Russia will not forgive the West for the humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people in Ukraine

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Russia will not forgive the West for the humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people in Ukraine

My husband is a Muscovite. The wife is a citizen of Ukraine. Or vice versa – the wife is a Russian citizen, the husband is a resident of Kiev.

The son is a Russian citizen, lives and works in Norilsk. Parents are in Sumy. The daughter is a citizen of Russia, married to a citizen of Ukraine, lives in Nikolaev. Parents are in Vologda.



This is a completely typical picture that was widespread for previous generations.

Now they are completely deprived of the right and opportunity to see each other. And even go to a funeral to see off a loved one into another world.

It's not just inhumane. This is gigantically inhumane.

After the victory of the Maidan, the Kiev regime systematically and persistently severed ties between relatives. He carried out unimaginable bullying on the Ukrainian-Russian border and limited the length of stay of Russian citizens in Ukraine. And he almost introduced a visa regime.

Think about it. Visa regime. For a daughter who is going to go see her mother. For grandparents who have not seen their grandchildren for several years. For a son who needs to come to his father's funeral.

And even small children in Ukrainian schools were earnestly and purposefully prepared to kill the same children in Russia. They were artificially forced to forget Semyon Timoshenko and Kliment Voroshilov, Sidor Kovpak and Ivan Kozhedub, Mark Bernes and Leonid Bykov. And they also forced their loved ones in Russia to forget.

A whole generation of mankurts was successfully raised and formed.

It was from them that the punitive gangs of the “National Corps”, “Azov” and other nationalist formations were assembled. They became the main force behind the shelling of Donbass.

All these actions were carried out on instructions from Washington, London, Ottawa, Brussels and other Western capitals, which urgently and within a limited time frame needed to create an artificial Ukrainian nation so that it would perish in the war against Russia.

A nation hostile to Russia in everything. And even in families.

The President of Russia called the Russian people the most torn people in the world. And he's absolutely right.

Here is one of millions of true stories.

Once upon a time there lived a family in Poltava. Father, mother and two sons of the same age. Both entered higher military schools. Senior - to the Kiev Higher Engineering Radio Engineering School of Air Defense in 1988. Junior - to the Barnaul Higher Military aviation Pilot School named after Air Chief Marshal K. A. Vershinin in 1989.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the eldest son remained in Ukraine. The youngest is in Russia. Married in 1991.

Their father died in 2009, their mother is alive.

The eldest son holds a command position in the Ukrainian air defense. The youngest son flies in the Russian Aerospace Forces. Both, of course, have children.

And some of them, perhaps, are in the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And some are in the Russian Armed Forces.

After 2014, the eldest son refused to communicate with his brother. And in every possible way limits his communication with his mother. He serves in the Armed Forces of Ukraine in high ranks and organizes air defense.

Many, many officers and generals of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, who were not zealous enough to abandon their relatives in Russia, were simply kicked out of the army after 2014.

The youngest son continues to fly in the Russian Aerospace Forces.

Perhaps the eldest son, without realizing it, but suspecting something wrong and tragic, can destroy the plane flown by his younger brother.

Probably, the younger son, without guessing, but suspecting something wrong and tragic, can strike at the object where the older brother is at that time.

For all this, for suffering and death, for broken lives, there will be no forgiveness or oblivion. As for the atrocities of the Nazi punitive forces, thousands of destroyed cities and villages, 27 million killed Soviet citizens during the Great Patriotic War.

No and there will never be such a thing.
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  1. +18
    1 December 2023 04: 46
    according to instructions from Washington, London, Ottawa, Brussels
    They worked fruitfully, brother is fighting against brother!
    1. +2
      1 December 2023 05: 57
      Quote from Uncle Lee
      They worked fruitfully, brother is fighting against brother!

      Yuri Baturin is an artist, born in Ukraine, his father is Ukrainian, a former Soviet officer, he says about his parents - “I am their enemy.”
      1. +23
        1 December 2023 07: 28
        1. I don’t remember something... but who was responsible for the collapse of the USSR? For Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Did Chubais even answer for anything?
        2. There is an order - it must be carried out.
    2. +9
      1 December 2023 07: 01
      Unfortunately, this is a Western Jesuit-Masonic strategy - to pit people against each other and happily count profits on the sidelines.

      Discord and fratricide are the hardest to treat.

      But I have hope for the recovery of Ukraine. If the Little Russian nation does not recover from Bandera's insanity, well....it will have to be destroyed. Otherwise, cannibalistic Ukrainians will destroy us.
      1. +16
        1 December 2023 08: 08
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        this is a Western Jesuit-Masonic strategy - to pit people against each other

        And some accuse the communists of planting mines under the Russian capitalist statehood.
        But the real mine was planted in Belovezhskaya Pushcha by Yeltsin and Kravchuk. This is the starting point when the country and the united people were torn apart. Everything else was a consequence and a logical chain of events.

        In new caps. countries had no ideologies. And in one of them the West began to cultivate nationalism.
        And the other was amazed by the ideal consumerism and consumption. She had no time for this.
        1. +14
          1 December 2023 16: 26
          Belovezhskaya Pushcha is just the finale, which has already been predetermined. All active preparation and “mining” began a year before, and it was completely open and not hidden from anyone. The USSR intelligence services tried to prevent this and tried to convince Gorbachev of the creation and implementation of the State Emergency Committee on behalf and by decision of the President of the USSR, but... his distrust of his own security forces was pathological. As a result, they wasted time and the authority of the State Emergency Committee was completely wrong. Yeltsin is, of course, Judas, but what can you call those who watched and did nothing. Yes, and we (the people) - too many people applauded Yeltsin. The easiest way is to name a couple of names and blame everything on them.
          1. +5
            3 December 2023 20: 47
            Quote from: blackGRAIL
            Yeltsin is, of course, Judas, but what can you call those who watched and did nothing. Yes, and we (the people) - too many people applauded Yeltsin. The easiest way is to name a couple of names and blame everything on them.

            But we must admit that what Yeltsin and his gang promised was completely different; what they did, our people, unfortunately, were too gullible.
        2. -6
          3 December 2023 12: 41
          Nothing like that, it was the commies with Lenin who gave the original Russian lands to the Ukrainians: Lugansk region, Donetsk region, Nikolaev region, Zaporozhye region, Kherson region, Kharkov region, Odessa region. ,Crimea . Now return everything back!!!!!
          1. +1
            4 December 2023 14: 02
            Quote: alebdun2000
            it was the commies and Lenin who gave the original Russian lands to the Ukrainians

            The communists did not give anything to anyone. On the contrary, they annexed Ukraine to the USSR! Can capitalists do this?
        3. +2
          4 December 2023 11: 20
          Western ideology is the reformatting or destruction of all countries and peoples who disagree with their global dominance, by any possible means, so we will never be able to live with them in peace and harmony.
  2. +9
    1 December 2023 04: 54
    [For all this, for suffering and death, for broken lives, there will be no forgiveness and oblivion. As for the atrocities of the Nazi punitive forces, thousands of destroyed cities and villages, 27 million killed Soviet citizens during the Great Patriotic War.]
    Very well said!
    But if only everyone understood this in the Nazi 404! After all, they were so brainwashed that brother refuses brother, which is what the author mentions. And I believe it!
    I have in my so-called relatives a native of the outskirts, and this native looks at Russian resources on the Internet? You are wrong! Only unfinished! Apparently my heart aches for the abandoned Banderaites and vodka with lard!
    1. +5
      1 December 2023 06: 00
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      I have in my so-called relatives a native of the outskirts, and this native looks at Russian resources on the Internet? You are wrong! Only unfinished!

      Yes, not only you, but also many people have this situation and I am no exception.
      1. +2
        2 December 2023 11: 34
        The author of the article put everything together. Let's finally call a spade a spade: we have been repeating the mantra about “brotherly people” for too long and have endured and forgiven everything. And most importantly: of course, we have a common past. The future and the present are different. And finally, we are different. Different countries. Different views on history. Different - citizenship. There are borders between us. The past cannot be returned. We must live in the future. Now everything depends on our army.
    2. +3
      1 December 2023 06: 13
      Moreover, many people born and living in Russia do not come out of those sites. And they seem to be adequate people. I ask. I wonder what they write there. That’s how it flows into the brain.
      1. +3
        2 December 2023 11: 27
        Yes, many relatives in Ukraine refused to communicate. The cousin of the mother and aunt stopped communicating with them. Acquaintances - the youngest daughter in Ukraine, the eldest and mother in Russia. The youngest loaded her mother with links with Ukrainian propaganda so much that she, while living here, stopped communicating with her daughter and found out about the birth of her granddaughter six months later!!! Now they don’t know how to get her out of this propaganda
  3. -1
    1 December 2023 05: 45
    All these actions were carried out on instructions from Washington, London, Ottawa, Brussels and other Western capitals, which urgently and within a limited time frame needed to create an artificial Ukrainian nation so that it would perish in the war against Russia.
    --
    Hmm...Didn’t Lenin create the Ukrainians and Ukraine?

    Ukraine was created by Vladimir Lenin during the formation of the Soviet Union, President Vladimir Putin reminded an American journalist during his annual press conference, broadcast by RBC.
    1. -2
      3 December 2023 20: 52
      Quote: sergey_342
      Hmm...Didn’t Lenin create the Ukrainians and Ukraine?

      I’m not going to justify Lenin, of course he is also guilty, but to understand this issue I advise you to watch Zakhar Prilepin’s latest program, he talks about this exactly there.
  4. +29
    1 December 2023 06: 12
    It’s well written, but now I’m going to get downvoted. As for oblivion, what they won’t forget, unfortunately they will forget, and they will forget quickly. Take the same great patriotic war, we remember while the veterans are alive, and they are already starting to turn everything upside down, starting from filmmakers and all sorts of hacks, the unfortunate USSR is being thrown with mud from the central channels, poor Stalin has already drilled the second Kola, how many mentions and what a tyrant he is, and personally, from morning to night he did nothing but shoot everyone when he was running the country, it’s not at all clear. They have already forgotten both the Afghans and the Chechen veterans, because it’s inconvenient to remember, and if they remember something made up, like a relative of a participant told me, and it’s all so yellow and made up, but real people, real heroes, here they are, but it’s somehow inconvenient about them .... Politics is like a weather vane, whichever way it blows and we go, the North Military District will end, we will make friends with “dear partners” and kissing on the gums will begin: as Boris Nikolaevich said: my dear friend Bill Clinton (c), the heroes of the North Military District will be forgotten, in fact These are all loud slogans, like we don’t abandon our own and so on, but who will be our own tomorrow and who won’t be abandoned will be decided later... And then, sorry, we didn’t invite you there...... Sorry for being a little emotional, bad mood :(.
    1. +15
      1 December 2023 07: 33
      [B]
      as Boris Nikolaevich said: my dear friend Bill Clinton[
      /b] Looked far smile A. Usmanov, went abroad, financed the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but apparently he was greatly shocked there, returned to Russia. Threw himself at his feet. Sinful, father! Robbed! Understood and forgiven. They let me earn money.
      1. +4
        4 December 2023 11: 31
        Sometimes all this nobility and humanity is simply inappropriate, we are too kind, we easily forgive those who should not and cannot be forgiven!!!
    2. +13
      1 December 2023 07: 50
      Politics is like a weather vane, whichever way it blows and we go, the NWO will end, we’ll make friends with “dear partners”


      I agree with you.
      Politics is the promotion of economic interests.

      The author writes that “Russia will not forgive the West for the humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people in Ukraine”
      But for some reason I didn’t write how this would be implemented.

      Who exactly will Russia not forgive? How can he not forgive?
      Will Russian “businessmen” stop supplying raw materials and fertilizers to Europe?
      Will the Russian bourgeoisie stop sending money to the West?

      PS
      With a certain processing of the population's consciousness, complete oblivion of the past is possible; the example of Japan is proof of this. The authorities in Japan have forgiven the United States for everything. And modern residents of Japan don’t even know who subjected them to the atomic bomb.
      1. +8
        1 December 2023 12: 15
        Once again, our Pintos are to blame for everything. Vitka, the one who was stealing, ran away, this is the level of our mid. where is the work of Chernomyrdin Zurabov... the rabble was fattened by Vitka. Medvedchuk drisch that bespectacled murayev hid somewhere. the insignificance of Kiva from the Skabeevskys is what we deserve
        The Kremlin's are rushing about - now Novorossiya, now den...@tsia, now brothers have become brothers again. It’s the Ukrainians who won’t forgive us for the millions of losses the country is in tatters, so-so argument now for that Odessa house of trade unions...
        they will squeeze Avdiivka, they will sign something, but the hatred will last for generations
      2. +6
        3 December 2023 20: 57
        Quote: AA17
        With a certain processing of the population's consciousness, complete oblivion of the past is possible; the example of Japan is proof of this. The authorities in Japan have forgiven the United States for everything. And modern residents of Japan don’t even know who subjected them to the atomic bomb.

        Why go so far into history? There is an example from recent Japan, I’m talking about Serbia. A huge number of people are still alive who saw the carpet bombing of Yugoslavia, but they still want to join the NATO that bombed them.
    3. +8
      1 December 2023 11: 43
      Yes, there’s nothing to downvote you for, everything was written to the point. Because if these people don’t forget now and try to make us forget, then threads will lead to very, to put it mildly, inconvenient questions.
      1. +5
        1 December 2023 12: 29
        Yes, there’s nothing to downvote you for
        And they downvote, and even as the author of the comment.. laughing
    4. +1
      2 December 2023 11: 38
      Turembo, why did you decide to minus it? You said everything correctly. On my own behalf, I’ll add about history: “history is the corrupt girl of politics.”
  5. +19
    1 December 2023 06: 13
    They were artificially forced to forget Semyon Timoshenko and Kliment Voroshilov, Sidor Kovpak and Ivan Kozhedub, Mark Bernes and Leonid Bykov. All these actions were carried out according to instructions from Washington, London, Ottawa, Brussels and other Western capitals
    In our country, according to whose instructions is anti-Soviet propaganda carried out? Monuments to Shmelev, Ilyin, Solzhenitsyn, plaques to Mannerheim, etc. were erected.
    1. -9
      1 December 2023 09: 38
      In our country, according to whose instructions is anti-Soviet propaganda carried out?

      Calm down, the monuments to Lenin are in place, Lenin Avenues too...
      1. +1
        1 December 2023 11: 44
        Are you still against this?"""""""
      2. +13
        1 December 2023 12: 37
        Calm down, the monuments to Lenin are in place, Lenin Avenues too...
        Would you remove them and rename them? I will make you happy, all of Saratov is in Stolypin and the monuments and streets and avenues and dead ends are named after him. Saratov has not yet been renamed to Stolypin.. The monuments to Lenin have not been removed, the streets have not been renamed, for one reason it is expensive, there are too many such streets. But on On May 9, Lenin’s mausoleum is regularly boarded up. He was not the founder of the USSR. And it was not the USSR that defeated Nazi Germany, but the Russian Federation, right? And the banners of defeated Germany did not fly to the mausoleum? And the Victory Parade was hosted by Shoigu, and Serdyukov was in command. laughing
        1. -7
          1 December 2023 13: 28
          the whole of Saratov is in Stolypin and the monuments and streets and avenues and dead ends are named after him. Saratov has not yet been renamed to Stolypin.. The monuments to Lenin were not removed, the streets were not renamed,

          Well, good, Lenin, Stolypin, and the mausoleum are all history. They protect history - and good! We all need to be kinder and smarter. Looking for anti-Sovietism everywhere (especially in every topic) is not a primary necessity.
          1. +4
            1 December 2023 14: 24
            They protect history - and good!
            Those. Is the mausoleum boarded up on May 9 for its safety? laughing What you are writing about, from this very point, began in Ukraine. Vladimir Vladimirovich once said: Do you want decommunization? We will arrange decommunization for you.. Has Nazism been equated with communism, as in Europe? And you equate. Maidanizim turns out to be transmitted by airborne droplets. And it caught up with you. Get treatment. Maybe you’ll get better, good health to you.
            1. -2
              1 December 2023 15: 12
              Those. Is the mausoleum boarded up on May 9 for its safety?

              Why does this bother everyone? Well, they won’t hammer home, something will change, communism will come, people will become wiser? By the way, Stalin was taken out of the mausoleum and buried - for some reason the “communists” are not worried about this... I wonder why?
    2. +1
      4 December 2023 11: 38
      Since the 90s, we have been full of liberals in power, and it is precisely these controversial and dubious characters that they whitewash.
  6. +7
    1 December 2023 06: 23
    Figuratively speaking, the rift between Russians and Ukrainians has occurred worse than the American San Andreas, and this is not for a year or two, but for decades. It turns out that in order to completely and unconditionally quarrel two peoples and make them enemies, it is enough to bring to power ardent nationalists looking into the mouth of the West, feeding them financially, arming them and through the media, instilling the “correct” information with the promise of accepting them into their “embraces.” 23 years later (1991-2014) a completely different country and a people ready to die for Western interests. And you talk brother against brother, it’s much worse here.
    1. +6
      1 December 2023 11: 31
      And in power in Ukraine, the followers of Bender, or the children of Israel.
  7. +6
    1 December 2023 06: 24
    “For all this, for suffering and death, for broken lives, there will be no forgiveness and oblivion...” - from the article. Everything is of course correct. But still, maybe it’s worth asking the Yanukovychs, Medvedchuks, Surkovs first...? And only then it will be possible to crush Zelensky, Yushchenko, Poroshenko
  8. +28
    1 December 2023 07: 18
    All these actions were carried out on instructions from Washington, London, Ottawa, Brussels and other Western capitals, which urgently and within a limited time frame needed to create an artificial Ukrainian nation so that it would perish in the war against Russia.
    This is understandable. Well, what was the current government in the Kremlin doing at that time? Maybe she was conducting counter-propaganda in Ukraine? Did she promote the ideas of Slavic brotherhood? What were our ambassadors doing there?
    I drank vodka. Viktor Chernomyrdin: Did I fail in Ukraine? It wasn’t me who was elected there! And the other Zurabov
    One gets the impression that they interests and influence in Kiev drank. These are the ambassadors, no match for the Americans.
    who were engaged in business, unlike ours.

    The President of Russia called the Russian people the most torn people in the world.
    Who would have thought? And what has the president himself, being in the role of the highest authority figure for 20 years, plus another 4 years in the role of the second person in the state, done to unite “the most torn people”?
    1. +17
      1 December 2023 07: 24
      And what has the president himself, being in the role of the highest authority figure for 20 years, plus another 4 years in the role of the second person in the state, done to unite “the most torn people”?
      Do you know what I still don’t understand, on whose instructions, at every opportunity, the president kicks the USSR? About “galoshes”, “pawned bonbs”, fish day, but maybe that’s all..
      1. BAI
        +14
        1 December 2023 09: 11
        At every opportunity does the president kick the USSR?

        Because he is constantly reminded that Russia lives on the Soviet legacy, nothing new has been done under his leadership. Not a single large industrial or energy facility has been built (except for nuclear power plants). But the nuclear power plant is, again, entirely a Soviet legacy. In this regard, the question is: what has been done during the 24 years of being in power? Stalin, Khrushchev, Brezhnev have something to remember. What about him?
        1. +7
          1 December 2023 10: 49
          Because he is constantly reminded that Russia lives on the Soviet legacy
          So this is the whole question: who constantly reminds him? And for what purpose? And who benefits from this?
          1. BAI
            +10
            1 December 2023 13: 07
            who constantly reminds him? And for what purpose? And who benefits from this?

            Anyone who wants and who benefits from living in a developed and developing Russia, and not in a stagnant, rotting swamp.
            It is enough to compare the growth rates of the Russian Federation and China over 24 years.
    2. +8
      1 December 2023 16: 31
      -Unknown:What were our ambassadors doing there?
      I will answer. On instructions from the Russian (there are no Russians there) oligarchs were looking for objects to buy in Ukraine.
      It’s interesting, but almost everything “found” turned out to be in the Donetsk and Lugansk regions.
      1. +2
        4 December 2023 11: 48
        There are only hucksters around, they think not about the national interests of the country, but primarily about their pocket mercantile interests, where they can snatch more.
  9. 0
    1 December 2023 07: 28
    It’s just that comrades from Ukraine much later encountered what the gentlemen from the EU have been doing for a long time with the Baltic republics. They just don't understand yet that there will be restitution. Especially in the so-called Western Ukraine. Then 100% state language. With categories - for bosses, subordinates and janitors. Division into citizens and non-citizens. In general, at least somehow they started something in 2022. But as always, it’s unclear what and unclear how. In general, they continue to plague us. When this began, I prophesied in private conversations for 3 years. Now I’m prophesying the same thing, but in 2024 for three years. I don’t really want to be right and, God forbid, it gets delayed.
  10. +3
    1 December 2023 07: 49
    Now many resources are aimed at simplifying human consciousness. According to the plans of these resources, a person of one nationality should be hostile to a person of another nationality. A person of one religion should be intolerant of a person of another religion. All the plans of people like Schwab are slowly being realized. And given that in other countries it is not easy peaceful life, but also stuffed with nationalism, many people, having been burned by milk, blow on the water. Logic was created for this purpose, to compare the past and the present.
  11. +13
    1 December 2023 08: 36
    The article was written as if Putin and Lavrov had nothing to do with it. And hatred of Russia began only after 2014. Putin has already proven that money is the main thing for him! For the sake of money for your friends, you can endure without the flag and anthem. In Kazakhstan now there is the same wild Russophobia as in Ukraine. And what? Did Putin even reproach or warn Tokayev? But the Russian language is enshrined in the Constitution of Kazakhstan! And how will Putin reproach Tokayev when Russia has 20 projects worth $20 billion in Kazakhstan!
    1. +2
      1 December 2023 12: 33
      hatred of Russia began only after 2014.
      Before that, too, but then they had more of a mixture of envy and contempt.
  12. +13
    1 December 2023 08: 47
    For all this, for suffering and death, for broken lives, there will be no forgiveness or oblivion.. I would like to believe. Only our history is not predictable. Today is one thing, tomorrow is another. Where is the guarantee that another “Eltsin” will not appear and will be bashfully kept silent at best, at worst like with Afghanistan, they generally called it a mistake and not our war. Yes, you don’t even need “Eltsin”, just look at those in power today and all the murky negotiations and agreements that were literally “yesterday”. Someone is at war, and someone is negotiating behind their back.
  13. BAI
    +2
    1 December 2023 09: 05
    An ordinary civil war. Already passed 100 years ago. We still can’t calm down. And it will be the same with this one.
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  15. +6
    1 December 2023 09: 44
    Russia will not forgive the West for the humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people in Ukraine

    Empty chatter before the elections, deeds indicate the opposite
  16. +6
    1 December 2023 10: 05
    Russia may not forgive, but the VPR apparently has its own special opinion
  17. +10
    1 December 2023 10: 09
    If the Russian Federation does not stop supplying NATO with energy resources and other goods even during the war, then after pacification it will not only increase supplies but also pay indemnities in the form of humanitarian aid, trenches, interest-free loans, customs and other benefits for restoration.
    1. +3
      1 December 2023 11: 00
      but it will also pay indemnities in the form of humanitarian aid, tranches, interest-free loans, customs and other benefits for restoration.
      I have little doubt about this. Russia, during the Northeast Military District, partly finances Ukraine by supplying gas abroad and paying money for transit. And ammonia through Odessa? The joint venture was not blown up because they were petty dirty tricks. But so that Ukraine would receive more money for transit. If the joint venture worked, Ukraine would receive pennies for transit.
  18. +9
    1 December 2023 10: 20
    Russia may not forgive. And those who betrayed the “Russian Spring”, Putin and his team, will forgive with pleasure.
  19. +4
    1 December 2023 10: 20
    They will forgive as money rustles, everyone will forgive. Central Asia, Transcaucasia, and the Caucasus have forgiven everything. The people just won’t forget and will remember.
  20. +10
    1 December 2023 11: 21
    Why do the descendants of the main traitors (the Gorbachev-Yeltsin family) live happily at our expense??? I remember from history - our kings and queens burned out this plague with hot iron, until the “tenth generation”!!! So don’t threaten insolently, they don’t give a shit about your threats. Start with your own traitors
  21. +6
    1 December 2023 11: 40
    "Russia will not forgive the West for the humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people in Ukraine"
    You won’t believe it, the Author, but they will survive this somehow. Look for the guilty in the wrong place Author. They are enemies and for them it is natural and they must do it as enemies.
  22. +10
    1 December 2023 12: 47
    Well, brother fights against brother.
    HPP in action. Lavrov and Co. have repeatedly expressed regrets and so on.

    As for the rest, my friends calmly traveled to Orthodox places there, when the media were already creating one hysteria after another.
    Those. It was all planned in advance, it was all necessary. First they threw in the oligarchs - no, their own for the elite, then the European Commissioners - no, the top people sell gas to them, then the State Department/MI6 - America is far away, and on sales of oil, titanium, aluminum, uranium, etc. to them. will have little effect...

    And now they continue to push and sell... And as soon as they do, they will forgive and forget the very concept of “a humanitarian catastrophe of the Russian people..” (like the Russian World, the Russian Spring, etc.).
    How they changed their shoes on the raid with Endogan, for example (the killer of Russian pilots and accomplice of terrorists, if anyone doesn’t already remember)
  23. -9
    1 December 2023 17: 15
    And there are also millions of people in Ukraine who speak Russian among themselves at home and are just shocking (as they are shocking in the Rostov region in Russia). So these millions of people have always considered and continue to consider themselves Ukrainians. A nation that has been known for several centuries.
    But some speechwriter wrote a text for Putin that there are no Ukrainians at all, and that Ukrainians are “wrong Russians.” And such nonsense began to be broadcast by propaganda on the zombie box. Putin, however, later took back his words and said that the Ukrainian nation also exists. .
    1. +5
      1 December 2023 17: 55
      these “Ukrainians” are no more different than any Bavarians.
    2. +8
      1 December 2023 19: 11
      Ukrainians are not a nation, they are simply named after their place of residence, what is a Siberian nation? or Crimean for example
      1. +3
        1 December 2023 19: 17
        They have more differences than the Siberians, but still this is not a reason for secession.
  24. +3
    1 December 2023 17: 53
    No one would have torn anything apart if the Russian Federation had not started in 91. games of a foreign country and Russian-foreigners.
  25. +1
    1 December 2023 18: 00
    How is it - “there is no such thing and there will not be such a thing” - when it exists? - and about “he will not forgive” - and what will he do?
  26. 0
    1 December 2023 20: 03
    Ukrainian Nazis decided that Ukraine was their country. You can come to the polls in a flock of bander lies and decide that everyone here speaks Ukrainian
    The Maidan was because the Westerners wanted visas to Europe.
  27. +5
    1 December 2023 20: 05
    The Anglo-Saxons are a cancerous tumor of planet Earth. How to delete?
    1. +1
      4 December 2023 00: 13
      Cut off all lines of communication and any communication with the outside world.
  28. -3
    1 December 2023 21: 01
    Do the author’s regrets look sincere against the background of the fact that more than once some commentators have proposed bombing Ukraine into the Stone Age, transferring it to the level of subsistence farming, and sending all those dissatisfied/disagreeing to work in the Far North?! And of course, taking into account the fact that the passionate division of the territory of Ukraine continues in discussions...
  29. +6
    1 December 2023 21: 30
    Quote: Civil
    1. I don’t remember something... but who was responsible for the collapse of the USSR? For Belovezhskaya Pushcha? Did Chubais even answer for anything?
    2. There is an order - it must be carried out.

    Heh.... heh..... That's why no one answered that “there is an order.”

    In the American military oath, the emphasis is not on the “order”, but on the fact that there is a Constitution of the country and it must be defended. From enemies external and internal.
    Civilians also carry out orders; for this it is not necessary to join the army and take an oath... ......

    And in our History, the Red Guard in October 1917 did not carry out the orders of the Provisional Government, but defended the law, since it was subordinate to the legislative branch. And the government arrested.

    PS They will order all the military to shoot themselves - curious - will they shoot? Like "the order must be carried out.... ..." So they sat like idiots with their mittens open and waited for an order in 1991, until thieves and bandits ruined the country.... Ugh..... am
  30. -4
    1 December 2023 23: 36
    What kind of propaganda is this and in which direction should we look?
    The fact that the younger one ran away from his parents, and the older one supports his parents?
    Isn't this so, in fact?

    You should never listen to people like Igor Matveev.
    Because a spherical horse is in a vacuum.
    Multiplied by propaganda.
  31. +1
    4 December 2023 00: 12
    Well, why can’t the responsible people in Russia say that if even one more scum begins to pit the fraternal peoples of the Slavs against each other, the country of this scum will be wiped off the face of the Earth???
    Why until now has none of the responsible officials in Russia given the order to destroy all communications between UK @USA and the whole world??? After all, if you do this, the puppeteers will simply be left without pants!!!
    WHY, Vova???
  32. +3
    4 December 2023 10: 29
    Citizens of Russia may not forget, but the elites of Russia, as soon as they are lured from the West with carrots, will forgive everything and forget everything.
  33. +1
    4 December 2023 18: 39
    This is the most profitable investment for the West - Russians kill Russians. How cleverly, Jesuitically, they pulled it off.
  34. 0
    5 December 2023 00: 13
    I believe that NOBODY and NEVER from among those in power will say that the culture of the West and their entire world is hostile towards the Russian world, or the Slavic one if you like; accept as an axiom that everything that moves west of the Carpathians (Dnieper?, Balkans? or English Channel) is ENEMIES! their language and music are enemy and religion and so on... and if anyone is unable to perceive this differently, then accept it as necessary that at least it would be worth changing your meaning of the words and concepts Honor and Pride! and it’s still time to become very vindictive in memory of those who died and were tortured in the wars and hardships of the past and new centuries. In short, a good Russian is an evil Russian, at least in relations with humanoids from Anglo-Saxonism. Well, Ukraine is an evil and bloody lesson (flogging to the bones) that if people do not hold their power by the throat, then the government can always lower them into the Maidan
    Do you know what deputies used to be called? - they were deputies of Workers and Peasants; and then effective managers like the hunchback arrived in large numbers and the deputies became the owners of cities, districts and regions.
    And yet, I remember earlier in each executive committee there was a price department, whose responsibilities included monitoring such concepts as cost and profitability of the trading people, and since times have changed so much, then the service is so necessary - and why the hell are there hucksters in our villages? what is fattening on our people, etc. To hell with all the cost pricers and skinners: no one in the village needs entrepreneurs without a cost price, and so on. Thank you
  35. 0
    9 December 2023 18: 20
    They are not brothers to us. Khrushchev showed us. The Supreme One is wrong