A few questions about the capture of Avdeevka

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A few questions about the capture of Avdeevka

It so happened that I took a break from the current situation in Ukraine for several days and delved into history The Second World War and the events that took place quite recently in the Northern Military District zone, the capture of Mariupol and Artemovsk. The reason, as almost always happens, is in the questions of our readers. In particular, in Avdeevka and other fortified areas, or more precisely, fortresses created by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in recent months and even years.

I wrote the same phrases many times in my materials. Everything goes according to plan. There is no need to rush things. We must take care of our personnel. Today I repeat these words once again. Suvorov, not many years ago, but centuries ago, expressed the brilliant idea of ​​war not by numbers, but by skill. This also applies to modern wars. Including SVO.



Avdeevka must be taken, and it will be taken. The question is how to take it. I'm not talking about battle tactics. Alas, any commander in a particular place will make independent decisions taking into account a specific combat mission. There are no recipes here. There are options for solutions, there is the experience of other commanders, there is intuition, but the choice is still up to the specific commander. Repeating such matters is like death. The enemy is also no fool and studies our tactics no less than we do.

I have already written about the fact that the enemy uses the experience of Nazi Germany when organizing defense. Be that as it may, this experience is quite extensive and multifaceted. The Nazis knew how to defend themselves, and the capture of even small towns on German territory cost us a lot of blood. Moreover, the blood of those who by that time had considerable combat experience.

A little about defense resilience


Very often, largely thanks to films and descriptions of the exploits of soldiers and officers in the media, we do not think about what determines a soldier’s stamina in defense. Why do some units stand even under the pressure of superior enemy forces, while others lose ground?

Let's talk about the fighting spirit, ideology, and personal heroism of each soldier later. This is really important. But for each soldier separately. And for a platoon, company, battalion or even regiment? Are they specially selecting only potential heroes?

Alas, this does not happen. Receive commander reinforcements and win. It is not the soldier’s fault that he is poorly trained or timid at first. Now he is yours, so make him trained and brave.

So why is the defense holding out?

In my opinion, the first and most important factor in the stability of the defense is the possibility of rotation and supply. If a soldier is confident that if he is wounded he will be evacuated to the rear, he will really stand until the last bullet. If there are enough of these same cartridges, he will stand. And other goodies are added to the cartridges...

An equally important factor is the reserve. The fighter must know that if he “presses hard,” the superior commander will send reinforcements, and the line will be held. Reinforcements will not be abandoned “somewhere nearby”, but will be delivered quickly to this particular unit. Sometimes the appearance of even a small detachment in the trenches radically changes the situation.

Some write about barrier detachments. Complete nonsense, I think. How many interviews of prisoners are now on the Internet. Yes, barrier detachments from the Right Sector and “ideological” groups are used by the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and what is the result? Does this greatly improve the morale of the Wehrmacht?

I think it becomes clear why our units are trying to cut off the supply routes for the Avdeevka garrison. There is no rear, no hope for help, no ammunition, no reinforcements... In such conditions it is somehow difficult to talk about high morale. The only options left are to die heroically or “go missing in action,” which is much more likely.

By the way, this also applies to less significant defense lines. What happened in Mariupol? At those moments when the defense of a house or other line was opened by our troops, the remnants of the Ukrainian units went to the next prepared line. They started talking about stopping hostilities only when these very “other houses” were no longer left, when the defenders were driven into the basements of Azovstal...

If the enemy does not surrender, he...


Now about how to take the city.

I'll start with a well-known fact. The enemy does not bother with thoughts about preserving the buildings and structures of the fortified city. Remember how many buildings were simply blown up by the Ukrainian Armed Forces in Artemovsk or Mariupol. If it is necessary for defense, then there is no moral or other doubt. The attitude of the Ukrainian army towards cities, and indeed towards the population, has long been known. This is enemy territory...

From the point of view of military expediency, this is quite logical. The city is exactly the same battlefield as any other. It's just that the battle is fought according to different rules. Ultimately, whether the city remains or whether it will have to be surrendered will not affect its condition in any way. The use of modern weapons in any case will lead to either destruction or critical defeat of the majority of defended positions. Cynically? Maybe, but this is the logic of war.

Probably many have seen aerial photography of the village of Krynki. The photographs of a peaceful settlement look especially epic in comparison with what remains there today. At the same time, Ukrainian units exist there and hold the defense. Why? The answer is simple. It is easier to defend destroyed buildings.

If you properly equip the basement or ground floor of a building in engineering terms, and then carefully undermine everything above, you will get a completely tolerable stronghold. And if you also create a system of underground passages to other buildings, then... Remember the incomprehensible explosions of buildings in other fortified cities? In fact, everything is clear. By the way, this is not an invention of Ukrainians. This is how we defended Stalingrad. This is how the Germans defended Berlin.

Even then, military engineers successfully equipped layered defense in cities. These are well-known facts that are studied in military schools. The first line is what I wrote about above. Next is the second line in the next non-destroyed houses. The defenders work against the infantry from the first line, and when tanks and self-propelled guns, second-line anti-tank weapons come into play. In any case, the losses of the attackers will be significant.

I absolutely do not understand the talk about the methods of using tanks and self-propelled guns, for example, in the Berlin operation, which must be “transferred” to modern warfare. Tanks on the streets that help the infantry destroy pillboxes and bunkers with tank gun fire. Moreover, an example is given of an episode from a feature film, supposedly filmed based on real events in the Northern Military District zone.

I will not say that this could not have happened. Anything can happen in war. But a tank “at arm’s length” from the enemy in an urban environment is an extreme case. Now is not 1941 or even 1945. The infantry has so many PTS in its arsenal that the life of such a tank will be measured in minutes at best.

So how to take Avdeevka?

I have already mentioned the first option. Boiler and squeeze. Destroy equipment and personnel, as was the case in Mariupol.

The second option has also already been used. This is the Wagner PMC in Artemovsk. Methodical squeezing of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the city. Advance, no matter what, with the destruction of those who do not surrender. The option is cruel, but effective. The musicians still inspire fear in the soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

There is another option.

Historical, invented not by us, but by our Western allies during the capture of German cities. Massive bombing, with complete destruction of the city or city districts. When prepared positions were destroyed along with civilians and all infrastructure. Intimidation tactics. But also effective.

Assault groups and detachments...


I cannot ignore the issue, which is being actively discussed today on various platforms. This is a question about assault groups and detachments that performed well in the capture of fortresses during the Great Patriotic War. Some consider such units almost as a panacea for capturing fortresses.

But excuse me, were the assault groups and detachments permanent units of the Red Army or were they created on a temporary basis to participate in any specific operation? There were no such units on a permanent basis in the Red Army! There wasn't even a full-time staff. They were created by order of the commander and, depending on the task, received enormous reinforcement by army standards.

Thus, an assault group (usually a rifle company) could receive a tank platoon, an artillery battery, an engineer platoon, a flamethrower platoon, and even heavy artillery. It is clear that there was no point in comparing the power of an ordinary rifle company and an assault company. The assault detachment, which was usually created on the basis of an infantry battalion, looked even more powerful.

It’s impossible to create an assault group, I’m not even talking about a detachment, even in a regiment. That is why groups and detachments were created in armies and fronts. I very much doubt the possibility of creating such a detachment in the Avdeevka area. I doubt the effectiveness of this unit even more now. Can he act without support? aviation? Without drones? Alas. It’s easier to strengthen the brigade and act with this particular formation. Which, in principle, is what is happening today.

Let's take...


Be that as it may, Avdeevka will be ours.

While I fell out of the information space, our units significantly strained the Armed Forces of Ukraine with their actions. The river of logistics has turned into a trickle. I think plan number one is being implemented. The Armed Forces of Ukraine have nothing to oppose it yet.

Zelensky is trying to do something, but it is not very convincing. Yesterday's extension of martial law in Ukraine will lead to an exacerbation of all Ukrainian problems. And the cancellation of the elections, which automatically occurred after the extension of the VP (Zelensky’s legitimacy ends in May), generally calls into question the legitimacy of the entire regime.

The conflict between Zelensky and Zaluzhny is also very interesting. Let them squabble. I doubt that this will strengthen the defense of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, including in Avdiivka...
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  1. “It’s not the soldier’s fault that he is poorly trained or timid at first. Now he is yours, so make him trained and brave" -

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    - “It’s hard to learn, easy to fight”...
    (A.V.Suvorov)
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    "If you can't, we'll help you."
      if you don't know how, we'll teach you
    If you don't want to, we'll force you!"
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    1. +9
      February 9 2024
      - “It’s hard to learn, easy to fight”...
      (A.V.Suvorov)

      "It's hard to learn, but it's easy to travel." Suvorov understood that things couldn’t be easy in battle.
      1. ""It's hard to learn, but it's easy to travel." Suvorov understood that things couldn’t be easy in battle.”

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        — Both editions have the right to exist. To comment on a quote from an article, in my opinion, the first option is more suitable. You have the right to have a different opinion...
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        1. +3
          February 9 2024
          Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
          Both editions have the right to exist


          Your edit is not a quote from Suvorov.
        2. +12
          February 9 2024
          Alas, any commander in a particular place will make independent decisions taking into account a specific combat mission. There are no recipes here. There are options for solutions, there is the experience of other commanders, there is intuition, but the choice is still up to the specific commander.

          Well, just a partisan detachment deep in the rear of civilians. But it’s okay that there should be a concept of tactical combat in modern warfare, options for offensive and defensive combat. But it doesn’t matter that the equipping of units and units with equipment and weapons must be organized, based on the adopted tactics. It’s okay that the training of troops and their planned training and education are built on this basis. This is how it should be in the front line army, and not training in shooting from personal weapons, throwing grenades, shooting from RPGs... Tactical techniques are not invented on the front line, but are introduced and mastered in training centers under the guidance of instructors and using the most advanced weapons and equipment . But the leadership began to see the light only after the losses in the Northern Military District and is still seeing the light... and before that they were stupid and sat in complete inaction and lack of understanding of the features of modern war. That's it, guys... This is an explanation for you at a "children's" level, so that it would be clear to everyone...
  2. +16
    February 9 2024
    "You can't embrace what you can't embrace"
    An attempt to cover, as the author put it, several issues, resulted in a lengthy article; not a single issue was addressed. So with the world one by one.
    1. +10
      February 9 2024
      The article is behind the times, and Zaluzhny was removed, and ours are already in the center of Avdeevka.
      1. +21
        February 9 2024
        From the first lines it was clear that Mr. Staver wrote the article. Everything is going according to plan for him. Even the mess in the country is also according to plan. Previously, these were HPPs, but as they say, they were treated culturally. They began to push through “according to plan.” Now they steal according to plan , they are selling the Fatherland, kissing the hands of the enemies of the people and according to the “plan” they lie, lie and lie everywhere and constantly.
      2. -1
        February 10 2024
        The author was completely lost in time, in the situation, and simply in reality. What remains is soul-lifting fortitude
    2. +5
      February 9 2024
      Quote: Arkadich
      "You can't embrace what you can't embrace"

      The author's attempt to "embrace..." resulted in empty chatter. About everything and nothing.
      He knows that he knows nothing. - paraphrase.
  3. +13
    February 9 2024
    One question interests me: After the capture of Avdeevka, will the front collapse? Will there be a complete liberation of Donbass?
    1. 0
      February 9 2024
      One question interests me: After the capture of Avdeevka, will the front collapse? Will there be a complete liberation of Donbass?

      Actually, these are two questions.
      1. No.
      2. Yes.
      1. +14
        February 9 2024
        Quote: Arkadich
        One question interests me: After the capture of Avdeevka, will the front collapse? Will there be a complete liberation of Donbass?

        Actually, these are two questions.
        1. No.
        2. Yes.

        I believe that while Donbass continues to be bombed, it is too early to talk about its complete liberation. That’s when people will be sure that nothing will come to them and they can live in peace, go out onto the streets, etc. - then yes.
        1. +1
          February 9 2024
          That’s when people will be sure that nothing will come to them and they can live in peace, go out onto the streets, etc. - then yes.

          This is not a good criterion. Because we are not sure in Moscow and it flies here.
          Does this mean that Moscow has been captured?
          1. +3
            February 9 2024
            A day ago, in Gorlovka, a team set out to repair a damaged electrical substation. She was accompanied by an FSB group, during which they landed 8 UAVs with airdrops that tried to interfere with them. Does this happen in Moscow? Why would an ambulance ride in armored armor with helmets?
        2. +1
          February 9 2024
          "I believe that for now Donbass continues to be bombed"
          In general, Donbass is a Donetsk region, the complete liberation of which is still very far away. but they can bomb it even after
        3. Uno
          +2
          February 9 2024
          Belgorod cried, not waiting for liberation)
    2. +12
      February 9 2024
      Quote: parusnik
      One question interests me: After the capture of Avdeevka, will the front collapse? Will there be a complete liberation of Donbass?

      no...there will be another "Avdeevka".
      1. +3
        February 9 2024
        And the same articles, only instead of Avdeevka, there is a different name for the settlement, and then bam, and we are near Slavyansk, two years later.
        1. +2
          February 9 2024
          "Bam, and we are near Slavyansk, in two years."
          optimist laughing
          1. +2
            February 9 2024
            optimist
            .... Well, as an arithmetic mean.. I didn’t write that we will liberate Slavyansk, but we will be there, somewhere nearby..
      2. +3
        February 10 2024
        "Avdeevka Fortress", "Mariinsky Fortress", "Bakhmut Fortress", Peski Fortress... some "fortresses" on the road...
    3. +2
      February 9 2024
      Alexey, I’m talking about this too, nothing will change on the fronts, the main thing is not to break it, but to grind it...
      1. +6
        February 9 2024
        Grinding how many of our people die. On January 26, my wife’s nephew was wounded. The mortar crew attacked the drone, the boy did not have time to take cover. A fragment near the spine. Now I’m in the hospital, I’ve been to two before, and finally they’ll do a CT scan in this one. The guy was conscripted, three months later he was taken away for mobilization in October, his father died of cancer in December. He was 58 years old. The boy is not married. And how will he raise the demographics?
        1. +1
          February 10 2024
          And how will he raise the demographics?
          Like my grandfather raised me. Born in 18 Called up in May '39. Polish, Finnish, Great Patriotic War (Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk), met my grandmother on Mamayev Kurgan at 42. Married at 43 near Kursk. Two children. Demobilized in '46.
      2. +1
        February 9 2024
        not to break, but to grind...
        [Quote] [/ quote]
        ....Yes, I remember, Staver, wrote about this: “we grind, we grind.”. When threshing, there is usually flour.. Avdeevka and Artemovsk cannot be called flour.. The result, I mean.
    4. +5
      February 9 2024
      Quote: parusnik
      I'm interested in one question. After Avdeevka is captured, will the front collapse?

      No! Alas. The front can collapse only when a large group of our troops passes through its rear, smashing them. When all supply routes to enemy troops are cut off. Then a mass retreat (flight) of the adversary occurs.
      But the liberation of the entire Donbass will still happen.
      1. +2
        February 9 2024
        But the liberation of the entire Donbass will still happen
        Yes, I agree, when one stick and nine holes will exterminate an entire army; when the king bares his head and we remain in our hats; when... Well, we will find out the third condition when the first two are fulfilled.
    5. +1
      February 9 2024
      They will recapture Avdeevka, they will not recapture Avdeevka. NATO artillery shoots quite far. As with Marinka, they seem to have taken it, but as they fired at it, they still fired at it. Probably there is simply no strength for larger goals. And coming from the rear from the Belgorod region is scary because of the response from the Ukrainians to the cities in the old Russian regions.
    6. 0
      February 12 2024
      If 10 thousand of those who resist there are killed or taken prisoner, this will seriously help our army... it will be -10000 of their 404x.
  4. +3
    February 9 2024
    Quote: Arkadich
    An attempt to cover, as the author put it, several issues, resulted in a lengthy article; not a single issue was addressed. So with the world one by one.

    Exactly so, but this is Comrade Staver, his signature handwriting... The main thing is the comments!
  5. +17
    February 9 2024
    There were no such units on a permanent basis in the Red Army!
    to the author, such abbreviations as ShSBR, OSHISBR in the ranks of the Red Army do not mean anything? No? .... Or Separate Assault Engineering Engineer BRIGADES were created like this. according to place and need??? belay And they didn’t select the strongest and smartest... they didn’t conduct separate training in assault tactics... No? Not for them were they created “cuirasses”?...
    1. +10
      February 9 2024
      You are not fair to the author, in the first lines of his “work” he writes: “he went deep into the history of the Second World War” (c).. And here you are with your “amateurism” laughing hi
      1. +7
        February 9 2024
        And here you are with your “amateurism”
        Thank you for amateur ! This is true. And unlike.. the “author”, in my place (professionally) I do my job as it should. hi
        1. +7
          February 9 2024
          Thank you for being an amateur!
          If you noticed the word “amateurishness,” I put it in quotation marks, without doubting your professionalism.
          1. +4
            February 9 2024
            I put “amateurishness” in quotes
            in short, an amateur is someone who has mastered some specialty (at least in general terms), science, subject, etc., without special education))) I have no history education. This is the field in which I have been working for the last 20 years, I am an amateur. But I work professionally))) Lan.. let’s not start flooding off topic)))
            1. +4
              February 9 2024
              Let’s not, reading the author’s articles, he writes such blunders about history... His delving into history raises serious doubts
  6. +1
    February 9 2024
    “So how to take Avdeevka?”

    Only the first option.

    For the second, there is not so much infantry that can suffer such terrible losses.

    The third option is most likely invented - during World War II I don’t remember a case where, after the bombing of a city, the Germans left it or surrendered. After the war, the Allies themselves recognized the ineffectiveness of carpet bombing of cities in a military sense. And the Author correctly states that a destroyed city is easier to defend. It should be taken into account that the military suffers fewer losses than civilians, since they are better prepared and are not burdened with women, the elderly and children, who suffer the most.

    But the terrorist bombing of Rotterdam by the Germans most likely had an effect, since the Dutch surrendered immediately after it. The atomic bombing of Japan had the same meaning.

    That is, the bombing of cities was not aimed at the troops located there, but at other objects, including civilians, and was aimed at a political, not military, result.

    During World War II, the United States, unlike the British, believed that the goal of strategic aviation should be the economy, not the population, and bombed ball-bearing factories and petrochemical plants (the British often bombed working-class suburbs to destroy the workforce). According to my information, the US strategy turned out to be more effective; the population turned out to be easier to hide and protect than workshops and tanks. In any case, the target was not troops.
    1. +2
      February 9 2024
      How to liberate the entire Donbass? How about Avdeevka and Artemovsk? It seems that the occupied part of Donbass is the territory of France and Germany combined.
      1. +2
        February 9 2024
        Quote: kor1vet1974
        How to liberate the entire Donbass? How about Avdeevka and Artemovsk? It seems that the occupied part of Donbass is the territory of France and Germany combined.


        IMHO, there are several options, except for the apocalyptic ones.
        1. The Ukrainian Armed Forces will fall apart from our attacks with current forces and roll back on their own, and we will enter the vacated territory. I don't think this option is too likely yet.
        2. We will mobilize and gain a significant advantage. This option gives us a win in the war, but may lead to subsequent economic collapse - or even immediate collapse. I hope this won't happen.
        3. As a result of negotiations, Ukraine itself will give up Donbass without military pressure, sensing an imminent collapse or for some other reason. An unlikely option.
        4. We will exhaust the available offensive potential and stop, Ukraine will run out of steam, will not launch a new offensive and there will be negotiations, as a result of which Donbass will be given to us, and we will give something else, for example, having captured part of the Kharkov region, we will give this territory . An unlikely option.
        5. We will not get Donbass at all; peace or a truce will be concluded based on the “current situation on the LBS.”
        1. +2
          February 9 2024
          We will mobilize
          ...And who will go to work in the vacant positions? To the point that it will not be possible to carry out full mobilization. It seems that this is on the fifth point, a situation will arise, no peace, no war... When their bourgeoisie agree with our bourgeoisie, I don’t mean at the government level, then something will happen .
          1. 0
            February 9 2024
            Quote: kor1vet1974
            We will mobilize
            ...And who will go to work in the vacant positions? To the point that it will not be possible to carry out full mobilization. It seems that this is on the fifth point, a situation will arise, no peace, no war... When their bourgeoisie agree with our bourgeoisie, I don’t mean at the government level, then something will happen .


            I write that with mobilization there will be an economic collapse, only it can come after lunch or before it.

            Of course, everything will end in negotiations in any case, and ours have repeatedly stated that they are ready for them. However, in Ukraine, negotiations are prohibited by law under our current President, so both sides are at a dead end.

            The “bourgeoisie” will not agree at present - in the end, both the conflict itself and its course are caused by the interests of the “bourgeoisie”, that is, the situation is beneficial to some of them.
            1. +2
              February 9 2024
              therefore both sides are at an impasse.
              At the official level, yes, at the unofficial level, no. The bourgeoisie, international in their essence, transnational corporations, hee hee, ha ha, yeah, it would be more correct to call them international corporations. The bourgeoisie on both sides will still find a consensus.. And then we'll see what will happen as a result of this. On both sides.
              1. +1
                February 9 2024
                Quote: kor1vet1974
                therefore both sides are at an impasse.
                At the official level, yes, at the unofficial level, no. The bourgeoisie, international in their essence, transnational corporations, hee hee, ha ha, yeah, it would be more correct to call them international corporations. The bourgeoisie on both sides will still find a consensus.. And then we'll see what will happen as a result of this. On both sides.


                You say everything correctly, but let's understand the mechanism.

                And here, in Ukraine, real power is wielded by the “bourgeois” who, through governments, rule the countries. Now those in power are the “bourgeois” who benefit from the situation, which is why there are no negotiations. At the same time, ours seem to be more inclined to negotiate - judging by the words of our authorities.

                When they say, “let’s bomb Zelensky so that Ukraine goes to peace,” I laugh - we need to bomb those who stand behind him, but they seem to be far away.
            2. +1
              February 9 2024
              “In the end, both the conflict itself and its course are caused by the interests of the “bourgeois”, that is, the situation is beneficial to some of them.”
              and for some it is unprofitable, so they will negotiate
          2. +2
            February 9 2024
            In theory - teenagers, women. Like in WWII.
            1. +1
              February 9 2024
              In theory - teenagers, women. Like in WWII.
              What about in practice?
              1. 0
                February 9 2024
                In practice, a complete collapse of the economy is likely.
                1. 0
                  February 9 2024
                  In practice, a complete collapse of the economy is likely.
                  So this is what we are talking about
        2. +1
          February 9 2024
          “IMHO, there are several options, except for the apocalyptic ones.
          1.....2....3...4...5...,"
          6, the most likely - little green men will fly in...
    2. +11
      February 9 2024
      You, like Alexander, do not have very clear concepts about the assault. Strategic aviation solved strategic problems and leveled cities behind enemy lines. Tactical aviation acted in the interests of ground forces, including during the assault on cities. At the same time, Allied fighter-bombers plowed up the fortifications with bombs and PCs, at the same time killing the civilian population.
      An interesting story was told in my youth by our safety engineer Vladimir Ivanovich, who was a squadron squadron attack aircraft during the war. On April 27, 1945, they attacked the Berlin station in two passes (I don’t remember which one). The first attack is a deliberate miss, so that a nearby building collapses. Second, no bombing at all.
      An order is an order - carried out. When they were later awarded (for Berlin in general, and not for this operation), they were told what the matter was. Our assault groups could not overcome the last 200 in the open, so it was decided to scare the Germans so that they dived into the cracks, and during the second approach, our assault units rushed through the open space and, throwing grenades and burning the machine gunners with flamethrowers, burst into the station. The stunned enemy offered virtually no resistance.
    3. +1
      February 9 2024
      US strategy turned out to be more effective

      This is wrong. Nazi Germany achieved its greatest volumes of industrial production during the period of strategic bombing by the Allies. The Germans successfully covered the most critical air defense areas and built underground factories.

      And this despite the fact that Hitler, according to Speer, made a major strategic mistake; And instead of the developed homing anti-aircraft missiles (even in those days), I decided to build attack FAUs.
      So strategic bombing is not justified against a motivated enemy.

      As for the “boiler”, the option is, of course, a good one. But already now, the number of troops that prevent it from collapsing exceeds the number directly in the cauldron. laughing
      Perhaps this trend will worsen further.

      Boilers were good in a war of maneuver, and not in the current positional deadlocks. IMHO, given the current situation, the best option is high-quality assault troops. If from analogues of WW2, they took Koenigsberg. love
      1. +2
        February 9 2024
        And if there had been no bombing, how much would production have increased in 45?
      2. 0
        February 10 2024
        This is wrong. Nazi Germany achieved its greatest volumes of industrial production during the period of strategic bombing by the Allies.

        Until 1943, Germany lived in peacetime, as if there was no war. And only then they began to transfer the country to a war footing, which is why production increased. But much less than it could. The German Tiger 2 was built, for example, only a third of what was planned.
        1. 0
          February 12 2024
          For example, only a third of the German Tiger 2s were built

          Unfortunately, problems with industrial. production in Nazi Germany occurred only when its opponents actually captured factories or sources of raw materials on the ground.

          Just the problem with the quality and quantity of armor production, after the physical loss of access to significant components, illustrates this very much. Until this happened, the Germans were doing well with the production of armored vehicles, despite the strategic bombings. sad
          1. 0
            February 12 2024
            The Tiger had a complex design and production involved many suppliers affected by the bombing. The plan to release Tiger 2 was disrupted almost initially by bombing.
            In accordance with the order of the Armament Directorate, it was planned to produce 1237 Tiger II tanks with an average assembly rate of 120 vehicles per month. However, these plans were not destined to come true from the very beginning. Back on October 23, 1943, that is, three days after the display at the Aris training ground, 486 British bombers bombed Kassel. The city was destroyed by 80%, including the Henschel factories.
            1. 0
              February 12 2024
              The city was destroyed by 80%, including the Henschel factories.

              This is a well-known topic. Kassel was destroyed, but Henschel-Werke stood away from the city and was not damaged. And the dark humor is that the first Tiger-2 was released precisely in October 1943, when Kassel was bombed. sad

              And the production rate did drop, mainly due to the fact that the German army retreated from the alloying additive deposits. Accordingly, the quality of structural and armor steels has dropped. And in a heavy tank, where everything was already at the limit, German designers and engineers had to redesign the tank on the knee, taking into account the deterioration of materials. Subsequently, factories for the production of a number of components were also lost, which further complicated production.
  7. +3
    February 9 2024
    There were no such units on a permanent basis in the Red Army!
    Maybe I’m wrong, but in the Soviet Army there was a whole army, units that were trained specifically for combat in urban conditions, but were disbanded in the 90s during the first Chechen war.
    1. +10
      February 9 2024
      Quote: kor1vet1974
      There were no such units on a permanent basis in the Red Army!
      Maybe I’m wrong, but in the Soviet Army there was a whole army, units that were trained specifically for combat in urban conditions, but were disbanded in the 90s during the first Chechen war.

      I don’t know about the army. Shock Army. there was and is such a concept. And I clearly remember the abbreviation DSB - airborne assault battalion. That is, there were such units in the SA. And there were separate air assault brigades in the USSR. As a result, by the beginning of 1980, an additional 9 brigades were created, which increased their total number to 12:
      11th separate air assault brigade - ZabVO, Mogocha and Amazar, Chita region, RSFSR;
      13th separate air assault brigade - Far East Military District, Magdagachi and Zavitinsk, Amur Region, RSFSR;
      21st separate air assault brigade - ZakVO, Kutaisi, Georgian SSR;
      35th Separate Guards Air Assault Brigade - GSVG, Cottbus, East Germany;
      36th separate airborne assault brigade - LenVO, town. Garbolovo, Leningrad region, RSFSR;
      37th separate air assault brigade - PribVO, Chernyakhovsk, Kaliningrad region, RSFSR;
      38th Separate Guards Air Assault Brigade - BelVO, Brest, Brest Region, Byelorussian SSR;
      39th separate air assault brigade - PrikVO, Khyrov, Lvov region, Ukrainian SSR;
      40th separate airborne assault brigade - OdVO, town. Bolshaya Korenikha, Nikolaev region, Ukrainian SSR;
      56th Separate Guards Airborne Assault Brigade - TurkVO, formed in the city of Chirchik, Uzbek SSR and introduced into Afghanistan;
      57th separate air assault brigade - SAVO, town. Aktogay), Semipalatinsk region, Kazakh SSR;
      58th separate air assault brigade (framed) - KVO, Kremenchug, Poltava region, Ukrainian SSR.
      1. +4
        February 9 2024
        Yeah, that's how, thank you very much, I'll know.
      2. +5
        February 9 2024
        Let me clarify a little. Precisely in the ground forces, not the airborne forces.
        1. -2
          February 10 2024
          They were not created for urban battles.
          Airborne assault formations of the USSR Ground Forces - formations and individual units of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of the USSR, intended to carry out tactical and operational-tactical landings.

          https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Десантно-штурмовые_формирования_Сухопутных_войск_СССР
  8. -2
    February 9 2024
    The only thing that can be stated unequivocally is that Avdiivka, according to tradition, will be taken without losses.
  9. +8
    February 9 2024
    the enemy uses the experience of Nazi Germany

    June twenty-second
    At exactly four o’clock
    Kiev bombed,
    We were told
    That war began.

    Yes, the author has parallels! winked laughing
    1. -2
      February 9 2024
      Quote: Portos Portosjan
      June twenty-second
      At exactly four o’clock
      Kiev bombed,
      We were told
      That war began.

      Yes, the author has parallels!

      These are your parallels. A parallel world . And Kyiv began to burn in 2013 in December .. It was you who jumped there and shouted - “Dyvyzia ess Galychyna, dyvyziya heroes” .. It was you who, all for money and under the control of the CIA and Washington with Aunt Nuland’s cookies, destroyed the country. --“Just as they sowed the wind, they will also reap the storm: it will not have standing bread; the grain will not produce flour; and if it does, strangers will swallow it up.” That’s not what I said. This was said a long time ago... Thousands of years ago... But you STUPID!!!! ..
  10. +11
    February 9 2024
    What can I say... If each regional center takes as much time as Bakhmut and Avdeevka, the North Military District will stretch for decades
    1. +2
      February 9 2024
      Well, one person said (I don’t remember his last name because it’s been so long ago) that he’s a chicken by the grain. And the bar of the hundred years war is still far away.
    2. +1
      February 10 2024
      Not to mention the fact that after this only ruins remain, which is natural during such assaults :((
  11. +6
    February 9 2024
    Some kind of abracadabra, especially with the options for taking Avdeevka. The first is destruction with squeezing out, the second is squeezing out with destruction, and the third is generally a fairy tale - Dresden, which the Allies did not take, unlike Paris, for example.
  12. +9
    February 9 2024
    The 1st Chechen Army stormed Grozny without completely encircling it. On the southern side, the militants carried out reinforcements and brought in ammunition. As a result of 3 months of fighting, the militants left the city.
    During the 2nd campaign, Grozny was already completely blocked from all sides. The assault itself lasted for about a month, after which the militants made a breakthrough because the military supply was running out, there were no reinforcements, and there was nowhere to take the wounded.
    Therefore the conclusion is simple. Either they don’t want to, as is correct, or they can’t.
    1. +3
      February 9 2024
      Therefore, normal and adequate generals always encircle the city in a double ring and strengthen the enemy’s areas in order to prevent a breakthrough or reinforcement of the enemy. Otherwise, the civilian population may suffer losses and damage to troops and equipment from the stupidity of the generals.
  13. +3
    February 9 2024
    "Be that as it may, Avdeevka will be ours."
    Yeah, we won’t surrender Kherson either, remember.
    1. +6
      February 9 2024
      Yeah, we won’t surrender Kherson either, remember.
      Let’s not forget, and we won’t leave about Zmeiny from the beginning, and then, yes, he was not needed. A subtle analyst, author, however..
      1. +4
        February 9 2024
        Yes, I just don’t want to stir everything up.
      2. +1
        February 9 2024
        If I’m not mistaken, Dugin gave the idea that whoever controls Zmeiny controls the course of history
        1. 0
          February 10 2024
          "Dugin gave away the idea that who is in control"
          A very smart person, this Dugin. one word, political scientist
    2. -4
      February 9 2024
      "Be that as it may, Avdeevka will be ours."
      Yeah, we won’t surrender Kherson either, remember.

      You know how to throw at a fan.
      But in fact?
      You doubt that Avdeevka will be ours.
  14. +7
    February 9 2024
    I believe that Avdeevka will be liberated when Mr. full-time political officer of the Military District personally goes there and, as they say, LIBERATES it
  15. +3
    February 9 2024
    Why are you deceiving yourself and us? There was no plan initially, we must say things by their proper names, what is happening there and what has happened and now a bilateral meat grinder continues. Merciless and cruel and senseless in its essence. Here, in the comments, one comrade correctly said that Andreevka does not and could not have any strategic significance, for example, like Lviv or Kiev, but the Ukrainians and we, for our part, have brought it to such an extent that we are forced to play by the rules of the enemy, which we imposed. If we summarize all the adequate comments, then we just need to go around and take such fortified areas into the cauldron and destroy everyone without exception because there has long been no civilian population or historical monuments to preserve. Therefore, dropping several high-power Bombs ODAB will finish the history of Avdeevka and, in general, all living organisms that have been present there since 2014.
    1. -1
      February 9 2024
      Therefore, dropping several high-power Bombs ODAB will finish the history of Avdeevka and, in general, all living organisms that have been present there since 2014.

      Over the past 80 hours, more than 250 FABs with a caliber of 10 or more were dropped on Avdeevka, of which more than 1500 were XNUMX.
      This is just for reference.

      Then someone saw the light and watched a video of the use of fab 1500 in Kurakhovo.
      There is a flash, a mushroom, and next to it there is a pipe from some factory. And nothing happened to her.
      And now, especially for you and others who are not in the know.

      If this building (see below) had, for example, an underground parking lot, people would have survived.
      This is Hiroshima power 20KT (TWENTYKILOTONS OF CARL!!!) that is, more than a thousand (THUSANDS OF CARL!!!) ODAB. distance 160 METERS FROM THE EPICENTER.
      Just to destroy the 9th microdistrict (fortress) in Avdeevka, hundreds of ODAB will be needed.
      But as you know, the UMPC was not made for them. This means that you wrote nonsense.
      1. -1
        February 9 2024
        “If this building (see below) had, for example, an underground parking lot, people would have survived in it.”
        and now, especially for you, Karl: if this building had an underground parking lot, then if odab was used, all that would be left of it would be rubble, along with the population
        1. 0
          February 9 2024
          Otherwise, the house would have collapsed into this very underground parking lot, and together with the defenders of the house. And the crushed stone would be flush with the surrounding asphalt. This is what will happen if FAB-1500 or at least FAB-500 gets there.
          1. +1
            February 9 2024
            “And the crushed stone would be flush with the surrounding asphalt.”
            so what am I talking about?
            1. 0
              February 9 2024
              This means that the crushed stone still needs to be seen; it may fall lower.
        2. -1
          February 9 2024
          and now, especially for you, Karl: if this building had an underground parking lot, then if odab was used, all that would be left of it would be rubble, along with the population

          At a distance of 160 meters?
          You are just an illiterate balabol.
          Read

          ODAB-500P is a Russian-made volumetric detonating bomb. It is a type of high explosive bomb and designed for high explosive destruction manpower and vulnerable equipment, as well as for comrades demining the area.
          At a distance of 160 meters it won’t even hit a tank.

          So for reference (I’ll teach the ignorant), the main damaging factor of ODAB is the shock wave.
          Pressure at the epicenter of the explosion 300 atm
          The pressure at the epicenter of a thermonuclear explosion at the initiation stage (that is, close to that of a fat man) is 5000 atm
          ALL CLEAR?
          It will destroy the underground parking lot if it explodes INSIDE IT.
          By the way, comrade, have you ever been to the site of an ODAB-500 explosion?
          1. 0
            February 10 2024
            "At a distance of 160 meters? You're just an illiterate babble."
            Yes, you can start from three kilometers laughing , but the instructions recommend using it specifically for the intended purpose, although “In an explosion at the epicenter in the front of the shock wave, the pressure reaches 90...120 atm, the radius of continuous damage is at least 300 m,” this is written in the instructions laughing
            "By the way, comrade, have you ever been to the site of the ODAB-500 explosion"
            no, of course, what should I do there? and you obviously live there all your life
            1. 0
              February 10 2024
              no, of course, what should I do there? and you obviously live there all your life

              Well, what do you want from a local hurray-.... on a salary who at least somehow needs to justify the non-use of large-caliber bombs against “our people” in Ukraine...
              In general, salarymen like Staver and your interlocutor should have stormed Avdiivka long ago in the form of cannon fodder on a forced basis
              1. -1
                February 10 2024
                Quote: spektr9
                Well, what do you want from a local hurray -.... on salary

                You hit your finger... well, let it hit the sky. Although in reality it is much lower, and the smell there is... not very good, I would say.

                I happen to know a little about the person you are writing about. I assure you that he is not “on the payroll” here, moreover, he is smarter and more informed than all your local scum, multiplied by ten. Just by the nature of my activity, well, it turned out this way request
                1. -1
                  February 11 2024
                  “Well, let it go to the sky. Although in reality it’s much lower, and the smell there... not very good, I would say.”
                  well, you better know what it smells like there
                  "I know a little about the person you are writing about. I assure you that he is not here for salary"
                  Now I wish I could find someone who could say the same about you
              2. 0
                February 11 2024
                "like Staver and your interlocutor, for good reason, they should have stormed Avdiivka long ago in the form of cannon fodder"
                what are you talking about! such valuable and qualified personnel are the first on the list for export if something happens laughing
              3. 0
                February 12 2024
                on a salary who somehow needs to justify the non-use of large-caliber bombs against “our people” in Ukraine...

                Fool, I have a bigger salary than Vadim Smirnov.
                And everything about ODAB is in open sources.
                But you don’t want to read, it’s not interesting to you.
                You are not readers, you are writers. You are busy with important work and denounce.
                1. 0
                  February 14 2024
                  Fool, I have a bigger salary than Vadim Smirnov.

                  Well, it’s not surprising that the jingoistic “patriot” traitor to the motherland has been paid wonderfully since the early 90s, you don’t have to tell it here, everyone knows it very well
                  You are busy with important work and you are denouncing them.

                  Why expose you and the cockroaches, and everyone on this site knows for sure. What are you, that Sabokevich was hit on the head, who on one organ spun all the rules of the site, that your drinking companion Staver, who has already won the SVO twice and Kherson did not pass, local celebrities...
            2. 0
              February 12 2024
              "By the way, comrade, have you ever been to the site of the ODAB-500 explosion"
              no, of course, what should I do there? A

              It’s clear that we didn’t travel beyond the Moscow Ring Road. And I traveled to the training grounds.
              But you will recognize the world from the wiki. You just read it but don’t understand.

              radius of continuous damage - at least 300 m"

              Yes, but defeat WHAT the question does not arise?
              And the answer is what it is intended to destroy, namely
              designed to destroy high-explosive personnel and vulnerable equipment,

              You can continue to persist in your ignorance. But the fact remains a fact.
              If ODAB explodes at a distance of 150 meters from a high-rise building, then those sitting in the basement will not suffer.
              And therefore ODAB must hit the house exactly.
              But there is no UMPC for ODAB, so to destroy high-rise buildings with an area of ​​12 square kilometers, thousands of ODAB are needed.
              1. 0
                February 13 2024
                "And the answer is what it is intended to destroy, namely
                designed to destroy manpower and vulnerable equipment with high-explosive action,"
                I see you also know how to read Wikipedia. but 300m is 300 meters, that is, within this radius it affects manpower and armored vehicles, which means there is plenty of cover.
                and in general, that you are clinging to these meters, these are not my words, this is written in the instructions for use, and, by the way, if a high-explosive bomb explodes 200 meters away, it cannot hit any equipment, shelters, or manpower, well, Maybe the glass will break somewhere. Weapons, in general, are designed to hit a target. This means that you need to hit the target, and not 160 meters from it. I see that this simple truth somehow disappeared from your mind while driving around the training grounds
  16. +3
    February 9 2024
    So we need to take Avdeevka! The Ukrainian Armed Forces can retreat to a new line of defense!
    1. +3
      February 9 2024
      “So we need to take Avdiivka! The Ukrainian Armed Forces can retreat to a new line of defense!”
      We'll take it, we'll definitely take it. but in any case they will retreat to a new line of defense
  17. +5
    February 9 2024
    Interesting findings.
    Stubborn, persistent resistance, reality as opposed to PR (it turns out that it’s false) - it’s all “according to plan”
    Well. And this can happen
    Owell's famous 1984 novel as confirmation.
  18. -2
    February 9 2024
    Well written! Only the author for some reason forgot (perhaps due to the fact that they were not present in the Second World War) about volumetric explosion bombs. Which, in principle, don’t care whether it’s a whole building or purposefully put together. In the absence of oxygen, fighting (as I understand it) is very difficult.
  19. +10
    February 9 2024
    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
    The front can collapse only when its rear smashing them, etc.

    feel Write a comment! Otherwise, we won’t allow them to plus.
    fellow
    Thundering the steering wheel, sparkling with the shine of steel.
    The carts will go on a furious campaign.
    When Comrade St. sends them into battleАver...
  20. +5
    February 9 2024
    “Be that as it may, Avdeevka will be ours. While I fell out of the information space, ours”
    Staver has been repeating these mantras for like a year now, right after Kherson. and the fact that he fell out of the information space is a lie, he was never there. reality and staver’s works lie on different planes
  21. -3
    February 9 2024
    We often hear from people that this is some kind of sabotage or an arrangement, why do we feel sorry for them. Level this Avdeevka (Koksohim, Azovstal...) several ODAB, a dozen FAB 1500 and that’s it.

    Unfortunately, these are people who have only seen the use of these ammunition on the Internet, but have never seen the consequences.
    Over the past 80 hours alone, more than 1500 FABs, including FAB XNUMX, have been dropped on Avdeevka, in the area at the entrance to the city. And they have to bomb like this for more than one week.
    To understand, look at this building
    1. -2
      February 9 2024
      It is located in Hiroshima.
      At a distance of 160 meters from the epicenter of a 20-KILOTON EXPLOSION
      And at a distance of 300 meters in Hiroshima, people were already surviving.
      Try to realize 20 KILOTONS.
      To destroy a fortification based on Koksokhim or the 9th microdistrict of Avdeevka, at least hundreds of ODABs or large FABs will be required. In addition, ODAB will not affect the underground floors of industrial buildings.
      If you want to solve a problem with a few bombs, it would have to be bombs with a yield of hundreds of kilotons.
      1. -1
        February 9 2024
        To cut Avdiivka in half and reach the area of ​​high-rise buildings from the north, you will have to overcome a section measuring 0,8 x 1 km. It seems like the day before yesterday several dozen FABs were dumped there to overcome resistance. What's impossible about this?
        1. -1
          February 12 2024
          It seems that the day before yesterday several dozen FABs were poured there to overcome resistance.

          Don't you think I WROTE THIS?

          Learn to read before you write.
          To destroy the fortification based on Koksokhim or the 9th microdistrict of Avdeevka, at least hundreds of ODABs or large FABs will be required.

          They can get out and I’m sure they will.
          But there is no destruction.
          We'll have to storm.
          1. -1
            February 12 2024
            You write too ornately. It carries absurdity of judgment. If an aerial bomb hits a building, you can clearly trace the consequences from photographs. There is no need to talk nonsense that destroying a block of high-rise buildings is an impossible task. From photographs from Avdeevka itself you can clearly see what happens to buildings when they are hit.
            And storming through ruins will be easier than if you leave the buildings intact.
      2. -1
        February 11 2024
        In your photo, even if the building is taken away, the organism there is smeared, the protruding factor of the vacuum bombs, the pressure drop of the building remains intact and the organisms turn into mush.
        Try to realize 20 KILOTONS

        Yes, the high-explosive effect decreases very quickly with distance, but if you make 500 bombs of 5 kg each from Fab 100 and drop them in a 70x70 m square, then you will cover an area much larger than Fab 500 does. But the bombs must explode at the same time.
        1. 0
          February 12 2024
          5 bombs of 100 kg each and dropped in a square of 70x70 m will cover an area much larger than what the Fab 500 does.

          More (but not much) than factory 500, but still not enough to destroy the neighborhood. And not even close to 20 CT.
          Of course, you won’t understand this, they don’t teach it in a regular school, but the waves don’t add up like integers. Yes, even if 500 kg were added up to less than 20 CT FORTY THOUSAND TIMES. It seems impossible for you to understand this.
        2. 0
          February 12 2024
          In your photo, even if the building is taken into account, the body there is smeared,


          What about in the basement?
          Do you know how to search on the Internet?
          People in Hiroshima survived 300 meters from the epicenter.
  22. +5
    February 9 2024
    Avdeevka must be taken, and it will be taken. The question is how to take it.

    Alexander, you are a professional military man, and you cannot help but note that we usually take everything head-on, meter by meter. If we remember the Second World War, how until the end of the war the Germans managed to create numerical superiority in their counterattacks, just as they encircled our troops with envelopments at the beginning. Soviet troops liberated all of Ukraine, but in two years we have not been able to rid the Donbass of shelling; moreover, now they are targeting what was originally Russian territory.
    The trouble is that it is not Suvorov that needs to be remembered, but the selfish interests of our oligarchs. This is all the “strangeness” of the SVO.
  23. +3
    February 9 2024
    The most acceptable option is an analogy with the second assault on Grozny. A complete blockade with cutting of all communications and methodically exhausting with the subsequent elimination of a possible breakthrough.
    1. 0
      February 9 2024
      "A complete blockade with cutting of all communications and methodically exhausting with the subsequent elimination of a possible breakthrough."
      those who decide know perfectly well what to do and what not to do. and if they do it the wrong way, it means someone needs it
      1. 0
        February 9 2024
        It’s just that the enemy gets in the way, and because of this it’s not always possible to do it right.
        1. -2
          February 10 2024
          “It’s just that the enemy gets in the way, and because of this it’s not always possible to do it right.”
          if you adapt to the enemy’s wishes, then it’s no longer an enemy, but a partner
    2. +1
      February 11 2024
      Complete blockade with cutting

      So Grozny was alone, but here the length of the front was hundreds of kilometers, the fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were built so that they could not be bypassed, this is a chain of fortifications that cover each other. When bypassing one fortification they come under fire from another. In 14, Strelkov called for the deployment of troops to recapture the entire Donbass, but the guarantor was more important than the yachts of his friends; in 8 years, concrete, impregnable fortified areas were created.
      cutting off all communications

      Communications can be cut in another way; on military chronicles they write that the Armed Forces of Ukraine on Baba Yaga drones drop mines at night on the supply routes of the Ministry of Defense at a distance of 20 km from the LBS ... they also target them with himars and FPV drones for logistics purposes.
      1. -1
        February 11 2024
        "The fortifications of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were built so that they could not be bypassed,"
        Do you have at least one photographic and video evidence of these very “fortifications” on the field?
  24. +6
    February 9 2024
    This Staver is a specialist in justifying the incompetence of the high command, which has withdrawn itself from issues of increasing the efficiency of planning, management and support
  25. +5
    February 9 2024
    The author looks very shallow. The problem is not the capture of Avdeevka, we will take it and liberate Donbass, it’s a matter of time. We have a large country, a lot of resources, even if we squander them as we know how. The problem is that despite military victories, the successful completion of the Northern Military District (any option, including puppet Ukraine), negative selection in our elites will not stop. Another 10-20 years will pass and the system will fall apart and everything will go back to the second circle. We will not get high-quality elites and management, even if we win the war. I can’t even imagine what needs to happen for patriotic tuners to be in power, and not slogan-throwers who are afraid of any competition.
  26. 0
    February 9 2024
    I see no reason why the city should not be wiped off the face of the earth with a massive bombardment; if the issue is air defense, then with the use of all the same things, but with gliding bombs.
    There is a separate issue with concrete-piercing precision bombs. Not against super-bunkers, but against Soviet Khrushchev buildings and their sufficient engineering structures
    A strategic move to remove the ability to replenish water and fuel. The question is 20-30 days when kaput will come.
    I don’t understand what’s the problem with having a UAV on duty 3-4 radii from Avdeevka, transmitting data to track trucks and flying out to meet them.
  27. +3
    February 9 2024
    Author, there is an article on topware from 2013. You're making up some bullshit!
    “The need to create assault battalions arose in 1943, when it finally became clear that a strategic turning point in the war was taking place in favor of the Red Army. Our troops launched an offensive on almost all main fronts, and new offensive-type engineering formations were urgently needed to break through powerful defensive strengthening the Nazi troops. It was decided to create such formations on the basis of already existing engineering and sapper units, and by May 30, 1943, by reorganizing them, 15 ShISBR were created. Each brigade consisted of a headquarters, command, control and engineering reconnaissance companies, several assault engineering and sapper battalions and a company of mine detector dogs.

    Since the tasks assigned to the assault battalions were the most serious, they did not take just anyone there. All candidates for the ShISBr had to have real combat experience, excellent physical health and be no older than 40 years. The fighters of the assault battalions were equipped with much better and more modern uniforms than ordinary soldiers of the Red Army. By the way, if you start looking through photographs of military chronicles, you will easily be able to distinguish the ShISBr fighters in them. Many of them have light machine guns, sniper rifles, machine guns, and flamethrowers in their hands. Some of the stormtroopers were even dressed in body armor (armored cuirasses), which was even more rare at that time. Often the soldiers hid their body armor under protective overalls and thus literally drove the Germans who were shooting at them crazy. The Germans fired cartridge after cartridge, but could not stop the ShISBr fighters. There is even an interesting story on this topic. Allegedly, one of the fighters dressed in an armored cuirass ran out of cartridges, and he, grabbing an empty shell from a German Faustpatron, beat about ten Germans to death with it. They never understood why their weapons had no effect on the Soviet soldier. Although this may not be a story at all, but a situation that actually happened."
  28. -2
    February 10 2024
    This is the Wagner PMC in Artemovsk. Methodical squeezing of the Ukrainian Armed Forces from the city. Advance, no matter what, with the destruction of those who do not surrender. The option is cruel, but effective. The musicians still inspire fear in the soldiers of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

    Speaking of birds. Where is PMC Wagner now? It seems like the guards warmed them up growing up? Why not join them in the assault? Is it strange that now, when it is necessary to increase pressure on the enemy with a powerful cutting blow, such a sword as the PMC is not used?
  29. 0
    February 11 2024
    KG AM
    War is about logistics, not about banging other people's heads against fortifications. The Ukrainians’ strategic and operational logistics are safe and sound. The Germans in 1944 on the Western Front, during marches and transportation near the front, experienced more problems from the actions of the enemy air force than the Ukrainians. Which transport cargo and troops almost without interference in any direction.
  30. 0
    February 13 2024
    Alexander, thanks.

    I don’t consider myself entitled to give unsolicited advice, I’m just speculating on how the material could be strengthened and made more complete. Consider it shaking the air and reasoning with yourself.

    Here you have looked at three options for action in Avdeevki. To complete the picture, one more thing is missing - something that would be used in Mariupol, namely, do not take it now, but go around the city and go further every day, increasing the distance from the surrounded city to the LBS. Well, then it’s clear - supply by air, organization of relief strikes, ... in general, the city would become a thorn in the enemy’s ass for weeks and months, just like Mariupol was, and before Stalingrad.

    By the way, this is exactly the kind of campaign - not to take fortresses, but to bypass them, which Sun Tzu advised. Remember: "The worst thing is to besiege fortresses... a siege should be carried out only when it is inevitable... one who knows how to wage war... takes other people's fortresses without besieging».

    Sun Tzu, by the way, generally believed that the army should first of all try to occupy “voids” where the enemy has nothing or almost nothing (like water flows down and surrounds the heights): “The form of an army is like water: the form of water is to avoid heights and strive downwards; The form of the army is to avoid completeness and strike at emptiness. Water sets its course depending on place; the army determines its victory depending on the enemy».

    By the way, I read the last quote and remember the beginning of the Northern Military District in Slobozhanshchyna and in the north of Ukraine in general - Chernigov, Sumy... That’s what they did.

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