V. R. Poplavko - from heaven to armored car

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V. R. Poplavko - from heaven to armored car

Part I. The history of the creation of the first Russian fighter aircraft

foreword


Initially, this story was intended as a chapter in a small historical study telling about the creation of the first production models of Russian and Soviet wheeled off-road vehicles. But in the process of collecting information about the main character of the first chapter, I was struck by the obvious originality and versatility of his personality. That's why historical justice requires a detailed description of his bright life path.



The task was complicated by the fact that information about the hero’s life is very scarce and sometimes contradictory. This story attempts to connect various data with each other through intuition, and to restore individual gaps using creative imagination. But the framework of the narrative rests on clearly recorded historical events.

The story does not pretend to be a historical work. This is a kind of legend, artistic fiction, a kind of attempt to breathe life into the hero of the story, who has not been seen in this world for a long time...

And how well this attempt succeeded is for you, the reader, to judge.

The birth of a hero and the beginning of his military career


The history of Russia is notable for the fact that the first inventions in domestic aeronautics and automobile construction were made by officers.

The first Russian aircraft with wings and a motor was invented by naval officer A. F. Mozhaisky. The first internal combustion engine for an airship was designed in 1884 by naval officer O. S. Kostovich. The first Russian car was designed in 1896 by naval officer V. A. Yakovlev.

And there was another legendary officer in Russia who made a huge contribution to the development of military equipment - V. R. Poplavko.

In that fabulous era, Russian people were patriots of their Motherland, and serving in the Russian army was considered a matter of honor by many. A strict selection process was carried out at military schools; physically strong, energetic and purposeful young men from the best strata of society ended up there. And the unified system of basic education established in them provided young people with a good store of knowledge necessary in military affairs.

Viktor Rodionovich Poplavko (a nobleman of the Poltava province by birth) was born on November 24, 1880 (old style) in Poltava and in his youth chose the main business of his life to serve in the Russian Imperial Army (RIA).

It should be noted that in those years young men became officers in two ways.

Most often, parents first sent the child to the cadet corps, where he received basic military training and got used to living in a barracks situation in a team isolated from the outside world (exit from the corps territory only on “leave days”). From an early age, teachers instilled in children the best traditions of the Russian Army (including the ability to wear a uniform and be proud of it), gave them a good base of basic school knowledge, and paid special attention to physical training.

Then, if the young man did not have the desire to devote himself to some peaceful profession, he “passed the exam” at the cadet school, from where he graduated as an officer, and was sent to the Russian army for further service.

Junkers jokingly called such freshmen “coming from the swamp.”

Much less often, young men entered the cadet school after graduating from regular school; they were jokingly called “those who arrived from the station.” They had difficulty adjusting to their new environment, consisting of former cadets. Lacking proper physical training and the simplest military skills, and also not accustomed to life in the barracks, they could not “get used to” a specific team in a short time, could not withstand the hardships that fell on their shoulders, and with rare exceptions dropped out of the school in the first months of training.

Young Poplavko already at this initial stage of his military career showed his obvious originality. He arrived at the school neither “from the station” nor “from the swamp”.

Victor, as they said then, “entered service” in February 1899 directly into the troops - into the 36th Oryol Infantry Regiment “as a volunteer II category.” That is, in modern terms, he began his service as a simple soldier who joined the army voluntarily.

In April 1899, the young man completed the training team course, and in June 1900 he received his first military distinction - a badge for excellent target shooting.


In August 1900, Poplavko was sent to the Chuguev Infantry and Junker School “to take the entrance exam” and in the same month he was included in the list of junior cadets. Then he was already 19 years old, and among his classmates (yesterday’s cadets) he looked like a kind of experienced “army grandfather”.

In November 1901, Victor was transferred to junior non-commissioned officers of the school.

In August 1902, “after completing a course of science at a military school” in the first category, Poplavko was “renamed” to lieutenant officer and transferred to the 74th Stavropol Infantry Regiment, where he arrived in August of the same year.

Since the school was then still a two-year school, its graduates were promoted to officers not at the school, but upon arrival in the troops after some time, but in the year of graduation.

In December 1902, V. R. Poplavko was promoted to his first officer rank of second lieutenant by the Highest Order and transferred to the 76th Kuban Infantry Regiment, where he arrived on December 25, 1902.

He begins his service as a temporary battalion adjutant. In 1904, the young officer temporarily served as head of the hunting team and commander of the 8th company of the same regiment.

In June 1904, Poplavko was seconded for 6 months to the 74th Stavropol Infantry Regiment “for the benefit of the service.”

However, Victor did not have time to benefit the service in full, since already in October 1904 he was transferred to the 9th Ingria Infantry Regiment, and in December of the same year he became a junior officer of a foot hunting team and took part in the Russo-Japanese War.

It is necessary to clarify here that in combat conditions, hunter teams were small units that were mainly engaged in tactical reconnaissance and sabotage in the immediate rear of the enemy.

Apparently, Victor now found himself in conditions that allowed him to demonstrate with the greatest benefit the best qualities of a combat intelligence officer: courage, determination and the ability to think outside the box.

Apparently, Victor fought bravely, therefore, by order of the troops of the 3rd Manchurian Army dated May 12, 1905 No. 42, he was awarded the Order of St. Anne, 4th degree with the inscription “For bravery”:


And literally 2 months later, in April of the same year, he received the second order - St. Svyatoslav, 3rd degree with swords and bow:


During participation in hostilities in 1904–1905. Poplavko was not wounded or shell-shocked.
In November 1906, V.R. Poplavko was promoted to lieutenant “for his length of service” (in the RIA, length of service in the rank of second lieutenant was 4 years, and the same amount in the rank of lieutenant). On November 24 he turned 26 years old.

After the war, Victor’s career somehow did not work out. Why this happened, one can only guess. I believe that by his nature, like any good military intelligence officer, he was distinguished by excessive dashing, independence and straightforwardness in dealing with his superiors. Which in a combat situation was clearly beneficial to the cause, but in a peaceful situation only aroused the hostility of the authorities. Perhaps that is why his further military career developed somehow too floridly.

In April 1907, for further service, he was sent to the 137th Nezhinsky Infantry Regiment, but for some reason he was again assigned for 6 months. And the regiment was included in the lists of permanent personnel only on September 15, 1907. However, after this he did not have time to serve even six months, and on February 29, 1908 he was suddenly enlisted in the reserve.

But in June 1910, Poplavko returned to military service, now in the 11th Phanagorian Grenadier Regiment. In the same month, he was appointed temporarily acting as regimental quartermaster and at the end of the same year he was confirmed in this completely non-combatant position.
But the following year, 1911, Viktor Rodionovich’s career suddenly took a sharp turn upward, and in the literal sense.

In March of this year, he surrenders his position and is sent... to the city of Sevastopol to the newly established officer school aviation air department fleet, later known as the Kachin Aviation School.

Moreover (which is now difficult to believe) the future military pilot Poplavko had poor eyesight from the time of the cadet school and for this reason wore glasses.

Despite this circumstance (another manifestation of originality), on March 26, 1911, Viktor Rodionovich Poplavko arrives at school, becomes one of the officers of the first intake and already on June 9, 1911 passes the test for the rank of pilot, and on August 6, 1911 he was awarded the rank of pilot- observer.

During training he was in the air for 19 hours and 37 minutes.

Perhaps he had congenital farsightedness, which necessitated the need for glasses only when reading and writing and did not in any way interfere with the control of the airplane.

The newly trained pilot was detached from school on November 16, 1911 and sent to Chita to the 4th Aeronautical Company (April 1912).

On December 15, 1912, Poplavko was promoted to staff captain, in which rank he remained, happily remaining there until the death of the Russian Imperial Army.

In the same year, he received another award - a light bronze medal for the Russo-Japanese War on the Vladimir Ribbon. And in the next - another light bronze medal, now on the Romanov ribbon (in honor of the 300th anniversary of the House of Romanov).

In 1914 (presumably in February) V.R. Poplavko was seconded to the headquarters of the Moscow Military District and was a member of the 4th Aviation Company located in the city of Lida (apparently, he was destined to constantly hang around in the status of a secondee).

The history of the creation of the first Russian fighter


About that period of Viktor Rodionovich’s life, only echoes of heroic deeds have reached us: newspapers wrote about the long flight made by the pilot Viktor Poplavko. They were talking about a terrible plane crash when, due to a breakdown in the air, pilot Poplavko made an emergency landing, and ended up hitting the ground so hard that another pilot, P. A. Samoilo, sitting next to him, had his heels fly off his boots. The airplane was smashed to pieces, but the pilots were not injured - God preserved the pilots for their future exploits.


V. R. Poplavko among colleagues (standing in the center)

The general public of Russia first heard the name of our hero in 1913. And, as befits a truly great man, his appearance on the historical stage was extremely stormy and accompanied by loud noise effects.

One fine summer morning, the sweet dreams of young summer residents basking on feather beds in Serebryany Bor near Moscow were interrupted by the loud roar of an aircraft engine, which was at times accompanied by the angry rattling of a machine gun. The cause of the commotion was a small, nimble airplane, performing incredible somersaults in the air over the nearby Khodynskoe field and, as it performed maneuvers, rushing over the very roofs of the dachas hidden under the pine trees. He then quickly soared up, then fell down like a kite and, in a low-level flight, rushed literally a few meters above the ground.

At that time, no one knew that this dashing military pilot Viktor Poplavko was demonstrating to the “highest commission” the new tactics he had developed for using airplanes to destroy enemy personnel.

It is necessary to explain that in those years, at the dawn of aviation, the main task of military airplanes was to conduct aerial reconnaissance: the airplane flew over the line of enemy defense, the observer sitting in front marked the enemy’s fortifications on a layout map, and the pilot behind him controlled the aircraft.

The aviation task also included adjusting artillery fire and bombing. But the latter was concomitant; at that time airplanes could not carry heavy bombs on board.

If a Russian airplane met an enemy airplane in flight, then at best the pilots could arrange an “air duel”, shooting at each other with service revolvers to no avail.

Viktor Rodionovich Poplavko came up with a reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane. He installed a Maxim machine gun on a special turret in front of the observer. Now the observer turned part-time into an air gunner: in the process he could shoot down with a machine gun an enemy airplane that had foolishly found itself on a collision course, or use machine-gun fire to comb through some column of enemy soldiers moving along the road.

After conducting several test flights and testing out his invention, Poplavko decided to clearly demonstrate to the command the operation of his device with a view to its further implementation on Russian military airplanes. The Khodynskoye field near Moscow was chosen for the display.

Victor put the best pilot from his squad behind the controls, and, remembering his dashing infantry youth, he took up the machine gun. After this, the complete end of the world began: the airplane roared over the field, and Victor dashed in short bursts at the targets. Having fired all the ammunition, the airplane came in to land, and after a few minutes there was silence.

After some time, beautiful lacquer carriages with gilded coats of arms began to roll up to the Khodynskoe field one after another. This was a parliamentary delegation from summer residents, consisting of the most beautiful and influential ladies of high society. They were in tears, terribly indignant and demanded that the generals immediately stop “this whole nightmare.” And some seriously frightened noble ladies even threatened to complain to the Tsar himself (!).

Alarmed by such an unexpected turn of events, the inspecting generals immediately sent orderlies to the buffet for fruit and champagne, and they themselves began to gallantly calm the gentle ladies and their tremulous daughters. Little by little, things began to improve: the tears dried up, smiles appeared, and in some wonderful women’s eyes, sly little devils even began to jump.

Soon, a woman’s laughter, so unusual here, began to be heard over the Khodynka field, glasses clinked, fiery speeches sounded (Oh, mon general, you were so brave... madame, allow me your glass... mesdemoiselles, if you please, taste the pineapple, real honey...).

The resulting idyll was ruined by Poplavko. He somehow quietly approached from the side and, hiding a sly smile in his thick mustache, announced that he would convincingly ask the respectable company not to disperse. In a few minutes, the second part of the performance will begin, in which he will show the respected public how, with the help of a fire device he invented, one can shoot down enemy airplanes in the air.

Here the ladies, without saying a word, roared in unison, the senior officers, breathless, began to furiously wave their fists in the air, and the head of the airfield summed it up: “Here, by the way, is an aircraft park, not a cemetery for downed airplanes.”

With this, Poplavko’s flights were successfully completed, but in vain...

But then, none of those present even suspected that a significant historical event was taking place before their eyes - the birth of the first Russian fighter, and this short, mustachioed officer was its creator.


Later, at a friendly officers’ party, Victor’s bosom friend and fellow daredevil Pyotr Nikolaevich Nesterov, with a slight note of envy, will say to the pilots of his squad: “Well done Vitenka! He clearly showed everyone that a machine gun on an airplane is not a superfluous thing. Only here’s the catch - he would also try to shoot back dashingly from my airplane.”

The fact was that the Poplavko airplane of the Farman-15 model had a propeller at the rear, and the gondola in which the crew was located was located at the front, so nothing interfered with the firing. But on the Nieuport, on which Nesterov flew, the propeller was located in front, and not a single sane pilot at that time thought of shooting through the propeller.

Of course, this very funny story is the author’s fiction (may the reader forgive him for this). However, it is reliably known that the RIA military pilot V.R. Poplavko in 1913 repeatedly demonstrated to various commissions at different airfields his airplane, armed with a machine gun. But, surprisingly, such an important invention for Russian military aviation was not used.

However, there was nothing surprising in this. In those years, among the high command of the Russian army there were many German agents, doing their best to slow down all useful innovations. And there were also plenty of simple-minded people among the generals.

As a result, the final conclusion was made: “The use of a machine gun on an airplane is impractical and extremely dangerous, since the strong vibration that occurs during shooting can lead to its destruction and death.”

Victor Poplavko's invention was shelved.

And only in 1916 the first fighter squadrons were formed in the RIA. Therefore, 1916 is considered the year of birth of Russian fighter aviation, although in fact the initiator of this endeavor was Viktor Rodionovich Poplavko back in 1913.


V. R. Poplavko at the airplane propeller (standing on the right)
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  1. +3
    14 December 2023 05: 29
    V. R. Poplavko among colleagues

    This photograph shows military personnel with bands on their caps of different colors. What were the colors of the bands back then?
    1. +11
      14 December 2023 11: 05
      What were the colors of the bands back then?

      In the 1st regiment of the division the cap band is red, in the 2nd - blue, in the 3rd - white and in the 4th - green. A four-color scheme for distinguishing regiments in an infantry division by the color of their cap bands was introduced in 1856.
      1. +4
        14 December 2023 11: 23
        Quote: Dekabrist
        Four-color scheme for distinguishing regiments

        I always believed that the color of the bands and buttonholes, as in the Soviet Army, was determined by involvement in the branch of the military. Thank you
      2. 0
        15 December 2023 16: 38
        Plus black bands in artillery and engineering units.
        At the time of its appearance, aviation itself was classified as an engineering force, and military personnel who initially entered and were listed on the lists of aviation and aeronautical formations wore the colors of engineers.
        But the majority of pilot officers were seconded from other branches of the military and wore not only shoulder straps and caps at their old place of duty, but also insignia of their branches of service in addition to flight emblems.
      3. 0
        15 December 2023 16: 38
        Plus black bands in artillery and engineering units.
        At the time of its appearance, aviation itself was classified as an engineering force, and military personnel who initially entered and were listed on the lists of aviation and aeronautical formations wore the colors of engineers.
        But the majority of pilot officers were seconded from other branches of the military and wore not only shoulder straps and caps at their old place of duty, but also insignia of their branches of service in addition to flight emblems.
    2. +2
      14 December 2023 12: 04
      The two officers in the photo have apparently blue bands - both are pilots.
      The photo on the Internet appears to be Officers of the 23rd Aviation Detachment and ranks of the 4th Siberian Aeronautical Company. 1913
      1. +5
        14 December 2023 12: 39
        The two officers in the photo appear to have blue bands.

        There were no blue bands in RIA. They appeared in the Red Army in 1940, at first only among the generals. In 1913, pilots had uniforms similar to those of the engineering troops.
        1. 0
          14 December 2023 14: 58
          I do not insist on the accuracy of my conclusion, but I want to note that the cap bands of two pilots are clearly light, while the rest of the officers are dark
          1. +2
            14 December 2023 16: 33
            but I want to note that the bands of the caps of the two pilots are clearly light

            And what should the white bands be - dark?
          2. 0
            15 December 2023 16: 40
            Aviation in the Russian Empire was not separated into a separate branch of the military and therefore, by definition, did not have its own colors. The pilots, as well as the armored units later, were part of the engineering troops.
  2. +8
    14 December 2023 06: 12
    The first Russian fighter RBVZ-S-16, developed by Sikorsky in 1914, was based on the English Sopvich - Tabloid. The first fighter in the world and in Russia, equipped with a synchronizer for firing through the propeller disc. The synchronizer was developed in 1915 by Lieutenant G.I. Lavrov.
    1. 0
      15 December 2023 19: 38
      The first Russian fighter RBVZ-S-16, developed by Sikorsky
      Let me clarify: the first serial fighter
      Poplavko made a prototype - a prototype and is considered the first Russian pilot to install a machine gun on an airplane on a special turret and test his design by shooting during flight
      1. 0
        15 December 2023 22: 47
        The generals, then and now, suffer from healthy conservatism.
        It is more important to please the ladies of the world than to promote persistent, talented (?) lieutenants to their positions, all for the sake of a career, not victory
  3. +14
    14 December 2023 08: 17
    On the site you can open a new section - “History, sucked out of thin air”, in which local graphomaniacs from history will be able to realize their varied fantasies without misleading readers.
    Note to the author. Taking on the task of writing an article on the history of something in such an ignorant state in relation to the topic being described is bad form and disrespect for the reader.
    Firstly, installing a machine gun on an aircraft does not turn it not only into a fighter, but even into a military aircraft in general.
    Secondly - "a smart idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane" has come "to the head" not Poplavko, but the organizers of the Third Russian Military Airplane Competition, which took place in September - October 1913 in St. Petersburg, at the Korpus Airfield. The conditions of the competition for the “dawn of aviation” were very serious - the airplane had to fly for at least 3 hours at a speed of at least 80 km/h, carry machine guns and bombs, foreign participants were allowed to participate only with the obligation to open, in case of victory, production aircraft in the Russian Empire.
    15 aircraft were declared. Of these, there were three with machine gun mounts - all assemblies of the Moscow Dux plant - Farman-15, Meller-I and Dux No. 2. The attached photo shows "Meller-I" with a machine gun mount.
    Unfortunately, due to breakdowns and accidents, none of these aircraft fulfilled the conditions of the competition. Accordingly, it was not possible to demonstrate the capabilities of small arms. "Farman-15" Poplavko did not reach St. Petersburg at all; due to engine failure, he fell on the road. The pilot was not injured.
    Regarding the statement -
    At that time, airplanes could not carry heavy bombs.

    At that time, airplanes did not yet carry any bomb weight due to the lack of any. It was in 1913, during the First Balkan War, that the first attempts were made to bomb improvised “grenades,” as they were then called. Photo attached.
    1. 0
      14 December 2023 12: 16
      Firstly, installing a machine gun on an aircraft does not turn it not only into a fighter, but even into a military aircraft in general.
      and doesn't even turn it into a plane laughing
      Dear, I have long noticed that on this site the number of critics goes beyond all unreasonable limits
      Secondly, the “reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane” came not to Poplavko, but to the organizers of the Third Russian
      Are you sure of this?
      We stood next to the chronometer and noted the time every second; who came up with what idea when?
      At that time, airplanes did not yet carry any bomb weight due to the lack of any.
      I agree here - I got a little ahead of myself with bombing; before 1914, only grenades were thrown from airplanes
      1. +11
        14 December 2023 12: 25
        on this site the number of critics goes beyond all unreasonable limits

        There are very few normal critics left on the site, as well as normal authors (you can count these on one hand).
        Where in the article does it say that they could?

        Don't you remember your own text? Or there is an unknown meaning hidden from everyone.
        But the latter was concomitant; at that time airplanes could not carry heavy bombs on board.

        Try yourself with such “works” on the “Fantasy Lovers Club” website. They will appreciate it there.
        1. 0
          14 December 2023 15: 07
          There are very few normal critics left on the site
          and your critical comments are clear proof of this.
          Why did you provide information about the Third Russian Military Airplane Competition, which took place in September - October 1913 of the year?
          Perhaps you would like to state that this particular one, carried out in September the competition prompted Poplavko to begin experiments with a machine gun on an airplane spring (or maybe earlier) 1913? feel
          Don't you remember your own text? Or does it have an unknown meaning hidden from everyone?
          There is no hidden meaning - it is written as accurately as possible.
          I can also tell you that if in 1913 there were no aerial bombs, this did not limit opportunity applications by letnabs regular hand bombs.
          I don’t see any point in developing this branch further - the article is not about the creation of the first bomber
          1. +6
            14 December 2023 15: 53
            this did not limit the possibility of flying bombs using conventional hand bombs.

            Your attempts to object brought back memories of Sholokhov’s “Virgin Soil Upturned,” where one of the characters described similar attempts very accurately: “The bastard spun around, like a monster under a pitchfork!”
            1. 0
              14 December 2023 16: 46
              “The bastard spun around like a monster under a pitchfork!”
              Colleague, there is no need to resort to demagoguery when there is nothing to argue in essence.
              And for the future, I recommend that when reading my publications, you read more carefully and take what is written literally - I don’t hide anything between the lines and am always ready to admit a mistake if it really is a mistake.
              And I’ll repeat it again especially for you:

              1. The fact is that in autumn 1913, the Third Russian competition of military airplanes was held, where several prototypes with machine guns were presented, does not make it wrong to say that “the reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane” by installing a machine gun came “to the mind” of Poplavko much earlier, who (as far as can be judged) began test flights on an airplane with a machine gun spring November 1913, XNUMX

              2. The fact that aerial bombs had not yet been produced in 1913 does not at all indicate the impossibility of using airplanes of those years for bombing.

              Next time, take your time with your criticism. hi
              1. +4
                14 December 2023 17: 00
                does not make it wrong to say that “a reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane” came to Poplavko’s head a little earlier

                While there is no documentary evidence, this is not a statement, but an unsubstantiated version of a certain individual, nothing more.
                1. 0
                  14 December 2023 17: 14
                  There is no documentary evidence yet

                  Do you even understand the ridiculousness of your demand?
                  What kind of documentary evidence can there be for this fragment:
                  Viktor Rodionovich Poplavko came up with a reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane.

                  If in the summer of 1913 he had already flown an airplane with a machine gun installed on his own initiative (as evidence has been preserved), then it is quite reasonable to assume that it was he who came up with such an idea.
                  And if you do not agree with this conclusion, then try to refute it with reason, but not as ridiculously as you tried the first time hi
                  1. +4
                    14 December 2023 17: 25
                    Do you even understand the ridiculousness of your demand?

                    That is, you consider the requirement to support an assumption with facts ridiculous?
                    However! This is something revolutionary in science. As in the famous joke, we take gentlemen at their word. Bravo!
                2. +1
                  15 December 2023 22: 59
                  About your rightness and the genius of both.
                  There was a permanent revolution going on. Everyone was against the old world: commoners, philistines, millionaires, etc. Guchkov and Rldzianko overthrew the princes and the class system. They were supported by all the lower classes. The RSDRP went much further.
                  BUT against the top.
                  PMV showed the slowness of the very top.
                  The officialdom has rotted.
                  Refusal to obey him was evident in all sectors of society.
                  Next to the official competitions for funding there were such as float and non-float.
                  Initiatives, without insurance and premiums rimk life
          2. +3
            14 December 2023 16: 31
            "did not limit the possibility of flying bombs using conventional hand bombs"
            that is, either they could or they couldn’t. and what are ordinary hand bombs?
            1. 0
              14 December 2023 17: 43
              that is, either they could or they couldn’t. and what are ordinary hand bombs?
              hand bombs are explosive devices of various designs that were thrown manually to kill people (in particular, Russian terrorists), later they were improved and began to be called grenades:
              At the beginning of the XNUMXth century. Hand grenades and rifle (gun) grenades were also commonly called bombs or bombs. Moreover, the expression “airplane bomb” originally meant, in fact, a heavy hand grenade, which was dropped by pilots from airplanes.

              The massive use of bombs from airplanes began with the beginning of the First World War, but before that the possibility of such use was considered
              1. +2
                14 December 2023 17: 59
                "hand bombs are explosive devices of various designs that were thrown manually to kill people (in particular, Russian terrorists"
                Were they produced by industry, or were pilots assembling them themselves, in their free time from flying? you are imagining something. and experts write: “Nevertheless, by August 1914, that is, the beginning of the First World War, not a single country in the world had serial aircraft bombs. Even in the first year of the war, mostly home-made ones were used.”
                flechettes, as I already said, were still far from bombs
                1. +1
                  14 December 2023 18: 06
                  then you are fantasizing. and experts write: “Nevertheless, by August 1914, that is, the beginning of the First World War, not a single country in the world had serial aircraft bombs.

                  Hmmm, another critic
                  And when I argued that in 1913 serial bombs were used??

                  Вот публикация http://авиару.рф/aviamuseum/aviatsiya/nachalo-aviastroeniya-v-rossijskoj-imperii-2/konkursy-voennyh-aeroplanov-v-sankt-peterburge/konkurs-voennyh-aeroplanov-1913-goda/?ysclid=lq4z9y02m161269005

                  it says:
                  In September 1913, in St. Petersburg, at the Korpus Airfield, an international competition was held for the best model of a military aircraft, which was to become the main apparatus of the Russian Air Fleet. The conditions of the competition were quite strict: the airplane had to fly for at least 3 hours at a speed of at least 80 km/h and carry machine guns and bombs.
                  ...The commission especially highly appreciated its military properties. It was recognized as the most convenient for observing, photographing, bombing
                  No one claimed that they were AIR Bombs - read the texts carefully
                  1. +3
                    14 December 2023 18: 11
                    “And when did I claim that serial aerial bombs were used in 1913???”
                    and if not serial, and one-time, then they just threw bricks from above. and what fell from above should not be called aerial bombs. they were just infantry grenades. and again - during the First World War
                    1. 0
                      14 December 2023 18: 51
                      and what fell from above should not be called aerial bombs.

                      No one claimed that these were AIR bombs - read the texts carefully
          3. +8
            14 December 2023 16: 55
            Why did you provide information about the Third Russian Military Aeroplane Competition, which took place in September - October 1913?
            Maybe you want to say that it was this competition held in September that prompted Poplavko to begin experiments with a machine gun on an airplane in the spring (and maybe earlier) of 1913?

            Where did you see the information that Poplavko conducted such experiments at all? Provide a link to the document, not your assumptions.
            Can you document that Poplavko actually took any constructive part in arming the airplanes of the Dux plant that were being prepared for the competition?
            I recommend that you read the article by N.N. in the News of the Imperial Nicholas Military Academy. Rodkevich "Military Aviation Troops", at least the paragraph "Combat in the Air", published in July 1913. Maybe this will somehow dispel your fantasies.
            1. 0
              14 December 2023 17: 51
              Where did you see the information that Poplavko conducted such experiments at all?
              I won’t even twitch - I don’t see the point in having a meaningless discussion with you, because I foresee in advance that it will end with your unfounded statements about the unreliability of the facts in the publications I cited.

              However, I note that mixing that in the summer of 1913 Poplavko demonstrated an airplane with a machine gun installed in flights over the Khodynka field, until now it has not been disputed by anyone, therefore, I suggest you become a pioneer in this matter hi
              1. +2
                14 December 2023 17: 55
                the information that in the summer of 1913 Poplavko demonstrated an airplane with a machine gun installed in flights over the Khodynka field has not been disputed by anyone until now

                So I don’t dispute them either. I'm just asking for a link to the source of information. "Name, sister, name!"
                Where can you see this “information”?! Naturally, Zen and LiveJournal should not be offered. Just one line - and the question is closed! And you’ve already written a whole volume. Nothing.
                1. 0
                  14 December 2023 18: 11
                  Where can I see this “information”?

                  "Military History Magazine" - No. 1 2010
                  Soldatova Olga Nikolaevna - head of the department of information support and publication of archival documents of the branch of the Russian State Archive of Scientific and Technical Documentation, Candidate of Historical Sciences

                  From the history of the creation of aviation weapons in 1920-1946.

                  According to documents of the branch of the Russian State Archive of Scientific and Technical Documentation

                  The idea of ​​arming an aircraft with automatic small arms for air combat was born in Russia. In 1909 A.A. Porokhovshchikov developed the design of the first aircraft equipped with a machine gun. At the beginning of 1913, the Russian military pilot Poplavko installed a machine gun on the plane and conducted test firing at ground targets.
                  There are other publications, but I don’t see the point in citing them, because
                  I don’t see the point in having a meaningless discussion with you, because I foresee in advance that it will end with your unfounded statements about the unreliability of the facts in the publications I cited.
                  1. +2
                    14 December 2023 18: 28
                    Book "Air Combat Weapons". Author: Candidate of Technical Sciences, retired colonel-engineer D. I. Romanov Chapter 1. The origin of air combat weapons (before 1914).
                    The first armed small arms built into the design were the airplanes of engineer I.I. Sikorsky S-X and S-XI, which took part in the St. Petersburg competition of 1913.
                    In the same year, in August, enthusiast Lieutenant R.V. Poplavko installed a Maxim machine gun on the Farman-XV aircraft in the forward part of the fuselage.
                  2. 0
                    14 December 2023 18: 28
                    Oh, the discussion is becoming constructive.
                    1. 0
                      14 December 2023 18: 59
                      The first armed small arms built into the design were the airplanes of engineer I.I. Sikorsky S-X and S-XI, which took part in the St. Petersburg competition of 1913
                      How does the author prove this conclusion, what historical document?
                      Do you have information that Sikorsky designed a model with a machine gun earlier than Poplavko?
                      Photo of the Sikorsky S-10 aircraft with a machine gun and can you provide information about its exact dating?
                      1. +2
                        14 December 2023 19: 08
                        We have to keep the queue. Besides the article in the magazine of a person who is far from aviation, you have not yet presented any documents. I’m already ahead of you in terms of literature.
                      2. +1
                        14 December 2023 19: 53
                        Besides the article in the magazine of a person who is far from aviation, you have not yet presented any documents.
                        Well, you see - everything ended exactly as I expected:
                        I don’t see the point in having a meaningless discussion with you, because I foresee in advance that it will end with your unfounded statements about the unreliability of the facts in the publications I cited.
                        At least for starters, you need to take literally what is written in the sources, to a cat. you refer to them yourself.
                        Not only is the author of your source does not support what is written with any documents, he also writes:
                        The first armed small arms, built into the design were the airplanes of engineer I.I. Sikorsky S-X and S-XI, which took part in the St. Petersburg competition in 1913
                        .small arms does not mean at all that on its S-10 submitted to the competition there was a machine gun
                        At least in publication Military airplane competition of 1913. there is not a word about installing machine guns on this model, and the machine gun is not visible in the photo.
                        Therefore, I will repeat my questions:
                        Do you have information that Sikorsky designed a model with a machine gun earlier than Poplavko?
                        Can you provide a photo of the Sikorsky S-10 aircraft with a machine gun and information about its exact dating?
                      3. +2
                        14 December 2023 20: 06
                        Well, you see - everything ended exactly as I expected.

                        Absolutely agree. Everything was predictable. The author, unable to provide clear evidence of his version, switched to the personal qualities of his opponent, although, as we know, ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat; negantis nulla probatio est.
                      4. +1
                        14 December 2023 20: 20
                        The author, having failed to provide clear evidence of his version
                        Well, that's what I thought you can't answer my specific questions and you will go into demagoguery.
                        Do you not read my posts or do you immediately forget what you read?
                        In your opinion, this is not proof, is it?
                        "Military History Magazine" - No. 1 2010
                        Olga Nikolaevna Soldatova – head of the information support and publication department archival documents of the branch of the Russian State Archive scientific and technical documentation, candidate of historical sciences

                        From the history of the creation of aviation weapons in 1920-1946.

                        According to documents of the branch of the Russian State Archive of Scientific and Technical Documentation

                        ...At the beginning of 1913, the Russian military pilot Poplavko installed a machine gun on the plane and conducted test firing at ground targets.
                        That's it, okay, we won't be able to have a productive discussion - I wish you good luck! hi
                      5. +1
                        14 December 2023 20: 25
                        Do you not read my posts or do you immediately forget what you read?

                        It’s you who don’t read your sources, but I read them carefully.
                        Therefore I see that
                        According to documents of the branch of the Russian State Archive of Scientific and Technical Documentation

                        this is about the period 1920-1946. The subject of the dispute does not fall under this jurisdiction.
  4. +5
    14 December 2023 08: 37
    It is somehow difficult to call Farman and Nieuport Russian. If Nieuport can be classified as fighters, Farman is more like a light bomber and reconnaissance aircraft. It is interesting how the author will describe the activities of V. R. Poplavko in the period from 1917 to 1921.
    1. +8
      14 December 2023 08: 39
      It is interesting how the author will describe the activities of V. R. Poplavko in the period from 1917 to 1921.

      The author did not read up to this point. Lost in my own fantasies.
      1. +6
        14 December 2023 09: 20
        The author has not read this far
        I think I’ve finished reading, while part one has been published, apparently a continuation awaits us. Moreover, this The story does not pretend to be a historical work. This is a kind of legend, artistic fiction according to the author. smile
      2. +2
        14 December 2023 12: 33
        At that time, airplanes did not yet carry any bomb weight due to the lack of any.
        Which fantasies exactly?
        What's wrong with Poplavko's service history at RIA?
        Will specific criticism follow, or is there, as usual at VO, indiscriminate criticism?
        1. +7
          14 December 2023 12: 44
          Which fantasies exactly?

          In the violent
          About that period of Viktor Rodionovich’s life
        2. +4
          14 December 2023 13: 01
          And where did you see the sweeping criticism? Not a single comment has any doubt about the history of Poplavko’s service in RIA. What you are writing about is Poplavko’s attempt to install a machine gun on Farman. But this did not make Farman a fighter. Light attack aircraft, bomber, well, more back and forth with a stretch, well, not like a fighter. And Poplavko, Farman did not invent.
          1. -1
            14 December 2023 15: 29
            And Poplavko, Farman did not invent.
            Where in the article does it say that he invented it?
            But this did not make Farman a fighter. Light attack aircraft, bomber
            Dear, any airplane of those years with an installed machine gun is primarily promising for use as a fighter of enemy airplanes, doubtful as an attack aircraft and completely unpromising as a bomber.
            I have long noticed that in discussions at VO it is most difficult to defend the correctness of the obvious.
        3. +2
          14 December 2023 16: 35
          “What fantasies exactly? What’s wrong with the history of Poplavko’s service in the RIA?”
          no one disputes that the float served in the army. The question is whether there were aerial bombs of any weight back then. as far as I remember, back then, flechettes were mainly used
    2. +1
      14 December 2023 12: 29
      Very sparingly - there is practically no reliable information
      1. +4
        14 December 2023 12: 42
        there is practically no reliable information

        What is there no reliable information about - about the period from 1917 onwards?
        1. +1
          14 December 2023 15: 20
          about the period from 1917 onwards?
          Yes
          1. +4
            14 December 2023 16: 41
            Yes

            To put it very mildly, you are disingenuous. Or they really didn’t read Poplavko’s biography to the end.
            1. +1
              14 December 2023 18: 16
              Or they really didn’t read Poplavko’s biography to the end.
              Where did you see reliable a detailed biography of Poplavko describing his life path from 1917 until his death?
              Please indicate source
              1. -1
                14 December 2023 19: 00
                Where have you seen a reliable detailed biography of Poplavko describing his life path from 1917 until his death?
                Please indicate source

                I indicate.
                Book of memoirs "To the Defenders of the Fatherland and the World" History of the HVVKIU.
                Chapter 7. OFFICER DYNASTY OF HVVKIU. Next, see a scan of the page.
                1. +1
                  14 December 2023 19: 18
                  Chapter 7. OFFICER DYNASTY OF HVVKIU. Next, see a scan of the page.
                  Dear, don’t you read what’s written in my posts at all?
                  One more time:
                  Where did you see reliable detailed biography Float describing his life from 1917 until his death?
                  Where in this scan is a DETAILED RELIABLE BIOGRAPHY of Poplavko after 1917 - point your finger

                  There isn’t even a detailed biography before the 17th
                  1. 0
                    14 December 2023 20: 03
                    Firstly, it was a hint where to look. The original will be scanned, and besides, it is in an enemy language.
                    1. +1
                      14 December 2023 20: 25
                      Firstly, it was a hint where to look.
                      well that's what I thought you will end up with demagoguery again - there is no productive discussion
                      In short, you haven’t seen the sources of a detailed, reliable biography of Poplavko - so you would have written directly, why bother Vanka?
                      1. 0
                        14 December 2023 20: 27
                        I have indicated to you the direction of your search, one might say, a guiding thread. And you are all about demagoguery. "Star sickness" is visible. Dangerous thing.
                      2. +1
                        14 December 2023 20: 32
                        At least for starters, you familiarized yourself with what you googled hastily.
                        In the publication that you indicated and posted a scan (Krylovites: fathers - children - grandchildren - great-grandchildren - students and employees of the Krylov N.I. Krylov KhVVKIU) biography of V.R. The float is not presented and is mentioned only in the table that you posted.
                        This is the problem that the data on his life after the 17th is scanty and very contradictory
                      3. 0
                        14 December 2023 21: 09
                        I “don’t Google hastily.” The table provides a hint on what to look for on Ukrainian resources. But you never mastered this moment.
                      4. +2
                        14 December 2023 21: 35
                        The table provides a hint on what to look for on Ukrainian resources.
                        It doesn't say that - don't fantasize.
                        You are a typical Internet critic, of whom more have been added to VO over the past year due to the flow of Zen to this resource

                        And at first I foolishly thought that you were familiar with the history of Russian aviation laughing
                        Truly, even an old woman can get hurt

                        However, you received a great many pluses for your comments from Internet experts like you love
                      5. -1
                        14 December 2023 22: 09
                        It doesn't say that - don't fantasize.

                        But I foolishly thought that you had intelligence and that after reading the text, you would draw the necessary conclusions. But I was seriously mistaken. But no one is immune from mistakes.
                        And I am familiar with the history of Russian aviation. Although this is not my main area of ​​interest. And I’ve never been to Zen.
                        As for criticism, take off your crown, get off the pedestal on which you have placed yourself, write a normal article and no one will criticize you. They will only thank you. And me too.
                      6. +1
                        14 December 2023 23: 33
                        As for criticism, take off your crown
                        typical demagogic approach.

                        I asked you questions earlier:
                        Do you have information that Sikorsky designed a model with a machine gun earlier than Poplavko?
                        Can you provide a photo of the Sikorsky S-10 aircraft with a machine gun and information about its exact dating?
                        Where have you seen a reliable detailed biography of Poplavko describing his life path from 1917 until his death?
                        Please indicate source


                        Specific Answers to these questions will follow from you, or admit it honestly What are you unable to answer? hi

                        (I predict that another one will follow now demagogic post with the words: I HAVE ALREADY GAVE YOU ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS
                        drinks )
                      7. 0
                        15 December 2023 10: 59
                        typical demagogic approach

                        A typical demagogic approach is to beat your head against the wall, lamenting that “you are not able to answer the question,” instead of finding the answer to it. That's your business. Star further.
                      8. +1
                        15 December 2023 12: 54
                        Well, everything is as usual - when a critic does not have compelling arguments, he begins to resort to demagoguery and insults.
                        Dear, information that Sikorsky installed a machine gun on his airplanes in 1913 is in reliable sources not found - apparently you dreamed it.

                        Moreover, if you had even a superficial knowledge of the history of combat aviation, you would have realized that it was certainly possible to install a machine gun on the front of the S-10A and S-11A, but it was impossible to shoot from it without the risk of shooting out the propeller - not yet The synchronizer was invented.
                        But apparently in-depth knowledge of the subject of criticism is clearly not your strong point hi
                      9. 0
                        15 December 2023 13: 36
                        Well everything is as usual

                        Yes, everything is as usual. Your unconditional desire to have the last word in the dispute confirms this. This is a clear sign of inflated self-esteem.
                        By the way, I did not use any offensive language in my comments.
                        But these are lyrics. As for the history of aviation, if you knew it as well as you declare, you would not write nonsense about how you cannot fire a machine gun mounted on a biplane without the risk of shooting out the propeller. A photograph of a biplane with a machine gun, which can be fired without the risk of shooting out the propeller, is attached.
                      10. +1
                        15 December 2023 14: 56
                        A photograph of a biplane with a machine gun, which can be fired without the risk of shooting out the propeller, is attached.
                        Great, now answer: is this a Nesterov biplane that took part in the 1913 competition?
                        In the source that you cited (Chapter 1. The emergence of air combat weapons (before 1914). it is written:
                        “The Model 1903 Madsen machine gun was mounted on a pivot in the center section of the upper wing of the C-XI biplane, above the pilot’s head.”
                        How can you prove that this is the C-XI in the photo???
                        By the way, I did not use any offensive language in my comments.
                        Well, this is the text:
                        That's your business. Star further.
                        I saw it in a dream laughing
                      11. 0
                        15 December 2023 15: 01
                        Well, you are really, how can I put it mildly, fooling your head. Anyone even slightly familiar with the history of aviation understands that this is Nieuport 11. The photograph is given to show how machine guns were installed on a biplane before the invention of the synchronizer, which is what you, an aviation historian, are talking about to this day, apparently. did not know.
                        Second. Pointing out the appearance of high self-esteem and star fever is not an insult, but criticism. Moreover, it is objective. So I say goodbye. I leave the last word with you so as not to hurt your ego. Creative success.
                      12. +2
                        15 December 2023 15: 07
                        Colleague, are you not noticing my questions on purpose or on purpose?
                        I understand the purpose of your posting the photo.
                        And now I will repeat my question in a slightly different form.

                        In the source that you cited (Chapter 1. The emergence of air combat weapons (before 1914). it is written:
                        "The Model 1903 Madsen machine gun was mounted on a pivot in the center section of the upper wing of the C-XI biplane, above the pilot’s head. "

                        Do you think that what was written actually took place?
                      13. +2
                        15 December 2023 20: 59
                        OK, Dekabrist, since you stubbornly avoid answering my question, I’ll explain.
                        The Sikorsky S-XI airplane is monoplane, so the source you cited, where the author calls this airplane, is worthless biplane.
                        Carefully study Googled publications to determine the reliability of the data provided in them.

                        And most importantly, I repeat once again: the fact that in the fall of 1913 a competition was held at which airplanes with permanently mounted machine guns were presented does not at all refute the fact that the idea of ​​​​installing a machine gun on an airplane came to the mind of military pilot V.R. much earlier. Poplavko, who had already flown his experimental airplane in the summer of 1913 and most likely even in the spring of that year.
                      14. 0
                        15 December 2023 22: 04
                        the author calls this airplane a biplane.

                        This is purely a technical typo, nothing more. The author or publisher printed C10 instead of C11.
                        As for the pivot installation on the monoplane, it is in the photo below. This is 1909, by the way. In four years, I think Sikorsky could well have created a similar design.
                      15. +1
                        15 December 2023 22: 29
                        Yes, pay attention, Deperdussin, which is in the photo and C-11 (C.XI) are two-seater.
                      16. +2
                        16 December 2023 00: 22
                        This is purely a technical typo, nothing more. The author or publisher printed C10 instead of C11.
                        There may be a typo, but it is repeated twice.
                        The question is about the quality of the source you cited.
                        In four years, I think Sikorsky could well have created a similar design.
                        Maybe he could, and even created it.
                        The question is when was it created?

                        Information that Poplavko was already testing his airplane with a machine gun in full swing in August 13th found in many sources.
                        But there is no information that Sikorsky made a machine gun on a biplane before the fall of 13th.
                        And there is no photo of his C11 dated in the fall of 13th.
                        For example, in the publication “Military Airplane Competition of 1913.” Photos of its exhibition sample C11 are presented - the machine gun is not visible on it and there are no holes in the plane of the upper wing.
                        Also, the author of the publication does not write that a machine gun was installed on it.

                        I am not writing for the sake of argument - to reflect on the reliability of the source to which you are referring.
                        As for the pivot installation on the monoplane, it is in the photo below. This is 1909, by the way.
                        The photo cannot be taken in 1909 because in the photo the two-seater Deperdussin B was designed in 1912, and the photo of this airplane with a machine gun in the sources dates back to 1914.
                        Read your sources more carefully
                      17. 0
                        16 December 2023 00: 38
                        The two-seater Deperdussin B was designed in 1912.

                        Yeah, only in the report on the Paris Air Show of 1911 for some reason they already write about it.
                        I made a mistake with the year; fundamentally, in terms of the possibility of installing a machine gun on a monoplane, this does not change anything.
                      18. +3
                        16 December 2023 01: 15
                        I saw that some fan of yours swooped in and furiously downvoted all my comments. It’s good that the field marshal is not local, otherwise I would have gone into the red.
                        But I'm talking about something else. Don’t you think that our discussion is very reminiscent of the episode from the film “Beware of the Car,” when Pastor Detochkin answers: “Some say that there is a God, others say that there is no God. Neither one nor the other is unprovable!”
                        In this regard, I was interested in this moment - why are you trying so hard to put me down? You yourself have determined that I am an ordinary Internet critic, of which there are countless, with poor understanding of the issue.
                      19. +2
                        16 December 2023 11: 06
                        Quote: Dekabrist
                        local field marshal

                        Respect! wink wink wink
                      20. +1
                        16 December 2023 11: 39
                        I got the year wrong
                        Well, at least they admitted it, it’s already a huge amount of progress. laughing
                        I saw that some fan of yours swooped in and furiously downvoted all my comments.
                        don’t pay attention, the pros/cons of VO are often given not out of competence, but at the behest of the heart
                        Are you trying so hard to put me down?
                        Your impression is wrong.
                        I conduct polemics solely for the sake of checking the correctness of my beliefs, correcting them in case of reasoned criticism, and for the sake of obtaining new knowledge (information).

                        Poplavko went down in the history of Russian aviation as the first Russian pilot to install a machine gun on an airplane and conduct official tests of his design.
                        His first flights were carried out in Lida, presumably in the spring of 1913.
                        Then Poplavko took the initiative to show his brainchild before the official commission.
                        For this purpose, an airfield was chosen near Moscow on Khodynskoye Field. The tests were not completed due to complaints from summer residents in the village of Serebryany Bor. This was written about in the newspapers, but I can’t say which ones exactly - unfortunately, I lost this information.
                        Then the test was moved to Mozhaisk (or these were new tests) and in August 1913 it was completed, its results were recorded and preserved in the archives and are well known to historians of Russian aviation.

                        So your note:
                        Note to the author. Take on the task of writing an article on the history of something in such an ignorant state in relation to the topic described - this is bad form and disrespect for the reader.
                        it would be more correct to redirect it to you - before attacking the author with criticism, carefully study the topic discussed in the publication so that your criticism was not indiscriminate and funny
                      21. 0
                        16 December 2023 13: 12
                        its results were recorded and preserved in the archives

                        But for some reason, not a single historian of Russian aviation cited these documents. At least links to their numbers in the archives. Or I'm wrong?
                      22. +1
                        16 December 2023 15: 47
                        Or I'm wrong?
                        Yes, as usual.

                        V.Shavrov - History of aircraft designs in the USSR until 1938.
                        France Farman HF.15/16/20 1912
                        ...Lieutenant V.R. Poplavko produced on it first in Russia experiments with a pivot mounting of the Maxim machine gun in the bow of the cockpit.

                        Perov V.I., Rastrenin O.V. Stormtroopers of the Red Army T.1
                        On August 6, 1913, at the Klementyevsky training ground near the city of Mozhaisk, Lieutenant V.R. Poplavko conducted experimental firing in the air at ground targets (infantry on the march - 200 dummies) from a Maxim machine gun mounted on a pivot in the bow cockpit of a Farman F aircraft .15. The pivot mounting made it possible to fire upwards at an angle of 20°, downwards - up to 45°, and to the sides - up to 20°. The shooting showed good results - 8,1% of the total number of bullets fired hit the target.

                        In the collection L.N. Bychkov CHRONICLES OF AVIATION AND AERONAUTICS (Institute of History of Natural Science and Technology of the Russian Academy of Sciences) on page 375 are given direct quotes from the report about the shooting of Poplavko near Mozhaisk.

                        Once again, I note that you are not competent enough in the subject, but this never stops you from criticizing my article good
                      23. +2
                        16 December 2023 16: 40
                        Perov V.I., Rastrenin O.V. Stormtroopers of the Red Army T.1

                        That is, Poplavko did not design a fighter, but an attack aircraft? And we’ve been breaking spears for two days!
                        However, what prevented you from providing these links in the article or right away in the first comment?
                      24. 0
                        16 December 2023 19: 12
                        That is, Poplavko did not design a fighter, but an attack aircraft?
                        There's clearly something wrong with your logic.
                        Then you argued that the “reasonable idea to expand the combat capabilities of the airplane” did not come “to the mind” of Poplavko, who installed a machine gun on his airplane spring 1913, and the organizers of the Third Russian Military Airplane Competition, which took place in September - October 1913 in St. Petersburg laughing

                        Now another passage.
                        The title of the book “Stormtroopers of the Red Army T.1” does not mean that Poplavko designed the attack aircraft. and I can also note that a fighter carrying out an attack does not become an attack aircraft.
                        Poplavko fired at ground and air targets
                        However, what stopped you from providing these links in the article?
                        What for? People familiar with the history of Russian aviation already know about the development of Poplavko, but my article is not a historical work to provide links to sources
                      25. +1
                        16 December 2023 23: 46
                        What for? People familiar with the history of Russian aviation already know about the development of Poplavko, but my article is not a historical work to provide links to sources

                        Oh, you’re being disingenuous... But okay. Once again, creative success. No sarcasm!
    3. 0
      14 December 2023 15: 11
      It’s somehow difficult to call Farman and Nieuport Russian.
      And where in the text are they called Russian?
      Please provide a quote
      1. +2
        14 December 2023 15: 56
        Please provide a quote
        Part I. The history of the creation of the first Russian fighter aircraft
        1. -1
          14 December 2023 16: 10
          It’s somehow difficult to call Farman and Nieuport Russian.

          And where in the text are they called Russian?
          Please provide a quote

          Part I. The history of the creation of the first Russian fighter aircraft
          the names Farman and Nieuport are not included in this quotation. and also there is no word "Russian."
          Dear, let’s not use demagoguery when conducting polemics, it’s not constructive hi
  5. +1
    14 December 2023 14: 55
    Dear author! My criticism will not be sweeping at all. The criticism will be specific, based on just one photo in your work. Let me ask you who, when, where and why took the bow from the Order of St. Stanislaus with swords and a bow, which is in the photo?
    1. +1
      14 December 2023 15: 18
      Criticism on the merits - I inserted the wrong picture due to inattention, thank you for the sensible correction
  6. +2
    14 December 2023 17: 05
    Dear author! I know in the Russian Empire, at the beginning of the 20th century, one medal “100th anniversary of Victory in the Patriotic War of 1812”, which was worn on the Vladimir ribbon.
    You wrote: “In the same year he received another award - a light bronze medal for the Russo-Japanese War on the Vladimir Ribbon.” I’ve never heard of this, never seen it, never read it. Can you provide a link to the source?
    1. 0
      14 December 2023 17: 20
      Here the author also “underread”. The medal "In Memory of the Russian-Japanese War" was established on January 21, 1906 by decree of Emperor Nicholas II in three versions - silver, bronze, dark bronze. The light bronze version was reserved for all military ranks who participated in at least one battle. Medal ribbon - Alexander-Georgievskaya.
      (Military Historical Journal, 1990, No. 9. P. 81-86)
    2. +1
      14 December 2023 18: 28
      and the Russo-Japanese War on the Vladimir tape." I’ve never heard of this, never seen it, never read it. Can you provide a link to the source?
      This is written down in his service record verbatim - perhaps they wrote about the tape by mistake - I can’t say anything here, I’m not an expert on RI awards
  7. Fat
    +2
    15 December 2023 09: 20
    The first Russian car was designed in 1896 by naval officer V. A. Yakovlev.

    hi Leo, you shouldn’t “distort”. It would be better not to include this paragraph of the series “Russia - the Homeland of Elephants” in the article at all. recourse
    Automobile. Yakovlev and Frese, presented at the Nizhny Novgorod Exhibition of 1896 (All-Russian Industrial and Art Exhibition) is not experimental, it is a serial commercial vehicle. The engine and transmission were manufactured by the Yakovlev plant, and the body, chassis and wheels were manufactured by the Frese factory. The car was presented to the imperial couple who visited the exhibition...
    As they now say “import substitution”... at the 100% level.
    “The Journal of Latest Discoveries and Inventions” in 1896 noted a number of significant improvements in the design of the chassis, transmission and car body compared to cars from other companies
    Shugurov L. M., Shirshov V. P. Cars of the Soviet Union. — 2nd ed. - M.: DOSAAF USSR, 1983.
    In 1889, the first liquid fuel internal combustion engine designed by Yakovlev was manufactured, which passed all tests and was even sold at a profit. At the VIII Congress of the Russian Society of Naturalists, Yakovlev made a report on the results of work on creating a liquid fuel engine, which aroused great interest. The newest engine of his design was exhibited in the laboratory of D.I. Mendeleev, who highly appreciated the work of the retired lieutenant. Orders began to arrive and in 1891 twenty engines of Yakovlev’s design were already manufactured. To expand production, instead of a workshop, on April 6, 1891, the “E. A. Yakovlev Machine-Building, Iron and Copper Foundry Plant” was founded, located in St. Petersburg at the address: Bolshaya Spasskaya Street, 28. The plant produced oil, gas and gasoline internal combustion engines , as well as heating systems based on them. The plant was well equipped - it had a 58-horsepower steam engine, a 20-horsepower kerosene engine, and two gas engines with a power of 4 horsepower each. The engine production volume was several dozen engines per year...
    After the death of E.A. Yakovlev in 1898, his companions showed no interest in the internal combustion engine.
    P.A. Frese had to use imported engines.
    1. +1
      15 December 2023 12: 34
      Automobile. Yakovlev and Frese, presented at the Nizhny Novgorod exhibition of 1896 (All-Russian Industrial and Art Exhibition) - not experimental, This is a production commercial vehicle.
      Dear critics, before writing your comments, take the trouble to at least briefly familiarize yourself with the subject you are undertaking to judge.

      Serial car. can only be called if this model was released in series - at least small, at least a dozen in those days.
      Meanwhile, there is information that the Yakovlev and Frese model, presented in 1896, was built in several copies not available.
      In fact, it was not even an experimental model, but an advertising model, like those that are now produced by automakers in single copies and then exhibited at various exhibitions to attract the attention of ordinary people.
      It would be better not to include this paragraph of the series “Russia - the Homeland of Elephants” in the article at all
      Dear, the expression “Russia is the birthplace of elephants” is appropriate when the author of the publication unreasonably claims that something was created in Russia first time in the world
      There is no such thing in my publication - try to read the text thoughtfully
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        15 December 2023 13: 37
        The first Russian car was designed in 1896 by naval officer V. A. Yakovlev.
        Don't deny your words.
        Retired lieutenant Evgeniy Aleksandrovich Yakovlev built internal combustion engines (since 1889), not cars. Pyotr Aleksandrovich Frese (Crew Factory "Frese and Co") was in charge of crews (not only cars).
        The 1886 concept "Yakovlev-Frese" was presented commercially, ready for series. It is not known for certain whether this series happened. No sales data available. After the death of Yakovlev P.A. Frese built cars (and electric cars) for another 12 years until he sold the plant to Russobalt (RBVZ) in 1910.
        Leo, there are 2 inaccuracies in only one sentence of your text.
        1. You attributed the first Russian car only to Yakovlev.
        2. The initials of Evgeniy Alexandrovich were indicated incorrectly
        Read thoroughly enough?
        After this, is your text especially “thoughtfully” read? You have to make “discounts” for quite possible mistakes and figure out what the author actually means. The article is not a commentary - you have more time to figure it out, but you are in a hurry and use “lawyer-legal” methods of discussion. “I didn’t write that” - yeah laughing
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          15 December 2023 14: 39
          Don't deny your words.
          And when did I deny it?????
          The 1886 concept "Yakovlev-Frese" was presented commercially, ready for series. It is not known for certain whether this series happened.
          Since it is unknown, there is not the slightest reason to call this car a production car.
          Will you challenge this? Oh well hi
          After the death of Yakovlev P.A. Frese spent another 12 years building cars.
          and good luck, but this circumstance never makes the car 1896 onwards. serial
          1. You attributed the first Russian car only to Yakovlev.
          I did not write about Frese, but I also did not claim that the av-l was designed by Yakovlev exclusively on his own.
          There was a typo in the initials - here you are absolutely right, that’s right E.A., thank you for the correction
          After this, is your text especially “thoughtfully” read? We have to make “discounts” for quite possible mistakes
          Dear, I have books published by doctors of technical sciences and containing a lot of typos and inaccuracies even after the text was checked by editors.
          This is quite normal, it is not normal when the author stupidly resists when inaccuracies are pointed out to him and assures him that it is written correctly
          If you see any other typos in my article, please point them out, I’ll be grateful.
          You are in a hurry and use “lawyer-legal” methods of discussion.
          I am a proponent of precision in wording and the mandatory use of direct quotation of the opponent's disputed statements.
          Otherwise, the meaning of the discussion disappears and the polemic turns into demagoguery with attribution of one’s own nonsense to the opponent
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            15 December 2023 18: 22
            Retired lieutenant Evgeny Aleksandrovich Yakovlev built internal combustion engines (since 1889), not cars
            And when did I challenge this?

            Colleague, I can bring to your attention that the name “Yakovlev-Frese car” was invented by domestic historians.
            At the Nizhny Novgorod exhibition, this self-running stroller was presented under the name "Self-propelled crew Yakovlev", and not Yakovlev-Frese.
            This allows us to make a very likely assumption that it was Yakovlev who played the main role in the design, so a fragment of the article
            The first Russian car was designed in 1896 by naval officer V. A. Yakovlev.
            is not at all a blunder or nonsense - you found fault in the wrong place where you should have