The Air Force of the Ukrainian Armed Forces lifted into the air the Soviet fighter-bomber Su-17

The Ukrainian Air Force continues to suffer combat losses aviation, the number of fighters remaining in service is indeed small, although Kiev does not admit this. Nevertheless, the Ukrainian Air Force is looking for ways to replenish its fleet of combat aircraft, including from stocks left over from the Soviet army. The day before, a Soviet Su-17 fighter was spotted in the skies of Ukraine.

Ukrainian public sites the day before began disseminating footage of the flight of the Soviet Su-17 fighter. The plane was reportedly filmed somewhere over Kyiv-controlled territory, but the exact location was not specified. Presumably, this may be the only Su-17M3 fighter-bomber remaining in Ukraine, previously used to maintain the flying skills of pilots of the Zaporozhye Aircraft Repair Plant. The aircraft could be restored to carry out missile and bomb attacks on the positions of Russian troops.

At the same time, it is not excluded that this could be one of the Polish Su-17 aircraft transferred to Ukraine, which is still in service with the Polish Air Force. This option is quite possible, although neither side has published any official statements regarding the potential transfer of these aircraft.

It is worth noting that Poland currently has 18 aircraft in the Su-22M4 and Su-22UM3K versions, which are export versions of the Su-17.

Su-17 (NATO: Fitter - assembler) is a Soviet fighter-bomber with a variable-sweep wing, mass-produced from 1969 to 1990. A total of 2 aircraft of all modifications were produced. Used in many conflicts around the world, it is still in service with some states, for example Iran, Angola, Vietnam, Syria, Libya and Poland. The Russian army was withdrawn from service in 867.

Comments

[sifgame]

Is this a replacement for the long-awaited F-16 or what?

[Girl with a broom]

The APU TB-3 has not yet been lifted into the air.

[Egeny]

Well, since they’ve been waiting for what was promised for three years, and the outskirts can’t stand it for that long, maybe they’ll adapt it for flights... if they find it.
It would also not hurt us to modernize our Su-17s, especially the geometry, however, and the flight performance characteristics are not bad.

[Third district]

Quote from Egeni

It would also do us good to modernize our Su-17s

But they remained more or less alive, that’s the question... A lot of water has passed under the bridge since 1998, 25 years, a quarter of a century after all.

[isv000]

Quote: Third District

But they remained more or less alive, that’s the question... A lot of water has passed under the bridge since 1998, 25 years, a quarter of a century after all.

Scrape across Africa, across the Balkans - you can collect hundreds. The Arabs won't give it - they have something to do themselves...

[Egeny]

People, why so straightforward? I am not calling for collecting and repairing old stuff across Africa, I am proposing restoring the production of well-proven Su and MiGs with a new elemental base. Ily and Tu are already being modernized, so why not.

[Vyacheslav Boyko]

There is no one or nothing, there is no material base either, well, only if you dismantle the graves of the shitcrats of the 90s, Gaidar, for example, there will be enough for a couple of planes

[osp]

And that's not even the point.
There are not enough components and there are already problems with them.
And of course there has been no production of engines for such machines for a long time.

[Valnik]

Modernize there, master production here, and even design something new. And all this at once in one year. It’s been collapsing for thirty years, and now where can we get workers, engineers, competent managers, the machine tools that were sold to China at the price of scrap metal cannot be returned. So it won't happen quickly. Half the country has been converted into stylists, designers, economists, and waiters. Women were generally excluded from production. During the Soviet Union, many girls worked on small machines. And in weaving and sewing industries. Half the country is doing who knows what, but we are bringing in millions of migrants.

[AKSIS]

.People, why so straightforward? I am not calling for collecting and repairing old stuff across Africa, I am proposing restoring the production of well-proven Su and MiGs with a new elemental base. Ily and Tu are already being modernized, so why not.

Why occupy a bunch of factories with old Su-17 mammoth shit, if they can produce Su-34/Su-35, or if you really want older aircraft, then Su-30.

[faridg7]

Evgeniya, of course it is possible to restore the production of these machines, but do you propose to expand their production at the capacities that are currently loaded with the production of modern machines? Then this will mean curtailing the production of these modern machines. This can only be regarded as a crime. If you propose to deploy new capacities, then this is simply not possible in conditions of sabotage by the financial authorities (the Central Bank and the Ministry of Finance). And even if an incredible event happens, Nabiullina and Silanov will suddenly awaken to conscience and patriotism, and it will be possible to increase production capacity, it would be more expedient to expand the possibilities of existing production facilities of modern technology, rather than building the production of obsolete machines from scratch.

[Parvis rasulov]

The Su 17 is not a bad fighter bomber in many respects, it was superior to the Su 25 in terms of bombing and accuracy of airborne bombs during the war in Afghanistan, and it had greater survivability if you do a comparative analysis with the Su 25 during the war in Afghanistan. And during the collapse of the USSR, the Americans insisted on the removal from service of fighter-bombers such as Su 17 and Su 22 and MIG 23, MIG 27, and the war in Chechnya passed without them. Many people write about how the Air Force Commander-in-Chief removed them for their accident rate, but no, they were removed in accordance with the Russian-American protocol on the reduction of the armed forces of the USSR from 1993, signed by Kozyrev and Chernomyrdin. Finally, this protocol included a very large list of various types and types of weapons, including aircraft carriers, diesel-electric submarines, and the exclusion of missile divisions from motorized rifle and tank divisions. And so it is officially believed that the Su 17 and Su 22 were withdrawn according to the START 2 treaty of 1993 as aircraft carrying tactical nuclear weapons

[Third district]

I have an off-topic question for you; the message notification bell disappeared a long time ago. So you have to view messages through your profile. I’ve already asked the site administration several times, but there is no answer. I'm wondering if it's just me or everyone else.

[Comrade]

Quote: Third District

The message notification bell has long disappeared. So you have to view messages through your profile. I’ve already asked the site administration several times, but there is no answer. I'm wondering if it's just me or everyone else.

I also lost it a long time ago, so you are not alone.

[Aviator_]

I also lost it a long time ago, so you are not alone.

Everyone's bell is missing. Soon it will be a year. Competencies have been lost, the programmer has disappeared (they were lured away somewhere).

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote from Egeni

It would also not hurt us to modernize our Su-17s, especially the geometry, however, and the flight performance characteristics are not bad.

Neither the MiG-27 nor the Su-17 flew to the Chechen company. And the MiG-27 was very necessary for working on coordinates in a forest area.

[Rage66]

For what? To lose pilots?
It's kind of funny to read your reasoning

[lelik613]

Calibers and TB-3 will stretch to heights, but the product is technically too complex! We can’t handle the An-2...

[MBRSS]

Quote: sifgame

Is this a replacement for the long-awaited F-16 or what?

very funny! Are the T-55s we brought from storage a replacement for the Armata?

The day before, a Soviet Su-17 fighter was spotted in the skies of Ukraine.

Noticed and noticed. A lot of things were noticed on both sides....

[UAZ 452]

The whole question is what exactly from the supplied range of ammunition will this old man be able to combine with. An antediluvian aircraft with modern ammunition is much more effective than a sophisticated #analog aircraft, armed only with free-falling FABs, with no secure communications or target designation.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: sifgame

Is this a replacement for the long-awaited F-16 or what?

Yes you! Much better! It's not 16, but 17...

[Alexander Simonov_2]

Much cooler! The number is one more!)))) That means it’s better!!!

[aszzz888]

Ukrainian public sites the day before began disseminating footage of the flight of the Soviet Su-17 fighter.

Was it removed from the pedestal? Or somewhere with a former ukroletun, it was hidden in a barn, for a rainy day. And it seems like this dark day has come for the unnecessary.

[igorbrsv]

We have one on a pedestal. Looks no worse than that one - from the attached photo

[MBRSS]

We have one on a pedestal.

Can he take off from the pedestal and fire at least one rocket?
In Donetsk, for example, they removed the T-34 from its pedestal (at one time, of course) and put it into battle! I don’t know whether it’s true or not, but they wrote about it. When I served as a conscript. There was a cadre regiment nearby, and so the duty of the officers was to check the functionality of all old items (start engines, check oil) once every month or two for functionality. Thanks to this, the technique was in good shape.

[Aviator_]

In Donetsk, for example, they removed the T-34 from its pedestal (at one time, of course) and put it into battle!

We removed the IS-2014 in 3 (the gun was faulty, of course), installed the Utes, and fought a little. That's what happened.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: MBRBS

In Donetsk, for example, the T-34 was removed from its pedestal

I don’t remember about the T-34, but I remember very well how the IS-3 was filmed. And then he even fought! A beast-like unit of course...

[AllX_VahhaB]

What about de-Sovietization?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

And they attached the forelock to the plane. The result was "nezalEzhny letak")

[Mwg]

Yeah, they are persistently shouting about decommunization on all corners, but they have not used and are not using anything other than what was built by the communists.

[TermNachTer]

Most likely they brought it from Poland. We haven’t heard anything about Bandera’s Su-17s for a long time. They were written off back in the 90s.

[igorbrsv]

We haven’t heard of Tu-141 either. And they were

[figwam]

They had one Su-17M3 before the war, restored

[TermNachTer]

I was at MiGremont, but haven’t heard about it since 2014. Yes, and it flew around MiGremont several times, the first time right away. On the second or third day.

[isv000]

Quote: TermNachTER

Most likely they brought it from Poland. We haven’t heard anything about Bandera’s Su-17s for a long time. They were written off back in the 90s.

They didn't write it off, they drove it...

[Prisoner]

When will the Messers, Newports and Farmans come into action?

[aszzz888]

Prisoner (Ayrat)
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When will the Messers, Newports and Farmans come into action?

They haven’t entered into battle yet)) I-16. This is how they (or he, one) end, then they will go through your list.

[faiver]

The Armenians also giggled over the Azerbaijani An-2s, and now they are moving out of Karabakh, do not underestimate the enemy, how many times have they stepped on this rake...

[NIKN]

Quote: faiver

Armenians also giggled at the Azerbaijani An-2s

And there’s no point in giggling here; for ground targets, the Su-17 M3-4 is never worse than the Ukrainian MiG-29, that’s what it was designed for.

[sifgame]

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

Rather, they will modernize Western hotels into a missile carrier. And then how our air defense will reach it 200-300 km away.

[isv000]

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

Rather, they will modernize Western hotels into a missile carrier. And then how our air defense will reach it 200-300 km away.

If he reaches out and grounds him, his hand has been filled. "Storm" flies up to 300 km, so you need to fly up to at least a hundred kilometers from the LBS and then our S-350, S-400 will work - the goal is bold! The main thing is to be in time before the missile launch, so as to counter two targets at once...

[osp]

They have already been given cruise missiles with a range of up to 500 km - the basic version used in NATO countries.
They were the ones who hit Kerch.

[NIKN]

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

This is not a battlefield aircraft like the Su-25. I will not describe the tasks of the IBA (and this is a fighter bomber) in full, but there were tasks such as breaking through enemy air defenses, destroying tactical and operational missile launchers, destroying enemy troops on the march, etc. d.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: NIKNN

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

This is not a battlefield aircraft like the Su-25, IBA tasks….

Vsushniki, or rather Westerners, are looking for a platform to launch their missiles with a decent range. For this, no outstanding characteristics are needed, an old man will do... They will resist and hang what they need.
This headache can be “treated”, of course, but it cannot be ignored. We are not Kanosenkov & Co.

[isv000]

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

It all depends on what they put under his belly. If there are any “Storms”, then he has nothing to do over our positions - they can spoil things from afar...

[Roman 056]

There must be airships somewhere. Of course, flying on hydrogen is suicide, but there is also helium.

[isv000]

Quote: Roman 056

There must be airships somewhere. Of course, flying on hydrogen is suicide, but there is also helium.

About suicide - this is just right for them - with such tenacity the soldiers are put to death that you are amazed!

[Irokez]

Quote: Captive

When will the Messers, Newports and Farmans come into action?

These may not work, but the Su-17 modifications M3 and M4, which were in the CMEA countries and were ready as light bomb carriers in the event of a conflict with NATO, can be very useful. It’s a pity that during perestroika these last single-engine bomb carriers were written off and taken away.
At the moment, with all the outboard weapons, they could work like modifications of all SU-27, SU-24, SU-34 right now without flying into enemy territory, working with NURs or flying around the sea, destroying floating enemy drones or boats with a cannon. Yes, and like a rocket stuffed with bombs for one-time use, because it already had a digital computer and, according to the program, could reach the required positions.
The partners contributed to ensuring that these aircraft as a class were eliminated in a perestroika.

[kit88]

Quote: Irokez

At the moment, with all the suspended weapons, they could work like modifications of all SU-27, SU-24, SU-34 right now

To do this, you need to separately train pilots for this type of aircraft.
It is necessary to retrain technology for aviation engineering support for these old aircraft
Techno will need equipment, an old-style KIA.
New engines, new aviation and radio-electronic equipment will be required to replace failed units and old-style components.
Or do we need a deep modernization with shaking out everything old and installing everything new. Those. only the glider will remain from the old one.
And why do we need the old glider?
Let's have a new glider then!

[isv000]

Quote: Irokez

The partners contributed to ensuring that these aircraft as a class were eliminated in a perestroika.

This “perestroika” will be with us for a long time... Putin needs another twenty years to set everything up as it should...

[TermNachTer]

I - 16, stands near the Boguslaev Museum, but it’s just a model, without an engine. However, it can be adapted.

[isv000]

Quote: TermNachTER

I - 16, stands near the Boguslaev Museum, but it’s just a model, without an engine. However, it can be adapted.

You can stick it in a right-handed Nissan - I won’t say it will fly, but it will run quickly!

[TermNachTer]

On the donkey stood a star-shaped air-cooled one. I don't think it will work from Nissan.

[Escariot]

Quote: TermNachTER

On the donkey stood a star-shaped air-cooled one. I don't think it will work from Nissan.

On the donkeys was the next version of the licensed Wright R-1820 Cyclone 9. The engine is still produced in China, and Poland produces spare parts for it. By the way, the same engine, called ASh-62, is now installed on the An-2.

[MBRSS]

When will the Messers, Newports and Farmans come into action?

drop dead funny.

[Sergey_Vladimir]

Filmed just like a VTOL aircraft. VTOL aircraft in Ukrainian style. I remember the phrase from the film: “Well, now we, of course, will win.” I mean, they.

[Sergey_Vladimir]

What's wrong? For the alternatively gifted - a joke of humor.

[faiver]

wah, wah, wah, the plane is of course a little old, but ours on earth aren’t the only ones who are covering them from the sky F-16 or Su-17, we need to take these antiques off the road....

[U-58]

The Su-17 was an excellent aircraft for its time. I just didn’t know that it was produced until 1990.
And by 1998, it certainly did not fly (as a combat unit of our Air Force).
However, it is capable of performing a number of tasks in modern conditions. To consider him a “downed duck” would be reckless.
Therefore, it must be calculated and caught as soon as possible.

[Deon59]

For striking ground targets it is better than the Su 27 or Mig 29

[75 Sergey]

And why catch it - bring down all the flyers on the other side and that’s it!

[ask]

In 1993, I myself serviced such a device, well, I’m a machine. In 1994 in Krasnodar, they also flew to the school. Then everything goes to waste.

[igorbrsv]

Su-17 in service with countries

. Iran, Angola, Vietnam, Syria, Libya and Poland.

And Ukraine
And Poland and Ukraine threaten us with something. And we are still wondering where Ukraine got 500 downed planes... And if you scrape the bottom of the barrel...

[75 Sergey]

At one time they sold cheap equipment left and right, and now with our own lard, and to us...
For the future, we need to sell equipment that will quickly fail without special service from Russia!

[Roman 056]

Lockheed will service it if it gets to the point.

[isv000]

Quote: 75Sergey

At one time they sold cheap equipment left and right, and now with our own lard, and to us...
For the future, we need to sell equipment that will quickly fail without special service from Russia!

The bug must be planted so that it responds at the right moment!

[Sergey3]

So these are just those 2 F-16s that were recently transported disassembled from Poland?

[Roman 056]

"The Tsar has been replaced!"

[Nostradamus]

Since in the air defense system they use T-54, T-55, T-62, BTR-50, BTR-60, S-60 (1950), D-1, D-30, “Acacia” and “Hyacinth” on both sides (1966-1968), Uragan, Smerch, Grad, Msta, Pion, Limonka (110 years old), 82 mm, 120 mm and 240 mm mortars (from 1937 to 1950), 2B9 "Cornflower" (1973), AK and AKM , Maxim, DShK, Stechkina, PPS, Mosina, Tu-95 (1955 to 1992), etc. and so on.
The SU-17 does not stand out from the overall picture of that weapons vinaigrette from old and new weapons of both sides. Everything that is available is used.

[your1970]

Quote: Nostradamus

D-1, D-30, "Acacia" and "Hyacinth" (1966-1968)

- D-1 model 1943.

[Roman 056]

The Mosin rifle is even older.

[anatolv]

They forgot to mention the T-34!

[Roman 056]

Does he drive? Rides. Shooting? Shoots. According to these criteria, it is no worse than the T-90 or Almaty. And anything is better than Leopard. Ah, well, yes. It burns, it burns. Show me an invulnerable tank. What? Merkava, Abrams? Oh well. But for the price of Abrams, you can rivet about 50 thirty-fours.

[isv000]

Quote: anatolv

They forgot to mention the T-34!

In the Donbass in 2014, men pulled a tank off its pedestal, started it up, stuck machine guns in and weeded dill on it...

[Roman Efremov]

Are there any comments missing from these comedians who like to ironize that Konashenkov has already destroyed the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation 3 times? It’s already reached the Su-17, soon the Su-7 and Mig-19 will be brought in from somewhere. Who could have predicted this, who calculated exactly how many aircraft the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have???

[Roman 056]

La - 5, Il - 2, “donkey”, “Messers”, “Fokewulfs”, “Spitfires”, “Aerocobras”. From collectors around the world you can buy flying antiques even before the Japanese loaf. It’s just that the “roasted rooster” doesn’t bite much yet.

[Bolt cutter]

From collectors around the world

Flying copies are slightly cheaper than modern new ones.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Are there any comments missing from these comedians who like to ironize that Konashenkov has already destroyed the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation 3 times? It’s already reached the Su-17, soon the Su-7 and Mig-19 will be brought in from somewhere. Who could have predicted this, who calculated exactly how many aircraft the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have???

So, didn’t Konashenkov deceive anyone?
For the third round?
Don't change the concept.

[Roman Efremov]

Who did Konashenkov deceive - you personally? That is, you know exactly how many aircraft the Ukrainian Armed Forces had, how many were restored and how many were received?

[isv000]

Quote: Roman Efremov

Are there any comments missing from these comedians who like to ironize that Konashenkov has already destroyed the entire Ukrainian Armed Forces aviation 3 times? It’s already reached the Su-17, soon the Su-7 and Mig-19 will be brought in from somewhere. Who could have predicted this, who calculated exactly how many aircraft the Ukrainian Armed Forces would have???

Indeed, since the old man was returned to duty, they have tobacco with airplanes...

[Fitter65]

The day before, a Soviet Su-17 fighter was spotted in the skies of Ukraine.

All his life he was classified as a fighter-bomber.

Presumably, this may be the only Su-17M3 fighter-bomber remaining in Ukraine

Again, MZ is a single-seater, but UM3 is another option. The most interesting thing is that the Su-17UM3, even at KnAAPO, which produced these aircraft, was probably written off 4 years ago, if not earlier. In 2015, I watched its flight over the 6th quarter. So most likely this is a gift from the Poles. The Poles had Su-22M4s in Mirosławiec and Pyla. And the funny thing is that in 1987 I visited these airfields and was the first to see aircraft of this type at the lords. Then, already in the year 1991, Su-22M4 with North Korean insignia landed on our runway in Khurba from KnAAPO... So this is most likely a Polish gift from the Ukrainian Air Force. Czechoslovakian Su-22M4s and Sparks have not been flying for a long time; there was information that they sold them to the Poles. GDR Su-22M4. Germany gave the Poles the same as the MiG-29 for a symbolic 1 euro... There were no storage bases with the Su-17/22 in Ukraine. Also in Ukraine there was no repair facility for repairing aircraft of this type. There was such a plant in Belarus, the city of Baranovichi. By the way, the planes that underwent repairs there were always distinguished by their coloring... So don’t go to your grandmother here, this plane has Polish roots...

[ODERVIT]

Su-17 storage base - Ovruch. I don’t know how the aviation equipment was disposed of, but there was a base.

[Roman 056]

They sold it somewhere in Africa or in Southeast Asia.

[Fitter65]

Quote: ODERVIT

Su-17 storage base - Ovruch. I don’t know how the aviation equipment was disposed of, but there was a base.

There were still ancient Su-17s there...

[ODERVIT]

Absolutely right. Joint airfield.

[acetophenone]

I look at the production volumes... 1200 in 20 years.
5 planes per month. FIVE!!!

[Fitter65]

Quote: acetophenon

I look at the production volumes... 1200 in 20 years.
5 planes per month. FIVE!!!

5 aircraft a month is a delight or... Let's start with the fact that when the Su-17 was launched into production, KnAAPO was also producing the Su-7B at the same time.. In the late 70s and early 80s, the plant began to master the production of the Su-27.. Well, besides this, we take into account the need for these aircraft, do not forget that the MiG-23 BN/BM/MiG-27 were produced at the same time. Therefore, 5 aircraft per month is quite normal...

[Roman 056]

So this is not a “penny” and not a “Volkswagen Beetle”. The sales market is limited, to put it mildly. Where to rivet millions of copies?

[FighterD]

I don’t understand...he should have been decommunized as a legacy of the hated Sovk

[rocket757]

If you remember... some of the old planes made flying bombs...
In any case, when approaching our borders, they must be destroyed.

[Aken]

I had a chance to read that the Americans really wanted Russia to not only remove them from service, but also cut down the Su-17 and MiG-27.
The wishes of Western friends were fulfilled.

[Wayfarer_2]

Where does the author get the idea that the Ukrainians deny that they have few planes? After all, they constantly beg for F-16s, and say that their counterattack is hampered by their lack of aviation. Apparently, he blurted out for the sake of saying something nice.

[andrey martov]

Most likely, the Su 17 took off along with the pedestal and dropped the pedestal at the enemy position (judging by the photo) and landed safely at its airfield. . .

[LeutnantTom]

It is surprising that Ukrainian airfields are still intact.

[Yurka Detochkin]

These airfields began to be built underground, which is why they still fly

[Volunteer Marek]

At the dawn of my foggy youth I had to serve on these beauties (AV). In capable hands, it’s really nothing.

[Yurka Detochkin]

Only in skillful hands is this device as a device, but it seems that the gangster group in Kyiv does not have such skillful hands, the only option is the NATO flight crew, but will they want to die?

[isv000]

Quote: Yurka Detochkin

Only in skillful hands is this device as a device, but it seems that the gangster group in Kyiv does not have such skillful hands, the only option is the NATO flight crew, but will they want to die?

Here, rather, playful hands will do. With the task of taking off, dropping the rocket and trying to land, there is no need for an ace...

[Alexander F]

Well, maybe so, but there is another remedy for such insects, even this takeoff/landing will not help. Everything will fall into an open field from Russian planes

[Nikolaevich I]

Yes...in the 90s, the “ground force fighters” Su-17 and Mig-27 were withdrawn from service with the Russian Air Force and fighter-bombers were eliminated as a “class”! During the Chechen campaigns, the VSR suddenly really needed fighter-bombers ... they decided to return the Su-17 and Mig-27, calling them, at least, “attack aircraft”! But, as one joke says: No, no, no! She died, she died!" In a matter of years of "storage" in post-Soviet Russia, the Su-17 and MiG-27 found themselves in a state that did not allow their restoration! That's how they "ended up" "in the Russian Federation Su-17 and Mig-27!
PS By the way, the Su-34 was created as a fighter-bomber... in reports from the front, it is often called that way even now! In connection with the liquidation of fighter-bombers as a class, the Su-34 was renamed into front-line (tactical) bombers...

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yes...in the 90s, the “ground force fighters” Su-17 and Mig-27 were withdrawn from service with the Russian Air Force and fighter-bombers were eliminated as a “class”! During the Chechen campaigns, the VSR suddenly really needed fighter-bombers ... they decided to return the Su-17 and Mig-27, calling them, at least, “attack aircraft”! But, as one joke says: No, no, no! She died, she died!" In a matter of years of "storage" in post-Soviet Russia, the Su-17 and MiG-27 found themselves in a state that did not allow their restoration! That's how they "ended up" "in the Russian Federation Su-17 and Mig-27!
PS By the way, the Su-34 was created as a fighter-bomber... in reports from the front, it is often called that way even now! In connection with the liquidation of fighter-bombers as a class, the Su-34 was renamed into front-line (tactical) bombers...

In Soviet terminology, there was no term "fighter-bomber". But the term “front-line” was...

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: SovAr238A

In Soviet terminology, there was no term "fighter-bomber".

But what about, for example, the once very famous Su-7? After all, as a rule, it was called a fighter-bomber! The term “fighter-bomber” (IB) was first used in the American Air Force in the forties of the last century; but in the early 50s it also appeared in the USSR Air Force... in the mid-50s the formation of IS aviation regiments officially began! The term "attack aircraft" has been abolished! Since then, the term “fighter-bomber” has firmly taken root in publications on military topics, the topic of military aviation!

[AlexVas44]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

...in the mid-50s, the formation of cybersecurity aviation regiments officially began! The term "attack aircraft" has been abolished! Since then, the term “fighter-bomber” has firmly taken root in publications on military topics, the topic of military aviation!

Absolutely right, since 1957 regiments and divisions of IBAP (IBAD) were created, later, in 1976, renamed into the more euphonious APIB (ADIB).

[Grits]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

This is how the Su-17 and Mig-27 “ended up” in the Russian Federation

What kind of plane is this Mig-27? Maybe they confused it with the Mig-23?

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Gritsa

What kind of plane is this Mig-27? Maybe they confused it with the Mig-23?

In fact, the MiG-27 is a shock modification of the MiG-23, designed for work on the ground.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Gritsa

What kind of plane is this Mig-27? Maybe they confused it with the Mig-23?

Well, how can I say...the MiG-23B and BN fighter-bombers were the predecessors of the MiG-27! Further development of the MiG-23 B, BN led to the appearance of the MiG-27! (Sometimes the MiG-23 B, BN aircraft are called the first generation of the MiG-27...)

[TermNachTer]

The latest MiGs - 27, from the Indians, were only recently withdrawn from service. So it was a good airplane.

[Valery Valerievich_2]

I can suggest wings from ICARA.

[Roman 056]

You can make gliders out of plywood, like in WWII. Quite a “plane” with a one-way ticket. It doesn't take long to train a glider pilot. Take-off, approach to the target and... that's it. Both for him and for the “letak”. By the way, plywood is almost invisible to radar. They didn't make such radars. So it's a profit.

[isv000]

Quote: Valery Valerievich_2

I can suggest wings from ICARA.

And I love it!

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Another “news” for hype?
Here's from Wikipedia.

Ukraine - 30 Su-17, as of 1992. Removed from service in the 1990s. As of 2013, one Su-17UM3 (s/n 77, s/n 62918) continues to be used to maintain the flight skills of pilots of the Zaporozhye ARZ

[handwriting]

Or maybe they are preparing an attack drone?

[Roman 056]

Well, 404 doesn’t have enough of them, why reinvent the wheel? I think that 404 “pressures for pity.” They say we are so unfortunate, the planes are ancient buckets, almost twice as old as the pilots, for Christ's sake, at least the F-16 flight.

[isv000]

Quote: Handwriting

Or maybe they are preparing an attack drone?

The target is too big. The missile carrier is being tinkered with...

[Joker62]

Su-17 (NATO: Fitter - assembler) is a Soviet fighter-bomber with a variable-sweep wing, mass-produced from 1969 to 1990.

What nonsense??? This car was discontinued in 1978! Other cars took their place. After the termination, only modernization began, but not the release of new cars!

[Mint Gingerbread]

Weld a Maxim machine gun onto each wing, and attach a V-2 to the belly.

[ZovSailor]

I have to say
Katz offers to surrender, the Yankees promised to drive from the Mediterranean
AUG group below deck for SU-17; We agreed with the Sultan on the straits.
The Russian Federation will have to prepare the meeting with Zircons, Onyxes, etc. gifts.

[Yurka Detochkin]

The point here is not the plane, but who will fly it, the Kyiv gangster group does not have normal experienced pilots, all of them are no longer there. From the beginning of the Northern Military District, all experienced ones were beaten in Mariupol, and then in the steppes of Donbass.

[Escariot]

Quote: Yurka Detochkin

The point here is not the plane, but who will fly it, the Kyiv gangster group does not have normal experienced pilots, all of them are no longer there. From the beginning of the Northern Military District, all experienced ones were beaten in Mariupol, and then in the steppes of Donbass.

There are no experienced ones, but no one forbids training new pilots.

[Alexander F]

This is how they trained their infantry and landing forces, tank crews, and marines. And what? Did it help? All our Russian shells and missiles were destroyed by evil spirits. These tutorials won't help

[Deon59]

There are no experienced pilots, but several Su 24s carry out cruise missile attacks. They forgot how the Mi 24 worked in Belgorod

[Deon59]

There are no experienced pilots, but several Su 24s carry out cruise missile attacks. They forgot how the Mi 24 worked in Belgorod

[Pavel Rost]

We learned to value and not waste thoughtlessly what we ourselves do not produce.

[Fedor Rashkin]

A year ago, on one of the Ukrainian channels they wrote that Russia began to take out the Su-17 almost from museums
And everyone there enthusiastically commented that it would soon be peremogha.
But everything turned out as usual, on the contrary

[Nikolai Redko]

Our Su-17s were “stored” in Chebenki, Orenburg region. There were about 100 cars there. "Kept" is a very strong word for what was there. An area was fenced along the concrete parking area for aircraft on the ground, and the sides were pulled there from everywhere. They stood there for a while, then they “chopped the oak trees for coffins” - all that was left was a fenced area and about 20 Su-24s, also “in storage”, rotting into secondary color metal

[bandabas]

Question from where the pilots were dug up. It’s not like a blonde would automatically shy away.

[Escariot]

Quote: bandabas

Question from where the pilots were dug up. It’s not like a blonde would automatically shy away.

What's the problem with teaching? Let's go to Poland and study for health. It is quite possible to find a couple of thousand candidates per country.

[isv000]

Quote: bandabas

Question from where the pilots were dug up. It’s not like a blonde would automatically shy away.

In a year and a half, a serf can be prepared for takeoff/landing...

[osp]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Yes...in the 90s, the “ground force fighters” Su-17 and Mig-27 were withdrawn from service with the Russian Air Force and fighter-bombers were eliminated as a “class”! During the Chechen campaigns, the VSR suddenly really needed fighter-bombers ... they decided to return the Su-17 and Mig-27, calling them, at least, “attack aircraft”! But, as one joke says: No, no, no! She died, she died!" In a matter of years of "storage" in post-Soviet Russia, the Su-17 and MiG-27 found themselves in a state that did not allow their restoration! That's how they "ended up" "in the Russian Federation Su-17 and Mig-27!
PS By the way, the Su-34 was created as a fighter-bomber... in reports from the front, it is often called that way even now! In connection with the liquidation of fighter-bombers as a class, the Su-34 was renamed into front-line (tactical) bombers...

Russia today does not have light fighters such as the MiG-35 or MiG-29 of some kind of M2 modification in its arsenal.
Not at all! Light front-line fighter. And even more so in mass quantities, at least hundreds or two.
IBAs are mainly single-engine aircraft.
There are none either, although the latest versions of the MiG-27 and Su-17M4 were quite tolerable machines of their time.

And aircraft such as the Su-24 and Su-34 are front-line bombers operating only over enemy territory where air defenses have been cleared and there is no threat to its fighter aircraft.
Their cover should again be provided by light front-line fighters.

[Nikolai Redko]

Definitely a Polish board! Now this side will be shot down 18 times - according to the number available in Poland, and all will be with side 64, which is listed at the factory!

[osp]

From the Soviet remnants in Ukraine itself, a lot of interesting things can be found if they were not sold abroad under Kuchma and Yushchenko.
Even the engines for the Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 were lying on their cut sides.
And these Su-17, MiG-25 and others were in storage at ARZ and somewhere else.
But most of them have long been cut or dismantled.

[Codett]

Well, the Koreans supplied the Poles with planes, but they stole them, it seems.

[bone1]

Why not a MiG-15 or something older?

[nordscout]

It seems that the “looker over Ukraine” realized that giving F-16s to Ukrainians was useless - everything would “go down the toilet,” but he decided to keep his word and began collecting aviation rarities around the world. The SU-17 is just what else you can collect around the world: Poland, Algeria, Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan...... Our Aerospace Forces will be in complete trouble if the Ukroreich Air Force begins to "arrive" I-16, TU-2, LAGG-3.....

[Danya Danilov]

old man where is all the other equipment

[Taoist]

By the way, it’s not a bad car, especially if the avionics are slightly modernized. If used with UABs it can be very unpleasant. Reliable, unpretentious, with a large combat load. Sharpened for impact from ultra-low altitudes at supersonic speed. And most importantly, it is simple and cheap to operate (unlike the same F 16 - it can even work from the ground).

[osp]

The modification of the Su-17M4 was quite serious in terms of avionics.
It was significantly superior to the conventional Su-25.
And these were practically new planes with a minimum of flying time, which was stupidly cut down in the 90s.

[Pavel57]

Expected. The question is what missiles it can carry. Storm or Harm?

[Tim666]

Quote: isv000

Quote: Mavrikiy

Quote: sifgame

How long will it survive as a bomb carrier over the positions of the Russian Armed Forces?

Rather, they will modernize Western hotels into a missile carrier. And then how our air defense will reach it 200-300 km away.

If he reaches out and grounds him, his hand has been filled. "Storm" flies up to 300 km, so you need to fly up to at least a hundred kilometers from the LBS and then our S-350, S-400 will work - the goal is bold! The main thing is to be in time before the missile launch, so as to counter two targets at once...

Is the curvature of the earth in Ukraine less than in Syria?

[Tim666]

Quote from nordscout

It seems that the “looker over Ukraine” realized that giving F-16s to Ukrainians was useless - everything would “go down the toilet,” but he decided to keep his word and began collecting aviation rarities around the world. The SU-17 is just what else you can collect around the world: Poland, Algeria, Vietnam, Cuba, Afghanistan...... Our Aerospace Forces will be in complete trouble if the Ukroreich Air Force begins to "arrive" I-16, TU-2, LAGG-3.....

Inappropriate sarcasm from a person far from aviation, the Su-17-22 is a wonderful machine, the performance characteristics are still decent today, if you use it as a carrier of missiles and UABs, then it’s not better. You can quickly send gifts and go supersonic, and the plane is well designed for low-altitude flights. In general, in order to launch UPABs or scalps whose coordinates are driven in at the airfield, you don’t need an expensive SU-34; an ancient Su-7b would do.

[Tim666]

Quote: Nikolay Redko

Definitely a Polish board! Now this side will be shot down 18 times - according to the number available in Poland, and all will be with side 64, which is listed at the factory!

It’s too little, they’ll get at least a hundred, and the bastards will explain what they’ve collected all over the world, although not one of them answered where you can get SU-24, but actually these are little things, the main thing is to believe...

[anclevalico]

Yes, even IL-2. It can make a lot of noise downstairs, if not overwhelm it.

[decimalegio]

I don't want to sound ancient, but I don't understand why the plans of the past seem more beautiful and more individual to me. And this Su-17 only confirms my ideas.

[Petr_Koldunov]

In Le Bourget, in the A&K Museum - somewhere there was a Farman and a Fokker triplane... maybe the French will deliver them to their friends from the Ukrainian Reich? As an unbreakable support...

[Dimm588]

It's something we just don't understand. It turns out to be so effective.

I think Ukraine should still acquire muskets from the 17th century, with them we can return the one-legged Ukrainians to duty, let them lean on a cane and hobble along somehow.