Memories vs statistical compilations

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Memories vs statistical compilations
The past is gone. People grow old and their homes grow old. I thought for a long time about what photographs to illustrate this material. And I decided that it was necessary to show the ruins of that era. That is, in Soviet times these houses looked much better. But time has passed, and today they look like this, and it is no longer possible to save them... It’s easier to demolish them... For example, a “green house”. Tell me, who is living in it? And, probably, he is also listed according to some statistics. They live in it.


Leftists still cling
for numbers and sayings,
like a crab, without understanding,
that they lost
on an image-sensitive field.

Knell wardenheart

People and story. Not long ago, an article by a novice author appeared on VO in defense of... the achievements of socialism in our country. And I didn’t even say anything bad about her at first, because every person has the right to their opinion. The only surprise was that it uses a large amount of statistical literature as sources, but there are no references to either archival materials or dissertations.



This is a very serious question, you can’t just throw yourself at it like that.

And then I talked with the author and found out that, having defended his PhD thesis in a field far from historical science, he decided... to make his contribution to... “defense.” And, again, I didn’t see anything wrong with this either. Well, you can’t prohibit a biologist from being interested in philosophy, or a programmer from being interested in history.

There are successful examples of a “fresh look”. But then it turned out that, having taken on such, I would say, an important topic, the man did not bother visiting the party archives, and did not even read a single dissertation on scientific communism.

How so? After all, statistics are... “statistics”, but there are also lies – big and small.

It is possible to check how it really was only on the basis of documents stored in the party archives. Moreover, today any person from the street, even if you are a technician twice, can come to the regional archive, explain to the director that he wants to write an article for VO on a historical and party topic and get permission to work in the local archive of the OK CPSU. Any, I emphasize.

And dissertations on historical and party topics are good because if you throw away the praises in honor of the next leader, you can find a lot of valuable information in them with links to the relevant archives, and then specifically order these materials by e-mail.

That is, by limiting himself to sources of information, the author does a disservice to the USSR. Because any weakness on our part gives the enemy weapon against us, any understatement is harmful, as it opens up scope for speculation and insinuation.

In addition, any author writing on such complex topics must definitely look at what has already been written on the same topic in VO, so as not to make completely ridiculous mistakes.


"House of the Red Cat"

All this came to my mind, and then I thought that it would be interesting to take individual author’s “maxims” and look at them from the other side, and, so to speak, show how all this really happened. Moreover, I will not turn to statistical collections or even dissertations. Only my personal memories based on facts.

So, let's read excerpts from the article. They are small and won't take up much space.

“The USSR’s share in world industrial production in 1986 was 20% or more than 80% of the USA. In terms of agricultural production (except for grain 66% and meat 64% of the USA), the USSR was several times ahead of the USA.”

Impressive numbers, right? But where did “sausage trains” and cards appear in the USSR just then?

From 1985 to 1988, I had to study at graduate school in the city of Kuibyshev (today Samara), and there were regional cards for sausage. I wrote about this in an article about my graduate student youth. And needless to say, this is how it happened; the Kuibyshevites won’t let you lie.

And now the question arises, what kind of agricultural products were they (except for grain and meat) in which we were ahead of the United States, but life did not get better from this? Maybe for crab fishing? During the three years that I spent in Kuibyshev, they brought crabs to us there two or three times.


The house is completely falling apart. But people still live in it...

It’s just that I couldn’t get enough of these “times.”

I’m not against being “ahead” of the United States by some indicators, but then I wanted milk, not water diluted with milk, sausage, which could be bought freely, and not only in my area and during rush hours, and so that later, within a day, it doesn’t turn green!

“In terms of the number of doctors and hospital beds, the USSR was several times ahead of the United States, not to mention the availability of medical care.”

I’m proud of our beds and the sheets washed on them (I was lying there, I remember), but I wouldn’t say anything about the availability of medical care. I will not repeat the story about drilling pulpy teeth without anesthesia - I have already written about this more than once. But here’s “availability” for you...


The house is crooked, but how to straighten it?

It so happened that in 1976, while still studying at a pedagogical university, I had to undergo surgery to remove a tumor on my chest suspected of oncology. They cut out a spare piece of meat for me, gave me four stitches and discharged me. And the next day the temperature was 38,9. At the district clinic they removed the stitches and said: “They got an infection!” And they began to cauterize this wound with silver nitrate (I’m not 100% sure, I heard it out of the corner of my ear). It was... quite unpleasant. And most importantly, the wound did not heal!

And then the doctor tells me that there is this Hungarian medicine that, if you get it, will help you! And so, fortunately for me, it turned out that my friend from college had a mother who was the head of one of the main city pharmacies. And it’s clear that they got me this medicine, and it helped me a lot.

But not all the citizens of Penza, with whom such... incidents happened then, had the sons of pharmacy managers as friends, and this is how they got along?

They will tell me that even now it happens that rare medicines have to be obtained. Yes, it happens, but much less often, and most importantly, no one now writes on fences: “The people and the party are united!” and “The good of the people is the main law of the USSR.”

“The railway transport system of the USSR transported 2–3 times more cargo than in the USA, and passenger turnover was tens of times higher.”

A wonderful statement, isn't it?! Moreover, it is so remarkable that I promise to devote a separate article to it and tell an extremely interesting story from my own life about it. It simply won’t fit here anymore...


The house may be crooked, but the steps are straight!

The USSR housed a quarter of all scientists in the whole world. According to WIPO data, the USSR had more than twice the number of inventions of the USA and almost twice the number of inventions of Japan.

Well, how our inventions were implemented has also been written at VO more than once. And what was the point of creating inventions if they were not implemented? That's what's important! He wrote about his industrial designs and about participation in the All-Union competitions of toys for industrial production. There were also articles in the magazine “Innovator-Inventor”.

So I know what we're talking about. And in my dissertation on the party leadership of the university research work, this topic was touched upon. And it smoothly migrated to our time, although with its implementation it became a little easier...

“...there were practically no protests against the current government.”

Against this statement one can only say - ha ha ha, and refer to material on VO “Popular unrest in the USSR. 1953–1985”, published back in 2010, where this is described in great detail. By the way, the comments there are very informative. And a link to a very detailed study on this topic.

“...the salary of the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee was about 1 rubles.”

This is also funny. And that's why.

The fact is that when I worked in the archives of the OK CPSU of the Penza region, I came across a top secret document about the salary of the first secretary of the Regional Committee, and the amount was even less than the amount named by the author - 500 rubles! Well, it’s clear - the Central Committee and OK! But in the same document it was written that when the secretary goes on vacation, he also receives a bonus in the amount of his salary as an incentive! And also... a free trip to the sanatorium!

Even the OK cleaning lady was rewarded with double salary because she was going on vacation, apparently so that she could take better care of the carpets in the corridors of the regional committee. But the fact is that in addition to the basic salary, senior officials of the party apparatus also received money in... envelopes.

No matter how much I tried to find out the amount of “handouts”, I couldn’t find out. I discovered that these payments were made through the financial bodies of the CPSU Central Committee, and in this archive to me in 1985–1988. there was no more progress. Perhaps even today this information continues to remain a secret behind seven seals, but there is no doubt that the amount of 1 rubles is an obvious lie. The matter was not limited to this salary alone.


The walls are new, but the windows are old...

And this is not counting what was in the use of all these secretaries, and they had everything in their use - the Kremlin, the Hermitage and much more. And our “defender” should have known that prices in the regional committee canteens were frozen at the 1928 level, which also made it possible to save considerable sums with very high-quality food.

The same Stalin had 15 dachas at his service, where they awaited his arrival every day and prepared... his favorite dishes. I also wrote about this, by the way, here on VO, when I talked about the state of one of Stalin’s former dachas in the Caucasus today.

So 1 rubles is absolutely not very much when you have your own planes, armored trains, and 100 limousines, like Brezhnev. Do you think he also bought them with a salary of 90 rubles? Or has he already been promoted?

By the way, twice in my life I was lucky to find myself in the place of one of these “high functionaries.” It was something. Someday I’ll write about this too. I remember everything as if it were yesterday.


There are no windows, but the fence is completely new... The wind of change!

Well, as a conclusion. “You can become a communist only when you enrich your memory with the knowledge of all the riches that humanity has produced,” Lenin asserted. And it’s very bad that his own defenders ignore this covenant. It is clear that it is impossible to find out everything in the world; you cannot sit in all the archives and re-read all the monographs. But we must strive for this...

PS


The article is illustrated with photographs of the author.

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  1. +32
    February 8 2024
    Quote: Vyacheslav Shpakovsky
    The same Stalin had 15 dachas/90 limousines at his service, like Brezhnev
    However, neither the heirs of I.V. Stalin nor L.I. Brezhnev, after their death they were not noticed as millionaires
    1. -9
      February 8 2024
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      However, neither the heirs of I.V. Stalin nor L.I. Brezhnev, after their death they were not noticed as millionaires

      Does this surname Churbanov mean anything to you?
      Somewhere towards the end of the bad memory of perestroika, the grandson of Leonid Ilyich spoke on TV. And he said something like this: “I have enough of everything, enough for my children and my grandchildren. And you will still remember Leonid Ilyich. You will still feel sorry for Leonid Ilyich.”
      If this “just enough” was in rubles, then it was burned out by inflation, if not by the Pavlovsk monetary reform. And if it’s something more sustainable, then the grandchildren will probably have enough, if they don’t drink, they lose.
      1. +15
        February 8 2024
        Quote: Nagan
        Does this surname Churbanov mean anything to you?

        Yes, he says. But after his imprisonment, he lived in an ordinary apartment without any luxury. I saw this more than once from his interviews, which he sometimes gave to journalists. And according to the recollections of people who knew him closely, there were no supplies for him. Well, while holding the post of deputy minister, of course, he did not deny himself anything
  2. +37
    February 8 2024
    Everything is very well told.
    BUT
    Let's compare the USSR, say, 85 with China, Mexico, Vietnam...
    Well, do you understand me? No?
    Everything was so bad in the Union, but no one would have thought of comparing it with Mexico or Turkey. Now it doesn’t occur to us to compare “great China” with Russia.
    And who supplied equipment to whom in the same 1985?
    Did we buy anything from Iran and North Korea? No? Probably because it was very expensive...
    So what conclusions can be drawn from this?

    And what successes are we having now?
    Has anyone started to live much better? This is how it worked for any banana republic.
    1. +15
      February 8 2024
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      And what successes are we having now?

      And you look around and immediately see all the “successes” wink
    2. +12
      February 8 2024
      Quote from tsvetahaki
      So what conclusions can be drawn from this?

      When the world was developing by leaps and bounds, we had a stabilizer. They stood still! Growth, if we compare our GDP growth with the world average over the past 30 years, we are really lagging behind. And the USSR was ahead of us all the time! Then there was prospect. And now?
    3. +4
      February 9 2024
      “And what successes are we having now?”
      Those crooked houses that the author lovingly photographed, were they originally built crookedly in the USSR, or have they now become so bad that there is no money for repairs?
  3. +42
    February 8 2024
    Another evil hysteria about one’s own past. Shpakovsky’s career as a party worker did not work out, he is so offended, he craps on his and our past.
    “how it all REALLY happened. ... Only my personal memories based on facts” (VOSH)!
    He brought the facts! Rumors and nothing more.
    1. +31
      February 8 2024
      when I worked in the archives of the OK CPSU of the Penza region, I came across a top secret document about the salary of the first secretary of the Regional Committee, and the amount was even less than the amount named by the author - 500 rubles! Well, it’s clear - the Central Committee and OK! But in the same document it was written that when the secretary goes on vacation, he also receives a bonus in the amount of his salary as an incentive! And also... a free trip to the sanatorium!


      Amazing!!! Was it worth digging through the archives for this? Same sensation for me. laughing
      For the author’s information, in 1974, when our Tatar garrison janitor went on vacation, he also received a bonus in the amount of his salary as an incentive in addition to vacation pay! And as a WWII veteran also... a free trip to the Air Force sanatorium in Sudak, where I went to relax with my granddaughter, who is the same age as me. By the will of fate, at the same time, my father, a VTA major, received exactly the same permit. It was there in Sudak that our families became friends. Moreover, this girl and I later studied in the same class and she has been my wife for thirty-five years. We have two children and two grandchildren.
      1. +27
        February 8 2024
        True, I’m afraid that the author is unlikely to understand how the families of a regiment commander and a veteran janitor can become friends. He apparently lived in some other world and some other country with some other mentality
        1. +13
          February 8 2024
          Quote: Richard
          the author is unlikely to understand how the families of a regiment commander and a veteran janitor can become friends

          In Soviet times, it was very easy!
        2. +11
          February 8 2024
          Quote: Richard
          the author is unlikely to understand how the families of a regiment commander and a veteran janitor can become friends.

          Today's street cleaners don't drive around the south! No time and nothing.
          1. +10
            February 8 2024
            Today's street cleaners don't drive around the south! No time and nothing.

            Stats, greetings.. this is where you made a mistake.. today’s janitors are from the south.. and they take money to the south.. here it’s earned money, which was taken away from our janitors and their families and given to those who don’t even know Russian.. and all why... so as not to pay their own... though now these janitors have begun to advance greatly in their careers and are no longer particularly interested in becoming janitors... now our officials have sent them to construction sites... well, so that people pay their mortgage not for 30 years... but for fifty ... prices are rising despite the gasters... but the paradoxes do not end... they began to pass laws according to which you can lose this apartment... so far only for fake... but there will be more wassat drinks hi
            1. +8
              February 8 2024
              Quote: Svarog
              prices are rising despite gasters..

              And they scare us, if there are no gasters, then prices will rise. We found something to scare! Yes, these prices are rising anyway. Whatever happens!
              Greetings, Volodya! drinks hi
        3. +21
          February 8 2024
          He apparently lived in some other world and some other country with some other mentality
          Yes, definitely. His world was different. Here he and I are of the same generation, we lived in the provinces. Not long ago, talking about his childhood, he told how his grandfather simply killed their sick cat instead of treating him. And then the author tried to explain to me that I, who grew up in a communal apartment, was like “a girl from the village who can be taken to the city, but the village will not go away from her.” He asserted himself. And in our communal apartment there was a common cat, Murka, whom everyone took care of to the delight of all the children. And he has a contemptuous attitude towards hard workers. He is very proud of his numerous printed “works”. Even in Singapore from afar. I believe that their quality is about the same as his notes on VO, where hooves were served at the royal table in Great Britain.
        4. +10
          February 8 2024
          Quote: Richard
          True, I’m afraid that the author is unlikely to understand how the families of a regiment commander and a veteran janitor can become friends. He apparently lived in some other world and some other country with some other mentality

          Well, this is Shpakovsky... it’s easy for him to pass off his ideas as reality, so to speak.

          Mr. Shpakovsky is completely unaware of why sausage trains existed and why they don’t exist now. Specifically, the data that I personally saw in the form of real physical confirmation when I was visiting almost a colleague) ... MASSR - the number of heads of cattle, as I was told cattle in 1990 there were about 190 thousand heads (and this is not counting private traders), and then... soup with a cat.
          shl
          MASSR in 1990 about 700 thousand people. near the capital, Yoshkar-Ola (about 300 thousand people)
      2. +6
        February 8 2024
        Quote: Richard
        For the author’s information, in 1974, when our Tatar garrison janitor went on vacation, he also received a bonus in the amount of his salary as an incentive in addition to vacation pay!

        At our plant, until 1995, vacation pay was given in the form of two salaries for the last pre-vacation month.
      3. BAI
        +11
        February 8 2024
        All employees of our organization (including myself) can receive a free trip to the sanatorium if they want. Because the sanatorium is the property of the organization and is free for employees. This is how it was in Soviet times, and this is how it remains today.
        Even as a student I received free trips. Plus, students had discounted meals. For 15 kopecks the complex is so-so, but free The food in the sanatorium is amazing, and of excellent quality.
    2. +17
      February 8 2024
      Quote: ee2100
      He brought the facts! Rumors and nothing more.

      Exactly.
      It would be appropriate to include a line from Vysotsky’s song in the epigraph of the article:

      Like flies, here and there, there are rumors about houses,
      And toothless old women carry them around their minds.
    3. +34
      February 8 2024
      After reading this article, I only felt a feeling of disgust towards this work, about the same as after watching Balabanov’s film “Cargo 200”. Feels like you've stepped on a pile of excrement. Both this and this are evil, vile slander against the USSR, most likely custom-made, intended to create a negative image of the socialist system among generations born after the collapse of the USSR. But one cannot expect anything else from this author.
      1. +25
        February 8 2024
        evil vile slander against the USSR
        “Even a donkey can kick a dead lion” This is what the author and several other well-known gentlemen-comrades here like him do with pleasure. It’s so safe and pleasant, that’s understandable. It’s just not clear what the Union did to them that was so terrible in its time, that it's still crap like that...
        Feels like you've stepped on a pile of excrement.
        Absolutely identical feeling...
        1. +18
          February 8 2024
          Quote: Abigor
          “Even a donkey can kick a dead lion” This is what the author and several other well-known gentlemen-comrades like him here do with pleasure.

          It’s not clear why he needs this? One might think that by presenting the material in this way and vilifying the Soviet past, he wants to convince the reader that he is the only one who miraculously survived the USSR. And he overdid it with the illustrations for the article, making it clear in what slums the life of Soviet citizens passed. Ugh. To say disappointed is an understatement. No.
          1. +17
            February 8 2024
            And he overdid it with the illustrations for the article, making it clear in what slums the life of Soviet citizens passed.

            Yes, this is the case when stupidity defeated cunning lol
            Previously, the author had a higher opinion of his readers, and was looking for photos of wrecked buildings that were taken in Soviet times. But bringing modern photos with wrecked cars, which for some reason also exist after 30 years of prosperity, is a flaw lol . And even the caption under the first photo will not change this.
    4. +17
      February 8 2024
      Another evil hysteria about one’s own past. Shpakovsky’s career as a party worker did not work out, he is so offended, he craps on his and our past.

      To the point... Shpakovsky has some kind of deep, psychological trauma... below I suggested that he write an article about his past and about it (trauma).. We will help with the whole world.. we will heal.. we will give advice.. how to cope.. It is not right for a person to suffer ..he’s a good person..but injured.. laughing
    5. +7
      February 8 2024
      I completely agree...!!!
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  4. +15
    February 8 2024
    If “there was no sausage in the USSR,” then where did it suddenly appear in early 1992, when “Gaidar saved the country”? Gaidar immediately organized production?

    The author himself admits that dissertations are subjective with their “doxologies”.... And what is the conclusion? The conclusion is that they must be referenced?

    The logic of Wardenheart, mentioned by the author, is generally something special. He considers labeling such as “leftists” and the belief that the one with the better image to be right is a serious argument. I even stopped discussing with him, because I realized it was useless.

    We must understand that one government is different from another. laws, they shape the law. And the work of laws, law enforcement, is determined by the traditions of society. Although they “existed in the USSR,” they could have been absolutely not Soviet..... And there is no need to blame the sometimes completely backward traditions of society on the USSR
    1. +22
      February 8 2024
      "there was no sausage in the USSR"

      Interesting ...
      My mother, a fairly well-known economist in her time, told me, when in the 80s I asked her these primitive questions about sausage, how in the early 50s she started as an accountant and they wrote off barrels of sturgeon and tons of sausage - they disappeared.
      I tried to convey a simple truth, which in the 30th year of capitalism it is a shame not to know, especially for the author - RAISE THE PRICE 10 TIMES and everything will appear on the shelves and will even be written off.
      Translated from Russian into simple Russian, it means the communists are to blame for the fact that food prices were low.
      Well, outright sabotage in the late 80s, when goods simply did not arrive in stores, is known not only from the words of my mother...
      The author also forgot a simple truth - everything is developing in a world without Russia and without United Russia.
      Africa suffered from hunger - now suffers from obesity. Gaidar fed.
      1. -3
        February 8 2024
        At a sausage price of 2,20, I could buy an average of 100 kg for my salary, now at a price of 300 I can afford 200. Well, or a higher quality one, 100. The sausage was not cheap, just not enough.
        1. +16
          February 8 2024
          But it’s interesting, have you ever wondered how sausage can cost 300 if meat costs 400. But in the USSR everything was according to GOST.
        2. +8
          February 8 2024
          Quote: ASAD
          At a sausage price of 2,20, I could buy an average of 100 kg for my salary, now at a price of 300 I can afford 200. Well, or a higher quality one, 100. The sausage was not cheap, just not enough.

          They made me very happy!
          Do you know such a saying - now is not like just now?
          Have you ever been to any underdeveloped country? Well, what can a Turkish worker afford now and 30-40 years ago?
          I often visit, for example, Mexico. There was something like that without the EP, too, in 2000 - well, I just can’t retell it. And now the salary is higher than in Russia. And everyone has a good car...
          Have you ever thought that the same communists (or rather, other communists) changed something from 1945 to 1975? And from 1917 to 1947?
          Have you compared life in 1985 and 1955???? But the same thing has happened for 30 years... Moreover, in the 21st century there were “partners” around, not enemies...
          So why are there some children's games with numbers????
        3. +1
          February 9 2024
          "now at a price of 300"
          300 is a pack of sausages of 100 grams, made from toilet paper, pork skin and all sorts of chemicals. sausage, same quality - from 600. two hours, like from a store laughing
      2. Msi
        +13
        February 8 2024
        Well, outright sabotage in the late 80s, when goods simply did not arrive in stores, is known not only from the words of my mother...

        Only recently, at the New Year’s table, my father (b. 1951) recalled the sabotage in the late 80s...
        His friend decided to take pig carcasses to Moscow for sale in the late 80s. I went from our Belgorod region to Moscow. On the way, some guys stopped me and asked what you were carrying. They escorted us to some refrigeration facilities and bought the carcasses at a premium. Although the man thought that it was all over...
        They paid well, I repeat. But... They said don’t bring anything here anymore and warn your fellow countrymen... Do you understand???...
        Deliberate sabotage and creation of artificial shortages...
        1. +14
          February 8 2024
          I read the memoirs of one of the “black colonels” who were then sent to deal with food shortages in the late 80s. He writes that EVERYTHING that was imported was lost in the retail chain. Machines immediately found sausage in landfills. In desperation, they proposed eliminating traders as a class altogether, bringing food directly to factories and selling them there. There was no other way at all. Don't push through. A menacing shout immediately came from above - don’t even think about it, only through retail chains! So - the issue of the Soviet deficit, especially the late USSR, is still waiting for its thoughtful researcher...

          And by the way, I didn’t find it myself, but my mother and father more than once recalled that there was no particular shortage in the Stalinist Union. Well - except of course during the war and post-war times. But by the 50th, everything seemed to be working out. Another thing is that not everyone had money for caviar and other pickles, yes, but the food itself was always on the shelves. But then it gradually became worse and worse...
          1. +6
            February 8 2024
            Quote: paul3390
            . Machines immediately found sausage in landfills.

            I remember someone tried to raise a scandal in the press about why the gingerbreads ended up in a ravine, where the residents of a nearby village stole them. The last one turned out to be a young loader who apparently confused baking soda with technical soda.
          2. +2
            February 9 2024
            “Cars immediately found sausage in landfills.”
            Speaking of landfills. Almost yesterday, a large number of eggs were found in a landfill in the Omsk region. chicken ones, those very fucking expensive and scarce ones. The deficit was not only created in the late 80s, it is still being produced. but don’t reduce prices, it’s better to throw it away
      3. +7
        February 8 2024
        Quote from tsvetahaki
        Translated from Russian into simple Russian, it means the communists are to blame for the fact that the price of food was low.

        Absolutely noticed.
      4. +14
        February 8 2024
        RAISE THE PRICE 10 TIMES and everything will appear on the shelves and even be written off.
        17 million tons of food per year in Russia are taken to landfills. I found it on the news near Omsk in a landfill, they found it, what do you think? Eggs. Chicken. And a lot. Probably Turkish or Iranian, the ones they bought.
      5. +10
        February 8 2024
        RAISE THE PRICE 10 TIMES

        One of our economists who worked with Yavlinsky wrote that according to their calculations, in order to completely get rid of the deficit of the late 80s, prices had to be raised 3-4 times. Exactly so - the money supply exceeded the commodity supply. The report went upstairs to the Judas-marked man himself. He said categorically no. And four years later, the Union was ruined and Chubais and Gaidar began to rule. I think we all remember where prices went. They've already broken through the border of near space... What three times...
    2. BAI
      +10
      February 8 2024
      there was no sausage in the USSR"

      Because it was made from meat
  5. +23
    February 8 2024
    and most importantly, no one now writes on fences: “The people and the party are united!” and “The good of the people is the main law of the USSR.”
    Why write? And it’s clear that the people and the party are united, VTsIOM speaks about this, and the fact that the state cares, the price tags say this, and not only in stores, but also in pharmacies and in paid medical centers and other places. And the most the main one said: We have never lived as well as we do now. And you write that how good things have become, we believe in you as the president. And not only you, but the entire VO author’s team. Unity has never happened before. This is not the case in the USSR was.
  6. +27
    February 8 2024
    What a ridiculous set of children's anti-Soviet propaganda. You still expect more from a former ardent “Marxist-Leninist”... No, everything can be understood, the Judas complex and all that... But this is absolutely shameful. Thousands of times more coherent anti-Soviet concepts, facts, and ideas exist and have long been published.
    However, there are also positive aspects, and this, of course, is the beginning and end of the article. To talk in an article with ridiculous anti-Soviet stories about the need to work in party archives and read dissertations on scientific communism, without even citing them once, is hilariously funny.
  7. +9
    February 8 2024
    If “the leftists lost,” is that better for the public?
    Christ also “lost,” but the public, who watched with interest as he was crucified, after 33 years received what he deserved. War and death from the Romans.
    By the way, this year we also mark 33 years since “the leftists lost.” Let’s rejoice together.....
    1. +2
      February 8 2024
      Quote: ivan2022
      the audience who watched with interest as he was crucified

      By the way, the Romans crucified them; such an important matter was not outsourced to the natives. They were crucified by the verdict of the Roman procurator Pilate as a result of a trial conducted in full accordance with Roman laws.
      And the crowd always, everywhere, at all times gathered to watch the execution, and it didn’t matter who was executed, a criminal, a politician, or Christ himself. The more sophisticated the execution, the more interesting it was.
      1. +5
        February 8 2024
        By the way, the Romans crucified them; such an important matter was not outsourced to the natives.
        The Aborigines simply did not know how to do this. They would have simply stoned her to death, as they tried to do with Magdalene, and the fish would have remained a symbol of Christianity.
  8. +13
    February 8 2024
    with houses, as with people in any country, there are many and different. There are even beggars and beggars. Of course, in Russia there is a minimal minority of such people and raising them as topics for discussion is simply the author’s “madness” that there are so few of them... It would be better if there were more, they say, look how they lived under the USSR and what happened there and what these communists left us as a legacy. Hoping for articles about hundreds of cities, towns and villages that grew out of nowhere into beauties under the USSR means hoping for the objective policy of the VO editorial board in relation to the Soviet past of our Motherland. And we hope. In the meantime, I find such articles tendentious. By the way, not so long ago there was a similar article on VO, where some author dug up pictures of the dirty streets of the city immediately after the Second World War. So for now there are only such trends... they say, everything under these communists was bad, dirty, miserable - this is what they left to the Shpakovsky gentlemen as a legacy...
  9. Eug
    +10
    February 8 2024
    The article is an apologetics for the current state of Russia. Like this is how hard it was to bring the country to its current state. The communists liked to compare with 1913. And
    an obvious contradiction - if the author talks about the falsity of THAT statistics - why does he insist on “digging” in the archives?
    1. +11
      February 8 2024
      The communists liked to compare with 1913. During the time of Khrushchev, in the 60s. In 50 years. This is considered funny.

      Let's count back 50 years and get the times of stagnation under Brezhnev. And to compare, “it’s the same” by today’s standards!

      It's true... . There were few cars in the USSR. But today AvtoVAZ gives the same 400 thousand a year as under Brezhnev. It would be normal, but not in the USSR!
      1. +11
        February 8 2024
        Quote: ivan2022
        But today AvtoVAZ gives the same 400 thousand a year, that under Brezhnev.

        It should be noted that in general the USSR produced up to 1,3 million passenger cars per year. Moreover, it was not a screwdriver assembly from imported machine kits! And if we compare freight transport, now everything is sad.
      2. +12
        February 8 2024
        It's true... . There were few cars in the USSR. But today AvtoVAZ gives the same 400 thousand a year as under Brezhnev. It would be normal, but not in the USSR!

        How are the successes in the automotive industry at Kamaz and the Urals??? Have you caught up with the production of the USSR? How is ZIL doing? Oh, ZIL Art is there now... laughing
        What year did GAZ reach in terms of volumes? 1965 or 1968? No?
        1. +6
          February 8 2024
          What year did GAZ reach in terms of volumes?
          Now GAZ will get a Chinese face, just like Moskvich..
      3. +8
        February 8 2024
        There were few cars in the USSR.

        I personally think that this was a rather conscious bet on the development of public rather than personal transport. How it turned out is a separate question, but it seems to me, looking at modern cities clogged with cars, at giant traffic jams and cars on every lawn - this bet was more correct.

        If humanity spent all those gigantic funds that it spends on the production of means of transportation one ass in a personal car from home to work and then back on the development of public transport, the world would be completely different.. Much more convenient and cleaner. No - I don’t deny the need for a car sometimes, there are places where you can’t live without it, but still - it’s not the point to clog the planet with individual deliveries...
        1. +5
          February 8 2024
          Public transport is doing poorly, very badly. But the owners of their own cars are not to blame for this.
          The degradation of public transport in our regional center began long before the rise of democracy.
          It started in the 70s when the tram line near my high-rise building was straightened. And, oh, wonderful thing! She found herself 200 meters further than before. Many high-rise buildings were further away.
          Further, further, the end of the tram was taken away from the central passages of the largest plant. Again it seems like nothing, at 400 meters.
          And then in the late 80s the tram line in the city center was completely removed.
          What exactly do I want to convey? Before declaring the benefits of public transport, we need to understand what is happening.
          Where does this stupid desire for optimization come from? Could this be sabotage? If this is sabotage, where does it come from? Where does this fatal inability and unwillingness to do things the right way come from?
          These are very serious questions that neither the CPSU then nor the city authorities answered now.
          Nothing has changed for 60 years or more.
        2. +1
          February 10 2024
          hi Just the presence of developed public transport suggests that under socialism in the USSR they conserved nature, that is, they sought to reduce the harm caused by humans. And if every ass has a car, and every very rich ass has a plane (to fly to Dovos), and a yacht, then what kind of green energy can we talk about?
          Quote: paul3390
          .... it’s not a matter of clogging the planet with individual backlogs..
          1. +1
            February 10 2024
            Do you call public transport in the USSR developed?
            If it was developed, it was extremely uneven.
            If you watched the film “Forgotten Melody for Flute” by E. Ryazanov, then there is a colorful episode where Leonid Filatov’s hero gets out of a Liaz bus.
            But let's get back to our sheep.
            From my house to the university where I studied 7,5 km in a straight line, by tram it was 45-50 minutes, not quite as developed, but tolerable for 3 kopecks for the journey. After the optimizations of the 70s and then after the simply epic construction of a new line, a transfer appeared, even two. And lo and behold! By the end of the 80s, the journey began to take 1 hour 5 minutes there and 1 hour 15 minutes back. Estimated how it is 7,5 km in 1 hour and 15 minutes with two transfers?
            Now try to convince me that after the reforms of the 70-80s, public transport in the form of a tram could have survived. The most interesting thing is that the tram in the form of a diagram from 1987 still continues to eke out its existence. And even more interesting, if we return the tram line diagram from 1970, it may very well be that the most depressed regional center in Russia will begin to come to life. But we need to understand who and why is preventing a return to the tram line scheme of 1970. This can be done very inexpensively and incredibly beautifully architecturally. The question is, why didn’t they do it in the late 80s and aren’t they doing it now? Where is the source of ill will and sabotage?
            1. +1
              February 10 2024
              Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
              Do you call public transport in the USSR developed?
              If it was developed, it was extremely uneven.
              If you watched the movie "Forgotten Melody for Flute"

              wink I didn’t look, I didn’t use much transport in the USSR.....to school ---- in the middle of nowhere., You know request 3 buses in total, also amphibians, helicopters. But if cities were built after the war, routes were lengthened, does that mean they somehow got there? If in Moscow even before the Second World War there was a huge problem with transport due to people coming to construction sites, then it was solved by building a metro
              1. +1
                February 10 2024
                I won’t recommend watching Ryazanov’s film, his films were too depressing.
                But, I suggest you take my word for it, the transport situation worsened in the late USSR consistently year after year. The reasons for this have not been clarified to this day and the situation continues to worsen.
                This is a separate topic for research or investigation. I would prefer an investigation, the malicious intent is very obvious.
                1. +1
                  February 10 2024
                  Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                  .... The reasons for this have not been clarified to this day and the situation continues to worsen.
                  This is a separate topic for research or investigation. I would prefer an investigation, the malicious intent is very obvious.

                  What gets worse as you move away from big cities --- yes. And this is understandable, capitalism is so convenient.
                  1. +1
                    February 10 2024
                    No, it doesn't look like that. I'm talking about a fairly large city. So, the sabotage began not even yesterday, but since the 1970s of the last century. Why does this question continue? This is a very big question. It continues to this day. The easiest way to identify the source of sabotage is through investigation. But it is not so simple here; it is difficult to attract these people by law, as well as to find out the reasons that motivate them to engage in sabotage. This requires special talent or a desire to get to the bottom of the truth.
                    1. +1
                      February 10 2024
                      70s? recourse I have nothing to say here. In our city there are long-standing and long tram routes. There are long-standing trolleybus routes. But bus services have often changed and changed a lot. That is, there have always been successful and not very successful options.
                      Malice, do you think? Maybe indifference and incompetence? request
                      1. +1
                        February 10 2024
                        Indifference and incompetence cannot last 50 years or more. This is ill will and malicious intent. This incompetence is too aggressive and consistent. If only we could grab hold of the person responsible for transport in our regional center and ask what he is guided by when planning transport, we could learn a lot of interesting things.
                        In Moscow, for example, one day they seemed to have found advisers in the person of an English consulting firm with headquarters in Boston (USA). Sometimes seemingly simple questions have very difficult answers.
                      2. 0
                        February 10 2024
                        Quote: Sergey Alexandrovich
                        Indifference and incompetence cannot last 50 years or more. This is ill will and malicious intent. This incompetence is too aggressive and consistent. .

                        If the place is based on acquaintances or relatives, then that’s exactly what will happen, I think
                      3. 0
                        February 10 2024
                        It seems to me that we should not think, but investigate, this is the only way to get to the truth.
                        It is enough to firmly grab the deputy head of the department by the causal place and squeeze it, then the truth will be known.
      4. +4
        February 8 2024
        But today AvtoVAZ gives the same 400 thousand a year as under Brezhnev.
        - I don’t know how it was under Brezhnev, but in the late 80s VAZ gave out more than 700 thousand. in year
  10. +16
    February 8 2024
    From the first lines I immediately understood that only Shpakovsky (a well-known hater of the “scoop” and what is connected with it) could write this.

    . But that’s where “sausage trains” and cards appeared in the USSR just then

    I only got cards in 1989 (90). In the midst of Gobachev's perestroika! It didn't happen before.
    But about the sausage trains, we will have to explain where they came from. Deficit. But this does not mean that such problems do not exist now. There are worse ones! They just solve it differently. For example, they raised the price of eggs and there seems to be no shortage - all citizens are “fed”! But in fact? Prices are rising, but wages are not very good.

    It was different in the USSR. Prices were not raised for scarce goods and therefore they were swept off the shelves. And the fact that we went by train to buy sausage was because train tickets were cheap and sausage was actually available somewhere if you went. By the way, it (the sausage) was lying freely in co-op stores and markets! But the experienced historian Shpakovsky, of course, will not write about this. Unfortunately.

    Yes, if now there were the same cheap prices for train tickets as then, and there were the same high-quality sausage, and most importantly, five times cheaper than now in stores, the same thing would happen. The same trains would go.
  11. +18
    February 8 2024
    So 1 rubles is absolutely not very much when you have your own planes, armored trains, and 100 limousines, like Brezhnev. Do you think he also bought them with a salary of 90 rubles? Or has he already been promoted?


    Baby talk.
    Not a serious argument.
    Party officials in the USSR LOSE all privileges and benefits after leaving service and retiring.
    That is why the collapse of the USSR occurred, because the party nomenklatura wanted to preserve these privileges FOREVER.

    PS
    Apartments and dachas of members of the CPSU Central Committee in the USSR are housing for servants of the current bourgeoisie.

    "Дома ЦК КПСС". https://www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/%D0%94%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%A6%D0%9A-%D0%9A%D0%9F%D0%A1%D0%A1.851744/

    "Forgotten dachas near Moscow of employees of the CPSU Central Committee. A little history and current state."
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZVDwBjos1mpZ6hAF
  12. +3
    February 8 2024
    I will not repeat the story about drilling pulpy teeth without anesthesia

    Leningrad, early perestroika years. Dental clinic on Vyborgskaya embankment, east of the Naval Academy. Mechanical drills of domestic production, clearly according to German reparation documentation, are quite possible with domestic improvement proposals. They drill reliably, but at low speeds and with inevitable vibration. They were probably a miracle of hostile technology in the 1940s, but it’s the 1980s. Of course they drill, either for a filling or into the pulp, without anesthesia. And in general, if it gets to the pulp, then there is no attempt to save the tooth, just tear it out (this is how my father, assigned to the same clinic, lost a quarter of his teeth even before perestroika).
    But!!!
    If you bring a box of assorted chocolates in acute shortage as a gift to the doctor (no, no, it’s not a bribe, just a modest token of gratitude for everything that has happened and what is to come), then an imported chair with an imported turbo machine will be uncovered, and there will be both an anesthetic ampoule and a disposable syringe. And if you stupidly offered money (there was one with a clearly southern accent who tried to do it in front of me), then they offered to stuff the money into themselves, and promised to call the OBKhSS next time about giving a bribe to an official during execution.
    And where did I, a simple novice engineer, suddenly find a source for these and many other sweets and aerated chocolate? This is a separate topic. But I used what flowed from that source without a twinge of conscience.
    1. +9
      February 8 2024
      Quote: Nagan
      If you bring a box of assorted chocolates as a gift to the doctor,

      I also lived in the USSR. And I never took anything to doctors. He must have been naive! Moreover, I have never seen others do this (friends, acquaintances). Assorted chocolates were indeed not sold freely in stores. But during the holidays (they threw it away) it always happened! All the children ate it.
      In fairness, we need to compare: now how much does a doctor cost and do they bring gifts to him?
    2. BAI
      +4
      February 8 2024
      For a work colleague, in the 90s, instead of a dental pin, they used a construction screw. For that - under anesthesia. And this is in Moscow.
    3. +2
      February 10 2024
      Quote: Nagan
      ..... Leningrad, early perestroika years. Dental clinic on Vyborgskaya embankment.

      Aha hi laughing We went to this clinic! For a long time. It's a small world. And sometimes I drive along this embankment and further. I always watch it with sadness and pleasure. With sadness, because many of the factories that were there before are gone. With pleasure ---- our beautiful city. Sometimes on business I had to go to Rybatsky like this
  13. +22
    February 8 2024
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, greetings.
    But I never agree with the approach of memories versus statistics.
    About the “secretaries of regional committees” and “city committees”.
    My neighbor in the small block where I lived was the secretary of the city committee. His wife, a wonderful teacher, worked at our school, and his daughter studied there. No super privileges, hyper apartments, and their apartment was smaller than ours.
    The only one, for some, people with an agricultural psychology, there was an irritating factor: on Fridays, dressed in a sports uniform with tennis rackets, he got into his Volga and drove to the court. By the way, anyone could use this court.
    But the responsibility, volume and scale of management that his activities covered was much greater when compared with modern city heads or mayors who “open bus stops” en masse and solemnly.
    The city was the industrial center of Crimea! As a joke, until recently, the most profitable enterprise in the city... the ferry crossing!!! Not the giant “Zaliv”, as in the “scoop”, not the Metallurgical Plant, which no longer exists, etc., not the Iron Ore Combine, which also no longer exists, not the fish farming concern “Kerchrybprom”, from which not even a dust remains, etc. . ...and the ferry crossing!
    It seems that the scale of industrial enterprises in Kerch at that time exceeded the volume of all production in modern Crimea: so compare how much did he receive or how little compared to the current head of Crimea? The press writes about his “income”...maybe slander?
    If his salary was 500 rubles, not counting the “privileges” in the form of tennis and the Volga!!!, then a sailor abroad received the same amount while on a voyage, if not more.
    But the level of responsibility was completely different.
    In the current situation, the mayor doesn’t even need to run a “telegram channel”, only the governor laughing
    1. +9
      February 8 2024
      The author is a specialist in image and PR. Perhaps it seems to him that PR is the Truth?

      Many, for example, seriously believe that even the repressions and victims of the Gulag are simply the result of the “struggle for privileges and power” - specifically for rations from the regional committee buffet, a company car and the right to wear pants with stripes: “Whoever wears such pants, women love" .... directly because of this and repression.... laughing
      1. +5
        February 8 2024
        Many, for example, seriously believe that even the repressions and victims of the Gulag are simply the result of the “struggle for privileges and power” -
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++
        But not without this
    2. +12
      February 8 2024
      not the fish farming concern “Kerchrybprom”, from which not even a dust remains
      So there is no dust left from the fish in the Azov and Black Seas. Where is the Kerch herring? Where is the Azov and Black Sea flounder? Where is the Azov and Black Sea goby - a world snack... Moreover, all this fish was caught by the joint efforts of Russia and Ukraine for 10 years since 1991 until 2002, but during the period of Soviet power they were not able to catch it. In our village, a fish factory was closed, it is not profitable to raise fry, all that remains is a fish farm, a former collective farm, we grow trout-goldfish in the literal sense of the word, for such authors and other bourgeoisie, an ordinary person, even with a salary of 30 thousand, cannot afford it. And we are the only ones left. Other fish farms in the area have closed. Haha (sarcasm) they raised common carp and mirror carp. We could expand production, but we can’t, there are no specialists, a lot will have to be done buy abroad, if not almost everything from equipment to all sorts of little things.
      1. +8
        February 8 2024
        I greet you!!!!
        Where is the Kerch herring?

        There is such a Kerch, anti-Soviet joke:
        There is some kind of congress of the CPSU going on. At the end of the meeting they ask: Any questions? A guy stands up: I’m a simple fisherman Vasya from Kerch, I want to know where the Kerch herring went?
        To him: sit down, comrade, we will explain to you during the break.
        Time passed, again at the end of the meeting: questions?
        A guy gets up: I’m a simple fisherman Petya from Kerch, I don’t want to know where the Kerch herring went, but I want to know where my friend Vasya went.

        PS A historical anecdote is not a scam!!!! This is on topic.

        The bull is an eternal theme - even Kataev and Limonov immortalized it in their works.
        1. +1
          February 8 2024
          And I remember it, the Kerch herring, in person, I liked it better than the ocean one, we weren’t often spoiled with Kerch herring in the village, but I ate it.
          1. +4
            February 8 2024
            And I remember her, the Kerch herring, by sight

            I eat sometimes when relatives bring them from Kerch.
            I respect any herring, but especially mine.
            The coastal residents are all fish eaters; as you get older, you never cease to wonder how people don’t eat fish or seafood?
            1. +4
              February 8 2024
              We are a bit far from the seas; we are not seaside, we are in the foothills... We began to forget about fish...
        2. BAI
          +9
          February 8 2024
          What struck the market in Sochi was the complete absence of Black Sea fish
          1. +3
            February 8 2024
            What struck the market in Sochi was the complete absence of Black Sea fish

            There is such a thing, under Ukraine, poaching flourished in Crimea, you could eat any fish out of season, I think they raked it clean.
            Now they have introduced strict conditions for fishing + NWO - so there is no fish on the entire Black Sea coast: it may grow up during this time.
            1. +3
              February 8 2024
              So the reason has long been known. Try to challenge it. Since the 80s, mainly in Tuapse, the jellyfish "Mnemiopsis" has been brought into the ballast waters of tankers. Which devoured plankton in the Black Sea. The fish disappeared.
              It was proposed to build an oil pipeline from Burgas to Alexandroupolis in order to avoid sending tankers from Southeast Asia to the Black Sea. But the Bulgarians banned it, which greatly helped Turkey and did not allow it to improve the environment.
              1. +2
                February 8 2024
                So the reason has long been known. Try to challenge it.

                Everyone on the coast knows this story, and there are also stories about rapana, which ate all the caviar of a goby and, also, pelengas ate everyone.
                Have you been to Istanbul or Bulgaria? - there is much more fish there: huge Black Sea flounders are sold. We also have it, maybe not in the same quantity as in 1945, as my grandmother told me laughing but there is, there’s just less of it.
                1. +2
                  February 8 2024
                  They say that in warm waters Mnemiopsis has natural enemies, but in slightly colder water nothing can resist it.
                  And then your explanation for the lack of fish?
                  Is it really the poachers who make it so that the herring does not rise up the river at all?
                  1. +7
                    February 8 2024
                    I live where the Kuban flows into the Sea of ​​Azov. So, in 1984, we were 10th graders, we went out to sea along the river on a boat on May 9 and laid wreaths at sea, in memory of the dead sailors, until 1986. Rocket sailed to Kerch, and also along the Kuban. The river was being deepened, the river was flooding, there was a place for spawning. Construction within the river's flood border was strictly prohibited, no bribes were in effect. Now, the Kuban is not being deepened, you can cross the mouth, navigation on the river missing, there was a functioning river port in Slavyansk-on-Kuban. Now, there is a market and baths there. The Kuban does not overflow, there is nowhere for fish to spawn. Construction is in full swing. They have opened up a housing complex at the site of the overflow. The river is in dams. The department that was engaged in dredging the rivers , including small rivers, which was disbanded in 2007, personally took over the dredging vessel and part of the property. It was not useful to our enterprise, since it was for the river and not for the sea. We had so much fish, pike caviar was rolled in a fish cannery, carp, and black ones even more so. Yes, the river oyster disappeared in the Kuban, it was so big, we caught catfish with its meat, by the way, the catfish also disappeared and the frogs, they also have nowhere to lay eggs. That’s the fish demography.
    3. +13
      February 8 2024
      About the “secretaries of regional committees” and “city committees”.

      My maternal grandfather was the secretary of the party committee of the Kirov plant.. Well, what can I say - we received three rubles from the plant, but I think - not at all for my grandfather’s position, the whole house is inhabited by Kirov residents. About income - we have always lived poorly. My mother told me that she had a friend whose father was a geologist. So says the difference in the level of the family - it was simply huge. Compared to that background, she considered herself almost a beggar. And the grandmother, may the kingdom of heaven be to her, periodically nagged the grandfather so that he would stop suffering from crap and go back to work. But it was apparently difficult for him - the wounds made themselves felt. Or maybe he just got lazy - who knows now. My grandfather made his living mainly through fees for articles in various newspapers. But for the party committee they paid little, no one saw any special rations or envelopes. And the Kirov plant - in terms of importance and quantity, it covered any area! Something like this..
      1. +6
        February 8 2024
        Quote: paul3390
        Well, what can I say - we received three rubles from the plant, but I think - not at all for my grandfather’s position, the whole house is inhabited by Kirov residents.

        My mother and father received housing three times. The room in the barracks is one-room apartment - four.
      2. +1
        February 10 2024
        Quote: paul3390
        ... we received three rubles from the plant, but I think it’s not at all for my grandfather’s position, the whole house is inhabited by Kirov residents. ..

        good I would like to add that there was more than one such house! But -----dozens! Literally on all the streets near the Kirov plant. Good solid Stalinka bricks, or block bricks, or other later bricks. Apartments were given in meters per person plus some other meters. At the same time, one cannot help but recall the pre-revolutionary barracks of the Putilov plant. The owners also housed workers next to the plant. But this was completely different housing.
    4. +5
      February 8 2024
      for some, people with an agricultural psychology

      laughing good
  14. +12
    February 8 2024
    Sick man Shpakovsky.
  15. +8
    February 8 2024
    Shpakovsky is such Shpakovsky laughing , everything is stable, nothing changes....
    1. -7
      February 8 2024
      [quote=faiver
      Alexey RA
      (Alexey)

      Yesterday, 11: 10
      It is more profitable for industry to produce new equipment; it is easier for a collective farm to buy a new tractor than to repair an old one (especially considering that spare parts for industry have the lowest priority - the topic of “how to get spare parts” was a regular topic in Soviet satire). And as a result, in the early 80s, while in elementary school and visiting relatives in the village of Ragdino (Kalinin region), I was wildly surprised to find a cemetery of agricultural machinery smelling of rust and diesel fuel on the outskirts of the village. Tracked tractors, attachments, even a couple of combines, in my opinion, there were. To the question “what is this” I received the answer “yes, I abandoned the collective farm, don’t go there - there’s something else working there.”
      1. -11
        February 8 2024
        your1970
        (Sergei)
        Yesterday, 11: 17
        Quote: Alexey RA
        discovering a cemetery of agricultural machinery smelling of rust and diesel fuel on the outskirts of the village
        Such cemeteries were cleared out back in the 90s. Now they are dragging them from the fields of rivers, ravines and forest plantations. An acquaintance handed over the seeder last year - it had grown into the ground almost to the top in a ravine. That is, the sowing season had ended, they unhooked it into the ravine - so as not to enter the collective farm farm yard and let's go home.
        And how tractors were drowned around the area on Easter is another song of song....
        1. -9
          February 8 2024
          Alexey RA
          (Alexey)
          Yesterday, 11: 25
          Quote: your1970
          Everything around is folk, everything around is nobody’s.
          I remember an interview with the chairman of an agricultural cooperative in the early 2000s. They ask him about the yield - and he answers: “Yes, it’s five times higher than in Soviet times.” They begin to torture - how, and why. And there is only one answer: “Before, we weren’t particularly worried about expenses, and neither were yields. But now fuel, equipment and chemicals are expensive, and we have to buy them with our own money - so we had to read smart books on agriculture left over from Soviet times, and an agronomist listen. And immediately everything went wrong!"
      2. +9
        February 8 2024
        Vyacheslav Olegovich,
        this is about one area:
        And as a result, in the early 80s, while in elementary school and visiting relatives in the village of Ragdino (Kalinin region), I was wildly surprised to find a cemetery of agricultural machinery smelling of rust and diesel fuel on the outskirts of the village.

        But I didn’t observe this in Crimea...so what?
        This is a particularity - and not widespread evidence, in some places there was careless leadership, in others there was not.
        but in general the SYSTEM from a management point of view was several orders of magnitude higher.
        But as a child, I observed the air defense system along the entire coast of Crimea: you drive along the highway and there is radar everywhere at some interval, radar all the time... but now I don’t observe
        1. +3
          February 8 2024
          there are radars everywhere at some interval
          Modern radars are more powerful.
          1. +7
            February 8 2024
            It's noticeable on the news
            1. +1
              February 8 2024
              They are opposed by NATO forces. Electronic intelligence, satellites, missiles themselves.
              1. +8
                February 8 2024
                and intergalactic empire
                1. +3
                  February 8 2024
                  StormShadow - developed by scientists from Lviv? Constant patrols by NATO reconnaissance officers and the transfer of information from satellites are also a reality. Ukry only presses buttons, and that’s not a fact.
                  1. +8
                    February 8 2024
                    I am only writing about what happened. At that time, air defense was at the best world level and Ukraine was in a single state, and our armed forces were in Berlin, but NATO was also there.
                    And everyone knows about the dancer, what bothers him.
              2. BAI
                +5
                February 8 2024
                They are opposed by NATO forces. Electronic intelligence, satellites, missiles themselves.

                NATO has been an enemy of the USSR and Russia since its formation. The army of the USSR and Russia has always been preparing for war against NATO. Why be afraid that NATO is opposing us?
                1. +4
                  February 8 2024
                  Why be afraid that NATO is opposing us?
                  There is no need to be scared, you need to understand that everything is a demo version.
              3. +4
                February 8 2024
                This is not a war with NATO, but a proxy war. You won’t say that the USA fought with the USSR in Vietnam and Korea?
                1. +4
                  February 8 2024
                  This is a proxy war, but NATO’s capabilities have not been revealed even by a third.
      3. +5
        February 8 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        Tracked tractors, attachments, even a couple of combines, in my opinion, there were. To the question “what is this” I received the answer “yes, I abandoned the collective farm, don’t go there - there’s something else working there.”

        In the 70s and 80s, I also wandered around state farms with my father in the summer. I've seen such "dumps". As my dad told me, they will be repairing it in the winter, so it’s true, “don’t go there.”
        1. +8
          February 8 2024
          From these “dumps” there were three ways for agricultural equipment: 1) - donors in the form of spare parts, 2) - part of this equipment was sent for overhaul, usually to the regional agricultural equipment or to other enterprises for the repair of agricultural equipment. They also did the repairs themselves in their workshops, usually in the winter. 3) - Nobody canceled the plan for the delivery of scrap metal; on average, an agricultural enterprise had to hand over about 40 tons of scrap metal per year, non-ferrous scrap was also handed over. The equipment on collective and state farms was constantly updated, the factories for its production were in operation. No matter what they say, the village was developing - active construction was going on, including housing for workers. Now what? Agricultural holdings cultivate the land, but they have nothing to do with the infrastructure of the area where they work; they often work on a rotational basis, driving equipment over long distances several times a year. Accordingly, local residents do not have jobs in these holdings with all the ensuing consequences. And there are hardly any people left in the villages in the original Russian regions.
  16. +6
    February 8 2024
    The past is gone. People grow old and their homes grow old

    Time destroys granite castles and covers cities with sand. (C) Alas. On abandoned buildings built close to ours in Soviet times, young growth appears, in some places there are already small birch trees, with their roots they bite into the sand-lime brick, seemingly without any useful elements, destroying it. And as time passes, they will destroy this building created by man, but absolutely unnecessary for nature, dying in the process themselves.
  17. +4
    February 8 2024
    The article is interesting and based on the author’s experience. I regard that era - as well as the modern one - with warmth, since it is stupid to crap on the place in which you live. But, in my personal experience, there were and still are disadvantages for the common man. And they will.

    “From 1985 to 1988, I had to study at graduate school in the city of Kuibyshev (today Samara), and there were regional cards for sausage.”

    But we didn’t have cards, and sausage completely disappeared around 1988. Then everything else disappeared, then cards were introduced for the most important things - butter, vodka, sugar, baby food - and it became easier. We went to Moscow for sausage. Yes, and this is not a necessary thing, sausage.

    There were indicators, but there was no food. This is very reminiscent of the current situation, when income and economic growth are announced, but mainly only prices rise.

    Here I will say this - they lied then, and they lie now, but then there really were no goods, now there are.
  18. +10
    February 8 2024
    Soviet party leaders, with all their privileges (fictitious and real), are like “boys in short pants,” compared to today’s undisguised kitsch of those in power. And throwing dirt on one’s past, well, probably imitation of the guarantor, is fashionable now both as an excuse for oneself for the state of the day.
  19. +3
    February 8 2024
    Soviet party leaders, with all their privileges (fictitious and real), are like “boys in short pants,” compared to today’s undisguised kitsch of those in power. And trashing one’s past, well, probably imitation of the guarantor, is fashionable now both as an excuse for one’s worthlessness, for the state of the day.
  20. +12
    February 8 2024
    The fact is that when I worked in the archives of the OK CPSU of the Penza region, I came across a top secret document about the salary of the first secretary of the Regional Committee, and the amount was even less than the amount named by the author - 500 rubles!


    In my ATP (motor depot) in the summer in the late 70s, early 80s, drivers earned somewhere between 450-600 rubles a month, and the director had a salary of 250 rubles (this is with almost 1000 people working there).. .
    I read what the author wrote and I’ll say, as my father said about such people: “a float” - to put it mildly - like it will never drown
  21. +10
    February 8 2024
    And what is characteristic is that the most ardent denouncers of the CPSU were people holding not the last positions in this very CPSU. Our political officer, who spent his entire service promoting the ideas of Marxism-Leninism, changed his color and went to the priests....
  22. +5
    February 8 2024
    “It so happened that in 1976, while still studying at a teacher training university,”

    About medicine and accessibility.

    My mother-in-law lives in the regional center, in which there used to be a hospital, now there is no hospital and, in case of illness (and my mother-in-law is getting older), an ambulance travels from the republican center, in the emergency room they revive her, but they don’t put her in the hospital - limits, quotas and etc. Then she sits in the emergency room and her son comes to pick her up, since the ambulance won’t take her back.

    Availability has become less.

    As for quality, there are different cases. A friend of mine broke his arm and spent 2 days in the traumatology department, but the doctors did nothing to him except an examination and compresses, but he needed surgery. His hand was swollen, and finally he was advised to give it - he gave it, and then he was cured.

    The second case - my former classmate began to experience heart problems. He first stopped drinking, then smoking, but the problems remained. He could not pay for examination and treatment and was waiting for a quota. Several months passed, there was still no quota, and he died at the wheel of his minibus. The passengers were lucky - he managed to slow down, and his wife leaned over and braked with her hand, no one else was hurt.

    That is, if there is not enough money, then medicine is a poor help, even compared to the times of the USSR.
  23. +5
    February 8 2024
    The question is not related to the article, again the site “works crookedly”, adds two comments and rates twice, maybe return the old version? There were no such problems there.
    1. +3
      February 8 2024
      not under the article
      Not according to the article..Do you want a joke? Krch, in our area, they are going to hold rural Olympic games. Types of competitions. Grass mowing, lapta and milking of cows.. Mowing and lapta okay.. milking of cows.. men with a milking machine on their back need to run 500 m to the cow and milk it. , the norm for women is to run less than 300 m.. You need to mow the grass with scythes.. The director of our village recreation center brought this news... We only have scythes left in our fishery.. Reeds, we mow them down so that the ponds do not overgrow. I came to borrow inventory, well, I told you laughing
      1. +4
        February 8 2024
        hi Who made a bad joke or smoked heavily?
        1. +2
          February 8 2024
          hi Seriously, the initiative of the region is about rural games, but the types were probably invented by the district leadership, they didn’t specify who came up with what... I was a loser when I heard about milking cows, I was laughing all day...
          1. +2
            February 8 2024
            "kada about milking cows"tinny wassat
  24. Msi
    +17
    February 8 2024
    According to the article. Mr. Shpakovsky decided to make money... He writes an absolutely provocative article. For views and a lot of comments. Well, it worked out. I collected more saliva and spat relishingly into our Soviet past.
  25. +4
    February 8 2024
    “The USSR had a quarter of all the scientific workers in the whole world. According to WIPO data, the USSR had more than twice the number of inventions of the USA and almost twice the number of inventions of Japan.”

    I can’t say anything about the USSR; I’m far from science. I can only assume that the USSR was larger than Russia and had allies in the countries of the socialist bloc, and besides, it was more difficult to leave, so objectively, science there should have been stronger, at least due to quantitative superiority.

    In modern Russia, not everything is good either; we rejoice at the successes of our scientists, who, however, work precisely abroad.
  26. +8
    February 8 2024
    “...the salary of the General Secretary of the CPSU Central Committee was about 1 rubles.”

    There is, of course, a large amount of cunning here; we should not forget that he may not have needed the money at all; most likely, it all went to his relatives.

    A friend of mine in those years mined crab and his salary was more than 1 rubles. per month - true, and it was still a lot of work.

    My childhood friend worked as a welder on main pipelines, including abroad - his earnings exceeded 1 rubles. per month. True, the shift method is not for everyone.

    However, the level of inequality in the USSR and in modern Russia is incomparable, and not in favor of Russia.
  27. +9
    February 8 2024
    “No matter how much I tried to find out the amount of “handouts”, I did not find out. I discovered that these payments were made through the financial bodies of the CPSU Central Committee, and in 1985–1988 I no longer had access to this archive. Perhaps this information continues to remain today "It's a secret behind seven seals, but the fact that the amount of 1 rubles is an obvious lie is undoubtedly. The matter was not limited to this salary alone."
    The author has nothing to cite to support his words, except for the word “undoubtedly.” Almost like the favorite phrase of liberals - “as everyone knows.”
    What is the point of the note? Be an opponent to another author? These countless “picking your nose” with a search for only the shortcomings of the Soviet government make sense only for those who are determined to see exclusively “black” or “white”. It makes sense to consider the issue, only comprehensively.
    The use of dubious examples from the past, based on personal experience of poor-quality treatment in connection specifically with the Soviet regime, is completely incorrect. There are many such examples, in any historical period, and in any country, right up to the present day...
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  28. +8
    February 8 2024
    Damn the socialist system, 30++ years since it was killed, and the houses built under it are falling apart!
    1. +4
      February 8 2024
      the houses built under him are falling apart!
      And plumbing and heating systems.. Not long ago, as a result of unprecedented three-degree frosts, our heating and plumbing system broke down, although not Soviet, they changed it five years ago.. There was no heat, no water either.. But within a week they corrected the situation .
      1. +5
        February 8 2024
        Gentlemen, we are going the right way!
        1. +3
          February 8 2024
          This is what the author does
  29. +11
    February 8 2024
    Just recently, I go to work at night. At one of the intersections I see a large poster for Putin and young guys handing out leaflets in support. I couldn’t resist coming up and asking:
    - Are you for the idea or for the money?
    - We are volunteers.
    - In general, how do you feel about Putin’s rule?
    - He raised Russia from its knees!!!
    - Does the fact that Putin raised the pension to 65 years count as a rise from his knees?
    And you know, this question threw them into a stupor. Then I simply listed what was nearby: nails and screws, light bulbs and sockets in whose stores? Washing machines, TVs, telephones, etc?
    They know whether they are Chinese or foreign. Then he told me about the plant and salaries. Either pensioners or those approaching retirement age are working. They themselves do not plan to go to work at the plant.
    - Well, give an example of what Putin “raised from his knees”?
    This is what I mean. The author either bought his education, although in those days it was free, or he is working off his “30 pieces of silver.” Well, that's a poor article!
  30. +4
    February 8 2024
    The author did not end up with an article, but simply some kind of coming out.
    1. +2
      February 8 2024
      Here is the situation, he is a believer on this issue, like Samsonov on the issue of “Ukrainianism,” two boots in a pair. smile
      1. +8
        February 8 2024
        Here is the situation, he is a believer on this issue, like Samsonov on the issue of “Ukrainianism,” two boots in a pair.

        Yes, there is no faith either there or there. Shpakovsky himself openly and more than once said that he would write anything about anything if they paid for it. This can be seen even from publications on VO - the main thing is to “drive the plan along the shaft,” even if readers will be perplexed as to what relation the contents of Shpakovsky’s dinner plates (with photographs of the contents) have to do with a forum on military topics. That’s why he prefers to dwell on provocative topics and collect more comments. Nothing personal, it's just business.
        1. +5
          February 8 2024
          Shpakovsky himself openly and more than once said that he would write anything about anything if they paid for it.
          Fulfilling a social order?..Now I look, now about cats, now about toys...And now this...I remember the list of ancient professions. He has a second one, after the first.
  31. +3
    February 8 2024
    But if you look at this article from the other side. Many are surprised, well, how is it that the post-Soviet space, the countries of the collective West, became Russophobic (anti-Soviet). But thanks to approximately such massive brain processing from all the irons and kettles with a whistle, and for more than a dozen years and everyone in his own way. So the author clears his brain, and also polishes it to a shine, at the end of the article it is written: To be continued....
  32. +6
    February 8 2024
    Yes, the author’s attack on the fan turned out to be thorough.
  33. +3
    February 8 2024
    Impressive numbers, right? But where did “sausage trains” and cards appear in the USSR just then?

    That there were cards for sausage throughout the whole period... in the 80s we always had sausage at home... and it was high quality and not from MMO chicken with a bunch of coloring agents... and you know what dye the USSR used and which one is used today... take an interest and you will understand from why is there so much cancer... and the shelves are now filled with products... but not everyone can afford to eat sausage every day... even of this quality...
    I will not repeat the story about drilling pulpy teeth without anesthesia - I have already written about this more than once.

    Everything is in comparison..did you have your teeth treated in America or Europe in those days? Technologies do not stand still... let’s say in pre-revolutionary Russia they didn’t bother at all... they just tore them out...
    Well, how our inventions were implemented has also been written at VO more than once. And what was the point of creating inventions if they were not implemented?

    I agree with you here.. there was a big problem, as a result, many inventors and inventions found life in other countries.. This relates to the bureaucracy and short-sightedness of officials.. well, and on the plus side, the course itself was focused more on defense and, in fact, that’s all that was of interest ..consumer goods and so on last..
    The fact is that in addition to the basic salary, senior officials of the party apparatus also received money in... envelopes.

    Nothing has changed.. and now everything is exactly the same.. only the amounts have become shameless
    And our “defender” should have known that prices in the regional committee canteens were frozen at the 1928 level, which also made it possible to save considerable sums with very high-quality food.

    Did you see the amounts in the State Duma, in the canteens? Again, nothing has changed...
    Shpakovsky is still an amazing person... you can feel the deep psychological trauma left to you by the USSR... because it seems like youth... and hormones, girls... well, in general, people, as a rule, have youth, even if they weren’t very young... but the memories are only positive because for those who are not traumatized, the brain erases everything negative... and you have a severe injury... write an article about it, we will help with the whole world... we will heal.. laughing hi
    1. 0
      February 9 2024
      I spoke several times with several retired former Soviet leaders of my town. They did not receive any money in envelopes; this is already a post-Soviet practice, when they were allowed to have a business at the same time. Everyone lived, on average, the same as the city dwellers, but adjusted for the enormous mental load and responsibility, but they lived like everyone else.
  34. +4
    February 8 2024
    sausage, which could be bought freely, and not only in your area and during rush hours, and so that later, a day later, it would not turn green!

    This problem in our time, after jumping from our knees, was resolved in an elementary way. It turned out that if you don’t put meat in the sausage, it remains elastic and pink even after a month of storage on a heating radiator. The proles are happy - you can buy them without coupons, right in the district.
  35. +4
    February 8 2024
    Diluted water and not milk, this is just now....green sausage made from soap is also now...about the availability of medicine now it’s actually kind of surreal...the author are you a Kremlinbot?) and the houses in the photo during the USSR looked decent , By the way
    1. +5
      February 8 2024
      By the way, even a half-blind person can see that the houses in the photo are abandoned. Sometimes in such houses that have been demolished, people wait for relocation without doing anything, and this can continue for years.
      1. +2
        February 10 2024
        Quote: Alexey Lantukh
        By the way, even a half-blind person can see that the houses in the photo are abandoned. Sometimes in such houses that have been demolished, people wait for relocation without doing anything, and this can continue for years.

        I myself wanted to write that perhaps they are there for the sake of preserving the site, or not that they are abandoned, but people are registered, but live in other places. Or permitting documents for new ones are being prepared
  36. +8
    February 8 2024
    Life in the USSR left a truly unhealed wound in the soul of the “enlightened intelligentsia”. How incalculable were her sufferings, how severe were her mental anguish, one feels that during the day, carefully carrying their party card, at night her representatives, in the light of the stub of a dull, crookedly made Soviet candle, which was only lit the thirtieth time with a damp Soviet match from Plitspichprom, they exalted their tearful prayers “For the fall of the Soviet Union.”
    In a damp communist basement, heated with damp communist firewood, finishing a sandwich with green communist sausage made from toilet paper (required) brought on sausage (required) trains, spending nights in vigils and lamentations, they brought closer the bright era of the free market, glasnost and the saints of the 90s. And in the end they brought it closer.
  37. +7
    February 8 2024
    Many thanks to the author, without any irony. If he had not written this nonsense, many would have remembered how they lived. The houses in the photo are old, built after the war, why they are not being renovated is certainly not a question for the Soviet government.
  38. +2
    February 8 2024
    “The railway transport system of the USSR transported 2–3 times more cargo than in the USA, and passenger turnover was tens of times higher.”

    Well, things like this really amuse the hell out of those who are at least a little immersed in the topic. At one time, when we created the BRZD (that’s what this thing is called), a train masquerading as a civilian but in fact being a kind of disguised variation of the PGRK riding along the vast expanses of our railways, the Americans also worked on a similar topic. And they came to the conclusion that in their case such a thing is complete nonsense, because in the USA, SUDDENLY, the emphasis is not on railways in transporting passengers and, to a large extent, even transporting goods - namely, on motor transport. And they stupidly have much less of these same compounds that can be disguised and in the end the game is not worth the candle. Yes, they use railways, but not in such volumes as ours. Because the roads are better and the transport infrastructure is better - this is what happened historically.
    And comparing us with the United States in terms of railways is the same as comparing us in terms of cars per capita, that is, it is completely incorrect.

    As for money, the less “real” the market is, the more the money looks like pieces of paper and candy wrappers. In the USSR the market was much less real than it is now. There was such a thing as a deficit - obvious (in the categories of production or due to inept supply) and hidden (in the categories of needs that were not covered by the launch of production or imports). In other words, even if you had money, you might not be able to get it. Thus, acquaintances and connections solved some issues more effectively than simply having funds. This includes access to foreign goods and medicines. In the USSR, there was level segregation, expressed in access to things and services depending on the level of belonging, bypassing, so to speak, traditional economic thresholds. For example, in an ordinary “human” clinic, doctors might have no idea about foreign medicines (even those produced in other parts of the social bloc) and, accordingly, could not advise them. But if you belonged to some large enterprise or to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, or were simply a member of some departments, you had access to doctors who could know about it and even have it at hand. Of course, this increased the chances of healthy survival, because in the pernicious West they also didn’t pick their noses in terms of pharmaceutical developments.
    But, of course, these are all “ugly nuances”.

    The union was far from ideal. It was possible to catch this and try to do it better, which would have been quite possible, but ... we fought against this with lies and rubbish, and then made it worse. And now those who prefer to pretend that everything was murky in those days continue this deceptive line. It wasn’t purring then.
  39. +2
    February 8 2024
    The walls are new, but the windows are old...

    What is the negative of this photo? After all, the windows are not old, but antique-style.
  40. +2
    February 8 2024
    Down with Shpakovsky!
    Ban him from writing on VO!
    And spill warm honey on the keyboard!
    And smear the tablet screen with fish oil!

    Actually, thanks to this article by Shpakovsky, many were able to express their opinions in the comments. And some opinions are very interesting, because... show that both in the USSR and now everyone has their own personal truth and history, and there is something in common. Even in personal stories.
    About cards and sausage, for example...
    Some people write that there was always sausage at home, while others write that it was rare.
    Who to believe? Everyone. Everyone has their own experience.
    And I repeat ...
    Shpakovsky is needed both for today’s article, in order to increase the click-through rate, and in historical articles, so that it would be pleasant to read.
    Just when we liked it, we say Thank you and that’s it. And when you didn’t like it... Well, author, wait a minute!!!
  41. +1
    February 9 2024
    You remember the sausage trains here, but no one takes into account that the USSR Over drove a lot of things almost or almost for nothing in the form of help to everyone who was not too lazy to ask for it under the sauce of socialism, communism and other isms. What I mean is that if we hadn’t helped so generously, our population would have had enough. But there is a nuance here in the form of intra-Soviet isms from Comrade Suslov and his department of the Central Committee.
  42. 0
    February 9 2024
    I remembered 80. Worked at the Baikonur cosmodrome. I was very surprised by the crooked paradoxes. The entire Union has created a wonderful cosmodrome. I was especially impressed by the Buran-Energia program. But... To get to the launch site, you have to drive tens of kilometers on uneven road slabs that shook your soul. The installers had to be transported in trucks. It got to the point that the heads of the installation sites moved on truck cranes. But according to the statements of our party elite, the Union produced the most buses, cars and machinery in the world. In fact, everything was fine according to the tribunes of the fucking congresses.
    1. 0
      February 9 2024
      Quote: yur1053
      To get to the launch site, you have to drive tens of kilometers on uneven road slabs that shook your soul.

      I was in the Kazakh steppes. If the asphalt is broken, no one bothers - they roll the road straight across the steppe.

      Quote: yur1053
      But according to the statements of our party elite, the Union produced the most buses, cars and machinery in the world.

      You came up with this yourself. Indeed, they produced the most tractors in the world.
  43. +2
    February 9 2024
    What is written is generally correct, I would add that most of these houses were built by the Tsars...
    There are many of them in old provincial cities - for example, in Tomsk, in the very center... although more or less interesting ones are being monitored and restored there...
    I believe that most of those nostalgic for the USSR will not understand your attempt to write the truth - everything is fine in youth! hi
    1. -2
      February 9 2024
      Quote: DrEng02
      I believe that most of those nostalgic for the USSR will not understand your attempt to write the truth - everything is fine in youth!

      I agree with you. According to Pareto's law, 80% of people are quite stupid, even if they have an education. And here it is - confirmation of this. On the one hand, you can rejoice: among the blind and crooked, there is a king. On the other hand, it’s sad, what kind of people are like power, which means they’ll be “hanging around” on the ruins of the mosque for a long time...
      1. +2
        February 9 2024
        Quote: kalibr
        what kind of people - such is the power

        Still, this is not a consequence of education, but more of the level of culture, including political...
        For example, we have lost the culture of protest - there were demonstrations, strikes, etc. in the Republic of Ingushetia. - and that was normal! See modern France or Germany - it’s there! And this does not affect management directly, but it does! Although the bosses there are used to this, but here we immediately panic...
        Self-organization of people has also been lost - there were all sorts of professional societies, they held congresses, published newspapers, etc., this was a way of dialogue with the authorities. Yes, sprouts are appearing now...
        These are only 2 consequences of the destruction of society under the Bolsheviks and the transformation of people into an atomized mass, which is controlled through the media and controlled by authorities... hi
        1. -1
          February 9 2024
          Quote: DrEng02
          but more at the level of culture, including political...
          For example, we have lost the culture of protest - there were demonstrations, strikes, etc. in the Republic of Ingushetia. - and that was normal! See modern France or Germany - it’s there! And this does not affect management directly, but it does! Although the bosses there are used to this, but here we immediately panic...
          Self-organization of people has also been lost - there were all sorts of professional societies, they held congresses, published newspapers, etc., this was a way of dialogue with the authorities. Yes, sprouts are appearing now...
          These are only 2 consequences of the destruction of society under the Bolsheviks and the transformation of people into an atomized mass, which is controlled through the media and controlled by authorities...

          Totally agree with you!
  44. +2
    February 9 2024
    Auto RU
    1) “The error of hasty generalization - from the particular to the general”[ https://proza.ru/2014/02/19/1124 ]
    ...Here is what is said about this error in various logic textbooks:
    “Errors associated with induction include, first of all, hasty generalizations (fallacia fictae universalitatis). When travelers, after a superficial acquaintance with any people, make attempts to characterize it, for example, when they say: “Greeks are deceitful,” “Turks are cruel,” etc., then they fall precisely into the error of hasty generalization.” (G.I. Chelpanov. Textbook on logic. M., 1946. P. 134).
    “The proof is untenable when they try to substantiate a broad thesis with individual facts - a generalization in this case will be “too broad or hasty.” The reason for the appearance of such unconvincing generalizations is explained, as a rule, by insufficient analysis of the factual material...” (V.I. Kirillov, A.A. Starchenko Logika, M., 1999. P. 218.)
    “Hasty generalization. This error characterizes the well-known lack of restraint of the researcher when he generalizes the first positive results without sufficient verification and passes them off as a scientific law. Here the desired is presented as reality and the impression is created of a solution to an essentially unresolved issue. To avoid such an error, it is necessary to consider as many cases as possible and try to select them taking into account the widest variety of conditions affecting this phenomenon. For a reliable conclusion, hundreds of facts are needed to confirm it, and a single contradictory case can destroy this conclusion.
    Sometimes a hasty generalization may conceal outright dishonesty or even a conscious attempt to pass off as truth a position that is far from proven.” (E.A. Khomenko Logic. M., 1976. P. 151).

    From here it flows smoothly
    2) Soviet statistics, obtained as a result of processing a huge amount (not isolated cases) of materials, deserve unconditional trust. And it can serve as a basis for conclusions.
    1. -2
      February 9 2024
      Quote: October
      And it can serve as a basis for conclusions.

      Work in the archives of the Central Committee of the CPSU, the Central Committee of the Komsomol, OK Penza, Samara, Saratov and Ulyanovsk regions and your optimism will greatly diminish.
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  46. 0
    February 10 2024
    They will tell me that even now it happens that rare medicines have to be obtained. Yes, it happens, but much less often, and most importantly, no one now writes on fences: “The people and the party are united!” and “The good of the people is the main law of the USSR.”

    Dear Vyacheslav Olegovich, turn on the TV before writing something like this. It’s very interesting how long you’ll stop listening to about “send any amount via SMS to help Olenka,” whose parents don’t have enough salary for the rest of their lives to pay for expensive treatment in an Israeli clinic or products from German pharmaceutical concerns, during the breaks of the next talk show on the topic of unprecedented consolidation people against the backdrop of well-known events and the obvious lack of an alternative to the current course of the ruling Elta.
    Are you sure you live in Russia?
    1. 0
      February 10 2024
      Quote: Bogalex
      Are you sure you live in Russia?

      I wrote, Alexey, about what happened to me and what many people witnessed. I think this is clear from the article? Or are you, like some of the note-taking idiots here, reading between the lines? And again... parents don’t have enough for treatment in Israel... I understand that. But in the USSR no one could even think of getting treatment in Germany or Israel. This was NOT possible. Do you feel the difference, or is it inaccessible to you?
      1. 0
        February 10 2024
        Oh-wey!... Everyone is not allowed, but Jews are allowed? How many Ukrainians left for Canada?

        I remember the film “The Tale of the Siberian Land” produced in 1946. There, one hero convinces the heroine to make a career in Moscow and says: “The opportunity to see the whole World will open before you!” And the Soviet audience in 1946 perceived this as normal.

        Many Soviet artists even received treatment in the West. And not just desk workers. Elite, what then, what today..... So what? At least the Soviet elite definitely did not consist of bandits and thieves.

        IT WAS POSSIBLE. Do you feel the difference?
        Yes, in fact, it was impossible for the majority of the population to receive treatment in Germany in a good private clinic, just as it is now.

        According to Soviet law it is possible!
        Is it impossible for you to understand this?
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          February 10 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          IT WAS POSSIBLE. Do you feel the difference?

          But it is not available to everyone. And it was available only to the elite. Which, as now,

          Quote: ivan2022
          consisted of bandits and thieves

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          According to Soviet law, you can

          What is “possible”, Vanya? fool
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          February 10 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          At least the Soviet elite definitely did not consist of bandits and thieves.

          But it consisted of enemies of the people and spies from all countries of the world!
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          February 10 2024
          Quote: ivan2022
          And the Soviet audience in 1946 perceived this as normal.

          They took the “Kuban Cossacks” seriously... Yesterday’s peasants... What to take from them...
  47. 0
    February 10 2024
    Nevermind, what were the rickety huts from the times of damned tsarism supposed to symbolize?
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      February 10 2024
      Quote: Mobik
      Nevermind, what were the rickety huts from the times of damned tsarism supposed to symbolize?

      That everything in the world is changing and once good and beautiful houses are falling into disrepair. Why can’t this happen with the state?
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    February 12 2024
    I agree with the author on one thing - if a person is a communist, a materialist, a researcher, then he is obliged to study sources on the topic, of course, and above all monographs, archival materials, and yes, with all personal sympathies for any philosophy, politics, he must take into account, describe and explain not only that what was great, but also all the shortcomings and their reasons.

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