Degradation of the USSR under Brezhnev

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Degradation of the USSR under Brezhnev
Mikhail Suslov and Leonid Brezhnev on the podium of the Mausoleum on May 1, 1978.


Degradation of nomenclature


The degradation of the country, launched by Khrushchev, continued under Brezhnev (Simplification of the Brezhnev USSR and the first signs of degradation). It concerned society, the economy, national relations, demography, the destruction of the Russian countryside, the physical health of the nation (for example, the development of mass drunkenness), etc. But no radical decisions or reforms were made to solve these problems. Kosygin’s economic reform was curtailed, fearing its “radicalism.” And the problems began to accumulate, complement each other, and get worse. New ones also appeared.



The Soviet elite and nomenklatura also began to disintegrate. Almost the entire leadership of the country consisted of figures of the same generation as Brezhnev (born in 1906). These were nominees of the 1930s, many had the Great Patriotic War school behind them. They reached important positions in the Politburo and government at a respectable age and continued to grow old in the Soviet Olympus. The Soviet gerontocracy (from Greek - “the power of the old people”) emerged. If under Stalin the average age of Politburo members was about 50 years, then under Brezhnev it reached over 70.

The old people did not want any changes. For them, communism has already arrived. They could live peacefully, without shocks, pace, and fully enjoy life, privileges and honor. The change of leadership was frozen. Higher positions became virtually lifelong. They left for the next world, either due to a serious illness. Medical care for the party elite was excellent, and they began to live longer.

The ruling elite received guarantees of personal security. Even under Khrushchev, State Security agencies were prohibited from collecting information about members of the Politburo, as well as applying any punitive measures (arrests, executions) against them. Under Brezhnev, a guarantee of position in society appeared. Naturally, many tried to promote their children, grandchildren, other relatives, friends and acquaintances.

Those who did not cope with their jobs were not demoted, dismissed or punished. For example, if the director of a plant failed to cope with his duties, then under Stalin he would have been punished (according to the formula - “are you a fool or an enemy?”). Under Brezhnev, he was transferred to another enterprise for a similar position; if he “messed up” there, he was transferred to another place, no lower, and so on until retirement. This system has been completely reproduced in the Russian Federation, when “effective managers” are simply shuffled from place to place.


Chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR (1965–1977), member of the Politburo Nikolai Podgorny (1906–1983) in Tampere. Finland. 1969

"Cursed caste"


In the USSR, the party and state elite formed into an almost closed caste, inaccessible to outsiders. She lived in a parallel world, where everything was fine, communism came. A similar situation has developed in modern Russia. Therefore, many dignitaries are almost sincerely surprised and do not believe how ordinary people live on their salaries when they are informed about this.

Stalin was very afraid of this process and called this layer a “damned caste.” She lived in a “pink world”, isolated from the people. With a system of special supplies, special stores, special medical care, elite educational institutions.

Brezhnev's rule fully met the interests of this elite. Conservatism, predictability, absence of breakdowns and revolutions. Of course, intrigue and court struggle have not gone away. But it all happened quietly, behind the scenes, almost at home. First, the chairman of the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR, Podgorny, who was considered the second most influential member of the Politburo after Brezhnev, was pushed out of power. He aspired to power, criticized the economy's bias towards heavy industry, and was against gas exports to Western countries. Then Brezhnev sidelined Kosygin, who tried to modernize the economy with his reform.

This whole struggle was not brought to congresses and plenums, and was not accompanied by scandals, “purges” and arrests of the losers, or a shake-up of the party and state apparatus. The losers were simply and quietly transferred to less significant positions, or retired for health reasons, without being deprived of any awards or privileges.

Party congresses turned into ceremonial events. Long reports were heard, similar to previous reports, of little interest to anyone. The five-year plans were declared completed. The following plans were adopted. Everyone voted unanimously in favor, electing the leadership proposed by the same leadership.

When Soviet oil and gas flowed from the oil and gas pipelines built to Western Europe, giving the country billions of foreign currency, the economic transformation that had begun stalled altogether. The urgent need for reforms disappeared, and they were curtailed. It was calmer that way. Then Brezhnev and his team floated by inertia.


National characteristics of Ukrainian outskirts


At the same time, a “bending” developed in relation to the national Ukrainian republics, which had already developed under Khrushchev. They were developed as a priority. At the expense of the former Great Russian provinces, the Russian people. First of all, resources and personnel went to the national outskirts.

For example, the Baltic states, which before the USSR was a remote, agrarian province of Europe, were turned into a “showcase of the USSR.” Residents of the Baltic republics are accustomed to a special attitude that “they are Europe,” and all around is a scoop. Not realizing that their “showcase” was created through the efforts of the entire Soviet people. That without the resources and market of the USSR they are simply a remote periphery, both of Europe and of Russia.

In the Baltics, life was freer. While intensified anti-religious propaganda was carried out in schools of the RSFSR (under Khrushchev, a new wave of religious persecution began), churches and houses of worship operated quietly in the Baltic republics.

In the sphere of trade, small-scale production and agriculture in the Baltic states, Central Asia and Transcaucasia, a genuine NEP reigned. There were cooperative enterprises and shops. Estonia has retained a “family” connection with neighboring Finland. Cooperators brought from there goods that were in short supply in the USSR and resold them. To buy them, any resident of Estonia could join a cooperative. Special models of agriculture were in effect. Collective farms had greater independence and earned good money. In the Caucasus and Central Asia, citizens had large gardens, personal plots, traded fruits, vegetables, etc. Life was easier and more satisfying.

Development of nationalism


For some reason, these privileges did not extend to the RSFSR. That is, already then conditions were created for the division of the USSR into national apartments. The local residents were taught their “peculiarity” by the Russians. They say that Russians have dirt, decay, dullness and wretchedness. They don't know how to do anything and get drunk. Therefore, Ukraine will live well without Moscow, there will be more lard and vodka. The Baltic states will prosper even more separately from the USSR, etc.

All conditions were created for the development of the small-town intelligentsia, infected with nationalism. Nationalism itself, of course, could not be openly propagated, but it was not persecuted in the national Ukrainian outskirts. Therefore, at the local level in the Baltic states or Western Ukraine, the “Russian Muscovites” were already hated. An amnesty for seasoned “forest brothers” and Banderaites played a big role in this, many of whom quickly changed their colors and took important local positions in the party, state apparatus and economy.

Such features flourished in Central Asia and Transcaucasia. In particular, there was no religious persecution here either. People calmly visited mosques and, in Georgia and Armenia, Christian churches. Even party officials were baptized and baptized their children. In Russia and Belarus they would pay for this with party cards. Already then, pockets of Islamism were appearing in Central Asia, which the external enemies of the USSR would try to exploit during the war in Afghanistan.

On the outskirts, opportunities for personal enrichment remained. This was also legal trade: tangerines, grapes, watermelons, wool, etc. were sold to the state at good prices. Representatives of the southern republics had the opportunity to conduct profitable trade in the markets of Russian regions, expanded their network of influence, and organized a system for transporting goods. This is how fortunes and shadow capital were made, and connections were established that would be useful in the future. This later became the basis for the dominance of ethnic groups in Russian markets. The Russians were not given such special conditions.


Leonid Brezhnev and Alexey Kosygin on the podium of the Mausoleum. May 1, 1980 Author: V. G. Musaelyan

Development of party spirit and bureaucracy


A characteristic feature of the era was strict partisanship. The ideologist Suslov, who became the eminence grise of the USSR, in the absence of clear goals and prospects, tried to preserve the ideology, Marxism-Leninism, in order to preserve the unity of the party and the people. Marxism was harshly enforced. In various institutions, all the walls were covered with visual propaganda, a lot of time was spent on political conversations, political information, party and Komsomol events, classes on Marxism-Leninism, taking notes on “primary sources”, numerous speeches by Brezhnev, materials of congresses, plenums, etc. And this was already a formality.

In the new Brezhnev constitution of 1977, for the first time, the role of the party was legally defined as “a leading and directing force, the “political core of society.” Even under Stalin there were no such definitions.

The quality of management was falling, the party was strengthened through its significant growth. Joining it was important for career development, for increasing social status and authority in society. If in 1952 there were about 7 million people in the Communist Party, then by 1980 there were more than 18 million. The quality of the party only worsened. Membership in the Communist Party has largely become a formality. Communists paid dues and participated in meaningless party meetings. At the same time, people had a good education and saw window dressing, fraud, that the documents often did not correspond to reality. Therefore, many learned to live by “double standards”: at meetings they listened and said one thing, but at home and with their comrades they said something else.

Therefore, when the USSR collapses, millions of communists will be completely indifferent to this process. They won't pick it up weapon, in order to crush the still rather small rats, traitors, and save the Soviet Motherland. In much the same way, millions of Christians in an officially Orthodox country watched how, after the revolution of 1917, a small number of revolutionaries and atheists would destroy churches and drive out priests. No one will care. There was no longer any essence in the official church, as well as in official communism, only an empty form.


Konstantin Chernenko, Leonid Brezhnev, Andrei Gromyko. 1980 Author: V. G. Musaelyan

The concept of “developed socialism”


Khrushchev promised the people that in 20 years the Soviet people would live under communism. But it quickly became clear that this was a pipe dream with such a policy. Then they came up with the concept of building “developed socialism” in the USSR. Like, this is a transitional stage on the path from socialism to communism.

The 1977 constitution stated that the state had fulfilled the tasks of the dictatorship of the proletariat and had become national. That a new one has been created historical community - the Soviet people. That a society of highly organized, ideological, and conscious workers has emerged, “the law of life is the concern of everyone for the welfare of each and the concern of each for the welfare of all.”

“Developed socialism” was declared a long-term stage that will be improved in the foreseeable future. It became clear to many that this was an imitation of vigorous activity, verbiage. This led to apathy, indifference, and spiritual emptiness. Old ideals were crumbling, but there were no new ones. In their place came the Soviet analogue of Western consumer society, that is, materialism.

In addition, Brezhnev’s cult of personality was promoted. There was just no personality. Brezhnev himself was a normal person, he was not a dictator or a villain, he had services to the country. But the cult was caricatured and senile. The Secretary General was showered beyond measure with the highest awards of the USSR, socialist and friendly countries. For example, seven Orders of Lenin, five Stars of Hero of the USSR and Hero of Socialist Labor, the highest military order of Victory, the title of Marshal of the USSR, etc. Three books written on behalf of Brezhnev were published in huge millions of copies, studied throughout the country, etc. .

Personally, Brezhnev really did a lot for the USSR and the people. Therefore, ordinary people remembered this era with kindness. But the Secretary General became decrepit and was seriously ill. In the later period, he simply “rested on his laurels.” He loved comfort, peace, and quiet family life. Respect for the authorities and the party was lost. Peace became stagnation, which led the USSR to disaster.


Leonid Brezhnev at the Artek pioneer camp. 1979 Author: V. G. Musaelyan
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  1. -4
    15 February 2024 05: 10
    Peace became stagnation, which led the USSR to disaster.
    Dead - from the word peace...
    1. -6
      15 February 2024 05: 19
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Peace became stagnation, which led the USSR to disaster.
      Dead - from the word peace...

      from the word rest...
    2. -19
      15 February 2024 07: 34
      The USSR was full of resources, but little was actually done for the people.
      -It was full of wool, silk, cotton, but they didn’t make normal fabrics and clothes. I remember there were always some idiotic discussions on TV (already late USSR), whether it was necessary to build new weaving plants and clothing factories, create means of production in the form of sewing equipment And the stores were filled with bad, tasteless clothes that no one bought.
      There was simply a whole system of the cult of scarcity, when the state bought the same jeans in the CMEA countries or in India and sold them to their population for 40-50 rubles. And then these pants already appeared on the black markets for 100-200 rubles.
      I bought my first travel jeans for 300 rubles; this was 1983. Which was then 2.5 times an engineer’s salary. That is. the state brazenly speculated and condoned speculation. And so it was in everything.
      -Under Nikita, there was food, but under Brezhnev, sausage became scarce, meat became scarce, queues became a ubiquitous phenomenon. Standing in queues, our people cursed this entire system and its leaders.
      as the great Lenin said, “he who owns food owns power.”
      Why not live on special rations and have permission to enter “through the back porch” of any store?
      But this has always been the case, and this order began with Lenin. Party members and punitive authorities received special rations, and the rest of the people died of hunger. Or how under Stalin they robbed the people in the form of Torgsinov, where everything was for currency or for gold. How to call such a system? Only as a predatory one.
      Tons of gold were sent to the Comintern, which was taken from the people.
      Separately about Soviet “culture”. This whole pseudo-culture, which was called “Soviet”, was created in contrast to the Russian culture, which was being destroyed, there was a Russian culture, it became Soviet. There were no longer Russians at the head of cultural departments and ministries. And in the time of Brezhnev, the people were simply I vomited from all sorts of flames, zykins and the like. But Western culture began to flourish, records of Western fashion groups began to be used, which cost exorbitant amounts of money, during my studies at the institute in 1981-86, vinyl with some kind of Yurahip, Dupapple or Mercury was worth imagine - 120 rubles, the same as an engineer’s salary. That is. engineering work was relegated by the state below all respect.
      I don’t think, looking at this bacchanalia, that it happened spontaneously, of course. All this abomination, which was called “socialism,” was PLANNED and the collapse of the USSR was planned under Lenin, who created a patchwork USSR from the monolithic Republic of Ingushetia.
      But how they achieved this for hundreds of years, steadily preparing the great tragedy of the Russian people, is another question, the picture is already clear in general, who they are and what they did.
      1. +19
        15 February 2024 08: 10
        To buy jeans for 300 rubles, of course you had to try...
        1. -12
          15 February 2024 08: 12
          Try? No, that’s how everyone lived, some of them earned money in a construction brigade, some were given to them by their parents. That's what Levi Strauss were called.
          1. +17
            15 February 2024 08: 17
            At that time I bought a pair of jeans - one in Riga, at a second-hand store for 100 rubles, the second in a regular village store and also for 100 rubles. By the way, you could find a lot of scarce things in rural stores back then.
            1. -1
              15 February 2024 08: 18
              Well, yes, there were Indian Avis pants - such rubbish.
              1. +7
                15 February 2024 08: 24
                You're wrong, they were normal jeans. By the way, whoever understood these matters organized special tours to remote villages.
                1. +8
                  15 February 2024 09: 56
                  At that time, the population was rewarded for donating agricultural products from private plots to the state. Let's take milk, for example. In stores it cost about 30 kopecks per liter, and from the population they bought it for about 36 kopecks, depending on the region, the difference was compensated by the state. Potatoes were purchased for 20 kopecks per kg, the price was normal. The cattle procurement offices also purchased them at normal prices. Scarce goods could be purchased in exchange for donated products; the district administration sold them to rural stores, but in the city these goods were in short supply. It ended with the Urozhai-90 checks. With these checks you could buy a lot of things, including a car without waiting in line. But everything collapsed, for a long time afterwards the state was paying off these checks, I don’t know if it paid off completely. Something like this.
                2. +4
                  15 February 2024 15: 12
                  I have an aunt (my mother’s brother’s wife), when she came to visit my mother, she ended up at a local agricultural farm (but this was in the MSSR) and there was such a shortage of clothes that they bought almost all of it, and the people looked at her like she was a fool, they say why did I throw away so much money on some rags. and she was happy because there was more shortage in one store than in her entire region
              2. +3
                15 February 2024 20: 35
                I remember these Avis jeans were dyed a rich blue color.
                Like in the joke about cowards)
            2. +11
              15 February 2024 09: 52
              1984, Taiwanese jeans cost 100 rubles, Indian Avis 70 rubles, Montana from hands 120 rubles.
              1. -3
                16 February 2024 06: 45
                lies, lies, lies...
                1. +3
                  16 February 2024 07: 52
                  At that time they probably walked under the table
            3. +5
              15 February 2024 14: 46
              1976-Levi Straus-150, in 1977 in Yalta the “South” had a Wrangler 120, a Lee-400 suit returned from the army, even the fashion was for the groom to wear a denim suit for a wedding, and then somehow they went to Perevalnoye to visit the blacks, the future revolutionaries combined pleasant and useful, and so the problem of buying gradually disappeared. I remember Leonid Ilyich with a warm feeling, there was calm and confidence, it turns out they were laughing in vain
              1. +4
                16 February 2024 14: 19
                Before Brezhnev's death, bury him with his back up.
                -?
                - the time will come, you’ll dig it up, you’ll kiss it
          2. +5
            16 February 2024 09: 51
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            Try? No, that’s how everyone lived, some of them earned money in a construction brigade, some were given to them by their parents. Exactly Levi Strauss were called.
            To buy Levi Staraus (Lewis) for three hundred rubles, you need to be a Bombay sucker... Original Levis, from overseas sailors, after repurchasing the farce was from the most inveterate black marketeers in Sevastopol... for 250 rubles. And no one bought... Yes, you were heated up a lot...
        2. WFP
          0
          16 February 2024 12: 30
          Don't talk nonsense. In the 80s, everyone was overwhelmed with Levis, Montanas and Wranglers. In stores they cost 100-120 rubles.
          Until 1982 - yes, then these jeans cost up to 200 rubles. And not in stores.
      2. +10
        15 February 2024 08: 43
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        I bought my first travel jeans for 300 rubles, it was 1983. What was it then? 2.5 salaries an engineer.

        Why not ten salaries? Are you embarrassed? My father, a radio engineer, had a salary of 350 rubles, my mother worked there as a simple radio traffic controller and received 250 a month. We got jeans for 100-150 rubles. And Indian Avis were generally sold in stores (not freely).
        1. -2
          16 February 2024 06: 51
          What kind of nonsense is “the engineer received -350 rubles”? Only if he held a leadership position as director or chief engineer.
          My father was a builder and foreman and retired at SIXTY years old with a salary of -180 rubles. This is 1980.
          My mother worked as the chief economist at coal supply and retired with a salary of also 180 rubles. in 85
          1. WFP
            +5
            16 February 2024 12: 35
            Don’t throw around your salaries here. In addition to the salary, there was also a quarterly bonus in the USSR. And the 13th salary based on the results of the year. It’s better to take your father’s foreman’s party card and see how much money he used to pay his dues. Well, of course, no one can estimate the profit from the “leftist” here.
          2. +1
            16 February 2024 12: 46
            What kind of nonsense is “the engineer received -350 rubles”?
            In the radio industry this is quite a possible option. The salary of a leading engineer is 200-220 rubles. depending on the company. Together with bonuses, plus additional payments for improvement proposals, it is not regularly but often possible, but you have to be a good engineer and the working day in this case will be irregular, plus weekends are often the same as working days, plus business trips.
            But a REA traffic controller receives 250 a month - this is the fourth category maximum. The more qualified received significantly more.
            after repurchasing, the farce was available from the most inveterate black marketeers in Sevastopol...for 250 rubles.
            Here the key word is in Sevastopol, and somewhere in Izhevsk (for example), where it is far from the sea, just 300 will work out. Izhevsk black marketeers also want to eat.
        2. 0
          April 23 2024 04: 21
          Why not ten salaries? Are you embarrassed? My father, a radio engineer, had a salary of 350 rubles, my mother worked there as a simple radio traffic controller and received 250 a month.
          In Chukotka, my father (driver on a winter road) in 1980 received 900 rubles, my mother (merchandise specialist) earned 550-650 rubles......
      3. Tim
        +6
        15 February 2024 09: 00
        What a great post for the sake of clothes, original.
        [/quote]I don’t think, looking at this bacchanalia, that it happened spontaneously, of course. All this abomination, which was called “socialism,” was PLANNED and the collapse of the USSR was planned under Lenin, who created a patchwork USSR from the monolithic Republic of Ingushetia.[quote]

        Here I bent laughing
        1. +2
          15 February 2024 15: 15
          but he is right, it was the communist revolutionaries who created the state in such a way that it would collapse and interethnic conflicts would begin.
          that is why 404 gave away so much land, and then the revanchist from the Trotskyists, Khrushchev, also gave away our lands to the Kazakhs.
          PS the USSR was smart in 1953, after that it was no longer the USSR but its ghost
          1. +2
            16 February 2024 23: 15
            No, he is wrong, and neither are you. The Bolsheviks did not actually create this patchwork quilt, but pieced it together. During the civil war, Poland, Finland, Ukraine, the Baltic states, all of Transcaucasia, Central Asia, Siberia and the Far East separated. In parts, where they conquered, where they agreed (with a good word and a pistol), where it no longer worked out (Poland, Finland, the Baltic states - although there were also many Bolsheviks and revolutionaries there, but the actual occupation by Germany had its say, and some revolutionaries were shot, some in He fled Russia - there were quite a few of them, including in the leadership).
          2. 0
            19 February 2024 00: 00
            Khrushchev did not transfer anything to the Kazakhs. The border of Kazakhstan and the RSFSR at the end of Stalin’s reign and under Khrushchev is the same, with minor changes in favor of the RSFSR, but just small ones, at the level of part of the territory of several village councils. Khrushchev, on the contrary, wanted to transfer the Virgin Lands from Kazakhstan to the RSFSR at the end of his reign. Under Khrushchev, the real changes were the borders between Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.
        2. -1
          16 February 2024 06: 52
          I didn’t even see that half the message wasn’t about clothes.
      4. +10
        15 February 2024 09: 17
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        , during my studies at the institute in 1981-86, vinyl with some kind of Yurahip, Dupapple or Mercury cost, imagine -120 rubles, like an engineer’s salary. That is. engineering work was relegated by the state below all respect.

        If you find a normal sucker, you could get him for 200.
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        I bought my first travel jeans for 300 rubles; it was 1983.

        Damn, what a pity that I didn’t meet you at that time. Otherwise, in Brest I gave jeans to resellers for 45-50, although that was two years later. Yes, and the vinyl also went away in small ways. I remember the first two albums (discs) from Moden Talking, in December 1986, I sold something for 50 rubles... In Novosibirsk... Where did you get such crazy prices? I don’t know about food under Nikita. But as his mother, remembering my grandparents, I will remain silent. I remember Brezhnev's time well. Sausage began to disappear from stores after his death, closer to 1983... But when I came from the State Military District, in 1986, on vacation, home to Novosibirsk, I was shocked. There is nothing except pollock and tomato juice. but the most interesting thing at the same time in Brest was like under Leonid Ilyich - everything. And there were no queues for vodka like in Russia. in Ukraine it was the same, this is according to the recollections of my colleagues..
        Quote: Waterways 672
        At that time I bought a pair of jeans - one in Riga, at a second-hand store for 100 rubles, the second in a regular village store and also for 100 rubles. By the way, you could find a lot of scarce things in rural stores back then.

        Before the army, I worked on a tractor, raising steam. I bought Indian jeans in a general store for about forty years, a Montana sweatshirt, somewhere around a quarter... No, of course, you could buy it for more, if you had the “desire.” Go to a flea market, everything is the same, but two or three times more expensive. Only considering that I needed jeans for wearing, and not for squirming. That’s why I didn’t spend two salaries on clothes. It’s like now people boast about what kind of car they used to have, before jeans. It was cool to sell a Montana or a Wrangler for half the price, you’re a happy person, and you’re with the money. You won’t tell him that these are “original Polish”. Like now, the best French cognacs are made in Poland. The same Taiwanese Cassio watch, 16 melodies, + calculator. in 25-30 they were gone, although this “Western quality” lasted for a maximum of two months. If you compare it with our own Electronics... But how can you... wear “Electronics” under the Polish “Levi S”. “Kimry” sneakers, 3 years without being demolished, and take the same Adidas, for a season at most... So who started to bow to the West and cry that there are no beautiful things? Golden, or rather, ate intelligentsia... Yes, there were not so many varieties of sausage in stores at that time as there are now, but the truth is that not even hungry dogs eat all of the current “abundance”...
        1. man
          +2
          15 February 2024 19: 48
          If you find a normal sucker, you could get him for 200.

          Damn, what a pity that I didn’t meet you at that time. Otherwise, in Brest I gave jeans to resellers for 45-50, although that was two years later. Yes, and the vinyl also went away in small ways. I remember the first two albums (discs) from Moden Talking, in December 1986, I sold something for 50 rubles each... In Novosibirsk...

          I thought that the military was going to VO, but here it turned out to be speculators smile
          1. +3
            16 February 2024 02: 19
            Quote: mann
            I thought that the military was going to VO,

            I thought the same thing 12 years ago. It turned out that there are very few of us military men here.
            1. man
              0
              16 February 2024 09: 10
              Quote: Fitter65
              Quote: mann
              I thought that the military was going to VO,

              I thought the same thing 12 years ago. It turned out that there are very few of us military men here.

              Well, of course, I understood that there would be few active ones, they had no time for this, but I hoped for retirees and pennies. I’m interested in the opinion of professionals, I also watch propaganda channels on TV, only when I see the military do I recognize them in civilian life. But they are mostly modest people, they are given little to say, and are constantly interrupted by professional talkers (((. Only Gurulev is fighting them smile But I’m still most interested in the opinion of military officers from the military
          2. +2
            16 February 2024 05: 44
            Quote: mann
            there were speculators here

            By the way, why the speculators? Nowadays it is called a good kind word - entrepreneurs. As one humorist said... For example, I got a thing for 100 rubles, sold it for 400, and I live on this 3%. Just for fun, I had to buy limit switches for work (let’s just say a radio component) on Avito it costs 7 rubles 90 kopecks = 10 pcs. Well, it’s about time, but it turns out it should have been yesterday. Here.. We went to the nearest specialized store, and there are such limit switches, one to one for the price of 81 rubles = 1 piece. And you say that there were speculators in the USSR? She was just a funny kid... laughing
            1. man
              0
              16 February 2024 09: 17
              As one humorist said... For example, I got a thing for 100 rubles, sold it for 400, and I live on this 3%.
              This comedian apparently skipped arithmetic at school. Not 3%, but 300%
              1. 0
                16 February 2024 10: 16
                Quote: mann
                This comedian apparently skipped arithmetic at school. Not 3%, but 300%

                He simply voiced the humoresque of one famous author. Humor, satire, do you understand what they are like? Although .... hi
                1. man
                  0
                  16 February 2024 10: 38
                  Quote: Fitter65
                  Quote: mann
                  This comedian apparently skipped arithmetic at school. Not 3%, but 300%

                  He simply voiced the humoresque of one famous author. Humor, satire, do you understand what they are like? Although .... hi

                  That's what I said about the satirist... And today's bohemians generally love to boast about their ignorance of mathematics. And my favorite subjects were mathematics and physics....
            2. +1
              16 February 2024 12: 51
              for work it was necessary to purchase limit switches (let’s just say a radio component) on Avito it costs 7 rubles 90 kopecks = 10 pcs.
              There is a small correction here, on Avito the origin of this end switch is very vague, the seller could have it, so to speak, completely free of charge. wink
          3. +1
            16 February 2024 09: 58
            Quote: mann
            I thought that the military was going to VO, but here it turned out to be speculators

            Many of those writing on VO were young at that time... Everyone wore jeans. This is how fashion developed during this period in the USSR. And, no matter how anyone wrote, they were not particularly available for free sale. And we had to save up, buy from resellers (fartsy speculators). There was a terrible shortage of many goods during this period. Artificial or not. but there was . So they were spinning.
            1. man
              -1
              16 February 2024 10: 29
              Quote: 30 vis
              Quote: mann
              I thought that the military was going to VO, but here it turned out to be speculators

              Many of those writing on VO were young at that time... Everyone wore jeans. This is how fashion developed during this period in the USSR. And, no matter how anyone wrote, they were not particularly available for free sale. And we had to save up, buy from resellers (fartsy speculators). There was a terrible shortage of many goods during this period. Artificial or not. but there was . So they were spinning.

              Yes I remember smile And I also bought jeans. True, not at such crazy prices, a maximum of 140 rubles. But it’s one thing to buy, and another to resell. And this is already a crime, there was an article for speculation! Yes, my father would kill me if I broke the law! Although no, he was already a civilian and he no longer had a pistol, only a dirk smile Stalin's generation...
        2. ANB
          +1
          15 February 2024 23: 38
          . Sneakers "Kimry", 3 years without demolition

          Where can you buy regular Soviet boots with micropores now?
          Without fur and other crap, but with thick soles and worn normally, not in season.
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      6. +2
        15 February 2024 10: 50
        For one inventor there are a dozen co-authors.
        1. man
          +1
          16 February 2024 09: 52
          Quote from Fedot
          For one inventor there are a dozen co-authors.

          This became almost the rule in the 80s, unfortunately, we even got used to it and didn’t complain. Moreover, it also happened when the real author of the invention were not included in the list at all laughing . I myself have encountered such super impudence twice! To be fair, the management had nothing to do with it, both times it was the initiative of more senior and experienced employees and the issue could have been easily resolved even through middle management. But a quarrel with the older person in the room could cost you more in the future... I decided that the game was not worth the candle, just think, we’ll come up with something else smile
          In Soviet times, I was very lucky to have people, can you imagine, these two episodes were the only vile acts I encountered before capitalism! But then...
      7. +1
        15 February 2024 12: 40
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        Under Nikita, there was food, but under Brezhnev, sausage became scarce, meat became scarce, queues became a ubiquitous phenomenon.

        Seriously? bully My father told me how he stood in line for milk at 5 am...
        Perhaps in Moscow and other Ukraine, the Baltic states - but not in Siberia or the Urals... request
        1. +1
          15 February 2024 18: 19
          in Ukraine there was more food mainly due to subsidiary farms, but there was no abundance in stores either. mainly in markets where prices were approximately the same as now compared to salaries
      8. +3
        15 February 2024 13: 02
        Quote: Trinitrotoluene
        1981-86 vinyl with some kind of Yurahip, Dupapple or Mercury cost, imagine -120 rubles

        As they say, at the market, any thing is worth as much as ... uh ... an eccentric is willing to pay for it.
      9. -1
        16 February 2024 03: 15
        [quote=Trinitrotoluene]I bought my first travel jeans for 300 rubles, this was 1983. Which was then 2.5 times an engineer’s salary.[/quote]
        Yeah, my uncle, an engineer, had saved up four and a half thousand before the collapse of the USSR. [quote] Under Brezhnev, sausage became in short supply.
        Yeah, every day I came home and fried eggs and sausage.

        [quote]during my studies at the institute in 1981-86, vinyl with some kind of Yurahip, Dupapple or Mercury cost, imagine -120 rubles, like an engineer’s salary.[/quote]You’re brilliant!
        1. -1
          16 February 2024 06: 34
          The USSR was a country of victorious non-Russians, so the standard of living was different for different nationalities.
          "...why is he a swindler, people just know how to live"
      10. -2
        16 February 2024 08: 36
        I agree, the brainchild of the terrorist Ulyanov Lenin, created under the leadership of enemy intelligence services, had no future.
        1. +1
          16 February 2024 15: 03
          Quote: realist
          terrorist Ulyanov Lenin

          Looks like his brother was a terrorist request , otherwise I agree...
          1. -1
            19 February 2024 15: 05
            both my brother and he are both terrorists. The change of the current government is not a constitutional way....
      11. 0
        18 February 2024 11: 59
        Well, under Brezhnev there was no sausage and meat, there was a real shortage... But under Khrushchev there was no normal bread, but there was a queen of the fields.
        1. 0
          18 February 2024 12: 02
          Quote: pin_code
          But under Khrushchev there was no normal bread, but there was a queen of the fields.

          There was bread. I bought it myself for 16 kopecks.
          1. 0
            18 February 2024 12: 05
            This means not everywhere and not always. In the North Kazakhstan region in rural areas, more corn was sold at that time.
            1. -1
              18 February 2024 12: 12
              Quote: pin_code
              This means not everywhere and not always. In the North Kazakhstan region in rural areas, more corn was sold at that time.
              I had two grandfathers.
              . The first raised pigs, and the second had six goats.
      12. 0
        22 February 2024 23: 09
        Monolith??? Seriously, during the union a lot was done and no wars were lost, crunchy baker (if from St. Petersburg).
        1. +1
          22 February 2024 23: 11
          they didn’t lose the war, but the Russian lands were simply given away to the Russians during the revolution, after the war and during the collapse of the USSR.
      13. 0
        April 16 2024 17: 13
        Under Nikita, there was food, but under Brezhnev, sausage became scarce, meat became scarce, queues became

        You seem to have missed the Khrushchev era if you say so. But I remember how in 62 my mother stood in line for bread, which was given half a loaf per person. But under Brezhnev until 80, when the Secretary General was still active, the food supply was tolerable. and Russia was ultimately ruined by its system of vertical power, in which everything essentially depends on one person - its tsar, general secretary, and now president. Who had and still have absolute power. Therefore, for Russia it was always roulette. A good, capable, active, patriotic king came to power; the country is developing, growing stronger, and progressing. Examples: Ivan the Terrible, Peter 4, Catherine 1, Stalin. And vice versa, when tsars like Nicholas II, Gorbachev, Yeltsin, and even Putin are in power, Russia degrades, collapses, plunges into chaos and ruin. Therefore, in order for Russia to get rid of such risks, it is necessary to abolish the absolute power of our Tsar-President. This power must have a real and working system of counterbalances. which will allow the country to move in the right direction regardless of who is at the very top. This is how it happens, for example, in the USA. The president there now suffers from senile dementia, but for the country as a whole this is not critical. The state is developing and its economy continues to strengthen.
        1. 0
          April 16 2024 18: 01
          Quote: wladimirjankov
          But I remember how in 62 my mother stood in line for bread, which was given half a loaf per person.


          I was born in 1963 and I can only evaluate the trend, where it started and what ended up happening. In our family there was always something on the table. I remember my mother and I went to a boarding house in Issyk-Kul, and so he bought us a box of hunting sausages. There were some in the stores and condensed milk and condensed cream and coffee and cocoa. And suddenly it became hard to sweat in the stores, in order to buy something I had to run away from work and stand in line in the stores, my mother came home completely exhausted.
          This is exactly how it was, from the fact that it was something until there was nothing. Therefore, under Khrushchev it was better than under Brezhnev.
          Brezhnev is a traitor - he conspired with the Americans for American cars.

          Quote: wladimirjankov
          Examples: Ivan the Terrible, Peter 4, Catherine 1, Stalin.


          There is no need to lump everything together - these are all different rulers, mostly tyrants and destroyers of the Russian people.
    3. 0
      18 February 2024 12: 42
      the degradation of everything began in 1985
  2. +20
    15 February 2024 05: 17
    Under Leonid Ilyich, the USSR reached its peak
    And with his death everything went downhill to where we are now...
    1. +10
      15 February 2024 05: 34
      They were already rolling in front of him. Showing off and verbiage flourished. Many of the current ones contributed to this, perhaps lived by it.
      1. +18
        15 February 2024 06: 26
        Quote: victor50
        Showing off and verbiage flourished.

        There was something to show and talk about, that is. They managed to rivet tens of thousands of tanks and other armored fighting vehicles. Let’s compare the build-up of industrial and military potential over 30 years, from 1955 to 1985, and from 1990 to 2020. And it turns out that everything more or less significant was set up precisely during the Khrushchev-Brezhnev period.
        It is a pity that the USSR was cut down on the threshold of the computer revolution. Soviet socialism did not have time to reach its peak. Shot down on takeoff, one might say.
        1. -13
          15 February 2024 07: 50
          What do you need tanks for? Why did tanks interfere with making clothes or sausage?

          This is a bad opinion that the army ate the state; in fact, it’s not about the army or space, which were also destroyed to please the Americans, but about the initially vicious Bolshevik idea and the system built on these criminal ideas.
          1. +10
            15 February 2024 07: 56
            Quote: Trinitrotoluene
            What do you need tanks for? Why did tanks interfere with making clothes or sausage?

            What the hell? There were tanks, clothes, and sausage. Moreover, under the “vicious and criminal” system, people were healthier than they are now. Paradox!
            1. -10
              15 February 2024 07: 57
              Perhaps you lived on the moon? Haven’t you heard about the deficit?
              1. +6
                15 February 2024 08: 01
                Trinitrotoluene Shortage of what? Have you lived on the moon? There is a real shortage of everything there))
                And I had enough of everything, even though I lived in the family of a simple engineer.
                1. -12
                  15 February 2024 08: 05
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  And I had enough of everything, even though I lived in the family of a simple engineer.

                  American engineer? How could you have enough if jeans cost -300 rubles, some kind of Yugoslav women's boots -60-80 rubles, a color TV cost -600 rubles, a first class SOYUZ tape recorder -111-600 rubles, and so everything was enough for you?
                  No need to lie.
                  1. +8
                    15 February 2024 08: 11
                    Trinitrotoluene Damn burnt, SOVIET engineer! He also wore Soviet jeans, bought in a store. They differed from imported ones in the absence of rivets, which did not bother me at all. 1981-1982, 9-10 grades of school. The "Electronics-311-stereo" tape recorder suited me when I connected normal speakers to it.
                    1. -4
                      15 February 2024 08: 15
                      Soviet jeans? Yes, they didn’t exist in principle. I remember how they appeared once, they were called Tver, they were swept away in six seconds and there were never more such pants.
                      1. +10
                        15 February 2024 08: 20
                        Were. And there was denim fabric in stores. Some boys from the class ordered one guy's mother to have jeans made to order. In general, there was a ton of fabric, and those who were not fools sewed clothes for themselves in the atelier. It was more difficult with shoes, but no one went barefoot. By the way, the shoes were leather. (Voronezh, if anything)
                  2. +12
                    15 February 2024 10: 00
                    American engineer? How could you have enough if jeans cost -300 rubles, some kind of Yugoslav women's boots -60-80 rubles, a color TV cost -600 rubles, a first class SOYUZ tape recorder -111-600 rubles, and so everything was enough for you?
                    No need to lie.


                    Why lie? Branded from hands 200 RUB. India, Greece in the store 100. Color TV depending on the class 450-700. Tape recorder, I had a "Mayak" about 200.
                    But how often did people buy household appliances? But I had to eat and pay housing and communal services regularly.
                    My first lieutenant's salary in the regiment was 282 rubles, plus food in the flight canteen, which was enough for me.
                    1. -4
                      15 February 2024 21: 30
                      Well, in your little world it may have been like that, but here in Tomsk we had exactly the same prices.
                      I served in the 39th Army of Mongolia in 86-88, I received TWO salaries - it was 500 rubles.
                      1. +1
                        16 February 2024 10: 58
                        Well, in your little world it may have been like that, but here in Tomsk we had exactly the same prices.


                        My “little world” extended to the entire USSR and beyond.

                        I served in the 39th Army of Mongolia in 86-88, I received TWO salaries - it was 500 rubles.


                        Somehow you lied. For two years, only conscripts served in Mongolia. Then what 500 rubles? Moreover, only one salary in Soviet money is in the account, the other is in the hands in local currency.
                        So, it’s either a cross or panties.
                        By the way, I was in Afghanistan in 1986-87. One salary with length of service (350) and a Trans-Baikal bonus, another “bare” (260), plus 270 checks.
                        At the end of 1988, the TsGV disappeared. There the bill is in rubles (360 - 60) and 2600 + 600 kroons in hand.
                      2. +1
                        18 February 2024 12: 17
                        The two-year students served, don’t you know?
                      3. 0
                        18 February 2024 13: 04
                        The two-year students served, don’t you know?


                        I also know that groups of troops did not send them, only those who decided to remain in the cadres.
                      4. 0
                        18 February 2024 12: 03
                        And who did you serve in Mongolia? Soldier, officer?
                      5. 0
                        18 February 2024 12: 15
                        soldier -500 rub. are you in the know?
                      6. +1
                        18 February 2024 13: 05
                        soldier -500 rub. are you in the know?


                        You are not in the subject, no one paid soldiers like that.
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                  3. 0
                    16 February 2024 03: 27
                    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                    , a color TV cost 600 rubles, a first class SOYUZ tape recorder cost 111-600 rubles, and so that was all enough for you?
                    No need to lie.

                    Once, while in the USSR, I bought four tape recorders.
                  4. +1
                    16 February 2024 12: 26
                    And jeans and boots and cultural goods were not bought every month.
                    Who forced you to buy jeans for 300 rubles? - pride, one of the main sins of Orthodoxy.
                2. 0
                  15 February 2024 12: 46
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  And I had enough of everything, even though I lived in the family of a simple engineer.

                  If it's not a secret, what city was such a scam in? hi
                  Quote: MBRBS
                  They differed from imported ones in the absence of rivets, which did not bother me at all.

                  Seriously? Even the Orbit fabric was a parody of denim, the rest is ridiculous to talk about... request
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Why lie? Branded from hands 200 RUB. India,

                  depends on the city - in Siberia, yes, and 300 or more... request
                  Quote: Stas157
                  Those imported jeans now cost 8-10 thousand.

                  Not at all, in the USA jeans cost 1997 bucks in 22, and the quality was superb.. request
                  And the ones you write about are not jeans, they are fashion request
                  1. +5
                    15 February 2024 15: 33
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    If it's not a secret, what city was such a scam in?

                    It’s no secret, and I’ve already written about this above - read more carefully!
                    And now a counter question: what did you miss in your city/village?
                    As for Soviet jeans, one of the shortcomings: there were no rivets, there were no labels, the fabric was thicker, stiffer and stronger, it was dyed better, so it did not peel off on the knees and butt (and this was fashionable)). Soviet jeans were worn twice as long, or even three times longer :)
                    1. -5
                      15 February 2024 15: 41
                      Quote: MBRBS
                      and I already wrote about this above - read more carefully!

                      so many letters instead of the name of the city, and it’s not polite... request
                      Quote: MBRBS
                      And now a counter question: what did you miss in your city/village?

                      I named my childhood city - Tomsk! As a child, everything was enough - I didn’t know any better, and my parents grew up in even worse conditions...
                      Your question is incorrect from the start! request It’s probably normal for you that in a country rich in resources, with hardworking people, we lived poorly... request
                      Quote: MBRBS
                      so it didn’t peel off on the knees and butt (and that was fashionable)).

                      do you have a self-prop hi
                      1. +5
                        15 February 2024 21: 49
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        in a country rich in resources, with hardworking people, we lived poorly...

                        This also bothered me a lot about 10 years ago. But now I understand that the policy “first construction and defense, and then consumer goods” was correct for our country. Actually, thanks to this policy we are alive now (and we can also afford to waste 300 lard dollars thanks to effective leadership :))
                        Let me remind you that until the 1980s we were catching up with the West in terms of industrial and military potential. But when they finally caught up, the Union was destroyed. And again we live poorly, despite all the natural goodies. It’s good that at least the tanks, power plants and apartments remain from the damned soviet. Therefore, we sit in flooded apartments, do not save electricity, and are relatively safe.
                        The only pity is that we are losing the gains of socialism, year after year.
                      2. +2
                        16 February 2024 15: 05
                        Quote: MBRBS
                        was true for our country

                        Quote: MBRBS
                        they caught up, and so the Union collapsed.

                        However, you have “logic”... request
                  2. 0
                    16 February 2024 11: 03
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    If it's not a secret, what city was such a scam in?

                    Not a secret. Novomoskovsk, Tula region.
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    Not at all, in the USA jeans cost 1997 bucks in 22, and the quality was superb..

                    Do you need it? My mother brought me Montana pants for 150 rubles.
                    1. 0
                      16 February 2024 15: 06
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Novomoskovsk,

                      chemists?
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      Do you need it?

                      I bought a pair - blue and white, wore them for about five years - the quality was good... ..
                3. +5
                  15 February 2024 19: 59
                  No one was starving - that’s for sure, and everyone was wearing shoes and clothes. Maybe not very fashionable. This upset some people, and judging by what happened later, it upset them a lot. The clothes turned out to be stronger than all the good things that happened in the USSR. The food was healthy, not like it is now, and affordable - that's for sure.
                  1. +1
                    16 February 2024 15: 18
                    Quote: victor50
                    The food was healthy

                    Have you read GOST for sausage? feel
                    Quote: victor50
                    and accessible

                    oh, how interesting - did you buy a lot of meat in stores? In Sverdlovsk they gave coupons for 800g of sausage and 400g of butter... the sausage was extremely specific, and the butter, if put in a frying pan, was divided into French... request
                    1. 0
                      21 February 2024 17: 13
                      I don’t know how it is in Sverdlovsk and when. But in the Sverdlovsk region, in SA, the oil was normal. And in general, this is the first time I’ve heard complaints about Soviet oil. Even in my small town it has always been there. And I would not compare its quality with any current ones. Obviously not in favor of today. Different weight categories. No one bought meat in the stores of our town. It was there... well, so-so. But everyone ate meat: they either kept the cattle or bought them at the market from those who kept them.
                      Do you still need negative facts about the USSR? I can think, find it, obviously you are sick without it! laughing
                      "Have you read GOST for sausage? feel Which one specifically? And which current one will you compare with? Are you one of those who believe that there were only galoshes? Or did the USSR deprive you of something else?! I ate milk from cows, meat from pigs and other livestock And not a single one from my class was exempted from service in the Armed Forces due to health reasons.
                      1. -2
                        22 February 2024 12: 58
                        Quote: victor50
                        like in Sverdlovsk and when.

                        1985-1991 You don’t know, but write - scoop itch? bully
                        Quote: victor50
                        Even in my small town it has always been there.

                        where I lived - Tomsk, Sverdlovsk - there weren’t any since the late 1970s.... in Sverdlovsk there were coupons, in Siberia - depending on your luck... request
                        Quote: victor50
                        Obviously not in favor of today. Different weight categories

                        Now it’s just different - there’s good stuff, there’s milk-free stuff. request
                        Quote: victor50
                        I can think, find it, obviously you are sick without it!

                        I believe that you don’t know how to think! request It doesn’t bother me - I just lived in the USSR as an adult and I know the reality... hi
                        Quote: victor50
                        Which one specifically?

                        GOST 23670-79
                        Quote: victor50
                        I ate milk from cows, meat from pigs and other livestock.

                        I'm happy for you! write more - your style is just some kind of miracle!
                        Quote: victor50
                        Are you one of those who believe that there were only galoshes?

                        Yes, there was a lot... so much that in 1991 no one went to defend the USSR... you too... hi
                      2. -1
                        28 February 2024 10: 37
                        I believe that you don’t know how to think! request doesn’t bother me - I just lived in the USSR as an adult and I know the reality... hi
                        If you lived in the USSR as an adult, then why are you citing facts only from the period of its collapse?
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        happy for you! write more - your style is just some kind of miracle!

                        I'm glad that you have good taste in literary Russian. Probably studied abroad in adulthood?! However, I doubt that you are able to understand this! laughing You are boring: you talk about objectivity, but in the standard way you look for all the negativity from the Soviet past, you cheat little by little, I think, and you won’t be embarrassed to lie. Farewell! hi
                      3. 0
                        28 February 2024 12: 05
                        Quote: victor50
                        oh why do you cite facts only from the period of its collapse?

                        the end of the matter is the crown... request in addition, I have stories about the life of close people in the USSR - parents and grandparents... it’s better not to talk about those periods at all - people lived very poorly for the most part, often from hand to mouth...
                        Quote: victor50
                        into literary Russian.

                        he is not literary, he is illiterate... hi
                        Quote: victor50
                        Probably studied abroad in adulthood?!

                        I have been and worked there many times, due to my specialty... hi
                        Quote: victor50
                        I think you won’t be ashamed to lie

                        I already wrote to you earlier that it’s not yours to think, but to slander your opponent is sacred to the scoop! bully
                        Quote: victor50
                        You’re cheating little by little, I think, and you won’t be ashamed to lie.

                        Can you provide the facts of my cheating or lies or will you leak them? feel
              2. +9
                15 February 2024 09: 31
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                What do you need tanks for? Why did tanks interfere with making clothes or sausage?

                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                Perhaps you lived on the moon? Haven’t you heard about the deficit?

                Just write to me, I really missed clothes and sausage. What jeans are you buying now? The same quality that people in the USSR were crazy about? Those imported jeans now cost 8-10 thousand. And then, this is a Chinese fake (made in China), and not the real ones!
                But the quality of Soviet non-imported jeans (which could be bought cheaply in a store) is clearly higher than the quality of the jeans that the majority of the population wears now. But at the same time, now no one is somehow worried about jeans - they take whatever is cheaper.

                As for the sausage, why didn’t you buy it from a co-op store or market? There you could take it without waiting in line. Expensive? And now, is high-quality sausage without chemicals and containing meat really cheap?
              3. +6
                15 February 2024 09: 39
                Quote: Trinitrotoluene
                Perhaps you lived on the moon? Haven’t you heard about the deficit?

                What about the shortage? Brains or imported goods? Of course, how can an intelligent person put vodka on the table, only real French cognac. And even more so, definitely bought through an acquaintance. True, there was no such brand of cognac in France, but it was not Made in the USSR. Finnish servelat. O-O-O... You bring “French” cognac from Poland from Szczecin, the neighbor’s moonshine is even better, but our “students” were whistling as much as the steam, and if you also present an empty bottle to the landlady, where is this “highly intellectual cream” If we were going to a party, there were no problems with where to spend the night during the first week of vacation... The queues were artificially created by Gorbachev's perestroika planners. Thank God I can compare. In Novosibirsk, until the fall of 83, the main products (not Finnish smoked meats, but French cognacs with crabs and other imported tinsel) were freely available. I’m coming to the Union in three years - dear mother... True, businessmen have everything, but it’s more expensive and not 2-3 times more expensive...
                1. +2
                  17 February 2024 01: 13
                  In Novosibirsk, until the fall of 83, the main products (not Finnish smoked meats, but French cognacs with crabs and other imported tinsel) were freely available.

                  There were no products in Novosibirsk stores in 83, except for bread and a limited assortment. You probably got the tenses mixed up. Somewhere until the end of the 70s, the food supply in the city was normal. Sausage, meat, chickens, butter, even, I remember, Bird's Milk candies and chocolate butter were freely available for sale. But then it got worse and worse. And in 83 I’m usually at 7-30 o’clock. In the morning (before school) I came to the grocery store with a can and a jar, stood in line to be guaranteed to buy bottled milk and sour cream. The store opened at 8-00, and by 8-30 o'clock. Usually there was nothing left to do, although sometimes there was still bottled kefir left. The shelves were completely lined with canned pollock in oil and tomato, tomato juice in cans, and caramel and toffee candies. There was sunflower oil, but also on tap, but an egg was always available (I often had to fry eggs after school). I remember those times very well. However, “not by bread alone”, there was much more “spiritual” (good teachers, positive heroes, books).
                  1. 0
                    17 February 2024 02: 37
                    Quote: Suvorov
                    There were no products in Novosibirsk stores in 83, except for bread and a limited assortment. You probably got the tenses mixed up.

                    I didn't mix anything up. in 1982 I entered the NIIVT, because Lenin Square, Shchetinina Square, Uchitelskaya and the railway station, the area was walked around and developed. everything is before our eyes. Yes, and my relatives lived on Chelyuskintsev, on B. Bogatkov, and on the Tower, on Stanislavsky. Until the fall of 1983 it was normal, there were chickens, eggs, milk and kefir... Then I joined the army, and when I came on leave at 86, I was very surprised. Now many of those department stores and grocery stores are no longer in existence...
          2. Tim
            +11
            15 February 2024 08: 56
            You only have clothes on your mind, and for this, someone like you is ready to lick the West’s bottom!!! am
            1. -8
              15 February 2024 09: 39
              Quote: Tima
              ready to lick the West's bottom
              Usually this is said by “picky assholes” who themselves don’t mind licking, but only reproach others for choosing the wrong ass. Yugoslav shoes were aesthetic, comfortable and durable. I didn’t have the Finnish one, but they say it was even better. The style of Soviet shoes was recognizable; in high school we called him “Mr. In the USSR there was no good shoe glue at all; an acquaintance who worked in shoe repair tried to buy Italian glue from speculators: due to this, he had many regular customers, because after its repair, the shoes lasted longer than new ones.
              1. Tim
                +10
                15 February 2024 10: 03
                Here's another deprived one, you walked around barefoot in bast shoes and torn pants. Now you’ve bought imported shoes, put on your pants and your life is good. It's funny to read your whining laughing
                1. -4
                  15 February 2024 10: 07
                  Quote: Tima
                  Now I bought imported boots... and your life is good
                  Chinese: light, comfortable, warm, cheap. My life generally depends little on clothes. I didn’t feel deprived, because most of my comrades wore approximately the same clothes and shoes; but I don’t like liars.
                2. -1
                  15 February 2024 12: 52
                  Quote: Tima
                  you walked barefoot in bast shoes and torn pants.

                  well, not bast shoes, but in rubber boots in muddy times, and in winter in felt boots - Tomsk, early 1970s and around all the kids from our yard (3 panel 5 floors) went for walks - they went to school in drape coats with a sheepskin fur collar and felt boots with rubber soles... almost everyone in the class wore them request
                  Quote: Tima
                  It's funny to read your whining

                  why whining? just true...
                  Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                  I didn’t feel deprived, because most of my comrades wore approximately the same clothes,

                  Exactly! But what's wrong with good clothes and shoes?
              2. +2
                15 February 2024 12: 47
                Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
                I didn’t have Finnish, but they say it was even better

                That's right, I wore a pair for several years...
              3. 0
                16 February 2024 11: 12
                You're a starball. The USSR had good glue.
          3. 0
            20 February 2024 10: 54
            Any system has its vices; does capitalism have a few of them? Yes, in my opinion, even more. There are no ideal systems.
        2. -5
          15 February 2024 15: 25
          building a couple of dozen models of military equipment is not the most difficult task because the equipment was simpler, the series was established and there were no problems with personnel. but the USSR failed to create a system that would be good in all areas
        3. 0
          15 February 2024 19: 54
          There was something to show, but blissful reports were already in demand at many levels.
        4. 0
          16 February 2024 08: 40
          there was a bias towards the production of means of production and military products. with TNP everything was not very good.
      2. +1
        15 February 2024 07: 23
        Quote: victor50
        They were already rolling in front of him.

        What is it like under Brezhnev, we are still living off Stalin’s reserves...

        It concerned society, the economy, national relations, demography, the destruction of the Russian countryside, the physical health of the nation (for example, the development of mass drunkenness), etc. But no radical decisions or reforms were made to solve these problems.

        Those who could not cope with their work were not demoted or dismissed... For example, if the director of a plant could not cope with his duties, then... he was transferred to another enterprise for a similar position,

        the party and state elite is developing into an almost closed caste, inaccessible to outsiders

        Yes, the USSR and Brezhnev are long gone, but...
    2. +2
      15 February 2024 14: 14
      I support, the only major mistake of Leonid Ilyich was that he did not leave the post of Secretary General on time in 74-75, he allowed himself to be persuaded
    3. +2
      15 February 2024 17: 38
      24rus. (Sergey). Today, 05:17. New. yours - "... Under Leonid Ilyich, the USSR reached its peak...." ..+ victor50. (Victor) .Today, 05:34 - "...They were already rolling under him. Showing off and verbiage flourished. Many of the current ones contributed to this, perhaps they lived by it."


      People. you are both RIGHT. The processes ran in parallel:
      1. power and capabilities. ( see the book "The Broken Sword of the Empire and other books by Maxim Kalashnikov." Moscow. edition Forum. 1999 good )
      2. but also decomposition... films such as “You are for me, I am for you” and the life itself of that period - the motto is “if you want to live, know how to spin”. About which there are many personal stories in the topic under discussion - traders - speculators and black marketeers who had a hand in the collapse of the country... fool bully
      R.S. It's simple. there was a constant NEGATIVE selection in the SU of the state... and disintegration in society... A critical turning point came with the arrival of Gorby... hi
  3. +11
    15 February 2024 05: 27
    The author forgets that Brezhnev was Stalin’s promoter, like the entire Brezhnev Politburo. It’s just that during Stalin’s time these people were still in second or even third roles. Gromyko, Ustinov, Suslov, etc. These were highly efficient people, not stupid or lazy, just like Comrade himself. Stalin, who spent almost all his time at work. Brezhnev was just as energetic and efficient before his illness. Of course, after the stroke, he would have had to leave and look after his grandchildren at the dacha, thereby he would have created a very good precedent for future General Secretaries and would have left a memory of himself as a good leader, which does not often happen in Rus'. But what happened, happened wink
    1. -6
      15 February 2024 09: 38
      It should be...... It should be something completely different.First, everyone needs to understand that it was not “we lived in the USSR,” because the state is part of society. And not vice versa.
      “We lived in the USSR” is a play on words.

      In fact, these laws of the USSR existed in our society for some time. Until it rejected them.

      Likewise, Christ lived for some time with his charter in Judea. And, by the way, the priests of that time hated Him most of all.

      And it would also be nice to understand that 33 years after the crucifixion, a big war with Rome began. With whom, before this, Judea kept trying to be “friends”. And no stone was left unturned, and the cretins and traitors themselves were scattered throughout the World.

      And we also need to congratulate everyone on this year. Because it's turning 33 years old.....
    2. -1
      15 February 2024 12: 54
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      These were highly efficient people, not fools or lazy people,

      the problem is that the system was like this - they tried to steer everyone - but why? Yes, they were afraid of people’s initiatives - capitalism seemed to be everywhere... the Chinese were not afraid and the result... request
  4. +14
    15 February 2024 05: 36
    The old people did not want any changes. For them, communism has already arrived. They could live peacefully, without shocks, pace, and fully enjoy life, privileges and honor. The change of leadership was frozen. Higher positions became virtually lifelong. They left for the next world, either due to a serious illness. Medical care for the party elite was excellent, and they began to live longer.

    The ruling elite received guarantees of personal security. Even under Khrushchev, State Security agencies were prohibited from collecting information about members of the Politburo, as well as applying any punitive measures (arrests, executions) against them. Under Brezhnev, a guarantee of position in society appeared. Naturally, many tried to promote their children, grandchildren, other relatives, friends and acquaintances.


    Find 10 differences from modern government...
    1. +3
      15 February 2024 06: 45
      Quote: Bacha
      Find 10 differences from modern government...

      What should you look for there? It is enough to compare the income levels, even official ones, of the then officials and the current ones, in relation to the minimum wage, for example. And fans of extreme sports can also watch videos from the series “He’s not Dimon for you,” produced by an extremist organization (mind me! Mind me! (I’m frantically baptizing!!!))
  5. +9
    15 February 2024 05: 44
    I don’t agree on many things, firstly, under Stalin, the standard of living of people was so low, especially in rural areas, that to consider this an achievement is, at the very least, an insult! Secondly, under Brezhnev, how many square meters of housing were introduced, how many huge enterprises were built, at least the same VAZ, the BAM, a gas pipeline to Europe, etc. were built, if the top management had carried out reforms according to Kosygin, then everything could I wish I could take a different path! Brezhnev's biggest mistake is that he listened to the conservatives in the mid-70s and did not reform the clumsy planned economy! Lukashenko was right when he said that the Union collapsed because people could not easily buy ordinary things
    1. +3
      15 February 2024 07: 53
      Quote: Aaandr
      Lukashenko was right when he said that the Union collapsed because people could not easily buy ordinary things

      You are not right. The USSR was destroyed by the party and “committee” nomenklatura, without whose permission even a mosquito was afraid to “fart” in the country.
      And the lack of household appliances, consumer goods and food caused the emergence of coupons and anxiety, which led to the coup. The people blindly believed that the pseudo-reformers wanted to change the state of things in the country for the benefit of the entire people. And this group decided that it was impossible to build communism in a single country in a short time, that there was only one life and it was necessary to live it without needing anything. This is what they did - they redid the experience of capitalist countries, appropriating state and public property.
      1. -4
        15 February 2024 12: 57
        Quote: ROSS 42
        This is what they did - they redid the experience of capitalist countries, appropriating state and public property.

        and before that, for the sake of socialism, they destroyed the country and destroyed and expelled millions of people - it turned out to be in vain... request
        1. 0
          20 February 2024 11: 05
          You are confused. The Republic of Ingushetia collapsed even before the Bolsheviks, the Bolsheviks, on the contrary, put it back together, in 1917 there were 2 revolutions, the February and the October.
          1. 0
            20 February 2024 11: 41
            Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
            RI collapsed even before the Bolsheviks,

            Not at all, your history is bad request The independence of Finland, Poland, the Baltic states and Ukraine was recognized by the Bolsheviks...
            Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
            in 1917 there were 2 revolutions, February and October

            What a discovery... however, as a result of the February Revolution, mass emigration and the Civil War did not begin - it was the Bolsheviks who started it! Remember the slogan - let's turn the imperialist war into a civil war? Whoever nominated - correctly - VIL! Even before the February Revolution... request
            1. 0
              20 February 2024 11: 53
              And who created the USSR in 1922, wasn’t it the Bolsheviks and Lenin?
              1. 0
                20 February 2024 11: 57
                Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                And who created the USSR in 1922, wasn’t it the Bolsheviks and Lenin?

                How is it running for you... request RI and the USSR are different states! The USSR was a union of republics, the number of which increased, and at the expense of lands inhabited by Russians! Donbass and Little Russia were given to Ukraine, the lands of the Ural Cossacks to Kazakhstan, as well as Semirechensky, Terek Cossacks to Chechnya, etc. etc. In 1991, communist power burst and the lands went away.... request
                1. 0
                  20 February 2024 12: 05
                  What do you mean given away? This was one country, and what difference did it make what it was called, the Republic of Ingushetia or the USSR, what is now the Russian Federation, all this is Russia in the broad sense of the word.
                  1. 0
                    20 February 2024 12: 09
                    Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                    all this is Russia in the broad sense of the word.

                    Didn't the war in Ukraine teach you anything? I sympathize, you chew all the Soviet agitprop... request
                    1. 0
                      20 February 2024 12: 54
                      The war in Ukraine began after the collapse of the USSR, and not during the USSR. Let me remind you that even now Russia has many national republics, so is someone to blame for this too?
                      1. 0
                        20 February 2024 13: 24
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        The war in Ukraine began after the collapse of the USSR, and not during the USSR.

                        not at all - forced Ukrainization began back in the 1920s - this is preparation for war... request then there was the Second World War and Bandera’s followers... study history.. hi
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        So is someone to blame for this too?

                        Do you think they appeared on their own? Stupid question - why do the Tatars or Bashkirs have a republic in the Russian Federation, but not the Russians or Armenians? It turns out that this legacy of the USSR has led the Russian Federation to a strange state - there are citizens of one type, based on nationality, there are another, and the Constitution of the Russian Federation prohibits this... request
                      2. 0
                        20 February 2024 13: 31
                        There were Banderaites, so what? And how many were there and where? And what happened to them after the war? Khrushch then released the under-served children from prison, thinking they would be re-educated. But under the USSR they were afraid to raise their heads. And then the West raised and looked after them, and we did not interfere.
                      3. -1
                        20 February 2024 13: 36
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        There were Banderaites, so what? And how many were there and where? And what happened to them after the war?

                        I'm tired of answering your stupid questions request
                      4. 0
                        20 February 2024 14: 22
                        Because you yourself don’t understand the reasons. You blame the Bolsheviks for something that was not with them, or for something that they fought and overcame, although not completely. And Russia (RF) watched with absolute indifference for 20 years as the West cultivated Banderaism and did absolutely nothing. But the Bolsheviks, who have been gone for a long time, are to blame.
                      5. 0
                        20 February 2024 14: 27
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        Because you yourself don’t understand the reasons.

                        seriously? Look at yourself - you have only declarations! You never responded to my objections!
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        You accuse the Bolsheviks of something that was not with them

                        Well, wasn’t there Ukrainization under the USSR? there were no Banderaites? bully
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        or what they fought and overcame, although not completely.

                        they fought the symptoms, and they fed the disease of nationalism throughout the USSR!
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        And Russia (RF) has watched with absolute indifference for 20 years as the West cultivates Banderaism

                        1) not at all
                        2) outside the borders of the Russian Federation!
                      6. 0
                        20 February 2024 14: 29
                        There were Banderaites, they hung on gallows and were in prison. These are the ones who were not finished off in the forests.
                      7. 0
                        20 February 2024 14: 31
                        Internationalism and friendship of peoples were officially proclaimed in the USSR.
                      8. 0
                        20 February 2024 14: 36
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        Internationalism and friendship of peoples were officially proclaimed in the USSR.

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Look at yourself - you have only declarations!

                        1) you run in a circle - a flag in your hands, a drum around your neck... request
                        2) If we have internationalism, then WHY do we have national republics? See USA/Canada/Brazil - they are just states/provinces!
                        3) if we have friendship among peoples, then why pit some peoples against others?
                      9. 0
                        20 February 2024 15: 36
                        The division into national republics was a mistake, no one argues with that. But no one pitted some peoples against others. National republics encouraged this, yes. But they didn’t oppose. And only after the collapse of the USSR, full-blown nationalism flourished in almost all republics. And Gorbachev and Yeltsin are primarily to blame for this.
                      10. 0
                        20 February 2024 15: 41
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        it was a mistake, no one can argue with that.

                        I'm happy for you, but alas, others are arguing...
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        But no one pitted some nations against others

                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Stupid question - why do the Tatars or Bashkirs have a republic in the Russian Federation, but not the Russians or Armenians?

                        not at all, I gave the argument... hi
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        And only after the collapse of the USSR, full-blown nationalism flourished in almost all republics.

                        lies - have you been to the Baltic states during the Soviet era? I came across it in a store in Riga in 1985... request hence the non-citizens later moved to other republics... you don’t want to think... request
                      11. 0
                        20 February 2024 15: 51
                        I was in Riga in 81, yes, they were always hissing, the Baltic states were always alien to us, which cannot be said about Ukraine, I was there in 88, I never heard Ukrainian speech anywhere, everything is in Russian, only inscriptions here and there came across.
                      12. 0
                        20 February 2024 16: 09
                        Quote: Yuri Vasiliev
                        I was in Riga in '81, yes, they were always hissing,

                        those. Is there no longer any doubt about nationalism under the USSR? hi
                        left -
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        no one pitted some nations against others
                        - you remained silent on my thesis... request
                      13. 0
                        20 February 2024 20: 32
                        Well, apart from the Baltic republics, nationalism was not particularly observed anywhere under the USSR. In any case, as a phenomenon, isolated everyday incidents do not count.
  6. +2
    15 February 2024 05: 54
    Therefore, many dignitaries are almost sincerely surprised and do not believe how ordinary people live on their salaries when they are informed about this.

    And I don’t believe them! Or do they think that ordinary people steal just as widely?
  7. +9
    15 February 2024 05: 56
    In general, there was some kind of nightmare under these scoundrels, Khrushchev and Brezhnev! Even the population grew naturally, panimash! Just like in some Africa. It’s a different matter now—minus 700 thousand native Russians annually. Those. became a civilized European country.
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 12: 58
      Quote: MBRBS
      Even the population grew naturally, panimash!

      It is still growing in Central Asia! hi
    2. -1
      15 February 2024 20: 50
      grew due to Central Asia and the Caucasus
  8. +6
    15 February 2024 06: 02
    The author is absolutely right in noting that under Brezhnev the Baltic states enjoyed privileges. Naturally, someone deprived the RFSSR of these privileges, otherwise, if it were the same for all republics, then there would be no need to talk about privileges. Just a couple of examples. In the Kaliningrad region, in coastal fishing collective farms, fishermen for catching sprat and herring in the Baltic Sea received 300 rubles per month, and fishermen in Lithuanian and Estonian collective farms, catching the same sprat and herring in the same Baltic Sea, received 600 rubles per month. At that time, Brezhnev, when in the million-plus cities of the Russian FSSR they rode
    decrepit and with plywood instead of rear windows clogged with LiAZ, Lazy and PaZ, in Tallinn with a population of three hundred thousand and throughout Estonia, only new Ikaruses carried passengers. Such privileges can be counted in the thousands.
    As for today, as an echo of the privileges from the Brezhnev times in Ukraine, it was under Khrushchev that the privilege of placing immigrants from Ukraine in many significant positions in the party and in the state began and under Brezhnev continued. Yes, then they were embarrassed to look too privileged, since they were the ancestors of those who dug up the Black Sea, filled the Carpathian Mountains and gave birth to Christ, but now they are no longer ashamed of this and the descendants of the Ukrainians of Brezhnev’s communists have popularly explained to everyone who and who “really” "is" Ukrainians.
    1. -2
      15 February 2024 07: 43
      Quote: north 2
      RFSSR

      Try to decipher this abbreviation...
      About the Baltics - everything is true...
  9. +9
    15 February 2024 06: 15
    Don't blame Brezhnev!!!
  10. +7
    15 February 2024 06: 30
    It seems like dear Leonid Ilyich asked to be relieved of his position, but his comrades-in-arms were categorically against it. And now he himself has grabbed onto the throne like a tick and, friends, the oligarchs are not letting go.
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 07: 22
      Quote: fiberboard
      Leonid Ilyich asked to be relieved of his position, but... associates,, were categorically против
      You would be more precise in defining the concept of “comrades-in-arms.” In my opinion, those who were actually against it actually actually took advantage of the situation of Brezhnev’s poor health for their own personal (and maybe not only) selfish purposes. Brezhnev either saw or felt all this, it doesn’t matter, but they really clung to him and did not let him go on a well-deserved vacation, if only for health reasons, while pursuing some important interests for himself.
  11. Eug
    +3
    15 February 2024 06: 56
    The key point is the decoupling of the dollar from gold. It’s mind boggling not to take advantage of such a chance to increase your own influence and give your “partners” a powerful kick...
    1. -2
      15 February 2024 20: 54
      This birthright was sold for a pottage back in 1969, when the leadership of the USSR did not expose the scam of the Americans with the flight to the Moon
  12. +10
    15 February 2024 07: 00
    For comparison, it would be necessary to recall how much design was carried out and how much construction was carried out in this era of total stagnation of atomic spacers of the Orolan type. From laying to commissioning. Reimbursement of almost 50 thousand tons. And also pl. Project 941 Typhoon type. And compare now in the era of effective management and artificial intelligence. How long did it take to design the An224 Mriya and how long did it take to build it now? MiG31 and Su57. And so on ..
  13. +12
    15 February 2024 07: 14
    Such articles in the late 80s were perceived as a revelation. But now, when we live a thousand times worse than under Brezhnev, it’s time to stop driving away this anti-Soviet culture.
    1. -1
      15 February 2024 09: 33
      Quote: Gardamir
      But now, when we live a thousand times worse than under Brezhnev

      Are you living 1000 times worse than under Brezhnev? Hmm, are any of the members of that Central Committee still alive?
      1. +5
        15 February 2024 09: 45
        It depends on what measure you use. Sausage made from veins of different varieties. Cheese from different palm trees. And yes, there are enough different shows. What more does the consumer need?
        1. -6
          15 February 2024 10: 44
          Do you seriously believe that a comparison of food then and now is in favor of the USSR?

          As I understand it, you didn’t live in the USSR?
          1. -6
            15 February 2024 11: 48
            Quote: Negro
            Do you seriously believe that a comparison of food then and now is in favor of the USSR?

            You still remember the Soviet GOSTs - for the same sausage, with standards for replacing meat in products for ordinary citizens.
            And also “sausage trains” - for those who cannot eat paper GOSTs, because the sausage itself has not been in the store for a long time. wink
        2. 0
          20 February 2024 02: 33
          Sausage made from veins of different varieties

          ah, this famous Soviet quality
    2. -4
      15 February 2024 13: 00
      Quote: Gardamir
      But now, when we live a thousand times worse than under Brezhnev,

      Do you have any problems with reality? bully Ordinary people now live incomparably better than under LIB...
      Quote: Gardamir
      It depends on what measure you use

      will you announce your measure?
      Quote: Negro
      As I understand it, you didn’t live in the USSR?

      Apparently not... or as a child with nomenklatura parents... hi
      1. +1
        16 February 2024 00: 44
        Quote: DrEng02
        Ordinary people now live incomparably better than under LIB...

        Uh... It depends on what yardstick you use to measure this “best”. For example, a lot of my friends have already died before they reached 60, while the older generation passed away mostly at 70+. Here you need to look deeper for reasons than the opportunity to buy a car for one salary (I’m talking about a bad used car, but on the move). And the opportunity to fly to Egypt on vacation once every year or two somehow does not greatly affect this very happiness. People began to work more and communicate less in person. They also raised the retirement age without increasing life expectancy.
        If the SVO drags on for years, then it may actually turn out that under Brezhnev we lived 1000 times better. The cozy capitalist world may collapse, and not only in Russia.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 15: 10
          Quote: MBRBS
          For example, a lot of my friends have already died before they reached 60, while the older generation passed away mostly at 70+.

          This is true, but this is a consequence of the development of infant medicine - essentially negative selection...
          request
          Quote: MBRBS
          somehow this very happiness doesn’t have much effect.

          this is when you can, but if you always look at the world through the eyes of Sienkiewicz... hi
          Quote: MBRBS
          It depends on what yardstick you use to measure this “best”.

          go to the store... feel
          Quote: MBRBS
          If the SVO drags on for years

          almost 2 years already...
          Quote: MBRBS
          The capitalist world may collapse, and not only in Russia.

          while they are more twitchy in the EU...
  14. 0
    15 February 2024 07: 31
    Commenting on Samsonov is bad form))))!
    But I will comment on the comments.
    According to them, it turns out that the outskirts of Ukraine themselves are to blame, that things were different for them than in the RSFSR. And they lived better than the average Russian - because the conditional Brezhnev and the Politburo decided so! Do you believe this yourself?
    There was one Balt in the Politburo - Pelshe, an ethnic Latvian.
    Laws, Decrees, Resolutions, etc. were written for the entire USSR, but how they were used is a question for the leadership of the republics.
    Indeed, a Soviet bureaucratic system was created. The system of suppliers and others like them.
    And if in the so-called Uryupinsk windows in public transport were covered with plywood, then this is not a question for Tallinn, but a complaint against the director of the ATP.
    Regarding the Benderavites, the green brothers and other traitors from the ROA. He was condemned by the bloody Stalinist regime. After serving the required term, they became full citizens of the USSR.
    The fact that the system turned out to be unsurvivable is a question for the system and its creators.
    There was no true Stalinist, there were only true Leninists!
    An anecdote from the era of stagnation.
    - Grandma, who invented socialism? Communists or scientists?
    - Of course, the communists, if they were scientists, they would first conduct experiments on dogs.
  15. -10
    15 February 2024 07: 32
    When I worked at the department in Soviet times, I heard from one communist employee in all seriousness that Brezhnev’s candidacy for the post of Secretary General was agreed upon with the United States.
  16. +2
    15 February 2024 07: 41
    You can write and talk a lot about the past, but what is the current nomenklatura regime with its party (from the late CPSU) habits like? Maybe we can compare? If the children and relatives of the party nomenklatura used state dachas, passed from one to another, then the current army of bureaucrats manages to build mansions for themselves and their relatives, mobilizing budget funds to satisfy the increased demands... Where do officials get millions in income, since they produce nothing?
    But the workers live from paycheck to paycheck, often deprived of basic living conditions (I can prove it figuratively, but I’m afraid no one needs it, and the management of the Listvyazhnaya mine didn’t need it).
    Today, blaming LIB is a thankless task. Foreign policy was such that many people loved the USSR and everyone feared it (they were afraid to even blather against it). And the dominance of inactive old people in governing bodies led to the discrediting of the socialist system, which positioned the power of the people. This was nomenklatura power.
    It was precisely this departure from the principles of democratic centralism, “blat” - “you give me, I give you,” privileges, special services, special stores, regional committee canteens, regional committee clinics that separated the representatives of power from its source...
    1. -2
      15 February 2024 13: 06
      Quote: ROSS 42
      used state dachas, passed from one to another, then the current army of bureaucrats manages to build mansions for themselves and their relatives, mobilizing budget funds to satisfy the increased demands..

      and at whose expense were these state dachas built under the USSR?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      But the workers live from paycheck to paycheck,

      But once upon a time and somewhere it was different? But now there are no coupons and you can buy everything, including an apartment... request
      Quote: ROSS 42
      often deprived of basic living conditions

      those. The barracks that are now being demolished were not built in the USSR?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Foreign policy was such that the USSR was loved by many and feared by everyone

      But what was the benefit to the people from this? that the weapon was supplied for non-refundable loans at 150 yards?
      fought for everyone around the world - from Angola to Vietnam, Egypt to Korea?
      Quote: ROSS 42
      separated the authorities from its source...

      Who introduced all these privileges? I started with VIL and ended up with the IVS system... hi
    2. 0
      20 February 2024 02: 51
      The USSR was loved by many

      Who doesn’t love money given to fools for free? It was enough for the next rogue to tell how he took the course of socialism, how he immediately got money at the expense of the people of Russia.
      and then all these “lovers” were blown away by the wind
      Everyone was afraid (they were afraid even to blather against)

      What are you saying?
      The Iranians, hanging the proteges of the USSR, after Stalin was afraid of Britain and the USA and quickly withdrew (at their request) troops from Iran, were so afraid, so afraid... they even “couldn’t eat” until they hanged all the leaders who believed Stalin
      - Mehabad Republic of Kurds in Iran January 22, 1946 - December 16, 1946 and
      - Democratic Republic of Azerbaijan November 1945 - November 1946.
      True, those who were smarter faded into the USSR ahead of time, but remained just like you - who believed that everyone was afraid of the USSR, oh.
  17. +3
    15 February 2024 07: 55
    A set of slogans and fantasies, without any logic.

    "The old people didn't want any changes."

    But Gorbachev wanted...

    "The ruling elite received guarantees of personal security."

    There were few members of the Politburo, but everyone who was lower was shaken.

    "Conservatism, predictability, absence of breakdowns and revolutions."

    For some reason, the author considers this fact to be negative.

    The rest of the text also does not stand up to criticism. Still, I think the author is kidding. I come to this conclusion because the text is coherent and literate, but the thoughts are stupid.
  18. +4
    15 February 2024 08: 04
    "Degradation of the USSR under Brezhnev"????
    Author?
    And under whom, in the USSR, in Russia, was there PROSPERITY in your opinion? Well, at least in passing, for a remark. For comparison.
    We won’t look at the idiot drunk under a microscope.
    So maybe "Moon-Faced"? The term of office is comparable.
    1. -3
      15 February 2024 08: 37
      Quote: Ivanov IV
      And under whom, in the USSR, in Russia, was there PROSPERITY in your opinion? Well, at least in passing, for a remark. For comparison.

      You are, of course, right. God did not order Russians to live well. So against this background, 20 years of insanity, when at least no one gets killed, is happiness.
    2. +4
      15 February 2024 09: 33
      It depends on what you consider prosperity to be. Now, since 1991, on the territory of the USSR, those who plundered the results of the labor of Soviet communists and their supporters, robbed the republics of the USSR and their peoples that they captured, have prospered.
      And the USSR was prosperous both in terms of the development of the country and the quality of life of the majority of the people - both in comparison with the Russian Empire, and in comparison with 80 percent of the capitalist countries of the world, and even more so in comparison with the States of the enemies of the USSR in the territory of the USSR they captured.
      1. -3
        15 February 2024 13: 05
        Quote: tatra
        And the USSR was prosperous both in terms of the development of the country and the quality of life of the majority of the people - both in comparison with the Russian Empire

        Do you know well how things were going in the Republic of Ingushetia?
        Quote: tatra
        compared to a percentage of 80 capital countries in the world,

        Have you counted Africa?
        Quote: tatra
        in comparison with the States of the enemies of the USSR on the territory of the USSR captured by them.

        Well, it depends on who. Some managed to catch up and overtake Greece, even Portugal, some you know...

        However, Russia without the Bolsheviks - Finland - even Portugal is very far away. It's about the same level as Canada.
        1. +2
          15 February 2024 13: 14
          And WHERE is the refutation of what I wrote? As always, the enemies of the USSR have only stupid, meaningless criticism.
          And what do you all know about the Russian Empire, the history of which begins and ends with anti-Soviet myths from anti-Soviet-Russophobic puppeteers, about “Russia, which fed the whole world, and rushed ahead of the rest of the planet, and if the Bolsheviks had not captured Russia, now it would be America would be better"?
          1. -4
            15 February 2024 13: 37
            Quote: tatra
            WHERE is there a refutation of what I wrote?

            A refutation of what exactly?
            Quote: tatra
            about "Russia, which fed the whole world, and rushed ahead of the rest of the planet

            The Russian Empire was an extremely vile place. But for its time it was at the lower limit of the norm.

            The USSR had nothing in common with the norm.
            Quote: tatra
            would it be better than America now?

            It would be difficult: America is still very strong. But as already mentioned, a small piece of Russia that managed to escape Soviet rule at no small cost is a quite prosperous country by any standards.
  19. +8
    15 February 2024 08: 14
    Complete nonsense. The RSFSR's GDP grew at an average of 4,6%. Prices were stable, no one devalued deposits. The salary grew. My mother is a cleaner, received a pension of 70 rubles, and my father is a turner, 110 rubles. The apartments were provided for free. You can also get a cooperative on an interest-free loan on a monthly basis. payment. The apartment cost 5 thousand. The country's economy is the second in the world. Population growth annually is about 800 thousand, and today it is falling and falling. The birth rate is 2.3 per woman. So all this was written by a person who did not live in those times.
    1. -3
      15 February 2024 13: 11
      Quote: Plowman
      The GDP of the RSFSR grew at an average of 4,6%

      not always...
      Quote: Plowman
      Prices were stable

      alas, no - periodically they increased it, although sometimes they lowered it... I remember vodka at 3-12, I tried it at 3-62 hi , and then it grew and grew.. request
      Quote: Plowman
      The apartments were provided for free.

      not everyone...
      Quote: Plowman
      Population growth annually is about 800 thousand.

      and in which republics? everything is fine there now...
      Quote: Plowman
      So all this was written by a person who did not live in those days.

      Are you talking about yourself? or were you a child? 180 rubles even for 3x is VERY little in the USSR - it’s like living on 20t now... request
      1. -1
        16 February 2024 09: 51
        Quote: DrEng02
        not everyone...

        My parents received housing three times. From a room in a barracks to an apartment in 80 square meters.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 15: 14
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          My parents received housing three times.

          1) usually at defense enterprises or during the construction of giants... and how many did not receive request
          2) I myself got a 2-room apartment and a 3-room apartment, but many of my friends couldn’t get in line...
          I don’t know about you, but the very word “receive” offends me - I worked and earned money, and someone decided for me what and where to give... now it’s easier - I took out a mortgage and bought what I wanted within my means... hi
          1. 0
            16 February 2024 15: 42
            Quote: DrEng02
            1) usually at defense enterprises or during the construction of giants

            Novomoskovsky car repair plant.
            Quote: DrEng02
            :

            Yeah, before the mortgage it was like before China.
            1. 0
              16 February 2024 16: 29
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Yeah, before the mortgage it was like before China.

              I took it 2 times - what's the problem?
              1. 0
                16 February 2024 18: 32
                Quote: DrEng02
                I took it 2 times - what's the problem?

                The problem is that even in the 90s I received an order of magnitude more.
                1. 0
                  18 February 2024 15: 18
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Even in the 90s I received an order of magnitude more.

                  Yes, I’m afraid to ask - what did you do for a living in the 90s... request
                  I, like most, had a small salary by modern standards, but it was given on time and in bucks...
                  1. 0
                    18 February 2024 15: 22
                    I got about a million...
                  2. 0
                    18 February 2024 15: 26
                    Quote: DrEng02
                    but they gave it on time and in bucks...

                    At that time my salary was 500 bucks.
                    1. 0
                      18 February 2024 15: 28
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      At that time my salary was 500 bucks.

                      I have about 400 hi
                      1. 0
                        18 February 2024 15: 38
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        I have about 400

                        For one salary, I bought a Japanese TV and made 15 people drunk. This is in '96.
                      2. 0
                        18 February 2024 15: 42
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        For one salary I bought a Japanese TV and

                        yes, I remember - a 20 dm screen cost about 300 bucks...

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I was an order of magnitude larger even in the 90s

                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        At that time my salary was 500 bucks.

                        Based on your words, you earn 500/10 = 50 bucks, this is less than 5 rubles - there are no such salaries in the Russian Federation, not even pensions... request
                      3. 0
                        18 February 2024 15: 49
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Based on your words, you earn 500/10 = 50 bucks, this is less than 5 rubles - there are no such salaries in the Russian Federation, not even pensions...

                        No, I get ten times less today
                      4. 0
                        18 February 2024 16: 03
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        No, I get ten times less today

                        those. less than 5? there are no such salaries in the Russian Federation hi
                        In any case, what keeps you at such a salary?
                      5. 0
                        18 February 2024 16: 09
                        In general, I now receive 1200 rubles a month. How do you like that?
                      6. 0
                        18 February 2024 16: 02
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Based on your words, you earn 500/10 = 50 bucks, this is less than 5 rubles - there are no such salaries in the Russian Federation, not even pensions...

                        No, it was in the 90s that we were paid such salaries.
                      7. 0
                        18 February 2024 16: 13
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        In general, I now receive 1200 rubles a month. How do you like that?

                        just curious - where do they pay like that? in 2024 min salary RUB 19. hi
                      8. 0
                        18 February 2024 16: 16
                        Disability benefits. My mother doesn't go.
                      9. 0
                        18 February 2024 17: 38
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        My mother doesn't go.

                        and I already died... request but there is a pension hi
                      10. 0
                        18 February 2024 17: 57
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        but there is a pension

                        Yes, there is, but I get 1200 for caring for a disabled person. Yeah... Change about 15 diapers a day, change poopy panties 10 times, spoon feed...
                      11. 0
                        18 February 2024 18: 07
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        spoon feed...

                        It was not very pleasant, I sympathize... request
                      12. 0
                        18 February 2024 18: 12
                        I'm already fed up, to be honest.
                      13. 0
                        19 February 2024 11: 56
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I'm already fed up, to be honest.

                        I understand perfectly well, I did this - I transferred my mother to a boarding house, there was simply no way out - she developed dementia and did not take pills, which caused an exacerbation. She had to pay about 30 thousand a month, but almost everything was covered by her pension. Medicines and other diapers on top. But she lived for another 3 years, and after 2-3 months she began to come to her senses due to regular pill taking. The girls working there are normal, but you have to choose a boarding house seriously - there are different ones, we found it 3 times. Without the boarding house I would have had a heart attack or stroke, and how to wash it is my back request
                      14. 0
                        19 February 2024 15: 08
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        The girls working there are normal

                        They are normal when they talk with relatives and talk about things. My sister and aunt work as nurses, so I know what I’m talking about.
                      15. 0
                        19 February 2024 15: 19
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        Without the boarding house I would have had a heart attack or stroke, and how to wash it is my back

                        My mother suffered paralysis on one side of her body as a result of a stroke. And she cried: “Vovka, don’t leave me!” I swore that I wouldn't leave her. And this is more stressful than when I worked hard as a loader, loading one and a half tons in a couple of hours.
                      16. 0
                        20 February 2024 11: 37
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I swore that I wouldn't leave her.

                        you are confusing different things: leave and send to a boarding house - will you visit, etc.
                        in general, I wrote my opinion and decision above - it’s up to you to decide request
                      17. 0
                        20 February 2024 11: 46
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        in general, I wrote my opinion and decision above - it’s up to you to decide

                        We already sent my cousin to a boarding house after the death of her uncle. Her mother went to visit her, and she had already died there. At 42 years old. And the body was cremated. I think that’s why my mother is afraid.
                      18. 0
                        20 February 2024 11: 49
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        Her mother went to visit her, and she had already died there.

                        right away? that there was no telephone number - call? In general, if you want, write about your low salary on the forums, or if you want, solve the problem... I don’t think your mother wanted your life to turn into hell and you wanted her death - obviously or not... hi
                      19. 0
                        20 February 2024 11: 55
                        Quote: DrEng02
                        that there was no telephone number - call?

                        Why do you all equate yourself? It was at the beginning of the 2000s, my sister had Down syndrome, and she didn’t have any phone. A telephone in those days cost about two average salaries. In short, I’ve said everything, I don’t see any point in continuing.
    2. -2
      15 February 2024 21: 01
      population growth since the 60-70s has already been due to Central Asia and the Caucasus
  20. +6
    15 February 2024 08: 24
    Three books written on behalf of Brezhnev were published in huge millions of copies, studied throughout the country, etc.
    Has the author seen these three brochures smaller than a 12-sheet school notebook? And what's seditious about that? The usual memoirs of a veteran who worked honestly and fought honestly. Another thing is that the PR people created such a background that it turned me away from reading them.
    1. +8
      15 February 2024 09: 58
      Greetings Sergey hi Brezhnev was from the generation of Winners. The last one. The authority of the USSR was the highest in the world at that time. He fought and received awards when no one could imagine the Secretary General. So when the abuse and jokes about Brezhnev begin, let the abusers remember that we are talking about a participant and Veterans of the Second World War.
      I haven’t read Brezhnev’s memoirs, but I’ve heard good reviews about them as works from those who have read them. I'll try to read at least one.
      1. +5
        15 February 2024 13: 07
        Quote: Reptiloid
        I haven’t read Brezhnev’s memoirs

        and in vain - short and well written! Although he did not write it himself...
      2. +3
        15 February 2024 22: 06
        Hello, Dmitry. Brezhnev before 1976 and after are two different people. From that time on he began to have health problems. But, nevertheless, at the parade on November 7, 1981, he stood on the podium and waved his hand, and before that, his collarbone was broken in Tashkent - at an aircraft factory, forests with people fell on him. Iron Man!
        1. +1
          15 February 2024 22: 11
          Yes, Sergey, I read about it. I also read that some painkillers were prescribed, the side effects of which were very bad..
  21. +3
    15 February 2024 08: 38
    If under Stalin the average age of Politburo members was about 50 years, then under Brezhnev it reached over 70.
    What is the author hinting at? wink laughing
    1. +4
      15 February 2024 09: 15
      Similar to today.
  22. 0
    15 February 2024 08: 40
    The worst quality of compatriots is servility

    They want to cram their whole life into 4 letters - the USSR, or into the Politburo, or find whoever is to blame for the general stupidity of the Master......
    They screwed up both their workers’ and peasants’ party and the country, and the workers’ party is to blame for this.

    Poor.... yes, this is the USSR and the CPSU and all the best ideas of humanity suffered from such, and not vice versa.
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 11: 09
      Quote: ivan2022
      Poor.... yes, this is the USSR and the CPSU and all the best ideas of humanity suffered from such
      There are no critics of ideas here: they criticize their embodiment, which they have experienced and to which they do not want to return.
      Quote: ivan2022
      The worst quality of our compatriots is servility...
      The qualities of people are established in childhood, and this happened in the USSR. Your vile attitude towards your compatriots was probably formed there.
      1. +1
        15 February 2024 13: 18
        No, the USSR has nothing to do with it. Those who captured the USSR proved that in their mentality they only have the most disgusting human qualities, starting with bitterness, aggressiveness, irresponsibility, pathological deceit and hypocrisy, and they do not know how to work, but are only capable of destroying everything, ruining and parasitizing for account of someone else's labor.
        1. 0
          15 February 2024 13: 26
          I’m reading your second comment, which does not contain the words “enemies of the USSR.” Did something happen, or is this just some kind of restyling? I've already started to worry about you.
    2. -1
      20 February 2024 10: 54
      So this party cultivated servility in people, destroying any manifestations of independence and initiative.
  23. +3
    15 February 2024 09: 11
    What then should we call the period after the seizure of the USSR by critics of everything Soviet, which became complete degradation in everything, without exception, in comparison with the USSR?
    A crime against the country and people? Destruction of the country and people?
    1. -1
      16 February 2024 05: 46
      Quote: tatra
      What then should we call the period after the capture of the USSR?
      Are you looking for enemies of the USSR among those who criticize it today? Late. First we need to define the period of capture in order to talk about “after”. Do you attribute to him the transition of Ambassador to the USA Yakovlev to the Presidium of the Central Committee as the main ideologist in 1987? "Gorbachev's Thaw"? 1988, when the Estonian SSR began the “parade of sovereignties” - what period was this? 1989 - already the entire Baltic region. And this was done by the official authorities of the Soviet socialist republics. There were already such a huge number of enemies of the USSR, and of the friends of the USSR in August 1991, only the State Emergency Committee remained, which did not declare Azerbaijan’s secession, and those who drowned for them, including me. hi
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      1. +2
        16 February 2024 06: 49
        Quote: Vladimir80
        “transferred” to the Russian Orthodox Church
        It is not vices that they “endure”, but their lack of understanding of the fact that when the Church at services prays to God “For our God-protected country, its authorities and army,” they do this with one goal - to preserve “our God-protected country.” If anyone might think that all these actions were carried out by people “who hate the USSR because of church gold,” this is either a “militant (with a broken head) atheist” or an enemy of the Russian Federation working for interreligious strife in Russia. The site rules do not allow Ivan to be considered mentally disabled.
    2. +4
      15 February 2024 11: 48
      Quote: ivan2022
      talked to everyone except the priests of that time. Not a word with them.

      Not quite like that, he actually talked to them - and entered into dialogue with them, and reproached them, and called them vipers.
  25. +5
    15 February 2024 09: 23
    The meaning of this article is clear and understandable. Look how bad everything was then and how wonderful it is today. Previously, there were no jeans, and there were no bananas and pineapples on the shelves, and there were only 10-15 varieties of sausage, not like today. And the leadership was irreplaceable (here I’m literally laughing out loud looking at the current ones) And the point is - aren’t you glad that today you can go abroad (as if you haven’t gone before) and buy a yacht with a factory and take out an apartment on a mortgage. And what about the crazy rise in prices, tariffs, taxes, unemployment, degradation of science, education, medicine, etc. so this is a small thing. And to summarize, the current state exists solely due to what was created during the years of “stagnation” and by this very “decayed” party nomenklatura.
    1. +2
      15 February 2024 10: 28
      Yes, firstly, the Russian enemies of the USSR really want to present themselves as better than others, but they understand that they have nothing - neither the results of their highly paid work, nor their real human qualities, so they at the expense of “but in the USSR everything was bad, but “Everything is bad in other countries,” they are trying to create the illusion that they themselves did everything well.
      Secondly, not only during the Soviet and anti-Soviet periods did they parasitize and are parasitizing at the expense of other people’s labor, but they proved that they are also parasites in mentality.
    2. -1
      15 February 2024 11: 39
      Look how bad everything was then and how wonderful it is today

      You shouldn’t be doing that, Comrade Samsonov, the first Bolshevik on military review, it seems to me!
    3. -3
      15 February 2024 11: 43
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      Previously, there were no jeans, and there were no bananas and pineapples on the shelves, and there were only 10-15 varieties of sausage, not like today.

      How I love reading current descriptions of the holy USSR. Don’t you want a year without meat in stores at all? Even with coupons?
      What kind of prosperity is this when I can’t buy soap for a whole month, the most ordinary laundry soap, and I don’t even have to talk about toilet soap. I have three children, the oldest is 8 years old, and the youngest is 9 months old. How should I wash my children, how should I wash diapers, please help me, but should I be alone? And not only is there no soap, there are no detergents at all, no washing powder, no pastes. There is nothing to feed the kids, I can’t buy semolina anywhere, there is no butter to put in the porridge. There is no toothpaste for sale, no toothbrushes. There was no meat at all for 2 years. Just recently they gave us a little 0,500 grams according to coupons. for 1 person, so this happens 1 time a year. And once they gave chickens according to coupons, so for two people they gave x/2 chickens. They don’t even bring bones, and when they do, you can’t buy them, in line they only sell 2 kg per person, but I was in line for 35 and I didn’t have enough.
      So this is what is being done. How should I feed my family, what should I feed my children? Today I went to the market and saw speculators selling laundry soap for 1 ruble. piece and I couldn’t buy it. In our time, when there has been no war for 30 years, where did all this go? There is no fish, hake, flounder, cod - this is generally a shortage. There is sometimes pollock, but this is also rare. And there is no talk about chocolate candies at all, they don’t even exist. Flour shortages.

      Do you know what the trade department responded to this? That everything is fine, and according to the documents, all funds have been sold. And city citizens receive meat and butter according to coupon rates - 500 grams of meat and 200 grams of butter per person per month. Here, comrades, is developed socialism in the year of the Moscow Olympics.
      1. 0
        16 February 2024 09: 57
        Quote: Alexey RA
        city ​​citizens receive meat and butter according to coupon rates - 500 grams of meat and 200 grams of butter per person per month

        Where was this? I personally bought butter by the kilogram in 80.
        1. 0
          16 February 2024 10: 22
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Where was this? I personally bought butter by the kilogram in 80.

          Perm region, city of Chusovoy.
          In 1979, with a stock of meat of 453 tons, 240 tons were sold to the population; 60 tons for war veterans and diabetics; 153 tons were spent on social services. In January-February, with a meat limit of 80 tons, sales using coupons amounted to 70 tons at 0,5 kg per person per month.
          In 1979, 265 tons of animal oil were sold to the population, with a stock of 337 tons. In January, oil was not traded due to lack of resources. In February-March, 30 tons were sold using coupons, with a limit of 37 tons of 200 grams. per person per month.
          © Letter from the Deputy Head of the Trade Department of the Perm Regional Executive Committee I.N. Volkov to the Perm Regional Committee of the CPSU about the results of the audit of the Chusovsky auction. April 11, 1980

          It’s just that usually the successes of Soviet power are judged either by the showcase republics, or by cities of a special and first category. Outside of which, entire labor collectives demanded the introduction of coupons for meat and butter, because nothing could be bought in stores.
          We demand that the regional committee and district party committee improve supplies, since at present a very difficult food situation has arisen. The stores do not have essential products: meat, dairy, vegetables, fish. There is no public catering in the canteen either. There is nothing on the order tables either.
          We, workers of the Ural Chemical Plant, cannot buy anything in our stores. There is absolutely nothing to feed the family. Is it really impossible to somehow improve the nutrition situation in our time? We demand improved food supplies and it is imperative to introduce coupons for receiving meat and dairy products, as was introduced in the cities of Sverdlovsk, N. Tagil, Kizel, Gubakha, Gorky, Izhevsk and others.
          © Letter from workers of the Ural Chemical Plant to the CPSU Central Committee and local party bodies with a request for the introduction of food stamps. May 1979 156 signatures.

          The list of cities with already introduced coupons is impressive - 4 defense centers, including Tankograd.
          1. 0
            16 February 2024 15: 49
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The list of cities with already introduced coupons is impressive - 4 defense centers, including Tankograd.

            Yeah, my aunt from Nizhny Tagil was there for me and they treated me to salami sausage.
          2. 0
            16 February 2024 18: 40
            Quote: Alexey RA
            The list of cities with already introduced coupons is impressive

            One day a guy came from Nizhny Tagil. Grandfather went to the market and bought a chicken. Seven kilos. And I once came to Nizhny Tagil and looked at the destroyed cowshed. It was like after the bombing.
  26. -1
    15 February 2024 09: 27
    The critics of the USSR themselves proved everything about themselves. Now, if the Soviet people, the communists and their supporters, were always proud of what they did, then the critics of the USSR cowardly whine in chorus that they “had nothing to do” with what they did with their Perestroika , and blame them for what they did on Soviet communists and security officers.
    BUT they are ready to brag about what they got at the expense of someone else, at the expense of Russia and the Russian people, around the clock. They have proven that they are a priori incapable of either developing the country or improving the lives of their people, but they make the highest demands on Soviet communists and their supporters.
  27. +5
    15 February 2024 09: 30
    what can I say, Brezhnev’s granddaughter said correctly: her grandfather built so much that today’s eccentrics will never be able to paint it all
  28. -1
    15 February 2024 09: 33
    Stalin was very afraid of this process and called this layer a “damned caste.” She lived in a “pink world”, isolated from the people.

    Khrushchev started this process, Brezhnev continued, and Eltsin finished it.
    The return to capitalism is over.
    Russia will not survive a new revolution.
  29. -2
    15 February 2024 10: 08
    If “degradation” began, it was right after the revolution, increased rations, sanatoriums, and resorts for the party elite. From the beginning, little things, and as you know, “appetite” comes with eating, but under Brezhnev we reached the finish line; The upper classes don’t want to, and the lower classes cannot, live like this. recourse
  30. +1
    15 February 2024 11: 22
    Quote: Stas157
    Just write to me, I really missed clothes and sausage. What jeans are you buying now?

    judging by the number of messages and disputes about “sausage” and “jeans”, it is noticeable what most worried and interested ordinary citizens of the USSR
  31. 0
    15 February 2024 11: 34
    For example, if the director of a plant failed to cope with his duties, then under Stalin he would have been punished (according to the formula - “you or the enemy?”). Under Brezhnev, he was transferred to another enterprise for a similar position; if he “messed up” there, he was transferred to another place, no lower, and so on until retirement.

    Directors began to be shuffled between factories and transferred to less responsible positions even under the IVS - from the late 30s. But then it was due to a lack of management personnel.
    On the outskirts, opportunities for personal enrichment remained. This was also legal trade: tangerines, grapes, watermelons, wool, etc. were sold to the state at good prices. Representatives of the southern republics had the opportunity to conduct profitable trade in the markets of Russian regions, expanded their network of influence, and organized a system for transporting goods. This is how fortunes and shadow capital were made, and connections were established that would be useful in the future.

    Pfff... described above is only the lower layer. In the era of developed socialism, and even before it, they enriched themselves systematically - by entire groups. The most famous cases are, of course, Soviet trade and the law enforcement and judicial authorities that joined it (the decomposition of which was written about in the post-war Stalinist era). But this was just the tip of the iceberg. And in the depths there was a gray inter-republican economy, supervised at the level of ministries and secretaries of the republican Central Committees. In which a quarter of the cotton harvest of one of the Central Asian republics could never exist at all, and another quarter - according to documents, disappear into nowhere, but in fact - move to the Russian Federation, undergo processing and processing, turn into fabric and go to the workshops. And all this - using the state railway and state-owned light industry enterprises.
    ICHH, this entire economy was under the strict supervision of people with kind, tired eyes. When Chevy became the first secretary in Georgia and began to clean out the old leadership for places for his people, he didn’t even need to invent or falsify anything - for each of those who fell under the purge rink, a previously collected separate folder was found.
  32. -5
    15 February 2024 12: 54
    Almost the entire leadership of the country consisted of figures of the same generation as Brezhnev (born in 1906).


    If you ask yourself: What kind of education could a person born in 1906 receive? Most likely the answer may be disappointing. Continuous war and devastation since 1917 hardly allowed members of the USSR Politburo to receive at least some meaningful education, especially in Ukraine. Nevertheless, these people made decisions on the scale of a huge country, which led to its collapse.
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    2. 0
      21 February 2024 10: 12
      Stalin also did not have a higher education, so what?! Let us remember earlier the Narodnaya Volya revolutionaries, many were students of very reputable universities, the same Kibalchich dreamed of rockets and was a Narodnaya Volya member. Moreover, many went to the scaffold for their views... education of the mind does not give, but only broadens one's horizons...
      1. 0
        21 February 2024 10: 28
        Quote: 23ronin
        Education of the mind does not give, but only broadens one's horizons...


        Very rightly noted. Education does not give intelligence, but it gives knowledge that a trained, human mind can correctly apply. Mind without knowledge and knowledge without mind will not do much. Only a combination of intelligence and knowledge leads to success.
        1. 0
          21 February 2024 14: 23
          Verbiage...essentially?
          1. 0
            21 February 2024 14: 46
            Quote: 23ronin
            Verbiage...essentially?



            Who knows! For some reason, the savvy peasants of Nekrasov remained in the villages, without making an industrial revolution, despite their intelligence. Education does not so much provide knowledge that you can learn on your own from books. Education teaches time management, self-organization, discipline, and the ability to achieve goals within a set time frame. It’s not for nothing that people are expelled from universities for poor performance.
            1. 0
              21 February 2024 18: 39
              You would also add the times of Christ....
  33. +2
    15 February 2024 13: 55
    Why did the Soviet communists compare the results of their WORK with the best year for the Republic of Ingushetia, 1913, although they should have objectively compared with the state in which they got Russia after two wars unleashed by their external and internal enemies? But because they were people with self-esteem, and compared with the best, and to boast about what happened and what they did.
    But the enemies of the USSR for all 32 years have been maniacally criticizing how the communists and their supporters worked and fought, and bragging about how much they OWNED at the expense of other people’s labor, how they ate themselves on counterfeits of Soviet products.
  34. -3
    15 February 2024 14: 41
    Peace became stagnation, which led the USSR to disaster.

    There is a theme that can be classified as conspiracy theory, but as the saying goes, “The devil’s greatest trick is to convince you that he doesn’t exist!” The space race, which we seemed to have lost, having recognized the American landing on the moon, and which became the triumph of capitalism, and, by and large, the fetish of everything “made in not ours” in the USSR. So, about “conspiracy theories”, the concessions that the United States made for the “defeated” USSR and personal gifts for Brezhnev make us think about the reason for this attraction of unheard-of American generosity. This generosity is a consequence of Brezhnev’s concealment of the fact of the American lunar scam, and even playing along with the United States (Soyuz-Apollo). It was this deal, a freebie, that became the root cause of the stagnation after the enchanting détente.
    Secondly, we were outplayed by Hollywood; there was nothing more powerful in the USSR than Mosfilm, which could not compete with the American “dream factory”, which also gave rise to the fetish of the West.
    Naturally, this led to the extensive expansion of the size of the CPSU, which gave rise to opportunists, careerists, future renegades who betrayed the party and socialism.
    Let’s not forget here about the Russian “Maidan” in Moscow, the anti-constitutional coup d’etat of 1991, where not only the constitution was trampled, but also the results of the referendum for the preservation of the Soviet Union.
    In addition, this is a personal opinion.
    1. 0
      19 February 2024 03: 43
      Quote: Per se.
      The space race, which we seemed to have lost, having recognized the American landing on the moon, and which became the triumph of capitalism, and, by and large, the fetish of everything “made in not ours” in the USSR.


      We need to prove that we haven’t lost something, not in words, but in deeds. Instead of verbiage that the Americans did not land on the Moon, the USSR should have put its flag on the Moon, next to the American one, or photographed an empty place and put its flag. This is called victory.
      1. -1
        19 February 2024 07: 04
        Quote from Eugene Zaboy
        or take a photo of an empty space and place your flag. This is called victory.

        Brilliant! You must understand that you read the comment? If there was an “agreement” on our part, what kind of “incrimination”, we received bourgeois buns.
        For me personally, the very fact of our two lunar rovers working on the Moon, delivering soil to Earth automatically, is a victory for the Soviet cosmonautics.
        It is up to the Yankees to prove something, who have “lost” all the main evidence, all the lunar soil, all the original films and photo films, the technology of the “ultra-reliable” F1 engine, the super-heavy Saturn 5 rocket itself, which is still unsurpassed.
        There was not a single American Lunokhod on the Moon (Mars is easier to “develop” in Devon), and humanity still does not have reliable protection from cosmic radiation. How American “astral nauts” flew there in the last century (more than 50 years ago), in a thin-walled and cramped capsule, in an oxygen environment, in diapers and rag spacesuits, is beyond comprehension.
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    15 February 2024 16: 15
    Quote: Trinitrotoluene
    Under Nikita there was food

    Under Nikita, my grandmother and I “shopped” coupons for “white bread” - yellow rolls with corn.
  36. +1
    15 February 2024 16: 48
    “Life was freer in the Baltics” - that’s for sure! Khrushchev's anti-religious persecution under Brezhnev, of course, was generally curtailed. But there really was a difference in this regard between the RSFSR and the national outskirts. A relative lived in Lithuania at the time and says that there it was impossible to imagine the Komsomol cordoning off the temple during a big holiday. Or, for example, at that time in Georgia, in one ancient monastery (formally a museum), it was decorated by the staff of several monks. Formally a museum, but in reality a monastery. In the RSFSR such a relaxation could not have happened.
    1. +1
      15 February 2024 19: 32
      The Assumption Pskov-Pechersky Monastery was founded in the middle of the 1473th century by monks who fled to these lands from the Tatar raids. Already in XNUMX, the first Church of the Assumption of the Mother of God was dug in a cave in this place. An amazing fact - this monastery is the only one in Russia that has never been closed.
      Moreover, we schoolchildren were taken there on an excursion somewhere in 72-73. There, on the territory, a guide accompanied us and told us a lot of interesting things - about Ivan the Terrible, his murder of the abbot, the bloody road. Anna Ioanovna's carriage stood on the territory of the monastery. From her we learned that there is still a functioning monastery in Georgia.
      1. 0
        19 February 2024 15: 42
        There were also monasteries: Pyukhtitsky in Estonia, Pochaev Lavra in the Ternopil region. -- also never closed. But as in the case of Pechory - only because in the most severe 1930s these monasteries were outside the borders of the USSR. And so that “We’ll open a museum on Solovki and hire monks as employees”—that couldn’t happen. Even during the war, when the “patriotic unity of the church and the Soviet government” was emphasized in every possible way, in fact this “unity” was controlled within very strict limits, see for example. https://wg-lj.livejournal.com/2434143.html
  37. -3
    15 February 2024 18: 22
    the current time is a continuation of the collapse that began with the First World War and revolution, and the Soviet period was just an attempt to slow it down. Stalin and all the heads of the special services understood this.
    Europe is switching to electric cars, and in Russia, rusty troughs from the 80s are becoming more and more expensive. any products are already 1 thousand rubles per kg.
  38. +2
    15 February 2024 21: 04
    Thanks to the author for bringing new frustration to VO!
    Comments are better than the post itself.
    If we collect photographs in the archives that will be perceived negatively by us, this does not mean that those who managed to live in the USSR will forget the good and begin to remember only the bad.
    And generally speaking...
    Is there a country and a historical period when everything was just fine?
  39. +1
    16 February 2024 00: 14
    It’s clear... Those who destroyed the USSR and their ideological, and now not only ideological, but also quite material heirs, are still in power. And they are not going to go anywhere. All they can do is destroy things.
    There was no longer any essence in the official church, as well as in official communism, only an empty form.

    This is what pampering with liberalism and other abominations leads to. Nikitka, he lasted ten years on Stalin’s inertia, but didn’t get it for Lyonka - but the nomenklatura was fattening and being outrageous. Some strange associations arise for me, extremism is itching and radicalism swells by night.
  40. 0
    16 February 2024 01: 27
    In Donbass, most of the population came from Russia and Ukraine in the 30s and 50s after the war. According to my observations of my peers, if the father was a Russian, then in 90 percent of cases he does not drink and is hard-working, and if he is Russian, then somewhere through one...at the same time, they were smart and knew how to do everything, but they were some irresponsible shirtless guys and revelers.
    Ukrainians and Russians born and raised in Ukraine were softer in character compared to men from Russia. One of my friends was born here, after school she went to study in Moscow and worked for 40 years in the military industry and lived in Russia, then she retired and returned back and often noted this. Brezhnev was the same. maybe that’s why he let people live in peace a little.
  41. -4
    16 February 2024 03: 13
    The degeneration of the party elites was laid down by Stalin I.V. It was he who neither ensured the continuity of his power nor created a party elevator mechanism so that competent people would be at the head of the party, and not mechanical loyalists, ready at the first opportunity to plunge a knife into the back of a dead master (hello 20th Congress). Simply put, the Soviet Union created by Stalin could not exist without Stalin due to a number of objective and subjective factors.

    The entire party cohort, with rare exceptions (like Comrade Malenkov or Comrade Kosygin), had no chance of preserving the Union exactly since March 5, 1953. And the fierce dogmatic Marxism that ruled everything - even economics in tandem with politics played a secondary role and was subordinate to ideology - it left no chance for a normal reform of the system along the Chinese model.
    The Chinese, of course, also drank, having sunk to the genocide of sparrows, but they came to their senses in time and threw dogmatic-occult Marxism into the dustbin of history: and now in a “communist” state, 75-80% of GDP is formed by the private sector, with private ownership of the means of production. And rightly so.

    In our country, A.N. Kosygin could realize all this and partially even realized it by showing fantastic and honest% growth of the Soviet economy. But the oak trees were afraid, "this does not correspond to the teachings of Marxism-Leninism, we are curtailing the reform". The last nail in the coffin was hammered in the early 70s. Alas and ah.

    Two people - two chances - for two states: Stolypin and Kosygin. And just like that, it’s a waste of time to miss everything. Eh.
    1. -1
      16 February 2024 07: 29
      Quote: Shuridze
      The degeneration of the party elites was laid down by Stalin I.V. It was he who did not ensure the continuity of his power
      Did Lenin provide it, or did he rely on the collective wisdom of the party?
  42. 0
    16 February 2024 08: 33
    everything is written correctly. They developed the industry and infrastructure of the national republics, gave the will and opportunity to earn money to the residents of the national republics, in fact, the process of oppression of Russians was underway. I remember the events starting from 1978, everything was like that. It is not written about the division of the USSR into “belts” from the first to the fourth, the picture of the attitude towards Russians will become even clearer.
  43. 0
    16 February 2024 12: 09
    Khrushchev promised the people that in 20 years the Soviet people would live under communism. But it quickly became clear that this was a pipe dream with such a policy.
    Khrushchev did not promise this.
    In a report at the XXII Congress in 1961, he stated that by 1980 the material and technical base for building communism would be created.
    Only at the end of his speech N. Khrushchev pathetically declared that the CURRENT GENERATION of Soviet people will live under Communism.
    Didn't mention the date!
    1. 0
      16 February 2024 12: 58
      Quote: Valery Mamai
      In a report at the XXII Congress in 1961, he stated that by 1980 the material and technical base for building communism would be created. ... THE CURRENT GENERATION of Soviet people will live under Communism
      Okay, Khrushchev, but the full hall of Soviet communists delegated by the party applauded him furiously. What did these people have in their heads other than a passionate desire to satisfy their needs?
      1. 0
        16 February 2024 18: 46
        Quote: Stanislav_Shishkin
        What did these people have in their heads other than a passionate desire to satisfy their needs?

        One day Putin’s representatives arrived. The audience applauded. And the boss says to me: “Vovan, why aren’t you clapping?” "Fuck you, Ivanovich, through the forest."
  44. 0
    16 February 2024 19: 48
    This is all that I have repeatedly tried to convey to those who like to rubbish Brezhnev. Brezhnev is the continuer of the destruction of the USSR, which Khrushchev began.
    They, the Kremlin leaders, are simply tired of fighting. Born at the beginning of the century, they experienced a revolution with a radical breakdown of the state apparatus. They bore the Civil War with wild devastation on their shoulders. The first five-year plans dragged on, tearing their veins. On their backbone, in blood and @@@not, they pulled the country out of the most terrible war, which we know as the Great Patriotic War. And now the world is being built, the country is being built, nuclear missiles have appeared, providing protection from attack, and they have calmed down. They no longer wanted anything other than to live calmly until the natural end and not change anything. And then began what ended in 1991 - the slow dying of the country along with these tired Kremlin old men...
    1. -1
      17 February 2024 07: 11
      After all, “country” is just the Soviet laws by which society lived. If translated into normal language. Society is ending its life! In 1991, they just abandoned Soviet laws, and are still alive........ But the main thing is still ahead, and Brezhnev and Khrushchev were only the first symptoms of the dying weakness of society, and not some “old people”.
      At least there were old people back then, but today the main political slogan is: “And for whom else?...”. There's emptiness ahead
  45. -4
    18 February 2024 12: 00
    Thank God the commie yoke is over. I really hope that the era of ball and shvonders has sunk into oblivion forever. All that remains is to throw off the memory of Stalin’s obscurantism from the country and finally remove the effigy from the mausoleum and bury it.
    1. 0
      18 February 2024 16: 50
      Quote: SergiK
      Thank God the commie yoke is over. I really hope that the era of ball and shvonders has sunk into oblivion forever. All that remains is to throw off the memory of Stalin’s obscurantism from the country and finally remove the effigy from the mausoleum and bury it.
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      You're a moron, right?
  46. 0
    20 February 2024 04: 27
    it’s no better now...Putin’s cult of personality and so on. and so on..
  47. -2
    20 February 2024 08: 24
    "Peace became stagnation, which led the USSR to disaster."
    Dear author - learn HISTORY.
    The main reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union was economic. The decline of the economy was caused primarily by the “ardent” commitment of the party bosses to the idea of ​​internationalism, even to the detriment of national interests, and this began with V.I. Lenin.
    As for the communist idea, look at modern China.
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      20 February 2024 15: 12
      Quote: bug120560
      The main reason for the collapse of the Soviet Union was economic. The decline of the economy was caused primarily by the “ardent” commitment of the party bosses to the idea of ​​internationalism,

      Even internationalism does not bother the bourgeoisie; Marx talked about this in the 19th century. The wind is always at their back... But some dancers are also hindered by their balls... Well, their own oil and gas fields are generally a curse.....
      The normal ones are only disturbed by thieves and traitors, and the abnormal ones are "...isms..", ideas of justice.... From the State Planning Committee they have chaos, and Gaidar and Chubais "save the country" from a shortage of everything in the world - in a week... Chekhov's "ward No. 6" on the march...
  48. 0
    21 February 2024 10: 02
    A good article, as they say: not in the eyebrow, but in the eye. I largely agree with the author and...a modest comparison with the current state in the Country is absolutely justified. But very modest(
  49. 0
    21 February 2024 16: 22
    It's a terrible read, and it's true, but there's one fact missing. It was possible to destroy the Warsaw Pact states, it was possible to break off relations with the Soviet Union. Even in Czechoslovakia it manifested itself slowly, but it was a policy directed against the Soviet Union. No one particularly protested, only Soviet literature suddenly disappeared, high-quality Soviet films were taught in Russian, but there was no emphasis on their use, and problems arose from the USSR, because coming to Leningrad as a tourist was a problem. Therefore, in 1989, spineless politicians like Havel and his gang became the head of state. The rest didn’t care, only twenty years later we realized that we were paying for this with the loss of freedom and subordination to the United States. We are becoming a kind of colony of America. We paid dearly for our naivety and are still paying to this day. Brezhnev's policies destroyed even the strong, economically developed Czechoslovakia, and currently the youth are being raised to be anti-Russian. I'm really sorry. am
  50. 0
    24 February 2024 09: 55
    I studied and worked in the era of "stagnation". Despite all its shortcomings, the current jerks and breakthroughs are like a trolley compared to a locomotive.
  51. 0
    24 February 2024 17: 03
    There are inaccuracies in the article. In the Baltic states, built by all the USSR, there was no NEP. They imprisoned me for forza, currency, tights, and pants. Even for those pants that were made from fake materials. I was an ardent construction worker and traveled around the country. And I can responsibly say that the maximum suppression of activity was in Russia. With this I can explain why the Russians decided to abandon the Russians in other republics. Just betray.
  52. 0
    24 February 2024 17: 09
    Quote: ivan2022
    Talking about the Church is not funny!
    Even when Christ came to Judea, it was the church, the priests who hated Him and sought crucifixion.
    And in the Gospel He spoke with everyone except the priests of that time. Not a word with them.

    In the USSR there was no persecution of the church by law, but the Russian Orthodox Church hated the USSR from the very beginning because of church gold......
    She was deprived of legal property rights in the USSR. faces, that’s the reason..... “It wasn’t about the reel,” that is, not at all about the human soul.

    Was faith wavering because of gold? Is this exactly what Christ commanded? Wonderful.
  53. 0
    24 February 2024 18: 57
    Unfortunately, almost everything written in the article is true.
    Possessing now unimaginable resources, the Soviet Union collapsed precisely because of the ruling elite. Although it was in the seventies that a new generation grew up, some of whom sincerely believed in the future of communism and were well educated and quite active. If the elite were replaced and these young people were given a normal goal by carrying out reforms, at least like in China. Now we would live in a country where there would be no problems with others
  54. 0
    30 March 2024 08: 17
    Quote: MBRBS
    It is a pity that the USSR was cut down on the threshold of the computer revolution.
    Sorry, who cut it and when? In fact, until 1967, the USSR was approximately neck and neck with the West on computers. Moreover, in the USSR there was competition among computer manufacturers. So, by the mid-1960s, the following competing mainframe architectures existed in the USSR: BESM, Ural, Minsk, Hrazdan, Dnepr.
    There was “Setun”, which was a mini-computer, i.e. in principle, a machine of a completely different architecture.
    At that time, world-famous scientists, V.M. Glushkov, S.A. Lebedev (as well as I.S. Bruk, B.I. Rameev, M.K. Sulim) proposed developing a fundamentally new architecture, taking all the best that was in all these BESMs, Urals, but getting rid of their flaws (and these models, of course, at the end of the 60s were no longer ideal, to put it mildly). Yes, at the same time it was still possible to use the experience of creating System/360.
    Those. generally speaking, we were talking about the same breakthrough in the computer industry of the USSR as the breakthrough that had been achieved in space. And, strictly speaking, it would be logical to expect from the USSR precisely such an approach in the second most important industry after space (and the importance of computers, both in the military and in the civilian field, was comparable to space programs).
    Moreover, since the EU project was supposed to be carried out by the entire socialist camp, the opinion of the allies in the ATS was also important. They all - with the exception of the GDR - were against copying the IBM-360.

    But alas, in the upper echelons of the USSR a different point of view prevailed, which briefly boiled down to the following statement: “There are no funds.” Here it is - a verdict that puts an end to all the lisp that they didn’t spare money on science in the USSR. Where there! They regretted it and still regretted it.
    It was decided that stealing the IBM-360 architecture (with the help of Indian colleagues) would be easier, cheaper and faster. Deputy Minister of Radio Industry of the USSR M.K. Sulim, in protest against the decision to copy the IBM-360 instead of continuing his developments, resigned directly at the board of the Ministry of Radio Industry, at which the fate of the Unified Series as a project for cloning the IBM-360 was finally decided.

    One of the programming gurus, Edsger Dijkstra, much later, in a lecture given in Russia, called the Soviet decision to copy the IBM-360 “the greatest victory of the West in the Cold War.” In 1996, the curator of the British Computer Museum, Doron Swade, stated that the BESM-6, created in 1967, was “by all accounts the last original Russian computer that was designed on par with its Western counterpart" Does this mean anything? As a result, by the time of the collapse of the USSR, 99% of the domestic VT fleet, according to Rameev’s estimates, was 10-25 years behind the world level.

    So, if until 1967 the USSR was approximately neck and neck with the West on computers, then having made a somersault with the theft of the System/360 architecture, the USSR then fell sharply behind by 15-20 years.
    If this had happened in 1985-89. then admirers of L.I. Brezhnev would now be whining in unison about “Gorbachev’s agent of influence.” But the thing is that this blow to domestic computer technology was dealt in the late 1960s, i.e. precisely in the “blessed Brezhnev era.” This is where the reason for the deepest computer lag between the USSR and the West is rooted.
  55. 0
    April 13 2024 15: 36
    Degradation of power in Russia there was nothing to feed Asia and the Caucasus and now we get bais for feeding and the current government has the same problems, we still pay tribute so that they don’t throw something away everything will continue endlessly when they understand the devils love power, they love it We’re afraid we’ll put it in its place then and they’ll respect it. Now the same thing is going on; they’ll fill their pockets and dump Wagner when he was on his way to Moscow, who dumped them; now they’re sitting in the Duma again; they’re legal; they’re figuring out how to undress mere mortals; they won’t get drunk. That's all our power
  56. 0
    April 20 2024 10: 42
    Author, stop lying and talking anti-Soviet. Nowadays it is a paradise for theft, wars, terror, interethnic conflicts, the inability of the leadership of the center and at the local level to lead the country. Endless emergency floods and fires. Peak of "paradise"