Thoughts about the future: will Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans go to work in Russia?

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Thoughts about the future: will Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans go to work in Russia?


Within the framework of the concept of controlled chaos. Preamble to the topic


The other day I read an article by a certain G. Altman about a possible reduction in military aid to Ukraine; they say,



The White House says it only has enough money left for one more relief package.

Of course, such revelations should not be taken seriously, because the flow of arms to the Kiev regime will not dry up until the Black Sea region is brought under control on our part and, accordingly, a corridor is created in the direction of Transnistria, the strategically important Odessa and Nikolaev are taken, along with return of Kherson.

For a landlocked enemy, with the loss of prospects for even the hypothetical possibility of creating a threat to Crimea, will automatically lose interest for the United States, and Russia will reunite with its integral part, if we follow the terminology of H. J. Mackinder, Heartland.

No, supplies will not stop completely, since the Americans are not going to curtail the concept of controlled chaos along the perimeter of our borders, once formulated by S. Mann, indulging in the great power howls of Bucharest and Warsaw tobaccos, but the volume and quality of supplied weapons will undoubtedly be significantly reduced.

Another thing is that in order to solve the problem of cutting off the enemy from the Black Sea region, a large-scale combined arms operation is required, and the big question is whether it is possible to carry it out at the present stage without the involvement of an army staffed with conscripts, additional mobilization and an increase in production volumes of military products necessary for the front.

However, we will leave these questions to professional General Staff officers. I must admit, I’m worried about something else: sooner or later the fighting will end, at least in its active phase, and Ukraine, in the event of a military defeat - and it seems inevitable - will lose the fundamental interest for the United States and its satellites to invest in They certainly will not restore its stagnant, dilapidated economy.

And now some statistics: today, according to Zelensky, the number of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is 600 thousand people. Moreover, in 1991, 800 thousand soldiers and officers served in the Ukrainian Armed Forces; in 2014, the number of the army decreased to 168 thousand. But then, in times of war, it began to rise again.

Where should a Ukrainian Armed Forces veteran go?


Accordingly, after the end of hostilities, a large percentage of young and not so young people who do not have any other specialty other than the ability to handle weapons, and those who have, albeit initial, but still some kind of tactical training, having been demobilized from the Armed Forces of Ukraine (or after their collapse), will begin to return home.

Yes, some of them will probably join the ranks of foreign PMCs and other paramilitary semi-legal and legal structures, say, security forces, some will go to serve in the police and intelligence services, some will return to peaceful life, and some, on the contrary, will join criminal groups. For after the arrest of the same Kolomoisky, a redistribution of property in Ukraine in the style of the nineties is quite possible.

In general, what is happening in the country that lost the war, the nature of the comprehensive crisis affecting it, is evidenced by story The Weimar Republic, in the 1920s overrun by declasse elements, and where, long before the famous one thrown by Mick Jagger (now a venerable champion of a healthy lifestyle): "Sex, drugs and rock and roll", these words have become a motto and a way of life for many.

Yes, some of the Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans will still go to work abroad. Although it is not rubber, and all the Ukrainians who could, I think, have already settled there at the very least: since 2022, about 7 million people have left the country - a figure, you see, is considerable and, moreover, official, but how many live there unofficially is difficult to say.

They are unlikely to expect another wave, albeit a limited one, especially considering the increase in crime abroad, which the security forces of a number of Western countries accuse the Ukrainians of, accusing them of protecting prostitution and black surgeons. And they just didn’t have enough former Wehrmacht officers there.

Accordingly, a significant percentage of less passionate veterans will join the state employment service (labour exchange), where they will be offered little, at least in terms of decent pay and qualified labor, for which, I note again, they are far from ready for anything. And there’s really nowhere to work. Zelensky’s team does not seek to prevent the economy of the country entrusted to it from being reset.

Today the number of unemployed in Ukraine is about 5 million people. And that's just the registered ones.

And now the main thing: where else can young and not so young people demobilized from the Armed Forces of Ukraine find employment, besides the above options?

The answer, you see, is obvious. Russia. For where else but to us, by hook or by crook, can the mentioned citizens of the neighboring state go? Yes, it’s clear that they will hide both their past and their attitude towards yesterday’s opponents – and from an existential point of view, perhaps not yesterday’s ones either.

Although how successful this will be for the mass of people with an unstable and war-damaged psyche is a big question. Here, our own people don’t always cope. Let us recall the sensational story that shocked the Saratov region, when a fighter who had fought in Syria and Ukraine, who had arrived on leave, taught a lesson in courage at school in the morning, and in the evening he brutally and without any reason beat up his neighbors.

Yes, this case became known to the media, and law enforcement agencies took up the matter, but how many similar stories were not covered, and the crime went unpunished? Hopefully a little, of course.

In a word, here our veterans need readaptation (that is, the help of qualified psychologists as part of their return to civilian life).

In addition, let's not gloss over the problem: our society itself still must learn to live side by side with veterans. And here, too, not all is well: the same story with a hotel located near Rostov-on-Don, the administrator of which refused to accommodate fighters who simply had nowhere to stay for the night. Again, the case became public knowledge. How many did not become? And the argumentation of the mentioned administrator should not be dismissed with disdain.

And now, against the background of the above, let’s imagine veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine going to work in Russia, and it’s good - if to earn money, and not to conduct criminal activities.

And about the migrant problem


I would not like to exaggerate, but, logically speaking, it is difficult to deny the possibility of superimposing the above problem on another painful one for society - the migrant problem. Agree: complex phenomena of social life should be considered within the framework of their interrelations.

Actually, the same applies to politics: it was not in vain that I started with the seemingly abstract topic of supplying Ukraine with NATO weapons, the concept of controlled chaos and planning military operations. Because the longer the hostilities last, the more deserters, lightly wounded veterans who do not want to return to duty and consider Russia as a refuge, will appear on the part of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

I think their flow into our country will only increase against the backdrop of the recent statement by the head of the Ukrainian Defense Ministry, Umerov, according to which there are no plans to demobilize citizens conscripted into the Armed Forces of Ukraine until the end of hostilities.

And where are the guarantees that the condottieri of the criminal business will not try to take advantage of the Central Asian element flooding Russia, including for political purposes? Is it in vain that the latest fight clubs are being created? The same Kyrgyz people, for example.

And both A.I. Bastrykin and Patriarch Kirill directly speak about the fact that migrants are becoming a significant factor in social tension. The statistics on the growth of crimes committed by uninvited guests, presented by the head of the Investigative Committee, is posted in open sources and is not a secret to anyone.

Recently, the media have been publishing information about the deprivation of Russian citizenship for illegal actions, but it seems that this is not sobering for everyone, as evidenced by the recent attack by a crowd of migrants on police officers in the area of ​​​​the capital's market "Gardener".

In general, explosive material, and even within the framework of the property and social differentiation of Russian society, can be used by destructive forces not only for purely criminal purposes, but also, in the event of a weakening of statehood, for political ones. And not to take this into account would be very naive. Let’s say, I won’t be surprised if it turns out in the foreseeable future that yesterday’s Wesseushniks and migrants are training in the same fight clubs.

Traditional: what to do?



Personally, I am pessimistic. Let’s say, I don’t really understand why, with regard to the same migrant problem, the authorities do not follow the path of the Arabian monarchies, where, if I’m not mistaken, representatives of the countries of Southeast Asia come to work, but without the right to obtain citizenship. How many of our newly-minted fellow citizens speak even passable Russian? The question is rhetorical.

But still, contrary to the obvious, I hope that the authorities predict the possibility of an influx of yesterday’s Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans into Russia after the end of hostilities and are planning appropriate measures either to counter this, or are ready to strictly control this process, as well as, I expect, will tighten their work with diasporas .
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  1. -10
    2 January 2024 04: 43
    “Will veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go to work in Russia” -

    ***
    - They will go to work, to restore what was destroyed... ...
    ***
    1. +2
      6 January 2024 08: 16
      Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
      “Will veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go to work in Russia” -

      ***
      - They will go to work, to restore what was destroyed... ...
      ***

      In general, this is how it should be. The author simply confuses the reader by the very formulation of the question.
      Where did German prisoners of war go after the end of the war? They restored what was destroyed until Khrushchev freed them. The Armed Forces should do the same. But is it probably too early to talk about this?
  2. +34
    2 January 2024 05: 07
    Personally, I am pessimistic. Let’s say, I don’t really understand why, with regard to the same migrant problem, the authorities do not follow the path of the Arabian monarchies, where, if I’m not mistaken, representatives of the countries of Southeast Asia come to work, but without the right to obtain citizenship. How many of our newly-minted fellow citizens speak even passable Russian? The question is rhetorical.

    The authorities are now in manual mode, through the personal control of senior leaders, trying to cope with the fact that the authorities working on the ground cannot maintain order, forcing them to comply with written laws.
    There are articles in the Criminal Code for which both those with a white sheet on the square and those with a yellow-blue sheet will quickly be limited in their rights.
    And there are those that don't work.
    Do those who don’t know Russian get citizenship? They get it.
    Do deputies from a regional city and above earn money in commerce? They make money.
    Do those who started import substitution and transfer of civil servants to domestic cars 10 years ago continue to serve? They continue.
    And this is from the past and present.
    And the author hopes that there are plans to prevent it. In future.
    1. +2
      4 January 2024 01: 57
      Deputies at the municipal and regional level, unlike State Duma deputies, are allowed to engage in business.
  3. +3
    2 January 2024 05: 12
    They will spread all over the world, just as the German military spread throughout the world after the First World War. They took part in conflicts in South America, and were advisers and mercenaries in the difficult situation in China. I am sure that after the end of the Northern Military District, skakls will take part in any world conflict. I don’t rule out that we will have them too
    1. 0
      2 January 2024 05: 27
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      that we will have them too

      So we should involve them in bringing order to Asian migration. The wedge is knocked out with a wedge!
      1. +4
        2 January 2024 13: 05
        So we should involve them in bringing order to Asian migration. The wedge is knocked out with a wedge!
        - after the war they will have too much in common with Asian migrants, despite their different cultural traditions. Stillborn idea.
        1. -3
          2 January 2024 13: 11
          Quote: Reklastik
          there will be too much in common with Asian migrants

          The only thing they have in common is that they are migrants...And the question needs to be raised: whoever survives whom will remain. So they will try.
        2. +1
          8 January 2024 10: 29
          Quote: Reklastik
          - after the war they will have too much in common with Asian migrants, despite their different cultural traditions.

          Unlike you, I know Ukrainians firsthand. Therefore, I will express my opinion - migrants from the Outskirts, even former members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, even taking into account the fact that some of them may commit terrorist attacks, still pose less of a threat than migrants from Central Asia. It is precisely because of the huge difference in cultural code, language, education, mentality between us and Asians, which is not the case between us and Ukrainians. I would prefer migrants from the Outskirts to migrants from Asia, Afghanistan, Syria, Palestine, etc.
      2. man
        +1
        2 January 2024 13: 54
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        that we will have them too

        So we should involve them in bringing order to Asian migration. The wedge is knocked out with a wedge!

        They'd rather unite. Let's not lie to ourselves, most migrants treat Ukrainians with sympathy. And not only migrants...
      3. +3
        2 January 2024 16: 32
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        that we will have them too

        So we should involve them in bringing order to Asian migration. The wedge is knocked out with a wedge!

        German officers were shocked by the zeal with which the Ukrainian police carried out orders regarding the civilian population. The degree of atrocities was so extreme that they were removed from the mission for some operations...
        1. +3
          2 January 2024 23: 07
          The degree of atrocity was so extreme that civilians often asked the Nazis to protect them from Ukrainian policemen. And the Nazis were already protecting civilians! (source: film "Cold War Hot Spots: On the Edge of Ukraine")
    2. 0
      2 January 2024 12: 58
      Mikhel, here it is more appropriate to recall the fate of the Russian White Guards who left Russia after the CIVIL war. Who became instructors. showed higher qualifications than the Germans. For example, in Latin America, the Chuck War,
    3. +2
      3 January 2024 19: 11
      It seems that this problem has been raised for the first time here... Yes, they will spread. With all their hatred and crippled psyche... I am in favor of creating a cordon sanitaire for such people.
  4. +15
    2 January 2024 05: 37
    Ukrainians living in Ukraine went to work in the Russian Federation for a long time (after the collapse of the USSR).

    And no conflicts, as now with the inhabitants of Central Asia and the Caucasus, occurred.
    1. +11
      2 January 2024 06: 56
      And now they mostly hate us and, having come here, they will harm us at every opportunity!
      1. +13
        2 January 2024 08: 17
        Quote: ZIF122
        And now they mostly hate us and, having come here, they will harm us at every opportunity!

        You will have to arrange relationships one way or another after completing the SVO.
        1. +1
          2 January 2024 16: 36
          Quote: Maxim G
          You will have to arrange relationships one way or another after completing the SVO.

          A soldier of the enemy army is already a criminal, since he fights with weapons in his hands and his guilt does not require proof.
          So, to begin with, we will build relationships by building, let's start with roll call...
          1. -7
            2 January 2024 16: 57
            Quote: isv000
            A soldier of the enemy army is already a criminal, since he fights with weapons in his hands and his guilt does not require proof.
            So, to begin with, we will build relationships by building, let's start with roll call...

            Are you celebrating? drinks
            1. 0
              2 January 2024 18: 20
              Quote: Maxim G
              Are you celebrating?

              Yes Happy New Year! Happy Victory! Glory to Russian weapons! soldier drinks
          2. -4
            2 January 2024 22: 15
            A soldier of the enemy army is already a criminal, since he fights with weapons in his hands and his guilt does not require proof.
            So, to begin with, we will build relationships by building, let's start with roll call...

            Uti is brave when the enemy is in prison and without weapons.
      2. man
        0
        2 January 2024 14: 04
        Quote: ZIF122
        And now they mostly hate us and, having come here, they will harm us at every opportunity!

        And they can be understood... Especially those who lost loved ones in this massacre...
        If you want to understand people, put yourself in their place...
        Shall we tell them about our strategic interests? I'm afraid they won't understand...
        1. +7
          2 January 2024 16: 39
          Quote: mann
          And they can be understood... Especially those who lost loved ones in this massacre...
          If you want to understand people, put yourself in their place...
          Shall we tell them about our strategic interests? I'm afraid they won't understand...

          Put yourself in the shoes of the parents of the children on Angel Avenue. If this is not enough, look at the world through the eyes of the parents of a Russian captain who was burned in a fire pit...
          1. man
            0
            2 January 2024 18: 11
            Quote: isv000
            Quote: mann
            And they can be understood... Especially those who lost loved ones in this massacre...
            If you want to understand people, put yourself in their place...
            Shall we tell them about our strategic interests? I'm afraid they won't understand...

            Put yourself in the shoes of the parents of the children on Angel Avenue. If this is not enough, look at the world through the eyes of the parents of a Russian captain who was burned in a fire pit...

            low blow... any words will be petty and inappropriate...
            1. +3
              2 January 2024 19: 02
              not so easy. They can also make an avenue of angels now.
              and most importantly, I just don’t understand why in the conditional 2015 it was not possible to supply several regiments of Hyacinths, M46 or C23 to look for (no need for anything super new) + 2 AIR brigades + several hundred vacationers (maintenance specialists). and the number of people willing to shoot from there would sharply decrease.
              1. man
                0
                2 January 2024 21: 44
                Quote: george.old
                not so easy. They can also make an avenue of angels now.
                and most importantly, I just don’t understand why in the conditional 2015 it was not possible to supply several regiments of Hyacinths, M46 or C23 to look for (no need for anything super new) + 2 AIR brigades + several hundred vacationers (maintenance specialists). and the number of people willing to shoot from there would sharply decrease.

                I'm afraid to even think why this wasn't done...
            2. +3
              3 January 2024 10: 33
              To understand another, you need to start thinking like him. To solve a problem, you need to stop thinking like the one who created it...
        2. +1
          2 January 2024 22: 17
          Shall we tell them about our strategic interests? I'm afraid they won't understand...

          Can you tell us about our strategic interests?
          The fortunes of oligarchs from the Forbes list are growing. Kadyrov can do anything. I personally don’t notice any positive changes around me. Maybe you can tell me?
          Just don’t talk about the crazy development of the defense industry; in Moscow, more precisely, in Tushino, they are optimizing the Chernyshev plant. In its place, high-rise buildings will rise, which will be inhabited by, it’s not hard to guess who.
          1. man
            0
            3 January 2024 13: 26
            Can you tell us about our strategic interests?
            I meant the obvious desire to move NATO away from our borders. You, of course, can remind us of Finland... What can you say here, except for the immortal saying of Chernomyrdin: “We wanted the best, but it turned out as always...” Our execution, as usual, is lame...
      3. 0
        3 January 2024 00: 42
        And in order to prevent this from happening, it is necessary to introduce veterans of the Northern Military District into the services for placing migrants or gasters. Moreover, for leadership positions. Then everything will be correct and adequate.
      4. +1
        9 January 2024 20: 02
        Quote: ZIF122
        And now they mostly hate us and, having come here, they will harm us at every opportunity!

        What cards were used to tell fortunes? And if this is a statement, then send proof to the studio!
        I do not exclude the possibility of individual acts of terror on their part, but I assume that the FSB will cope with this. But the overwhelming majority are people who are mentally close to us. Unlike the Central Asian and Caucasian "brothers". The harm from which is three orders of magnitude greater than from Ukrainians, even former Armed Forces officers. The most rabid haters of Russia are already embracing Bandera, our guys have done everything for this. hi
  5. +22
    2 January 2024 05: 40
    Another thing is that in order to solve the problem of cutting off the enemy from the Black Sea region, a large-scale combined arms operation is required, and the big question is whether it is possible to carry it out at the present stage without the involvement of an army staffed with conscripts, additional mobilization and an increase in production volumes of military products necessary for the front.


    Impossible even with the activities you listed. Because our brilliant commanders, with colossal losses, failed the operation to encircle and capture little Avdeevka (which they had been preparing for six months), and are now “advancing” 200-300 meters a month. And it will be the same everywhere. The reason is banal: military affairs is the last thing that ever interested Shoigu and his nominees. I wrote about this a year and a half ago, but they downvoted me and said that the Northern Military District was following a cunning plan and Ukraine would soon end.
    1. man
      +1
      2 January 2024 14: 09
      Impossible even with the activities you listed. Because our brilliant commanders, with colossal losses, failed the operation to encircle and capture little Avdeevka (which they had been preparing for six months), and are now “advancing” 200-300 meters a month. And it will be the same everywhere.
      Yes, the worst happened, the war dragged on...
      1. +2
        3 January 2024 10: 38
        Yes, lately the loud statements that time is on Russia’s side and that it does not need to rush anywhere have quieted down lately. Although no, no, yes, they slip through again...
      2. 0
        3 January 2024 19: 18
        If you remember the years of the Second World War, then the maps of Berlin, to plan its assault, were drawn by exhausted cartographers in blockaded Leningrad. So we need to think about this problem now. Despite the fact that this operation is dragging on. And think about the future of our veterans, especially former prisoners "Wagnerites"
    2. 0
      10 January 2024 12: 43
      Quote from invisible_man
      The reason is banal: military affairs is the last thing that ever interested Shoigu and his nominees.

      I am in no way defending Shoigu, his sins are beyond the roof, but, in fairness, it was not Shoigu who planned the operation to liberate Avdeevka.
      All claims to the General Staff
      But I would like to note right away that we know little, so it is, to put it mildly, wrong to evaluate the actions of our troops.
      For we proceed from our desires, and the results of the Northern Military District come from the capabilities of our troops.
  6. +15
    2 January 2024 05: 43
    Recently, the media have been publishing information about the deprivation of Russian citizenship for illegal actions, but it seems that this does not sober up everyone, as evidenced by the recent attack by a crowd of migrants on police officers in the area of ​​the capital's Sadovod market.

    It is high time to adopt the experience of the USA and Canada. Assaulting a police officer is a serious crime. He has the right to shoot the attacker without incurring any responsibility.
    And the sooner the screws are tightened, the better.
    1. +18
      2 January 2024 06: 19
      Quote: Comrade
      It’s high time to adopt the experience of the USA and Canada

      Not particularly in the USA, but in Canada there is point system for immigration - higher education has a certain number of points, knowledge of a language also has points, a profession in demand on the labor market also has points, and much more. Any idiot from underdeveloped countries who wants to sit on benefits and do nothing has no way into this country. This is the kind of experience we need to adopt...
      1. man
        +1
        2 January 2024 15: 38
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: Comrade
        It’s high time to adopt the experience of the USA and Canada

        Not particularly in the USA, but in Canada there is point system for immigration - higher education has a certain number of points, knowledge of a language also has points, a profession in demand on the labor market also has points, and much more. Any idiot from underdeveloped countries who wants to sit on benefits and do nothing has no way into this country. This is the kind of experience we need to adopt...

        Yeah, about 30 years ago I accidentally wandered onto the website of the Canadian Embassy, ​​came across a form for those wishing to immigrate and even filled it out. It’s funny that I passed by points, although I was overly strict with myself. For example, I honestly put zeros and English and French, although of course I knew English, but communicate in it, excuse me smile . My and my wife’s higher education, my candidate’s degree, the presence of a child and something else played a role. Of course, I didn’t send the application form, I won’t be able to live among people who don’t know Russian, and I could never learn English the way I know Russian. I can't speak other languages request
        1. -4
          2 January 2024 16: 45
          Quote: mann
          Yeah, about 30 years ago I accidentally wandered onto the website of the Canadian embassy,

          You don't have to read any further. I haven't read such nonsense here for a long time...
          As for obtaining Canadian citizenship, at that time you only had to raise your hand, and they would have given you a residence permit, for starters...
          If anything I was there in those years...
          1. man
            -2
            2 January 2024 17: 19
            Quote: isv000
            Quote: mann
            Yeah, about 30 years ago I accidentally wandered onto the website of the Canadian embassy,

            You don't have to read any further. I haven't read such nonsense here for a long time...

            I was on some forum, came across a link and clicked on it. Only it was, of course, not 30, but 20 years ago, I confess, I was mistaken. They didn't teach you politeness in school?
      2. +1
        2 January 2024 18: 10
        Quote: Luminman
        In Canada, there is a points system for immigration - higher education has a certain number of points, knowledge of a language also has points, a profession in demand on the labor market also has points, and much more.

        Dear colleague, everything you wrote about is in the past. Classic immigration to Canada is long dead.
        Today, hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants from the United States (blacks from the Caribbean and Latinos) are arriving in the country and have been granted “asylum” there. They simply cross the border and are immediately showered with all sorts of benefits at our expense. The so-called "refugees" that Canada imports from other countries. The way to Canada is practically closed for normal people. The emphasis is not on illegal immigrants and “refugees” who have no intention of working, they are only interested in social housing and benefits. Yes, there is a chance for students educated in Canada. If they find a job in their specialty, they can give them a residence permit. Similarly, they don’t need to show any tests or scores. If you come, you’ll get three thousand in your hands and free housing, and to make it look more fun, here’s a pack of coupons from the Red Cross for receiving food in supercarts.
    2. +6
      2 January 2024 06: 33
      What if an ordinary citizen is attacked?
      1. +2
        2 January 2024 18: 19
        Quote: Maxim G
        What if an ordinary citizen is attacked?

        In Canada, you have no right to defend yourself under any circumstances. And if you have to, you need to quickly get away before the cops arrive. Rest assured, they will side with those who attacked you.
    3. +2
      2 January 2024 13: 06
      Assaulting a police officer is a serious crime. He has the right to shoot the attacker without incurring any responsibility.
      Yeah, under the strictest control. In our area, many gopniks, not finding themselves anywhere and not wanting to work, went to the police. Should I continue to tell you how things have become “good” in the area?
      1. 0
        2 January 2024 22: 29
        How many complaints have you personally written to the Presidential Administration, the Prosecutor General's Office, the Investigative Committee, the FSB, various committees in the Duma, Moskalkova and Sportloto?
        I listened to stories of how people were detained for no reason, beaten, the victims were told various tales in order not to accept statements, and none of these people wrote a single complaint in writing through official channels, although in our time this is done in ten minutes. Yes, sometimes complaints don’t help, but much more often people simply don’t write them.
        1. 0
          3 January 2024 15: 03
          How many complaints have you personally written to the Presidential Administration, the Prosecutor General's Office, the Investigative Committee, the FSB, various committees in the Duma, Moskalkova and Sportloto?
          I wrote to the prosecutor's office, I wrote to the Investigative Committee. I decided not to bring it to the attention of the president; he “doesn’t abandon his own people.” I left Sportsloto for you and Moskalkova too. Take advantage of the opportunity.
          1. -1
            3 January 2024 16: 26
            We always have to start with the presidential administration.
    4. +1
      2 January 2024 16: 42
      Quote: Comrade
      It is high time to adopt the experience of the USA and Canada. Assaulting a police officer is a serious crime. He has the right to shoot the attacker without incurring any responsibility.
      And the sooner the screws are tightened, the better.

      Tell that to the arrested police officers who used force on two-meter black imbeciles with drugs...
      1. +4
        2 January 2024 18: 25
        Quote: isv000
        Tell that to the arrested police officers who used force on six-foot black imbeciles with drugs.

        I’d rather tell this to the peasant who last summer pointed an object that looked like a pistol at the police, for which he was immediately shot. I did not see the incident itself, but I was able to observe the subsequent events. The entire area was cordoned off, there were a dozen police cars parked, surrounding roads were blocked, etc.
        Or the unfortunate father of three children who dared to run from two policemen. They didn’t chase him, they just shot him like a dog. At this place, candles burned for a long time and people brought flowers. That's what they wrote on the poster - he was killed by the police for no reason. I just ran away from them.
  7. +2
    2 January 2024 05: 52
    I hear great expectations in the coming year to end this chaos.
    will be frozen along the current front plus minus Avdeevka
    Kyiv will have some kind of association with the European Union. they will fork out money for restoration... they will have some kind of new reality.
    Well, for us too - to fork out... the east and south are in the trash... it won’t be cheap at all to restore that mountain of rubble
    where and how people will go there and reach out
    1. +1
      2 January 2024 21: 46
      E will be as you assume. Russia does not need a frozen conflict along the current line. This means eternal provocations and a hostile state with a border of thousands of kilometers. The matter must be completed now, or the war will repeat itself and very soon.
  8. +9
    2 January 2024 05: 53
    The question is correct and timely. We (and our WWII allies) have experience in Germany, Germany and the GDR. Something needs to be taken from there. We also have experience in fighting the Bandera underground. And there is the bitter experience of Khrushchev forgiving Bandera after the war.
    Most likely, we will again go along the beaten path and again step on the same rake. What will we do with those who have committed crimes against civilians and against humanity? Everyone get five years and then go free? Arrange a repeat of Cold Summer of '53? And then allow him to participate in democratic elections and again get the former liaison of Bandera’s followers as the first secretary of the Communist Party of Ukraine (United Russia)? bully
    1. +15
      2 January 2024 09: 12
      Quote: V.
      Most likely, we will again go along the beaten path and again step on the same rake.

      Not along the beaten path, but in the indicated direction. For almost a quarter of a century they have been showing us that they will not abandon capitalism (privatization), that the interests of the oligarchs are above all, that the government will protect only the interests of its people, that laws are written for the poor, that elections exist for profanation, that education does not prepare specialists, but "Egeshnikov" that insurance medicine does not treat, but recommends treatment, that...
      But the population of the country, with the obstinacy of artiodactyls, goes to the “slaughter”, after which there are fewer of them...
      1. +6
        2 January 2024 09: 20
        If you allow me, I will subscribe to your comment. God bless you and Happy New Year. soldier
      2. man
        -2
        2 January 2024 15: 51
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Quote: V.
        Most likely, we will again go along the beaten path and again step on the same rake.

        Not along the beaten path, but in the indicated direction. For almost a quarter of a century they have been showing us that they will not abandon capitalism (privatization), that the interests of the oligarchs are above all, that the government will protect only the interests of its people, that laws are written for the poor, that elections exist for profanation, that education does not prepare specialists, but "Egeshnikov" that insurance medicine does not treat, but recommends treatment, that...
        But the population of the country, with the obstinacy of artiodactyls, goes to the “slaughter”, after which there are fewer of them...

        Be grateful that serfdom was not returned... yet
        1. 0
          2 January 2024 22: 39
          Be grateful that serfdom was not returned... yet

          In Chechnya, it is already officially allowed to punish relatives of those whom Kadyrov considers terrorists.
          It must be assumed that the Ukrainians, having learned about this, will want us to free them even more quickly.
    2. -2
      2 January 2024 16: 38
      experience of fighting the Bandera underground.
      That experience, to put it mildly, is a little outdated.
  9. -7
    2 January 2024 05: 56
    Russia is a generous soul! Everyone will be employed
  10. VLR
    +18
    2 January 2024 06: 07
    The demographic situation in Russia was very difficult even before February 2022. Yeltsin's pseudo-reforms deprived our country of tens of millions of unborn fellow citizens. And after the start of the SVO, the demographic situation tragically worsened and it is stupid and impossible to deny. The number of young healthy able-bodied men has sharply decreased - due to mobilization, which tore them out of their families and from the sphere of production. And due to the mass shameful flight during the period of mobilization (that’s why our authorities are not carrying out the second stage of mobilization - they are simply afraid of losing another million men). And a holy place, as we know, is never empty. Society is aging, there is no one to work, and girls have no one to marry. And therefore, migration pressure will only increase. Veterans of the Ukrainian army and Asians who do not know Russian will be allowed into the country - regardless of our desire and the desire of the authorities, who are already frightened by the situation in large cities, but cannot refuse the invitation of new migrants. But “businessmen” do not want to give up cheap foreign labor. In Ukraine the situation is even worse, there is a real demographic catastrophe from which there is no way out. The local comprador authorities have already killed and maimed a huge number of men in a senseless massacre and are now ready to throw even young women to slaughter. Plus mass flight abroad (from where no one wants to return), natural population decline and imposed propaganda of transgenderism and LBGT. Bottom line: in the foreseeable future, there will simply not be enough population in Ukraine to fully control the territory. Ukraine will cease to be a Slavic state and the surviving Nazis will “teach Arabs and blacks to love nenka.” But this is no consolation. Sadly, the West, which itself is dying due to the accelerating replacement of the indigenous population by migrants, finally managed, by provoking this conflict, to organize a successful operation to depopulate the two largest Slavic states. This is all very sad, but this is the retribution for the sins of the people who voted for Yeltsin - and they voted en masse, themselves, not at gunpoint. And for the numerous mistakes of the current leadership, which did not pay attention to the alarming processes that have been taking place in Ukraine all these years and considered Ukraine only as a transit territory for the sale abroad of non-renewable resources, the money for the sale of which has not yet been returned to Russia - neither by the oligarchs, nor by the state. And they were worthlessly lost - by both. An example of appalling short-sightedness and stunning stupidity that will be included in all history books.
    1. +16
      2 January 2024 09: 45
      Quote: VlR
      This is the retribution for the sins of the people who voted for Yeltsin

      It turns out that Yeltsin has laid a real mine under Russian statehood! Why does Putin blame only the communists for this?
      1. +3
        2 January 2024 13: 14
        It turns out that Yeltsin has laid a real mine under Russian statehood! Why does Putin blame only the communists for this?


        Why, why... because. Two "communists".

      2. man
        +6
        2 January 2024 14: 29
        Quote: Stas157
        Quote: VlR
        This is the retribution for the sins of the people who voted for Yeltsin

        It turns out that Yeltsin has laid a real mine under Russian statehood! Why does Putin blame only the communists for this?

        Don’t feed him honey, just to blame the communists. How can you be so ungrateful?! Now can the son of a worker graduate from one of the best universities in the country? Well, isn’t it a shame?!!!
        1. -2
          2 January 2024 18: 19
          Don’t feed him honey, just to blame the communists. How can you be so ungrateful?! Now can the son of a worker graduate from one of the best universities in the country? Well, isn’t it a shame?!!!


          Despite the fact that he himself carried a party card in his pocket and spread rot on his subordinates who were in no hurry to join the CPSU.
    2. +13
      2 January 2024 13: 31
      oh, this Yeltsin ruled for only 9 years, but he did so much...
      but a certain Putin has ruled for only 23 years + the next 6 - and is white and fluffy.. even Lenin’s “bombs” can be heroically dismantled, and this Putin has never made a mistake anywhere.. Even in September 2023, when he uttered his famous speech - “I thought I belonged to the bourgeoisie. And I did bourgeois things... but they didn’t recognize me and didn’t accept us into their club of bourgeoisists.”
    3. man
      +1
      2 January 2024 14: 22
      The cruel truth... Lump in throat...
  11. +9
    2 January 2024 06: 42
    Personally, my position is simple: after the end of the conflict, all former ideological military personnel must disappear from the face of the earth.
    And it doesn't have to be deadlines. These must be either uranium mines or...
    Our man took up arms and fought and killed citizens of a country enemy to his country, then this hatred will always be with him. And finding himself in a country that is hostile to him, he will at least do crap and spread his ideas in social strata subject to influence (teenagers). And the maximum will be committing sabotage.
    In order for there to be few technogenic accidents, there should be few former landowners on earth.
    1. +3
      2 January 2024 10: 28
      Sergei Bely, the problem is not only with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And what about their family members, both current and those who will grow up in the near future? Even your radical methodology probably doesn’t apply to them? Unfortunately, I’m just formulating a question, I don’t have an answer.
      1. +2
        2 January 2024 16: 52
        Quote: Berezin
        Sergei Bely, the problem is not only with the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And what about their family members, both current and those who will grow up in the near future? Even your radical methodology probably doesn’t apply to them? Unfortunately, I’m just formulating a question, I don’t have an answer.

        Force must be used to squeeze foam out of the vacated areas. Let them flock to the logs for their underpants and further, to the benefactors, who should also take a sip from the cup that they brewed...
      2. 0
        2 January 2024 21: 40
        And what about their family members, both current and those who will grow up in the near future?

        Family members are brainwashed, as the Americans did to the Japanese after World War II. And control using modern digital means. If even one of the family is found to be involved in anti-Russian actions, then everyone will disappear in one evening.
        This is tough, but the Russian Federation is more important to me than the number of citizens of any other country. My child lives here.
  12. +5
    2 January 2024 06: 48
    They must go to work in the Russian Federation. Under escort. With remuneration at the rate of “a bowl of gruel 3 times a day.”
    1. VLR
      +14
      2 January 2024 07: 03
      Yes, you are a dreamer, my friend! smile
      As of October 4, 2023, according to Western estimates, there were from 20 to 25 thousand Ukrainians in Russian captivity, among whom there were many real die-hard Nazis. How many of them do you think work in the mines for three bowls of gruel a day? In general, do they just work? And how many receive quite decent accommodation conditions, nutritious food, medical care, free services? 0% and 100% respectively.
      1. man
        +1
        2 January 2024 14: 43
        Quote: VlR
        Yes, you are a dreamer, my friend! smile
        As of October 4, 2023, according to Western estimates, there were from 20 to 25 thousand Ukrainians in Russian captivity, among whom there were many real die-hard Nazis. How many of them do you think work in the mines for three bowls of gruel a day? In general, do they just work? And how many receive quite decent accommodation conditions, nutritious food, medical care, free services? 0% and 100% respectively.

        I understand that I am expressing a very unpopular opinion, but I believe that the authorities are absolutely right here. Think about it, would it be better if Ukrainians prefer death to captivity?
  13. +10
    2 January 2024 07: 12
    Purely my personal opinion.....
    It is necessary now to form a “Base” of participants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (SBU, Banderlogs).
    And when hiring or arranging a place of residence, a check (for lice) is MANDATORY. No amnesties or concessions. NO ONE IS FORGOTTEN, NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN.
    I hope EXPERIENCE after the Second World War taught me something???????
    1. +2
      2 January 2024 07: 46
      I agree with your opinion, and I hope that such a base has been formed a long time ago. Our intelligence services are not exactly dumb. I hope too...
      1. +1
        2 January 2024 11: 22
        The "base" is formed on criminals. For those who committed atrocities. And this is mainly an initiative of local authorities (DPR, LPR, etc.).
        At the Armed Forces of Ukraine, definitely NOT. We need the initiative of the authorities, and the desire of the special services.
        And this, you know, is a burden for them.
        Do they “need” this???????
    2. 0
      3 January 2024 16: 00
      It is necessary now to form a “Base” of participants of the Armed Forces of Ukraine (SBU, Banderlogs)

      I completely agree. Back in 2008, I visited China before the Olympic Games. In Beijing we had a Chinese guide who spoke Russian very well. He said that he was a candidate member of the Chinese Communist Party. I’ve been a candidate for 8 years now... I asked him why it took so long. He said that he was in Tiananmen Square and it still resonates to this day. We must lead by example.
  14. +3
    2 January 2024 07: 57
    Employment Service and Russia has had little to offer Russians over the past 30 years.

    Over three decades, politicians first turned a large country into a “territory of the post-Soviet space”, and factories into “industrial zones”.

    Now they are gradually turning it into a territory where it is impossible to live and work normally. Migrants are fleeing from everywhere: from Central Asia to Russia, from Russia and Ukraine to the West.
    An innovation will most likely be the closure of borders and migrant routes to the West after the end of the Northern Military District This is where chaos can become uncontrollable.
  15. 0
    2 January 2024 08: 31
    But still, contrary to the obvious, I hope that the authorities predict the possibility of an influx of yesterday’s Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans into Russia after the end of hostilities and are planning appropriate measures either to counter this, or are ready to strictly control this process, as well as, I expect, will tighten their work with diasporas .

    An interesting topic was raised.

    The problem is this: unemployment in Russia has reached a record level, somewhere around 3-4%.
    This means that it will be difficult for the Russian economy to develop further qualitatively.

    I can’t say for sure what the unemployment rate is in Ukraine right now, but I think we can talk about high numbers. To assume that this will change after the SVO - no, it will not change.

    Why the state doesn’t regulate is not a question, even for Arab princes and sheikhs. The question is the cost of such personnel. As a result, all this will be reflected at the checkout when we shop at Pyaterochka.

    So, combining these parameters together, we can make a disappointing forecast - they will come and work.
    The only thing that can be done is to put them on enhanced registration and assign additional ones. tax and stuff like that.
  16. +4
    2 January 2024 08: 38
    Knowing the Russian Federation, I believe that the Russian Federation will put pressure first on its own veterans, and first on Russian veterans, then on Ukrainian ones, and lastly on the ethnomafia = diaspora, and most likely the last point will be as a PR, not really
    1. man
      0
      2 January 2024 15: 56
      Knowing the Russian Federation, I believe that the Russian Federation will put pressure first on its own veterans and very first on Russian veterans on its own.
      Well, not all of them, a few will be accepted into the United Russia, they will sit in the State Duma and call for voting “correctly”
  17. +4
    2 January 2024 08: 49
    To the author's thoughts: The number of citizens of Ukraine and Moldova with valid work permits in Russia or patents has continued to decline since 2015, decreasing in 2020 by 49% and 44%, respectively, compared to 2019. By mid-2021, it had decreased by 34% and 26%, respectively, compared to mid-2020. The number of workers from Ukraine (40,5 thousand people at the end of June 2021) turned out to be less than from Azerbaijan (42,4 thousand people). those. Since the opening of EU borders for work in 2014, the number of Ukrainians has been decreasing and decreasing significantly... in 2010, 50% of gasters were from Ukraine, in 2020 4%.... so the reasoning in the article is about nothing, they all went yet from 2014 the EU and the Russian Federation will not be invaded, there is no need to talk about it...
    1. -1
      2 January 2024 09: 19
      That is, those who are fighting now will not “break in” later? The author asks the question: “Where will they go if they are not allowed into the EU?”
      And that means you know for sure that “everyone has already left”...... The impression is that you have “everyone has already left”....
      1. +1
        2 January 2024 09: 38
        Quote: ivan2022
        "Where will they go if they are not allowed into the EU?"

        this is a very big if.. an assumption that is.. there are already many millions and plus a million will not change anything, and the EU Ukrainians are much better than the Arabs and blacks, so I don’t think that such a ban will appear.. The EU and the ENTIRE population of Ukraine can " digest"... besides, by introducing such a ban, they will give Ukraine a very big kick towards the Russian Federation - I don’t think that they will decide to do this, and then the meaning of everything that is happening is the “separation of Ukraine from the Russian Federation”... that’s why I wrote, that “you don’t have to talk about it” as something probable, but in general, of course, you can talk about anything..
        1. +2
          2 January 2024 10: 01
          The EU can digest it and wants it!)
          Ukrainian, almost an ideal migrant for Europe.
          1. -3
            2 January 2024 12: 23
            What nonsense? There, the Poles with stronger ties survive the Asians. And even more so, the Ukrainians will be pushed out. For those who are in the tank, European countries have representatives of the Arab and black lobbies.
            1. -2
              20 January 2024 11: 36
              Reasonings of an amateur theorist)
              I’m a practitioner) I lived there and worked there.
              Arabs, and even more so blacks, do not want to work, even if they are registered at work, they work as slowly and poorly as possible. The level of learning ability is incomparable from the word “absolutely”
        2. -3
          2 January 2024 15: 20
          EU Ukrainians are much better than Arabs and blacks
          Almost 2 years have passed, and 5-15% of the refugees who came running have been employed. So no, not better. And Ukrainians have higher demands. Moreover, dill who were already employed in the EU, having received the opportunity to go on benefits (after well-known events), gladly took advantage of this opportunity.
          In 2015, I talked with Ukrainian legislators in London - they planned their future like this - when (not if) dill enters the EU, take their entire family to England, get social housing on the south coast, and sit with the whole clan on benefits. This is practically their national idea - to live like people, and not work like donkeys smile .
      2. 0
        2 January 2024 12: 26
        The author asks the question: “Where will they go if they are not allowed into the EU?”[B] [/ b]

        After the end of the Northern Military District, work to restore what was destroyed in the territory of the former Ukraine will be enough for many years to come. And you don’t have to go anywhere.
  18. -1
    2 January 2024 09: 20
    Comrade Stalin solved this issue well: send them to prisoner of war camps, filter them there; those guilty of committing crimes will be punished, the rest will have to be released after the filtering is completed, and this will take ten years.
    1. +8
      2 January 2024 09: 25
      It was not “Comrade Stalin” who decided so. Because Comrade Stalin was not a hereditary monarch. This was decided by the Bolshevik Party, where Comrade Stalin was an elected and generally not a formal leader.

      And in modern society, where thieves and bandits are not formal leaders, all decisions are completely different. And remembering “Comrade Stalin” today is an absolutely pointless exercise.
      1. -2
        2 January 2024 09: 39
        Do you deny the role of Comrade Stalin in the Victory of the Soviet people in the Great Patriotic War?
    2. 0
      2 January 2024 10: 35
      You propose an interesting solution - the vast majority in the Ukrainian army are forcibly mobilized, often under the threat of prison, and you again offer people prison, simply for the fact that they were drafted into the army by the authorities of their state against their will. I think that after posts like yours, the number of Russian supporters in Ukraine will decrease even more! And the number of people who want to somehow take revenge on the authorities for obvious injustice, accordingly, will further increase.
      1. +2
        2 January 2024 13: 00
        You are right that it mobilizes violently. But just like in the Great Patriotic War, there are war crimes and there is no justification for them. If he did not commit war crimes, then Russia already ensures life and decent treatment as a prisoner of war. A separate category is ideological fascists and talking heads in support of fascism; they should be shot by court order, or better yet, hanged.
        Second: if a person is such a prisoner of conscience, then why doesn’t he go to prison?
        Third: why are Ukrainians ready to shoot at us and fight to the death, and these are facts and their courage cannot be denied, but do not turn their weapons against their corrupt power?
        Fourth: everyone on the front line is asked to surrender - how many chose to voluntarily lay down their arms? I have respect for those who are completely faithful to their oath and in any conditions fight to the end, but why then, having released everything they had in our direction and being left without shells, should they expect to be treated equal to the citizens of Russia? Let me remind you that they don’t greet our guys there with candy, and our guys die there and get maimed.
        At the same time, of course, recording an entire people as criminals is the same fascism that our country is fighting against, and no one is proposing this.
        My opinion: among those who did not commit war crimes, but also did not surrender voluntarily = they did not surrender after exhausting the possibilities for resistance, they are only waiting for work to restore the former Ukraine in the status of working German prisoners of war - their reward is life and food, which they themselves will earn and nothing more than the right to early release for hard work. How else - to understand and forgive - again - have already passed! It's time for everyone in the world to understand that everything has to be paid for. Did you want war, did not care about everything that is sacred to us and spat in our faces while laughing for a long time? Amazing. For years they forgave, negotiated, and offered to come to their senses. The people didn’t care what policy their government was pursuing, how Russians were being killed in the Donbass and LPR—it was time to pay the bills. Otherwise, they only present us with bills for the alleged occupation of Ukraine under the USSR, or God knows why. It's time to start paying for your actions or lack thereof.
        As for those who voluntarily surrendered, did not fight at all and did not plant fascism, then the question is open as to where and how to employ them... I believe the people of Ukraine are a proud and self-sufficient people, and therefore why do they need any handouts from us? It is best to carry out the nationalization-privatization of property in two stages and make, perhaps for the first time in history, a Ukrainian the owner of his land so that he can provide for himself on his land and pay modest taxes with the clear work of all inspection bodies (the Empire will have its say here) could develop his small business. Create families, pay taxes and live with dignity and freedom in harmony and unity with Russians.
  19. +3
    2 January 2024 09: 20
    In Ukraine, they mobilize mostly 30+, although now the bar is being lowered to 25+. But at 30+, as a rule, there is already a civilian profession. What prevents you from returning back to peaceful work?
  20. +10
    2 January 2024 09: 35
    . And both A.I. Bastrykin and Patriarch Kirill directly speak about the fact that migrants are becoming a significant factor in social tension.

    Shouldn’t migrants simply not be allowed in?
    Tell me, who is stopping you from doing this? State Department or fifth column?
  21. 0
    2 January 2024 09: 36
    when a fighter who had fought in Syria and Ukraine, who had arrived on leave, taught a lesson in courage at school in the morning, and in the evening he brutally and for no reason beat up his neighbors.
    Prigozhin had a very specific contingent, like himself.
  22. -4
    2 January 2024 09: 57
    "Problem" made up from thin air...
    In the Armed Forces of Ukraine, most people are not haters of Russia, but rather victims of circumstances.
    And Europe will gladly accommodate at least all able-bodied Ukrainians, there is a colossal shortage of workers, I write this as a person who lived in Germany a year ago and often visited Poland.
    The crime of Khokhlokistan, too, will go to Europe with great pleasure, it is much easier for crime to exist there, the police, in terms of work, are nonexistent, with an eternal shortage of employees, criminal laws are much softer, prisons, compared to ours, are resorts.
    Over the course of a year of living in Russia (I was born and raised in Russia), I observe, to great regret and disappointment, that we now, inside, have enough of our own (citizens) who hate Russia and are ready to help Ukrainians even without migrants...
    1. 0
      2 January 2024 14: 17
      Criminal laws are much softer, prisons are resorts compared to ours.
      Over the course of a year of living in Russia (I was born and raised in Russia), I observe, to great regret and disappointment, that we now, inside, have enough of our own (citizens) who hate Russia and are ready to help Ukrainians even without migrants...

      Maybe one thing is connected to the other. Contact with our police can lead the most patriotic person to a surge of hatred towards the state. Moreover, as a victim too.
      On the one hand, divide and conquer - if in the triangle “society, police and prisoners” everyone hates each other, this means that they will not unite against the authorities. But they will not unite against an external enemy.
    2. -1
      2 January 2024 15: 26
      the police, in terms of work, no
      How is the crime rate in Europe lower than in most countries in the world?
      1. -2
        20 January 2024 11: 30
        One criminal ceiling of 500 euros resets all European statistics)
        Up to 500 euros theft is not considered) in Germany, theft in supermarkets is massive! Of course, it’s mostly migrants who steal, but the Germans are also getting involved, it’s a contagious process)
        The second example, not about theft, my friend and I were attacked by extortionists, it’s a long story, in the end there was a fight, there were more of them, we fought back, but they imposed norms on us, I personally received a blow to the Adam’s apple, so the police rushed in, one the policeman spoke Russian, and in his presence we received threats of reprisals later, etc. in the end, everyone was interviewed, everything was written down... and that’s it) everyone was released. me to the hospital, where the doctor on duty said, “Your situation is not critical, go to your doctor tomorrow.” And the police said, if you want a trial, then you need to hire a lawyer and go to the land court, but everything is overloaded there, this will take at least six months, in general, we gave up on this.
        This is briefly about the ideal operation of the system in Germany. We have many myths about Western life.
        In our house, when the Arabs were loud, the police simply did not come to the call) Never! Even when one was on an overdose of I don’t know what, he started throwing furniture and household appliances out of a 3rd floor window with a frenzied scream. Small town, province. But this is from personal observation)
        1. 0
          20 January 2024 11: 35
          We have many myths about Western life.
          I live in England, the police work fine. Even the scary black ghettos from the myths of Western life are quite inhabitable. When called, they arrive within a couple of minutes.
          With him, we received threats of reprisals later
          Excuse me, did you count on personal security after this?
          1. -1
            20 January 2024 12: 01
            I'm happy for the Britons, but this is not certain.
            I didn’t count on personal security; I thought that attack, battery and threat to life by a group of people, by prior conspiracy, were still serious grounds for opening a criminal case. The crime itself is obvious and the criminals must be punished, even if the victims do not write a statement.
            If this seems normal to you, I wish you hello in the black quarters of England.
            1. 0
              20 January 2024 12: 03
              I'm happy for the Britons, but this is not certain.
              Compare murder rates by country.
              I wish you hello in the black quarters of England.
              Yes, in general I’m fine, just not in the black quarter now.
              assault, battery and threat to life by a group of persons, by prior conspiracy
              From the point of view of the German police, it’s a routine everyday showdown between gasters. Do they really need it?
              1. -3
                20 January 2024 12: 22
                Compare and what?
                Murders in Russia, as in other countries, are mainly domestic. Personally, I see that our men are tougher, sometimes they fight, and where they fight, they can kill you, but with your rear-wheel drive tolerance, they would prefer to take you by the cheek or substitute your butt...
                I saw how, in Germany, “men” ran away from the Arabs, leaving women and even children, screaming something about the police, I think the British are no braver. Not everything, not everywhere, but we’re talking about statistics)
                It’s also worth taking into account spaces; larger areas are more difficult to control.
                If on your island, with a leading position in surveillance cameras in the world, as far as I remember, with the technical equipment of your police, you, according to statistics, are only one step below Russia, then this is a complete failure, as for me, because Russia is not much ahead your favorite England according to statistics (another question about the veracity of the data).
                1. +1
                  20 January 2024 12: 34
                  I saw how, in Germany
                  Tales of a Sausage Migrant laughing Still there or already kicked out?
                  just one step below Russia
                  In Russia there are 8.21 murders per 100 thousand people, and in Britain it is 1.2, so that’s not a bad step up. I note that of those killed in Britain, a good half were people of color who imagined themselves to be Escobars.
                  1. -3
                    20 January 2024 12: 43
                    Well, you should judge others by yourself.
                    No one can take me out anywhere.
                    I never intended to stay in your beloved Europe, I still have a valid residence permit in Germany, but I definitely will not return there.
                    A year ago, finally, after much ordeal, we returned to our homeland. To your homeland, terrible, with murders, with tyrants, savages and bears.
                    It’s people like you who are running around the world, looking for “where it’s better.” I, my family, will try to do better in our native Fatherland, and this is our conscious choice, and not “kicked out.”
                    You still won’t understand, you’re not Russian.
                    1. +1
                      20 January 2024 12: 55
                      I still have a valid residence permit in Germany, but I definitely won’t return there.
                      Because, by and large, you are not needed there, and in the end it dawned on you.
                      Well, you should judge others by yourself.
                      Sorry, but if they are all such fagots, why did you come to live with them? I have heard similar stories in the emigrant environment more than once from immigrants who were not one iota able to adapt to society - due to belonging to the class of two-legged "cattle".
                      These Englishmen drank two beers each and went home, and Vasyan and I drank a bottle of vodka, punched each other in the faces and woke up in the police station laughing That’s why Vasyan and I are cool guys, and the Anglics are suckers.
                      This is the worldview of some “cool Russian men”, and you are clearly not that far away. I'm really ashamed of these people.
                      A year ago, finally, after much ordeal
                      I guess the plan is to get rich among the Germans (they're stupid laughing ) covered himself with a copper basin. I am a hardened immigrant and have seen all these stories and types more than once or five times.
                      you're not Russian

                      My roots are with Khopr. But for some reason, I consider traveling abroad with contempt for the locals who host you to be the lot of blacks and Arabs.
                      1. -2
                        20 January 2024 13: 33
                        I repeat, you shouldn’t measure by yourself.
                        I won’t describe my whole life, I don’t see the point, this is not a dozen lines.
                        You are not reading carefully, the chain of events is too long, the fact is that I never intended to live in Europe, I ended up there by accident, I didn’t have any problems with earning money, I never had such problems anywhere.
                        The ordeal consisted of preparing documents for the child.
                        I didn’t write anywhere that it was impossible, impossible, etc. to live there, I wrote that it was unacceptable for me personally. In order not to get a job in Germany you have to be, I don’t even know who. There are no problems with working there, even if you don’t speak the language, they give you an apartment, you can just live on one allowance, no one denied that. So your sarcastic attempts to assume something spontaneously are ridiculous and betray a desire to justify yourself and your position. You have no idea about my education, or anything about me at all; your attempt to bring it all under a general standard speaks precisely of your limitations.
                        Personally, I don’t drink at all, neither vodka nor beer, here your gift of clairvoyance is again missed. Just stating a fact. And about the English who don’t drink much, tell others, the English drink just as much. Cattle, according to your classification, exist everywhere, and the English ones are no better than others.
                        A hardened migrant... Well, they still haven’t accepted you into their group yet?) Is this where your complexes come from?)
                        You can have roots in Khopr, but that doesn’t mean being Russian.
                      2. 0
                        20 January 2024 13: 50
                        ended up there by accident
                        Shipwreck belay ?
                        You have no idea about my education, or anything about me at all,
                        You see and describe the indigenous inhabitants of a foreign rich country to which you came (for some reason belay ) EXACTLY the SAME way as Tajbeks and Azerbaijanis living in Russia describe Russians among themselves, and even with similar phrases. And this is enough to understand the picture, at least partially. And I’m inclined to think that educated people don’t do that—that’s the lot of a mambet with a broom.
                        Haven't they accepted you yet?
                        Quite frankly, I only use Russian on the forum. But since I grew up in a different country and a different society (although I actually grew up here in south London), I understand both perfectly.
                        it doesn't mean being Russian
                        What does it mean to be Russian? A “We Can Do It Again” sticker with a St. George’s ribbon on an elderly German car parked askew in Brighton, England? A fig in the pocket of a society to which, without asking anyone, you came “to live”? Love for the Motherland from a rich distance?
                      3. -2
                        20 January 2024 14: 40
                        Do you think it’s difficult, choking on sarcasm, to talk about a hard-core emigrant with roots from Khopr, who prefers to idolize the Western way of life?
                        Can't you think of anything other than a shipwreck?
                        I write only about what I saw myself; I have no need to embellish or denigrate anything.
                        Mastering a language and being accepted into your community are not the same thing. For them, you will remain a mambet. All your associations with the word “Russian” are certainly associated with alcohol, does it run in your family? Did mom and dad drink and beat? As you can see, it’s not difficult to throw around cliches, especially offensive ones.
                        I don’t know what kind of societies you went to without asking “to live.” I was personally offered to participate in the project, I was interested, but I never, I repeat for those who don’t understand well, never intended to live in the Western world, I don’t want my children grew up in their culture.
                        I realize that not everything is good in my country, but when your home is bad, you need to do repairs, put things in order, and not run away like a rat.
                        Your beloved civilized Britons lived their entire history by robbery, destroyed entire nations, and throughout known history they were enemies of my country, which they never denied.
                        Did you join their flag because it was more profitable? - Good luck.
                      4. -1
                        20 January 2024 14: 51
                        For them, you will remain a mambet.
                        I was friends and communicated with English neo-Nazis, so it’s unlikely - otherwise I would be writing from the other world.
                        preferring to idolize the Western way of life?
                        Well, yes, you should despise him when using him Yes - the path of the patriot.
                        don't run like a rat.
                        I was born on a military base in Latvia. That's why I need a visa to Russia. I have never received a visa in my life and I don’t intend to. I took it and went around Europe - this is my home.
                        offered to participate in the project
                        An interesting project if fellow countrymen-racketeers arrive. Superconducting magnetosynchrotron on a tunnel drive laughing ?
                        Your beloved civilized Britons lived their entire history by robbery, destroyed entire nations, and throughout known history they were enemies of my country
                        In history, everyone has been everyone's enemy at some time. You drove up to the Germans, but how did that happen?
                        good luck.
                        I don’t suffer from a lack of it, but I still thank you.
                        So what is “Russian” in your opinion?
                      5. -1
                        20 January 2024 15: 10
                        Conversation about nothing.
                        You tirelessly twist fragments of what I said into interpretations that are convenient for you.
                        Why did you decide that I would make excuses?
                        I tried to explain, you don't understand and it doesn't matter why.
                        I repeat, for understanding, I (the whole family) have a residence permit valid until March. And I didn’t seek it, the Germans offered to formalize it to simplify life for themselves and me. As a seasoned migrant, how many people get a residence permit in Germany?
                        You won’t understand why my family and I returned to Russia as soon as I could.
                        This dialogue has dragged on, has ceased to be interesting and has no meaning.
                        I say goodbye to this.
                      6. 0
                        20 January 2024 15: 15
                        How many people get a residence permit in Germany?
                        Actually, yes, quite a lot. From the Balkans to Bangladesh. Personally, I don’t need a residence permit; I can come in with my passport at any time; I just need to buy a ticket.
                        I (the whole family) have a residence permit valid until March.

                        Three long months left laughing .
                        Will I make excuses?
                        I don't need excuses, but arguments.
                        This dialogue has dragged on, has ceased to be interesting and has no meaning.
                        You just have nothing to say.
                        I say goodbye to this.
                        seeya Yes .
                      7. -1
                        20 January 2024 15: 24
                        I, too, can categorically declare that everything you wrote is nonsense and you have nothing to say.
                        You perceive my information pervertedly. Why did you write about three long months?
                        I gave this information to make it clear that even now I have a choice whether to return or stay. Yes, I also have a passport of another state, and it also allows me to travel without visas. I repeat, this means that I have a choice. And I did it.
                      8. 0
                        20 January 2024 15: 30
                        I also have a passport of another state, and it also allows me to travel without visas.
                        Georgia or what? With an EU residence permit you simply don’t need it.
                        You perceive my information pervertedly.
                        Your facts don't fit well.- I know a lot about immigration. At first there was an attempt to tell me in hackneyed phrases about Russian patriotism. Then - about the coolness of Russian men laughing . Then attempts to get out of the conversation.
                        Why did you write about three long months?
                        Besides, your options are clearly, let's say, somewhat limited.
                      9. -1
                        20 January 2024 15: 43
                        What facts don't fit with YOU?
                        If your brain is not able to build a logical chain based on this information, this does not mean that it “doesn’t fit”, maybe this indicates a lack of life experience, general information, or a defective brain that is not able to process it? Then, logically, the brain will look for options that justify its lack of understanding and blame everyone around and the opponent in particular.
                        I can answer for every word.
                        Question - why should I waste my time on you? I already spent a lot of time on it.
                        What do I have to prove? What do I have a German residence permit? Visa-free passport? No problem on my part. From your side - how will you respond?
                      10. +1
                        20 January 2024 15: 46
                        Speaking like an adult - how to answer
                        You quickly slide into the Gopnik's "bazaar" laughing .
                        If your brain is not able to build a logical chain
                        Just in a state - through the smoothed out hackneyed phrases the real situation becomes clearly visible.
                        Visa-free passport?
                        Don’t you find it strange to talk about patriotism while being the holder of two passports?.\
                        What do I have to prove?
                        They don't owe anything. Just explain to me what you mean by “being Russian.” Curious.
                        Do I have a residence permit in Germany? Visa-free passport?
                        You are one of at least a million. I'm definitely not impressed by this.
                      11. -1
                        20 January 2024 15: 52
                        Being responsible for your words is normal for any man, if in your life only gopniks are responsible for their words and actions, I feel sorry for you.
                        Personally, I don’t see any point in talking to a person who is not responsible for his words.
                        Patriotism is indicated by where you are and what you do for the Fatherland, and not by the number of passports.
                        I’ve written this many times already, you won’t understand.
                        You won't understand me, I won't understand you, never.
                        That is why this dialogue makes no sense.
                      12. +1
                        20 January 2024 16: 01
                        not responsible for their words
                        I don’t remember that I promised you anything.
                        you won't understand.
                        Everything ingenious is simple - from your point of view, at Hitler’s headquarters everything is shabby smile , because you were, by and large, survived from Germany, which you entered on a bird’s license (temporary residence permit). From my point of view, this is far from the case, and I tried to explain this to you.
                        number of passports.
                        In fact, when obtaining citizenship, they take an oath, so the number of passports = the number of Fatherland Yes .
                      13. -1
                        20 January 2024 16: 12
                        For a normal man, a normal man should be responsible for his words without promises, a priori.
                        But how can you answer, I clarified, it turned out - nothing.
                        The assertion that I was “survived” with an open residence permit from Germany, and even from a burnt-out migrant, sounds more than stupid. How did I survive? I had a social apartment (three rooms), fully paid utilities, a family allowance of about one and a half thousand euros, now they give about two. This does not count earnings without registration.
                        How could they “survive” me from there?? Apparently it didn't burn you there...
                        As usual, you’ll miss it, I didn’t come with a residence permit, they got it for me on the spot.
                        Your attempts to attract the actual to the desired become simply pathetic.
                      14. 0
                        20 January 2024 16: 22
                        I had a social apartment (three rooms), fully paid utilities, a family allowance of about one and a half thousand euros, now they give about two. This does not count earnings without registration.

                        You are just a pathetic parasite. And by the way, a criminal (although in Germany earning money while on welfare may not be considered a crime. In England it is) But it’s a show-off. Practically, you are a white Negro, sucked into society and feeding along with your family and offspring at the expense of those very Germans who are “no match for Russian peasants.” Cool project, nothing to say. And it also teaches me to live laughing At least I provide for myself.
                      15. -2
                        20 January 2024 16: 47
                        You are just a minor who wouldn’t say even a hundredth of that to my face. Yes, I had their system without a twinge of conscience, because they are not my friends, the fact that interests sometimes intersect does not make their system my friend, and certainly I will not sell myself to them. You, a young bastard, have no idea about the Motherland, just a rootless trash, it’s not for you to try to judge me, I have worked since I was 16 years old, your beloved Western “civilization” destroyed my country, has been trying to destroy my people for thousands of years, I have always considered them my enemies.
                        There are good people there, but their states are hostile to mine, that’s enough for me.
                        Students like you will still run back, in 15 years your Europe will be Muslim, where will you run next, litter?
                        You're just a regular pissing troll. If you hate the Russian world, why are you sitting here and spraying pus?
                        Go have a beer with the noble English, what did you forget on the Russian site? Or is it like putting it on a fan?
                      16. 0
                        20 January 2024 16: 56
                        had their system without a twinge of conscience
                        He carried around little pieces, loser. I guess. that you are a useless ballast with a high ego. but you laid it all out yourself.
                        You, a young bastard, have no idea about the Motherland, just rootless trash
                        I provide for myself and my family myself. Compared to me, you are a nonentity, a beggar. You have also brought ideology under your parasite. "patriot".
                        It wouldn't tell me even a hundredth part of that.
                        Also a pen-pal laughing . Teach your wife how to cook cabbage soup from discounted meat from Lidl.
                        in 15 years your Europe will be Muslim
                        Then Russia in 10.
                        Go have a beer with the noble Englishmen
                        I'll go and have a drink, and for own money. And it’s not for you, beggar, to talk about nobleness.
                        Russian world
                        Do not disgrace the Russian world and Russian people. You are not Russian, but a white black man.
                      17. -2
                        20 January 2024 17: 04
                        It's not for a prostitute to talk about blacks.
                        As usual, I determined everything myself, why did you decide that their allowance is the only source of income?
                        Who are you providing for there? Have the British raised prices for cleaning toilets?
                        Or is your butt the most popular in the area? Me too, the king of homo blowjob.
                        Why write all this, you yourself admitted that you are not responsible for your words, you are an ordinary idle talk, cheap, such people are shunned in any society.
                        Go away, dog, away
                      18. 0
                        20 January 2024 17: 08
                        Who are you providing for there?
                        Well, not your larvae. By the way, will you also be collecting benefits in Russia?
                        cleaning toilets?
                        This is more about your fellow countrymen. I have a profession.
                        Such people are shunned in any society.
                        The beggar is still talking about society. Your society is people of color in social housing neighborhoods.
                      19. -2
                        20 January 2024 17: 18
                        Larvae, is this you by analogy with your family? I hope you don’t have children and never will. Although, where does a fagot have children?
                        Also for me, a count from the trash heap)) a migrant, from impoverished Latvia, most likely not a citizen yet, you’re not up to the task of a natural labus, you imagine)) you, ridiculous nonsense, are so rich and successful that you spent half a day fighting with a white black man from Russia, on a Russian site)) I hope your curator reads this correspondence and will cut your silver coins for stupidity and incompetence) or are you being punished differently?) although this is only a joy for you
                      20. 0
                        20 January 2024 21: 21
                        so rich and successful
                        Enough to eat without handouts, beggar.
                        migrant, from poverty-stricken Latvia
                        You are apparently a Ukrainian. In any case, we are silently envious, “Russian patriot”.
                      21. -1
                        21 January 2024 12: 33
                        These are all beautiful words from a burnt-out migrant, in fact, you can live on benefits, wash toilets illegally, give blowjobs to blacks whom you publicly consider inferior to you, but in fact you please with your butt.
                        I, a citizen of Russia, live with my family in Crimea, from time to time I observe flying drones and missiles, including those supplied to the Ukrainians by Britons and aiming, including British, aircraft from Romanian airspace, in a month I am leaving to fight for my country and I really hope that after Khokhlokistan we will finally take on your pissing island, it’s time to drown this nest of parasites. Where will you run next if you have time??
                        We know people like that, if you survive, you’ll yell at the checkpoint “I’m Russian, let me in!”
                        In the meantime, run, what do you have there, a garbage dump earl, a toilet or a blowjob? Keep busy, don't get distracted)
                      22. 0
                        20 January 2024 15: 09
                        The cons are not mine if anything. The text is short but it doesn't matter.
                      23. -1
                        20 January 2024 15: 54
                        I am not at the age or upbringing for ratings on the Internet to matter to me.
                      24. 0
                        20 January 2024 17: 14
                        wrong upbringing
                        Your upbringing has gushed beautifully out of you. laughing .
                      25. -1
                        20 January 2024 17: 22
                        I switched to your style, it became clearer to you, before that you didn’t understand anything. My life experience allows me to communicate in different ways and with different segments of the population.
                        I try not to communicate with people like you, it’s like getting dirty near a garbage bin, not scary, but disgusting
  23. +5
    2 January 2024 10: 10
    Why don’t either the author of the article or the commentators recall the experience of “pacification” of Chechnya? At the same time, the authorities did not care about the opinions of the population and veterans.
    1. 0
      2 January 2024 12: 31
      The experience is negative - we pay tribute.
      If Russia can still feed 1,4 million parasites, then how will it feed the remaining 35 million? person in/on Ukraine?
      1. +2
        2 January 2024 12: 38
        The experience is negative - we pay tribute.
        If Russia can still feed 1,4 million parasites, then how will it feed the remaining 35 million? person in/on Ukraine?


        Who told you that you need to feed them? Little Russians are the same as Great Russians; their work loves them, unlike Asians and guests from the Caucasus.
      2. 0
        2 January 2024 14: 13
        The experience is negative - we pay tribute.

        And we hand over whoever they want to be killed.
    2. +1
      2 January 2024 12: 36
      Is there enough money for this experience? I'm not sure.
      1. 0
        2 January 2024 13: 00
        Is there enough money for this experience? I'm not sure.


        So, not Asians and Caucasians, they will earn money themselves.
      2. +2
        2 January 2024 13: 34
        There is no industry or agriculture left in Ukraine, the climate is suitable for agriculture and tourism.
        The unification of three countries: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus will also help alleviate the demographic problem (there will be more Slavic population in the Russian Federation) and unite the national economy again into one system, broken after 1991.
    3. -1
      2 January 2024 12: 52
      Pour a lot of money into the restoration of Ukraine? a Ukrainian wedding is driving along the Moscow Ring Road shooting in the air? Gopak on Red Square? and what kind of conditional zaluzhny will declare that Bandera sends him money? I’m afraid there will be another march on Moscow.
      1. +6
        2 January 2024 13: 06
        Pour a lot of money into the restoration of Ukraine? a Ukrainian wedding is driving along the Moscow Ring Road shooting in the air? Gopak on Red Square? and what kind of conditional zaluzhny will declare that Bandera sends him money? I’m afraid there will be another march on Moscow.

        Yes, yes, money should be poured into those who only consume. From those who work, according to the authorities and others like you, you only need to take.
        Have you ever seen a Ukrainian wedding shooting into the air? Or that ethnic Ukrainians demand that the New Year tree be cancelled?
        There is an opinion that you are an exiled Cossack, for whom it is important that the enmity sowed by the United States between the two branches of the Russian people does not disappear.
    4. -1
      2 January 2024 15: 11
      experience of "pacification" of Chechnya.


      Find the Ukrainian Kadyrov and give him complete monopoly control of all of Ukraine?
      1. -1
        20 January 2024 12: 33
        There will be no more Ukraine!
        Just regions within the Russian Federation.
        RF. Lviv region. - sounds and spells great.
  24. +1
    2 January 2024 10: 17
    There is another question: will the military/mobilized Armed Forces of Ukraine receive a disability pension, or just a pension?
  25. +6
    2 January 2024 10: 52
    Putin can’t cope with the problems, and is aiming for another term.
    1. +7
      2 January 2024 11: 44
      Why bother if you can simply blame it on the Soviet communists, the “bad boyars”, on the bad people who, for example, rushed to gorge themselves on eggs, and because of this they rose sharply in price, on the enemies of the USSR in the West and Europe?
  26. +4
    2 January 2024 11: 41
    With the incredible loss of population, they have not only a hole, but a demographic chasm, and in the “new-old” regions of the Russian Federation, Little Russia, Novorossiya and Galicia, there will be a lot of work to do to restore and bring all spheres of life and the economy up to all-Russian standards. Incl. It is more likely that in those regions they will most likely need outside labor.
  27. BAI
    +3
    2 January 2024 11: 53
    I think the top officials (and they are all aged) are putting the migrant problem off for later, when they leave. So that others can disentangle
    1. man
      +1
      2 January 2024 16: 05
      Quote: BAI
      I think the top officials (and they are all aged) are putting the migrant problem off for later, when they leave. So that others can disentangle

      It’s unlikely, they are sure that they are eternal...
  28. 0
    2 January 2024 12: 24
    Well, the Wahhabis are coming!..
  29. +3
    2 January 2024 12: 47
    All this, alas, is from empty to empty.

    They will go, if they are not completely odious individuals. Now, they wrote, Ukrainian women have traveled and are traveling quite well...
    As an example: people from the LDPR went to work in both the Russian Federation and Ukraine. And where should they go if there is no money, no work, and the prices are so high. And now wow. And there’s not much work either.

    The rules of the game are such that ordinary people have nowhere to go..
    It is enough to remember how the heroes of yesterday are instantly forgotten - 33 heroes in Belarus, downed planes in Syria, the Bryansk air incident, the achievements and statements of Prigozhin, General Armageddon, etc.
    Instead of heroes and thrice heroes in the media there are posts of officials from warm offices.
    So it is here. Nobody will ask anyone. Ordinary and old people will go to Russia to work.
    The tainted and the principled will swell the population of the West.
  30. 0
    2 January 2024 12: 52
    The border and migration legislation need to be controlled, then the severity of the issue will decrease. FMS, FSB, Ministry of Internal Affairs - there are so many structures available...
  31. +5
    2 January 2024 13: 23
    Employment of Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans is a matter of the distant future, but Central Asian savages are already a serious problem. Taking into account the insatiable desire of the “management” to bring in another thirty-forty-fifty million of these “specialists”, soon we ourselves will have to look for somewhere to move.
  32. -1
    2 January 2024 14: 40
    Thoughts about the future: will Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans go to work in Russia?

    Author, you shouldn’t get ahead of yourself. We are still on the left bank. And why talk about prospects now? Are you aware of this?
    Dnieper-Carpathian Operation (Battle for Right Bank Ukraine) - a strategic offensive operation of the Red Army during the Great Patriotic War carried out from December 24, 1943 to April 17, 1944 by troops of the 1st Ukrainian, 2nd Ukrainian, 3rd Ukrainian and 4th Ukrainian fronts against German-Italian-Hungarian-Romanian troops under the overall command of Army Groups “South” and “A” with the goal of liberating Right Bank Ukraine. The operation ended in victory for the Soviet Union.
    This is from general internet information. Details can be found in the 12-volume academic publication "History of the Second World War..." Too lazy to climb on the top shelf to see the exact details of the publication. Anyone who has it will understand what we are talking about. Four fronts were liberated - four, Karl! That's about a dozen combined arms armies. Do we have them? I won’t do arithmetic to show how much effort and resources will be required to solve this problem now. Enemies can also count. I don’t presume to predict what’s next, or rather I can, but I won’t, so as not to give information to the enemy, as well as a reason for accusations of profanation of the issue. As for the veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the USSR state security agencies had some experience working with them, although the bastard Khrushchev ruined a lot of things. There are probably materials about this work in the archives. Of course, those that were on the territory of present-day Ukraine went to the CIA, and this is a disaster, but history, as we know, does not have a subjunctive mood, so what happens will happen. sad
  33. +4
    2 January 2024 15: 07
    ...sooner or later the fighting will end, at least in its active phase, and Ukraine, in the event of a military defeat - and it seems inevitable...


    ...And then smart Elsa began to cry and say: “If I marry Hans and we have a child, let him grow up, let us send him to the cellar to draw beer, let this hoe fall on his head, let him be killed to death.” !"
    And so she sat near the barrel and cried and screamed because she was facing inevitable trouble in the future...
    1. man
      +2
      2 January 2024 16: 08
      Quote from: dump22
      ...sooner or later the fighting will end, at least in its active phase, and Ukraine, in the event of a military defeat - and it seems inevitable...


      ...And then smart Elsa began to cry and say: “If I marry Hans and we have a child, let him grow up, let us send him to the cellar to draw beer, let this hoe fall on his head, let him be killed to death.” !"
      And so she sat near the barrel and cried and screamed because she was facing inevitable trouble in the future...


      good laughing
  34. +2
    2 January 2024 15: 11
    Accordingly, after the end of hostilities, a large percentage of young and not so young people who do not have any other specialty other than the ability to handle weapons, and who have, albeit initial, but still some kind of tactical training, having been demobilized from the Armed Forces of Ukraine (or after their collapse) , will begin to return home.
    - all military personnel, past and present, must pass control through a very fine sieve, for this they must undergo military service under a contract - there special officers must sift through this sieve, but those who do not pass control must receive registration, so to speak, at the 101st kilometer,
    Personally, I am pessimistic. Let’s say, I don’t really understand why, with regard to the same migrant problem, the authorities do not follow the path of the Arabian monarchies, where, if I’m not mistaken, representatives of the countries of Southeast Asia come to work, but without the right to obtain citizenship.
    - I agree 100%. All migrants do not come to us because of a good life and are still trying to establish their own rules here. I believe that not all migrants should receive Russian citizenship, and native-born citizens of the Russian Federation should have advantages over newcomers, perhaps this will cause outrage about inequality, but Migrants themselves begin to practice these inequalities! In any case, work with diasporas should be tightened!
    1. +1
      3 January 2024 19: 51
      By the way. I have NEVER heard of immigrants from Ukraine en masse giving nightmares to anyone or telling someone how to live. Their society does not notice at all, in my opinion, in contrast to the mass cases of lawlessness of Gasters from Central Asia.
  35. +6
    2 January 2024 15: 30
    I will not judge what awaits Ukrainian veterans in the future, but I know two things (which every reasonable person can see for himself). Firstly, Russia has a huge demographic problem, look how villages and small towns are being depopulated. Secondly, the Russia we know will soon only be in old films; on the streets of the cities of eastern Russia you will more often see people with Asian features than native Slavs. It frightens me.
  36. 0
    2 January 2024 15: 41
    “Will veterans of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go to work in Russia?” Why not? Firstly, we are truly one people. The Russian language in Ukraine, despite its general ban, is still loved and popular, even among young people, read how Ukrainians are outraged by the fact that the most popular film among young people was our film “The Boy’s Word.” All is not lost, Ukraine needs to be returned to Russia , to work like China and Taiwan, these are our people and our Earth, we must not forget.
    1. -1
      2 January 2024 17: 58
      What? Brother! The Ukrainian language is banned by the Great and Free Russian Federation. Not sensitive. And I wanted to teach language to prisoners of war. Burnt out again.
  37. 0
    2 January 2024 16: 03
    Quote: Stas157

    Shouldn’t migrants simply not be allowed in?
    Tell me, who is stopping you from doing this? State Department or fifth column?

    Anyone who says that Russia is for Russians is [censored] or a provocateur (c) Russian President Putin
  38. +4
    2 January 2024 16: 16

    Be grateful that serfdom was not returned... yet

    Serfdom was returned, albeit with a slightly different sauce. And yes, not all people are serfs, just like in Tsarist Russia. It's called a mortgage. Those. Voluntary slavery among bankers.
  39. 0
    2 January 2024 16: 26
    Where should a Ukrainian Armed Forces veteran go?

    If I told you where, they would ban you...
  40. -1
    2 January 2024 16: 35
    If Zeleboka resets the economy, then the editor doesn’t know how to think about who will do the restoration, or do you think it will be built in just two minutes, so builders and engineer installers will be needed. Moreover, don’t forget, some have to go to prison for a long time for their crimes, that is, artillerymen and missilemen and many officers who are not, in fact, officers. But about other Armed Forces officers, the question is whether they will want to master construction specialties, this is already a question, but such people should not be allowed into Russia, people will not understand who he was in the Northern Military District and will get punched in the face if anything happens, so they destroyed it themselves and you will have to restore it somehow and not go to Russia like this for a big ruble
  41. 0
    2 January 2024 16: 42
    Problem announced by the author
    the influx of yesterday's Ukrainian Armed Forces veterans into Russia after the end of hostilities
    exists rather in his imagination. T.N. Visa-free travel with the EU immediately reduced the attractiveness of the Russian Federation for labor migration of Ukrainians. Where will it come from after the SVO (which still needs to be completed)???
    1. 0
      2 January 2024 16: 46
      Visa-free travel with the EU immediately reduced the attractiveness of the Russian Federation for labor migration of Ukrainians.
      This visa-free visa is for tourists. He did not give Ukrainians the right to work in the EU.
      1. 0
        2 January 2024 17: 30
        True, and yet the numbers indicate exactly this (they are cited by “advisor level 2 (Nikolai)” Today, 08:49)...
  42. +1
    2 January 2024 16: 44
    What do Ukrainians have to do with Central Asian migration? Did they create any social problems in Russia by coming to work? the reason for the worries is unclear.
    The Petliurites were at one time amnestied and even a separate republic was created for them.
  43. -8
    2 January 2024 16: 48
    Quote: RockerMan
    Serfdom was returned, albeit with a slightly different sauce. And yes, not all people are serfs, just like in Tsarist Russia. It's called a mortgage. Those. Voluntary slavery among bankers.

    no one is to blame for them. the majority don’t want to work but want everything and so they take out loans.
    1. +2
      2 January 2024 18: 17
      Quote: VZEM100
      no one is to blame for them. the majority don’t want to work but want everything and so they take out loans.

      Yes Yes! Of course of course. They themselves are to blame for this. But they could, like Uncle Pumpkin from Cipollino’s story, buy a brick once a year and build their own house in old age!
      1. -4
        2 January 2024 18: 37
        there are plenty of opportunities to build a house. And if relatives help, then even more so.
        The main thing is to arrange the plot. you can build cheaper from adobe or some kind of natural stone such as limestone, which, let’s say, is found everywhere in the south. it is placed on clay with the same clay and plastered. Yes, a simple and modest house. Our grandfathers lived in these for hundreds of years.
        For me, it’s better than sitting on the twenty-fifth floor.
    2. 0
      13 January 2024 08: 51
      Anything can happen, a child needs a separate room now and immediately. And never later.
  44. +1
    2 January 2024 17: 27
    The author simply did not see the wipers who looked with joy at the bombed DM "Yunost" in Donetsk. I saw their "bright faces". I saw the "Bright Faces" of the OSCE. My upbringing did not allow me to “load a butt on my mug.” If it weren’t for the late Alexander Vladimirovich, half would have fallen into the ground. Let them pray to Bata, you bastards.
  45. +2
    2 January 2024 18: 01
    The article is reasonable, the questions are correct. But they also apply to us. What will our veterans do, who and what awaits them?
  46. -1
    2 January 2024 18: 10
    Well, there can only be one way out. A ban on entry into the country for males for up to 20 years and for females for up to 19 years.
  47. +1
    2 January 2024 19: 00
    in terms of immigration policy, our government is strong in hindsight((the experience of France and Germany does not teach the Russians anything, or rather, everyone understands everything, but essentially does almost nothing, like “everything will resolve itself somehow” (((will not resolve by sozh
    1. +1
      2 January 2024 20: 07
      The construction complex and housing and communal services need migrants. And in huge quantities. So they act in a direction beneficial to themselves.
  48. 0
    2 January 2024 19: 01
    For a contract. Asian migrants will be no worse
  49. 0
    2 January 2024 19: 27
    Where are the 8 thousand captives of the Armed Forces of Ukraine now, what are they doing? I haven’t heard any talk about an exchange lately.
  50. 0
    2 January 2024 21: 07
    1-2 will be detained, sent to their historical homeland, and 10 more will come from there. Or they will detain 1000 and immediately release them all. But they say that we don’t have democracy - and it’s all rampant.
  51. 0
    2 January 2024 21: 59
    If they are allowed through 2 borders, then I think yes. Many of those who are now fighting were called up for general mobilization. On the other side of the trenches sit the same drivers, teachers, mechanics, carpenters, power engineers, etc.
  52. +2
    2 January 2024 22: 28
    We already have big problems in crime with migrants, and then “not brothers” will come to work and do 100% shit. The cocktail is not good, it’s a Muslim one. Do we need it?
    1. -1
      3 January 2024 00: 07
      You wouldn’t touch religion, I know a lot of Muslims - very good people, and I know some “Orthodox” people from the bad side.
      Russia is international, so be careful with your words.
  53. -1
    3 January 2024 00: 05
    Will we pay pensions to disabled people at VSUK?
  54. 0
    3 January 2024 12: 19
    A big problem will be those returning from the Northern Military District, this always happens after a war and there is no escape from it. An acquaintance has already encountered such people on the road, they are very nervous and it seems to them that someone is driving slowly, they start honking, and then jump out of the car to “teach” how to drive.
    Participants in the conflict from the Ukrainian side are unlikely to go to Russia en masse; I think they will simply be tracked and identified, although of course some of the fighters will penetrate, although there is a high probability that they will operate in the annexed territory.
    Russia needs migrants and there is no way around it, the territory is too large, there are too few workers, and if you look at the statistics, the mortality rate exceeds the birth rate in Russia. The entire population increase is due to new territories and migrants.
    So xenophobia, and often ordinary nationalism, will not lead to good things and will only contribute to the collapse of the state. In relation to migrants, mechanisms are needed to prevent them from living as diasporas. About the Russian language among migrants from Central Asia, many of them speak Russian perfectly, like representatives of other former Soviet republics.
  55. +1
    3 January 2024 15: 14
    A Ukrainian Armed Forces soldier, in principle, should be deprived of the opportunity to live in Russia, even if he is taken from the territory that will go to Russia. Russia doesn't need Nazis; it has enough of its own.
    1. 0
      3 January 2024 19: 47
      And if the Ukrainian Armed Forces took a Russian, an anti-Maidan activist, forcibly tied him up on the street and took him to a training ground and then, threatening him with prison, to the troops, where he was lucky to surrender alive, or he, for example, received a disability - then that’s all for him, the path to Russia is closed forever?
      After all, if you think about it, he was mobilized by the government of the country recognized by the Russian authorities, the laws of which he is obliged to obey - so what is the fault of a person who has never been involved in Russophobic affairs and speeches?
      Otherwise, this is nonsense - the authorities are giving asylum to Bandera, Pravosek, ATO soldier Kiva, and before that hundreds of militiamen are sentenced to deportation???
  56. +2
    3 January 2024 18: 52
    Soon thousands of soldiers will return, they will spit out the murder of people who crossed their interests, and if under Stalin there was an ideological background, now there is only a cult of money and hype. Therefore, organized criminal groups may well form, and our Ministry of Internal Affairs, as shown by the PMC mutiny, can only sit and tremble in its department while armed people control the city.
  57. -1
    6 January 2024 22: 26
    Create a construction detachment from the prisoners and send them to build a bridge to Sakhalin and the railway line.....and in 404 Uzbeks and Koreans.
  58. +2
    7 January 2024 14: 32
    The question is, to put it mildly, premature, don’t you think?
  59. 0
    10 January 2024 11: 40
    Do I understand correctly that the “cold summer of ’53” could happen again?
  60. -1
    12 January 2024 05: 34
    Judging by the rate of mobilization, the number of former Ukrainian Armed Forces will be minimal and not noticeable.
  61. 0
    14 January 2024 04: 29
    The enemy will forever remain an enemy, if you didn’t give him bread, don’t let him into the house. © Chancellor Guy "The enemy will always remain the enemy"