar is fishing, Europe can wait,” he answered another minister, who insisted in Gatchina that Alexander III immediately receive the ambassador of some great power.
    2. -2
      26 February 2024 12: 22
      “Russia has only two allies - its army and navy” - a catchphrase belonging to the Russian Emperor Alexander III. The authorship of the statement is attributed to the ruler of the Russian Empire in the memoirs of his son-in-law, Grand Duke Alexander Mikhailovich (Wikipedia).
      Another version of the same phrase (Wikiquote): “In the whole world we have only 2 faithful allies,” he liked to tell his ministers: “our army and navy.” All the rest, at the first opportunity, will take up arms against us.
      1. +1
        26 February 2024 12: 31
        Either a story or pure hypocrisy, given that the same Alexander entered into an alliance with France.
  22. +1
    26 February 2024 12: 14
    As long as the power system filters smart and energetic people for the sake of stupid and obedient people, nothing good can be expected. And all those enthusiasts who are trying to develop a technology business in Russia are forced to swim against the tide, but even the strongest swimmer eventually runs out of strength.
  23. +2
    26 February 2024 12: 51
    “Russians are not Chinese, we want to save the world, and have saved it more than once, but they only want to benefit from it.”
    Come on? But in my opinion, we should stop constantly ascribing some kind of “missionaryism”; the majority in the Russian Federation now, and even before that, have a deeply violet view of the world and want to live a little for themselves. Besides, why save someone who doesn’t want to be saved?
    1. -4
      26 February 2024 14: 12
      Those who want to live only (!!!) for themselves have left since the beginning of the Northern Military District and mobilization overseas, there are approximately 1 million of them. For the state, these people are ballast. Either someone else's or your own - most likely a stranger. Our fathers, grandfathers and great-grandfathers saved the world in 1941-45. So there is no escape from this. Someone's personal opinion is not important here. But the choice is always personal. The question is the choice of the majority. All the best!
      1. +6
        26 February 2024 14: 52
        This ballast worked somewhere, produced something and still paid taxes, so it wasn’t that much ballast. And the fact that they were imbued with beautiful pictures of tank biathlons and other chef competitions and fairy tales about professional and generally second in the world with no analogues in the world by 70%, and then it all crashed into harsh reality, not only their fault, and not so much their fault. But what do you say? But then tell me what grandfathers, great-grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers saved there in 1904-1905, 1914-1918?
        1. -4
          26 February 2024 14: 59
          Everything is the same as during the war with Bonaparte and during the Crimean War, and long before that at the Nevsky Massacre. Scenario too. Is not it so ?
          1. +1
            26 February 2024 15: 01
            "...what did grandfathers, great-grandfathers and great-great-grandfathers save there in 1904-1905, 1914-1918?"
            I asked about this. Is not it so? hi
  24. -2
    26 February 2024 13: 43
    “Here are the Federal Customs Service data: our foreign trade balance for January–November 2023 decreased to $126,9 billion from $310,1 billion for the same period in 2022.”
    And what's wrong with that? request We exchange resources for candy wrappers/digits!
    Why do we need a positive balance at all - lending to the whole world?
    And in general - we need to stop with these LNG flows/plants - get off the oil and gas needle, and just build our own processing... and having processed gas into fertilizers, and fertilizers into grain - we again get the problem of dependence on the external market! You need to strive for self-sufficiency, and sell enough so that you can buy what you need with the proceeds! It seems like a political economic banality - but alas... request
    1. +2
      26 February 2024 14: 15
      You are right, the balance is not that important. It is important that exports are falling. Exports of the Russian Federation during this period decreased by 40% - to $385,9 billion from $538,1 billion. Supplies of Russian gas abroad for 11 months of 2023 decreased in physical volume by 34% in annual terms, revenue from Russian gas supplies year-on-year decreased by 69%, oil - by 7%. We are present at the funeral of the Yeltsin-Gaidar raw material model. And this year, believe me, everything will be very interesting, although probably not very pleasant. Anyone who lived in the 80s and 90s will understand. We are heading into a new late 80's.
      1. 0
        26 February 2024 14: 54
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        Russian exports during this period decreased by 40% - to $385,9 billion from $538,1 billion

        but the balance is still positive - that means there is excess export...
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        Russian gas supplies abroad for 11 months of 2023 decreased in physical volume by 34%

        Let them gasify Russia...
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        We are present at the funeral of the Yeltsin-Gaidar raw material model

        and good! they live well where there is a high level of processing, and not the export of raw materials!
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        If you lived in the 80s, you will understand the 90s. We are heading into a new late 80's.

        Lived... while we have food security... request
        Yes, in general - you are greatly exaggerating! Some closure of the economy will benefit us - it is difficult to simply instantly move capital and workers from export industries to import-substituting ones, but this should be a strategy... request
        Investments should not be directed to export pipelines and LNG plants, but to industrial development! Even the current development of the Eastern training ground is excessive - the industry should be oriented towards the domestic market! At the same time, it is necessary to intensively develop transport - build a railway to Magadan, etc. And the bosses only have in their minds to sell more abroad... hi
      2. +1
        26 February 2024 19: 34
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        We are present at the funeral of the Yeltsin-Gaidar raw materials model.

        And what in return? Not a single track plant like the Stalingrad Tractor Plant.
  25. +2
    26 February 2024 14: 55
    Quote: Doccor18
    Quote: Artem Savin
    What overpopulation? China has a TFR of 1,2. Demographic catastrophe is approaching

    Are you worried about a country that is 10 times larger in population than ours?

    I’m worried that I won’t have to work after I’m 80 or until I throw off my hooves when pensions are canceled due to the complete inability of the small cohort of young people to maintain the pension system.

    In China, everything is normal, in the sense of the same as in others. Why worry about them when almost all more or less developed countries are in the same situation? Low TFR in the Russian Federation, in EU countries, and further down the alphabetical list. It seems that only Ireland, France (at the expense of Moroccans and descendants of immigrants from the colonies), Turkey (I think, I don’t remember, I’m not sure) are reproducing the population in geographical Europe. If it goes down a level, from national to regional, the North Caucasus still comes to mind. The United States is growing due to immigration, among the indigenous population it is mainly immigrants from Latin America who give birth, among whites and blacks the TFR is also in region 1. Even among black Africa, Muslims of Central Asia and fundamentalist Jews in Israel, the birth rate drops in the near future to 3-4 born/wives, which is basically a lot, but still, before it was 6-8. At this rate, humanity will read about uncles/aunts, brothers/sisters in historical novels and will look up the meaning of these words in the dictionary.
  26. +3
    26 February 2024 15: 20
    Why did Boris Yeltsin destroy the remnants of the USSR industry?

    Now in the epilogue there is a lie that turns everything upside down.
    The remnants of the USSR industry were destroyed not by the EBN, but by the GDP. And this immediately answers the question posed in the title. Nothing good is in store.
    About the destruction of production... A metrology teacher at VOENMEH told us that in any country industrial production is very clearly characterized by the bearing industry...
    I think comments here will be unnecessary.
    1. -1
      26 February 2024 15: 58
      This is the context. Everything continues the same with him. This is a separate topic. According to the State Statistics Service data on the number of large and medium-sized enterprises and organizations, for the period from 2004 to 2023. their number fell from 102 to 138 i.e. by 56% (!) or - 094. At the same time, in 45 the number of enterprises increased by approximately 46 thousand.
      1. +1
        26 February 2024 16: 27
        Business is when it is profitable. Production is less profitable. than trade or construction, hence the result.

        Since the state is controlled by big business, and all political authorities are only its assistants, there is nothing surprising in this - after all, they do what is beneficial to them.
  27. +3
    26 February 2024 16: 26
    Quote from Uncle Lee
    And before the elections it will go off scale!

    We haven't had elections for a long time. We have re-election the same person in the future until 2036, with results of 146%.
  28. 0
    26 February 2024 18: 41
    Well done author, he wrote everything accurately and correctly. What's next? Then the question arises: What to do? The eternal Russian question. Who can answer it? The presidential elections are just around the corner, should you vote for Putin? But he led Russia to the disastrous result described in this article. But Russia clearly needs to switch to the development methods of the USSR and become a self-sufficient country. This path is laid down in the election program of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation. But will Kharitonov be able to implement it? I will vote for this program, I don’t see any other way. Maybe President Putin will see the light? He will remove the liberals from the financial bloc and the Central Bank, and will nationalize the main means of production.... In this case, Russia will return to the path of economic development and growth in the well-being of the people.
    1. -1
      26 February 2024 20: 44
      You are right I agree I have the same view on this topic
    2. +1
      26 February 2024 23: 00
      What will nationalization give you?? It’s easy to pick up, but who will manage it? It is necessary, following the example of China, not to seize Taiwan, but to first develop the country and then make advances.
      1. 0
        27 February 2024 14: 11
        The experience of the PRC shows that the main thing in the economy is not the issue of ownership, but the issue of management. There was no privatization as such in the PRC. The public sector was preserved and transferred to the private sector with extreme caution. Instead of our reformers' stupidest idea of ​​privatization, which actually produced nothing, the Chinese stimulated the development of new businesses. You want to become millionaires - we will give you land and money, but we will not give you ready-made assets. Create assets: build factories and produce - and then only get rich.
        1. 0
          27 February 2024 17: 12
          In fact, the Russian Federation is greatly limited in maneuver. The first thing that can be done is the nationalization of everything that generates income, but firstly, big business is secretly transferring it to their own, and secondly, who will manage it. 1nd, creating a lot of things that we don’t have from scratch is stupid, it will take too much time, to make something new, you need investments (which no one will give at all) and technology (the same thing). What's left? - for me, there is only one option - to tell China what will happen to it as a result of the defeat of the Russian Federation (he knows this himself) and on this wave ask/change everything. We climbed naked into the nettles, but we still need to climb out.
        2. 0
          27 February 2024 17: 12
          In fact, the Russian Federation is greatly limited in maneuver. The first thing that can be done is the nationalization of everything that generates income, but firstly, big business is secretly transferring it to their own, and secondly, who will manage it. 1nd, creating a lot of things that we don’t have from scratch is stupid, it will take too much time, to make something new, you need investments (which no one will give at all) and technology (the same thing). What's left? - for me, there is only one option - to tell China what will happen to it as a result of the defeat of the Russian Federation (he knows this himself) and on this wave ask/change everything. We climbed naked into the nettles, but we still need to climb out.
          1. -1
            27 February 2024 18: 00
            Dear Igor, on the one hand, you are right. You need to close the holes and buy what you can buy. But key positions need to be done in-house. There may be mistakes, and it may be expensive. And believe me, the most expensive thing will be to fall behind in everything forever and also to always buy someone else’s. What if the US simply closes almost all imports to us? Or will they make it so much more expensive? Isn’t it clear that this is where everything is heading? Turkish, Chinese, and Arab banks are already limiting their work with us. Because the owner of trade is the United States and nothing can be done about it yet. What then? Sincerely, Alexander
    3. 0
      27 February 2024 08: 18
      "You can't step into the same river twice." (With)

      I respect your choice, but I cannot agree with the conclusions.

      Our country is capitalist and, no matter who is in power, it will still be the power of capitalists, perhaps even the same ones. They will not give up power, no matter the elections, no matter how. And there is no one to give it to, the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is the same communists as the LDPR is liberals

      The socialist experiment proved the ineffectiveness of the socialist economy, which in the end was destroyed not by enemies, but by poor management. State-owned enterprises are terribly bureaucratic, non-competitive monsters, and they cannot be made different.

      I'm afraid the new experiment will simply finish off Russia. True, the current experiment can also finish it off. Isn’t it easier to look around and say - we want to live like here they are and here they are. Why reinvent the wheel?

      In the end, what is the task? To ensure the growth of welfare and social protection of the majority (that is, the people), which requires an effective economy.

      IMHO, this problem is solvable and often even solved.
      1. 0
        27 February 2024 18: 03
        Dear Sergey! I’m afraid that what will finish off our long-suffering Motherland is not a new experiment, but a lack of choice. Don't think that everything we see is forever. Change will come soon and we will see it. Why is this so, see the article: 2024-2025: Should we expect changes. There are cycles of history, the pendulum went in the other direction.
  29. +1
    26 February 2024 19: 08
    But from a global perspective, the weakening of Russia is certainly beneficial for the overpopulated PRC,

    And will he be left alone against the USA? It is precisely from a global perspective that the weakening of Russia and its transformation into an enemy of the United States is disadvantageous to China.
    They think that the weakening of Russia is beneficial to China, this is a repetition of Hitler’s suicidal mistake. He never understood that the USSR was not interested in the death of his Reich.
    1. -1
      27 February 2024 18: 05
      Complex issue. China is getting stronger. The moment will come when no one will be afraid of him. And if we weaken, he will take our lands. The answer is obvious.
      1. 0
        1 March 2024 15: 50
        Quote: Alexander Odintsov
        Complex issue. China is getting stronger. The moment will come when no one will be afraid of him. And if we weaken, he will take our lands. The answer is obvious.

        The main geopolitical process of the 21st century; the center of world civilization is moving to the East. If in the previous thousand years Rus' and Russia were an Eastern European backwater or “the last carriage of a Western European train,” then the 20th century provided a chance to reach the forefront.

        It was the “triune people” who squandered their only chance simply homerically. After Victory in the War. Like, indeed, everything he ever did. This happened on the night of December 8, 1991. Apparently, it was fate to be like this.

        Now a realistic option is again - the last carriage, but only of the Orient Express. Although we still have to fight a lot for THIS place on the train. Or - “CONDITIONAL PARADISE” (According to the Bible, the common end of the world for everyone is still inevitable, but as the great Lenin taught; In a single country, you can achieve individual results and even get ahead of the general schedule, and our people are so talented laughing )
  30. +1
    26 February 2024 22: 56
    That’s right, but Russia is a very complex country; most often you think about how not to lose everything and how to improve something.
  31. 0
    27 February 2024 01: 29
    Why did Boris Yeltsin destroy the remnants of the USSR industry?

    He carried out the task of his Western masters.
  32. 0
    27 February 2024 09: 38
    Well. Vassal dependence on China will increase with every year of confrontation with the West. But if relations with the West were equal, then with China they were vassal. And not a single mongrel like s, s, s, k (it’s clear who we’re talking about) has raised its tail against China and will not raise it.. Such are they, the costs of Multipolarity laughing
    1. 0
      27 February 2024 18: 07
      I think both there and there were attitudes of the peripheral raw material economy. They are always the same. We give them raw materials - they give us finished products.
  33. +1
    27 February 2024 13: 00
    Quote: Portos Portosjan
    But if relations with the West were equal, then with China they were vassal. And not a single mongrel like s, s, s, k (it’s clear who we’re talking about) has raised its tail against China and will not raise it.. Such are they, the costs of Multipolarity

    After perestroika, Russia's relations with the West were equal? Even Novodvorskaya (may her gentlemen forgive her) did not think of this.
    The mongrel didn’t raise his tail against China? Who wanted to join NATO, who wanted missile defense together with the United States, who made the ISS for the United States, who held 300 billion Central Banks in the West? All this could only have been done by a very high-ranking mongrel.
  34. 0
    29 February 2024 13: 14
    Another attempt at futures about relations with China. The stronger we are, the easier it will be for us to build relations with China, and with other non-Western powers. But when it comes to building relations with the West, there is only a bet on military force. Because everything else has already been destroyed and cannot be restored. The western head of the Eagle should be wearing a helmet, and the eastern head should be wearing academic glasses.
    1. -1
      29 February 2024 14: 30
      The future here is extremely simple: restoration of the army and military-industrial complex. And iron armor in both the West and the East. And take off the rose-colored glasses (of liberalism), which generally prevent us from living and seeing reality with both the West and China.