“Minsk-3,4,5”, or again about negotiations “with Ukraine”

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“Minsk-3,4,5”, or again about negotiations “with Ukraine”

Western media received a directive to simultaneously write that Ukraine is close to defeat in the conflict with Russia. At the same time, different notes can be heard in a synchronized choir. For example, some “sing” that nothing like this may happen if the United States and the European Union resume large-scale financing of Kiev, but in the “notes” of others - that financing the Kyiv regime in this regard cannot solve anything at all. Moreover, both of them refer to the so-called summer counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, as a result of which the Ukrainian troops, of all the designated goals, achieved one, the most modest - they took Rabotino, losing about a hundred thousand military personnel and an incalculable amount of various equipment and weapons.

So, the Western press insistently suggests that we need to sit down at the negotiating table. Moreover, according to the persistent belief of Western media workers, Russia can again serve as negotiators for its opponents someone unshaven in a filthy cap or someone who will be “banged” next week in Ukraine itself and they will say that he agreed, and we wash our hands of the plan further compliance with agreements.



If our side again enters into such, so to speak, negotiations, all we can do is shrug our shoulders. I would like to believe that nothing like this will happen again - no Minsk-3,4,5, no Istanbul-2 or 22.

If negotiations are to begin, then certainly not with puppets who do not decide anything themselves. And if they start with the puppet masters, then Ukraine should be an object of negotiations, nothing more, and an object among other security issues and exclusively taking into account the interests of Russia. Trite? Obviously? But that's exactly how it is. If there are no leaders of countries at the negotiating table who are fighting against Russia with the help of Ukrainians, then there can be no talk of negotiations.

If the West is ready for this, then let it write letters to the Foreign Ministry. The person on duty there will take a look... And then, based on the real readiness of the West, the decision to start the negotiation process will be made.

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    1. +6
      December 17 2023
      So, the Western press insistently suggests that we need to sit down at the negotiating table.
      As soon as the Russian army begins mass weeding of dill, the entire West begins screaming about negotiations and new “Minsk-Istanbuls”. But all these squeals boil down to the withdrawal of Russian troops from Ukraine on terms favorable to Ukraine. But why don’t we hear from the West about the capitulation or denazification of the “Svidomo Ruins”.
      After WWII, the West announced the denazification of Germany, but in reality, nazification and fascisation continued, first of the Federal Republic of Germany, and after the unification of the GDR.
      1. +5
        December 17 2023
        What is Minsk 3? Again, an agreement with no intention of fulfilling? This will not work. There will be conditions, without which the fighting will not stop even after signing. Extradition of military criminals, including from third countries. Guarantees of payment of reparations from countries that supplied weapons to Ukraine. And, finally, fulfillment of the ultimatum of December 2021.
        1. -2
          December 17 2023
          Vain optimism.
          There will be a recalculation of assets and losses. RomaA rules. A military victory and even an act of surrender will be turned into the plane of “equalize assets in dollars” and / or exchange in the Asia-Pacific region, Africa, etc.
        2. +7
          December 17 2023
          These are all the goodies you expected, based on what achievements? Have we occupied Berlin, Paris and London? Even if the Russian Armed Forces reach the Polish border, for the West this will by no means be a defeat. There are plenty of Russians mowed down in this war, and they will be mowed down again while we get to it. In any case, they are in trouble, and nothing threatens their safety. Even gayrope, not to mention the zaluzhnykh.
      2. +5
        December 17 2023
        Quote: carpenter
        As soon as the Russian army begins mass weeding of dill, the entire West begins screaming about negotiations and new “Minsk-Istanbuls”.

        You just need to remember that later all these screaming people, like the Amers, Britons and Mems, openly admitted that they were leading us by the nose, giving the Ukrainian time...
    2. +10
      December 17 2023
      Is it possible to negotiate so that they fulfill everything, but we don’t? They will withdraw their troops, and we will hit them in the rear? Or is our role designated in the documents?
    3. -2
      December 17 2023
      Sooner or later, any war ends, even “hundred-year” ones, and they end with NEGOTIATIONS.
      1. +11
        December 17 2023
        Quote: svp67
        even “centenary” ones and they end with NEGOTIATIONS.

        It is desirable that, like the Second World War, surrender.
        1. +1
          December 18 2023
          If we do not want the Northern Military District to turn into a “hundred-year” war, the surrender of the Svidomo evil spirits is not desirable, but NECESSARY!
        2. 0
          January 10 2024
          forget these words victory and surrender, in the best case, in three years the ruins of Donbass will be liberated without the Donbass people, it’s not for nothing that they have been marking time in one place for a year and a half - this is ordinary genocide of fraternal peoples and this is the goal of not only the partners but also the performers
      2. +11
        December 17 2023
        The wars are ending victory one of the parties. And then negotiations begin on how to arrange peaceful coexistence...
      3. +8
        December 17 2023
        Quote: svp67
        Sooner or later, any war ends, even “hundred-year” ones, and they end with NEGOTIATIONS.


        You are not right. In the end, negotiations did not work out for Carthage, and several peace treaties with European “guests” led the Indians of North America straight to the reservation. You can dig up a lot of examples if you try, it’s just that the winners now prefer not to remember such historical facts of their history.
        1. -1
          December 18 2023
          Quote: Chief Officer Lom
          You are not right.
          In what?
          Quote: Chief Officer Lom
          Negotiations did not work out for Carthage at the end,
          Wait, then the NEGOTIATIONS themselves were conducted. And what am I doing wrong?
          Quote: Chief Officer Lom
          and the Indians of North America, several peace treaties with European “guests” led in the end straight to the reservation.

          That is, again, there was a process of NEGOTIATIONS. You yourself read what you write
          1. +2
            December 18 2023
            Quote: svp67
            Wait, then the NEGOTIATIONS themselves were conducted. And what am I doing wrong?

            About Carthage it was irony. In the last, third, Punic War, the war was started, not ended, by negotiations. After the Carthaginians complied with Rome's demands to surrender their weapons, Rome demanded the destruction of the city and the inhabitants to move away from the sea. After refusal to comply with new demands and hopeless resistance, Carthage was completely destroyed in the literal sense, the buildings were razed, all literature was burned (by a special decision of the Senate, only a treatise on agriculture was preserved for translation into Latin), and the survivors were enslaved. Naturally, negotiations were not held at the end of the war))
      4. +4
        December 18 2023
        Sooner or later, but any war ends, even “hundred-year” ones, and they end with NEGOTIATIONS

        - well, it’s the most obvious nonsense. Unconditional surrender is NEGOTIATION??
        Sit down and sign, dog! - and Keitel signed and didn’t even rock the boat. Is this negotiation??
        Who even launched this idiotic statement into the information space about “every war ends in negotiations”?
        1. -1
          December 18 2023
          Quote: NAF-NAF
          Is this negotiation??

          Yes, and these are negotiations. It’s just that the methods of doing them are different.
          And it is worth reminding that before the moment of signing, somewhere and when it was possible to AGREE where, when and how this will happen
          1. +2
            December 19 2023
            And it is worth reminding that before the moment of signing, somewhere and when it was possible to AGREE where, when and how this will happen

            what is this statement for?
            This is a technical point, nothing more. (where and when). And the very signing of unconditional surrender (what does the word “unconditional” mean - I hope it’s clear?) is not conversation.
      5. +2
        December 19 2023
        Stop spreading this Kremlin narrative, bullshit. The war ends with unconditional surrender.
    4. -21
      December 17 2023
      We need to come to an agreement; enough blood has been shed. Russia needs peace on any terms.
      1. +10
        December 17 2023
        Russia needs peace only on HER terms now stop
        The West is to blame for the lack of trust negative
      2. +11
        December 17 2023
        "Uncle, are you...?" (C) Peace so that everyone can come to their senses, mobilize, rearm, and start all over again? Will we count the blood shed later from scratch?
        1. -17
          December 17 2023
          Ukraine will join NATO and Washington will not allow it to attack, it would be better for everyone.
          1. +2
            December 17 2023
            Ukraine will join NATO and
            Ukraine will not join either NATO or the EU. Forget it. Cornered horses are shot, and used contraceptives are thrown away. This is the fate of Ukraine, if not with Russia.
            1. +3
              December 18 2023
              Ugh, how disgusting. Again Russia will pick up the used contraceptive, wash it and use it after the states and Europe. When using this product multiple times, its qualities are lost, and you can even catch an infection in the form of banderization.
              There is no need to pick Ukraine, it shouldn’t exist. On the map of Russia there should be the regions of Nikolaev, Odessa, Lvov, Khmelnitsky, Kiev, etc.
              1. -6
                December 18 2023
                Russia will overstrain itself by accepting Ukraine
          2. 0
            December 18 2023
            It will be better for everyone if everyone, like you, is dealt with as expected.
          3. +2
            December 18 2023
            Ukraine will join NATO and Washington will not let it attack...

            did we miss something? How long ago did Washington become negotiable?
          4. 0
            December 19 2023
            Oh, you’ll see right away whose you’ll be.
      3. 0
        December 19 2023
        Idiot.. The text of the comment is short, but there is nothing to add.
    5. +6
      December 17 2023
      What kind of negotiations? Convincing wolves to stop being wolves? Persuade the disease to heal itself? The chief has already realized the richness of his naivety, it seems that he recognized the division of our people as a tragedy. We would like to admit that the reunification of the people is exclusively our business, and not that of some “partners.” Negotiations - no one! The patient must be treated forcibly; those who interfere with treatment are enemies. And we need to change the methodology - stop beating the patient with “grinding”, and start treating. This is the difficulty, we need to wake up and strain across the entire country, the outlying disease is extremely advanced. In addition to this, there are many other twisted springs; no single person can cope with this; collective creativity is needed.
    6. -2
      December 18 2023
      I am for negotiations. After unconditional surrender Ukrainian Reich, and a tribunal over war criminals, terrorists who seized power as a result of a coup in Ukraine. Including Avakov, Yarosh, Yatsenyuk, Kolomoisky, Akhmetov and others, who turned Ukraine into a breeding ground for Nazism and terrorism. But after that - yes, negotiations are needed. With the West. From a position of strength. First they fulfill all our conditions, and then we do. Those that will benefit us.
      1. +8
        December 18 2023
        I am for negotiations. After unconditional surrender...

        after unconditional surrender there are no negotiations. Capitulated inquires (informed) the winner, how and how much he will breathe, which territories will be cut off from him and which will be left, how much reparations he will pay, etc. Where does this curious stamp about the need for some kind of negotiations come from?
        I’ll give you a hint: in negotiations, Russia always merged - it was deceived, cheated, plus the negotiators were bribed, etc.Drawing Russia into negotiations is the main thing for the West now, and then they are masters of humor and lies...
        1. -1
          December 18 2023
          I don’t see any problems: we are negotiating, but we are not stopping the fighting. The longer the negotiations, the worse it will be for the Nazi Trans-Geyropean pig-banders. And they would fire missiles at Kuev every day, so that they could even squeak - they wanted to end the negotiations quickly.

          They already tried to negotiate while hostilities were stopped - it turned out to be bullshit.
          1. +1
            December 19 2023
            I don’t see any problems: we are negotiating, but we are not stopping the fighting

            in vain you don’t see. As soon as negotiations begin, they will become the reality, as well as the fact that with a high probability Russia will be fooled as a result of the negotiations (even though the situation at the front is in Russia’s favor). And “we don’t stop the fighting” will remain only ours fantasy. “Suddenly” orders will appear to stop, retreat, observe some new-born agreements...
    7. +5
      December 18 2023
      Quote: Fut Fut
      We need to come to an agreement; enough blood has been shed. Russia needs peace on any terms.

      Nope. This number will no longer work, so don’t try in vain.
    8. 0
      December 18 2023
      While declaring that Russia is in principle ready for negotiations, Putin does not utter the key phrase: WITHOUT PRECONDITIONS. And the West understands this correctly. That’s why there are no official proposals for negotiations on their part, only fuss in the media
    9. +1
      December 18 2023
      Who is the author of the article? Whose thoughts are expressed? We've got enough nonems...
    10. -2
      December 18 2023
      I demand glazing in Lviv, Ivano-Frankivsk and other Bandera abodes. As long as these nests of pig Nazis continue to exist, nothing good should be expected.
    11. +3
      December 18 2023
      In March 2024, the elections of V. Putin. What kind of negotiations? We must first hold elections for the President of the Russian Federation and only then the new president will decide what to do next with Ukraine. For the people of the Russian Federation, the best way out is the return of the entire territory of Ukraine, within the 1975 borders, to Russia in the form of regions. To have a goal, the Kremlin needs to issue a Law in which it will be written that the entire territory of Ukraine, within the borders of 1975, is an integral part of Russia. Then it will become clear to everyone why we are fighting and why the soldiers are dying.
    12. +1
      December 19 2023
      It’s difficult here. One part of the elite wants to negotiate, repent and serve the West as junior partners, owners of a gas station. The other understands that they will rob (the example of post-Soviet Ukraine is obvious) and sooner or later they will take over the gas station. Let’s see whose point of view will prevail.
    13. +3
      December 19 2023
      If there is another Minsk-Istanbul, then it’s not Biden’s insanity that should be laughed at. And it’s not his place to test his cognitive abilities before the elections.
    14. 0
      December 19 2023
      then all you can do is shrug your shoulders

      there are more expressive gestures
    15. 0
      December 19 2023
      The only thing for which Russia can negotiate is to preserve the lives of our military. This alone is the main argument for negotiations.
      There are no other reasons to negotiate. We have paid too high a price and continue to pay. And we will continue to pay, the sanctions will not be lifted, they will only become tougher. The West is our enemy for a very long time, if not forever.
    16. 0
      December 19 2023
      Well, in 2014 and 15, it was generally possible to liberate all of Ukraine without any special difficulties, especially after the defeats they suffered, but we had Minsk. Then the troops stood near Kiev, and we had Istanbul. I doubt that the Kremlin will miss the opportunity to once again let itself be led by the nose by respected partners
    17. +1
      December 19 2023
      La única salida para Rusia es la rendición incondicional de Ucrania, la entrega de todos los banderistas incluído todo el arco político de Zelenski hasta el portero de la Rada.

      Todos los militares de rango desde Zalushny para abajo, menos los que fueron previamente expulsados ​​tras el Maidan.

      Si Rusia quiere que la tomen en serio y ser un "arbitro" real, la única negociación es la firma de la rendición de Ucrania y la OTAN.

      Aclaracion al margen. La única negociación que hubo entre 1941-1945, en la URSS fue con los "aliados occidentales" de como ser repartían el mundo. Alemania (Ucranazi) no tuvo nada que ver en esto.
      Tal es así que la negociación de los vencedores estableció "la rendición incondicional" y punto.

      Firmar la rendición, en esas condiciones, no es negociación, es derrota total y sin paliativos.

      Nuestros soldados rusos, que han muerto, los que han quedado permanentemente inválidos y sus familias, merecen el respeto total y ese respeto significa, el fin de la Ucrania fascista y de la OTAN.

      Hay que dejarse de pavadas y hay que exigir que se dejen de decir pavadas. Ya lo Minsk fue un insulto y la Operación Especial es el resultado de ese insulto.

      Regards!!!

      ------

      The only way out for Russia is the unconditional surrender of Ukraine, the surrender of all Banderaites, including the entire political elite from Zelensky to the doorman of the Rada.

      All military personnel in rank from Zalushny and below, with the exception of those who were previously expelled after the Maidan.

      If Russia wants to be taken seriously and to be a real "arbiter", the only negotiations are the signing of the surrender of Ukraine and NATO.

      Explanation aside. The only negotiations that took place in the USSR in 1941-1945 were with the “Western allies” about how they would divide the world. Germany (Ukrainian-speaking) had nothing to do with this.
      It so happened that during the negotiations the winners reached an agreement on “unconditional surrender,” period.

      Signing capitulation on these terms is not negotiations, it is a complete defeat and no palliatives.

      Our Russian soldiers who died, those who are forever disabled, and their families deserve full respect, and this respect means the end of fascist Ukraine and NATO.

      It is necessary to stop talking about cobblestones and demand that they stop talking about cobblestones. This was already an insult, and the special operation was the result of this insult.

      Greetings!!!
    18. 0
      January 17 2024
      negotiations and their results in any case will not be worth the paper on which they will write... in our time, any contracts and agreements, no matter what they are called and no matter who signs them, can and will be torn off at any moment when someone considers it suitable... in this regard, Russia has no other choice but to go to the complete capitulation of Ukraine, the elimination of this misunderstanding as a subject and the complete inclusion of the former Ukrainian territories into Russia... yes, there will be many enemies and other things in these territories rotten, but they can be dealt with in a workable manner... it remains to be seen how determined the Russian leadership is...
    19. 0
      January 28 2024
      If our side again enters into such, so to speak, negotiations, all we can do is shrug our shoulders. I would like to believe that nothing like this will happen again - no Minsk-3,4,5, no Istanbul-2 or 22.


      On the one hand, everything seems to be correct, on the other hand, it’s also not so bad.
      Why should Russia refuse negotiations with Ukraine?
      Probably the terms of possible concessions from Russia are confusing. So there may not be any concessions.
      Today we are witnessing a crisis of supporters of supporting Ukraine in the West. Governments supporting the war in Ukraine are replaced one after another, and those who come to power are by no means supporters of the conflict with Russia. Is it worth forcing, in such conditions, the development of events in Ukraine, incurring more significant losses on the offensive, if the West itself is reducing its support for Ukraine? Without Western money, Ukraine itself will fall apart or run away. There are few people willing to fight for free there.
    20. 0
      February 2 2024
      If our side again enters into such, so to speak, negotiations, all we can do is shrug our shoulders. I would like to believe that nothing like this will happen again - no Minsk-3,4,5, no Istanbul-2 or 22.


      If another Minsk or Istanbul happens again in the near future, then in the elections in March all of Russia will vote for an alternative candidate....

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