On the way to Minsk-3: a new US strategy in Ukraine

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On the way to Minsk-3: a new US strategy in Ukraine


Forecasts are a thankless task


Abroad it is now very difficult to find adequate predictors. Military analysts and NATO staff officers, who hone their skills in war games and large-scale exercises, turned out to be poor advisers to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. A year and a half ago, the sponsors of the Kyiv regime began seriously training Ukrainian militants according to NATO standards. The practice turned out to be flawed for many reasons. First of all, preparing a capable attack aircraft or tanker in a few months is a thankless and initially adventurous task. Even far from the front and even at respectable training grounds in Europe. It would be nice to have at least a year and a half for this. Moreover, when the number of trainees exceeds ten combined arms brigades.



A paradox has arisen. On the one hand, Bandera’s followers simply have nowhere and no one else to learn from except NATO generals. Ukraine does not and cannot have its own military school, and ideology does not allow one to take advantage of Soviet experience. On the other hand, the NATO concept could not ensure victory in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan. Someone will remember the victorious Desert Storm, but the forces of the coalition cannot be compared with the capabilities of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, and the Russian army is not the army of Saddam Hussein.


The accelerated training of Ukrainian militants in Europe and the United States, in addition to the above, completely did not take into account the realities of the Russian defensive line. By the end of November last year, NATO generals admitted that they had built a line of defense in front of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, the likes of which had not been seen since the Korean War. But the recognition of foreign opinion leaders does not make things any easier for the Kyiv regime.

Having destroyed their most combat-ready units and Western equipment during the summer offensive, Zaluzhny and his generals will now not be able to go on the attack throughout 2024. According to the Russian Ministry of Defense, the summer campaign cost Ukraine 200 killed and wounded militants. Moreover, the positions occupied with difficulty in the summer are gradually being returned by the Russian army. Just before the New Year, it became known that the enemy was retreating from the Rabotino region in the Zaporozhye region. Officially, in enemy propaganda it sounds like “Ukrainian troops withdrew for the winter to more protected positions near Rabotin" It is enough to remember what losses the enemy suffered during the summer conquests to understand the significance of what was happening.

In the near future, the Russian army should enter the starting positions of the Ukrainian summer offensive of 2023, which will cause considerable reputational damage to Zaluzhny’s entire office. Two conclusions follow from the recent retreat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces in the Zaporozhye and Donetsk regions of Russia. The first is that the enemy is unable to establish a defense in the Russian manner. At least in two areas near Rabotino and in the abandoned Avdeevka. Secondly, winter did not become an insurmountable obstacle to the Russian offensive. Unlike last year, harassment attacks are a serious problem for the Ukrainian command.

The Russian army creates magnets for the enemy along the entire front line, forcing him to transfer scarce resources, thereby weakening the entire defense contour. It was from this tactic that the famous paradigm grew that “Ukraine will no longer fight for every last house – the priority is the lives of its own soldiers.” In other words, the enemy's retreat is inevitable. The only question is to what point.

It is impossible not to dwell on the Kremlin’s position in the current situation. Numbers speak most eloquently about the plans of the Russian command. For 2024, almost 11 trillion rubles are planned for military needs - this is about one third of all state budget expenditures. Compared to the predominantly “defensive” spending in 2023, “offensive” spending this year is 62 percent more.

Washington Plan


It is obvious that further prolongation of the conflict under the existing disposition will only increase the losses of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and will burn even more Western equipment. Without any profit for the West. The Republicans understood this very well, guaranteeing Kyiv a strict “diet” for many months to come. For the slow retreat of Bandera’s followers, as they see it in Washington, this is quite enough. According to New Times, American officials openly talk about the impossibility of seizing what has already become Russian territory in the east. It’s paradoxical, but these same officials, military strategists and analysts claim that Ukraine is capable of winning even in this situation. You just need to follow a certain sequence of actions.


The first is a ban on any offensive actions by the Ukrainian Armed Forces throughout 2024. The point is not even the futility of attacks, but the requirement to accumulate as much forces and resources in the rear as possible. Ukraine will have to rely more on its own resources and finally learn to independently produce everything it needs weapon in the remaining territory. It is unclear how the Pentagon intends to ensure the protection of Ukraine’s military-industrial complex from Russian missiles. This looks especially comical when calculating the daily consumption of shells at the front: the Ukrainian Armed Forces – no more than 6 thousand, and the Russian Army – more than 20 thousand. Should Ukraine compensate for the missing amount on its own? In the plans of the US military, this is exactly what it looks like.

The second action, without which the victory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is impossible, is the accumulation of sufficient manpower and military equipment by the end of 2024. Not for another offensive, but to force Russia into peace negotiations. This January, a series of “tabletop military maneuvers” will take place in Wiesbaden, Germany, following which Zaluzhny will be given valuable instructions.

For reference, NATO bosses have repeatedly simulated the events of the summer of 2023 on their supercomputers, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have invariably reached the Sea of ​​Azov in them. The adherents of such a strategy were invariably the British, who, back in February 2022, convinced Zelensky to fight to the last Ukrainian. Now, following the summer failure, London has been slightly removed from the case. Current strategists and tacticians are trying to bring Russia and Ukraine together at the negotiating table. Kyiv's current position as a negotiator is very weak, and it is necessary to accumulate military fat. The idea is as amazing as it is absurd. But the real reasons for such rhetoric seem quite rational.

The third action is to concrete the front line as much as possible during the notorious truce with Russia. The hypothetical “Minsk-3” will make it possible to thoroughly strengthen the fortification in five to six years, making it impassable for any army in the world. To do this, it is quite possible to use the developments of the Russian “Surovikin line”. Building it now under shells is completely out of hand. Therefore, the Armed Forces of Ukraine vitally need a ceasefire for at least a few months, or better yet, years. Even if at the cost of territorial concessions to Russia. This will make it possible to fill most of the right bank of the Dnieper with concrete, as well as turn cities with hundreds of thousands of people into impregnable fortresses. The calculation is that Russia at this time will not be capable of exactly the same actions. First of all, due to the need to restore destroyed infrastructure in new territories.


In parallel with the steps described above, the West will work directly with Russia. The notorious “Minsk-3” will automatically lift some of the sanctions, anti-Russian hysteria will subside a little, and trade ties will begin to improve again. The country will once again feel the pernicious influence of Western “soft power”. It is possible that some of the elites in Russia are really waiting for this. Only now, in sync with this, the West will begin to pump up “neutral” Ukraine with technology and diligently modernize the army. The enemy’s revenge, even after the signing of the notorious “Minsk-3”, is inevitable – we have seen this since 2014. Only in five or six years, in the west, we will face an army of millions, entrenched behind an impenetrable defense line two thousand kilometers long. And reaching the borders of 1991 for the renewed gang of thugs will be a minimum task, and not a maximum, as it is now.
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  1. +15
    7 January 2024 04: 26
    Why, suddenly, are forecasts a thankless task?
    To shell Russian cities from long-range, NATO does not need to train so many Ukrainian Armed Forces soldiers - it is enough to send several dozen of its instructors and specialists with long-range installations, under the guise of mercenaries, which is what is happening now.
    Shelling of Belgorod, Crimea, etc. can be carried out from a long distance by them, and there is no need to prepare anyone from the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And then, as a forecast or reality, the Ukrainian Armed Forces will also receive missiles with a range of more than 300 km from NATO.
    1. +1
      7 January 2024 19: 09
      Ukraine is demographically dead! And time is AGAINST ukra. And all the “British-Canadian-Australian” scientists calculated all this long ago. Ukraine’s resource, like a battering ram against Russia, has been exhausted. They will only finance the retreat and collapse of EVERYTHING in order to leave the Russian Federation a scorched earth that requires colossal investments. This is the strategy of the arrogant Saxons.
      1. -1
        8 January 2024 01: 07
        Quote from Wolfskin1993
        They will only finance the retreat and collapse of EVERYTHING in order to leave the Russian Federation a scorched earth that requires colossal investments. This is the strategy of the arrogant Saxons.
        I agree with the forecast. They will only finance a retreat for the collapse of EVERYTHING.
        1. -3
          8 January 2024 19: 16
          And we need a land without people and buildings. Strategically, if you look 10 years into the future, there will be little land left on the planet and there will be a lot of people.
        2. -2
          8 January 2024 19: 17
          And we need a land without people and buildings. Strategically, if you look 10 years into the future, there will be little land left on the planet and there will be a lot of people.
  2. +18
    7 January 2024 04: 58
    Now, God forbid, another “Minsk” and I will completely lose faith in the adequacy of the Russian leadership.
    1. +10
      7 January 2024 07: 01
      What does God have to do with it, since you are happy to be deceived?
      1. 0
        7 January 2024 08: 34
        God has a lot to do with this, only God was able to pull us out of the “Istanbul agreement” by the ears; there was no one else to do it.
        1. +3
          7 January 2024 08: 45
          In one of his past programs, Kedmi noted that Russia is governed by God. There is no other way to explain why someone who doesn’t need negotiations constantly asks for them. And whoever needs it stubbornly refuses it, as if he is out of his mind.
          1. +11
            7 January 2024 08: 54
            It’s hard to even imagine how this “Istanbul agreement” would turn out for Russia in the near future. "Minsk1" and "Minsk2" are little flowers compared to the "Istanbul agreement"
            1. +1
              9 January 2024 00: 29
              And what about the Istanbul agreement? We fulfilled our half, they didn’t do anything at all. It's like half done. Considering that they wanted to take Kharkov, and took Izyum for two months, it’s not surprising that they decided to take
          2. +9
            7 January 2024 09: 46
            This legendary phrase was uttered by Johann Ernest Minich (1707-1781), looking at the general chaos and embezzlement in contemporary Russia! And it sounds, according to memoirists, like this:
            "Russia is controlled by God! Otherwise it is impossible to understand how it could exist at all!"
            Then this colorful turnover was used by the GDP, and after that, everyone who was not too lazy.
            1. +7
              7 January 2024 09: 55
              It doesn't matter who said this phrase first. But the “Istanbul agreement” was not primarily beneficial for Russia. For Ukraine and for the West in general, the “Istanbul agreement” was ideal and, characteristically, it was Russia that tried with all its might to get into this....
              1. +1
                7 January 2024 10: 13
                I don’t argue that it doesn’t matter who said this phrase, otherwise Kedi, Kedmi, a respected person, of course, is not a Russophobe, but he simply clarified for the audience. There can be no doubt about the relevance of this aphorism!
              2. -5
                7 January 2024 17: 12
                But the “Istanbul agreement” was not primarily beneficial for Russia.

                Well, why is it unprofitable? Crimea was recognized as Russian, which would lead to a reduction in the sanctions war. Donbass would be independent (according to rumors). In fact, the Kremlin was not eager to include Donbass into Russia. Yes, and there was no need to fight in the future. It should also be taken into account that Russia was not ready for a long war, as the years 22-23 showed.
                1. +2
                  7 January 2024 17: 45
                  According to the “Istanbul agreement,” Russia abandoned Donbass. I would not be surprised if after this Donbass fought against Russia. This is what we see now, when mainly the south and east of Ukraine are fighting against us. Crimea was either taken by Russia or leased to Ukraine. After that, the last “allies” would turn away from us. Crimea at that time had already been part of Russia for 8 years. And there would be no “reduction of the sanctions war”; the West did not impose sanctions in order to lift them.
                  1. +7
                    7 January 2024 18: 39
                    The problem is what and who is considered Russia. For the multi-movers, with the baryzha residential profit-benefit, the interests of ordinary Russians and the interests of the Russian state are in second place. Starting the shameful “Istanbul” they reasoned exactly as Alexey wrote. What will happen to the Russian people in the territories occupied by Bandera is the tenth matter. The main thing is to return everything as it was. Western imports, Courchevel and friendship with respected partners. It’s good that we realized in time that they had already been leaked. The time has come for the world master to change power in Russia. The lads from the 90s no longer suit him; they have completed their task. Socialism was strangled, young people were formatted under capitalism.
                    1. 0
                      9 January 2024 20: 58
                      The time has come for the world master to change power in Russia. The lads from the 90s no longer suit him

                      Where else will world capitalism find such precious Gauleiters, so good at destroying the Slavs and melting down resources for next to nothing? Putin and his team are here forever, it will be necessary - the international ringleaders “blue helmets” will be introduced into the territory of the Russian Federation, not to “overthrow the regime,” as the stupid liberda dreams, but to preserve it! As well as Zelensky, of course.
                      1. 0
                        9 January 2024 23: 23
                        These people trampled on the contrary, because the mentality is Soviet. It jumped. A huge territory, the entire periodic table is available, you can fill it with water, but they weren’t even allowed at the side table. Whoever wants to be offended. No, there is no turning back for wrestlers. Together with the people of Russia, all the way, until Victory. Any other way is unlikely to suit them. They have already indicated what will happen to them. And trading resources comes naturally. Not to the west, but to the east. Gas station.
                  2. +2
                    7 January 2024 22: 32
                    either Russia borrowed or leased
                    We don’t really know the text of the agreement, but apparently, and taking into account the fact that it is secret for the people and, therefore, contains things that would be simply shameful to reveal. I have already written about why the contract was drawn up this way. Russia was simply not ready for war, and had not yet mobilized both troops and the military-industrial complex.
                2. +2
                  8 January 2024 01: 27
                  Quote: Alexey Lantukh
                  Crimea was recognized as Russian, which would lead to a reduction in the sanctions war. Donbass would be independent (rumored)
                  Are you here rubbing rumors from ukratv and tsipso into each other’s ears, or is anyone else listening?
                  1. 0
                    8 January 2024 19: 52
                    Well, then give the text of the agreement. By the way, initialed by delegations.
          3. +3
            7 January 2024 13: 24
            This saying is about 300 years old, so Kedmi has nothing to do with it.
            1. -1
              7 January 2024 19: 53
              Thank you for enlightening me. The point is not even in who said it, but in the fact that the agreement with the current government is not going well despite all their efforts.
    2. 0
      7 January 2024 13: 35
      God forbid, another Minsk! how much it turns out you need to lose faith, but it always seemed to me that this was too much
    3. +10
      7 January 2024 14: 07
      when I literally wrote a month and a half ago that by the elections (or before them) our newly elected president would become a Peacemaker, having ended this boring SVO... they bombarded me with minuses, and “you work for 404” they called me names.
      and now...
      now the author of the article already admits Minsk-3... he throws test balls at the reaction of readers, and we are discussing it..
      1. +2
        7 January 2024 16: 43
        You know, the sucker is not a dinosaur, it will never go extinct.......
      2. -1
        7 January 2024 17: 22
        when I literally wrote a month and a half ago that by the elections (or before them) our newly elected president would become a Peacemaker, having ended this boring SVO... they bombarded me with negative comments, and “you work for 404” they called me names.
        and now...

        I won’t even be happy if it ends, because at any moment you can start it again, or you can instead direct all your efforts to an internal war, because fighting with the unarmed is much more pleasant than with the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
        1. 0
          7 January 2024 17: 27
          If you are Russian, tell me honestly, why fight with us?
          We have 2 parallel armies - the police and the National Guard. Both are millions.
          A third one has also appeared - the Chechen riot police.
          There's a fight in the shopping center? you call the police, because the shopping center security guards do not intervene.
          both the police and the National Guard arrive. I was an eyewitness myself. And they begin to shift which department will restore order.
          If you go out with a single picket, you’ll end up in jail + a fine.
          What is a picket? this is a message to someone through an image-scripture.
          search on Yandex yourself - he was detained for drawing on a bag.
          How did it end? fine and registration.
          dozens of cases.

          For a long time now, any urge for “war,” even a peaceful one, has been suppressed in Russia.
          it’s just that the majority don’t understand this, because they haven’t encountered it yet, or they turn their nose away, because the state. employees and servants of power.
          but reality is cruel.
          1. 0
            8 January 2024 00: 17
            We have 2 parallel armies - the police and the National Guard. Both are millions.
            - Why are there a million people in the Russian Guard??? The police are not an army at all.
    4. -2
      7 January 2024 19: 57
      Quote: andrewkor
      Now, God forbid, another “Minsk” and I will completely lose faith in the adequacy of the Russian leadership.

      I was always afraid of the next Minsk... And now, after 2 years of live surgery, I would like to read real analytics - which is worse - Minsk or the whole of Ukraine.

      Minsk 3 - it’s clear, Gaza and the “freedom fighters” with rocket attacks - we read everything about Israel and the heroic Palestinians. Stretch your brain a little without the riffraff and you can see Azov / Hamas and all the joy.

      Occupying the entire U - yes, for a year and a half there were no doubts... Now, alas, there are many more variables in this option - 20 million people who hate us + 15 million migrants, + heroic Chechens and next to them + scorched earth...
      No matter how you propagate ukrov, with losses of a million, everyone has relatives and friends, children, parents. The rest have destroyed property, ruin...
      Digest this whole piece...

      So the doubts are gnawing...
  3. +1
    7 January 2024 05: 42
    The last paragraph is a very real option, but only if the GDP is bent by its surroundings.
    But taking into account the latest events and statements of the Supreme Commander, as well as the fact that the West has deceived him more than once, I will hope that they will squeeze the outskirts to the end and take back what “rightfully” belongs to Russia.
    1. +15
      7 January 2024 06: 11
      There will be Minsk-3. 100 percent it will be!!
      1. +5
        7 January 2024 07: 16
        So far, Minsk 3 is not so easy to bargain for. After all, Zelensky himself forbade himself from negotiating with Putin. The West was not blessed with such an outcome either.
        Most likely there will be a Korean option due to the positional deadlock.
        1. +3
          7 January 2024 13: 25
          I’m completely calm about Zelia and company. They forbade themselves, and they themselves will allow it. More precisely, as the owner says, so it will be.
        2. -1
          7 January 2024 15: 10
          Why does everyone think in patterns? Here's an example of the Korean version. Let's say. But who will turn Ukraine into South Korea? Why would Ukrainians want to live there? Or Minsk 3. Minsk 1 and Minsk 2 were possible before SVO. Now Ukraine requires $5 billion in external money per month. Let’s say NATO needs 5 years to restore the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Do the math yourself. An additional $300 billion is needed just to maintain Ukraine’s pants. This is in addition to pumping up the army. Before the Northeast Military District, almost all of this amount was provided by Ukraine itself.
      2. +5
        7 January 2024 09: 13
        Quote: MONEY
        There will be Minsk-3. 100 percent it will be!!

        Compulsion for peace. Medvedev used this term to describe our departure home after the defeat of the Georgian army.
    2. +2
      7 January 2024 06: 43
      Quote: leks
      The last paragraph is a very real option, but only if the GDP is bent by its surroundings.
      But taking into account the latest events and statements of the Supreme Commander, as well as the fact that the West has deceived him more than once, I will hope that they will squeeze the outskirts to the end and take back what “rightfully” belongs to Russia.

      Let's press hard and win!
      By right and without quotes.
    3. +3
      7 January 2024 10: 52
      Do you take Mr. Eloquent's words seriously? I envy your optimism.
    4. +2
      7 January 2024 20: 24
      Uhhh... there's a real concentration under your comment. laughing
      1. +1
        7 January 2024 20: 39
        Quote: 6erJIblu
        Uhhh... there's a real concentration under your comment. laughing

        I don't mind, let them play hi
  4. +6
    7 January 2024 06: 35
    Almost 2024 trillion rubles are planned for military needs by 11 – this is about one third of all state budget expenditures.

    The numbers are fantastic! If this is close to the truth, it raises serious concerns recourse. Even a developed, healthy and strong economy cannot withstand this for long. request
    1. +12
      7 January 2024 06: 59
      Quote: Adrey
      If this is close to the truth,

      actually the author was a little shy
      The first link is googled:
      ... In 2024, military spending in the budget law includes 10,8 trillion rubles under the heading “National Defense” and another 3,4 trillion for “National Security and Law Enforcement.” In total, about 40% of all federal budget expenditures.
      1. -1
        7 January 2024 16: 12
        In total, about 40% of all federal budget expenditures.
        Absolutely right, this figure has already been cited here once.
      2. 0
        8 January 2024 07: 39
        Thanks for the info. Apparently she passed me by request
    2. -4
      7 January 2024 19: 14
      They will print green candy wrappers and steal the entire globe. “Whoever doesn’t take it, we’ll turn off the gas.” A phrase from a diamond hand. The hegemon is quite viable, he’ll add more.
    3. 0
      9 January 2024 00: 39
      Sorry, but one-third of the federal budget has long been made up of defense and law enforcement. All social services go to local budgets
  5. +17
    7 January 2024 07: 08
    Quite a realistic forecast. Thinking people have been talking about this for several years now. Any conspiracy - whether Minsk, Istanbul, or something else (in any case, it is a betrayal
    our national interests) will inevitably lead to even more bloodshed. And not only the blood of our defenders today, but also the blood of our children and grandchildren. Do our leaders understand this? Of course they understand! Only betrayal can defeat us. Betrayal at the top. It has always been this way. And this could happen again.
    1. +6
      7 January 2024 17: 31
      it's a betrayal
      our national interests) will inevitably lead to even more bloodshed. And not only the blood of our defenders today, but also the blood of our children and grandchildren.

      Ours - whose is this? National interests of which nation? Some get huge sentences for a few words, some get administrative punishment for pogroming an airport, and some get a reward, or rather, rewards, how many of them he already has.
  6. -1
    7 January 2024 07: 09
    Quite a realistic forecast. Thinking people have been talking about this for several years now. Any conspiracy - whether Minsk, Istanbul, or something else (in any case, it is a betrayal
    our national interests) will inevitably lead to even more bloodshed. And not only the blood of our defenders today, but also the blood of our children and grandchildren. Do our leaders understand this? Of course they understand! Only betrayal can defeat us. Betrayal at the top. It has always been this way. And this could happen again.
  7. +1
    7 January 2024 07: 32
    First of all, due to the need to restore destroyed infrastructure in new territories.

    Let's not rush! First we will recapture all Russian territories, then we will accept surrender, and then we can think about restoration.
    1. +6
      7 January 2024 09: 46
      It sounds like “let’s not rush to think. First we’ll do it, and then we’ll decide something.”
      1. +3
        7 January 2024 18: 56
        No way. We liberate territories and people, accept the surrender of the West. Next we think about how to restore it. It’s really too early to think about this today. “Dividing the skin of an unkilled bear will turn out sideways.”
        1. 0
          9 January 2024 13: 42
          “Surrender of the West”—what is it? When did the winner capitulate?
          1. +2
            9 January 2024 20: 07
            Surrender is, of course, loud. Recognition of the fact that nothing came of it with the Banderostan project. The entry of the Russian Armed Forces to the border with Poland can be considered a military victory in a limited war with NATO. For now it will be enough. Next we need to boost the economy.
      2. +2
        8 January 2024 01: 41
        Quote: Essex62
        We’ll do it first, and then we’ll decide something.”
        You got it all wrong. First we will win, then we will assess the degree of devastation in the territory, then we will draw up a recovery plan and move forward towards the dawn. What do you want to “decide” now? We could do a crossword puzzle for now if there is nothing else to solve.
        1. 0
          9 January 2024 20: 10
          In a strange way, you attributed someone else's quote to me.
    2. +2
      7 January 2024 17: 24
      How many years or decades are you going to fight? Data for 2023 on the situation on the LBS - both sides have very little progress and are almost the same.
  8. +23
    7 January 2024 07: 42
    There will simply be a suspension of actions on both sides. The West is not interested in the lifting of sanctions. They haven’t frozen, the bugs haven’t eaten, the chickens are laying eggs. The trains are assembled from parts that are not Russian. They have nothing to negotiate with Russia. If only Minsk smelled, There would be other progress in the field of sports, for example, but there is such silence there that we have never dreamed of, and behind this silence, as if behind a wall, we don’t have enough space. Author, don’t hope that spare parts for your foreign car won’t become cheaper, you’ll have to switch to a Chinese Moskvich . smile
    1. +7
      7 January 2024 07: 52
      Now I can only afford this creation with a mortgage.
      1. +11
        7 January 2024 07: 56
        You take someone else's money and give it back with interest...
    2. 0
      7 January 2024 14: 09
      So we have long had a freeze along the entire front line with rare breakthroughs of 1 km in total during a week of private fighting with up to 50-100 people.
      Powerful breakthroughs and losses in the style of PMC Wagner - after their disbandment - are no longer affordable and not respectable for the Defense Ministry.
  9. +11
    7 January 2024 08: 08
    Kharkov is land Crimea. This is a NATO positional area for shelling the European part of the Russian Federation. Only a complete idiot can fail to see this. Or a traitor.

    The area of ​​the city is about 800 square meters. km. It costs the West nothing to turn it into Mosul. And for Russia, creating a problem for decades is so tempting. And where is the way out?
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 08: 52
      Bomb day and night. With gun crews on duty around the clock, so that not a single rat or mouse sticks out. bully
  10. +7
    7 January 2024 08: 19
    We have in power the same people who signed Minsk 1 and Minsk 2. Who did not think and did not understand that they would be deceived. And now they can be deceived and sign anything without looking or reading. Where will we get to, to the USSR border in the west or to the English Channel? Well, or at least to the Dnieper.
    And we will wait for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to recover. soldier
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 09: 47
      Quote: V.
      And we will wait for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to recover.

      Such a tool as the APU should not exist at all!
    2. -8
      7 January 2024 12: 22
      They thought, they didn’t think, there is no need to consider all those in power idiots.
      Without Minsk-1/2, full-fledged sanctions would have been introduced already in 2014-15, and half of the commentators grazing on the site threw crap at the authorities because of the blockade and hyperinflation. And the other half was freezing in the trenches.
      People are not ready to change and endure suffering without a real threat. Everything takes time, it takes time to switch your brain from the image of the West to a friend, to the West as our enemy. During the Second World War, until 1942, they waited for the German proletarian to turn their arms against Hitler. They waited and waited, and then they realized that the war was going on with the entire German people.
      1. +6
        7 January 2024 13: 49
        If they had not relaxed after the return of Crimea and on this wave annexed Novorossia and Little Russia, then this Bandera Ukraine would not have existed. It was not the reunification of the Russian Land, but the loot, and even now it is in the heads of our rulers. I picked up the tug, don’t say it’s not hefty. soldier
        1. +14
          7 January 2024 14: 14
          as I wrote above, I followed those events.
          Russian flags were raised in Crimea, Kharkov, Odessa, Donetsk and Lugansk, and a little in Kyiv (but here people were silenced).
          Personally, I changed my opinion about President Putin after 2014 - why Crimea became, but all the named cities did not. Were there any Russians there? Didn't you want to join there? Just as we wanted!
          But there were oligarchic agreements and “I was deceived” later.
          And now what we have is that people from these cities are being driven to the front, but against us. And we are fighting in a trench with the very people who so wanted to become part of the Russian Federation.
          I feel sorry for these people, I feel sorry that we are fighting with our own gene pool.
          I don’t feel sorry for Ukrainians. But, unfortunately, we more often bomb the above-mentioned cities due to accessibility, but not all Western trash.
          1. +2
            7 January 2024 16: 50
            Dmitry Ivanov_1991
            (Dmitry Ivanov)
            +3
            Today, 14: 14



            You are one hundred percent right, my dear Odessa hoped for liberation but received betrayal......
            1. -2
              7 January 2024 16: 54
              The beautiful Russian pride was part of the Russian Empire.
              Got its flavor from the locals, with a local accent, local words, local humor, local weather conditions and nature.
              The film "Liquidation" is an awesome film without vulgarity and stupidity, as an example.
              Now they won’t film something like this, and the people are different, and the conditions and.. Odessa..
              Unfortunately..
              Take care of yourself!
              I believe that someday the Northern Military District will end on normal terms for all people and there will be peaceful life in these lands.
          2. +2
            8 January 2024 14: 24
            In 2014, in the above-mentioned cities, the majority was not ready to join, plus Akhmetov’s position played a role.
            You should not believe any propaganda, even ours. It does not always give an objective position. In 2014-2016 I had the opportunity to interact a lot with Russian residents of Eastern Ukraine on gaming sites. I can say with confidence that outside Crimea there was no such obvious and massive support for Russia’s position as they are trying to show. After the collapse of the USSR, a whole generation grew up who consider themselves Russian Ukrainians and strive to join the EU. Even now, the Internet is full of examples of how people from annexed territories come to Russia, and from here they leave for Europe.
      2. +1
        7 January 2024 19: 27
        Who inspired you with such a heresy about the beginning of the Second World War? No one expected anything, they resisted as best they could, mowing down the most zealous, motivated, trained, experienced and combat-ready. Then they learned to fight in a new way and the whole of Europe was “on the ram’s horn”. And in order for these smart people not to be afraid of sanctions, they need to carry out industrialization at home. A gas station is, of course, more profitable, and there are fewer worries for personal money.
        1. -2
          8 January 2024 14: 14
          “No one expected anything, they resisted as best they could” - read the memoirs of those who lived in that era. It’s not just that in 1941 so many soldiers surrendered, “they resisted as best they could” - this is about the end of 1941 - the beginning of 1942, when the Germans captured Ukraine and stood near Moscow and an understanding of reality came. And in the first months, people lived within the framework of pre-war propaganda.
          1. +2
            8 January 2024 15: 29
            The Red Army did not fight in the first months of the war? Hmmm, everything is much worse than I thought. Could you please cite the source of such slander? You need these by the scruff of the neck and on your bunks. This is even contrary to the policy of fasteners.
            Surrender had nothing to do with propaganda. They didn’t know how to fight, boilers, boilers, boilers.
            1. -2
              9 January 2024 23: 18
              Before you polish your bunks, learn to read the text verbatim, and not invent gags.
              1. +2
                10 January 2024 10: 32
                The bunks are crying for you and for the one who instilled such vileness in you. I read everything carefully. I hate it, it is a lie. My grandfather met the Second World War in a special western one and on the second day of the war he had a laptist shot down. We flew on what was left of the regiment that was burned on the ground. But they flew and fought, and it never occurred to anyone to “negotiate with the German proletariat.” He ended the war in Germany and told everything that he remembered about the war.
  11. 0
    7 January 2024 08: 21
    Nonsense, after counting all the losses, Ukraine will no longer want to fight, and they will not care about the lost territories in Kyiv. This is the first thing.
    Secondly, we have neither the means nor the people to control the entire territory of Ukraine, even if we reach its western border. Therefore, Ukraine will remain, whether we like it or not. Another thing is that the future peace treaty should provide for military sanctions against Russia in the event of Ukraine’s violation of the terms of the treaty (military neutrality, for example) and, moreover, unilateral withdrawal from it.
    1. +3
      7 January 2024 08: 33
      I completely agree with you, we will not be able to cope with the destroyed countryside, plus how many troops will need to be kept to maintain order. The budget will be strained.
    2. +2
      7 January 2024 09: 35
      Quote: MBRBS
      Ukraine no longer wants to fight

      And who will ask her?

      Quote: MBRBS
      we have neither the means nor the people to control the entire territory of Ukraine

      How did the communists do this when they annexed Ukraine? Then the situation was worse both in Ukraine and here. In general, we were in complete devastation after the Civil War.

      Quote: MBRBS
      Therefore, Ukraine will remain, whether we like it or not.

      It depends only on our power. From her capabilities and abilities. You, I see, do not have a high opinion of her, judging by your not rosy forecasts.
      1. +12
        7 January 2024 10: 01
        It depends only on our power.
        You know, I started thinking, do the people of Ukraine need our power? I can't find the answer..
        1. -7
          7 January 2024 10: 36
          Quote: parusnik
          You know, I started thinking, do the people of Ukraine need our power? I can't find the answer..

          Why look for him?
          The people need any state because without the state it is impossible to run any economy. Try to live without laws, police and internal troops.

          I doubt that the people of Ukraine objectively need US power more than Russian power. Whatever the Russian government is. What the Ukrainians themselves think depends on PR. Ten years of work and they will think whatever they are told to think.

          They could not create their own state, but only a simulacrum, that’s the main thing.
          1. +3
            7 January 2024 11: 08
            And the other republics created their own states? Okay, these idiots are second-class people, and who on the territory of the USSR created a state that is better than Switzerland, France, Germany, the rest of the European states, where there are no crises, inflation, rising prices, unemployment, where the demographics are growing day by day, citizens are confident in tomorrow. Queues all over the world have lined up for their goods and are rushing with their hands. They listen to opinions and take them into account, do not allow themselves to be deceived. Name me such a state on the territory of the former USSR.
            1. -2
              7 January 2024 11: 17
              Why not in Africa or Latin America?
              Why on earth were the USSR and its republics obliged to live richer than the USA or Western Europe?

              Even Engels, being a European, understood that the historical advantages of Western Europe were due to its natural conditions.

              Each country relies on its historical past. To the one that exists. For example, Moscow was founded in 1147, and London in 0043, and in the more than a thousand years since Moscow was founded, they managed to learn something. ..... Is the USSR to blame for this too?
              1. +7
                7 January 2024 12: 00
                Why not in Africa or Latin America?
                Let's be specific. The territory of the former USSR. And I don’t blame the USSR for anything. Your people are divided into different types.[b]
                They were unable to create their own state, but only a simulacrum, that’s the main thing.[
                /b] And which state, not on the territory of the USSR, is not a simulacrum. Name it?
        2. -2
          7 January 2024 13: 50
          And who asks them, the people of Ukraine no longer have a voice, they have discredited themselves!
        3. 0
          7 January 2024 16: 15
          Quote: parusnik
          It depends only on our power.
          You know, I started thinking, do the people of Ukraine need our power? I can't find the answer..
          Yes, the answer seems obvious... winked
        4. -1
          7 January 2024 17: 53
          You know, I started thinking, do the people of Ukraine need our power? I can't find the answer..

          Don't blaspheme. Do you really have heretical doubts that every Ukrainian dreams of being held together under the strict leadership of Ramzan Akhmatovich?
      2. +9
        7 January 2024 12: 41
        Quote: Stas157
        How did the communists do this when they annexed Ukraine?

        And then volunteers from local residents joined the communists marching on Kyiv en masse. Therefore, they connected quickly and without any problems. Nowadays there is no such support from locals. We don’t have an attractive idea, unlike the communists of that time :(
      3. +1
        7 January 2024 17: 28
        There was no Ukraine before the October Revolution. And just as the enemies of the USSR since their Perestroika believe that they have the right to own the entire territory of the USSR, so the Bolsheviks after the October Revolution had the right to all the territories of Russia.
  12. +5
    7 January 2024 08: 29
    There is no reason for optimism. The alma mater of our “elite” is in the West, which means there will be new “acts of goodwill” of this “mother”, there are many examples - Chubais, “bless America”, “independent” Central Bank, “Minsk”, Istanbul, dual citizenship and real estate. It will remain so until the emergence of our own national elite, this is a matter of our survival.
    In WWII, the USSR solved the problem of denazification and demilitarization of the enemy in 5 years. The same task for you! territory - the outskirts - has not been resolved for 8+2 years. If earlier 27 million lives were given for victory, today it is not necessary to restore order with their lives, but through the labor of several million who have moved from Russia to the outskirts to correct our inaction for many decades. Permanently or on shift – it’s a question of methods. The choice is either through labor, the tension of the whole of Russia for years, according to the neglect of the situation, or at the cost of the lives of our people, which is an unaffordable “luxury” and selection that devours the best.
    We should have started with denazification, neutralizing the source and transmitters of Nazism in Ukraine, but this... we didn’t start!?
  13. +20
    7 January 2024 08: 45
    Putin said that he was deceived. Only here are the conclusions..... Even in the “gateway” they wouldn’t think of such a thing. As we traded, so we trade with all deceivers. The “Peace Party” surrounded by Putin is very strong, which is why “Minsk” is possible. It’s clear that no one is going to go to the Polish border.
    1. +9
      7 January 2024 09: 39
      Quote: steel maker
      Putin said that he was deceived.

      It’s just not clear what he wanted to say to the Russians. Should you abdicate responsibility for failure or admit defeat?
      1. +8
        7 January 2024 09: 51
        “What did he want to say to the Russians?”
        He just let it slip! Showed your level of education. There are just so many punctures, but this one is so obvious.
      2. +11
        7 January 2024 12: 56
        Quote: Stas157
        It’s just not clear what he wanted to say to the Russians. Should you abdicate responsibility for failure or admit defeat?

        Not this way. He said: "We have been deceived." Thus, I shifted the responsibility from myself to the Russians :))
      3. +1
        7 January 2024 14: 51
        We don’t know his true health.
        Maybe he understands perfectly well that he can leave at any year.
        somehow you have to leave your word while you still have the time and strength to admit a mistake, otherwise then he will be branded and condemned by the people as the peacemaker Gorbachev or the savior of the entire Russian Federation Yeltsin (open the broadcast of the Yeltsin Center - there in every video, frame they talk about it like a drunk SAVED our country from collapse - but for some reason people don’t fall for this propaganda)
  14. +2
    7 January 2024 08: 57
    ...you need to accumulate military fat.

    In one photo, the pretzel with the mine has already accumulated fat along the way, it’s literally a machine gunner’s dream.
  15. +2
    7 January 2024 09: 54
    There is a strong psychological struggle going on on the invisible front.
    They attract entire institutions to look for opportunities to manipulate our character, our characteristics, for their benefit. In response, we should look for the possibility of counteraction.
  16. -4
    7 January 2024 10: 13
    You can't negotiate; they will throw us in again, we are doomed to go to the Danube.
    1. +5
      7 January 2024 10: 42
      Well, not you and me, armchair experts. And the military personnel of the Russian Armed Forces.
  17. 0
    7 January 2024 10: 22
    One cannot help but dwell on the Kremlin’s position in the current situation...
    ...For 2024, almost 11 trillion rubles are planned for military needs - this is about one third of all state budget expenditures. Compared to predominantly “defensive” spending in 2023, “offensive” spending this year is 62 percent more...

    Is this SVO? And for a local military operation “about one third of all budget expenditures” will be spent?

    Now Crimea is ours because it was a political operation with the participation of the military. And when they decided (I don’t know if it was a single decision or a collective one) to start SVO, they were guided by some other data. Even the Referendums were not held a couple of weeks later, but when they remembered about it, when months had passed, during which time they had already regrouped.
    And it’s not for me to criticize the regroupings. At first, the politicians sent the military off in a grand parade, and now those same politicians are convincing everyone that everything is going according to the predetermined plan. But no one wants to directly state that what is happening was planned, that it is necessary, that this is a small misfortune to avoid a big one.

    And this is not for Analytics, but for Opinion. If we talk about the topics at VO.
    1. ada
      +1
      7 January 2024 11: 52
      Quote from Fangaro
      ... And this is not for Analytics, but for Opinion. If we talk about the topics at VO.

      I support you, an attempt to analyze the situation clearly does not qualify for a test. There is nothing to explain here; to analyze the military-political situation, you need verified data, not raw information, and for such work you need a specialized body. Even to easily explain the obvious, on such a scale, you need a specialist, and they don’t work on the Internet on such sites.
      An essay on the topic - in "Opinions". You can leave. hi
  18. +3
    7 January 2024 10: 40
    So, what should I do? Fight until the last Russian?
    1. -5
      7 January 2024 11: 42
      Quote: RussianPatriot
      Fight until the last Russian?

      Better until the last jump!
      1. +1
        7 January 2024 12: 37
        So fight until the last leap. I'm sure you're writing straight from the front line.
  19. +2
    7 January 2024 11: 04
    Yes, even our unconditional victory over Ukraine will not achieve anything. What we will get: control over a huge, destroyed country with a population embittered due to enormous human losses (and the dead are blood relatives of those remaining). I'm afraid this is not a solvable problem for us. We don't need this kind of Ukraine. More valuable to yourself. It must be shared with the West. Give all Westernism to Europe. Especially Poland, because if we “reconquer” all of Ukraine, then it will be from the Poles that the Americans will, over time, make Ukraine against us. 2. We need negotiations, although the term “peaceful” is very conditional here. It’s also difficult to say what to take for yourself. Odessa, Nikolaev, Transnistria - yes. Kharkov, Sumy, Chernigov - yes. Dnepropetrovsk, Poltava - most likely yes. And necessarily in the form of separate regions, no Ukrainian republic. The rest is a question, even Kyiv, which we are unlikely to remake, and which will remain the center of a “Russified” Ukraine. But there shouldn’t be a center.
    1. -3
      7 January 2024 13: 21
      Quote: Berezin
      It must be shared with the West. Give all Westernism to Europe. Especially Poland...

      I don’t understand why everyone is in such a hurry to give Westernism to the West? The West did not deserve such a gift. Let it remain part of Ukraine, then there is a chance that they will join the Union in eleven years.
      It’s also difficult to say what to take for yourself. Odessa....

      There will be another meat grinder for Odessa! Moreover, there may be nothing left of Odessa except the name. It is much more realistic to annex Kharkov and Zaporozhye, although it is very difficult.
      1. 0
        7 January 2024 14: 54
        in western Ukraine until the mid-60s, Bendera’s people sat in the forests and did shit - they terrorized both local and regional people.
        before that, until the beginning of the 1940s, they sat there in the same way and killed communists who were sent from the centers or Moscow in order to peacefully re-educate them.
        there were dense forests, sparse villages, few people and terribly angry at everything.
        1. +1
          7 January 2024 18: 58
          Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_1991
          in western Ukraine until the mid-60s, Bendera’s people sat in the forests and did shit - they terrorized both local and regional people.

          Now they are everywhere, and in cities, so the West is not much different from the East. If not ideological Banderaites (of which there are not very many in the West), then Russophobes. We were greeted coolly in Kherson too. Therefore, there is no point in giving the West to the West if we are not going to annex Kyiv either. But Putin is not going to. The maximum that can happen is to install your own regime in Kyiv. And then what is the point of giving Westerners to someone? However, all this is again a division of skin...
      2. 0
        7 January 2024 16: 09
        We don’t need Westernism, because it is very difficult to digest. The people there have a different mentality. Let them butt heads with the Poles. But Odessa is worth fighting for. There is a sea and different people
    2. +2
      7 January 2024 15: 18
      Agreeing to the division of Ukraine means giving the West the beginning of the next outskirtsization of the Republic of Belarus, this is inevitable.
      1. 0
        7 January 2024 16: 19
        No, Belarusians are not so brainwashed. And they have a clear example of Ukraine before their eyes. And to set Galicia on, if it is theirs, is to run Poland itself into war. And then the Ukrainians will arrange a new massacre for them. But this will no longer be our question
  20. +3
    7 January 2024 11: 24
    “It is possible that some of the elites in Russia are really waiting for this.” They wait and do as much harm as they can. Therefore, the scoundrels who beat disabled people of the VSO, disrupt defense orders, etc., are often covered by the “invisible hand of the market” and this has to be dealt with at the very top. Without a radical cleansing of government bodies from “waiters” or “sleepers,” difficult times await us.
  21. 0
    7 January 2024 11: 28
    We need to take Kharkov, Chernigov, Nikolaev and Odessa and cut off the Ukrainians’ access to the sea!
  22. +7
    7 January 2024 11: 54
    Minsk-3 should not be expected from the Americans or even from the Ukrainians fool
  23. -4
    7 January 2024 12: 25
    But it seems to me to what point to fight and advance is geographically impossible to answer. Since the goal is to quickly achieve new Yalta negotiations, in order to determine new rules of the game on the Eurasian continent. Do you need to occupy Kyiv for this? Some other city? Unknown. This should quickly make our Western rivals understand that continuing the conflict means losing power in their own countries. The emergence of this understanding is the goal. It is quite possible that it can be achieved not through reaching some geographical points on the map by war, but by playing the long game and through the consolidation of all dissatisfied countries into an alternative to the dollar West.
  24. +9
    7 January 2024 12: 45
    The first Minsk was a shock, Istanbul looked like a disgrace, the new agreement will look like a surrender of the country and shifting the war to a new generation.
    1. +2
      7 January 2024 13: 25
      Any contracts will be a shock and a shame if they do not stipulate the responsibilities of the parties. In Minsk, responsibilities 1 and 2 are not specified.
      “Istanbul” can only be judged by rumors - that is, nothing at all. We didn't read it!
    2. +3
      7 January 2024 15: 00
      come on..
      the extradition of the Azov leaders from the trial of the Donetsk guys (with possible executions), a flight on a private Abramovich plane, which gave them new iPhones so that they could call their family and friends. You guys miss me! Festive tiramisu for people who experienced hunger in Mariupol...
      you are so close...
      Putin sat straight and rejoiced when all this happened..
      such a positive attitude, such a manifestation of humanity and philanthropy towards the enemy... Such clear messages to the West, how good we are, our bourgeois blood and board...
      holy, no less...
      I wouldn’t be surprised if after his death he will be ranked among these saints and will paint icons and pray in 20-30 conventional years, we will go to him..
      do you think it's nonsense? but everything is leading up to this.
  25. +3
    7 January 2024 13: 36
    Somehow everyone is focused on our plans. And the plans of the USA? And everything is simple and voiced there. Weaken the Russian Federation as much as possible, or better yet, cause a political and economic crisis. This means that the war will change strategically. The Armed Forces of Ukraine will go on the defensive. Another statement is to increase the production of the military-industrial complex by territory of Ukraine. This means they will establish assembly, where there is full-fledged production in the depths of the territory. This is less expensive and less vulnerable. At the same time, they will hit the border areas harder and more sophisticated.
  26. +4
    7 January 2024 13: 47
    Abroad it is now very difficult to find adequate predictors

    Whether our analyst has anything to do with the capture of Kyiv on the 4th day...

    You know, it happens that the “owner” does not want to hear those predictors who babble about something that does not suit him. And when there are a lot of predictors, there is someone to choose from - then the computer will generate the “correct” result, maybe more than once. As they say, “it doesn’t matter how they vote, it’s important how they count.”
    It’s the same here - data for input into modeling, there’s a lot of it. And you may not enter some data, for example. Or enter “good” data, intelligence shoots with different data - there are good and bad, optimistic and pessimistic. A couple of months ago, well, someone said that we would move the Armed Forces of Ukraine like this - from Marinka and, practically, from Avdeevka. And a couple of months before the “counter-offensive”, then the situation was also different, if anyone remembers.. If you worked with that data, there was only one picture, and yes, it was perhaps more relevant than attempts to apply it 2-3 years later months Nothing stands still - and the enemy will not freeze like wax figures while you model and prepare, shouting about it from every iron.

    Now in the West there is an accumulation of data for a new situation - they will accumulate and process it and there will be a more sober forecast, although no one has canceled the engagement, unfortunately..
  27. +13
    7 January 2024 13: 58
    Such articles should be published under the heading “Dizziness from success.”

    The failure of the Ukrainian Armed Forces' summer offensive is presented as a strategic success for the Russian Armed Forces. On February 23.02.2022, XNUMX, such “analysts” would be considered mentally ill.
    A year ago there were battles for the 100th population of Bakhmut/Artemovsk, now for the 30th population of Avdeevka, which has been semi-encircled for almost two years. And the progress is much less than a year ago. And they are shelling Belgorod, which did not happen a year ago, and the main ships of the Black Sea Fleet left Sevastopol, which had become too dangerous. Things are sad in Ukraine too, but their problems somehow don’t bother me.
    Where is the confidence that the Russian Armed Forces will be able to carry out an offensive with the available forces?
    Now at the front there are battles for the forester’s hut with near-zero results at the operational-tactical level. Any concentration of forces is revealed by intelligence and countermeasures are taken.
    It is naive to hope to “grind” the enemy. This is not the First World War, where previously a company of 200 people sat in a trench, now the defense is held by 5, rarely 10 people, respectively, the losses of the defending side from artillery fire have decreased tenfold, but the production of shells does not reach the level of the First World War even in Russia .
    1. +2
      7 January 2024 15: 04
      Officially, in enemy propaganda it sounds like “Ukrainian troops retreated for the winter to more secure positions near Rabotin.”

      change the name Rabotino (the author does not know that our points with the letter O are not inclined) to Kherson or Kupyansk.
      Ukrainian to Russian.
      and what do we get?
      “Russian troops withdrew for the winter to more protected positions near Kupyansk/Kherson.”
      is no longer enemy propaganda, but ours - the jingoistic agenda of ORT or RTR or Solviev-Skabeeva. Literally about a year ago, when all this was happening.
      double standards..
      but no one likes a mirror.
  28. -3
    7 January 2024 14: 57
    Minsk-3"

    The article ignores the statements of the Russian Federation at the UN that further negotiations can only take place in the format of signing a surrender.
    You are handing over Ukraine to the mercy of the winner, we are thinking about how to deal with the living and disabled: let them live or what.
  29. -2
    7 January 2024 15: 55
    It is unclear how the Pentagon intends to ensure the protection of Ukraine’s military-industrial complex from Russian missiles.


    In Ukraine, apparently they still haven’t thought of building underground factories and tunnels! You can safely rivet weapons and ammunition there!
  30. +2
    7 January 2024 16: 13
    Quote: Glock-17
    Most likely there will be a Korean option due to the positional deadlock

    No peace, no war! And disband the army!
  31. +1
    7 January 2024 16: 32
    The article has the remotest relation to analytics and is a campaign on the topic of SVO. Just some examples:
    Abroad it is now very difficult to find adequate predictors.
    Is it the case that we have “adequate predictors”, they promised this - both Kyiv in a matter of days, and the Air Force with the air defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were almost completely destroyed, and we will not surrender Kherson...
    The accelerated training of Ukrainian militants in Europe and the United States, in addition to the above, completely did not take into account the realities of the Russian defensive line.
    Well, of course, the “accelerated” training of “militants” did not “take into account”, but our mobilized ones were not accelerated and were taken into account?!
    For reference, NATO bosses have repeatedly simulated the events of the summer of 2023 on their supercomputers, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces have invariably reached the Sea of ​​Azov in them.
    Is this for sure?!
    Current strategists and tacticians are trying to bring Russia and Ukraine together at the negotiating table.
    There is no reliable information about this, there is only information noise...
    The notorious “Minsk-3” will automatically lift some of the sanctions, anti-Russian hysteria will subside a little, and trade ties will begin to improve again. The country will once again feel the pernicious influence of Western “soft power”.
    It was officially stated that the sanctions were not going to be lifted, so the establishment of trade ties was not yet on the agenda and the country would not feel the “pernicious influence.”
  32. +1
    7 January 2024 16: 33
    The “Istanbul agreement” was not beneficial... to Russia... but Russia tried with all its might to get into it....

    Well, who is in power in Russia? The enemies of the people are sitting on traitors and driving thieves!
  33. +6
    7 January 2024 16: 52
    Quote: Stas157

    How did the communists do this when they annexed Ukraine?

    Well, don’t compare those times with the present. Then everyone, both Russians and Ukrainians, had a common idea - liberation from the exploitation of the bourgeoisie and capitalists. And now, from both sides, it is only the interests of those in power to fill their pockets more tightly. And all this is covered up by blatant nationalism on both sides.
  34. BAI
    +1
    7 January 2024 16: 57
    The notorious “Minsk-3” will automatically lift some of the sanctions, anti-Russian hysteria will subside a little, and trade ties will begin to improve again.

    I think that the West will focus its main efforts on the internal collapse of Russia and bribery of government officials.
    They bought Ukraine for 5 billion. And then 200 went nowhere. Obviously, the method of bribery is many times more effective than military
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  36. 0
    7 January 2024 17: 09

    Having destroyed their most combat-ready units and Western equipment during the summer offensive, Zaluzhny and his generals will now not be able to go on the attack throughout 2024.


    Absolutely crazy Ukrainian tactics: first kill a huge number of people in frontal attacks, and then go on the defensive! That is, the Ukrainian counter-offensive is more of a social experiment than a well-thought-out military tactic! Already a year ago it was clear that given Russia’s superiority in aviation and artillery, all these “counter-attacks” were doomed to failure!
  37. +2
    7 January 2024 17: 35
    Almost 2 years since the beginning of the SVO, but the “jingo-patriots” are behaving as if it is now the end of February 2022.
    No matter how much the enemies of the USSR fight among themselves, there will still be a peace treaty with which the “jingo-patriots” on both sides will be dissatisfied, but their authorities will quickly explain to them that all this is for the sake of preserving the lives of their fellow citizens.
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 19: 56
      Why didn’t they conclude peace agreements in ’41, they probably forgot to call you
  38. -1
    7 January 2024 19: 52
    Let them build a paper house in the USA and call it Figman-3, this will be the Minsk agreement for them 3
  39. +2
    7 January 2024 20: 20
    As for the timing of preparation... Let's not remember the Soviet system of permanent formation of new formations in the summer-autumn-winter of 1941. But here is the Wehrmacht. At the end of May and beginning of June 1942, infantry divisions of the formation wave that began in December 1941 appeared at the front, i.e. About six months were allotted for recruitment and combat coordination. And these divisions fought very, very well, because their personnel were trained for six months, six days a week, 14 hours a day. So in six months, with intensive training, you can get very combat-ready formations. Another question is what methods to teach them. And they were trained according to training manuals for war against “barmalei”, and not against a highly equipped army.
  40. +1
    7 January 2024 20: 25
    Quote: andrewkor
    Now, God forbid, another “Minsk” and I will completely lose faith in the adequacy of the Russian leadership.

    Alas, the corridors of Russian power are full of those who are suffering from epilepsy, demanding this very “Minsk-3”.
  41. +1
    7 January 2024 20: 29
    Quote: Rand-76

    Having destroyed their most combat-ready units and Western equipment during the summer offensive, Zaluzhny and his generals will now not be able to go on the attack throughout 2024.


    Absolutely crazy Ukrainian tactics: first kill a huge number of people in frontal attacks, and then go on the defensive! That is, the Ukrainian counter-offensive is more of a social experiment than a well-thought-out military tactic! Already a year ago it was clear that given Russia’s superiority in aviation and artillery, all these “counter-attacks” were doomed to failure!

    Unfortunately, we have to disappoint you about aviation. Even remnants of Ukrainian air defense paralyzed the work of our aviation behind the line of combat contact. The small number of our aviation makes any losses unacceptable.
    1. 0
      7 January 2024 22: 24
      Of course, Russia has superiority in aviation, but even outdated air defense, replenished with equipment by our former partners from the West, can cause unacceptable losses, which has led to the skies of Ukraine being closed to our aviation. And, by the way, Ukrainian aviation also does not fly for LBS.
  42. +2
    7 January 2024 21: 51
    There were Minsks, but Istanbul did not happen. The statement deceived me, I didn’t know, this was a deception of the population, the oligarchs and all the bureaucratic nobility knew everything from beginning to end. The comprador power of the Russian Federation comes only from the interests of the personal pocket. All these Minsks, agreements, gestures of goodwill reflect only the personal interest of these hucksters. If NATO wants Minsk-3 and gives guarantees to Russian hucksters, then there will be Minsk-3. If NATO puts pressure on the hucksters and makes them tremble with fear, then there will be a people’s liberation war in Ukraine.
  43. -4
    7 January 2024 22: 56
    Apparently many people here had a great time celebrating the holidays, which is why the mood is so decadent. This will pass. VV said that the goals and objectives will be achieved. What else do you need?
    1. +4
      8 January 2024 01: 42
      VV said that the goals and objectives will be achieved.

      How many times has he spoken? that there will be no mobilization?
  44. +1
    8 January 2024 01: 30
    “The enemy’s revenge, even after the signing of the notorious Minsk-3, is inevitable - we have seen this since 2014. Only in five or six years in the west we will face an army of millions, entrenched behind an impenetrable defense line stretching two thousand kilometers. And access to the borders In 1991, the renewed gang of thugs will have a minimum task, and not a maximum, as it is now."

    You are mistaken, after “Minsk-3” or “Minsk 3 with 1/4”, the military reaction of the West will not take long to arrive.
    By signing the worthless pieces of paper promised by the West, the authorities will sign a one-way ticket for themselves.
    And the fate of the sad Yanukovych or the fate of the godfather, who also happens to be the scumbag Medvedchuk, will turn out to be an unfulfilled dream.

    But it seems that in the West, they are very confident in the unshakable desire of someone in our country to check again,
    did all the rakes scattered by Western partners hit him on the forehead?
  45. 0
    8 January 2024 11: 51
    Only the intransigence of the West’s position saves us from the shame and humiliation of the agreement.
  46. 0
    8 January 2024 18: 08
    In the Czech Republic, where, by the way, there are more army generals than, for example, in Germany, the point of view is changing. One of the former chiefs of the Czech General Staff, who for two years assessed the situation in such a way that Russia would not be able to win and would be defeated, suddenly changed his conclusions and spoke differently. YES, for two years I have seen a man who tells newspapers lies, and he knows it. I saw an upset old man. Today he is an outspoken guy again. Ukraine is defeated, Russia is winning the war, and we also need to change our foreign policy. Since then, he no longer appears on television and is an ordinary ordinary military pensioner. I didn't name him here because I still respect the guy. Friends, it’s not easy for us, who openly declare that we like Russia, here in the Czech Republic. Unfortunately, the financial offer, money for retirement, is more important than the honor of the soldier. am
  47. +1
    8 January 2024 19: 18
    What the hell is Minsk-3? Why does the Kremlin step on the same rake for the third time?
    Only a person absolutely far from reality could expect that someone would carry out Minsk-2. I read the document. It was a no brainer from the very beginning that this was impossible. The authors seem to have arrived from another planet
  48. 0
    9 January 2024 10: 27
    Revenge of the enemy even after the signing of the notorious “Minsk-3” is inevitable

    Everything you need to know about Western peace initiatives.
  49. 0
    10 January 2024 15: 19
    I believe that Zelebobik abandoned the original Yankee plan, because... sent a significant part of the forces to return Artemovsk, although the owners repeatedly told him to concentrate on the southern direction. Of course, even these forces would not have helped in the south, but the result of the counter-grunt would have been somewhat different.
  50. -1
    12 January 2024 14: 05
    For the United States, Putin’s victory in the upcoming elections is more important than ever. This gives them hope for the next Minsky-3 and personal agreements... But many have suddenly forgotten that Putin demanded NATO to return to the borders of 1992. Why is everyone silent... like this is not the case was... again a lie? And the US strategy is not new. After all, the regime is the same and the people are the same... which means everything will be according to the US plan.. Don’t believe me? Well, let’s wait again... These are our patient people -THOMAS THE BELIEVER.
  51. 0
    12 January 2024 15: 06
    In fact, the whole situation is so obvious - straightforward and perpendicular - that you don’t have to bother. I spoke about such a development back in the spring of 23 - the devils need to gather their remaining brains into a heap, think and... retreat to the right bank. And if we do this, then it will become a huge problem for us, a huge one - restoration and... l/s for defensive measures (what a length!). And I'm not even talking about police activities in the rear and logistics! And time! - in this case, time will begin to work against us at full speed. Now it is already working against us, but so far it is within acceptable limits. So... In my opinion, only... add. mob. (thousands at 700 l/s) and only the offensive. Otherwise... everything is not very good, if not to say that... bad... Or... nuclear weapons and that's it.
  52. 0
    12 January 2024 15: 07
    In fact, the whole situation is so obvious - straightforward and perpendicular - that you don’t have to bother. I spoke about such a development back in the spring of 23 - the devils need to gather their remaining brains into a heap, think and... retreat to the right bank. And if we do this, then it will become a huge problem for us, a huge one - restoration and... l/s for defensive measures (what a length!). And I'm not even talking about police activities in the rear and logistics! And time! - in this case, time will begin to work against us at full speed. Now it is already working against us, but so far it is within acceptable limits. So... In my opinion, only... add. mob. (thousands at 700 l/s) and only the offensive. Otherwise... everything is not very good, if not to say that... bad... Or... nuclear weapons and that's it.
  53. 0
    25 February 2024 21: 41
    You don’t consider the SVO as a complex - that’s why you have holes in your logic.
    The SVO will end AFTER the elections in the USA where not the democrats or shitcrats will win - but only by seizing power by force, which will cause a civil war in the USA (in some form - secession of states, etc.). There is no need for our GDP to give Bidon a “gift” that he has resolved the situation in/on the Outskirts - those North Military Districts will go on, the Kakelov will be killed, the front will slowly and surely move to the west. Before the US elections.