On the issue of demography: moral climate

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On the issue of demography: moral climate

Recently, in Military Review, authors often raise the topic of population decline and related problems of migration and questions about the need to increase demographics.

Of course, the topic is very relevant, given that since the beginning of the Northern Military District we have lost some people who emigrated abroad, and some due to losses within the conflict. The fact that new regions and their demographics were annexed in the process made the numbers positive, however, as they say, unfortunately, it’s not over yet. And the SVO is not finished, and emigration is not finished.



So I won’t waste letters on moaning, there’s already been enough talk about the decline of the gene pool, and I’ll go straight to the heart of the matter - let’s look at the problem of demographic decline, as I see it.

They say that a problem, if it is unscrewed into screws and dowels, loses its insurmountability and simply turns into a problem that can be solved one way or another.

It would be a wish!

Moral climate


I see the important, and perhaps the first, problem of demographic decline not as an economic issue, although it shares the first line with morality in importance. Let's leave the economic factor for later - the devil is in the details, and in the decline of the birth rate there are enough of them even without the economy.

Morality, setting, environment, substrate - all these are clearly the most important elements of the reproduction of anything (anyone) whatsoever. These are already biological laws - man is also subject to them, no matter what kind of king of nature he considers himself.

Let's look back many years ago - were there many reasons for positivity?

As our president liked to say as he spent almost every year: “It was not easy.” Any country has its share of difficult years, but when the chain of such years becomes quite long, and you can no longer see the beginning or feel the end, this will certainly affect morality.

Whatever you say, we largely perceive our surroundings through sensations - as you know, walking down a mountain is easier than uphill, but there is no feeling in the air that we are already starting to walk down the mountain.

Each such “difficulty”, each fact, a year or so since 2010 offhand, led us up the mountain.

No, there was a certain period when the average person on the plateau breathed a sigh of relief - after the end of the Chechen war and before the beginning of 08.08.08/2008/XNUMX and the economic crisis of XNUMX.
Then there was also a short period of rest - 2009–2010. And then we began to climb - and Sochi 2014 was, as they say, lights on the path.

For those who remember those years well, I mean some 2007–2010, I think there is no need to explain how much was different then from now. And not only in terms of the international situation. The screws were much less tightened, the opposition rhetoric sounded much less apocalyptic, and in general - yes, it still sounded then.

It was not yet fashionable to show cartoons about superweapons and dress up children in military uniforms. And in general, the one so beloved by many – nuclear – sounded much less frequently. weapon.

On TV one could still see calm analytical programs in which the participants did not splutter and did not have epileptic seizures; there one could still see real experts with calm faces and cool heads. And, in addition to analytics, there were programs about science and international cooperation, and in the news they did not fill the voids by collecting money or castigating the pernicious “someone out there” with a parade of savory epithets.

The problem of a toxic environment


Hatred. Does it sound like that? There is a lot of hatred and anger right now. She literally oozes toxic poison from every pore, the same Soloviev - if you remember the years like 2008–2010, he was still watchable in places. Well, okay, he sometimes invited adequate people and allowed them to talk without interrupting.

For a modern person, a fruit of the late 90s, who did not experience any special cruelties like terrorist attacks and the Chechen wars, who grew up on the remnants of Soviet humanism, which was still found in the cultural product, and who grew up on the remnants of Western humanism, free from many crazy things that Nowadays people easily fall into mass culture - for these people with their values, what does it feel like to feel such a wild contrast now?

Of course it will be theirs frighten. Especially if it develops progressively.

But we take the issue of the current mass culture - after all, its activities can (and should) in such difficult times smooth out accents, entertain people, improve the moral climate, and meet needs by producing a sought-after product.

Instead, what do we see?

An endless stream of low-grade archaics, identical dramas about suffering, poverty and hopelessness. Stupid, amazingly formulaic melodramas, also with sediment. Endless relishing of the crime theme in all its 50 shades of gray - I want to ask, what do you charge people with? Don't they have enough depression?

Of course, there are good films and TV series - but all of this is literally drowned in fierce quantities of passable, colorless content that brings toxicity or despondency, rather than taking it away.

Lack of an image of an attractive future


Where is our mass culture developing in general?

We have a lot of talk about how our culture is a world-class culture - but do you have this feeling? I personally don't have one.

You can’t endlessly eat the classics of the XNUMXth century; modern culture must find beautiful, aesthetic images and answers to today’s questions. She must create characters who see what is ahead - over there, where “Russian civilization” is, where the future is, for the sake of which this is all now.

We must show this to ourselves in a good way, so that we are not ashamed to show it to others. Even so - so that they themselves want to watch it, so that it hooks them the way Korean dramas or Japanese anime do.

But no, we are not creating something like that. Come on, point out to me that we have started making good cartoons - and I will answer you that there is no doubt, but cartoons are for very young children. And not for those who need to raise the demographics now.

For these people we have no an attractive image, an attractive image and a picture of the future, where you want to live yourself and for your children to live.

On the contrary, this future is hidden by leaden clouds; it is not visible in any way. A kind of singularity through which no one is even trying to build at least a semblance of an architecture of something attractive.

The vector of the existing tuner will not promote fertility, that's what I want to point out.

A person loves to dream, and even if he feels bad now, but he sees that everything is getting better or not getting worse, he begins to live in this tomorrow with his thoughts and aspirations. This is what helped us survive the horror at all times.

But now, as if this issue and its importance are not understood at all, the phrase “more hardcore” fits perfectly.

Questions that are long overdue


We urgently need a competent policy to saturate the information field with something long-lasting positive, reduce depressive content, detoxify the airwaves and, in general, we need to outline an image of the future for people.

Clear, logical – that’s what we strive for. Material indicators in an aesthetic shell. And preferably without cartoons with weapons and excessive fantasy. The more real, attractive and achievable it looks, the less abstract it is perceived, the better.

We need to outline a concrete future for people and give them the feeling that we have almost reached the top of the mountain in the present. It has to be something long-term, carefully built.

Without this, our moral climate will continue to deteriorate - and some will emigrate, some will not give birth, some will become drunkards. With this, peoples will flock to us, couples will want to have many children, and there will be no need to engage in self-destruction...

So, a competent solution to this problem will have a positive impact not only on demographics: a positive moral climate is the basis for the success of the country and its population, one of the pillars of its attractiveness at the international level.

In the next article I will consider other aspects of the demographic problem - and, as always, your opinion is very important to me, dear readers!
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  1. +36
    6 December 2023 04: 04
    failure in demographics - let's look around, the war on the 1000 km border, moronic mortgage rates, food prices (about housing and communal services) I’m generally silent. only an abnormal person will “be fruitful and multiply” (C) do you know how much baby food costs? and one diaper? and “vitamins”?...let the deputies correct the demographics.
    1. +13
      6 December 2023 04: 52
      Quote: Aerodrome
      Do you know how much baby food costs? and one diaper? and “vitamins”?...

      That’s right, I agree with you, whatever one may say, but the economy is deciding now.

      But I don’t agree with the author
      I see the important, and perhaps the first, problem of demographic decline not as an economic issue, although it shares the first line with morality in importance...

      “Don’t draw any pictures” in the future, but the utopian reality, in which you will not be able to adequately support a large family, will cancel out any beautiful propaganda. Dreams must be supported by real deeds, albeit small, but regularly. Otherwise, this is just a play on words, and people have already had enough of these games...
      1. +6
        6 December 2023 11: 16
        In the second article I will explain why I put questions of moral climate ahead of economic ones. People in life are driven to a greater extent by desires - if you have money and you come to the store, then you do not buy what you do not want to buy. Even if you have a lot of money.
        Desires force people to save, turn around and think through how to achieve what they want.
        It just seems that desires come with opportunities - the same Americans, when forming a consumer society, placed a powerful emphasis on stimulating desires and creating a consumer climate, and there people, in a thirst for profit, supported economic growth.
        At the same time, the desires of significant groups can be suppressed by the state - consciously or not. By creating the wrong climate, you can suppress the civic, social and economic activity of citizens, and inspire depressive and fatalistic sentiments among the masses.
        If a person does not have the mood, he will not spend even the available funds, if he endlessly waits for a “rainy day,” his consumer and personal strategy will differ from the one he will pursue in a stable and positive climate.
        1. +2
          6 December 2023 12: 17
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          money.
          Desires make people save, spin and think...

          It depends what we're talking about. People have never been fruitful because it is fashionable. Previously, the value of having many children was practical - help in the household, then - procreation, then - a given of tradition, “normality” or something. But then all this disappeared. No need to plow. Extending the family, that's the point. Traditions are still strong in our heads. People in Russia still have children because “a family without children is not normal.” This has almost been destroyed in the West, it is rapidly degenerating in rich Asia, and only strongly in Muslim countries. But again, all “normality” and traditions are not eternal, under the blow of the powerful wave of the world globalist agenda, they weaken, and the same economy helps to accelerate the destructive process. If the basic concepts are missing: living space and normal healthy nutrition, then all psychological dogmas and marketing tricks will crumble to smithereens. A person wants to live in human conditions. But no matter how hard you try, the majority of 15 million for an apartment in a new building “will not be raised”... As for desires, the question is also debatable, because most of them are born in the presence of at least some opportunities. And desires that are too divorced from reality require a huge amount of time and a lot of strength/persistence, but mostly remain illusions...
        2. +3
          6 December 2023 15: 27
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          In the second article I will explain why I put issues of moral climate ahead of economic ones.

          Let's just say that you put them on the same level. And absolutely right, by the way. To form water you need oxygen and hydrogen. Without oxygen or without hydrogen, water will not work, and there is no point in arguing which of them is more important.
        3. +1
          7 December 2023 20: 23
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          The Americans, in forming a consumer society, placed a powerful emphasis on stimulating desires and creating a consumer climate, and there people, in their thirst for profit, supported economic growth.

          Meager wages do not stimulate demand, and in the absence of demand, production collapses. A vicious circle from which no one offers a way out. What kind of economic growth is there?
    2. -3
      6 December 2023 09: 48
      All power to the Soviets!

      Quote: Aerodrome
      ...only an abnormal person will "be fruitful and multiply...

      Money can help, but it will not solve this problem.

      In the richest countries of the world, the demographics are catastrophic - the West is dying out. Instead of the indigenous population, they are forced to import emigrants. Very soon there will be practically no one left of the indigenous people there.

      And vice versa. In the poorest countries, demographics are fine.

      All problems begin and end in the head.

      Who shapes our worldview?

      VGTRK - according to Putin, it is run by “former” employees of Radio Liberty:
      - 1st channel. TV show "Time will tell" - Sheinin. According to him, he was raised by a French citizen, who for some time hosted a program on “our” TV, Posner. He himself “was on an internship” in the USA.
      - 2nd channel. "60 minutes" - Skabeeva and Popov. Came to us from the USA.
      - “Evening with Solovyov” - arrived from the USA.
      - Editor-in-Chief of the state TV channel RT Simonyan arrived from the USA.

      When our country was going through perestroika, they all scratched their bellies on the beaches of America, and now they have come and taught us how we should live...

      There is not a single 60 Minutes show where its hosts do not promote LGBT people. The prosecutor’s office doesn’t see this point-blank, and the broadcast takes place during the day, during “children’s” time...

      The media do not convey information, they shape our worldview.
      We need to start solving demographics with the media.

      ps
      Solovyov and Simonyan do not use to indicate their nationality at every opportunity: Solovyov is Jewish, Simonyan is Armenian. Not a Russian Jew and not a Russian Armenian, but simply a Jew and an Armenian.... This is how, on a subconscious level, we, a multinational country, are divided by nationality...
      1. 0
        6 December 2023 11: 25
        They wrote complete garbage, it’s funny to read. They directly listed all the agents of influence of the Anglo-Saxons. Especially when you consider that all these people are under Western sanctions.
        Solovyov and Simonyan do not use to indicate their nationality at every opportunity: Solovyov is Jewish, Simonyan is Armenian. Not a Russian Jew and not a Russian Armenian, but simply a Jew and an Armenian.... This is how, on a subconscious level, we, a multinational country, are divided by nationality...- generally nonsense, they always emphasize that they are RUSSIAN people of Jewish or Armenian nationality.
        1. -4
          6 December 2023 14: 12
          Quote: builder
          They directly listed all the agents of influence of the Anglo-Saxons.

          I only wrote what they themselves told about themselves live.

          Quote: builder
          they always emphasize that they are RUSSIAN

          They never told anyone about this live. They always emphasize their nationality, without mentioning their belonging to Russian civilization.

          I wouldn't be surprised if they are still US citizens.
          1. +1
            7 December 2023 22: 47
            When the SVO began and everyone who was close to Putin began to be included in the sanctions lists and deprived of the warm coast of "Europe" - a certain Biryulev (whom I had very much respected before), who did not leave the Kremlin and was especially close to Putin - fled the country to Latin America. Then it turned out! that he has British citizenship and some Latin American is third. And he, as a British citizen, was admitted to the state. secrets and was present, as a journalist and as an adviser, at especially secret meetings of the Federation Council.
            Now this jingoist is broadcasting from Latin America on behalf of RTR. I don't intend to go back. Otherwise, there will be sanctions, and even British children may suffer.
    3. 0
      8 December 2023 01: 55
      Deputies? Isn’t it worth it for yourself?! laughing
  2. 0
    6 December 2023 04: 08
    cartoons for very little ones. And not for those who need to raise the demographics now.
    You propose to put the Russian analogue of hentai on stream to increase the birth rate belay ?
    1. +6
      6 December 2023 11: 00
      I'm afraid hentai does not help increase the birth rate, rather the opposite.

      I believe that we have very few programs for young citizens. When there was the Disney Channel, it offered a lot: Hannah Montana, Zack and Cody, etc.
      I think that we have wonderful children's programs and sometimes enjoyable series for adults. But there is no youth at all. It’s trivial that there is nothing at the level of “Give Youth”, “Galileo”, etc.

      And in general, the author is right - we have a lot of culture left from those times, but there is very little something new and good
    2. +11
      6 December 2023 11: 30
      I propose to form a new aesthetics in mass culture, because the current one is disgustingly mundane and sows stagnant moods, depression and hopelessness.
      Here are the forms - yes, debatable. I personally think that it is necessary to increase the number of light and musical comedies, science fiction, fantasy, adventures - in the direction of TV series and films. We should again, as in Soviet times, set ourselves the goal of raising the intellectual and aesthetic standards of people - we need documentary series about the present and future, telling people about modern technologies and the state of their implementation in the Russian Federation, about promising technologies - biological, medical, production. Through all this, you need to form an image of the desired future.
      If in mass culture we regularly show drunk, angry and stupid men who chase their wives, then this creates an image that is useless to us, throwing our two cents into the treasury of collective ideas about things. Everything that we throw into the imagination of the masses remains there and lives its own life for years and decades, when “that” agitprop has already ended, but it still lives. We need to understand this and we need a high-quality strategy for throwing out positive, creative and optimistic emanations. The same anime and manga in Japan work to create the mood of the masses, to supplement them with what is probably lacking in the real life of modern Japan. In the pre-war times of the same Stalin, the severe depression of a poor society was quite successfully extinguished by the state through the production of light comedies, in between showing the country’s achievements and forming attractive images.
  3. -20
    6 December 2023 04: 30
    Tired of pounding water in a mortar!!! The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population. ALL! The lower the level of education, the higher the birth rate - they just don’t need to make a career, that’s where the birth rate comes in. The basics of sociology, first year, roll up the rest and put it in a fairy tale-making apparatus.
    Some kind of morality, refugees in Upper Lars... This even flies into statistical error with a whistle and unnoticed. The economy and standard of living do not influence the birth rate AT ALL - at all and in no way. Where is the birth rate higher? Third World countries. Who is dying out? Golden billion!
    Buy yourself a sociology textbook - even Borrell bought it, but he has no brains, aren't you smarter?
    1. +13
      6 December 2023 06: 41
      Tired of pounding water in a mortar!!! The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population. ALL! The lower the level of education, the higher the birth rate


      Respected.
      How easily do you want to solve the problem of fertility.
      Let's reason with a calculator.
      Place of residence - region.
      The husband receives +/- 50 rubles.
      Wife - +/- 40 rub.
      Total - +/- 90 rub.
      Let's take an ideal case: we found money for the start-up fee to get a mortgage.
      Mortgage: monthly payment:
      30 thousand rubles. (average for Russia https://frankrg.com/data-hub/category/mortgage/figure/29540)
      56% in Chuvashia - (Ratio of monthly mortgage payment and average salary in 2023, https://ria.ru/20231113/ipoteka-1908963498.html)
      After paying the monthly payment - 60 thousand for two.
      1 child was born, 20 thousand per person.
      The 2nd child was born at 15 thousand per person. (In the first quarter of 2023, the poverty line was 14 thousand 26 rubles. https://rosstat.gov.ru/folder/313/document/208845)

      Well, what: HELLO AFRICA?
      Where is it about the “level of education of the female population”?

      PS
      In Chuvashia, only 24 percent of families can purchase housing with a mortgage
      Source: https://ch.versia.ru/v-chuvashii-priobresti-zhile-v-ipoteku-mogut-tolko-24-procenta-semej
      1. -15
        6 December 2023 06: 58
        Dear, tell us about mortgages in Indonesia, and then tell me why in Russia, for example, the birth rate in cities and villages differs MULTIPLE in favor of the countryside - and where are the salaries higher?
        Once again - all this was taught to me and listening to WILD BULLSHIT simply physically hurts me, there are a lot of people talking about things that they have no clue about, and they are too lazy to even read about the topic!
        Respected...
        And for starters, sociology, as well as psychology, biology, medicine, etc/ are not EXACT SCIENCES and only statistics works there from mathematics, the law of large numbers, a calculator can also be rolled up and stuck in a tube - there 2+2 often equals FIVE! Example: China. The same. The law "one family, one child". Worked great in cities and did not work in villages. The Chinese are the same. Why? Take a calculator and do the math, and I'll laugh
        1. +14
          6 December 2023 07: 46
          The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population.

          That is, you propose to continue the policy of lowering the level of education in order to raise the birth rate?
          It probably works.
          However, somehow in Holland and the states they successfully solve this problem in a different way.
          1. +15
            6 December 2023 08: 32
            Yes, there is a storyteller above. even take the minimum wage level. My salary is 50, my wife has 46 in hand. There is no mortgage yet, but it will be necessary to take out one. I want three children, but 3*15 = 45 thousand only for the children, but I still need 30 thousand for myself. But problems with teeth, etc. leave no chance. The problem is purely economic. The state is in no hurry to take upon itself guarantees that children will be guaranteed to be provided with food at least at the minimum wage level, and that parents will be responsible for themselves. But this is not observed either. What about surrogacy in favor of the state? - the state is giving up. What about artificial wombs? - no, prohibited
            1. +8
              6 December 2023 15: 32
              I support - the problem is primarily economic.
              Our government is greedy and does not help us in this matter. For example, Poland is full of all kinds of payments for children and one of them is the 500 program, i.e. The state pays 500 zlotys (11500 rubles) per month for each child under 18 years of age. And from 01.01.2024/800/18400 this payment increases to XNUMX zlotys (XNUMX rubles).
              So the question is, where are their people treated better, in Poland or in Russia?
              1. +7
                6 December 2023 15: 49
                where they treat their people better
                98% of Poland's population is Polish. If you do this in Russia, you will get a sharp increase in the birth rate in the diaspora and among the Romans.
          2. -8
            6 December 2023 08: 46
            In Holland, the birth rate per woman is 1,5, in the USA -1,6, in Russia - 1, and for population reproduction it should be 42. In all developed countries, the population problem is solved through migrants. I agree with Bingo, the level of education of the female population makes a difference. We must either deprive our sisters, daughters, mothers of education and prospects, or put up with migrants. No one has yet come up with another solution to the problem.
            1. +16
              6 December 2023 09: 15
              All developed countries solve the population problem at the expense of migrants.

              With migrants, we need to adopt the experience of the Emirates - they work there if they do not break the laws, and at the end of the contract they return from where they came...
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            3. +12
              6 December 2023 09: 26
              Rave. Marie Sklodowska-Curie gave birth to two daughters, and also had a miscarriage. The study of radioactive materials does not improve health... But, nevertheless, this is a clear example of the fact that an educated woman can give birth and raise 2-3 children, and, at the same time, remain an effective member of society. And Sklodowska-Curie’s parents, quite educated people, had 5 children.
              It's a matter of organization. Of course, a woman’s career will suffer to some extent due to maternity leave, but given modern opportunities to receive education and work remotely via the Internet, this will not be so critical.
              Grandparents can also provide assistance in raising children. If they live to see retirement, after the well-known reform.
              And there is no need to simplify it. The solution to this problem is complex. Here we have the economy, confidence in the future, medicine, and competent propaganda of the institution of family.
              1. +2
                6 December 2023 09: 29
                Then why haven’t all the countries of the world that are classified as developed solved the problem of demography without migrants? I can also give examples of women who gave birth to three children and made a career in modern Russia, but this does not affect the overall demographic indicators.
                1. +8
                  6 December 2023 09: 41
                  Quote from Gpn27
                  Then why haven’t all the countries of the world that are classified as developed solved the problem of demography without migrants?

                  Because they didn't want to. Capitalists don't care about anything except profit, preferably here and now. Plus, they instilled moral values ​​that do not contribute to the reproduction of the population.
                  Quote from Gpn27
                  however, this does not affect overall demographics.

                  There is no complete solution to the problem, so there are only such exceptions.
                  1. +3
                    6 December 2023 11: 31
                    Plus, they instilled moral values ​​that do not contribute to the reproduction of the population.

                    rather аmoral values ​​were instilled...
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                3. +11
                  6 December 2023 11: 48
                  Then why haven’t all the countries of the world that are classified as developed solved the problem of demography without migrants?

                  Because most of these states are faced with a sufficient population, they do not need to stimulate the birth rate.
                  The capacity of their territories and economies allows them to provide a good standard of living to a certain value, above which the profit from additional labor will no longer cover the costs.
                  In our specific case, this law should not work because we have a huge territory, including one quite suitable for life, we also have enormous economic and production potential, which at the moment is constrained not so much by objective factors, but by the terribly passive strategy of our elite Specifically, we have a need for demographic growth, but the people who have power do not have the motivation and skill to form a comprehensive program for solving this problem, and even more so to connect this program with others that we need for development.
                  Therefore, we simply “enjoy the way things are,” still remaining in the Gaidar-Chubais paradigm of thinking that the market will do everything and regulate everything as it should.
              2. +14
                6 December 2023 09: 48
                Quote: Hyperion
                Brad.

                Of course it's nonsense. In the USSR, the general level of education, including women’s, grew steadily year by year, and the population grew constantly, and without any fairy tales about “at the expense of the republics”, in the RSFSR the population constantly grew, and large and small cities and villages grew turned into villages, villages into towns, towns into cities, constantly, until 91, and then that’s it - the era of “developed capitalism” came and the demography “went downhill”...
                1. -5
                  6 December 2023 10: 07
                  The birth rate in the USSR in 1939 was 3.6, and in 1989 - 1,7. As women received education and social benefits, and the urban population increased, the birth rate per woman fell. Where did you get the idea that the population of the USSR was growing (if you do not take into account the increase in life expectancy)?
                  1. +8
                    6 December 2023 11: 59
                    Quote from Gpn27
                    The birth rate in the USSR in 1939 was 3.6, and in 1989 - 1,7. As women received education and social benefits, and the urban population increased, the birth rate per woman fell. Where did you get the idea that the population of the USSR was growing (if you do not take into account the increase in life expectancy)?

                    The birth rate in the USSR in 1989 per woman was 2,33. Moreover, 1989 is already the year of radical market reforms. In 1986-1987 it was 2,52.
                    https://su90.ru/birth.html
                    Of course, I understand the anti-Sovietism of the brain and all that, but why lie so stupidly.
                  2. +6
                    6 December 2023 12: 27
                    Quote from Gpn27
                    Where did you get the idea that the population of the USSR was growing (if you do not take into account the increase in life expectancy)?

                    The population of the RSFSR in the 29 years preceding the collapse of the USSR increased by almost 25 million people, that is, it arrived by almost a million per year. Did life expectancy influence this indicator? Of course, it influenced, but it was not decisive. There are no miracles. Take Japan as an example. It has one of the highest levels of life expectancy in the World, but the population of one million a year is not growing, and having stagnated for decades, has now begun to decline steadily... This has never happened in the RSFSR.
                2. +6
                  6 December 2023 11: 53
                  The birth rate began to fall in the USSR, and it was precisely when the moral climate began to decline significantly. In the 90s, this process simply took on catastrophic forms, so neither stagnation, nor economic experiments, nor Afghanistan, nor Chernobyl could be a good background.. And the quality of social services and medicine began to sag at the end of the 80s.
                  1. +6
                    6 December 2023 12: 22
                    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                    The birth rate began to fall in the USSR as well

                    Of course it started, the demographic transition associated with urbanization has not been canceled. But it happened by the end of the 60s and since then the birth rate has stabilized, and by very high level. In 1965-1966 the birth rate was -2,45, and in 1988 the same 2,45. For comparison, in the Russian Federation it is now -1,44.
                    The fall, and a catastrophic one, began with the beginning of active market reforms; look at the statistics - there is a direct correlation.
                    But I answered Gpn27, and he simply stupidly and blatantly lied.
                    1. +1
                      7 December 2023 14: 27
                      But I answered Gpn27, and he simply stupidly and blatantly lied.

                      What an epic chutzpah - because you are the one lying with fantastic impudence. It is enough to open any statistical collection.
                      In reality, in the RSFSR the birth rate fell below simple reproduction already in 1966, EMNIP. And it was a fantastic achievement - no one was able to collapse the birth rate in an almost half-peasant country like the communists.
                      1. +1
                        8 December 2023 05: 58
                        Quote: Alarmist79
                        What an epic chutzpah - because you are the one lying with fantastic impudence

                        Actually, in ancient times, for such impudence they were beaten with candelabra, and even earlier they were simply flogged in the stables. Well, come on, where did I lie? Citizen Gpn27 indicated that the birth rate in the USSR in 1989 it was 1,7. I said it was a stupid lie and brought exact numbers.
                        Can you challenge them?
                        I, of course, understand that you simply don’t know that the USSR and the RSFSR are not the same thing. But I’ll explain it especially for you - look at the name, the letters are different. This will probably be clearer to you.
                        As for the RSFSR, similar processes took place there after the demographic transition (in the period 1959-1969 the RSFSR became predominantly an urban republic, the level of urbanization was 7% higher than the all-Union level) the birth rate stabilized and was by no means at the level of 1,7. In 1965-1966 the level was 2,125. In 1988 - 2,1.
                        P/S So it would be nice for you to apologize and go study. There is no trouble in ignorance, the trouble is in militant ignorance that does not want to learn. As Lenin wrote, there is no trouble in the fact that a person is a slave, the trouble is when a slave “drools when he smugly describes the delights of slave life and admires his kind and good master.”
            4. +11
              6 December 2023 11: 32
              Quote from Gpn27
              I agree with Bingo, the level of education of the female population makes a difference.

              I somehow didn’t understand your position.. it turns out that it’s not the insufficient standard of living, not the lack of housing, not the lack of confidence in the future that is hindering.. but.. the lack of simply the desire of women? those. All of the above is nonsense, but it’s the women whose husband has been trying to approach them for years in order to persuade them to have another child, and she’s like: “I don’t want to, I want to live and in general I’m too educated for that”? and their husbands try to persuade them to follow them... what kind of families are they talking about? I’ll tell you personally about myself - my wife’s education has never been an obstacle for me, moreover, it was I who refused to have another child - she wanted it... and I indicated the reasons above.
              1. 0
                6 December 2023 11: 37
                Why are you twisting what I wrote? At the same time, I ask you to think about how financially secure and confident in the future the women of Kenya, Bangladesh, Botswana, who give birth to the most children, are. Are these countries the standard of life?
                1. +8
                  6 December 2023 11: 49
                  Quote from Gpn27
                  At the same time, I ask you to think about how financially secure and confident in the future are the women of Kenya, Bangladesh, Botswana, who give birth to the most children?

                  question 1. name at least one such northern country... are there none? why?
                  Question 2. Which of the countries you listed is developed?
                  Question 3. Why is the birth rate in Kazakhstan? 3.16, Israel 2.90, Kuwait 2.14, Greenland -2, Georgia - 1,97. and the UAE, Qatar with disenfranchised women 1,42?
                  question 4. Why, speaking specifically about the EU, the birth rate is higher than ours - almost all of them - Germany, Holland, Small-shaven, Sweden, Bulgaria, Estonia, etc.. they have a higher level than ours, and even all sorts of LGBT people They rule - why do they have a higher birth rate? according to all your plans, they should be behind us..
                  1. +3
                    6 December 2023 11: 54
                    and the UAE, Qatar with disenfranchised women 1,42?

                    The answer is simple, they allow polygamy
                    1. +4
                      6 December 2023 11: 58
                      Quote: Vladimir80
                      The answer is simple, they allow polygamy

                      so what? according to some, an uneducated woman is overwhelmed by constant thoughts about childbirth.. therefore, she definitely has to get at least three children from her husband, especially since not everyone has a harem, and usually it is 2-3 wives no more, and not 50 as in films hi
                      1. +2
                        6 December 2023 12: 46
                        usually it is 2-3 wives no more
                        The Koran prohibits more than 4x. But taking into account all the requirements for an applicant for a second marriage, two wives are for the rich by their Emirati standards.
            5. +3
              6 December 2023 21: 34
              Quote from Gpn27
              In Holland, the birth rate per woman is 1,5

              You, however, forgot to add that in 2010 in Holland the coefficient was 1,8 laughing
              They probably lived much poorer. laughing
              On my own behalf, I’ll add that among the Dutch people I know (there are quite a few of them, mostly engineers) there are mostly 2-3 children. But this is "my humble observation."
          3. +4
            6 December 2023 09: 41
            Quote from tsvetahaki
            That is, you propose to continue the policy of lowering the level of education in order to raise the birth rate?

            There is no need to offer anything here, everything is already going as usual....
          4. +5
            6 December 2023 11: 39
            This will really work)) But there are good solutions in the complex, and there are bad ones.
            You can legally oblige every woman to give birth to 5 children in her lifetime - but other costs from such legislative idiocy will be terrible!
            Also here - yes, they will give birth more if their education is reduced. However, this, in turn, will prevent about a third of our economically active population from creating something useful, because even if these women work, they will be engaged in low-skilled labor. The economic loss from such an approach will not fail to affect. Also, in such an approach, the transition of men to the array of vacancies now occupied by many women would be inevitable - teachers, doctors, cultural workers, bureaucrats, etc. Who then will fill the hole that arises because of this in male professions?
            No, this solution is absolutely unsuitable.
          5. +6
            6 December 2023 15: 25
            Quote from tsvetahaki
            However, somehow in Holland and the states they successfully solve this problem in a different way.
            Why lie about a “successful decision”, it’s easy to check. Netherlands - 1,55; USA - 1,64: i.e., does not reach the level of simple reproduction (2,12).
        2. +6
          6 December 2023 10: 29
          Dear, tell us about mortgages in Indonesia, and then tell me why in Russia, for example, the birth rate in cities and villages differs MULTIPLE in favor of the countryside - and where are the salaries higher?
          Once again - all this was taught to me and listening to WILD BULLSHIT simply physically hurts me, there are a lot of people talking about things that they have no clue about, and they are too lazy to even read about the topic!
          Respected...
          And for a snack, sociology, as well as psychology, biology, medicine, etc/ - are not EXACT SCIENCES and only statistics works there from mathematics, the law of large numbers, a calculator can also be rolled up and stuck in a tube - there 2+2 often equals FIVE! Example: China. The same. The law "one family, one child". Worked great in cities and did not work in villages. The Chinese are the same. Why? Take a calculator and do the math, and I'll laugh


          That's for sure, you would have a snack. After all, only after drinking too much can you forget that the birth rate in favor of the village is only due to heavily drinking families. As well as about the fact that in poor countries they simply don’t worry much about the future of children, and the protection there is not very good.
      2. AAK
        +3
        6 December 2023 10: 53
        Dear colleague, there is such a small inconsistency in your arithmetic, after the birth of a child, the mother is on welfare for at least a year (or even 2-3), and it is far from her previous 40, so the per capita income is even less. As for maternity capital, to be honest, I don’t know when and what it can be spent on... well, 000 and 50 thousand is the “average temperature in the hospital”, this amount does not correspond everywhere...
      3. +3
        6 December 2023 11: 33
        Here ! It is this question that I will touch upon in the second article as a key one. Acquiring housing is currently the most powerful potential barrier to forming families and having children. This is key for the economy.
    2. +7
      6 December 2023 09: 01
      The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population. ALL! The lower the level of education, the higher the birth rate - they just don’t need to make a career, that’s where the birth rate comes in. Basics of Sociology, first year,

      So no one argues with this. The question is how to increase the birth rate among women with a normal education in modern Russia. As I understand it, you have one recipe - limit education for women to 8 grades. And the rest are looking for other solutions. Do you have any other suggestions? Or did sociology stop there?
      1. -8
        6 December 2023 09: 08
        The rest are entire institutes of scientific sociologists. Do you really think that I or you can develop a better recipe for solving the demographic problem than they can? One thing is clear - the amount of money does not solve the problem, the state accepting the support of a woman with a child does not solve the problem, but the decline in women’s education and the denial of opportunities for them to realize life anywhere other than the family does.
        1. +5
          6 December 2023 09: 16
          Do you really think that I or you can develop a better recipe for solving the demographic problem than they can?

          No, but we, as objects of research, can express our wishes about what we lack in order to increase the birth rate in a particular family.
          One thing is clear - the amount of money does not solve the problem,

          It is already clear to many here that money cannot solve all problems.
          The decline in women's education and the denial of opportunities for them to realize their potential anywhere other than the family is decisive.

          Is there only one solution? No, of course, there are still solutions, or rather a whole set of solutions, and work should go in this direction.
          1. +6
            6 December 2023 12: 00
            There are always a lot of solutions, but the general problem of our mentality is that, like a rhinoceros, we prefer to see a very narrow angle. Digging deeply and thinking through issues collectively or from different angles, looking for different solutions is now not comme il faut, both in the thinking of the average person and in the thinking of those in power who are “flesh of the flesh.”
            It is not always possible to solve a problem with a couple of “strong” moves, because there is a “bone of the problem” and there are “important details”. In my opinion, the “bone of the problem” is the housing issue. However, without restarting the moral climate, having resolved the housing issue, we will get a carload of hedonists who use this decision as a springboard in order to merge externally with their skills and money.
            We should start with a different quality of mass culture and mass information. We need a qualitatively different policy.
        2. 0
          6 December 2023 09: 18
          closing off the opportunity for them to realize themselves anywhere other than the family

          I wonder what people mean by "implementation"
          P.S. I hope this is not synonymous with “sale of goods”
      2. -6
        6 December 2023 09: 56
        Quote: glory1974
        As far as I understand, you have one recipe

        I DO NOT have a recipe, no one has it. I provided FACTS. And I’m not going to mess around with the adietics above, with the calculator. at least in their foreheads. Even if they don’t understand the problem, they don’t understand the problem, but they come in with their “valuable opinion”.
        This is precisely an unsolved problem. And in reality there is a problem, and this is what I have outlined.
        I’m just tired of reading CRAP on this topic from ignoramuses, so I spoke out. Well, where they are going is just not clear to me. They really think sociology is like that. By the way, any fool with a calculator can decide between two cigarettes?
        1. +4
          6 December 2023 10: 31
          I DO NOT have a recipe, no one has it.


          Why lie? There is an effective recipe: abandoning capitalism, returning to the socialist path.
          1. +4
            6 December 2023 10: 36
            The solution is simple, move away from feudalism to capitalism or socialism. After 91 years, normal capitalism was not built in our country, we have neo-feudalism, like under Tsarist Russia. Boyars, serfs, everything is measured in rubles.
            1. +2
              6 December 2023 10: 45
              This is how it turns out that we have the most normal capitalist countries on the planet - Kenya, Botswana, Bangladesh. In the USA, Switzerland, etc. The birth rate per woman is not very different from the Russian one. Or return to the late USSR, where the birth rate in 1989 was 1,7 children.
              1. +5
                6 December 2023 10: 48
                why the late USSR, and not Stalin’s times with the NEP? Normal countries for me are like the Scandinavian ones. Like the USA, you can say anything about them, but they do it for themselves, for their own good. Our small-town fools don’t think about strategy, get it now, and then wait until it fails.
                1. -1
                  6 December 2023 10: 53
                  In Norway, the birth rate is 1,8, so the Scandinavians did not greatly surpass the late USSR. It is possible to return to the times of Stalin, but I am not ready to live the way our grandfathers lived - without housing, gas supply, social assistance, and modern education. If we maintain a modern way of life, the return of a manager like Stalin will not force women to stop seeking fulfillment in other areas of life to the detriment of family and having children.
                  1. +3
                    6 December 2023 10: 55
                    Yes, the coefficient is the same, but there are a lot of moral problems there. And social services are provided there, as is housing. But we don’t have moral problems as such, we have a lot of material problems, and the state would change the material problems if it wanted to. If they didn’t give money to banks, but give it to developers, there wouldn’t be a bubble. The ideas are good, the implementation let us down...
                    1. +1
                      6 December 2023 10: 59
                      Our women who get married in Norway (I personally know three) somehow do not create a family of 5 children when they move there. If our everyday problems are solved, moral problems will quickly appear, like in Norway, but many children will not appear.
                      1. +4
                        6 December 2023 11: 03
                        It may appear, but the bulk are held back by real factors. Me included. In order to support 5 people, I need to raise the salary to 130, and in about a couple of years this will only solve the problem of housing for the family.
                      2. +2
                        6 December 2023 11: 06
                        My salary is more than 130 and there are no problems with housing, but my wife does not want children, but wants to travel and build a career. We cannot force women to give up their desires and have children. oddly enough, they are also people who want to have fun, and not bother with a large family.
                      3. +5
                        6 December 2023 11: 08
                        These are your problems. My wife and I have a desire, but the material base does not meet the requirements. above 130 thousand in the Russian Federation receives less than 5%, as far as I remember. Median salary 26 thousand rubles
                      4. +1
                        6 December 2023 11: 12
                        Well then, the lack of income is your troubles. Work more efficiently, expand 5% and your wife’s desire will come true.
                      5. +5
                        6 December 2023 11: 19
                        a good contrast between the material base for 80% of those living in the country - you and your moral torment, that you have different moral standards that the majority of those 80% who can at the moment, but do not have a material base (salary\apartments) do not have
                      6. +1
                        6 December 2023 11: 24
                        Oddly enough, my housing and salary did not appear out of thin air. I earned them together with my wife. Thus, I am fully aware of the moral standards of our people. It’s just that when more money appears, it does not make educated, successful women want to have more children, but makes them want to receive pleasure for their successful work.
                      7. +7
                        6 December 2023 11: 27
                        Perhaps your environment is different. My wife and I have seen enough of successful couples in adulthood: businesses, posts, positions. There is no time to have children. Age comes, someone dies, they are left alone, there are no children, they go to clinics or similar institutions, looking for a place to cry that they are fools, they didn’t have children, they had to quit their job. Everyone makes their own choice. The time of reproductive age is limited.
                      8. +3
                        6 December 2023 11: 32
                        This is true. When women are young and can give birth, they increasingly make a choice in favor of a career, business (otherwise why would she go to university), and when old age comes, they regret not having children. However, awareness of a mistake by the older generation does not prevent young people from making the same mistake.
                      9. +7
                        6 December 2023 11: 38
                        Quote from Gpn27
                        Well then, the lack of income is your troubles. Work more efficiently, expand 5% and your wife’s desire will come true.

                        You are trying to pull your logic, a person with 130 rubles only from you, who is included in 5% of the country in terms of income, onto the remaining 80-90.. this does not happen, although I understand your logic perfectly well, but in relation to the whole country it is not applicable, the basis is different. .. and the majority of the country, even if they wanted to, will not be able to switch to 130.. in some regions this is the salary of a considerable boss - there is no way to become all bosses..
                      10. +7
                        6 December 2023 13: 43
                        Quote from Gpn27
                        Well then, the lack of income is your troubles.

                        Typical psychology of bourgeois power. Pasta...Rogues...I didn’t force you to give birth...
                        * * *
                        This is what state policy (state management) is all about, so that 90% of the country’s population can provide their families with what they need through labor. Today, for showing a bare butt or some other part of the body, they pay more than a milkmaid in a month... Actually, there are no people willing to become a milkmaid.
                        The production of real (physical) goods and services should become a priority in terms of wages.
                        What is so unbearably difficult that your wife is tired of? Did you work for the railway for a year? Maybe she worked laying asphalt? Most likely, she worked on 36 looms or plastered the walls of apartments in a built house?
                        People have lost their guidelines in life and preferred advertising-virtual life to everyday work and family happiness...
                        * * *
                        It is unlikely that you will understand me or what I said. If my wife had declared that she did not want to give birth (at one time), I would have divorced her, or rather, I would never have connected my life with such an empty balabolka.
                        Let him shake anything without me...
                        * * *
                        This is the harsh truth of life...
            2. +5
              6 December 2023 10: 48
              The solution is simple, move away from feudalism to capitalism or socialism. After 91 years, normal capitalism was not built in our country, we have neo-feudalism, like under Tsarist Russia. Boyars, serfs, everything is measured in rubles.


              Holy simplicity. “Normal” capitalism, which some continue to believe in, is the window-dressing capitalism of Europe, created as a counterweight to socialism. When capitalists were forced to raise the standard of living of the population to relieve social tension. And which is now being slowly phased out.
              In the Russian Federation, real capitalism was immediately built, without social crutches, since there is no need to show off.
              There is also imperial capitalism, like in the USA, but for this you need to take the place of the USA.
              1. +4
                6 December 2023 10: 51
                Capitalism is a pattern, implementation is up to the locals. The pattern is the same, but the results are different. Countries of Scandinavia, southern Europe, Africa, CIS, Asia, North America.
                Even if the USSR is revived, the problem of labor motivation will arise; a transition period of 75 years will be needed until people are educated, and this is 3 generations.
                1. +1
                  6 December 2023 10: 59
                  Capitalism is a pattern, implementation is up to the locals. The pattern is the same, but the results are different. Countries of Scandinavia, southern Europe, Africa, CIS, Asia, North America.
                  Even if the USSR is revived, the problem of labor motivation will arise; a transition period of 75 years will be needed until people are educated, and this is 3 generations.


                  There is no problem with work motivation, the problem now is with normal work.
                  A simple example. In the Soviet years, when a pilot retired from the army due to age (45 years), but his health was normal, and most importantly, he still wanted to fly. Then at Aeroflot (Soviet Aeroflot is written with a capital letter, Russian with a small letter) he was greeted with open arms.
                  1. +1
                    6 December 2023 11: 01
                    Yeah, there is no problem when a working person earns more than a person with a higher education. 400+ versus 120 rubles and the people with the tower went to work....
                    1. +2
                      6 December 2023 11: 27
                      Yeah, there is no problem when a working person earns more than a person with a higher education. 400+ versus 120 rubles and the people with the tower went to work....


                      How tired of these stories about poor engineers in the USSR. lol
                      Did you know that the company sergeant major, a warrant officer, received more than a graduate lieutenant? With the difference that the ensign has already served for decades, and the lieutenant has just graduated. And the career of the sergeant major is already at the finish line, and the lieutenant is just at the start.
                      So why compare a young engineer with an experienced highly qualified worker?
                      Then compare with the student who is also at the start. Despite the fact that an engineer has every chance of making a career, unlike a worker.
                      If a graduate of the institute became a hard worker, then the money on his education was wasted.
                      Also, why pay a decent salary to those who chose to sit their pants down until retirement in the position of Ministry of Taxation?
                      1. +4
                        6 December 2023 11: 32
                        And who said with the experienced? My father worked on a drilling rig in Tajikistan at the start, as far as I remember, he received 250+, after a couple of years 350+, and the people with the rig just sat there, my mother is a teacher, 110 rubles. Around 1983.
                      2. -3
                        6 December 2023 11: 54
                        And who said with the experienced? My father worked on a drilling rig in Tajikistan at the start, as far as I remember, he received 250+, after a couple of years 350+, and the people with the rig just sat there, my mother is a teacher, 110 rubles. Around 1983.


                        Do you think that work on a drilling rig is easy? It's hard work with a nomadic life.
                        And a teacher can become a head teacher, a school director, and so on. Or just pick up some extra hours, awesome tutorial. Or become an honored teacher, which also raised the salary very significantly. I just had to work.
                2. 0
                  10 December 2023 12: 15
                  "Capitalism is a strange belief that the biggest scoundrels, from their most vile motives, can together benefit society / John Keynes. Adam Smith Prize winner /

                  A people who, after 1000 years of work by saints and Russian righteous people, did not understand that the essence of Christianity is the fulfillment of the Law, will never learn anything except a “strange conviction”

                  The attitude of the West towards the Russians is formulated in the phrase of Alexander the 3rd: “A peasant only needs a Tsar and a whip... he won’t understand anything else...”
              2. +5
                6 December 2023 11: 45
                Some strange window dressing capitalism. The USSR has been gone for 33 years, but it still continues to show off.
                1. 0
                  6 December 2023 11: 57
                  Some strange window dressing capitalism. The USSR has been gone for 33 years, but it still continues to show off.

                  So no one will dramatically drop their standard of living. But dismantling is underway, the protests are evidence of this.
                  Although, to whom I confess, the average person’s faith in good capitalism cannot be defeated. lol
                  1. +7
                    6 December 2023 12: 01
                    Protests only indicate that it is allowed to protest there. In any normal country there should be protests. If they are not there, then discontent is being artificially suppressed. Which sooner or later can lead to an explosion. It makes more sense to let off steam.

                    And by the way, the average standard of living in developed countries has increased over 30 years.
                    1. +4
                      6 December 2023 12: 59
                      The average standard of living in developed countries has increased over 30 years.
                      I would say that it grew until about the 2010s, and then began to stagnate or slowly fall.
                    2. 0
                      6 December 2023 14: 01
                      Protests only indicate that it is allowed to protest there. In any normal country there should be protests. If they are not there, then discontent is being artificially suppressed. Which sooner or later can lead to an explosion. It makes more sense to let off steam.


                      And for the sake of steam, these protests are dispersed with water cannons?

                      And by the way, the average standard of living in developed countries has increased over 30 years.


                      Proofs will be? lol
                      1. 0
                        6 December 2023 15: 48
                        There are different types of protests. If there are many violent people among those gathered, they disperse them with water cannons, yes. What's actually bad about this? In general, protests are useful because they give the state feedback. It’s much better than to endure, to endure, to endure - and then everything goes to waste.

                        For example https://dzen.ru/a/XIvF02JD7AC0w0RE
                      2. -1
                        6 December 2023 16: 09
                        There are different types of protests. If there are many violent people among those gathered, they disperse them with water cannons, yes. What's actually bad about this? In general, protests are useful because they give the state feedback. It’s much better than to endure, to endure, to endure - and then everything goes to waste.


                        You can decide whether it’s a cross or panties. Either “they have the right,” or “to disperse violent people with water cannons.” lol


                        For example https://dzen.ru/a/XIvF02JD7AC0w0RE


                        Since when is this an article on Zen Proof? laughing
                  2. +1
                    6 December 2023 15: 39
                    In general, protests (within reason, of course) and opposition are very useful for a healthy state: they give the authorities feedback and make them think about whether they are following the right course. Because there is a risk of losing power in the next elections. If the opposition and elections exist only on paper, and protests are de facto banned, then you can do anything, but it will not lead to anything good. It’s like sailing blindly without a pilot - such a ship will definitely run aground sooner or later.
              3. +1
                6 December 2023 18: 36
                In countries like Great Britain, France, Germany, the standard of living was higher than in the USSR, and before the revolution (in Russia).
                With total literacy, longer life expectancy, public amenities, etc.
                1. 0
                  6 December 2023 19: 25
                  Let’s leave RI alone, but at the USSR level, not everything is so simple. Firstly, the countries mentioned were not only inhabited by a middle class. Secondly, we need to take into account not only the level of salaries, but also the level of citizens’ spending.
    3. +6
      6 December 2023 11: 53
      Quote from Bingo
      The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population... they just don’t need to make a career, that’s the birth rate.

      If we look at this thesis more carefully, we can see purely technical reasons for this pattern - it’s not about education, but about the need to choose between devoting time to a child or study/career. A compromise may be that other family members, both older and younger, give this time to the child.
      The problem is that we continue to have a trend toward atomizing the new family, separating it from the original one in which potential parents grew up. In developing countries, this trend is not so strong, because children there are under the care of a “big” family, and migrants, as representatives of this mentality, follow tradition. That’s why their birth rate is better. Although their woman is unlikely to sit at home either, she probably works. In this regard, the author is right - first of all, it is necessary to correct the ideas in our heads about the family and the relationships in it. Learn to live side by side, helping each other. Well, the development of social security in the form of kindergartens and nurseries is also an important topic.
      1. +1
        6 December 2023 12: 04
        Quote from cpls22
        We have continued the trend towards atomizing the new family

        Wow. This also plays. But already as a contributing factor. This is a long topic, we need to start right from the basics, but this needs to be created as a separate portal, you won’t get by with a dozen articles
    4. +1
      6 December 2023 15: 33
      Quote from Bingo
      The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population. ALL!

      Yes. How many factors does the level of education of the female population depend on?:))))
      If the economy is in complete collapse, then a woman simply cannot count on the fact that there will be a man who will support both her and her children. And she strives to become independent.
      If there is a complete crash in the media, then a woman cannot count on the fact that there will be a man who will cover her from all problems. And strives to become more independent.
      Well, education, of course, is a great way to gain independence.
  4. +22
    6 December 2023 04: 39
    As our president liked to say as he spent almost every year: “It was not easy.” Any country has its share of difficult years, but when the chain of such years becomes quite long, and you can no longer see the beginning or feel the end, this will certainly affect morality.

    And no one in the upper echelons will dare to tell him that these difficulties are created by the president himself with the party he created, adding them to the old ones - unresolved, not overcome.
    But we must fight them by eliminating the causes, and not by transferring carriers from one chair to another.
    Why did you keep Chubais in power for so long? Are your protégés, Messrs. Miller and Sechin, so effective? What does Mr. Medvedev do at the Security Council? What do people over 70 years of age who are not able to show the results of their activities do in management bodies? Why are some unions of industrialists and entrepreneurs being created in the country, when the level of industry is in its infancy - 6 industrial robots per 10 personnel, and entrepreneurs are engaged in making a profit not from increasing trade turnover, but from increasing the price of goods, being the majority traders for goods and services?
    * * *
    We have a difficult president who can be elected as many times and for any terms as he likes. We have a complex constitution. written under the bourgeois formation, but with the mention of some kind of power, some kind of people. We have a difficult situation with public administration, when there is no money, but we are holding on. We have a difficult situation with pensions and life expectancy, which for some reason is growing, and there are fewer people in the country. It’s not easy in a country with vocational education, with insurance medicine, with the high cost of housing and communal services that do not meet the stated standards, with the banking and financial sector, with regional budgets and subsidies...
    Everything is very difficult and, as we understand, they plan to resolve these difficult issues only in words...
    1. +8
      6 December 2023 04: 45
      Everything is very difficult and, as we understand, they plan to resolve these difficult issues only in words...
      and there is nothing to add. it's like that.
    2. -1
      6 December 2023 08: 52
      The main thing is not to replace the social formation and leaders with “young and effective” ones like Gorbachev and the rest of the Soviet nomenklatura, who by their mere existence in special dachas and shops aroused the hatred of the people. In 1990, the people did not come out to defend the Communist Party, and as long as the generation that remembers the partyocrats as snickering traitors is alive, they will not come out.
    3. +4
      6 December 2023 11: 17
      What do people over 70 years of age who are not able to show the results of their activities do in management bodies?

      Where does this painful fixation on age come from?! The main thing (and the only important thing) is the result (“unable to show the results of their activities”), so there shouldn’t be any questions for twenty- and thirty-year-old slackers?
      Our main problem is the feedback channels completely destroyed by the “vertical of power”, and this already leads to gerontocracy and other delights.
      By the way, a mechanical shake-up of personalities without restoring personal responsibility is unable to change the situation. If this president was any good, replacing him would only be harmful, and even now it is not a fact that the next one will be better.
  5. +12
    6 December 2023 05: 07
    We need to outline a concrete future for people and give them the feeling that we have almost reached the top of the mountain in the present.

    Someone is preparing to introduce into our future another scourge, “social rating”...like the Chinese one...
    interference in the personal lives of citizens will then rise to its full potential.
    This will be a real concentration camp.
    This cannot be allowed under any circumstances.
    1. +3
      6 December 2023 12: 16
      I absolutely agree with you! The only trouble is that over 24 years the current team’s tools for “preventing” have been squeezed out quite effectively (they can do something effectively if they want!), and as a result of this process, the State Duma has a majority of “loyal subjects” who can “unanimously agree” absolutely anything. I personally perceive the long-term desire of the current authorities to hook citizens onto a single digital platform as a prelude to what you call a “digital concentration camp.” Convenience always comes with benefits; making it convenient “just like that” is not our method.
      1. -1
        6 December 2023 12: 19
        What kind of denseness is this? These credit ratings in banks are 20+ years old, and you have just discovered them for yourself. In our country, unreliable negative elements are already processed, but here they will convert them into numbers, there’s a big difference, my God.
  6. 0
    6 December 2023 05: 23
    Quote from Bingo
    Fertility depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population

    Well, come on... you killed me with this thought. smile.
    I immediately had another seditious idea to solve the birth rate...give the men chimpanzees, gorillas, gibbons, female orangutans...they have no education...but they can give birth. request
    Preferable, of course, are gorrilikhas...their cubs grow to males up to 200 kilograms...you'd put them as guards in nightclubs, who knows.
  7. +14
    6 December 2023 05: 52
    Why does the author need “fertility”? The work forces us to observe and analyze families. On average - 2 children. There are millions of people in the country who are unemployed or working for food. No work! At the same time, the government and business are “crying” that they lack ANOTHER millions of workers from the East.
    Fertility problems - no. There is a problem of weakly controlled non-weak migration.

    The authorities understand perfectly well that if “20 million high-tech jobs” are created, then all schools, hospitals will close, and even police officers will flee from budgetary despair. In practice, the locals were turned into servants for traders and “builders”. An increase in the birth rate will only increase the casting of brothels and the Wagner reserves..
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 05: 57
      The problem of fertility is a complex problem... a cavalry charge will not solve it... it will only make the situation even worse.
      There are many reasons for the decline in the birth rate...here you need to decide at the level of cause and effect...you can’t fool human nature.
      1. +6
        6 December 2023 08: 09
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        The problem of fertility is a complex problem... a cavalry charge cannot solve it...

        30 years was not enough to solve this problem. How much longer are we going to ride?
  8. -5
    6 December 2023 06: 13
    Solovyov, of course, becomes rude towards only some of the guests of his program. The good news is that he began to invite less Zyuganovites like Kalashnikov or an unidentified breed like Zatulin. But it would be interesting to listen to the author of the article speaking in Solovyov’s program. By the way, the author was also not invited to the “Big Game” program... What a disaster, there is a toxic environment all around!
  9. +6
    6 December 2023 06: 15
    a positive moral climate is the basis for the success of a country and its population, one of the pillars of its attractiveness at the international level.
    And how to create this? Make positive films? For example, a private owner of the means of production gave the workers a bonus, and they returned it with the words, take it back, they don’t deserve to receive a bonus, we need to work 12 hours, not 8, you’ll go broke writing bonuses to us.. stretch it out, maybe for a whole series smile
    1. +1
      6 December 2023 08: 01
      By the way, the film “The Prize” was shot in the USSR. I was about 12 years old and watched it without stopping. Although the film is static. sitting in one place discussing whether to take the bonus or not. But it looked no worse than about the Indians.
      1. +2
        6 December 2023 09: 22
        This film fit into the social relations of that time, and the comrade above does not understand a little what he is offering and to whom (if this is not a subtle joke). It’s like giving a lecture to cannibals about the benefits of cabbage instead of meat.
        1. 0
          6 December 2023 17: 04
          The trouble is, smileys don’t help. request Yes, this is a subtle joke, without if.
          1. -2
            7 December 2023 08: 12
            Sorry, I also hoped that you weren't serious.
      2. 0
        6 December 2023 23: 36
        Most of our viewers did not understand the meaning of this film. After all, the workers there are not such altruistic weirdos. After all, the point is that they perceive the bonus written out to them as a handout. With proper organization of work, they would have an increase in wages much greater than this bonus.
    2. +4
      6 December 2023 12: 22
      For example, a private owner of the means of production gave the workers a bonus, and they returned it with the words, take it back, they don’t deserve to receive a bonus, we need to work 12 hours, not 8, you’ll go broke writing bonuses to us... you can stretch it out for a whole series smile

      Ahaha, well, that’s exactly how it was solved in the cinema of the USSR) Only you joked like that, and there the actors had to play it with serious faces.
      And how to create this? Make positive films?

      Changing the image begins with the person changing clothes, cutting his hair, etc. The person remains as he was - but either looks more attractive or not. This alone will or will not change his sense of self. If you DO NOT see the image, how can you begin to change for the better? The fact that you just want “everything to get better” will not give you a clear point of application of effort. When (and if) our country wants real changes, they will begin, first of all, by clearing out the stagnation and Augean stables in the sphere of moral climate, media and mass culture. This is how the Bolsheviks started, this is how the “democrats” started in the 90s.
      1. 0
        6 December 2023 23: 41
        If you watched the movie “The Prize” carefully, you should have noticed that the workers refused the bonus not because of particularly high consciousness, because they did not deserve it, but because they believed that if the work of their department was properly organized, they would have received The salary increase over the course of several months is much greater; for weeks this is a one-time bonus. That is, they really believed that this award was a sop.
  10. +15
    6 December 2023 06: 28
    Well, I already wrote about the economy, it’s important when you don’t have enough money for yourself, how to talk about a family. But the author raised an interesting topic about morality. Life was hard in the 90s, but you know, people were different, and most importantly there was some kind of faith that tomorrow would be better, although there was despair. And now there’s just some kind of hopelessness, well, I don’t believe that a bright future awaits me, tomorrow doesn’t give me the prerequisites that it will be better, there’s nothing at all. And of course I would like to reverse this situation.
    1. +5
      6 December 2023 08: 36
      . Life was hard in the 90s, but you know, people were different, and most importantly there was some kind of faith that tomorrow would be better, although there was despair. And now there’s just some kind of hopelessness, well, I don’t believe that a bright future awaits me

      You were just younger in the 90s. There was no hope then. And with age, the feeling of the inevitable takes off our “rose-colored glasses”
    2. +1
      6 December 2023 12: 25
      Life was hard in the 90s, but you know, people were different, and most importantly there was some kind of faith that tomorrow would be better, although there was despair. And now there’s just some kind of hopelessness, well, I don’t believe that a bright future awaits me, tomorrow doesn’t give me the prerequisites that it will be better, there’s nothing at all.

      Exactly ! And millions think this way. Give them money but don’t create a climate - and they will look the other way with this money. You need to start with the image.
  11. +7
    6 December 2023 07: 24
    Come on, point out to me that we have started making good cartoons - and I will answer you that there is no doubt, but cartoons are for very young children.

    Somehow I haven’t seen good modern cartoons.
    Even in patriotic cartoons, the horse is smarter than the hero...
    In general, I agree with the author, but this is only one side of the problem of demography.
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 12: 26
      Two more articles on the topic, the economic side and the mentality side. The first one has already been written but has not been sent yet - as usual, I want to process the comments, in case I missed something.
  12. +18
    6 December 2023 07: 48
    The country has been living in a permanent crisis for more than 30 years with little respite; the people are busy with the problem of survival. I can tell from my family, my daughter was born in 1999, my wife is a school teacher, I worked in electrical networks, there was simply no money, we lived from paycheck to paycheck, there was no money even for new clothes, what about the second child? We simply wouldn't feed him. They pushed around like that for three years, but I went on shift. Has anything changed now? Yesterday my daughter and son-in-law came, looked at the mortgage for 5,6 million, the payment was 36 thousand rubles, my daughter will go on maternity leave, how to pay? Salary in the city is 50 thousand rubles. What the hell is the birth rate? And you’re talking about some kind of climate with cartoons, nonsense.
    1. +5
      6 December 2023 12: 38
      You are not right. This is another side of the problem. In addition to the economic crisis, there is also a moral crisis. It's a feeling of complete hopelessness. I would also add a third side - the orgy of the authorities. All these crazy laws, the search for enemies, traitors, foreign agents, the destruction of the judicial and executive systems, criminal bans on criticism, the inculcation of religion, and in its most wild manifestation, all this causes a feeling of the collapse of the country. And if we don’t see the future, then why do we need children? What did Sarah Connor say in The Terminator? "No fate!" So I have the impression that there is no destiny in our country.
      1. +1
        6 December 2023 13: 14
        “No Destiny” in a different context, and if you have no destiny in our country, emigrate. There are many things I don’t like about this world order, but not to the extent of “no destiny.” I managed to solve all my problems, I hope I have enough strength for something else, even though I’m no longer young. And I hope nothing fatal will happen to us despite all the troubles of today. I don’t really like the current government and have never voted for it, but it is in every way better than EBN
        1. +4
          6 December 2023 13: 27
          “No Fate” in a different context, and if you have no fate in our age, emigrate.
          It is in a different context. In the context that in this state of affairs, our country has no future. And the fatal thing has already happened. Because in our country, which defeated fascism, citizens appeared who allowed themselves to say: “If you don’t like it, leave!”
          1. +1
            6 December 2023 14: 56
            Is this like our country, the country of victorious fascism? Well, then you should definitely go for the bright-faced ones who shake hands. And yes, why are you communicating with the “fascist”? Doesn't make you sick?
      2. +2
        6 December 2023 13: 37
        You are not right. This is another side of the problem. In addition to the economic crisis, there is also a moral crisis. It's a feeling of complete hopelessness. I would also add a third side - the orgy of the authorities. All these crazy laws, the search for enemies, traitors, foreign agents, the destruction of the judicial and executive systems, criminal bans on criticism, the inculcation of religion, and in its most wild manifestation, all this causes a feeling of the collapse of the country. And if we don’t see the future, then why do we need children?

        Exactly ! Solve the issue of financial incentives in such a system before the climate one - and these people will train their offspring to connect their future with foreign countries. There was already an example of this - in the 90s, when many families (at least those I knew in Moscow) set their children on exactly this path - they say, grow up, get an education and then you can move to Europe or the USA. When people don't see a future here, they will find it in other places. So the mess in the closets needs to begin to be cleared up with a competent information and entertainment policy.
        1. -2
          6 December 2023 13: 44
          But thanks to the “wise” policy of our government, blaming it on Europe or the USA is becoming very problematic. So the majority of our citizens are simply doomed to be cooked in this cauldron until fully cooked.
          1. +2
            6 December 2023 14: 11
            blaming it on Europe or the USA is becoming very problematic
            Thanks to the policies of Europe and the United States, it is problematic to blame them there; parasites are not needed here and no one has been hovering in pink clouds for a long time.
        2. +4
          6 December 2023 13: 45
          grow up, get an education and then you can move to Europe or the USA.
          I met such svalers here (UK) - they came, hoping in a year to live in a ten-room house with a full garage for five cars, relying on their diploma in economics laughing A year later it just dawned on them that they were living normally in Russia at the expense of their family, but they were nothing of themselves.
          I think the flow of such people has now depleted to zero - everyone has long known what is over the hill and how and how much.
          1. +3
            6 December 2023 13: 54
            When a person’s strategy is to bet in a betting pool, and he is brought to a state in which he sees no alternatives where he is, he will fly like an arrow in one direction, just as it happened in the 90s. A number of people I know with the beginning of the SVO flew abroad in a traffic jam, without thinking much about the consequences. Some of them were active people and they had already managed to get settled - those who couldn’t, it’s not a fact that they will return anyway, and even if they return, it won’t be for long. Human ideas are a surprisingly tenacious thing, including bad ones. Many Jews left the USSR for Israel with much more here than they would have had there. But it was the idea that drove them, the idea of ​​how bad and worthless it was here and how promised and kosher it was there.
            You should not assume that human psychology here differs greatly among nations - “in contrast” you can build such a massive legend that a person would be glad to work in the USA as a taxi driver and rent an apartment, rather than have his own here and work at something more prestigious.
            What you are talking about relates to the rational type of thinking - but the majority thinks irrationally to one degree or another.
            1. +4
              6 December 2023 14: 08
              with the beginning of the SVO, they flew abroad in a traffic jam, without thinking much about the consequences
              Read their public pages - the idea was in the air that they would be taken to Australia, America and the EU, while Russia, having been defeated, would become a white Zinbabwa.
              When it became clear that they wouldn’t be hired anywhere and that at most it was Uruguay, then along with resentment (they let the dill in, but we are worse off), confusion came - half-educated system administrators, like lawyers and baristas, are not needed by anyone, and there is nowhere to stick.
              . Many Jews left the USSR for Israel
              Back then there was still the flair of the “foreign country”, where they drink chartreuse and fly to the Bahamas, and in the “scoop” there are rednecks on the fence. Nowadays there is almost no such view.
              a person will be happy to work as a taxi driver in the USA and rent an apartment
              Again, from communication and public pages - they go there to live like people, and not to work hard like donkeys laughing And in the depths they all drive with confidence that he will have an American Dream and a villa in Miami with a boat at the pier in the backyard. And when it doesn’t burn out, there is often nowhere to return.
      3. -2
        6 December 2023 14: 44
        there is no destiny in our country.

        A person has one destiny - to die, it does not depend on the country...
  13. +14
    6 December 2023 07: 52
    . our president liked to say as he spent almost every year: “It was not easy.”

    Yes, he himself is difficult. And all his friends are difficult!

    This does not make things any easier for ordinary people. After the traditional New Year's price increase, it will not be easy for those with simple salaries.
  14. +8
    6 December 2023 08: 03
    . Lack of an image of an attractive future

    What image of the future could a capital country have that is driven under sanctions and has no national idea?

    But it is precisely with national ideas and ideology that the image of the future can be connected. In the USSR it was light!
    1. -2
      6 December 2023 08: 39
      an image of the future may be associated with ideology. In the USSR it was light

      Of course, Khrushchev promised communism by 80, 80 came without communism, ideology ended - the USSR ended
      1. +9
        6 December 2023 09: 05
        Quote: Vladimir80
        The 80th year came without communism

        Later, one colonel organized very good communism for his friends, in a separate cooperative.
  15. -1
    6 December 2023 08: 09
    I agree with the author - the main thing in the demographic problem is NOT the economic factor. Just look at poor countries - or rather, countries with poor populations - they often have a lot of births. People with incomes of 20, 50, and 100 rubles are talking about the fact that we don’t have enough money and that’s why we don’t give birth. per capita.

    Some quotes:
    "Of course, this will frighten them. Especially if it develops on an increasing scale."

    When there is fear, even animals do not mate, this is true. Although it's primitive :)

    "We need to give people a concrete future and give them the feeling that we are almost at the top of the mountain in the present. It needs to be something long-term, carefully built."

    This is, of course, wonderful, I hope the Author will continue his thoughts. The trouble is that we are talking about public ideology. Nowadays, public ideology is aimed at obtaining benefits for the individual, achieving success, and nothing is offered in return. Children only interfere with a well-fed life - and will always interfere. And there is nothing to offer, not because they cannot come up with it, but because in reality there is nothing except the ideas of personal enrichment, communism (or other ism) and religion.
    1. 0
      6 December 2023 08: 42
      Even animals don't mate when they're afraid, that's true.

      I wonder how things are going with this in our country? Are there any statistics? laughing
    2. +3
      6 December 2023 12: 34
      I can’t stand the word “ideology,” for me it’s synonymous with stuffing people with some kind of nonsense written in dusty offices by people like Suslov.
      I mostly stand for the image of something really pretentious, human-oriented and positive - rather than what I see now. If we can create such an image, many jumpers looking outside will think about the future here. If we can’t, there will be even more jumpers.
      And everyone has their own ideology - the state, first of all, should create a comfortable environment for life and activity, and not teach me how to think. Judging by her successes, the teacher is not yet mature enough.
      I think so.
  16. +2
    6 December 2023 08: 14
    Quote from Bingo
    The birth rate depends on ONE factor - the level of education of the female population. ALL!


    The idea is interesting, but not complete. You can also add about the social status of a woman - even an educated, but completely dependent on her husband, resident of the harem will give birth as much as her husband wants.
    True, the husband must also provide for both the harem and the brood, but this is no longer a question of the woman’s education, you will agree.
  17. -4
    6 December 2023 08: 21
    Taking into account the gender ratio, polygamy could be allowed.
  18. +4
    6 December 2023 09: 29
    Does the author want to use positive television programs to change people’s worldview and sense of reality? Of course, this (programs) can be done quickly, but it is futile. People are no longer naive fools. Wouldn't it be better to change people's feelings through their well-being? But it's expensive.
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 12: 37
      Is the glass half full or half empty? The placement of accents and forms of presentation can make it either this or that for you.
      These are just the first steps of how to start solving the problem. Not everyone here understood that a good feast is not just vodka and Olivier - you need to start small and systematically move on to more important and significant points. There are two articles ahead, please be patient) Everything will be written about.
      1. -1
        6 December 2023 12: 47
        Instead of giving people the opportunity to fill the refrigerator themselves, you offer to hang a still life in it (the refrigerator).
  19. +3
    6 December 2023 09: 31
    Uv. Guardian, a couple of months before the war, you published several good articles on the topic of the relatively sane development of Russia, in February the grandmaster began to revive the greatness of the country, huge losses in the economy, the number of dead and wounded was greater than anything after the Second World War, relations with neighbors were at best zero. Now the article about improving the moral climate and solving the demographic problem, it’s downright alarming for the next year, apparently it will also be extremely difficult. Moreover, the expectation for improvement is exactly the same people who have been in charge for 25 years, with the exception of Chubais, of course, which is encouraging some hope.
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 12: 44
      An old friend of mine once told me, “When you criticize, make suggestions!” . Criticism without suggestions is aimless rubbing of water in a mortar. I, you, and many people don’t like a lot of things. I don’t see that we are heading towards a bright future, every solitaire I play indicates that we are not heading in the wrong direction.
      In order to understand, including for ourselves, how much we are going “in the wrong direction,” how much the declared-desirable-necessary for us differs from what is actually being implemented, I am writing all this.
      There are problems - I think how this could be solved with the full understanding that no one will solve this. I have no illusions about the current elites. However, for many people, the current problems look insurmountable IN PRINCIPLE - I don’t like this view at all. What problems do not want to solve does not mean that they do not exist or that they cannot be solved.
      When you see the possibility of a solution, it moves much more than just shaking the air.
      I see my task partly as pointing out to people and myself that even very complex problems can be segmented and solved. Nothing is impossible.
  20. +6
    6 December 2023 09: 52
    a positive moral climate is the basis for the success of a country and its population, one of the pillars of its attractiveness at the international level.
    They will end up in hell, and we will all go to heaven. Very, positively... smile
  21. 0
    6 December 2023 09: 59
    Quote: Vladimir80
    Even animals don't mate when they're afraid, that's true.

    I wonder how things are going with this in our country? Are there any statistics? laughing


    The animals of our country, unfortunately, for the most part are not patriots, so they are not at all different from foreign animals of the same species, even from unfriendly countries.
  22. +2
    6 December 2023 10: 29
    Recent past. In many places it is real...
    Africa. A hut that any incompetent person can make from branches and clay. A two-year-old child comes out of the hut onto the street. He was kicked out because his mother is pregnant with the next one and is about to give birth. He was kicked out for good. Go ahead and feed yourself as you wish. The baby joins a flock of people like himself and older ones. He is quickly taught how to steal food, how to get it from a landfill among the garbage, ahead of monkeys and other animals, and also how to be in time for the distribution of food by a Western charitable foundation, which spends 90% of the money collected on its own maintenance, and 10% on food. such children. But he spends it. And the baby survives. In addition, he has a strong immunity to many diseases, something that a European child does not have. Where does he live, this little guy? On the street. Where does he sleep? Under a bush, in the company of people like myself. Growing up, he remembers where his hut is. Sometimes he visits, taking into the street pack the next brothers and sisters who are ready to be expelled from the family. Now he is their family...

    Listen, those who are talking about Africa, Indonesia and other warm climate zones. Can you imagine this in Russia? Plunge into reality, look out the window! Having previously wiped the inspection hole in a thick layer of frost due to frost...
    And also try to see the millions of homeless people, mind you, with small children, living on the streets of American cities. When Comrade Xi visited San Francisco the other day, thousands of homeless people from the streets of this city, cared for by charitable foundations, were herded outside its borders so as not to spoil the picture...
    Or maybe you are not able to see through a window covered with beautiful frosty patterns, tens, or even hundreds of millions of people who were born in India on the street, living on this street, not knowing what life is like in a house; feeding once every three days (if you're lucky) from a garbage can, spending the night right on the asphalt (cars diligently go around them), rapidly multiplying there and dying there - maybe this is a worthy example of how we, Russians, should multiply among our snowdrifts? To support demographics, eh?
    Finally use your brains!
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 10: 32
      Finally use your brains!
      There would be something and there would be something... hi
    2. +3
      6 December 2023 11: 52
      Bravo, standing ovation. good hi "" "" "" "
    3. 0
      6 December 2023 12: 49
      It is precisely because of the climate and, as they say, “geographical coordinates” that our priority elements in solving the demographic problem are two pillars - the Moral climate, as a counterbalance to our sour and harsh actual climate, and the Housing issue, because as you correctly noted, we have a population in the favelas cannot live.
      This is the “backbone” of the democratic problem as I see it. Here, many commentators believe that in many ways the democratic problem rests on Mentality, but I put this factor only as the third most important. There are two more articles ahead, Lyudmila! I'm always glad to see your comments!)
  23. +1
    6 December 2023 10: 31
    cartoons for very little ones.

    After this phrase, the level of analytics need not be assessed.
    If the author has not grown up to "Smeshariki" and considers it children's entertainment, there is nothing to talk about with him yet.
    Early.
    Yes, and black stuff about the Soviet past with the obligatory “bloody KGB” or about the horrors of modern life is filmed at the request of those same “real experts with calm faces and cool heads” - the Western viewer wants to see only a wretched and impoverished Russia, and no one is interested in the local one.
    In essence, the author calls for a socialist course of action in a primitive capitalist society.
    It would, of course, be nice, but bringing in another twenty to thirty million Tajiks is much easier.
  24. -1
    6 December 2023 10: 35
    The author immediately repels with his nickname and possibly origin. Something emanates from Schicklgruber. To write something like this, you must honestly give your real name and what country you are a citizen of. Otherwise, the citizens of Israel or Germany or Great Britain teach us how to live. bully
    1. -1
      6 December 2023 20: 11
      citizens of Israel or Germany or Great Britain teach us how to live.
      Don’t you think that it’s worth learning from the citizens of the above-mentioned successful states (who rose not by selling off resources)?
      1. 0
        6 December 2023 20: 36
        No, it never seems like that - and partly, in many ways, this is also the result of the pernicious influence of our agitprop and mass cult. We are very fond of instilling in people the idea of ​​surrounding peoples as worthless or dishonest, attributing their successes to their depravity, meanness or robbery. The practice of despising someone indicatively (insert the name of the type of Small Britain) is very common among us, especially on the basis of leaven or rednecks, it is supported in every possible way in agitprop because it creates a mental arc between the top and bottom, giving the illusion of a certain commonality of perception. All this is very destructive and absolutely not beneficial for introducing innovations or finding ready-made solutions. And, in principle, the formation of a thoughtful and receptive culture.
      2. -1
        7 December 2023 09: 25
        is it worth learning?
        Yeah, especially from our exes, who ended up there, stealing money from Russia, and then, sitting on the stolen money, they teach us how to live from there laughing
        1. 0
          7 December 2023 09: 27
          especially our exes
          It’s worth noting here that no one is fleeing from England with stolen money to Russia for anything. sad , and think further.
          1. -1
            7 December 2023 09: 38
            I don’t care what the local thieves think about, but I’m talking about ours, who, fortunately, have already been thoroughly cleaned there, I hope that after cleaning up the big ones, the local authorities will also take care of all the small tripe, so that others won’t be bothered laughing
  25. +2
    6 December 2023 10: 55
    Young people are now afraid of responsibility and want a lot of freedom. This has been instilled in the West for a long time. There are professional psychologists working in the West who have worked out the methods of zombification, first on their own population, and are now spreading it throughout the world. The goal is to reduce the world's population.
  26. +3
    6 December 2023 11: 35
    Sorry Author, but this article of yours, unlike the comments, turned out to be rather weak.
    “But we take the issue of the current mass culture - after all, its activities can (and should) in such difficult times smooth out accents, entertain people, improve the moral climate, and meet needs by producing a sought-after product.”
    Well, of course, it is precisely because mass culture does not “smooth out the corners”, and not because of low salaries, high prices for everything, lack of housing, etc. etc., not to mention an armed conflict where, let’s say, only certain segments of the population fight and die and which is unknown when it will end, people do not give birth. Really, how simple it is.
    And yet, yes, if I now begin to show the image of that “beautiful 20.... year that we need to strive for,” seeing the not beautiful present, where nothing is really being done to make the distant one beautiful, then yes, I’ll just run, losing my pants move to “raise the demographics”.
  27. +4
    6 December 2023 11: 44
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    I propose to form a new aesthetics in mass culture, because the current one is disgustingly mundane and sows stagnant moods, depression and hopelessness.


    Mass culture is a tool that introduces ideology. A tool, not an ideology itself.
    First - ideology, then - mass culture.

    "In the beginning there was the word..." (c)
    1. -2
      6 December 2023 13: 46

      Mass culture is a tool that introduces ideology.

      I do not agree so categorically. “Idea, IdeaI” - yes, “Ideology” - not at all necessary.
      Just as you can stab with a knife, you can also cut sausages with it - but this does not mean that the knife is exclusively a tool for causing damage to others of its own kind.
      Almost everything said carries some kind of ideas, and behind the formation of a suitable moral climate there can also be an Idea, and this is logical - do we have an idea that we need to raise demographics? Eat. There is an idea that the current climate is flawed - based on a thesis.
      At the same time, we do not need to summarize and justify this under some kind of Ideology; it is enough for us to realize that this is necessary for the future of the country, in ANY form.

      A healthy lifestyle as an Idea shows a person that it is better to be healthy than sick and flabby. Healthy lifestyle as an Ideology leads to a bunch of unnecessary things, pushing away simple and speculative needs for the sake of the Over-Construction. We have already lost direct and effective paths in many areas - why create this line where we can do without it?
      1. +3
        6 December 2023 14: 42
        Ideology is a set of ideas. The idea “let’s have a lot of babies” cannot be introduced to the masses, since it will require motivation, logical or not necessarily logical. A potential parent will immediately say “why”?

        How to explain why a person needs children if they really interfere with earning money? And they will always interfere, regardless of income. In addition, children are health risks, and the children themselves get sick - in general, nothing but trouble.

        Beautiful films, where happy mothers are positive heroes, and unhappy childless ones are negative heroes, will not have any success.

        Therefore, in contrast to ideology, where personal material success is at the forefront, and other motives are secondary and unimportant (and this is precisely the modern mass ideology, it is the reason for the low birth rate), another ideology is needed. And art, the state and everything else can help her.

        The state seems to be doing everything possible in the current economic situation to support the birth rate, but it also operates within the same ideology and under the same economic conditions. Therefore, the result is modest.
        1. -2
          6 December 2023 15: 14
          Ideology is a set of ideas

          There is no set!) And I never spoke about “promotion of childbirth”. The average person will decide for himself whether to give birth or not, but it is possible to create conditions that will organically encourage a significant part to do so. There is no need to stuff people with some kind of propaganda if you can do everything much more elegantly and simply stimulate the most healthy and motivated part of society to do what they already want to do. Simply by removing a number of factors inhibiting this desire.
          Why does everything need to be subsumed under the ideology of a “set of ideas”, if in fact there is stupidly one idea without any set - the idea of ​​making our country something digestible, modern, human-oriented and convenient, as opposed to what we see now.
          If you prefer, you can call it either Juche or ideology - the main thing is the direction of efforts from the station “people are dissatisfied” to the station “it has become more convenient, better and more positive.”

          When I write about changes in mass culture, I do not mean crude propaganda in the early Soviet style with beautiful pioneers and disgusting bourgeois, I only point out that in the current cultural environment there are more than enough images and narratives of archaic, depressive and unsympathetic (as well as dull clichés). and an attractive image has not been formed (or, due to the abundance of unattractive ones, part of the task of mass culture to form an optimistic moral climate among the masses is not fulfilled, and there is considerable demand for this, as can be seen even from the comments). “People eats up,” as many from state channels would say, and it’s true - people eats up just as it eats MPMO, palm oil and trans fats. Another thing is that “like the table, so is the chair” (c) and based on this, there will inevitably be different reactions to what you eat, including long-term ones. Conditionally positive and negative. At the moment, I don’t see why positive things can arise in our mass culture, and I’m pointing this out directly.
          1. +1
            6 December 2023 19: 58
            Quote: Knell Wardenheart
            There is no need to stuff people with some kind of propaganda if you can do everything much more elegantly and simply stimulate the most healthy and motivated part of society to do what they already want to do.

            Why did you decide that the “healthy and motivated part of society” wants to have children? They don't want this at all. If they wanted to, they would do it no matter what.
            1. +3
              6 December 2023 20: 11
              Oh, this is like a lot of assumptions. Why are we even sure that things are objectively the way they are in the current environment and the connection of traditions? Maybe people without the cultural and moral pressure of society would generally want to live in Swedish families. Why did we decide that this is not so? Because from time immemorial there has been a different line? And other peoples had examples of a completely different attitude and nothing, they also lived for themselves and considered it the norm.
              Much that we perceive as fact, as “natural,” although extremely common, has no evidence that it is “optimal” or that it is a “natural desire.” Women in Muslim states wear hijabs on their heads and for generations have convinced themselves that this is necessary, proper and normal. They will perceive a woman without it as an anomaly and the question “how much do they need it personally?” will not ask so much in % terms.
              So everything rests on an assumption based on ideas. I believe that removing part of the burden and improving the climate will contribute to an increase in the birth rate, these are my assumptions.
              You think no, these are your assumptions. The truth can only be established experimentally -)
              1. +3
                7 December 2023 00: 17
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                Oh, this is like a lot of assumptions.

                You can't say anything. They answered correctly. I can’t do it that quickly and efficiently. We need to “digest” the material. Thanks for all three answers. Tomorrow, today I'll try to figure it out.
              2. +1
                7 December 2023 13: 32
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                I believe that removing part of the burden and improving the climate will contribute to an increase in the birth rate, these are my assumptions.
                Do you think not

                I think it will help, but it’s extremely insufficient
                .
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                these are your assumptions

                I am inclined to believe that my assumptions are reality based on two groups of facts. Group 1 - data from family sociology. Group 2 - knowledge of human nature.
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                The truth can only be established experimentally -

                Truth can be foreseen, it can be calculated. This is social engineering. Mistakes, of course, are also possible.
                1. +1
                  7 December 2023 16: 59
                  I am inclined to believe that my assumptions are reality based on two groups of facts. Group 1 - data from family sociology. Group 2 - knowledge of human nature.

                  On some islands of the Pacific Ocean, birds of the same species can be monogamous; on a couple of islands, the same species will be polygamous. A certain difference in conditions and a certain period of time - and all these data taken can change very dramatically. IN CURRENT conditions, the data points us to certain trends and boundaries of “the way it is.” By changing the conditions we will definitely affect the result. We can partly change the conditions, it is within our power.
                  Regarding human nature, people are very... different. Now we have, yes, a demographic complete corral. Demographically, we are no longer a superpower, I would even say that the USSR was a demographically superpower at its last. He did not have enough hands and brains to solve the entire wide range of problems that faced him.
                  So the current situation cannot be resolved at once. There will simply be a choice - more or less effective measures, with more or less side effects. I believe that we have about 40 years “left” to somehow correct something, then there will be a technological hard gap, and even the way we are floundering now will then seem to us the height of potential. I gave figures on what CAN be done over these 40 years in my old articles. Along the upper border. It is unlikely that it will be possible to jump above this value. The brood will definitely not solve everything - the population will also have to be partly increased by attracting migration. We have Russians in the Baltic states, Kazakhstan, etc.

                  As another effective measure to influence demographics, I can point out to you the creation of a state platform for long-term dating. With a NOT commercial approach to algorithms, namely taking into account psychological compatibility, etc. Many people cannot find “their person” and are either lonely or stuck with “not their own” and the question of whether to have children in such a relationship or not is often decided negatively or after birth it all ends in divorce. Could this be improved using science? Can. And this would also give results.
                  I'm not suggesting that I have a complete set of measures - I'm just interested in starting a brainstorming session on how the problem could be solved.
                  1. +1
                    7 December 2023 19: 54
                    Thank you for your detailed and varied answers. I agree with many things. I see that positions are getting closer and mutual understanding is improving. I will look forward to the article about “desire is more important than ability.” I also share this point of view.
  28. +4
    6 December 2023 11: 47
    For social optimism, each subsequent year should be slightly better than the previous one. On the contrary, in our country, despite the “unprecedented growth in disposable income,” there is an annual mantra that no one believes in, but which is repeated, like “a national idea.” A lie cannot be an idea; even scammers say “there is a theme” and not “an idea”. Case, fuck him...
    Pension “reform”, I don’t know what the budget gained from this, but all the components give a fat minus, including, again, social pessimism, someone’s hopes for grandparents being supported by working parents were dashed... yes, some of them seem to be gifted Did the managers also promote a 12-hour working day? All for business, all for winning? Well, well, let them not be offended later when “the Bolsheviks take power” - they will have 16-hour work, and not in the office, but in the open air!
    The goals of the state must also be clear and precise, and blah blah clamps, a boat and investments. These are..., not goals.
    In comparison with this, electrification, collectivization, industrialization, post-war reconstruction, and even “catch up and overtake America” or “development of virgin and fallow lands” - the last two, although doubtful, are at least somehow concrete.
    And “not rocking the boat” is a process, not a goal, in parallel with which there is always “rocking the boat.”
    There was this guy - his name was Sisyphus, so this is what we are now, we are all trying to stretch boundless liberalism like tights over the body of a gigantic empire, it is cracking, we are fastening it with a stapler with iron staples, it is cracking in another place. And you need a cloth uniform with all the regalia and aiguillettes, and boots with hard soles - to kick the enemy.
    No, we will wear Dani Milokhin’s tights on our heroic butt! After all, “reforms cannot be stopped!” (Who would have stopped Serdyukov and Makarov in time!)
    On women's education. I don’t think it’s possible to reverse the process, I can’t even imagine what should happen?
    Are Chechen women completely uneducated? But here are the principles: the man is the head of the family, there are no options, he is obliged to earn money in order to support his family. Respect for elders at the level of religious views.
    Another factor, even after the Great Patriotic War, was noticed: there are no Chechen children in orphanages, despite the whole tragedy of the war and eviction. Because any, even the most distant relative, is obliged to shelter an orphan and raise him along with his own. And this works, despite the fact that these are not laws, not the Criminal Code and the Civil Code, but traditions.
    In the USA, women are also educated, and the reproduction rate is higher than here and in Europe.
    So, education plays a role, but somewhat less than foundations and traditions, as well as social optimism.
    1. +3
      6 December 2023 15: 31
      In the USA, women are also educated, and the reproduction rate is higher than here and in Europe.
      In the USA, the notorious coefficient is given out by uneducated women - the descendants of oppressed and insulted slaves wassat who live on child benefits.
  29. +3
    6 December 2023 11: 54
    Moral climate...
    This is if we ignore the weather.
    Charity plays a significant role in creating a moral climate. This is when the rich or those who simply have the opportunity give part of their income to those in need. Such charity took place in tsarist Russia, was a matter of honor and dignity, and knowledgeable colleagues can cite countless examples of its manifestations.
    Was there charity in the USSR? Well, yes. In a sense it was. During the Second World War, some rich cooperatives (there were such under Stalin) and private entrepreneurs (there were also such) built tanks and airplanes for the Motherland with their personal money. Not much, but it happened.
    As for everyday life, wealthier citizens sometimes shared something with poorer ones. Something like mutual aid. Such cash registers were created in work collectives. Most often they lent until payday. But charity as an institution at the everyday level was absent. For only the state could be a true benefactor. As a result, the institution of charity, which seemed to have ecclesiastical origins, was essentially destroyed.
    What now? Under our slanted and crooked capitalism?
    It would seem that there should be an outpouring of warm, humane charity. Especially considering the poverty of the population. Indeed, funds arose, but then, for various reasons, many of them withered, and somehow it turned out that it is not billionaires who donate to children for expensive medicines, but the whole world collects money.
    There are few shelters for the homeless, which set some conditions that make people reluctant to go to them. A wealthy businessman, Sergei Galitsky, used his own money to build a park for the city. Another wealthy entrepreneur renovated his native school, giving it a palace look, which greatly strained the poor parent community. In turn, parents across the country are very unhappy collecting money for curtains for school windows, tearing away the last...
    And suddenly - SVO!
    I read one of the military telegrams, and tears welled up in my eyes. Every day there are fees. For all. Quadcopters, optics, communications equipment, networks for camouflaging equipment, a full set of medicines, dressings, armor, clothing, shoes, hygiene products, vehicles for evacuating the wounded - too many to list! Collecting. Collected by the whole world. Poor ordinary citizens with a heightened sense of conscience. And other ordinary citizens, or small entrepreneurs, kind, worthy, courageous people, risking their lives, smashing their own cars into rubbish, take it all to the front...
    This is the kind of “ordinary” charity that leads to the establishment of strong horizontal ties between people, making society more friendly and warm despite the stinginess of big capital, whose representatives were supposed to purchase all this - for the front, all this - for the Victory...
    Ha ha ha! -- is not it? For whose victory?
    And fists clench in anger!
    1. +1
      6 December 2023 12: 07
      But here I don’t agree with you.
      This is all reminiscent of attempts to wash a black dog white and, in some way, for those who believe, to stake out a place “at the top” and not “at the bottom” with such actions. Many of these “philanthropists” of the special tsarist period, giving a penny to those in need and taking credit for it, somehow forgot that before this they took rubles from them. hi
      1. +3
        6 December 2023 12: 54
        Right!
        It was rather following Western fashion. Let's say, the same Nobel, being a Westerner and extracting oil on our territory, built good housing for workers, kindergartens, schools, etc., but did not become such a broad example for the rest of the Russian rich. But, perhaps, if the previous historical time had not been interrupted and a new one had not begun, I would have!
        However, history told that Russian elite: “Your time is up, gentlemen!”
        Because everything was really for show - public buildings built with the money of the rich, art galleries, flophouses, hospitals, schools and even grand duchesses in the role of nurses. All this was addressed not to the people, but to their own layer and the West. And the people were required to be only lackeys. And no laudatory speeches in favor of the population and no window dressing in the form of supposed concern for them deceived anyone, the people are gray, but wise. Do they care? This means they need something from us that exceeds “care” many times over and even infinitely. For example, our lives.
        1. +3
          6 December 2023 14: 32
          Nobel, being a Westerner and extracting oil on our territory, built good housing for workers, kindergartens, schools, etc.
          He built, but not at a loss? He received super profits. He lost in less so as not to lose more. If his workers went on strike, they did not put forward economic demands, but political ones. They showed class solidarity with others.
  30. +2
    6 December 2023 11: 55
    The author is a great guy among other authors.

    I understood the essence. The history of a people is the history of its moral ups and downs.The Bible indicated this back in the Old Testament, Deuteronomy chapter 28.
  31. +4
    6 December 2023 12: 20
    Why isn’t anyone concerned about why the institution of family is disappearing?
    There are more divorces than weddings; many people don’t get married until they’re 40.
    1. +1
      6 December 2023 12: 53
      A good point noted. I will try to think about this in the next two articles, specifically in the context of demography.
      This is really a problem.
    2. +3
      6 December 2023 13: 44
      Quote: Nastia Makarova
      Why isn’t anyone concerned about why the institution of family is disappearing?
      There are more divorces than weddings; many people don’t get married until they’re 40.

      We were very concerned.Because family, private property and state linked together by economic feasibility. The way of doing business is changing and big capital is replacing classical statehood with corporate statehood: “the state of 95 gasoline, the state of microelectronics, etc...”. Large corporations are as powerful as states. Even the criminal community - the mafia - is a special state.

      At the same time, morality, attitudes towards religion, gender relations are changing, private small property under capitalism is suppressed in a terrible way, the entire way of life is changing. The main attack of the globalists is on classical statehood, and everything else is a consequence.
  32. +2
    6 December 2023 12: 46
    Everything described in the article takes place and it would be stupid to deny reality. But the idea itself is reminiscent of an old joke when the mice of the entire forest gathered and came with a complaint to the wise owl that they were being eaten by foxes, wolves and other living creatures. And they asked for advice on what to do to preserve the population. The owl advised them to grow wings and move to live in the trees. The mice were at first delighted by the wisdom of the advice, but then they wondered how to do it practically. We went to the owl again, and she told them that I was a theorist and not a practitioner. Then think for yourself. We are all good at theorizing, but when it comes to specific cases, that’s where the problems begin.
    1. +6
      6 December 2023 13: 02
      When it comes to specific cases, we are all faced with the fact that we have one political party using a huge and uncontrollable administration by society. the resource was asked by others who do not have one. If you follow the democratic path, you need to break through the cast-iron foreheads of the potential. voters who are in the deepest depression and indifference - are sure that the existing problems cannot be solved in principle, and whoever comes to power will steal everything, and so on and so forth. This is the moral climate I'm talking about. Without raking these Augean stables, the cart will not move and everything will be as it is.
      Any specific business begins with awareness of the problem, the realization that it can be solved, choosing a strategy of action and asking yourself the question - is it all necessary to deal with all this in the end or will it all burn with a blue flame. There are a lot of people here who just like to rant about how bad-terribly-horrible everything is, but their searches don’t go anywhere beyond that - they don’t even get to the stage of fragmenting the problem.
      It is this complex stagnation that holds them back, and after lamenting, they immediately move on to the point “burn it all with a blue flame.”
      So I just propose to expand the discussion a little further than “Yaroslavna’s crying” in order to ask the question whether it’s real or “the train has already left.” Without the potential voter learned If you ask yourself this question, democracy will not work.
      1. +2
        6 December 2023 15: 00
        Everything is correct, but this is not the reason - it is not that we have one party (the presence of one party creates other reasons, but this is not the reason for the demographic problem). In “democratic” countries, sometimes people are even more depressed, but the reason is deeper.

        If you place personal interests much higher than the interests of other people - family, society, country - then a dead end in development is guaranteed.
        1. +2
          6 December 2023 15: 26
          In democratic countries there is no such degree of government participation in the media as we have. Since you have stolen all the toys under your fat belly, be kind enough to use them for good and not just roll them back and forth, I think so.
          Inspiring depression, panic and latent xenophobic sentiments is a task that our media and product can fully handle, but this task is useless or useful in a very short period, and in the future harmful, just as stimulants are harmful in long periods. Since this tool exists and consumes such a volume of funds, it is worth using it to solve problems in a beneficial way, and not all this empty swarming and clattering.

          If you put personal interests much higher than the interests of other people - family, society, country - then a dead end in development is guaranteed

          A typical example of a Soviet axiomatic postulate. There were a bunch of postulates of this kind, but in the end everything was covered without pretentiousness, so in fact they were worthless.
          Everyone in life is driven by PERSONAL interests, whether they are high or low is another matter. In the era of globalism, not only values ​​are chosen, but also the environment of development and habitat. This is a fact, how the modern world works. You can continue to deny it, just as the USSR tried to deny it - but where did it lead it? Moreover, the way everything works “in fact” pushed through that system.
          Isn't it better, instead of another bunch of denial, to simply learn to use tools for the benefit of structures that would be useful for development? Human aspirations can be managed in a direction that is objectively beneficial for both the individual and the country. This is not manipulation - this is a line to support mutually beneficial directions. For some reason we love to look at such a simple philosophy through a distorting mirror - not to stimulate but to force, not to give but to take away or impose. Do not create conditions, but rub in some kind of game and shout about it from every iron. What I'm writing about is reorienting this flawed and regressive model into something more useful and less disgusting.
  33. +4
    6 December 2023 12: 48
    A little off topic, am I the only one who, after updating the site, every time I go to a topic, all the comments on the new one are not read? And how can I fix this if it's just me?
    1. +3
      6 December 2023 14: 53
      Same thing. I don't know how to fix it.
    2. +2
      6 December 2023 15: 28
      Yes, there are a lot of mistakes and the site began to lag, and the comments.. I hope this will be corrected, because with the exception of the bell, everything has become worse than it was.
  34. +2
    6 December 2023 12: 49
    V.V. Putin spoke about the minimum required population size of 200 million people.

    Raising the retirement age is aimed at increasing the number of workers and saving money on maintaining pensioners - they leave later, take longer to create material and other values ​​for the ruling class, which incurs less costs for maintaining pensioners before they leave for the next world.

    Stimulating the birth rate does not have a significant impact on the population and does not solve the problem, but it slightly increases the standard of living.

    The purchase of labor in friendly state formations of Central Asia faces cultural and other problems, and threatens demographic and social problems.

    The war removed over 300 thousand of the working population from the economy, which exacerbated the personnel problem to the limit.
    Several million people in new territories cannot solve the problem in principle. On the contrary, the need for labor there is much greater due to the restoration of the destroyed infrastructure. In addition, better climatic conditions contribute to population migration from the Trans-Ural, Siberian and Far Eastern provinces.

    An attractive future consists of individual programs and national projects, global trends and scientific and technological progress.
    The transition to digital banknotes, artificial intelligence and genetic engineering opens up fantastic prospects for controlling and managing people. Even Elon Musk is aware of the threat and advocates the adoption of international restrictive measures.
  35. +2
    6 December 2023 14: 43
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    At the same time, we do not need to summarize and justify this under some kind of Ideology; it is enough for us to realize that this is necessary for the future of the country, in ANY form.


    Within the framework of modern ideology, the future of the country is less important than the personal future.
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 15: 33
      What does the average person need about the future of the country if it is not consonant with his own vision of the future?
      Surely you won’t sit until the bitter end at a seminar where they will bully you about some absolutely alien and unnecessary nonsense? In our country, traditionally and since ancient times, the state perceives its children as some kind of “fixers” whose essence is to spin wheels and patch holes.
      It's very entertaining, but it's an incredibly stupid design. It is the state that exists to satisfy the needs of people, and not vice versa. On the contrary, this was during the time of Prince Igor, when the prince and his squad came for tribute “and then as they please.”
      There are now enough more successful states, and if our competitive strategy is based on the fact that “our model has more trash, hardcore and overall hemorrhoids” then, yes, of course there will be some admirers, but % of those who want to leave such a system are legally energy conservation will only increase over the years.
      1. +1
        6 December 2023 16: 32
        The state is an instrument in the hands of those who rule to control those who are ruled.

        If we lived in a country with a homogeneous population - not with equal, but with at least small social, property, ideological and national differences, then the state would have to ensure that the interests of the entire population are reflected, but our population is heterogeneous, and representatives are in power certain layers - not the poorest. Therefore, it reflects their interests, and in relation to the rest it pursues a policy of containment, ensuring “social peace.” It copes with this and the further, the better.

        How we differ from most other “civilized” countries is the absence of mechanisms for influencing the state on the part of precisely those layers that do not rule, and this is the majority of the population. In those countries, institutions and models of behavior developed over centuries force one to reckon with the “lower classes”; we do not have these mechanisms - more precisely, they are rather an imitation.

        How do we differ from countries with a total ideology - we do not have such an ideology, for example, religious fundamentalism or communism, in these countries many things are taboo, which is also a counterbalance to the state, thus forcing it to take into account the interests of the majority - or rather, how these interests are understood by the majority themselves, taking into account the prevailing ideology. These countries place the interests of the individual below the interests of other objects - society or religious ideas.

        That is, we, taking as a basis the idea of ​​​​the primacy of personal interests, did not take institutions for the influence of the interests of the majority individuals on the state. And we give birth a little in the same way as in “civilized” countries, since we have the same ideology - the ideology of personal success.

        And our competitive strategy is bad, due to the lack of institutions for the majority to influence the state. This, of course, is the answer to another question.
  36. +3
    6 December 2023 14: 48
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    I can’t stand the word “ideology,” for me it’s synonymous with stuffing people with some kind of nonsense written in dusty offices by people like Suslov.


    Nevertheless, it is ideology that is the cause of the poor demographic situation.

    But again, the situation can be corrected by immigration, workers can be brought in, and the fact that Russians will disappear in a generation - so who is to blame for this except ourselves, who prefer comfort to difficulties with children?
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 15: 35
      Nevertheless, it is ideology that is the cause of the poor demographic situation.

      Well, if you can call a collection of idiotic imposed ideas from different eras an “ideology,” then yes, there is one.
      And the fact that this negatively affects demographics is a fact. This is why we are discussing all this now!)
  37. 0
    6 December 2023 14: 50
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    Several million people in new territories cannot solve the problem in principle


    Moreover, an increase in territory also requires an increase in population, so we no longer need 200 million.
    1. +2
      6 December 2023 15: 38
      In my series of articles written before the SVO, I came up with a figure of 240-250 million people. This is what we objectively need in order to have the desired degree of self-sufficiency, strength as a “superpower” and create enough suitable products and quality of services within the country for the people to be satisfied. With the annexation of new territories, if this figure has changed, it has not changed significantly, because there is no task to populate everything and more - there are niches for which people will be needed in an ambitious country.
    2. 0
      7 December 2023 00: 34
      The population density in the annexed territories is higher than the Russian average. Population growth is more significant compared to territory growth.
  38. +2
    6 December 2023 14: 52
    Quote: Jacques Sekavar
    An attractive future consists of individual programs and national projects, global trends and scientific and technological progress.


    Alas, it doesn't work out. Scientific and technological progress makes life more comfortable, but the need for comfort is growing at an even faster rate.
    And the global trends are precisely such that “urban people don’t want to give birth.”
    1. 0
      7 December 2023 00: 36
      In France, for example, there is a long tradition, dating back to the 19th century, of the birth rate in rural areas being lower than in cities.
  39. +2
    6 December 2023 15: 03
    Quote: Boris55
    The media do not convey information, they shape our worldview.
    We need to start solving demographics with the media.


    They form a worldview in accordance with ideology.
  40. +1
    6 December 2023 15: 53
    In all developed countries, the birth rate is low. I’m not sure that this problem can be solved in principle without becoming an African country.
    1. -4
      6 December 2023 16: 36
      This problem is solved by managed immigration. Not without costs, but nothing more.
  41. +2
    6 December 2023 17: 05
    Quote: Doccor18
    No matter how you look at it, economics is the deciding factor now.

    Quote: Doccor18
    No matter how you look at it, economics is the deciding factor now.

    The picture is not as beautiful as they show on TV. All the numbers they give to the president are bullshit!! 3/4 of the population “get by” on 20-25-30 thousand rubles. A child is a ticket to poverty. Their “maternal capital” can be shoved far away - the child wants to eat now, and needs to be bathed and washed now. You can believe that I raised 2 under Putin, thank God they are slowly getting on their feet. But almost all of the money goes towards them. hi
  42. +3
    6 December 2023 19: 12
    Overall, an interesting article and the author is right in many ways.
    The modern moral climate of society is in a disgusting state, which has an extremely negative impact on demographics. The author suggests two broad steps to change this condition. This is the creation of a positive information background and the introduction of a positive image of the future.
    However, these actions will be completely insufficient. Children will have to be taught “family science” from a young age, and adults will have to be re-educated. Re-education of adults is especially important. Because without the correct behavior of adults, children will have nowhere to appear, as we all know. The author does not yet see these two problems.
    1. +1
      6 December 2023 20: 21
      However, these actions will be completely insufficient. Children will have to be taught “family science” from a young age, and adults will have to be re-educated. Re-education of adults is especially important. Because without the correct behavior of adults, children will have nowhere to appear, as we all know. The author does not yet see these two problems.

      Of course, the author has also already raised these questions - https://topwar.ru/221811-o-vazhnosti-formirovanija-kultury-vzaimodejstvija.html
      I believe that now we live in an era of powerful information overload with “flood”, “trash”, advertising and layers of nonsense, in such conditions people, especially young people, will inevitably have to be taught a culture of interaction. This does not mean that in this case we will include the imposition of the need to create something there, such as a family. But this means that the skills and mechanisms for building relationships will be unified and there will be a minimum of discrepancies coming from upbringing. Having a common mechanism in their hands, people will decide for themselves, each for themselves, what to do with it. Those who want to be fruitful and multiply, create families, etc. will create without obstacles and with effective support from the state. Whoever doesn’t want it is their right, it is important that it is theirs deliberate choice . And for this, in order for the choice to be conscious and not conditional, a person must have a certain set of tools and skills. Social communication skills, basics of social interaction. Some uniform rules of folk etiquette, on the basis of which it is much more convenient to resolve conflicts or not provoke them, than without.
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        7 December 2023 13: 22
        The answer came to two posts at once.
        Quote: Knell Wardenheart
        This does not mean that in this case we will include the imposition of the need to create something there, such as a family.

        This is somewhat unexpected.
        Without a family there can be no people, society and children. Children raised in “incubators” are not able to create their own families and reproduce. This is scientific data. Only the family reproduces children and people.
        Therefore, family propaganda and agitation for the family are the basis for solving the demographic problem. Without a family there will be no children.
        So the efforts of any measures correcting demographics in reasonable approaches will always focus on those who are being held back by objectively existing factors, and not necessarily consciously.

        It seems that people are held back by objectively existing factors from the birth of only the 1st or 2nd child. They themselves don’t want 3-4 children. And the base of the “healthy and motivated part of society” is extremely small and will not affect the overall indicators in any way. What is needed is the mass reproduction of third, and partly fourth, children and, accordingly, agitation in this direction.
        The author does not believe that forcing or pressuring people to give birth is a good idea.

        This goes without saying. There are softer methods.
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          7 December 2023 16: 37
          This does not mean that in this case we will include the imposition of the need to create something like a family

          I probably should have highlighted the word “IMPOSATION” somehow in caps. Look at this thing - there are still many people who don’t like the propaganda of homosexuality. This is alien to us, it is not interesting to us. But someone thinks that they know better than us what we need and what should be interesting.
          And it's pretty... disgusting. What’s disgusting in this case is not even WHAT values ​​are being promoted - what’s disgusting is that someone out there decides what needs to be bothered with your eyes. This person doesn’t know you, he doesn’t know your tastes, circumstances, etc. From his point of view, you are just some kind of object that needs to rub something in - and that means you will watch advertisements for feminine pads or credit products, which means you will listen to these endless crucifications of the pernicious West and much more. It’s alien to you personally. Propaganda is large-scale, targeted, it is always the same violence. And propaganda itself - ANY propaganda - needs to be taken under powerful control and preferably significantly limited. Because the voice of the human mind and our own desires has long been firmly clogged with this droning and flood that surrounds us. This is all violence against human brains; for good reason, a separate article should be written about this and about how much it accumulates and destroys natural processes in society.
          So I’ll summarize - I don’t like the very principle of “propaganda”. I understand perfectly well that NOT EVERYONE can start a family, and that’s normal. Not everyone can have children - and that's okay. It may not even be a matter of desire or unwillingness. And these people should not be raped or defamed, which will be an inevitable consequence of a propaganda campaign.
          My solution is very simple - I propose to create conditions (in a complex, and in future articles I will consider this line) that will support those who want to start a family and give birth. Which will remove the burden from these people - moral, climatic, housing, etc. Those who are at least somewhat interested in this will catch up. For those who don’t, let’s leave these people alone, just as we want gays with their propaganda and advertising of credit products to leave us alone.
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          7 December 2023 16: 41
          It seems that people are held back by objectively existing factors from the birth of only the 1st or 2nd child. They themselves don’t want 3-4 children. And the base of the “healthy and motivated part of society” is extremely small and will not affect the overall indicators in any way. What is needed is the mass reproduction of third, and partly fourth, children and, accordingly, agitation in this direction.

          Perhaps I overestimate the healthy part of society, perhaps you underestimate.
          Now nask. I see these people are under pressure from circumstances and aesthetics. After this pressure is eliminated, there will be a reorientation to new conditions for some time.
          No matter how disgusted I am with “propaganda,” this phenomenon cannot be completely avoided - and POSSIBLY to some extent these tools will be needed, but definitely NOT to excite the entire audience. Targeted - POSSIBLE. And extremely delicate.
          Here, first you need to resolve the issue with those who are most motivated to reproduce - then, based on the first results, make adjustments. There is no need to immediately detonate a nuclear bomb if you can solve the problem with artillery.
    2. +2
      6 December 2023 20: 31
      And another moment - a fundamental moment. The author does not think that forcing people giving birth or forcing them to do so under pressure is a good idea. Therefore, I understand perfectly well that despite the measures I indicate, many will live as they lived. And this is normal - as nature shows, the population, in the case of suitable conditions, is restored quite quickly not due to the efforts of all individuals, but due to the efforts of the most active ones. Those people who believe that we have already lost such potential, in my opinion, are at the very bottom of pessimism - for them, the destructive work of the pernicious influence of our media has ended in absolute success. Soaked in emptiness and fatalism to the very toes am
      So the efforts of any measures to correct demographics in reasonable approaches will always focus on those who are constrained by objectively existing factors, and not necessarily consciously. Among other things, these people are also capable of setting a trend (or trend of action, for those who do not like Anglicisms) in case of even partial success, which will add to their number the wavering part of society. If all this is not turned into a pile of dog poop by inept agitpropites (and we have a habit of making some kind of megaloabsurdity out of something good), then this alone can greatly reverse the trends of our demographics.
      The problem is not even to introduce positive trends - the problem is to do it powerfully enough and radically change the situation in the next 40-50 years. In a series of my articles written before the SVO, I spent quite a lot of letters explaining how important this is. We no longer have a hundred years to grow slowly. We need to take this very seriously.
  43. +1
    6 December 2023 20: 55
    I'll say it briefly. I support what the author said hi
  44. +2
    6 December 2023 22: 36
    “...we built, built and finally built..” A “happy” capitalist state with elements of feudalism. “Happy” with the new boyars and “effective” top managers, citizens of other states, the tax-paying population began to decline rapidly. Who is guilty? Clearer than clear. What to do? . Return to the welfare state. Performance
    Article 7.1 (Constitution of the Russian Federation)
    "1. The Russian Federation is a social state whose policy is aimed at creating conditions that ensure a decent life and free development of people."
  45. 0
    7 December 2023 07: 34
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Everyone in life is driven by PERSONAL interests, whether they are high or low is another matter. In the era of globalism, not only values ​​are chosen, but also the environment of development and habitat. This is a fact, how the modern world works. You can continue to deny it, just as the USSR tried to deny it - but where did it lead it?


    In this case, children are not needed - which, in fact, is what happens. “High” or “low” level is up to the person to decide.

    And it is obvious that the demographic problems characteristic of “democratic” countries are also characteristic of us, and due to higher living standards they are less noticeable there, that’s all.
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      7 December 2023 11: 33
      Both in the USA and in the EU, the demography is positive, i.e. their population is growing, including due to brood. Yes, there is strong migration, but the brood is also positive. The fact that these values ​​are not as radical as in India indicates the overall saturation of “vacancies” within the EU - housing, work, and so on. Since this society is modern, urban and highly informational, the conscious (and semi-conscious) decision for women to give birth or not will be based, among other things, on the observed picture. In human society, just like in animals, there are synchronization mechanisms and their influence is great because man is a herd creature.
      Often, what we consider to be a manifestation of “our choice” is actually the work of cunning mechanisms of the subconscious or hormones that rely on how the subconscious works. Here we can say an analogy with “chaos theory”, only instead of some butterfly on the other side of the world causing a hurricane with the flapping of its wings, in our case, the accumulation of some abstract garbage can influence our making of very important decisions, our well-being and quality of life. If this garbage is put on shelves, its effect will dissolve like morning fog, but in accumulation it will create an effect, a person on a subconscious level will have a picture that influences his decision-making, limiting his moves.

      I have a friend, a madam, for whom the presence of four children did not prevent her from getting a second degree, building a career, learning to drive a car, painting in oils, and after all this, getting married. So while I am observing something like this, I am more than sure that there is still tobacco in tobacco shops, although, of course, not everyone has it. But as I already said, demographics will not be raised by everyone.
  46. -1
    7 December 2023 07: 40
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    The problem is not even to introduce positive trends - the problem is to do it powerfully enough and radically change the situation in the next 40-50 years.


    These are all words that, unfortunately, will not lead to any positive change. The entire Western civilization, which professes the principles of the priority of personal interests, has demographic problems - and Russia is no exception. You can spend resources - to clear your conscience - on promoting childbirth, you can start a couple more national projects, where effective managers will effectively manage budgets and show excellent reporting - but all this will only help calm the conscience, like, we tried, but no more.

    Objective laws cannot be fooled.
    1. -1
      7 December 2023 09: 18
      Objective laws cannot be fooled

      This is true, “trees that do not bear good fruit are cut down and thrown into the oven...”
    2. +1
      7 December 2023 11: 52
      The fact is that there will be no positive shift - most likely yes. For a quarter of a century, our circus has already shown its entire repertoire, and among this repertoire there was nothing suitable “based on”.

      As for the rest, I disagree - specifically regarding “priority of personal interests”. This is what the layers of leftist philosophy say in you; they have produced a lot of dogmas. They sound beautiful and are easy to learn for moralists, but behind most of them there is nothing more than an outer form of papier-mâché.

      Don't you like the fact that "priority of personal interests" negatively affects demographics? Here, we take some family from Gabon or Nigeria. There they will nag children like Papa Carlo, without bothering at all about their future, or about the “priority of public interests” - stupidly about anything. Isn’t this the quintessence of the same egoism that you are talking about - people do exactly WHAT THEY WANT.
      And the demographics are only growing because of this - so Oo.
      In general, why did you decide that giving birth is not in your personal interests? The fact that this is not interesting to you specifically, that you are, for example, dead inside, as they say, does not mean that it will not be interesting to a significant part of society, which will cover the hole in the statistics from your pass.
      Personal interests are not only dry logic that rests on personal goals of making as much hay for a person as possible, it is generally a direction for him to DO WHAT HE WANTS. According to evolutionary laws, those who choose the wrong path in such a strategy leave their reproductive line, and the reproductive line is further led by those whose strategy is more optimal for this.
      Someone will want to make a career - for health, and someone will want to tinker with children - what I propose is a set of measures to support these people and minimize potential barriers to the fulfillment of their aspirations.
      You point me to the West - what does this West mean to me, I don’t care about the fate of the world or Europe, I live in the Russian Federation, I see the situation in the Russian Federation and proceed from what I observe. The problem is solvable, there is nothing mystical and no fatalism in it.
  47. +1
    7 December 2023 07: 42
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    The author does not believe that forcing or pressuring people to give birth is a good idea.


    How could it happen that it would work, but at the same time do nothing :) The author is just offering propaganda, and propaganda is a tool of motivation, that is, pushing, like any advertising, be it commercial or social.
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      7 December 2023 12: 04
      Propaganda is when Solovyov will tell you from every angle how good, fun and exciting it is when there are 6 children in a family. And some models who have never given birth with child actors on TV will portray happy large families in social advertising, smiling so that you have the feeling that you’ll finish 4-6 and your life will immediately bloom with all the colors of psychedelia.
      Propaganda is when your wife gets a call from the clinic and asks, “Well, when are we going to give birth? It’s too old.” When you stand at a bus stop and someone’s photo, happy and spiritual, like Madonna, is staring at you from the stand - and under it is the caption “Mother Heroine so-and-so, gave birth to 12 children and wants more.” Propaganda is when in action films, horror films, detective films and so on, they will “sort of imperceptibly” insert a hefty case of how cool and harmonious it is to give birth, children and so on. And in the newspapers, for example, and in the Yandex feed, there will be news about the opening of maternity hospitals and records for the birth of quintuplets - in short, news that no one needs, but an “order”.

      So, I propose to SIMPLY FORM A LESS TOXIC CLIMATE in the media and mass culture.
      I didn’t write a WORD about PROPAGANDA, I don’t need to mold your demons - I have enough of my own. People will decide for themselves what they want and what they don’t want, yes, you can gracefully and homeopathically push them to this, but if a person stupidly DOESN’T WANT, then nothing good will come of any pushing, even if he gives birth. The measures as I see them do not focus on stupidly fumigating everyone, which is what propaganda is doing - these are measures aimed at improving the social climate in GENERAL and supporting THE MOST INTERESTED in particular.
  48. 0
    7 December 2023 07: 47
    Author, no one cares about the lead clouds, everyone who cares has already stormed the upper Lars. There is only one reason for demography - poverty, chthonic, absolute, total poverty.
    And the point here is not in salaries, not only in them. A person can have an income of 100 and 200 thousand, but!:
    - liquid flows from the tap, not water
    - there is a skating rink in the yard, not a sidewalk
    - houses made of shit and sticks and apartments of humiliating areas
    - in schools and kindergartens there is hell
    - education in general: clownery and profanity
    - no security
    - food to the store: slops, etc.
    There is no money for anything in the country
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      7 December 2023 10: 15
      Everything you listed is not happening because of someone’s poverty.

      Every morning I walk to the garage past several houses. In front of some of them there is a skating rink, and in front of others there is a path cleared to asphalt. People with approximately the same income live in houses.

      In this case, it is not a matter of poverty.
  49. +1
    7 December 2023 10: 40
    "...problems of migration and questions about the need to increase demographics."
    You better think through measures to increase the FERTILITY RATE, and increasing the demographics is the same as “Forward to the victory of communism!” Damn literacy. [media=http:// migration problems and questions about the need to increase demographics.]
  50. 0
    7 December 2023 11: 41
    I absolutely agree with the author. Previously (as an old man who lived for a long time under the USSR) there was such a concept - GOAL. At that time it was obvious - communism. And now? To grab more from the chosen ones, and for the rest to grab scraps from the master's table??? The Western consumer society is alive and well...an example for us? Why are they ready to steal our children??? The constant chatter about the national idea is already exhausting! But there are places where you can find good advice. I understand that not everyone is ready to accept truisms from some church books... but still. There is a wonderful story in the New Testament about a rich young man. He approached Christ and asked a question - how to get into the Kingdom of Heaven? I seem to be following everything. God answered him - give away all your property! And the young man walked away...
    They often show sick children on TV...poor parents asking for money for treatment. Sympathy...pity...and the rich...Where are our elite??? And we will have an increase in the birth rate... I think I will not live to see such an event, given the current state of affairs...
  51. -1
    7 December 2023 11: 56
    https://dzen.ru/a/ZO-dDcgHqVzq2sO_
    How relevant are the words of Rolan Bykov. Just in this topic.
  52. +1
    7 December 2023 12: 13
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Both in the USA and in the EU, the demography is positive, i.e. their population is growing, including due to brood.

    I have different data, the birth rate is also falling, and is no longer sufficient for reproduction. Data for 2020: Germany - 1.53, France - 1.83, Britain - 1.56, Finland - 1.37 (the poor guys are completely frozen), USA - 1.64 and even Turkey - 1.92.

    Those. everywhere it is less than 2, while to maintain the number, an average of 2.1 is necessary.

    Russia - 1.50 (excluding regions and nationalities, on average), and our “donors” Tajikistan - 3.24, Uzbekistan - 2.90, Kyrgyzstan - 3.00.

    The demographic problem is common to all countries of the conventionally European type. Israel, however, with its 2.90, is apparently not the European type. :)

    By the way, China is 1.28, but there are still a lot of them.

    These data are for 2020.
  53. +1
    7 December 2023 12: 44
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    In general, why did you decide that giving birth is not in your personal interests?


    I didn’t decide this, I already gave birth to mine :)

    This has been decided by today's generation and no one can prove to them that giving birth is for personal interests - the way these interests are understood, namely career, income, success, pleasure. For all this, children are just a hindrance.
  54. +1
    7 December 2023 12: 49
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    So, I propose to SIMPLY FORM A LESS TOXIC CLIMATE in the media and mass culture.


    This is propaganda - shaping the climate in the media. Creating a healthy climate, that is, social advertising, is one of the types of propaganda.

    IMHO, you put a negative meaning into the concept of propaganda, but propaganda is a tool, and not a prohibited one.

    Control of the masses of the population by the state (and not only) is achieved in various ways, not only through violence or the threat of violence. If you control consciousness, as you suggest, then less violence will be needed.
    1. +2
      7 December 2023 17: 11
      I see that it is impossible to prove something to a person who does not want to see it.
      The current mass culture and media are ALREADY busy with propaganda. It's just propaganda that is useless or harmful.
      The fact that I propose to remove this and take the vacated space with a more positive case of events and information of which there is enough information, the fact that I propose to replace ordinary stamped crafts with more interesting and original things - this is what you consider propaganda.
      Propaganda of what? The fact that life as a whole is more positive than the brutal boredom and hopelessness that we so love to paint? Well, do you like to think that the objective state of affairs is propaganda, and the existing information flow is the “normal state of affairs” - yes please) This is your right, then you can consider that I am propaganda.
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        7 December 2023 17: 35
        Of course, mass culture is busy with propaganda.
        You propose to replace bad propaganda with good one, I believe that in this case there will be no effect.

        I may not understand some things, since I hardly watch TV. But even 10 minutes of viewing per day is enough for me to understand that propaganda rules.
  55. +1
    7 December 2023 17: 36
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Propaganda of what? The fact that life as a whole is more positive than the brutal boredom and hopelessness that we so love to paint?


    Well, yes, promoting a healthy lifestyle :) Psychological health is also health.
  56. +1
    8 December 2023 13: 00
    Marriage is based not only on love, but also on independence from parents. Give every registered couple a place in a hostel and see an increase in the birth rate.
    1. +1
      8 December 2023 17: 26
      This will be what my next article will be about. Already sent for moderation.