Middle Eastern visits and new concepts of Russia and the Arabian monarchies

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Middle Eastern visits and new concepts of Russia and the Arabian monarchies

The last few days have been quite eventful, the central one being the official nomination of the Russian leader as a candidate for the presidency. For obvious reasons, there was no surprise here; the only question was choosing a specific date.

However, before this date we could observe several very interesting episodes of international politics. In particular, V. Putin’s rather fleeting, but media-bright visits to Abu Dhabi, then to Riyadh, and then, almost every day, a long five-hour meeting with Iranian President E. Raisi.



The picture for the media during visits to the Middle East, I must admit, turned out to be exceptional.

Firstly, V. Putin was accompanied to his destination by an escort of Su-35S fighters. When the fighter aviation with suspended weapons accompanies the first board over its territory or neutral zone, then this is the norm, but escort until landing in another sovereign jurisdiction without relations of a military-political alliance is an amazing thing.

Secondly, in both cases the reception was provided no less than the royal regulations, and, as they say, “with a plus and from the heart.” Flags, horsemen, volleys of cannons, the sky in the colors of the Russian flag. It all looked very impressive.

However, the meetings themselves, although they took place in a very friendly atmosphere, were very short. This contrast was strong, and the composition of the Russian delegation was also interesting: in addition to the press secretary and functionaries of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, these were: the head of Chechnya R. Kadyrov, the head of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation E. Nabiullina, the Ministry of Industry and Trade D. Manturov, Deputy Prime Minister A. Belousov (economics, national projects, transport, export), presidential assistant M. Oreshkin (economics), Deputy Prime Minister A. Novak (energy), K. Dmitriev (Direct Investment Fund)

We know practically nothing about the results of the meetings, except for general theses on strengthening cooperation and issues of Israel and Palestine. However, E. Nabiullina and the Palestinian question still have some difficulty in reconciling, so let’s note the statement in Abu Dhabi about reaching the “highest point” and take a deeper look.

Despite the paucity of information, there are very good reasons to think that we are seeing a reflection of very serious processes that will have to be examined analytically. And what can help us with this is what is called the “context of events.”

A. Lukashenko’s visit to Beijing, also out of context, looks like just another negotiation, but in the context it becomes clear that we are talking about geopolitical vectors. V. Putin’s speech at the “One Belt and One Road” forum also looks “general”, but in detail and in the same context - nothing less than a geopolitical program.

What could the shortness of the visit mean? With the highest degree of probability, it is the completion of some large preliminary work on one or more specific issues. At the same time, the issues are included in the framework of the big agenda, but in such a way that the big agenda is still defined in general terms. But specific questions “are” quite expensive, since such meetings were required, and from this specificity something more should clearly be born.

In this case, it can be analytically assumed that through very complex coordination it was possible to resolve the issue of settlements in the Russia-India-UAE triangle. Moreover, the result of this process is the transfer of funds into investment flows with the expansion of participation of the UAE and Saudi Arabia, including at the expense of their own funds. The fact that the visits are carried out with such a composition and such regulations means that clearing mechanisms have been found, and preparations have generally been completed.

The visuals that accompanied the meetings become clear if we recall a small but interesting episode on the eve of the visits. Addressing the new ambassadors during the presentation of his credentials, he decently reprimanded the European ambassadors about Russophobia, but it was the new British Ambassador N. Casey who said that he expected that the situation in relations would change for the better.

For some reason, our observers focused on the fact that the Russian leader was holding a “cordon sanitaire,” which hurt British pride. But the fact is that the cordon was common to everyone, and there were representatives of countries that clearly did not suffer from Russophobia. Also in April, everything took place according to a similar pattern, with cordons. But the British themselves in the media are still trying to understand what the Russian president meant after all the attacks and events of recent years.

It is clear that no matter how technically complex and even financially voluminous the issue of raw materials may be, it is still a private issue in itself, and meetings of this kind show that it may well develop from a particular issue into a serious economic and foreign policy factor.

That is, if this analytical interpretation is correct, then we actually have a certain basis where two of the three main oil supplying countries (Russia and Saudi Arabia) are potentially ready for such a level of coordination in order to balance the United States and its suppliers, the UAE acts as a settlement for Russia. an investment center and India a trade hub. Soon we will obviously hear about some digital or quasi-digital tools that these processes provide.

In Beijing, the Russian leader expressed the position that instead of East and West, Moscow intends to move to the South. If everything that happens is not elements of this movement, then what is it?

Let us note that the same logic followed the visit of the Crown Prince of Oman to Moscow, who generally spoke out sharply in an anti-Western vein. And it is in this vein that it is quite logical that among all the new European ambassadors, the Russian leader “reprimanded” the representative of Great Britain least of all. It’s just that this puzzle has not yet been put together in the minds of British observers.

The next visit was much longer in time - the conversation with the President of Iran lasted five hours. And this can be understood if we take into account that, despite all the close cooperation and political interaction, we still have not finalized: an agreement on a free trade zone between Iran and the EAEU and an agreement on cooperation with the EAEU.

The fact is that we still have a temporary agreement on a free trade zone from 2018, which was considered as a quick intermediate option before moving to a full-fledged form.

But in Russia (in certain circles) there is such strong opposition to Russian-Iranian cooperation that something constantly prevented the finalization. All the time: “soon”, “almost”, “a little more”. There was no official talk about the agreements following the meeting, but it was not for nothing that a specific date for signing appeared the next day - December 25.12.2023, XNUMX at a meeting of the Supreme Economic Council of the EAEU.

When in one of the previous articles the author compared trade turnover in different macroeconomic clusters, he set a forecast for turnover with Iran for 2023 of ±4 billion dollars, which is actually a very, very modest figure in the current conditions. However, judging by the analytics in Iran itself, even this will not be achieved; it would be better to cross the $3 billion mark.

But for agricultural products alone we have a potential of $5 billion and above. Iran works very closely with neighboring regions, and Russia and Iran can not only compete for Iraq, but also win this market. And such dynamics, and even for 2022-2023. looks frankly strange against the backdrop of the now “turn to the South”. Working with the south, if we mean India and the Middle East, without Iran is simply technically impossible.

Accordingly, it is understandable that the visit of the Iranian President took the time, since these fences, barriers and brake pads must finally be removed, mutual trade expanded, but the Iranian President also needed to understand the model of the North-South axis on which Russia, Apparently, he hopes to hang the bowls of East and West.

And this is not such a simple question, given the fact that for a long time a kind of “Russia-Iran-China” axis was formed. China comes with the concept of a “Community of a Common Destiny for Humanity”; we have declared our own “Greater Eurasia” and that same “north-south” axis. But these are major changes in future politics.

It is not for nothing that A. Lukashenko, immediately after his visit to Beijing, where he confirmed his commitment to the Chinese concept, went to Abu Dhabi, and this visit took much longer than the Russian delegation. And this is also understandable - everything that happens needs to be realized and assessed.

“Much of what is happening is unexpected for us,”

— Xi Jinping said at a meeting with his Belarusian counterpart.

In general, if you put all this in the form of flowcharts on paper, then the idea of ​​a “north-south axis” itself looks interesting and sensible. After the negotiations between the United States and China, many observers became fixated on the word “dictator,” saying that since Biden’s Xi is a dictator, then the negotiations did not lead to anything. But this is a huge simplification - in fact, the parties in San Francisco quite exchanged opinions on the “five principles” and “five pillars” of what in the future could develop into a game of “peace for two”.

Well, it’s quite logical that India doesn’t want to play this game, the Arabians want to somehow go their own way, and Moscow is somehow not a priori close to the “two-way” ideas. It is also always wise to choose the third between two paths, since it is the third that wins in a fight between two, if the United States and China do not go further than discussing the principles “for two” and end up facing a barrier.

In the form of color block diagrams, all this looks both logical and understandable. But all good and not so intangible essences, as is usually the case, are hidden in nuances and details. In this case, in those vectors whose value formation is available in very specific countries.

The countries of Central Asia have only 1/5 of their foreign trade with Russia, the rest is half with Europe and China. Of Iran's $100 billion foreign trade, Russia's share is about 3% and its trade vector is China. Pakistan, if we take it within the framework of the “axis” - the vector China and Europe. India - domestic market and Europe.

Even Belarus, although it is well integrated into joint trade with us, takes investment and technological resources from China, and Minsk does not hide its eastern (Chinese) vector. The economic model of India, as discussed in one of the previous articles, is such that even if it lends itself to integration, it is with enormous difficulty.

The unity of the economic field is ensured by centripetal connections, not centrifugal ones. And politics is not always a derivative of economics. Practice shows that such a sequence is not an objective pattern today.

There are plenty of examples here, and you don’t have to go far: you can look at the speed with which we ourselves are moving into the Chinese cost zone. What is our political line with Iran and what are our trade turnover? Or take Vietnam and Japan, what policies and where they form the cost. Japan is building ships, is already purchasing Tomahawks against the Chinese threat, and trade is 50% between China and Southeast Asia.

Of course, it is interesting to observe how the United States has been building the idea of ​​an “Indo-Arabian third pole” for years, and how, as a result of the crisis in Palestine (and it is very difficult to resolve under the current political model of Washington), the Arabians and Russians are taking this pole to themselves. Even at the conceptual level. However, it should be noted that although the Americans wanted to rely on Arabian sovereign funds when creating it, the basis here was still high technology and access to American and European markets.

It’s hard to say where to get these technologies if neither India nor Russia, frankly speaking, even have a sufficient industrial base of the past structure to replace the import of at least manufactured goods. The Arabians themselves set a goal over the next decade to make high technology one of the pillars of the economy in addition to black gold.

A plus here, undoubtedly, is the bottomless investment potential of the Arabian funds, which is close to some cosmic mark of $2,3 trillion. That is, the excess of “paper” is huge, and any sensible manager will want to quickly and more reliably convert this into real assets.

But in the current system, someone must act as such a “converter” and open paths for the flow of technologies. Is it really true that we are talking about part of the elite of the British City? In the end, the principle cannot be ruled out: if the United States cannot make this very third pole-balancer, we will dock Russia there and make it ourselves.

This can also be supported by the fact that the total oil potential of this pool of players confidently balances the resources available to the United States. True, with the condition that they de facto control Venezuela’s reserves, but what if they don’t or have poor control? In the future, this may also help in implementing the ideas about “fair capitalization of energy” that are being talked about in Moscow and Riyadh. For the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, this is generally one of the basic software settings.

Let us repeat once again that from the point of view of general ideas, all this looks interesting and will puzzle those who consider a “game for two” as a basic scenario. But this will also puzzle all of Central Asia, Iran, Pakistan, etc.

Here we could rely on the already odious “import substitution” or those programs and declarations that we have made for years regarding integration in the post-Soviet space. But it is what it is.

In general, the end of the year is far from boring. But for now, these ideas are somewhat reminiscent of an ark with resources, which is trying to move between two economic whirlpools, while constantly giving some of the resources to one or the other. The sides of the ark are cracking from centrifugal forces both to the right and to the left, but the ark cannot help but give up resources to the whirlpools; movement and recoil ensure its relative integrity.

We will see how realistic this design is quite soon. Now all processes are moving quickly; in fact, in our politics and economics it takes three years, or maybe more. As a last resort, it is already quite good that mechanisms for converting oil into investments are being developed and Arabian funds are being attracted.
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  1. +1
    11 December 2023 04: 40
    No, well, of course, he gives a powerful five-five.
  2. +1
    11 December 2023 05: 28
    It’s amazing how our foreign policy has turned the googolin up...it’s amazing. what
  3. +5
    11 December 2023 05: 37
    It’s tempting, tempting, but will prices go down? Will there be fewer migrants? etc.
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 09: 11
      It’s tempting, tempting, but will prices go down? Will there be fewer migrants? etc.


      Dear Alexey.

      I won’t speculate: will prices go down or will there be fewer migrants?
      But, judging by the pomp and solemnity of Putin’s reception by the Eastern Authorities, I can assume one thing for sure: the Russian elites at the preliminary diplomatic negotiations were able to convince the receiving parties: Putin will be the President of Russia for a very long time.
      Or strong guarantees were given that Putin’s future successor would continue Russia’s current course.

      So, we can say with confidence: V.V. Putin - “forever”
      (I thought: why spend money on Elections?)
      1. +5
        11 December 2023 14: 56
        were able to convince the receiving parties: Putin will be the President of Russia for a very long time.


        Russian scientists finally found the elixir of longevity and told the Arabs about it?
        Or were Arab doctors allowed to examine the GDP to assess his health?

        strong guarantees were given that Putin’s future successor will continue Russia’s current course.


        Well, to do this, first of all you need to at least name this receiver. And with a living GDP, no one will dare to do this; there are no suicides in our elite.
    2. +3
      11 December 2023 09: 52
      Of course prices will go down, here's an example: "“Rise”: the Verny store in Moscow began selling eggs individually. One egg of the lowest category C3 can be bought for 9 rubles. Previously, piece sales were also discovered in other cities - Orenburg, Novosibirsk and Crimea. Moreover, the prices in some places are huge - in Crimea they charge 200 rubles for a dozen eggs. Prosecutor General Igor Krasnov has already ordered to check why manufacturers are suddenly raising prices by 40% or more." https://secretmag.ru/practice/v-moskve-yaica-prodayut-poshtuchno-av-krymu-za-desyatok-berut-200-rublei-chto-proiskhodit-08-12-2023.htm
      “The record increase in prices for eggs and chicken has led to the appearance of a new product in stores - the sale of eggs by the piece. So they began to be sold not only in the regions, but also in Moscow. The Prosecutor General’s Office has already become interested in the price increase, and experts name various reasons for the rise in price: from inflation to an outbreak bird flu. The Russian Poultry Union noted a vicious circle: Russians buy more eggs and chicken because there is no money for other animal protein, but thereby inflate demand and prices."
      https://www.gazeta.ru/social/2023/12/08/17982919.shtml

      And what beauty will come after March 2024!
  4. +1
    11 December 2023 05: 55
    Quote: parusnik
    But will prices go down? Will there be fewer migrants? etc.

    Don’t excite people with seditious questions before the presidential elections... smile You understand...they can also blame extremism for dissatisfaction.
  5. +4
    11 December 2023 06: 42
    “Many observers after the negotiations between the United States and China became fixated on the word “dictator,” they say, since Biden has Xi as a dictator, then the negotiations did not lead to anything” - from the article. Well, the “self-propelled grandfather” called the main Chinese “dictator” and that ?For the main Chinese, this is a compliment. But the fact that the main Chinese suggested that the “self-propelled grandfather” divide the world into two is a little annoying.
    1. +3
      11 December 2023 09: 20
      Yes, somehow not even a little... hi
    2. +3
      11 December 2023 11: 45
      China and I have entered a state of “partnership.” Moreover, ours opened the movement, China is still watching. Our “highest tier” apparently was not delighted with the idea of ​​“a world in two” and is now looking for a third option. Let's see.
      1. +2
        11 December 2023 12: 30
        The movement “to the south” in politics has been going on for at least several years now. This is clearly visible in Syria, where the Russian Federation has taken a 100% pro-Iranian position. Now the processes have accelerated, as the Kremlin has begun to understand the degree of dependence on China and its technologies.
        An interesting point - in the “right-wing” Russian telegram, the option of forcefully including Central Asia into the Russian orbit is now being quite actively discussed, since it does not work out economically. It is doubtful that China will stand by and watch in this scenario. Therefore, it is logical to look for allies that are now possible only in the global “South.”
        But in this case, you need to be prepared for a further strengthening of the Islamic factor not only in the economy, but also in politics, and partly in demography.
        1. +2
          11 December 2023 12: 38
          Yes, I agree. We already have the narratives “China is a partner” and I agree about the Islamic factor. Another thing is that I don’t see any prospects here other than to form something like OPEC in OPEC together with the Arabians; the question here is not in terms, but in a certain vector. But I don’t yet see any prospects outside the Chinese project. We do not have an economic, or rather industrial and technological base, and the Indian markets are a different story altogether.
          1. +2
            11 December 2023 12: 54
            The point here is not only that Russia needs allies in the south. The Arabian monarchies also need Russia for several reasons:
            1. Reduce dependence on the United States. The UAE does not “put its eggs in one basket.”
            2. Iranian factor. The negotiating capacity of Iran's elites raises serious questions, and the ability to reactivate conflicts throughout the Middle East with the help of its proxies requires a serious counterweight, which is precisely Russia.
            It should also be noted that the Kremlin is not very happy with China’s reluctance to share technology. That is, they are ready to sell mainly finished products, but not to be a sponsor of the technical re-equipment of Russian industry.
            Here you can recall the story of a jointly developed airliner, a heavy helicopter and much more.
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  6. +2
    11 December 2023 09: 20
    Of course, it is interesting to see how the United States has been building the idea of ​​an “Indo-Arabian third pole” for years, and how as a result of the crisis in Palestine (and given the current political model of Washington, it is very difficult to solve) The Arabians and Russians are taking over this pole.

    Crises of this kind do not arise on their own. And the way this one proceeded leaves a lasting impression of its inspiration from the outside. It is still unclear what Hamas wanted to show by their actions and what goals and objectives they set for themselves. And the development of events with the taking of hostages and the atrocities of the crowd was clearly calculated by SOMEONE, as well as the response from Israel.
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 12: 03
      There are many vulnerabilities in these versions of the complete orchestration of what is happening. As usual, the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.
      My view on this crisis can be found here: https://topwar.ru/227627-vojna-hamas-i-izrailja-riskuet-podorvat-godovuju-rabotu-ssha-na-blizhnem-vostoke.html
      1. +2
        11 December 2023 13: 15
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        As usual, the truth will lie somewhere in the middle.

        Which the descendants will recognize in 100 years. If, of course, then they will be interested in it and they will be there at all, these descendants laughing
  7. +2
    11 December 2023 09: 48
    That is, if this analytical interpretation is correct, then we actually have a certain basis where two of the three main oil supplying countries (Russia and Saudi Arabia) are potentially ready for such a level of coordination in order to balance the United States and its suppliers, the UAE acts as a settlement for Russia. an investment center and India a trade hub.

    In general, the article is rare trash, although such “analysis” and “projects” have a certain demand in the Russian Federation.
    True, like the projects “let’s freeze Europe”, “let’s get to the English Channel” and other fruits of love between analysts and their keyboards, they have no contact with reality; But consumers of such analytics want to see the future in bright colors, so they favorably perceive both “hubs” and “settlement and investment” centers.
    By the way, such articles in the 70s and 80s were accompanied by words about “full historical significance”, “indestructible” and “friendship of peoples forever” - they can still be used now.
    IMHO - the author is moving in the right direction, great success awaits him in terms of “project analytics”.

    IMHO.
    United Arab Emirates.
    Only one main question: production data from the Russian Federation, since with a general decrease in production to maintain a “fair price” there is a question “that someone is not reducing, production data is being kept secret", etc. The UAE may generally decide that "enough of secrets" and with its cheap oil production will crash the market for more expensive sanctioned oil. Consequences: see the 80s of the last century in the USSR.
    But there are interesting “offshore projects” on “shadow fleet and oil” and good investments from the Russian Federation in real estate in the UAE. Here the UAE can also put pressure, so Nabiullina needs to go too...

    India.
    It cannot be a “trading hub”, if only because it has a non-convertible rupee and a good question is what can be bought with it without restrictions (without restrictions only the series “acha-acha acha, Jimi Jimi”, etc.). I’m not writing about fears of sanctions; there are even questions about arms contracts: “Russian arms supplies to India have been suspended, and countries are trying to find a payment mechanism that would not violate US sanctions, Bloomberg reported, citing Indian officials.
    According to one of the agency's interlocutors, payments to India for weapons worth more than $2 billion have been delayed for about a year, while Russia has stopped extending a loan for the supply of spare parts worth about $10 billion, as well as for the future supply of two batteries of the C missile defense system -400."

    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/21/04/2023/64423c5a9a79471d40eac08e?from=copy
    "The state-owned Indian bank Bank of Baroda has stopped making payments for Russian oil purchased at prices above the price ceiling set by Western countries. Reuters reports this with reference to three sources with direct knowledge of what is happening.."
    https://www.rbc.ru/politics/04/04/2023/642c3ebe9a79476bb1fffb4e?from=copy

    Iran.
    Well, the article is really bad. What other agricultural products?! "Iranian Deputy Defense Minister Seyed Mehdi Farhi told Tasnim that a deal has been finalized to purchase Russian Mi-28 attack helicopters, Su-35 fighters and Yak-130 combat trainers. "https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6365297
    Well, it’s not just dates that are coming back from Iran either.
    From the interesting point: just like through Turkey through Iran, “the imperialists will sell us a rope on which ....” we will dry our clothes, IMHO.
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 11: 38
      I read what you wrote, but I didn’t understand what you wanted to say. However, there is one simple recipe for checking. Return to the material after a while. And then we’ll see who was there and in what direction they were moving. But in general, judging by your comment, you read the material diagonally, but did not read past works at all. This is normal today, but it is not very normal to issue such conclusions diagonally.
      1. +5
        11 December 2023 12: 19
        You see, unfortunately, I read this article of yours.
        While no one has leaked data about GDP’s visit to the UAE to Bloomberg, I would like to see at least something, perhaps from inside information, but the hope did not come true.

        Now about the article.
        First, the good stuff.
        You face great success in the field of analytics and forecasts. The less factual data, the better. If the data contradicts your ideas, so much the worse for the data.
        Now about the bad.
        Your text is full of ideas, for example:
        "Analytically, we can assume that through very complex coordination it was possible to resolve the issue of settlements in the Russia-India-UAE triangle."
        "... the result of this process is the transfer of funds into investment flows with the expansion of the participation of the UAE and Saudi Arabia, including at the expense of their own funds... that the visits take place with such a composition and such regulations means that clearing mechanisms have been found, and preparation generally completed"
        and so on. This is all called "gag".
        "...two of the three main oil supplying countries (Russia and Saudi Arabia) are potentially ready for such a level of coordination to balance the United States and its suppliers, the UAE acts as a settlement and investment center for Russia, and India as a trade hub" - but there is not even a word for this.
        Trying to write an article about international politics and economics, you do not bother yourself with at least collecting facts (or, even better, their dynamics). No, once you wrote that your predictions did not come true: "..the author compared trade turnover in different macroeconomic clusters, he set a forecast for turnover with Iran for 2023 of ±4 billion dollars, which, in general, in the current conditions, is a very, very modest figure. However, judging by the analytics in the very Iran, and it would not be reached, would cross the $3 billion mark."

        Or this: "...for a long time, a kind of Russia-Iran-China axis was formed". What kind of axis? Military? Economic? Do Iran and China know that they are on the same axis with the Russian Federation? What are the indicators of this axis and how do they change?

        I have no complaints that you have such an unusual opinion that you found it possible to make accessible to others. But such an opinion, supported only by your opinion, without any factual basis, is not interesting to me personally.

        I hope I was able to explain to you my reaction to your text. Regarding the fact that "and didn’t read past works at all" you're right. But analytically we can assume that your other texts are no better, so why read them?
        1. -1
          11 December 2023 12: 30
          Well, look Khazina, I’m not your advisor here. There is also something even more challenging. And if you are waiting for “facts” from Bloomberg or Reuters, then I don’t even know what to say. I will not break the butt of the analytical and expert mainstream with a whip. When I wrote last year that the Central Asian Five were being formed, this was also perceived as miracles. As for the actual basis, you simply forgot that the actual basis is foreign trade indicators and cost indicators. There were three large materials on this topic with numbers. And more recently.
  8. +1
    11 December 2023 12: 49
    We need to go in the direction where there are technologies and markets, and this is the West
  9. +4
    11 December 2023 13: 55
    Mechanisms are being developed to convert oil into investments and Arabian funds are being attracted.
    We extend our hand. Give us money for poverty, invest money in us... Arabia is with us, the Arab monarchs, will help us... They themselves are not capable of anything. Russia is looking for allies, but no one is in line to be our allies lines up, with an exclamation: my horse has been in line since the evening.
    1. +1
      11 December 2023 13: 59
      Well, ours don’t want to be second in ties with China. We want our own pole, period. However, in the agreements with the Arabians there is also such a factor as the “Trump program”. But this will be a separate review material.
      1. +3
        11 December 2023 14: 04
        Well, ours don’t want to be second in connection with China
        And with whom, in conjunction, the so-called ours, can they be first? In terms of economic and scientific potential? Just from South Africa...
        1. +2
          11 December 2023 14: 09
          Yes, in general, so far in terms of total cost, no one has. China, in principle, offered an adequate model; there, under an umbrella, it would be possible to make a breakthrough, albeit not a global one, in ten years. This is a question of the negotiation scheme and that very model. Devyatov, despite his philosophical allusions, was absolutely right that we need to enter the new era together with China, on the shoulders of China and at the expense of China. However, let's see, so far the path to the South in our execution does not look like it has potential, except for oil and foreign policy. It is unlikely that it will be possible to create a common value zone there
          1. +5
            11 December 2023 14: 20
            We need to enter the new era together with China, on the shoulders of China and at the expense of China
            In order to enter a new time on the shoulders of China, it is necessary to perch on these shoulders. But so far it hasn’t worked out. What a mistake with the Power of Siberia. We drooled so much joyfully, but nothing came of it. It turned out that China couldn’t bear it for nothing. And he didn’t invest a single yuan in this construction project. They turned the country into a beggar. But how many loud phrases about greatness, we are the most, the most, the most..."Listen and remember! Don't say you're brave - you'll meet someone braver! Don't say you're strong - you'll meet someone stronger! Don't say you're if you are wise, you will meet a wiser one!
            1. -5
              11 December 2023 16: 10
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              What a mistake with the Power of Siberia. They drooled so much joyfully, but nothing came of it. It turned out that China couldn’t afford it.
              Well yes
              On November XNUMX, the Chinese side’s application for the supply of Russian gas through the Power of Siberia gas pipeline again exceeded the daily contractual obligations. Gazprom delivered all the requested volumes and set a new historical record for daily gas supplies to China
              It turned out that it was “for nothing”, so “who can give it to him?” China is dragging out negotiations, bargaining, but does not want to be left without Russian gas, you are drooling with joy early on.
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          3. +5
            11 December 2023 15: 18
            We need to enter the new era together with China, on the shoulders of China and at the expense of China


            Will the Chinese allow anyone to climb on their shoulders? And at their expense?!
            O sancta simplicitas laughing

            The maximum that the Chinese can allow us is to graciously allow us to expose our necks for them to sit on, and at our own expense (a good example is the Power of Siberia).
            And even for this they will demand concessions, because if your negotiating partner is becoming more and more critically It’s up to you - it’s stupid not to take advantage of it.

            ...Where do you go from the submarine?
            1. +2
              11 December 2023 15: 24
              The funny thing is that they themselves suggested almost exactly this. But the Community of Common Destiny project is already about values, second place in a value project is just that, second place, albeit an honorable one. Our guys caught on.
              For twenty years they pumped oil and gas, which is more valuable for the tax-paying people. But as it turned out, they didn’t pull it off at the global level - they sulked and decided to be the mistress of the sea themselves. We realized it a bit late. Well, let's see wink
              1. +2
                11 December 2023 16: 05
                The Community of Common Destiny project is about values


                The call “Trade is better than war” - do you think this is about values? laughing

                The Chinese are so attractive to everyone precisely because they do not impose their values, their ideology and their path of development on anyone. In contrast to the West with its insistent recommendation of democracy as a universal value.

                China communicates well with democracies (of any variety), and with monarchies, and with dictators, and with theocratic autocracies, and with communist regimes - with everyone.
                Their slogan is - create whatever you want inside yourself, we do not limit you in this at all.
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                  11 December 2023 16: 09
                  I think you're oversimplifying.
                  Here is a link to Xi's speech at the previous forum.
                  http://russian.people.com.cn/n3/2023/1019/c31521-20085806.html
                  Full text of Xi Jinping's keynote address at the opening ceremony of the 3rd Belt and Road High-Level Forum for International Cooperation

                  I think that not everything is there, but many answers to questions about the value model
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                    11 December 2023 18: 50
                    I think you're oversimplifying.


                    This is definitely a yes. And this is inevitable for a short comment.

                    It doesn't have everything, but it does have many answers to questions about the value model.


                    Thank you very much for the link, I read it with interest.
                    My short (and extremely simplified) summary is the Chinese for everything good. And they consider international trade and the maximum development of globalism to be the most important engine of “all good things.”

                    I really liked this from Xi - ... when everything is good in the world, and good in China, when everything is good in China, then the world will be good too even better...
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                      11 December 2023 18: 57
                      Yes, the Chinese have many interesting theses that will compete with the American value code
                      - “After all, by helping others, you help yourself.”
                      - "build an honest path"
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                        11 December 2023 19: 44
                        The Chinese have many interesting theses that will compete with the American value code


                        I would not confuse public declarations and real intentions.
                        The Americans have a lot of beautiful phrases about mutual assistance, even more than the Chinese.

                        For example, Henry Ford created a sweatshop and at the same time liked to repeat: “Doing more for the world than the world does for you is success.”
                        What do you think of Ronald Reagan: “We can’t help everyone, but everyone can help someone”?

                        PS Excuse me, but I don’t understand this primitive nationalism - to believe that there are supposedly good nations (for example, the Chinese) and bad (for example, the Americans). It's not a matter of good or bad nationality, but of the current political and economic situation. Put the Chinese in the current political and economic situation of the United States, and you will get exactly the same behavior as the United States is behaving now. Or put any nation in the position of the Germans after WW1 - and you will get a fascist dictatorship. Therefore, there is no need to create illusions about a “good” China.
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                        11 December 2023 19: 49
                        I have no illusions. But values ​​are general ethics. Without common ethics, no integration projects are possible. This applies even at the commercial level, which speaks volumes about the levels above. The USA and China have such ethical codes. Nobody is creating illusions here, it’s just a marker of whether the elite has truly significant proposals to the world or not.
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                        12 December 2023 00: 01
                        But values ​​are general ethics. Without common ethics, no integration projects are possible.


                        What is the basis and what is the setting?
                        The code of ethics is a setting and is entirely determined by economics and politics.

                        Take Korea for example, it was a single country until 1945.
                        And now, 78 years later, these are 2 completely different countries; the peoples of these countries have almost nothing in common in their views on values, ethics and the structure of the world. And they have completely different allies in the world.
                        And all their enormous divergence occurred due to different political and economic developments, but initially the nation was one!
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                        12 December 2023 00: 13
                        It turns out that you automatically deduce a common ethos for any society that exists in a capital formation. But this is not so. The ethos is different, but the formation seems to be the same. Actually, the superstructure is not uniform. And this was understood even then. Marx, it seems, also began to talk about methods of production, introducing differentiation, he simply did not “finish” the topic.
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                        12 December 2023 01: 52
                        you automatically infer a common ethos for any society that exists in a capital formation.


                        Of course not.
                        Capitalism is very different. It is also influenced by the size of the economy, the degree of monopoly in it, the tax system, the distribution of working ages, the degree of labor mobility and a whole bunch of other parameters.

                        And ethics and morality are subordinate to the economic basis; Marx and Engels were right.

                        And the example of the two Koreas is strikingly clear in this regard.
                        In the DPRK, the ethical norm is to literally pray to your leader from the hereditary dynasty and unquestioningly carry out all his decrees.
                        In South Korea, the ethical norm is to elect a president and then impeach him and put him on trial.
                        It is not clear which is better, but the difference in respect for authority (traditional for the eastern people) is very clear.
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                        12 December 2023 02: 49
                        Well, actually, capitalism is not really about age, taxes, size, etc., but about product, labor, capital and means of production. And their transformation occurs in a certain class model, where the basis of class division is the property relationship.
                        And this is where you can push off, moving on to ethos. You can take ethics according to Weber, where the basis is a controlled desire for enrichment. And the ethical principles of such control will be those very values.
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              11 December 2023 15: 50
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              The maximum that the Chinese can allow us is to graciously allow us to expose our necks so that they can sit on it and, moreover, at our own expense (a good example is the Power of Siberia)
              The merciful will receive mercy. The Germans could not “allow” us this (a clear example is Nord Stream).
              Residents of Germany are faced with the growth of mold in residential buildings, which is attributed to the shutdown of heating that was too expensive in the era of the energy crisis, reports Die Welt.
              Here's the problem, they just learned to wash their butts with cold water... The Chinese can now buy mold from the Germans and extract trichodermin from it to use it in agriculture.
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                11 December 2023 16: 27
                The Germans could not “allow” us this (a clear example is Nord Stream).


                How did the Germans not allow this?
                The Germans also graciously allowed us to build SP and SP-2 (at our expense) and pump our gas to them. The joint venture, by the way, worked quite successfully from 2012 to 2022, that’s 10 years.

                And do you really think that if China suddenly doesn’t like us in some way, the Chinese won’t immediately turn off the “Power of Siberia” valve just as the Germans turned off the joint venture? laughing

                Residents of Germany are faced with the growth of mold in residential buildings


                Well, we have to pay the bills.
                The Germans suffer from mold, the French from cockroaches...
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    11 December 2023 20: 02
    the east of the monarchies and even the oil Arabian ones to comment or analyze for Russians. this is an act of ignorance, advice never give away your education in the east, in the Arabian desert, remain yourself bro)), you will be sent for free to anywhere in the world. stop doing that))
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    17 December 2023 13: 45
    Funny article. Russia is fighting for Iraq? With whom and against whom?: You will not see national flags in the south of Iraq. From Najef down, everything is in Khamenei's portraits and under Iranian control. Iraq is ruled by China, Iran and the United States. The sequence is not important, the important thing is that the Russian Federation is not among them. Even in Kurdistan, Rosneft recently turned up the oxygen a bit... And Russia’s 3% share in trade turnover with Iran is also an indicator. With Iran, which has been under sanctions for decades and supplies us with various Shaheeds, but what do we do to them?