An operation that simply could not happen. "Veterans" took over the industrial zone in Avdeevka

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An operation that simply could not happen. "Veterans" took over the industrial zone in Avdeevka

Well, as I wrote in the previous article, we began to clean up the approaches to the main base of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. To be honest, I didn’t want to write today. However, the feat, I am not exaggerating at all, of the Russian fighters who by the evening of November 25 occupied the notorious southern industrial zone (industrial zone) in Avdievka should not go unnoticed. The “Veterans” brigade and several units from other formations accomplished this feat!

No, until this is not a victory in the full sense of the word. This is a gift to the residents of Donetsk. Since 2014, the Ukrainian Armed Forces have controlled the industrial zone and showered Donetsk with shells and missiles. For ten years we looked at the wetlands only through a sniper scope weapons. We watched how positions in former workshops and warehouses were poured with concrete, and how mortar batteries worked. The Ukrainian Armed Forces have long declared this area inaccessible to the enemy.



“Veterans” did what I already wrote about. Excellent work by commanders and soldiers. Tear the “head” of the defense away from the “hands”, and then methodically hit these “hands”. This is exactly what has been happening in the industrial area lately. The Russians tore the defenses to pieces. Units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost contact with others and began to act independently. Which led to their destruction.

Today many people will write about taking the promka. It's worth it. I will not load the material with theoretical calculations. Simply based on the story of the main participants in the events, the fighters of the “Veterans” brigade on the brigade’s Telegram channel, I will tell you the chronology of events. 

Now, already knowing the outcome of the operation, I look at the map and understand that this is simply impossible. Theoretically impossible, but practically accomplished. Every house is a fortress, every building is a fort, all routes are under the control of machine gunners and snipers... And they took it, cleared it, suppressed it...

They tried for several years, losing people and equipment. Sorry for some confusion, but I’m writing out of emotion. I haven’t seen an operation of this scale for a long time... And suddenly they launched an assault in a place where a person with a “normal” psyche would not even go. Where it is simply impossible to pass. Let's go and pass.


Briefly about how it was


So, from the “veterans”. In fact, the assault began on November 9. I wrote above about taking buildings for a reason. It was there that well-equipped positions were located. There were bunkers with heavy machine guns there. Plus an excellent overview of all approaches to the building.

I won’t write about every building, but I will only say one fact. The buildings did not take minutes, hours or even days. The penultimate building was stormed for several days! At the same time, they used not only small arms, but Tanks. Tank guns against the position of heavy machine guns. I think this is enough to understand the degree of protection of the bunker.

By the way, this bunker was finally taken with the help of a tank. The tankers did a brilliant job. The shell still hit the right place. This time was enough for the stormtroopers to break into the building. And there is already the usual work. Extinguish the VSUshnikov and “clear the premises.” And forward, to the next building, to the next bunker.

In fact, we could talk about taking the industrial zone as early as November 24th. It was then that the Ukrainian Armed Forces received the order to leave. Well, we did it. The entire composition of the operational defense headquarters. Abandoning the personnel, who probably “could not get the order to withdraw,” the headquarters officers organized a beautiful bonfire at their former place of work. We went to knead the mud “on foot like an armored vehicle,” and even up the hill, towards the Avdeevka checkpoint. 

It is clear that without receiving an order to withdraw, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fighters continued to defend their positions. However, without help, without a single command, resistance quickly ceased. There is no need to talk about active surrender. They defend themselves even when completely surrounded. Cleaning up the wet area continues. It is clear that basements and other places need to be checked and everyone who has huddled in the cracks in the hope of salvation must be pulled out.


Approximate map with elevations. On it our territory is highlighted in blue, and Promka itself is outlined in black. Photo of TC "Vladislav Ugolny"

What we got in the end


What is the importance of this positional area? From here it’s a stone’s throw to the Yasinovatovskaya Interchange. The same intersection through which the roads from Donetsk to Gorlovka and further to Lugansk pass. And this is the shortest route to Russia. This is logistics, this is supplying the city, this is supplying the army.

But the most important thing, I repeat once again, is the liquidation of the positions of the killer artillerymen who, since 14, had been shelling Donetsk, Gorlovka, Yasinovataya. For those who haven’t looked at the map, the distance to Donetsk is only 6 kilometers! The industrial area covered these non-humans...

Of course, the industrial zone was the best position for defense. But the Ukrainian Armed Forces were also preparing for defense. Long-term defense. There are second and third lines. Yes, we knocked out those who were on the first line, but I think some still rolled back to the second line. And this is the area of ​​​​SNT "Vinogradniki" and the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe Baeva cemetery. That is, dachas, private buildings, administrative buildings.

And then there are new difficulties. Microdistrict "Khimik". Our VKS have been working there for a long time. But all the same, the attack aircraft will have to do some serious work there. “Khimik” covers Avdiivka from the western side...

I already wrote that the fortified area in Avdeevka was weaker than the fortification in Bakhmut. But you still have to take it. You will have to “clean” it along its entire length. And this is about 10 kilometers in a straight line. Such a gut along the gland. By the way, there is another industrial area on the opposite side of the city... Thus, there is no point in talking about the imminent capture of the city yet. The defense is cracking, but not completely broken.

The purpose of the operation, as I understand it, remains the same. Surround the fortified area and force the garrison to stop resistance. And for this it is necessary to create conditions so that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have the opportunity to build a more effective defense. The operation to liberate Avdeevka continues...
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    1. +28
      27 November 2023 09: 32
      Well done guys, real Vaughn defenders. To knock out such a well-defended line means glory and honor.
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    3. +15
      27 November 2023 11: 14
      And, do you think that the information war is a mess? All of the above are worthy people and do their jobs well.
      1. -1
        27 November 2023 18: 49
        Quote: Handwriting
        All of the above are worthy people and do their jobs well.

        Forgive me generously, I didn’t immediately understand your Malay dialect and therefore I will repeat what you meant by typing this:
        Quote from NaBerlin
        Staver-shurygin-leonkov-korotchenko-rozhina, when will we ever see fable writers near the LBS in the entire time of the Northern Military District? Stomachs will soon no longer fit on a TV screen, according to “military experts”

        * * *
        Everyone at LBS does their job well. There is no doubt about it. And in political gossip they say things that make you wonder why we haven’t been able to get out of our deep ass for more than thirty years... Today everyone showed their face...
        There may be a lot we don’t know, most likely they will never tell us strategic plans, but we are firmly convinced that:

        but a murderer, a war criminal, an executioner has no right to pardon... And such people should not be taken prisoner...
        1. +1
          27 November 2023 23: 13
          Wow! Are you talking about the pardoned? You are harsh with them. Still, everyone should have a second chance, including to atone for their guilt with someone else’s blood!
      2. -1
        27 November 2023 23: 25
        And, do you think that the information war is a mess? All of the above are worthy people and do their jobs well.

        Staver just equated Jews and Palestinians. like, the exchange of hostages and why they all lived there peacefully, and now suddenly they quarreled.
        Like he has sclerosis, he forgot what happened on October 7, and is not aware that Israel did not take anyone hostage, and is releasing legally convicted Palestinian criminals who are dangerous to society.
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      1. +1
        27 November 2023 19: 38
        Solovyov is clearly visible, yesterday, for example, at Rabotino. What's stopping you from doing this?
        1. +2
          28 November 2023 01: 05
          I can’t stand Korotchenko myself, but what questions do you have for Rozhin?
          His father is in the military, but due to his health he could not serve.
          The way he runs his TG channel now inspires respect in me.
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  2. +10
    27 November 2023 09: 25
    An operation that simply could not happen. "Veterans" took over the industrial zone in Avdeevka
    "We were born to make a fairy tale come true!!!"
    Although, this is a revival of its former greatness!!! It never went anywhere and was kept in the souls of the real heroes of our time!
    Glory to the heroes, glory to our people, the people of warriors and workers!
  3. +19
    27 November 2023 09: 31
    For 9 years we were told that Avdeevka would not be “really” stormed because of the large reserves of toxic substances at the coke plant...
    What changed,
    Where did the toxic chemistry go, or was it not there?
    Why is it possible to bomb in 23, but not in 14?
  4. old
    +44
    27 November 2023 09: 37
    The Avdev garrison will fight to the last even in complete encirclement, since everyone there understands that the Donetsk people have a special score to settle with them.. You can’t leave with stories about cooks and drivers
    1. +11
      27 November 2023 09: 52
      Quote: old
      The Avdev garrison will fight to the last even in complete encirclement, since everyone there understands that Donetsk people have special scores to settle with them.. You can't leave with stories about cooks and drivers.

      Yes, and send them out of captivity with the help of negotiation efforts on the part of pro-Western Russian oligarchs in the same West in fact, the Russian authorities can no longer allow the Russian authorities to go on vacation to Turkey under the wing of Erdogan! Otherwise, the people will understand the powers that be in their own way and will not forgive them for it. Elections are coming soon in the country!
      Let's see how it goes!
      1. +22
        27 November 2023 10: 30
        Quote: Tatiana
        Elections are coming soon in the country!

        You are joking.
        There is not a single significant figure in the patriotic camp; the authorities have cleaned everything there to a mirror shine. The population (we don’t see many people in the Russian Federation) will look at the proposed clowns, be horrified, and even vote for the old, proven horse. It's a crossing!
        1. -1
          27 November 2023 10: 42
          Quote: kakvastam
          You are joking.
          There is not a single significant figure in the patriotic camp; the authorities have cleaned everything there to a mirror shine.

          It’s just that our members of the North Military District - with such an unjust oligarchic power in the war in relation to the Russians - the Armed Forces of Ukraine will not take any more prisoners, as was the case in Mariupol!
          So we'll see how it goes!
        2. 0
          27 November 2023 23: 23
          Quote: kakvastam
          It's a crossing!

          More like a multi-move
        3. 0
          1 December 2023 15: 54
          Quote: kakvastam
          You are joking.
          There is not a single significant figure in the patriotic camp; the authorities have cleaned everything there to a mirror shine.

          How not? And Sobchak Ksyusha? laughing And Gennady Zyuganov? lol So, and you write there are no candidates... drinks
      2. +1
        27 November 2023 10: 58
        Quote: Tatiana
        Let's see how it goes!

        Everything will be according to the old script written in the Kremlin. We can bet...
        It was Milosevic who died in a prison cell in The Hague on March 11, 2006, without waiting for an acquittal... It was Saddam Hussein who was executed by hanging on December 30, 2006 (for this reason the moratorium on the death penalty was lifted)... This was due to airstrikes by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization The opposition managed to capture and kill Muammar Gaddafi on October 20, 2011...
        And these degenerates will be pardoned...They are lost...For the sake of their ideas they do not give up even in the face of the threat of destruction...What are they hoping for?
  5. +3
    27 November 2023 09: 39
    I wonder who the “Veterans” are? Of course, I have an assumption, but it is not based on anything. Maybe the author will chime in...
    1. +4
      27 November 2023 09: 56
      Telegram channel ODSBR "Veterans".
  6. +14
    27 November 2023 09: 59
    I pay tribute to the soldiers and commanders, tank crews and artillerymen! Silently, without pathos, without panic, doing your job day and night, you guys set an excellent example for young people, I, as a man already aged, am envious that I am not shoulder to shoulder with you in these mortal battles! But I know for sure that if I have to pick up an AK, I have someone to look up to and someone to follow as an example!
  7. +15
    27 November 2023 10: 07
    Honor and respect to the fallen soldiers - eternal memory!
    What great guys they are, there are simply no words.
  8. Des
    +8
    27 November 2023 10: 09
    From the author’s article: “But the most important thing, I repeat once again, is the liquidation of the positions of the killer artillerymen who, since 14, had been shelling Donetsk, Gorlovka, Yasinovataya. For those who did not look at the map, the distance to Donetsk is only 6 kilometers! The industrial area covered these non-humans..." Almost 14 years have passed since 10. And these are 6 km to Donetsk. "10 years, Karl!"
    Respect to the storming soldiers of the Russian Federation.
  9. +4
    27 November 2023 10: 32
    Soldiers and commanders receive honor and respect.
    Apparently, the ability to fight comes with experience, as in any other matter.
  10. +22
    27 November 2023 10: 37
    Well done guys, there are no words. But to the author who first wrote: they poured concrete, and then writes bunker... A bunker is a long-term earthen defensive point. And in concrete... This is a pillbox. I understand that bunker sounds more colorful, but...
    1. +3
      27 November 2023 18: 59
      "to the one who first wrote: they poured concrete, and then he writes bunker..."
      and they (authors/military correspondents), they all write about concrete fortification, they poured it for 9 years, and when they come closer, it’s a “bunker”, well, or just a trench. and modestly fall silent. I asked many people to take photos of these “concrete fortifications”, but everyone kept silent, one, however, sent a photo of some kind of shed, but that’s all
    2. -1
      28 November 2023 01: 20
      A bunker is a wood-earth firing point.
      1. 0
        30 November 2023 11: 06
        Minus for what? Can you explain?
    3. 0
      1 December 2023 08: 47
      Read, guys, the Soviet story "The Legend of the Small Garrison." How a handful of Red Army soldiers lived, lived, and fought in one beautifully executed Soviet bunker. It was even equipped with an artillery gun. And the machine guns are aviation rapid-fire ShKASs.
      An incredibly fun adventure read. I was simply amazed as a teenager)
  11. +1
    27 November 2023 10: 42
    To the soldiers and commanders of perseverance and determination!!!!
    Finish off this viper near Donetsk!!!
    Victory will be ours!!!!
    The enemy will be defeated!!
  12. +6
    27 November 2023 10: 43
    This means that emphasis needs to be placed on the information front. This is how they are treated, so that even when surrounded, they never give up. This means we need to decapitate the propaganda machine.
    1. +4
      27 November 2023 17: 12
      Quote: Kusja
      This is how they are treated, so that even when surrounded, they never give up.

      If the attackers are tired of the “Mariupol round dances,” then the prisoners “do not surrender” both in Avdiivka and in other places.
      1. 0
        28 November 2023 22: 49
        and this is fair.
  13. +6
    27 November 2023 10: 55
    “Now, already knowing the outcome of the operation, I look at the map and understand that this is simply impossible. Theoretically it is impossible, but in practice it has been accomplished.” The Russian army often accomplishes the impossible. I'm proud of the guys who achieved this result.
    1. +4
      27 November 2023 19: 08
      “Now, already knowing the outcome of the operation, I look at the map and understand that this is simply impossible. Theoretically impossible, but practically accomplished.”
      that is, having superiority in weapons, having eagles-commanders and miraculous heroes of personnel, it is even theoretically impossible to take several production workshops, already completely destroyed by artillery and aviation? I wonder how many fighters were on the enemy side? company or division?
      Staver somehow outdoes himself
      “I already wrote that the fortified area in Avdeevka is weaker than the fortification in Bakhmut. But you still have to take it.”
      “The purpose of the operation, as I understand it, remains the same. To surround the fortified area and force the garrison to stop resistance.”
      So, should we take it or surround it? or doesn’t it matter, VO pays for letters? more letters, more money laughing
  14. +2
    27 November 2023 11: 00
    Glory to the heroes of Russia and gratitude from its citizens. Destroy the Ukronazis like rabid dogs...
  15. +16
    27 November 2023 11: 27
    And forward, to the next building, to the next bunker.

    I don’t understand why you have to climb bunkers in high-rise buildings. We do not have the capabilities, like Israel and the United States, to demolish these buildings to dust. Look how the Jews do it in gas. Why are we sending our soldiers to machine guns again, like in the Second World War? Don't we have aviation, bombs and missiles? Or is a soldier’s life still cheaper than this?
    1. +7
      27 November 2023 11: 48
      This suggests that the Russian army does not have a sufficient number of high-precision aerial bombs, there are no qualified aircraft controllers in the Russian army, and there are no means of high-precision remote destruction of fortified positions in the Russian army. Everything that is shown to you on TV is yet another propaganda “having no analogues in the world.” In fact, Russian soldiers are dying in the hundreds in such wonderful assaults on pillboxes, bunkers and trenches. Yes, the Russian soldier wins. But the losses are significant. We must say thank you to the “daring” government and military commanders for them. It was they who brought the army to the state in which it now finds itself. The state of the army is not very modern. An army of the late 1980s with a few touches of modern technology. At the beginning of the 2000s, the US army was already more modern than ours today. It is a fact. Otherwise they are “fools” and “stupid”. Not like us. But for some reason, our soldiers have already died in the tens of thousands on Ukrainian soil.
      1. -1
        27 November 2023 12: 28
        Quote: cast iron
        At the beginning of the 2000s, the US army was already more modern than ours today. It is a fact. Otherwise they are “fools” and “stupid”.

        Of course they NOT stupid people boarded planes and flew out of Afghanistan...with their entire modern army.....
        1. +16
          27 November 2023 12: 33
          They left Afghanistan, having achieved all their goals. And our Russian men are dying in the thousands in Ukraine, with whose hands the United States is fighting us. And you continue to make fun of yourself, that’s all you can do well.
          1. +1
            29 November 2023 09: 54
            Fseh, fseh? Which ones are these? Drive barmaley for the sake of appearance, spend hundreds of billions on it, and eventually run away?)
            After falling down, dropping your slippers, bring the Taliban back to power and arm them? Was this also a goal?
      2. -4
        27 November 2023 12: 29
        At the beginning of the 2000s, the US army was already more modern,

        Well, for now she’s just scuttling.
        And your comment is just blah blah.
        1. +4
          27 November 2023 12: 35
          Another “brilliant” “patriot” who, in the collective farm-village style, truly believes in the phrase “well, they’re stupid (Americans).” Keep it up "patriot". It is geniuses like you that the blackmailing capitalists in the Kremlin have relied on for 33 years.
          1. -4
            27 November 2023 14: 40
            Another "brilliant" "patriot"

            I love reading comments like this.
            They mean that the one who writes them does not have ANY arguments in defense of his position, but he cannot remain silent, because, as they say, he gets burned, and he gets personal. keep it up lol
            1. +10
              27 November 2023 15: 16
              Brilliant patriots like you have been spreading the tale for decades that the Americans ran away everywhere and lost everywhere. However, thousands of Russian soldiers are dying in Ukraine, killed by Ukrainians on the orders of “stupid” Americans. All that remains is to clarify who is really stupid?
              1. -5
                28 November 2023 01: 30
                Quote: cast iron
                Brilliant patriots like you have been spreading the tale for decades that the Americans ran away everywhere and lost everywhere. However, thousands of Russian soldiers are dying in Ukraine, killed by Ukrainians on the orders of “stupid” Americans. All that remains is to clarify who is really stupid?

                So you're a sissy!!! What do you mean that a company of Bandera’s supporters holds the entire Russian army? Are you trying to glorify the scum of the Saloreich?
                1. +6
                  28 November 2023 03: 14
                  Well, Shoigu, apparently, is also a sissy, once a year ago in September he officially announced that the Russian army had lost 6000 soldiers killed. And Prigozhin also apparently worked for the Tsipso, because after the capture of Artyomovsk he officially reported that 20000 Wagnerites died in the battle for this city alone. There is only one company around. You alone are a proper patriot on the couch with a beer and a keyboard.
              2. +2
                28 November 2023 12: 10
                Brilliant patriots like you

                You poke your wife.
                You are stupid here for not understanding that the times of admiration for Western genius are over.
                1. -1
                  28 November 2023 22: 05
                  Over the past 33 years, brilliant, intelligent patriots with only one brain have been doing nothing but underestimating the enemy.
            2. +2
              28 November 2023 05: 00
              Quote: bk316
              I love reading comments like this.
              They mean that the one who writes them does not have ANY arguments in defense of his position, but he cannot remain silent, because, as they say, he gets burned, and he gets personal. keep it up

              So you have no arguments.
              “They are escaping from Afghanistan” - isn’t it funny to you? What could they do in this Afghanistan other than waste money?
              And the troops (their own) were withdrawn without losses. Maybe not with the same peacefulness as we exchange fascists for relatives in Mariupol.
              1. +2
                28 November 2023 12: 14
                What could they do in this Afghanistan other than waste money?

                Amazing. Why did they go there? For a waste of money?

                How much did they spend there? How many people have you lost? Is this to transfer power to the Taliban?
                So it was possible not to enter.
                Have you staged a self-healing session here?
                Or is this a trend among hokh hovs?
          2. +4
            27 November 2023 18: 21
            Well, why not stupid? Yeltsin and Gorbach simply lay down under them, but they failed to take advantage (apparently from their great intelligence), and now “the elbow is close, but you won’t bite.” You need to look at the root, and not look for the “straw”
      3. +3
        27 November 2023 14: 53
        Everything is somehow strange. It looks like we have a slight advantage. They constantly show us on TV how we are “practicing with drones.” We read what German Sadulayev writes: “Those who are mobilized here have been fighting for a long time. They are tired. They are broken. The losses are very large, there is no one to make up for the losses” | Your News | Zen (dzen.ru)
        “On the Internet and Telegrams, Ukraine is already half-dead, the West has refused to help it, the last disabled person in Lvov was caught and sent to the front to die for Biden. And all that... But you and I have long talked about the fact that you can’t believe in your own propaganda. Propaganda is necessary, but you cannot believe in it yourself."
        About drones in particular:
        “We know that this is not the case at the front. The Ukrainians haven’t run out of shells. They shoot a lot and don’t spare shells. They have unlimited cluster munitions. They shoot them all the time. They don’t run out of tanks either. They constantly attack. They don’t run out of missiles, they constantly fire them, including at our distant rear areas.
        What about drones? We don’t even have parity with the Ukrainians. If we mean the “near sky”, that is, the sky of drones, then here the Ukrainians have total superiority over us. The guys say that up to ten Ukrainian ones come to one of our drones - these are aircraft-type drones, reconnaissance-type copters.
        There are also agricultural drones "Baba Yaga", which carry mines and drop them - we have no analogues at all. And we do not have an established anti-drone defense. Our guys are organizing something here, something here - somewhere with the help of electronic warfare, somewhere with the help of small arms. But this is not the case systematically."
      4. +5
        27 November 2023 18: 00
        Let's be honest, there is still something. Yes, these weapons are few, but they exist. Yes, our industry is weak and cannot provide the required quantity, for reasons that are decades old. For example, there is FAB-3000, it was calculated for use on such objects as factories, but they don’t use it. I don’t know why it’s lying in a warehouse and not flying at the heads of the enemy, and guessing is a thankless task
        1. +1
          28 November 2023 17: 34
          I don’t know why it’s lying in a warehouse and not flying at the enemy’s heads, and guessing is a thankless task

          there is nothing to guess here. It’s just that the FAB-3000, like the FAB-1500, cannot be delivered by plane to enemy territory. The carrier will be shot down due to the Nazi air defense not being suppressed. In order to use them safely, controlled scheduling modules are needed for them. But they have not yet been created. These modules are already available for FAB-500: 250 of them are currently being used.
    2. +7
      27 November 2023 12: 59
      Actually, a bunker is a wood-earth firing point. I doubt they are even there. Pillboxes (long-term firing points) are made from concrete.
  16. +4
    27 November 2023 12: 04
    This bunker was nevertheless taken with the help of a tank.
    Bunker - wood-earth firing point. Most likely it was a bunker - a long-term firing point - a machine gun or artillery defensive structure. Which was filled with concrete. That’s why our fellows took so long to take these reinforced concrete fortifications. But they are GREAT!!!! The main thing is that our winners return home alive!!!
  17. +3
    27 November 2023 12: 05
    I think this is enough to understand the degree of protection of the bunker.
    With great respect for the FEAT, but the bunker is a tree-earth firing point. So, most likely the building was equipped with a bunker, that is, a long-term firing point
  18. -1
    27 November 2023 12: 20
    Don’t take anyone prisoner, everyone is expendable, then there will be fewer problems.
  19. +8
    27 November 2023 12: 44
    Author... emotions, I see, are going through the roof. However, the bunker is a Tree Earth Fire Point. A character who does not simply try to understand the simplest terms of what he is writing about cannot do justice to the heroes. This is not so much a glorification as an insult. With a swift jack. That is, the heroes clearly do not deserve Mr. Saver to strain his brains for at least ten seconds. Researched the difference between a bunker and a bunker. Mr. Staver, who has been making money from warriors for several days, has no time for these “trifles.” I'll wait for other comments. Where military work is treated with respect...
  20. +3
    27 November 2023 13: 27
    But the most important thing, I repeat once again, is the liquidation of the positions of the killer artillerymen who, since 14, had been shelling Donetsk, Gorlovka, Yasinovataya. For those who haven’t looked at the map, the distance to Donetsk is only 6 kilometers!

    Someone, give the author of the Military Review articles information about the firing range of 155 mm artillery. And give him a map, with a ruler, so that he understands where the LBS should be - to protect Donetsk, Gorlovka and Yasinovataya from artillery.
    Well, or give him a link to Lostarmor, where the question “where is the Ukrainian Armed Forces’ artillery that can shell Donetsk” has already been discussed 100 times.
    Otherwise the author will remain in the state of "...some confusion, but I write from emotions. I haven't seen an operation of this scale for a long time.". By the way, you can also see the scale on the map.

    PS. IMHO, Avdeevka will be handed over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine soon; it is unlikely to supply it in normal quantities (and evacuate it) in muddy conditions.
    1. +1
      27 November 2023 14: 34
      Someone, give the author of the Military Review articles information about the firing range of 155 mm artillery.

      Firstly, the author knows.
      Secondly, the line to which the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be moved so that Donetsk cannot be reached was drawn many times on VO, including me.
      Thirdly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine still hit very often with mortars, but now they won’t be able to.
      And most importantly The Ukrainian Armed Forces used the Avdeevka industrial zone not because it was close, but because capital shelters for equipment were built. My friends from the DPR themselves saw how they were built. You can't pick these shelters with artillery. And all these years it has been like this. One or two shots and the gun runs underground. If you didn’t have time to respond in 30 seconds, you don’t have to try any further. Accordingly, the DPR could not do anything about it.

      And between Pokrovsk (this is exactly the limit for cannon artillery) and Avdeevka there are no such fortifications. And not in Pokrovsk either.
      1. +4
        27 November 2023 15: 07
        One or two shots and the gun runs underground. If you didn’t have time to respond in 30 seconds, you don’t have to try any further.

        That is, there are weapons capable of “running underground”? And “in 30 seconds” crawl out “from underground”, fire one or two shots and return “underground”?

        Firstly, the author knows.
        Then why does he write this?

        Secondly, the line to which the Armed Forces of Ukraine must be moved so that Donetsk cannot be reached was drawn many times on VO, including me.
        Moreover, why does he write this??

        Thirdly, the Armed Forces of Ukraine still hit very often with mortars, but now they won’t be able to.
        You also take a map and a ruler.

        ...between Pokrovsk (this is exactly the limit for cannon artillery) and Avdeevka there are no such fortifications. And not in Pokrovsk either.
        That is, they won’t make guns “run underground”. Strange weapons, found only in one place.
        But how can you not believe it?! No means no.

        Have you heard anything about the road to Avdeevka from Lastochkino/Orlovka? They are already almost describing it as “the road to death”, did we take visual control/fire control?
        1. 0
          27 November 2023 16: 09
          That is, there are weapons capable of “running underground”? And “in 30 seconds” crawl out “from underground”, fire one or two shots and return “underground”?

          And these are almost all self-propelled guns from Akatsiya to Msta.
          Moreover, even heavy towed guns like my hyacinth are not far from these parameters.
          We got a deployment time of 3 minutes, a collapse time of one and a half. This is of course heartbreaking, but I want to live.
          And then you need a prepared ramp leading directly to the shelter.
          like this

          and there are more than 5 meters of special concrete + slabs

          That is, they won’t make guns “run underground”. Strange weapons, found only in one place.

          But in Pokrovsk nothing like this has been built and will not be built: it will take more than one month for such a mass of concrete to strengthen.

          Do you really not understand such obvious things that you ask questions about “running underground”? Have you never not only seen protected shelters, but also ordinary bomb sites?
          Well, look at the photo - a typical Khrushchev bomb shelter for the population. Doesn't understand any art. And by the way, even TOS will not accept it.
          1. 0
            27 November 2023 17: 19
            Are there weapons capable of "running underground"? And “in 30 seconds” crawl out “from underground”, fire one or two shots and return “underground”?

            And these are almost all self-propelled guns from Akatsiya to Msta.
            Moreover, even heavy towed guns like my hyacinth are not far from these parameters.
            We got a deployment time of 3 minutes, a collapse time of one and a half. This is of course heartbreaking, but I want to live.

            “Promka/Industrial Zone” - it was a few hundred meters from the LBS.
            https://lostarmour.info/map
            And the Ukrainian Armed Forces, according to your information, hid both self-propelled guns and heavy towed artillery in it. Which drove out, shot a couple of times and went to shelters along ramps. Well, there are “more than 5 meters of special concrete + slabs.”
            Do I understand everything correctly?

            What an interesting architecture this “industrial area” is, what unprecedented things happened there.

            Indeed, how can one fail to understand “such obvious things.”
            1. +1
              28 November 2023 12: 17
              Do I understand everything correctly?

              You understand everything correctly. And so for almost 8 years.

              This is called the Minsk agreements.
              Did not hear?

              If I look on my computer now for pictures of how the slabs are loaded, I’ll find them.
              Moreover, it was taken from a regular phone without any telephoto lens.
              And so on along the entire line.
              There, straight from house-building factories, entire apartments were installed underground. With bathrooms, ventilation and more. The DPR saw all this but could not shoot.
  21. +7
    27 November 2023 15: 04
    Quote: Boris63
    A bunker is a long-term earthen defensive point. And in concrete... This is a pillbox. I understand that bunker sounds more colorful, but...

    A bunker is a wooden-earth firing point.
    And a bunker is a long-term firing point.

    And as always, if someone has accomplished a feat, then someone needs to be shot. If our Minister of Defense had been busy with logistics support for the troops, and not with the construction of the Patriot Park and the employment of his daughter there, then this Avdeevka industrial site would have been dug up with artillery to a depth of 5 meters long ago. And no assault with IRREVOCABLE losses of our fighters was required. Unfortunately, we have what we deserve.
    1. -1
      28 November 2023 08: 38
      “This Avdeevka industrial area would have been dug up with artillery to a depth of 5 meters a long time ago.”
      Why didn’t they dig it up? This industrial area is 6 km from Donetsk, available for any caliber. and besides the brilliant one, don’t we have any more commanders? who can shoot a cannon
  22. +2
    27 November 2023 16: 12
    I hope that I will live to see the moment when the banners of Nazi Ukraine will be thrown at the feet of the children of Donbass, whom the Ukrainians have been killing all these years, and then our stormtroopers will walk over their silk.
  23. +3
    27 November 2023 17: 52
    Personally, I think that such fortified areas should be burned out with napalm until it becomes impossible to breathe there. They didn’t give up, Bandera’s nonhumans immediately - give them hell! Well, how the command decides - maybe they know better...
  24. -2
    27 November 2023 18: 14
    What is going on in their brains if they resist when surrounded? How can you value US interests above your own lives?
    1. -2
      28 November 2023 09: 08
      You won’t believe it, they are defending their homeland from Russian “occupiers”.
  25. +1
    27 November 2023 18: 29
    “The purpose of the operation, as I understand it, remains the same. To surround the fortified area and force the garrison to stop resistance. And for this it is necessary to create conditions so that the Ukrainian Armed Forces do not have the opportunity to build a more effective defense.”
    Are there any pictures or videos of the bunker that was taken with the help of a tank? Or is it just talk again that it took 9 years to concrete? and, by the way, a bunker is a tree, an earthen firing point, nothing more. A tank is too much for her; a mortar would be enough. and one more question to the author - what is the area of ​​this "industrial area" if the entire Avdiivka is 29 sq. km? and the map, well, very detailed laughing . They would have asked someone competent to draw it, so that at least something would be clear. and the author’s joy is incomprehensible - on the one hand, that at least they took something - it’s good. on the other hand, there are a lot of places around Avdiivka for shelling Donetsk from new positions. 3-5 km for a gun or rocket is not a distance. Donetsk is still under attack
  26. +2
    27 November 2023 18: 36
    The military personnel are heroes, it is not entirely clear why there is an almost frontal assault. where are the bypasses, encirclement, flamethrowers, gases, perhaps there is something else?
  27. 0
    27 November 2023 18: 37
    The military personnel are heroes, it is not entirely clear why there is an almost frontal assault. where are the bypasses, encirclement, flamethrowers, gases, perhaps there is something else?
  28. +1
    27 November 2023 18: 39
    “The penultimate building was stormed for several days! They used not only rifle fire, but tanks.”
    Do not you say! someone figured out not to go against the bunker with a machine gun, but came up with the idea of ​​shooting from a tank! military genius! Well, just Napoleon! Why did they advance with machine guns before? were there no guns or tanks? or didn’t they know it was possible?
  29. +1
    27 November 2023 18: 40
    “The penultimate building was stormed for several days! They used not only rifle fire, but tanks.”
    Do not you say! someone figured out not to go against the bunker with a machine gun, but came up with the idea of ​​shooting from a tank! military genius! Well, just Napoleon! Why did they advance with machine guns before? were there no guns or tanks? or didn’t they know it was possible?
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 08: 47
      The generals did not allow the tank to advance. At first we tried it the old fashioned way, like our great-great-grandfather in World War I.
      1. -1
        28 November 2023 20: 04
        "The generals did not allow the tank to advance"
        but without an order, no way! initiative, as we know, has an initiator laughing
  30. 0
    27 November 2023 19: 01
    Well done! Health to the wounded, eternal memory to the dead. I hope Donetsk will sleep a little more peacefully after this..
  31. +1
    27 November 2023 19: 28
    “In fact, the assault began on November 9. I wrote above about the capture of buildings for a reason. It was there that there were well-equipped positions. There were bunkers with heavy machine guns. Plus an excellent overview of all approaches to the building.”
    "Avdiivka industrial zone is a small area, only 0,3 square kilometers and is located 6,5 kilometers northwest of Donetsk"
    https://1rodina.ru/article/avdeevskaya-promyshlennaya-zona-polnostyu-vzyata-pod-kontrol-armiey-rossii?utm_source=warfiles.ru
    not a very large area. How did they protect him if they took him for so long? or vice versa, what did they attack him with, what took him so long?
  32. +2
    27 November 2023 20: 06
    The guys "Veterans" are real warriors - heroes!!! I admire you!!! God bless you !!!
  33. -1
    27 November 2023 22: 38
    Bunker - wood-earth firing point
    Pillbox - long-term firing point
  34. 0
    27 November 2023 23: 29
    Quote: ROSS 42
    .What are they hoping for?

    Oddly enough, on God. And he's on both sides. So - a dilemma!
  35. +1
    27 November 2023 23: 32
    Quote from NaBerlin
    Eternal glory to the fighters! Iron guys! Staver-shurygin-leonkov-korotchenko-rozhina, when will we ever see fable writers near the LBS in the entire time of the Northern Military District? Stomachs will soon no longer fit on a TV screen, according to “military experts”

    Do you want to see them there in person or from your sofa on TV or YouTube?
    1. 0
      28 November 2023 11: 53
      For any option, I'm waiting for these Black Cloaks to appear
  36. 0
    28 November 2023 01: 06
    The Russians tore the defenses to pieces. Units of the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost contact with others and began to act independently.

    According to Suvorovsky, men! Pressure and speed! Well done Veterans! Hurray!!!
  37. 0
    28 November 2023 01: 07
    If only it weren’t like Mariupol - sudden humanitarian truces and two days to surrender...
  38. -1
    28 November 2023 04: 34
    A bunker is a wood-earth firing point. I doubt that the Ukrainian Armed Forces built such Naf-Naf huts. I believe that we are talking about a bunker. Be careful with terms
    1. -1
      28 November 2023 08: 46
      What bothers you? On the approaches in fields and groves, bunkers are quite well built. And the territory of the city is also not all covered with asphalt and concrete. There is land, and ravines, and ditches and groves/parks.
      1. -1
        29 November 2023 12: 51
        “What confuses you? There are quite bunkers on the approaches in fields and groves.”
        actually we were talking about an industrial zone, and not about fields and groves
    2. +3
      28 November 2023 09: 21
      Half of the comments here are already about the difference between bunkers and bunkers. Stop being smart.
      1. +1
        29 November 2023 13: 17
        Sick people find out whose bunker is deeper :))))
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  40. -1
    28 November 2023 11: 26
    Tank guns against the position of heavy machine guns. I think this is enough to understand the degree of protection of the bunker.
    ,
    That's right. That's the way it should be. The bunker is a light engineering structure against machine guns. To destroy it, you need art.
    The author is sure that he understands exactly what a bunker is and does not confuse it with a bunker???
    Because it is the bunker that is done thoroughly, thoroughly, super securely and for a long time.
    Bunkers, on the contrary, are made exclusively as light fortifications from logs and earth - and are not capable of protecting their garrison from artillery or missile attacks. In addition, they are usually built in forest belts and on rough terrain. In the city, firing points are usually still built from permanent materials.
  41. 0
    28 November 2023 12: 55
    Our guys, soldiers, officers and generals of Russia, there in Avdeevka, meter by meter, are bringing closer, right now, today, the defeat of the American project of nationalist Ukraine, liberating not just buildings, basements, industrial zones, the territory of the Russian Donbass, but the future of Europe and the world - free from the Bidens, Scholz and similar political perverts, they free humanity from the frantic, brutal nationalism organized by a gang of thieves named after the clown Zeli!
    God help them!
    Victory will be ours.
  42. 0
    28 November 2023 17: 17
    [quoteAnd forward, to the next building, to the next bunker.][/quote]
    Why don’t the Israeli and US armies head on and storm any bunkers or bunkers. They simply destroy all the buildings and structures in which they are equipped. Look how the Jews are doing this now in Gaza, and the Americans did it in Iraq. First they gouge everything to zero and only then they calmly go in and clean it up. What prevents us from doing this too? Or are we “not like” them? We, who cannot or do not want to wage war like all normal countries and because of this are suffering heavy losses of our soldiers. Why do we need such masochism? So that someone doesn’t accuse us of inhumanity and crimes? Are the lives of our soldiers worth it? Jews and Americans don’t give a damn what they say about them, anyone, anywhere. For them, the priority is the lives of their soldiers. They set goals and objectives and achieve them by any means available to them, with minimal losses for themselves. Yes, they are not loved, they are hated, but they are feared, respected and considered. And as a rule, they always win. And in gas they will achieve everything they want. We Russians need to learn this from them.
  43. +2
    28 November 2023 18: 04
    Smells like bullshit. It was during the Second World War that concrete pillboxes and other fortifications were difficult to take; having modern means of destruction, disassembling everything into bricks is a special task, especially since it’s only 5 km from the city, that is, you can easily drive up heavy equipment or use factories and other weapons . I would rather believe that there were chemicals there and they were completely mined, and in the end they were either taken out or it was agreed that they would not be blown up
  44. 0
    29 November 2023 09: 08
    Well done guys!
    I hope the local creatures weren’t taken prisoner..